The shooting at Fort Hood is so tragic and terrible. As President Obama stated, “these are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk and at times give their lives to the rest of us on a daily basis. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil.” Suspect Maj. Nidal M. Hasan is in stable condition, and authorities are still trying to piece together what may have prompted the attack. In the meantime, our prayers should go out to the families of those killed and to the wounded, which includes a woman from Kansas.
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“Tragic.”
Y’think?
Bet the psychiatrist will be able to put on a good insanity position.
Depending on the major’s prognosis, it might be more punishment to let him live out his life.
No more men with guns. All guns
to be owned and operated only
by women.
Lets not point out any facts like:
-his being a Muslim.
-his being disgruntled at our war in Iraq and Afghanistan and how he thought Obama would be getting us out of there
-Soldiers reporting that he said “Allahu Akbar!” before shooting
And lets not even think about jumping to any conclusions that this is terrorism.
Nope.
A Muslim going on a shooting spree screaming “Allahu Akbar!” and the LAST thing that comes to my mind is terrorism.
What part of “God is great” do you disagree with, Nathan?
CapnAmerica,
I think something like 100% of terrorists find no problem with the phrase as they shout it before blowing themselves or others up.
“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction” -Blaise Pascal
CapnAmerica,
As a Christian, what is your point?
It appears that the killer did not mind violating his oath ‘to do no harm’ as a physician or his oath to ‘protect and defend the United States.’
I’m sure God will ignore the killer shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ as meaningless since the actions were inspired by selfish annointing of status from misguided faith.
Uh…bowhowdy…you might want to consider the following:
Stacey Lannert
On July 4, 1990, Stacey Ann Lannert, age 18, shot and killed her father, Tom Lannert, as he lay sleeping in the family’s St. John, Missouri, home.
Frances Elaine Newton
Newton shot and killed her husband, her seven-year-old son and her 21-month-old daughter for insurance money.
Christina S. Walters
As part of a gang-initiation, Walters randomly selected three teenaged girls and shot them
Aileen Wourons
Shot and killed 7 men in Florida.
addtionally, from trutv.com:
Women have been murdering serially for as long as men, though their victims are usually family members or acquaintances, and they most often choose poison over other means of disposal.
So, bowhowdy…is it worse to be killed with a gun than other means? Or, is dead still dead?
Perhaps we ought to consider purging muslims from our military as long as we are going to be fighting their insanely fanatical religious bretheren. In the interest of watching our backs, I mean.
Oh, hey, I’m sure I’ll now be accused of prejudice and Islamophobia. Well, I don’t consider it prejudice when they have shown repeatedly their desire to destroy you; as to the charge of Islamophobia, I don’t consider it an insult. At all.
The cultural values of the West and of Islam are irreconcilable. It’s time to accept that fact.
My point, Nathan, is that nothing is as dangerous as someone who thinks they understand the mind of the ineffable God.
Al Qaeda has no doubt they are serving God. Israel is certain that God wants them to steal Palestinian land. Hitler had complete and utter certainty that what he did was right.
Fiore–
We should demand that American Muslims condemn and distance themselves from Hasan.
Just like the fundamentalist Christians did when Scott Roeder shot Tiller.
Oops . . .
Just like the fundamentalist Christians did when Scott Roeder shot Tiller.
Not only are the two events not comparable other than guns and murder were involved, I don’t recall seeing any Christians defending the actions of Roeder.
Perhaps Capn, you visit these crazy places or Websites and read something, I don’t.
No, CapnAmerica, the problem is not so general as to say that thinking you know the mind of God is dangerous.
It is when they think that God wants them to blow other people up or kill other people in the name of God.
CapnAmerica,
Perhaps it is your Christian church that was defending the actions of Roeder?
It sure wasn’t any of the churches I go to around Wichita.
Hasan, incidentally, has been quoted as saying that he is a muslim first and an American second, and that the war on terror is a war against Islam. So where would you say his sympathies lie?
He is now described as being in stable condition.
Well, physically, anyway….
Purge all Muslims from the military? No. That is a bit much.
How about we start with the ones who are actively complaining about our military, disagree with the war effort they are involved in, and make statements which are in agreement with our enemies.
That would be a good place to start.
CapnAmerica
Posted November 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
My point, Nathan, is that nothing is as dangerous as someone who thinks they understand the mind of the ineffable God.
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Possibly,… nope, that’s way too general of a statement. I could go with, “there is nothing more dangerous than a deluded and/or mentally ill person who thinks he knows the mind of God”.
You should know that, as a Christian, CapnA, that God wants us to seek and know Him. That’s why we have the Bible and The Holy Spirit.
Of course, the solution to this?
Well it must be PTSD!
We need better screening and more money for the mental problems our soldiers are facing.
*BANG HEAD ON DESK*
Roeder was convinced that God wanted him to save lives by killing Tiller. There were many persons who were glad that he had done it and those people that I am referring to think of themselves as Christians, protecting life.
Outlander,
The Bible? CapnAmerica gets more meaning from tiolet paper than that thing.
If one believes in the existence of God, there is that danger of them becoming the very thing they think God hates. They can take it beyond the simple faith and devotion to the level of being so devote that they lost reason and logic.
That is two things that God has given as a gift to mankind, such people are not limited to the Islamic faith.
Eric Rudolph, Roeder the list could go on, but the immediate conclusion is not that they are Christian terrorists. Yet both claim to be doing God’s will and at his commandment.
They own faith was taken beyond the common sense and reason that governs the rest.
What God gave them to use and be what they should be both as a person and a Christian.
The actions of those who claim the mantel of God while doing sin is not about their faith or God.
By any name that that person calls the Lord.
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Nathaniel
Posted November 6, 2009 at 5:36 pm | Permalink
It is when they think that God wants them to blow other people up or kill other people in the name of God.
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Nathaniel,
You and I are in complete agreement on this.
‘Bush told Powell of his decision in a brief meeting in the White House. Evidently concerned about Powell’s reaction, he said, “Are you with me on this? I think I have to do this. I want you with me.”
“I’ll do the best I can,” Powell answered. “Yes, sir, I will support you. I’m with you, Mr. President.”
Bush said he did not remember asking the question of his father, former president George H.W. Bush, who fought Iraq in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. But, he added that the two had discussed developments in Iraq.
“You know he is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength. There is a higher father that I appeal to,” Bush said.’
Nathan whines, Perhaps it is your Christian church that was defending the actions of Roeder?
Classic distortion . . . I said that Fundies who called “Tiller the baby killer” should condemn Roeder.
Christian churches don’t condemn Roeder because they don’t think he represents them. They don’t think he has anything to do with them.
Neither then should the Islamic community be faced with demands to “condemn” a psychopath who yelled the Islamic call to prayer before his deadly rampage.
I never said anything about churches who DEFEND Roeder.
I said that by the same standard Christians hold the Muslim community, churches should be asked to CONDEMN him.
When Nathan switched “condemn” for “defend,” he distorted what I was saying.
But then, he knew that . . .
David,
Thanks for the reminder.
“God willed GW to invade Iraq.”
Thus proving Pascal’s quote once again.
Christian churches don’t condemn Roeder because they don’t think he represents them. They don’t think he has anything to do with them.
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And they would be exactly right to claim that Roeder does not have anything to do with them.
Roeder was also male, Kansan and drove a certain model of car.
I don’t suppose you want to take a stab at connecting those with people of the same identity.
Actually Roeder has lots of support, people send him money, have fundraisers for him, and his visitor list in Jail is a who’s who of anti abortion activist. But to say he’s representative of Christians makes as much sense at labeling the Major a Muslim. Their was a mass shooting in Orlando today I really dont think his religon really matters in the end
This guy used to be my neighbor http://www.adl.org/mwd/glover.asp A Christian who’s ultimate goal was the same as the Hasans. Luckily he got caught before his plan was implemented
“The Broad Brush
In other news, 3,699 to 13,999 Muslims serving in the U. S. military didn’t go on a shooting spree yesterday.
It’s not the religion. It’s not the guns. It’s the crazy. And no one group has a lock on crazy. Yeah, it’d be nice if you could single out the wicked and the dangerously loony with a simple survey. But it doesn’t work that way and no amount of pointing-with-alarm will make it so.”
http://twowheeledmadwoman.blogspot.com/2009/11/broad-brush.html
Amazing how the Libs appear to be experts on evil. They can tell just by reading or listenting to a news story who is evil and who isn’t.
I’m thinking maybe his turban was wound a little to tight or he may have fallen off his magic carpet.
Looking like our guys will have to unwind some more turbans. If you hit them just right with an M-16 they will spin right off.
nothing is as dangerous as someone who thinks they understand the mind of the ineffable Government.
No lib/con debate on what went wrong in America which caused this maniac to kill?.
But lot’s of argumentum ad hominem.
That is just as well. I never put much faith in the
coulda, shoulda, woulda’s.
You use the words ‘God’ and ‘Government’ interchangeably?
Interesting…
Authorities are trying to sort out what caused it? He is NOT a typical American Muslim, most of whom are responsible, quality citizens. He is, however, known to be one of that fanatical hate fringe which gives all Muslims a black eye, and which needs to be fought at every opportunity. How he was allowed to be in the position he held, given the statements and writings he had made, is what needs to be investigated.
“You use the words ‘God’ and ‘Government’ interchangeably”
No I don’t. I’m just expressing the liberal democrat belief that there is no god – just government. Government is God.
Liberals faith in government is the same-same as religious zealots faith in their gawd.
You believe in giving to a greater good called gubmerint. Others give at their churches.
To each his own.
>Perhaps we ought to consider purging muslims from our military as long as we are going to be fighting their insanely fanatical religious bretheren. In the interest of watching our backs, I mean.<
You mean like we should have kept all of the men of German and Italian extraction out of the Army in WWII because we were fighting their insanely fanatical Nazi and Facist bretheren?
You get the sweeping generalization award this morning, pinhead.
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American_Way
Posted November 7, 2009 at 8:16 am | Permalink
“You use the words ‘God’ and ‘Government’ interchangeably”
No I don’t. I’m just expressing the liberal democrat belief that there is no god – just government. Government is God.
Liberals faith in government is the same-same as religious zealots faith in their gawd.
You believe in giving to a greater good called gubmerint. Others give at their churches.
To each his own.
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This post has exposed your fundamental weakness, American_Way. You have absolutely no clue about the people who you perceive to be the ‘enemy.’
Your’s is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Nathan,
“How about we start with the ones who are actively complaining about our military, disagree with the war effort they are involved in, and make statements which are in agreement with our enemies.”
That’s such a good idea that we ought to consider expanding it to include all soldiers of any persuasion. Then send to half-dozen or so who are left off to fight the wars!
whatabunchofrubes
Posted November 7, 2009 at 8:27 am | Permalink
>You mean like we should have kept all of the men of German and Italian extraction out of the Army in WWII because we were fighting their insanely fanatical Nazi and Facist bretheren?<
What, no mention by you of what we DID do to the Japanese-Americans? Why not?
As for Hasan and sweeping generalizations, perhaps he ought to have considered the possible ramifications of his actions before he shouted "Allahu Akbar!" and started shooting.
"You get the sweeping generalization award this morning, pinhead."
And with the childish attempt at an insult, you lose the right to be taken seriously.
Since the guys on a ventilator and paralyzed, I say we revoke his U.S. citizenship, and ship him to Palenstine! See how he likes it then.
FORT HOOD, Texas – Mourners were asked to pray for the man authorities say went on a shooting spree at Fort Hood and his family, and an Army chaplain exhorted his congregation on Sunday to draw together even if the gunman’s motives may never be fully known.
“Lord, all those around us search for motive, search for meaning, search for something, someone to blame. That is so frustrating,” Col. Frank Jackson told a group of about 120 people gathered at the post’s chapel. “Today, we pause to hear from you. So Lord, as we pray together, we focus on things we know.”
Jackson asked worshippers to pray for the 13 dead and 29 wounded that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is accused of shooting, but also asked them to pray for Hasan and his family “as they find themselves in a position that no person ever desires to be.”
“And Lord, teach us to love and pray for those who rise up against us and pray for those who do us harm. We pray for Maj. Hasan. Asking that you do the work that only you can do in his life,” Jackson said.