Partisan split on global warming science

CORRECTION Arctic MeltNearly two-thirds of Americans want the federal government to regulate the release of greenhouse gases from sources such as power plants, cars and factories, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. But when it comes to the science behind global warming, those surveyed split sharply along partisan lines. Only 20 percent of Republicans think most scientists agree that global warming in happening, compared with 55 percent of Democrats. And 58 percent of Republican put little or no faith in what scientists say about the environment, while only 23 percent of Democrats have such doubts.

141 Comments

  1. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    If you look closely, you can see where the brushed out the image of the polar bears which were sitting on the iceberg.

    Most of the world failed to agree to do anything about global warming at their little meet up.

    I suppose they are all republicans.

  2. Regular
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Damn Repubs at Copenhagen ruined everything! :D

  3. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    “ruined everything! :D”

    It’s Bush’s fault.

  4. Heru_Ra_Ha
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    How about “Damn Repubs at the US Senate” for holding Copenhagen hostage. They’re the ones that need to ratify any treaty, not the POTUS! Obama was not willing to make promises that he’d have hard time to fulfill due to other people’s obstructionistic partisanship.

  5. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    Everytime Obama opens his fat mouth in Europe we loose. Remember the Chicago Olympic bid?

  6. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Why those pesky republicans have gotten India to lie for them!

    “India’s government, under fire from opposition parties for its handling of climate negotiations in Copenhagen, says the White House is spinning the outcome for a domestic audience.

    Critics have pounced on comments by David Axelrod, President Obama’s political advisor, who said the U.S. will “review” what India is doing to limit emissions and “challenge” New Delhi if necessary.

    The remarks relate to how the international community will verify efforts by countries like India and China, which are major emitters of carbon dioxide and other “greenhouse gases” blamed for climate change, to reduce those emissions.

    The opposition leader in India’s upper house of parliament, Arun Jaitley, voiced concern about a provision for reporting climate change-mitigating efforts, saying he felt that this would bind India, to its detriment.

    Axelrod’s statements, made on CNN’s State of the Union program on Sunday and intended to highlight Obama’s “leadership” at the U.N. conference in the Danish capital, fueled suspicions that Indian negotiators had surrendered the country’s interests.

    Hitting back in parliament on Tuesday, environment minister Jairam Ramesh denied that any agreement reached in Copenhagen would affect India’s sovereignty, dismissing Axelrod’s remarks as those having been made by “the spin doctor of [the] Obama administration.”

  7. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    ““Damn Repubs at the US Senate” for holding Copenhagen hostage”

    That’s the spirit Heru_Ra_Ha! Damn those 40 Republican Senators for holding up the 58 democrats and their two lackey independents who together make a super majority of 60

    Damn that minority!

    (Thanks for the laugh during this festive time!)

  8. AW
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    You are all so right. OWEbama should have signed up to everything, based upon a theory that has no data to prove it. We need to commit hundreds of billions$ to corrupt third world governments so they can build bigger palaces and strengthen their dictatorships. CLIMATE OF CORRUPTION!!!

  9. SolDevVB
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    cosmo,

    Outstanding. You can understand that code comments are not executable code. Very good. How is it that you can understand that, but you can not define “ARTIFICIAL”?

    cosmo, can you tell us what the code comments are used for and maybe try a little harder to define “ARTIFICIAL”?

    Being as this dataset from the CRU is used by most alarmists, the onus is on the CRU, and alarmists like you, to explain why “VERY ARTIFICIAL” corrections are made to source data.

  10. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    “tell us what the code comments are used for and maybe try a little harder to define “ARTIFICIAL”?”

    To document the code, process, or provide explanation thereof.

    (I’m just a dumb funk!)

  11. ProudMan
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    I don’t know if I would have titled this thread “Partisan split…”. Looks like while the ground-floor members of the parties have different rates of ‘belief’ in climate change there is no clear majority that thinks the science truly backs up the alarmist claims.

    I think the 2/3rds folks who want the government to regulate CO2 are more interested in clean air than in climate change.

  12. ProudMan
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Heru_Ra_Ha Wrote:

    How about “Damn Repubs at the US Senate” for holding Copenhagen hostage. They’re the ones that need to ratify any treaty, not the POTUS! Obama was not willing to make promises that he’d have hard time to fulfill due to other people’s obstructionistic partisanship.

    Actually, in practice the Executive Branch can enact just about anything they want. As long as there is no law against it (Legislative Branch) or court ruling otherwise (Judicial Branch). I vaguely recall stories of the Clinton Administration enacting some environmental policies that were in an un-ratified treaty. These actions were small potatoes compared to Kyoto or the wishes of environmentalists/communists, but the policies were still put into practice.

  13. donndublin
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Arctic Sea Ice Decline In Past Far Exceeded Modern Sea Ice Retreat (Multiple Times), Peer-Research Discovers

    http://co2science.org/articles/V12/N32/C2.php

  14. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:40 am | Permalink
    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:54 am | Permalink
    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:55 am | Permalink
    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:04 am | Permalink
    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:19 am | Permalink
    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    The blog crybaby is in rare form today.

  15. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    So…..

    Are we still in a crisis that ONLY the almighty dollar of the American Tax Payer can solve?

  16. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:16 am | Permalink
    So…..

    Are we still in a crisis that ONLY the almighty dollar of the American Tax Payer can solve?

    So how much have your taxes gone up since Obama took office?

  17. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    JChen,

    So is your restaurant open on Christmas Day?

    If so, I’ll have the Flied Lice.

  18. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    AGW killed 79 people in Poland recently.

    They froze to death.

  19. JimJohnson
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Thanks again Phil, for starting a Daily Global Warming Topic as I suggested yesterday.

    It’s a very effective approach to keep Cosmos in a corner where he won’t bother anyone who cares about topics other then Global Warming.

    Now for today’s Global Warming Topic, you were supposed to post something along these lines:

    Say Phil,

    A suggestion for tomorrow’s Daily Global Warming Topic:

    Alternative Energy – Is any form of power generation acceptable to Global Warming Environmentalist Radicals? Pelosi Pishes Against Wind Of Solar Power.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/12/copenhagen-results-are-unimpressive/#comment-707129

    Read more: http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/12/copenhagen-results-are-unimpressive/#comments#ixzz0aWRin0dy

  20. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    PARIS (AFP) – Man’s best friend could be one of the environment’s worst enemies, according to a new study which says the carbon pawprint of a pet dog is more than double that of a gas-guzzling sports utility vehicle.
    =============================

    And you wonder why people don’t take you people seriously.

  21. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    “58 percent of Republican put little or no faith in what scientists say about the environment.”

    That’s right around the same percentage of cons who believe in 6 literal days to create the Earth and that an old man named Noah built a big boat. Republicans don’t LIKE science. It conflicts with their fairy tales and distracts from the bottom line.

  22. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    BlueJay,

    Shoot your dog and save the environment.

    It’s science.

  23. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Shoot yourself and spare the taxpayers supporting you.

  24. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    WTF kind of topic is this? Avoiding some of the obvious today are we?

    Partisan split on (Fill in the blank).

  25. Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Hmmmm seems that Mrs. Feinstein doesnt want industrialization of an area that is a Monument Area in California. Hey, I know, Johnson… let’s go build wind farms, and solar power factories at Arlington National Cemetery…. ya think??

  26. donndublin
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    It’s just a matter of time before the AGW crowd switches back to AW cooling.

    http://www.iceagenow.com/2009_Other_Parts_of_the_World.htm

  27. outlander
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    I think that we need an advice column about AGW.

    Dear Cosmos: I am really trying to be a good progressive and eliminate meat from my diet. So I eat a lot of beans. But you know what happens when you eat a lot of the “musical fruit”. Yes, windies! But my windies are just full of methane and I am terribly concerned about the effect on the environment. Should I give up beans, or shoot my dog to make my bean eating more carbon neutral?

    Thanks,

    Concerned Citizen of the World.

  28. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:23 am | Permalink
    JChen,

    So is your restaurant open on Christmas Day?

    If so, I’ll have the Flied Lice.

    You sir, are a racist pig.

  29. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    You sir, are a racist pig.
    ================================

    No.

    I have been watching “A Christmas Story”.

  30. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    If so, I’ll have the Flied Lice.
    —————————————————-

    LOL.

  31. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:01 am | Permalink
    If so, I’ll have the Flied Lice.
    —————————————————-

    LOL.

    So am I to understand that all conservatives on this blog are racists?
    Having a black president must really tear you up. A black man is your president.
    A black man is your CIC.
    A black man runs your country.

  32. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Bunch of mindless skin-heads.

  33. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    rac·ism
    1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
    2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
    —————————————————-
    What about recognizing a humorous mispronounciation fits that definition?
    Are all liberal regressives on this board as thin skinned as you Mr. Chen?

  34. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    soldevvb,

    The tree ring proxy divergence issue has been openly discussed in the climate field for about a decade.

    You’ve insisted that the output from one specific program is invalid — the “onus” is on you to prove your claim.

    You need to explain why the correction values are incorrect.

    You should also provide the correct values, and explain why those values are correct.

  35. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:42 am | Permalink
    Shoot yourself and spare the taxpayers supporting you.

    If you would do the same it would save us taxpatyers from supporting you and hearing you whine gimme and I want mutliple times a day,seriously though God bless you and your family at this time of year and hope 2010 is full of blessings for you and yours

  36. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    “JChen”

    Another sockpuppet for a liberal coward NIC on the weblog.

    Business as usual.

    Bbbb-Bawk!!!

  37. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:26 am | Permalink
    “JChen”

    Another sockpuppet for a liberal coward NIC on the weblog.

    Business as usual.

    Bbbb-Bawk!!!

    Are you referring to the one who always backs out of meet ups?

  38. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Regular posted December 23, 2009 at 6:48 am

    Damn Repubs at Copenhagen ruined everything! :D
    ———————————-

    The AGW science deniers top Republican, Sen. Inhofe (Ridiculous – Oil), had trouble finding anyone who would listen to to his irrational rantings.

    After only about 2 hours in Copenhagen, he took a 9 hour flight back to the U.S..

    Inhofe a world hit — not
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/18/2156671.aspx
    “National Journal . . . In fact, the only real opposition voice Inhofe heard here might have been a reporter from Der Spiegel who told Inhofe at one point, ‘That’s ridiculous. You’re ridiculous.‘ ”

  39. American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    “Are you referring to the one who always backs out of meet ups?”

    Could be. But could just as easily be one of those old lib posters who have left the blog with their tails between their legs.

    Maybe one of those now posting heavenly lovey dovey sweet posts on their new blog?

    They sneak back here from time-to-time to relieve themselves and play their alter-ego’s. (can’t have their fellow liberals knowing they are really not above the rest of us humans.)

  40. SolDevVB
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    You need to explain why the correction values are incorrect.

    So it is a truuuuuuust me thing. How very scientific. They have no burden of proof, but those that find “VERY ARTIFICIAL correction” troubling have the burden.

    Pretty solid science. And you wonder why your faith is collapsing.

  41. Rage
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    There are no doubt anti-science Democrats (money talk$), but the confluence of industry control and anti-government ideology has produced an Republican party more anti-science than any I’ve seen in history, and the timing is, quite frankly, scary.

    Scientists: Bush Distorts Science
    Kristen Philipkoski Email 02.18.04

    The Bush administration has distorted scientific fact leading to policy decisions on the environment, health, biomedical research and nuclear weaponry, a group of about 60 scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, said in a statement on Wednesday.

    http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2004/02/62339

    The Republican War on Science
    By Chris Mooney

    http://www.waronscience.com/home.php

  42. GMC70
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Hmmmm seems that Mrs. Feinstein doesnt want industrialization of an area that is a Monument Area in California. Hey, I know, Johnson… let’s go build wind farms, and solar power factories at Arlington National Cemetery…. ya think?? - Chas
    ——

    I posted on this yesterday. Frankly, I’ll believe it’s a crisis when those who are telling us it’s a crisis ACT like it’s a crisis.

  43. Rage
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    AGW killed 79 people in Poland recently.

    They froze to death.

    Really? You know, I haven’t seen the details, but anyone who hasn’t been blissfully ignorant the past 20 years knows the theory predicted stronger, erratic weather patterns–including in the weather.

    Whether is was AGW or simply the fact that Poland gets cold in winter remains to be seen.

  44. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    soldevvb,

    Why should I “truuuuuuust” you, when you make an empty claim that one specific program produces invalid output?

    You made the claim, so show us your proof — and a comment in the code is not proof.

  45. Rage
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I posted on this yesterday. Frankly, I’ll believe it’s a crisis when those who are telling us it’s a crisis ACT like it’s a crisis.

    That would be now–actually several years back.

    Getting non-scientist politicians to take serious action, on the other hand, is a taller order, particular when looks at th strong monetary pushback (by comparison, taking on the tobacco industry was easy).

    Tragically, even for those who talk “green” when it’s politically convenient, it may take a horribly unexpected Katrina-like event to really focus their attention on the consequences of doing nothing.

  46. Rage
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    “including in the winter”

  47. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    ““Are you referring to the one who always backs out of meet ups?”

    Ya mean Bawksalot boxlock20?

  48. JimJohnson
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 8:48 am | Permalink
    Hmmmm seems that Mrs. Feinstein doesnt want industrialization of an area that is a Monument Area in California. Hey, I know, Johnson… let’s go build wind farms, and solar power factories at Arlington National Cemetery…. ya think??
    —————————-

    The PPP doesn’t know the difference between the Mojave Desert, where the Solar Energy plant was proposed to be built, and a Cemetary.

  49. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink
    “Are you referring to the one who always backs out of meet ups?”

    Could be. But could just as easily be one of those old lib posters who have left the blog with their tails between their legs.

    Dear racist conservatives,
    I used to post on this blog as JChen. I left because I was tired of dealing with a bunch of cretins. Looks like not much has changed.

    Looks like you conservatives are more worried about NICs that a certian lib poster.

    So which of you “good ole boys” wants to be the first to pull the corners of your eyes back to look Chinese?
    We of Asian persuasion love that….

  50. donndublin
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    John Lefebvre, the top financial benefactor of the DeSmog Blog, is facing substantial prison time after pleading guilty to federal money-laundering charges.

    The DeSmog Blog is operated by a small group of public relations people who specialize in attempting to discredit respected scientists and policy analysts who disagree with alarmist global warming theory.

    Ironically, DeSmog Blog’s favorite tactic is to claim scientists and policy analysts who disagree with alarmist global warming theory are funded by “dirty money.”

    The revelation of the blog’s major source of funding as a convicted money launderer may undermine DeSmog’s attempts to smear the integrity of respected, law-abiding scientists who disagree with them.

    Apparently unashamed by their criminal connections, the DeSmog Blog Web site proclaims, “The DeSmogBlog team is especially grateful to our benefactor John Lefebvre. … John has been outspoken, uncompromising, and courageous in challenging those who would muddy the climate change debate, and he has enabled and inspired the same standard on the blog.”

    Lefebvre, who pleaded guilty in June 2007, faces up to 20 years in a federal penitentiary.

    http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/22611/Blog_Funder_Guilty_of_MoneyLaundering.html
    ————–

    Could this be MO?

    The Climategate conpirators will soon join him in the pokey.

  51. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Having a black president must really tear you up. A black man is your president.
    ============================================

    Nah, not really.

    It does however, ‘tear me up’ that he is a ‘Howdy Doody’ President for the Progressive further destruction of a once great nation.

    The fact that he is 1/2 Black doesn’t bother me in the least. That’s just a token for the Left.

  52. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    JChen is Blue Jay

  53. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    So which of you “good ole boys” wants to be the first to pull the corners of your eyes back to look Chinese?
    We of Asian persuasion love that….
    —————————————————-
    I for one prefer the buck teeth and coke-bottle glasses.

    http://www.who-sucks.com/wp-content/uploads/icons//2007/07/jap1.jpg

  54. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Eating feral cats is good for the environment and it’s the responsible thing to do, just ask JChen.

  55. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    GMC70 posted December 23, 2009 at 10:05 am

    Hmmmm seems that Mrs. Feinstein doesnt want industrialization of an area that is a Monument Area in California. Hey, I know, Johnson… let’s go build wind farms, and solar power factories at Arlington National Cemetery…. ya think?? – Chas
    ——

    I posted on this yesterday. Frankly, I’ll believe it’s a crisis when those who are telling us it’s a crisis ACT like it’s a crisis.
    ———————————

    It’s the climate scientists who have been telling us that it’s a crisis, but they do not have the power to “ACT”.

  56. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    It’s the climate scientists who have been telling us that it’s a crisis, but they do not have the power to “ACT”.
    ===============================

    I dunno, Algore has been blathering around like a wet hen, all the while flying around spewing tons of carbon.

    But it’s us that need to change….

  57. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    donndublin cannot defend the indefensible 2007 paper by Douglass, et al, so donndublin instead attacks the “messengers”.

    ‘David H. Douglass, John R. Christy, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer‘
    http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=David_H._Douglass%2C_John_R._Christy%2C_Benjamin_D._Pearson%2C_S._Fred_Singer

  58. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    “Nearly two-thirds of Americans want the federal government to regulate the release of greenhouse gases from sources such as power plants, cars and factories,”

    These numbers will only increase. This is doom for the Republicans who have contempt for the environment as one of the key planks of their party.

  59. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    donndublin cannot defend the indefensible 2007 paper by Douglass, et al, so donndublin instead attacks the “messengers”.

    Singer’s Deniers Misrepresenting New Climatology Journal Article
    http://www.desmogblog.com/singers-deniers-misrepresenting-new-climatology-journal-article

  60. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    These numbers will only increase. This is doom for the Republicans who have contempt for the environment as one of the key planks of their party.
    ================================

    No.

    This is doom for the few American Industries that haven’t fled to third world countries.

    Good by American Manufacturing. (What little is left)

  61. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Good bye American Manufacturing. (What little is left)

  62. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    “Good by American Manufacturing.”

    What American manufacturing?

  63. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    ANTI,

    Please try to pay attention. Al Gore has been repeating what the climate scientists have been saying.
    And Al Gore is not a politician, so he cannot “ACT” by enacting policies.

  64. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Respect for the planet or coddle the few who have not already let greed make them betray their country?

    I vote the planet. All opposed? The ayes have it.

  65. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:44 am | Permalink
    “Good by American Manufacturing.”

    What American manufacturing?

    ====================================

    Ha!

    If you think really hard, you will get it.

  66. donndublin
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Mo cannot defend the indefensible attack blogs desmog and realclimate.

  67. sursum
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    One of the Brit papers says that China and India have plans to build 850 coal fired generators in the next decade which will emit more pollutants than the optimim/maximum/can’t-be-achieved goals for reduction of emissions in all of North America…and we’re the bad guys! Funny no one talks about the huge number of cars entering the Chinese and Indian roads either, for the Chinese are the largest buyer of cars and have been for the last 2 years.

  68. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    “You better leave us alone to pollute your air and water! If you don’t, we will leave!”

    Younger eyes and newer logic are looking at this now. Can’t do your thing in an environmentally friendly way?

    Bye. No loss.

  69. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    sursum
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink
    One of the Brit papers says that China and India have plans to build 850 coal fired generators in the next decade which will emit more pollutants than the optimim/maximum/can’t-be-achieved goals for reduction of emissions in all of North America…and we’re the bad guys! Funny no one talks about the huge number of cars entering the Chinese and Indian roads either, for the Chinese are the largest buyer of cars and have been for the last 2 years.

    ====================================

    Excellent post.

  70. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    The self importance of some here is so laughable that it verges on the ridiculous

  71. donndublin
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink
    ANTI,

    Please try to pay attention. Al Gore has been repeating what the climate scientists have been saying.
    And Al Gore is not a politician, so he cannot “ACT” by enacting policies.
    ————–

    MO,

    Did the “climate scientists” tell Algore that the center of the earth is millions of degrees?

    Did the “climate scientists” tell Algore that the
    Climategate eamils were all written 10 years ago?

    Did the “climate scientists” tell Algore that over 50% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is caused by man?

    Did the “climate scientists” tell Algore the numerous other lies he has told?

    http://www.noteviljustwrong.com/blog/general/218-the-nine-lies-of-al-gore

  72. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    The people that are going to single handedly save the planet and can’t provide for themselves,without depending on othere are at the same time funny and pathetic

  73. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    I don’t like climate laws so I’ll ignore them

  74. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    “I don’t like climate laws so I’ll ignore them.”

    You may feel free to despoil your sister’s basement. That’s the limit of your personal capacity to inflict environmental damage beyond being a champion of it.

  75. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 23, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Mo cannot defend the indefensible attack blogs desmog and realclimate.
    ————————

    I already have, by pointing out that they’re accurate re Douglass et al, and Singer.

  76. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    whatever you say BlueChen

  77. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    just cranked my thermostat to a balmy 78 in my apt because I can and I can afford it

  78. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    I hope his chair isn’t made of vinyl! Otherwise when he FINALLY peels himself off it, we’ll ALL hear.

    Ugh.

  79. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink
    JChen is Blue Jay

    Then you would be wrong, BirdPerson.

  80. donndublin
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Build-A-Bear responds to global warming scare, removes videos from site

    Under the guise of a children’s game on its website, it was revealed yesterday that Build-A-Bear Workshop was pushing the manmade climate change theory to children. The videos portrayed the dire scenario of the North Pole melting and Christmas potentially having to be canceled all due to the evils of global warming. Apparently the company has begun to feel the heat themselves as they have responded publicly and removed the videos from their site.
    ___________________

    Warmers can’t convince adults so they try to scare the kids. Instead of sending letters to Santa, watch the kids send snow that’s fallen over half the country.

  81. BlueJay
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    If he cranks the humidifier too, his OWN ecosystem will experience a Cambrian explosion.

  82. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    prove it to me JChen until then you and BJ are one in the same

  83. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink
    Eating feral cats is good for the environment and it’s the responsible thing to do, just ask JChen.

    Silly little man, have you ever tried cat? It’s very tasty and lean to boot.

    Don’t worry Anti. Considering the way your economy is going, You may get to try cat meat before long.

    Hint: Rat isn’t half bad if you can get a nice big one. Try to stay away from the city rats.

  84. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink
    prove it to me JChen until then you and BJ are one in the same

    Let’s make it interesting, round-eye.

    A little wager?
    Or how about we make it a BIG wager. Several zeros?
    Put up or shut up.

  85. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Hint: Rat isn’t half bad if you can get a nice big one. Try to stay away from the city rats.
    ==========================

    Thanks for the tip.

    Now here is one for you, coon and squirrel is mighty good eatin’.

  86. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    how bout a breakfast meeting me you and blue jay, slope? I’ll buy

  87. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Ooops, I forgot to add:

    Yell “Yee Haw”, before you dust one, it scares the gamy flavor out of ‘em.

  88. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    BirdPerson,
    Would you know BlueJay if you met him?

  89. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    or do you prefer dink?

  90. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Well If there were 2 of you then it would be asssumed that one of you were the little bird,but of course he has refused on several occasions to meet for a free breakfast.

  91. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink
    how bout a breakfast meeting me you and blue jay, slope? I’ll buy

    Are you sure you can get BlueJay to attend? I think he don’t like you much.

  92. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    BlueJay looks like a 14 year old boy with a crappy ball cap and long hair.

    You’ll recognise him.

  93. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Probably not,it would upset his theory that everyone but him is the same poster. but the invite is open to you

  94. Rage
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    . . . and the pointless silliness continues.

    In actuality, there are only two (2) participants in the WEBlog comments.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-418/#comment-333487

  95. AW
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    “Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:10 am | Permalink
    just cranked my thermostat to a balmy 78 in my apt because I can and I can afford it”

    Freebird, if you can afford it then we we need to redistribute your wealth and give it to the entitled. There are a lot of people out there who don’t have time or ambition to work for a living. You need to ‘give them the wealth’. You work for a living so you can’t be one of the entitled crowd. Enjoy it while you’ve got it because the government we elected is going to take it away.

  96. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink
    or do you prefer dink?

    Oh come now, can’t we get directly to “go_ok”? That’s the term you really want to use, isn’t it?

  97. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    JChen,

    You do the Math….

    You’re probably better at it..

    ;)

  98. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink
    BlueJay looks like a 14 year old boy with a crappy ball cap and long hair.

    You’ll recognise him.

    And what does JChen look like?

  99. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    donndublin posted December 23, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Warmers can’t convince adults so they try to scare the kids.
    ——————–

    AGW science deniers like donndublin cannot understand even the simplest basic climate science — and they don’t care about the kids future on Earth.

  100. Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Yeah,JC but I’m trying to be just a tad more politically correct

  101. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    And what does JChen look like?
    ===================================

    A Wop, Cracker, Day-go, Kr@ut, Dune Coon?

    I dunno, and I don’t care.

    We are all people with funny names.

  102. SolDevVB
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Why should I “truuuuuuust” you, when you make an empty claim that one specific program produces invalid output?

    Do you know what VERY ARTIFICIAL means cosmo? Even a 12 year old girl should understand that. What does it mean cosmo?

    You made the claim, so show us your proof — and a comment in the code is not proof.

    Uhm, no, little girl, the CRU made the claim that this was a valid VERY ARTIFICIAL correction. The CRU is the one passing this off as valid data. Lets see the proof that this ARTIFICIAL CORRECTION is accurate and peer reviewed.

    Are you really this stupid cosmo? This blind?

  103. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink
    JChen,

    You do the Math….

    You’re probably better at it..

    ;)

    Ah, a healthy sense of humor. I like this guy.

  104. Daniel
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    JChen,

    Whatever you do, don’t try to steal Freebird1971’s prized Gran Torino.

    I have a feeling you two are going to end up the best of friends IRL.

  105. Daniel
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the tip.

    Now here is one for you, coon and squirrel is mighty good eatin’.
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Plus, there’s the off-chance that an errant shot may precipitate events which culminate in your relocation to Beverly Hills.

  106. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Daniel
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
    JChen,

    Whatever you do, don’t try to steal Freebird1971’s prized Gran Torino.

    I have a feeling you two are going to end up the best of friends IRL.

    Hahaha, Daniel, I saw that movie. I doubt if BirdPerson that tough.

  107. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Don’t you mean “Bird pursawn that trough”?

  108. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Freebird1971
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink
    Yeah,JC but I’m trying to be just a tad more politically correct

    Ok BirdPerson, let’s make this interesting, say a wager. I have $1,000 that says I’m not BlueJay.

    PSSSSST! BlueJay, would you like to split the winnings, say 50/50?

  109. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    soldevvb posted December 23, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Uhm, no, little girl, the CRU made the claim that this was a valid VERY ARTIFICIAL correction. The CRU is the one passing this off as valid data. Lets see the proof that this ARTIFICIAL CORRECTION is accurate and peer reviewed.
    ————————–

    Where did CRU make that claim, for that specific code and correction? You said they did, so prove it.

    Prove that specific code was used for peer-reviewed purposes, and not for something else, like a test run or an informal presentation graph.

  110. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
    Don’t you mean “Bird pursawn that trough”?

    My, my, some of you get more racist by the moment.
    N-word next?

  111. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    sprit da rinnings?

  112. Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:36 pm | Permalink
    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
    Don’t you mean “Bird pursawn that trough”?

    My, my, some of you get more racist by the moment.
    N-word next?

    ————————————————–
    Some word say impersonating a person of color is racist.
    I recall Ted Danson getting a lot of flack from the from regressives…..while dating Whopee Goldberg…ya you regressives are GENIUSES.

  113. donndublin
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Climate science “deniers” like Mo who supports fraudulent scientists that deny the “peer review” process to scientists that don’t support the pre conceived hypothesis of AWG are the real “deniers”.

    MO has no scientific credentials so he resorts to name calling.

  114. SolDevVB
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    What does VERY ARTIFICIAL mean? Seems cosmo is too stupid to figure it out.

  115. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    soldevvb,

    What type of correction should be used to convert tree ring data into temperatures?

    And why can’t soldevvb answer my reasonable 12:34 pm post questions?

    Where did CRU make that claim, for that specific code and correction? You said they did, so prove it.

    Prove that specific code was used for peer-reviewed purposes, and not for something else, like a test run or an informal presentation graph.

  116. SolDevVB
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Why can’t cosmo answer my day old question “What does VERY ARTIFICIAL mean”. Not that hard tough girl.

    Are you seriously this stupid?

  117. ANTI
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    N-word next?
    ==============================

    Ni! Ni! Ni!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg

  118. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Mr_Kia
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Some word say impersonating a person of color is racist.

    Some would say that the world is flat.
    Some would say that the planet is less than 10,000 years old.

    I’m not impersonating anybody.

  119. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    soldevvb,

    For all that you know, that specific program produces very valid output.

    Your lengthy whining about one comment is stupid, and boring.

    Try to find an actual flaw in the code. . . or find something else to waste your time on.

  120. SolDevVB
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Why can’t cosmo answer a very simple question?

    What does VERY ARTIFICIAL mean?

  121. JChen
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
    Why can’t cosmo answer a very simple question?

    What does VERY ARTIFICIAL mean?

    SolDevVB, how many times will you ask the same stupid question? You’re like a broken record. On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on……

    What a pin-head.

  122. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    JChen posted December 23, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    SolDevVB, how many times will you ask the same stupid question? You’re like a broken record. On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on……

    What a pin-head.
    ———————————-

    It’s all that soldevvb can do, since he does not seem to know of any actual flaw in the code.

    Also, I already told him yesterday that I don’t need to defend the code, and I’m not a tree ring expert.
    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/12/copenhagen-results-are-unimpressive/#comment-707242

    But soldevvb continues his immature hissy fit anyway, demanding that I explain what one irrelevant comment means.

  123. sursum
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    The Oils Sands which is Americas No 1 source of imported oil has been villified by the holier-than-thou crowd who decry, whatever the decry, turn out to be not so terrible after all. They represent 1/100th of 1% of the worlds’ emissions and is worth about $180 billion annually to the North American economy. The reason it’s so clean is missed by the total cost ignorers, for it’s transported by pipeline (after enviornemntal studies) without consuming energy in the volume of fuel oil and has no balast waste pollution regurgitated into the sea like those convienced flagged vessels. Also the Boreal forest actually inhales more CO2 than is produced by the sand exploration emmissions and the re-forestration/carbon capturing efforts just coming onstream, seem to be working. One more point, a Brit TV crew were interviewing an Innuit elder about the poor polar bears, what with their decline and all…. the elder looked at him in puzzlement, so I guess he’ll never will understand the whiteman.

  124. Regular
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    I was thinking of making up a Chimp dressed up as a modern day version “Iron Eyes Cody” – the fake indian – complete with crocodile tears streaming down his face with tiny co2 bubblets popping out in rainbow fantasia type explosions.

    Either that a Grim Reaper Polar Bear standing on a tropical island in arctic circle selling beach front property on time shares.

  125. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    sursum,

    Unfortunately for you, many people know that the oil sands operations are an environmental disaster.

    And despite that one uninformed Inuit elder, many people know about the the likely loss of polar bear habitat.

  126. sursum
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    cosmos..that’s my point…disaster no, but like any mining operation ground retoration comes after the ravages. Folks in the areas the work is being done would disagree with the Copenhagen comments about the oil sands, just read some Alberta based comments.

  127. Phantom
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    The explanation for the poll results is obvious, repubs are faith base folks not trusting in the scientific methodology. Don’t believe it? Ask them about evolution.

  128. RoaCH
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Who really gives a sh*t?

    Most of us don’t. If we did we would live our lives in a green manner – without the freaking government telling us to.

    Instead of greening up – we want the government to take our money from us and FORCE us to be good.

    It really is stupid is as stupid does.

  129. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Right RoaCH. . . you and many people don’t give a sh*t about what happens to our only Earth.

    That’s why we need policies that will reduce “greenhouse” gases, instead of relying on voluntary efforts.

  130. RoaCH
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Phillips – keep up the good work! Give Comosis a place to post her unending devotion to the hotter than he11 earth theory.

    I’ll send you another twenty bucks when you post the next one.

    Thanx for keeping him occupied!

  131. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Threads like this aren’t for me, RoaCH.

    They’re for people like you, to prove how stupid, misinformed, and ignorant you deniers are re the AGW science issue.

  132. Pleefer
    Posted December 23, 2009 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    ATTENTION ALL SCIENCE DENYING REPUBLICANS!

    Now is the time to boycott Build-A-Bear and Child Indoctrination Workshop!

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020658/build-a-bear-the-sinister-green-plot-to-turn-our-kids-into-eco-fascist-manchurian-candidates/

  133. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 24, 2009 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Pleefer posted December 23, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    ATTENTION ALL SCIENCE DENYING REPUBLICANS!
    ——————–

    Almost all Republicans are science deniers.

  134. Pleefer
    Posted December 24, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    So are almost all democrats when the science doesn’t fit their bill.

  135. SolDevVB
    Posted December 24, 2009 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    And cosmo still can’t answer a simple question. Bitter pill isn’t it lil girl.

    Just like the scientists[sic] you worship, if it doens’t fit the faith agenda, ignore it, or torture it until it does.

    Praise be.

  136. BlueJay
    Posted December 24, 2009 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Healthy business at Build a bear just last night there Pleefer.

    The kids are getting the message! You should celebrate this. It’s your planet too. Try to care about something beyond the end of your nose.

  137. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 24, 2009 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    soldevvb still doesn’t understand reality, and still can’t refute climate science.

  138. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 24, 2009 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Pleefer,

    Do you not understand the difference between science and policy?

  139. SolDevVB
    Posted December 24, 2009 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Bitter pill lil girl. I understand. It is a four syllable word after all.

  140. mikew
    Posted December 25, 2009 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    All you liberals bowing at the altar or Algore should know one thing, he is laughing all the way to the bank. The same buffoon that said he invented the internet is the green spokesperson. Green in his bank account. You guys bag on Sarah Palin and think algore is smart?

  141. cosmos_originally
    Posted December 26, 2009 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    mikew worships falsehoods and irrational denials.