Veterans shouldn’t live without care, hope

homelessvetOn this Veterans Day, it’s troubling that new estimates show the number of homeless veterans in Kansas has been increasing, as is the case nationally. There were 712 homeless vets in Kansas in 2008, up from 689 in 2007 and 601 in 2006, according to the National Alliance to End Homelessness. To its credit, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs is launching a comprehensive plan to end homelessness among veterans that includes expanded support services and help with education, jobs, health care and housing. Local efforts to combat chronic homelessness should also help veterans get off the street and into stable housing. As Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki said last week, “Those who have served this nation as veterans should never find themselves on the streets, living without care and without hope.”

70 Comments

  1. Posted November 11, 2009 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    The Parable of the Old Man and the Young

    So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,
    And took the fire with him, and a knife.
    And as they sojourned both of them together,
    Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father,
    Behold the preparations, fire and iron,
    But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?
    Then Abram bound the youth with belts and strops,
    And builded parapets and trenches there,
    And stretched forth the knife to slay his son.
    When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,
    Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,
    Neither do anything to him. Behold,
    A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;
    Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.

    But the old man would not so, but slew his son,
    And half the seed of Europe, one by one.

    ==

    The poet, Wilfred Owen, wrote this in a trench.

    He was killed in action on November 4, 1918.

    According to legend, the telegram announcing his death was delivered to his parent the exact moment — the 11th minute of the 11th day of the 11th month — just as church bells started peeling to mark the first Armistice day.

    The specifics of the story are probably too good to be true.

    But Wilfred Owen’s poetry is real and good and timeless.

  2. HDChaplainCorps
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    So Obama rose, and clave the wood, and went,
    And took the fire with him, and a knife.
    And as they sojourned both of them together,
    Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father,
    Behold the preparations, fire and iron,
    But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?
    Then Obama bound the youth with belts and strops,
    And builded parapets and trenches there,
    And stretched forth the knife to slay his son.
    When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,
    Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,
    Neither do anything to him. Behold,
    A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;
    Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.

    But Obama would not so, but slew his son,
    And half the seed of Afghanistan, one by one.

  3. HLP
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    http://blog.nj.com/statattack/2007/11/the_veteran_poverty_myth.html

    As we celebrate Veterans Day maybe we should just thank them instead of trying to make political points using false statistics.

    Veterans score quite well when compared with non-veterans, thankyou.

  4. Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Uhm, “HLP” –

    Your link seems to try “…to make political points” with statistics.

    I dunno if they’re false or not.

    But I see homeless vets just about everywhere.

    Who am I gonna believe?

    Your numbers or my lying eyes?

  5. HLP
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    They aren’t ‘my numbers’ but you might be right, Monkeyhawk.

    I hear Iola, Kansas is a haven for homeless vets.

  6. Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Not every vet has a chiro-quacktor meal ticket to support him.

  7. HLP
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Very good, Monkeyhawk!

    You actually made it past 7am without defaming another bloggers wife!

    Is that all you got, little man?

  8. Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    What defamation?

  9. HLP
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    pathetic

  10. Regular
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Some of the homeless vets I’ve spoken to were druggies when they were in and druggies when they got out.

    Let’s get real, anyone with a fully functioning mind would not want to live in the streets. They either have a drug problem or a some sort of mental instability.

    Yeah, give them all that stuff they talked about, but if you don’t address the underlying problems, there will be more problems.

  11. jbradley
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    2,200 Vets died in 2008 for lack of health insurance. Not all vets live near a VA system hospital. Medicare for All would solve this problem. http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=bce61abde2d70c73fb6ea5db2c4b8403

  12. writerdog
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Regular has a valid point, of those I have met many were suffering a mental illness of some sort.
    And the drugs and alcohol abuse seem to be a extension of that.

    Most were Vietnam vets, we really did not put their service in prospective and welcome them home and thought of them as they should have. “Welcome home soldier, thank you and job well done!”.

    But there lies the focus, the why’s and what is the problem instead of where they are in a street.

    BTW I happen to think that Chiropractic is a valid treatment and many times the only thing that did work.

  13. biased1
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    jbradley
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:50 am | Permalink
    2,200 Vets died in 2008 for lack of health insurance. Not all vets live near a VA system hospital. Medicare for All would solve this problem.
    ———————————–
    2,380 people died EVERY DAY in 2008 WITH health insurance……

    nit.

  14. Mr_Kia
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    We loathe the plight of our Veterans in this country (as we should) yet continue to give more power to the same people that have put them in such a sorry state.
    Definition of insanity is being put into law before our very eyes.

  15. Posted November 11, 2009 at 8:23 am | Permalink

    Yeah, “writerdog” –

    I happen to believe voodoo is a valid treatment and many times the only thing that did work.

    But I don’t think it should be covered by health insurance.

  16. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    As a veteran of course I am concerned about other vets. But I’m a curious reader. Are the numbers a signficant increase?

    “A quick look at the data may suggest that veterans homelessness is an improving problem. This year’s data show that there are 131,000 homeless veterans in America on any given night. Last year, the number was 154,000.

    Unfortunately, the change in these numbers is largely attributed to methodology, and not the effectiveness of veterans services or programs. While we applaud the VA for their improved efforts to obtain more accurate data, we also acknowledge that the problem of veterans homelessness persists.

    The numbers also reflect the most recent demographic data, which confirms that:

    There are an increasing number of female veterans.
    [so, what is the number of homeless female vets?]

    Homeless veterans tend to be middle-aged.

    The racial demographics of homeless veterans mirror that of the general homeless population.”

    Again, I am sure there are homeless veterans, and like all homeless – they need help. But I am not so sure the old sterotype of a homeless veteran still rings true. Are they as homeless as any other population?

    Trying to see what the source of this information is. Was it statistical? Was it an actual count? Did the homeless complete census forms?

    http://www.endhomelessness.org/section/data/interactivemaps/vetsmap

  17. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    And here is a state survey:

    2009 Kansas Point-In-Time Count Shows Reduction in Homelessness
    –Survey Finds 1,811 Instances of Homelessness in Kansas; 300 Fewer than 2007–

    Topeka – Results from the 2009 Kansas Point-In-Time (KPIT) Count show a 14% reduction in the state’s homeless population. Kansas Housing Resources Corporation (KHRC) and the Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services – Disability and Behavioral Health Services (SRS-DBHS), sponsored the count. The survey, which represents only a snapshot of homelessness on any given night, found that on January 28th, 2009 an estimated 1,811 people in Kansas experienced literal homelessness; down from 2,111 in 2007.

    Conclusions from this year’s count include:

    ? Between 2007 and 2009, Kansas had a 14.2 percent decrease in the number of people experiencing literal homelessness (2,111 people in 2007 compared to 1,811 people in 2009).

    ? Nearly 1 in 5 people (19.3 percent) experiencing homelessness on January 28th were children under the age of 18.

    ? Almost 200 people (10.8% of the 1,811) were unsheltered, staying in places not meant for human habitation such as alleyways, parks, drainage tunnels, river banks or abandoned buildings.

    ? Respondents ranged in age from 13 years old to 100 years old, with the mean age of 41.8 years.

    ? A composite of the typical respondent who was literally homeless in the KPIT was:
    • White (n = 601; 57.2 percent)
    • Not Hispanic (n = 779; 87.6 percent)
    • Male (n = 728; 63.0 percent)

    ? About one in three (33.7 percent) literally homeless respondents reported they had a serious mental illness. This reflects a greater percentage of persons who have a mental illness when compared to the 22.4 percent of homeless persons who had a mental illness reported in a recent National Coalition for the Homeless study (6/08).

    http://kshousingcorp.net/display/files/News%20Releases/KPITResults%20draft6.docx

  18. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    And what’s up with a statistical reporting of “non-hispanic?”

  19. samkan
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Before you believe ANY survey numbers, take into consideration the people are surveying. The numbers are guesstimates at best! Many of the homeless actually hide when they know the counters are coming. Many more refuse to answer the survey questions, or lie on purpose. Why? Because they do not believe the funding that goes to Agencies based on these numbers actually gets used to help the homeless. They think that the fat cats are pocketing the money… and considering the goverment involvement, I’m sure alot is wasted. I can tell you this, in MY experience, the numbers are BOGUS, and there are Military Veterans under bridges and sleeping in alleys in Wichita. It is truly a shameful situation, whatever the reasons.

  20. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    BTW, if you ever travel to a big city and walk the inner core, you will many times be confronted by homeless begging for money.

    “Can you help out a Vet?”

    Is a standard one liner.

    Pretending to be a Vet sometimes garners assistance.

  21. BlueJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    NO ONE should live without care or help. But of course, that is how Republicans keep their churches full and their menial labor done.

  22. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Eddie Murphy Trading Places
    Opening act Murphy is on sidewalk begging for money as a Veteran with no legs:

    We’ve had complaints about con men
    pretending to be blind and crippled.

    I ain’t seen nothing since
    I stepped on that landmine in Vietnam.

    It was very painful.

    You were in ‘Nam? So were we. Where?

    I was in…Sang Bang…

    Dang Gong…

    I was all over the place, a lot of places.

    What unit?

    I was with the Green Berets,
    Special Unit Battalions…

    Commando Airborne Tactics…
    Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion.

    Yeah, it was real hush hush.

    I was Agent Orange,
    Special Agent Orange, that was me.

    Airborne, huh?

    I can see! I can see!

    I have…I have legs.

    I have… Oh sheatt, look at this.
    Legs! I can walk.

    Jesus, praise Jesus.

    I appreciate this. Oh, this is beautiful.
    I can’t believe… Thank you.

    I don’t know what to do it’s…

    Glory be to God. Praise Jesus.
    Look at me.

    This is too much. I can’t believe it.

    Ah, beautiful. Listen… I can’t thank you.
    First Moses, now this. God, Jesus…

    I’m so happy, oh God.
    Look at me, this is too much.

    What a happy day!

    Really, I appreciate it.
    Y’alls OK now. Look at this.

    I can walk. I don’t know what to say…
    I’ll be all right. Take it easy.

    Y’all beautiful,
    both of you are, the two of you.

  23. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    “that is how Republicans keep their churches full and their menial labor done.”

    So how do democrats keep their churches full?

  24. Mr_Kia
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Since college I’ve always had the opportunity for care through being employed and help when I needed it.
    This has come from Corporate America.
    Veterans have relied on Uncle Sam and this is where it has them. It sucks.
    And now the so-called “progressives” want to rely on the same.
    Geniuses.

  25. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    by Mark Tarses

    “One of my pet peeves is fake Vietnam veterans. We have a lot of them panhandling on the streets of Berkeley. You see them everywhere, not just around campus, but at busy intersections, at freeway entrances, on BART trains, and working the lines at movie theaters. I don’t know why they annoy me. I’ve never been to Vietnam, I’m not a veteran, and these people never get any money from me.

    Many of these fake Vietnam vets are obvious fakes. For one thing, many of them are too young. The last U.S. troops left Vietnam in 1975, so that means that all real Vietnam vets are over 50 years old. However, I frequently see panhandlers claiming to be Vietnam veterans who look 30 to 40-something, and in some cases, 20-something.

    What percentage of beggars claiming to be Vietnam veterans are fakes? Nearly all of them. According to a survey by the Vietnam Veterans of America, over 90% of street beggars claiming to be Vietnam veterans are fakes.

    Beggars figured out a long time ago that they could get more money from passers-by by claiming to be veterans and by making themselves look like veterans. In ancient Rome, beggars falsely claiming to be disabled or honorably discharged Roman soldiers were subject to death in the arena.

    The fact that a beggar claims to be a Vietnam vet and looks like one is meaningless. It is very easy for panhandlers to dress up like veterans. Old camouflage army uniforms, complete with battle ribbons, decorations, and insignias of rank are available very cheaply at thrift stores and can often be obtained from church free boxes.

    Many successful politicians built their careers on false claims of military service and valor. Senator Joseph McCarthy based his career on his claim that he was a war hero, wounded in the South Pacific while shooting down dozens of Japanese planes. In reality, “Tail Gunner Joe”, as McCarthy liked to be known, was a desk officer during the war. He never saw combat. Yes, he was wounded. That claim was true. However, his “war wound” was not incurred in combat. In 1943, McCarthy got drunk at a party, fell down some stairs, and broke a leg. He applied for a decoration and got it.

    David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, has long claimed to be a war hero. Duke claimed that during the Vietnam War, he took part in covert operations in Laos, voluntarily risking his life behind enemy lines. However, according to Pentagon records, David Duke’s only military experience was a brief stint in the ROTC program at Louisiana State University. Thats a long way from Laos!

    There are many widely-held misconceptions about the Vietnam War and Vietnam veterans. Here are some real facts:

    There are no American POWs (Prisoners of War) in Vietnam. Over half of all Americans believe that American POWs are still being held in Vietnam. This myth is constantly being reinforced by movies like the Rambo series, which are seen on TV all the time; and by disreputable charities which claim to be working for the release of American POWs in Vietnam. There is no credible evidence that there are any American POWs in Vietnam.

    Vietnam veterans are not poor or mentally unstable. Of course, there are some real Vietnam veterans who have real psychological problems resulting from their wartime experiences. That happens after every war. But there is no evidence that Vietnam veterans, as a group, have a higher rate of mental illness than the general population of the U.S. Also, Vietnam veterans are no more likely to be poor, homeless, or addicted to drugs than the general population.

    If you would like to help real Vietnam veterans, don’t give money to panhandlers wearing old Army uniforms and carrying signs that say “Help a homeless Vietnam veteran.” Almost all of those people are fakes. Instead, make a donation to a legitimate veteran organization.”

  26. samkan
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Darnit! I forgot to ask my church if it was only for Republicans… there could be “GASP”.. Democrats lurking around.

    Good Grief.. the political reasoning of some posters shows a total lack of understanding of who goes to churches and why, or who cares for others and why.

  27. Freebird1971
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    that is how Republicans keep their churches full and their menial labor done.”

    So following this line of reasoning(?) if you want to be a Democract you can’t be a Christian

  28. samkan
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Mark Tarses of “Berkely Living” is hardly an authority on homeless veterans. Downplaying the condition of American veterans is totally out of line IMHO! The VA publishes these statistics:

    23% of homeless population are veterans
    33% of male homeless population are veterans
    47% Vietnam Era
    17% post-Vietnam
    15% pre-Vietnam
    67% served three or more years
    33% stationed in war zone
    25% have used VA Homeless Services
    85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
    89% received Honorable Discharge
    79% reside in central cities
    16% reside in suburban areas
    5% reside in rural areas
    76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
    46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
    46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans

    No matter what statistics you choose to believe… thank a Veteran today… without them, we could all lose our freedom to believe anything!

  29. samkan
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Mark Tarses of “Berkely Living” is hardly an authority on homeless veterans. Downplaying the condition of American veterans is totally out of line IMHO! The VA publishes these statistics:

    23% of homeless population are veterans
    33% of male homeless population are veterans
    47% Vietnam Era
    17% post-Vietnam
    15% pre-Vietnam
    67% served three or more years
    33% stationed in war zone
    25% have used VA Homeless Services
    85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
    89% received Honorable Discharge
    79% reside in central cities
    16% reside in suburban areas
    5% reside in rural areas
    76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
    46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
    46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans

    No matter what statistics you choose to believe… thank a Veteran today… without them, we could all lose our freedom to believe anything!

  30. samkan
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Mark Tarses of “Berkely Living” is hardly an authority on homeless veterans. Downplaying the condition of American veterans is totally out of line IMHO! The VA publishes these statistics:

    23% of homeless population are veterans
    33% of male homeless population are veterans
    47% Vietnam Era
    17% post-Vietnam
    15% pre-Vietnam
    67% served three or more years
    33% stationed in war zone
    25% have used VA Homeless Services
    85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
    89% received Honorable Discharge
    79% reside in central cities
    16% reside in suburban areas
    5% reside in rural areas
    76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
    46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
    46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans

    No matter what statistics you choose to believe… thank a Veteran today… without them, we could all lose our freedom to believe anything!

  31. samkan
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    wow…sorry… one enter… three posts….

  32. biased1
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    BeeJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:33 am | Permalink
    NO ONE should live without care or help.
    —————————
    Don’t worry pal, ‘Bama is going to give big fines and jail time to those that try not to.

    WPE

  33. Pleefer
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    “Since college I’ve always had the opportunity for care through being employed and help when I needed it.
    This has come from Corporate America.
    Veterans have relied on Uncle Sam and this is where it has them. It sucks.
    And now the so-called “progressives” want to rely on the same.
    Geniuses.”-Mr. Kia

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Maybe Obama will make up his mind on Afghanistan and finally make a decision.

    The guy talked tough stuff on the campaign trail. Now, not so hot.

    Meanwhile our troops are dying. Waiting on their Whiner-In-Chief.

  35. StevenEDavis
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    I went to a V.A. sponsored workshop yesterday. A reserve officer noted that an enlisted person will make on an average 3,000 decisions per day, compared to a non-enlisted person who will make an average of 9,000 decisions per day.

    These latter would have to include pretty inconsequential decisions like “what will I wear today?” But a question I wondered, if decision making parts of your brain are not used, do they atrophy? Like a muscle that you don’t use? Would twenty years of not using your decision making processes represent a real handicap?

  36. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Funny Iggy. Very funny.

  37. Regular
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    StevenEDavis
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink
    I went to a V.A. sponsored workshop yesterday. A reserve officer noted that an enlisted person will make on an average 3,000 decisions per day, compared to a non-enlisted person who will make an average of 9,000 decisions per day.
    —————————-
    Evidently, that reserve officer hasn’t been in a combat control center or an Aircraft Control Center during combat operations. :)

    I don’t know how one derives at the number of decisions a day one makes. A personnel officer might well make many more decisions regarding personnel per day than a clerk in the same outfit, but that’s hardly a measure of anything other than the higher in the chain of command one is, the larger the scope of the decision making is.

    With that in mind, delegation of authority is a key management function that makes the military work properly. A primary reason for low morale and unit ineffectiveness is when an officer or high ranking NCOs start micro-managing the process.

    Unity of command, span of control and delegation of authority are essential identifiers of management functions in the military and the concept of rank serves these functions well if applied properly.

    There is a general misconception about enlisted personnel of the armed services. I’ve known senior enlisted with PhD’s and Master’s degrees. I’ve known some enlisted who had GED’s who were the go-to guys on complex engineering projects that had ‘educated’ engineers scratching their heads.

    Like I said, I don’t know under what thesis or area of study the reserve officer was trying to apply the decision-making process, but it appears to be career field specific or a gross generalization.

    True, there are some jobs in the military where they hand you a weapon and say guard this for the next four hours and we’ll come relieve you. Not much in the way of decisions, but constant focus is required which may be more important than decision making.

    I’ve met some officers who were well educated, but silly as a goose when it came to common sense. Like not wearing a blue ‘flight cap’ with your camoflauged battle dress uniform wasn’t a concept they just couldn’t quite graspe. Or, wearing a belt with their pants. :)

    I assume that a non-enlisted person would be a civilian or an officer. Haven’t heard that term before. :D

  38. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    “BlueJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 9:33 am | Permalink
    NO ONE should live without care or help.”

    That’s right Bluejay. That’s why Obama is going to force you to contribute some of your own cash for your healthcare.

    And that son of yours that you have posted you are anxious to get out of the house? You will get the priviledge of paying for his healthcare until he reaches the ripe age of 26.

    Sometimes what goes around………..

  39. BlueJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    The blogs one and only (in any nic) welfare case.

  40. Phantom
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    “Would twenty years of not using your decision making processes represent a real handicap?

    Was that a rhetorical question? Don’t we see proof positive of that everyday on the Weblog?

  41. Phantom
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Our Glorious Leader, will come up with a genius strategy.

  42. SolDevVB
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Our Glorious Leader, will come up with a genius strategy.

    You’re drooling again. Pull your pants back up.

  43. ANTI
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Our Glorious Leader, will come up with a genius strategy.

    You’re drooling again. Pull your pants back up.
    ===============================================

    Better yet, tie your mud flaps in a knot, Phantom.

  44. Daniel
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    I think you’re wrong on this one. They can’t possibly be the same person. I’ve determined that “Regular” does have some redeeming qualities.

    That’s all I’m gonna say about that.

  45. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you again today Bluejay. I’m Hank on Holidays and the 1st Tuesday of each month.

    Back on topic (instead of posting about other posters), you are saving your spare change to pay your healthcare insurance fine aren’t you?

  46. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you BJ. Today I am Hank as I am on every federal holiday and the first Tuesday of the month.

    You are saving up to pay your healthcare fine for you and your boy until he reaches age 27 aren’t you?

  47. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you again today Bluejay. I’m Hank on Holidays and the 1st Tuesday of each month.

    Back on topic (instead of posting about other posters), you are saving your spare change to pay your healthcare insurance fine aren’t you?

  48. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you BJ. Today I am Hank as I am on every federal holiday and the first Tuesday of the month.

    You are saving up to pay your healthcare fine for you and your boy until he reaches age 27 aren’t you?

  49. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you BJ. Today I am Hank as I am on every federal holiday and the first Tuesday of the month.

    You are saving up to pay your healthcare fine for you and your boy until he reaches age 27 aren’t you?

  50. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you BJ. Today I am Hank as I am on every federal holiday and the first Tuesday of the month.

    You are saving up to pay your healthcare fine for you and your boy until he reaches age 27 aren’t you?

  51. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you BJ. Today I am Hank as I am on every federal holiday and the first Tuesday of the month.

    You are saving up to pay your healthcare fine for you and your boy until he reaches age 27 aren’t you?

  52. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you again today Bluejay. I’m Hank on Holidays and the 1st Tuesday of each month.

    Back on topic (instead of posting about other posters), you are saving your spare change to pay your healthcare insurance fine aren’t you?

  53. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you again today Bluejay. I’m Hank on Holidays and the 1st Tuesday of each month.

    Back on topic (instead of posting about other posters), you are saving your spare change to pay your healthcare insurance fine aren’t you?

  54. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you again today Bluejay. I’m Hank on Holidays and the 1st Tuesday of each month.

    Back on topic (instead of posting about other posters), you are saving your spare change to pay your healthcare insurance fine aren’t you?

  55. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    “American way”= “Regular”

    Sorry to disappoint you BJ. Today I am Hank as I am on every federal holiday and the first Tuesday of the month.

    You are saving up to pay your healthcare fine for you and your boy until he reaches age 27 aren’t you?

  56. BlueJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Don’t think I’m wrong there Daniel.

    And even if I were?

    It just means we have TWO ranting drooling loons with the free time to post here all day long. Telling us without saying so that some Americans are worthy of health care and some are not.

    Lookit there! HE (or they) already HAVE health care.

  57. Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    A quadruple post?

    Attention Deficit Disorder?

    Attention whor€?

  58. BlueJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Don’t think I’m wrong there Daniel.

    And even if I were?

    It just means we have TWO ranting drooling loons with the free time to post here all day long. Telling us without saying so that some Americans are worthy of health care and some are not.

    Lookit there! HE (or they) already HAVE health care.

  59. BlueJay
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    React tellingly much James?

  60. Regular
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    American_Way Posted at November 11, 2009 at 9:42 am in the open thread.

    I have two witnesses, both who blog on WEBlog where I was at that very moment. :)

    Three witnesses if you count the waitress at Tocs.

  61. Daniel
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Sure, Regular…

    We all know what a shifty character you are. I wouldn’t put it past you to construct a time machine, go to breakfast to establish an iron-clad alibi as to your whereabouts, return home, and travel back in time to post as American_Way at 9:42am.

    You can’t fool us.

  62. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Daniel joins Bluejay in the worthless thoughtless NIC switching attacks. (sigh}

    Freebird pointed out the solution for not being Regular, and I took his advise to heart.

    So now, I’m pretty much regular 24/7. As stated, I’m Hank on federal holidays and first Tuesday of the month.

    I’m JJ every other wednesday from 8PM to midnight.

    I’m, gee whom else?

    I just wish the Weblog editors would email you the schedule and get this wasted space over with.

  63. Daniel
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    American_Way,

    My 5:55pm post is sarcasm. Most human beings above the age of 8 or 9 have achieved the level of cognitive development necessary to identify and comprehend sarcasm.
    ———————–

    AGES 6-8 years-old:

    Children’s Consideration of Listener Knowledge as a Cue to Sarcastic Intent

    * When using verbal irony (often referred to as “sarcasm” e.g., saying “that game was awesome” in response to a very boring game of cricket), people say the opposite of what they mean. Sarcasm is often used in everyday conversations. When children begin to detect and interpret sarcastic statements, they are learning a valuable communication skill. The purpose of this study is to examine how children’s understanding of a listener’s knowledge of the context in which a statement takes place is important to their interpretation of sarcasm. We are no longer recruiting children for this study, but are now looking at how adults perform on a similar task.

    http://cognitivedevelopmentlab.uwaterloo.ca/current_studies.html

    It appears that they are looking for adult participants in their study to compare results. You might make an interesting case study.

  64. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Actually Daniel I was responding to your 3:36 pm post.
    In that post, you didn’t agree with Bluejay that I was Regular, but yet you indirectly attacked/insulted. Further, we both know you have a history of calling me a nic switcher.

    And again, you are posting insulting posts. (sigh)

  65. Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Gotcher widdle feewins hurt, huh, “American_Way?”

  66. American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Not to disappoint you Monkeyhawk, but I really don’t give a sheat what you say or you.

    Touchy-feely is for libs.

    I don’t let others affect my emotions.

    Particularly on an anonymous blog.

    I have, though, tried to pursue posting my opinions on the issues and try to avoid the personal discussions and attacks so commmon among lib bloggers.

    In that vein, was my reply to Daniel for reason to prevail.

    I’ll admit it is difficult sometimes.

    Much easier to reply with something like, “Monkeyhawk is a dick headed koon homo fairy with an arse hole that’s been stretched out by more dicks than a japanese whor house.”

    Any idiot lib can do that.

    Get it?

  67. Posted November 11, 2009 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    “American_Way” contributes –

    “Much easier to reply with something like, “Monkeyhawk is a dick headed koon homo fairy with an arse hole that’s been stretched out by more dicks than a japanese whor house.”

    I assume that wasn’t your original work, but a quote from a WE Blog “lib.”

    Got a link?

  68. StevenEDavis
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    “Evidently, that reserve officer hasn’t been in a combat control center or an Aircraft Control Center during combat operations. :)”

    I am willing to bet this reserve officer did more for her country than you ever did, you puffed up POS!

  69. Daniel
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    #
    American_Way
    Posted November 11, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Actually Daniel I was responding to your 3:36 pm post.
    In that post, you didn’t agree with Bluejay that I was Regular, but yet you indirectly attacked/insulted. Further, we both know you have a history of calling me a nic switcher.

    And again, you are posting insulting posts. (sigh)
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    I do think that Regular has some redeeming qualities. Why would this bother you?

  70. Posted November 12, 2009 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    “Regular’s” only redeeming quality is his body consists of $2.97 worth of chemicals.