Two takes on the prospects of a Sarah Palin presidential nomination in 2012, offered Sunday by participants on ABC’s “This Week” roundtable:
– “She’s a joke. I just can’t take her seriously. We’ve got serious problems in the country. . . . The idea that this potential talk show host is considered seriously for the Republican nomination. Believe me — it’ll never happen,” said New York Times conservative columnist David Brooks.
– “You cannot underestimate the degree to which women will be drawn to her story, and that’s who she’s speaking to. These are people who are ignored, who nobody counts into their thinking,” said Gwen Ifill, moderator of PBS’ “Washington Week.”
Meanwhile, only 28 percent of Americans surveyed think that Palin is qualified to be president, according to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll. And Newsweek is taking heat over its cover photo of Palin posing in running gear.
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Wonder if she would run for governor of Kansas?
The Moose Dresser herself through out the prospect of a Palin/Beck ticket in 2012!
Bring it on, CONs. Bring it on.
PDS thread of the day.
Pantschiitte away.
Depends on aisle 11.
From Think Progress –
” This afternoon, Fox News host Gregg Jarrett proudly announced that Sarah Palin is “continuing to draw huge crowds while she’s promoting her brand new book. Take a look at — these are some of the pictures just coming into us.” But the pictures that the network chose to display on-air appeared to be old file footage of Palin rallies from the 2008 presidential campaign. Individuals in the crowd are seen holding McCain/Palin signs, and others are holding pom-poms and cheering wildly. “There’s a crowd of folks,” an enthused Jarrett observed, referring to the old footage.”
The Pox Noise Channel is the primary source for WE Blog CON rhetoric.
Reality…not so much.
“New York Times conservative columnist David Brooks.”
Chucklesnort.
If Brooks is a conservative Pelosi would be a blue dog moderate.
Can everyone take off their red and blue jerseys for a minute and sit back and look at this without political party affiliation affecting their judgement?
First, dry, and old, McCain needed someone young, fresh, to energize his stale campaign.
So McCain found a young, pretty, female to exploit. It wasn’t her vast experience (although she had more than Obama) – it was being a pretty female.
Second, democrats [and others]are attacking a female for her looks (all the attention on the Newsweek cover is a perfect example). There are many discussion items or talking points that democrats have used based solely upon Palin being a female to exploit her.
I don’t know if it is possible for people to stop the physcial attacks (like those on Obama by a very few on his race). But it sure would be nice to here people posting and the media forgetting her being a mother, pretty, and femaile – and talk the issues.
Presently, Palin is everybodies hore. [sp]
here=hear
No Democrat complains about the Moose Dresser’s beauty.
In fact, it was Caribou Barbie herself who objected to the Newsweek cover; which she’d posed for a Runners’ World magazine hot-body spread.
You’re trying to push a straw man, “American_Way.”
Bible Spice gets in trouble when she opens her mouth.
“Don’t hate be ’cause I’m beautiful” may have sold mascara in that old ad campaign, but it’s not a qualification for the presidency.
All the Lib boys and their pal Won Han Huackin will enjoy yet another Palin thread.
“Regular” –
“Won Han Huackin?”
You’ll have to explain that to me.
I’m too busy trying to keep the tencil on the toad.
““You cannot underestimate the degree to which women will be drawn to her story,”
Really? Every little girl has a daddy who hands her warm, bloody moose eyeballs or wishes she did?
You gotta deal with the stuff the Moose Dresser comes up with.
Like yesterday when she said Michigan and Alaska are “…just alike, with the huntin’ and the fishin’ and the hockey moms!”
You Palinistas seem to be without shame.
I’d like to take this opportunity to voice my full support of Sarah Palin as the Republican candidate for president in 2012.
Palin/Bachmann!
Palin doesn’t mind repeating herself ad nauseum.
Obviously from the photo, newsweek photographer invaded her privacy as sarah was fixin to go jogging on the moose trail! Have they no shame?
Sarah Palin will not be the Republican party candidate for Presdient in 2012. I am not sure if the Democrats will be dismayed, or happy. They are the majority of people that seem to be obsessed with her.
Since all of the men have weighed in on this one I’ll give it a female perspective. MH is so over the top with his critic that he loses any credibility. There are many conservative men that I talk to that actually think she would be a much better prez that what we currently have. I have said before that I don’t think she has the experience to be prez but we do have a man there now with far fewer qualifications. She objected to the Newsweek cover because it was an old picture taken for a physical fitness magazine. Newsweek is many things but has nothing to do with physical fitness.
Right now the crowds love her. They are buying her book by the thousands. She has people camping out overnight just to see her.
In conclusion let the dems just keep keeping her name out there. Name recognition is 90% of the battle when you talk to marketing people. Companies pay millions to keep their name on peoples tongues.
Dems will move her right into the White House at this rate.
“They are buying her book by the thousands.”
Huh, I guess that is why it has that sticker “40% off publisher’s suggested retail” on the first day of its release?
Dems will move her right into the White House at this rate.
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Correct.
Is Palin ready to be Pres.? I dunno.
But hey, if America put a 1/2 black, “I take a stand on the issues and vote Present”, leftist radical, know-nothing about America, man……
Then I suppose we could elect a conservative woman.
The LIBs got their “Token”, perhaps we should have ours.
Anti I think you have hit the nail on the head with that one. It is ‘womans’ time to be in the White House. Forget qualifications and any other reason she would be good for the job.
Now if I can get 95% of the women behind her we have a winner.
Oh wait the libural women don’t like her. She looks like this and is a ‘mother’ of five. She votes her convictions. Her daughter had a baby out of wedlock and did’nt have an abortion. She is evil. Out of touch. She hangs out with other radicals. Oh that last one was a throwback to Obama. Well everything else makes her qualified.
Palin in 2012!!
Only 40%, I’ll have to wait for the deep discounts!
See ya at the Kansas Republican party caucus okie! I’ll be proud to do my part to make Palin your nominee.
Where did the sexist pigs at newsweek dig up a photo like that? Maybe it was photoshopped, yea, that’s the ticket.
In a “PC” America, it is only natural that Palin should be the next President. We should continue the PC election trend of King Obama.
BTW, I guess LIB Feminism is one way street….
I guess Palin can’t do much worse than the current or previous picks.
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okobserver
Posted November 19, 2009 at 8:55 am | Permalink
Anti I think you have hit the nail on the head with that one. It is ‘womans’ time to be in the White House.
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Hear, hear!!!
Okobserver, I see no reason why a woman shouldn’t be president. Would you support Hillary?
Seriously, I think Hillary has really looked good since the last election. She’s swallowed her pride and shown herself to be a real team player.
BlueJay,
Perhaps you should remind the readers of your sexist views.
Isn’t it you who believes Palin should not have a career and should stay home with the kids while her husband provides for the family?
Isn’t you who believes as a woman Palin should not be allowed to express her opinions? Instead she should be stuck in the house cooking and cleaning, not meddling in “man matters”.
Typical LIB hypocrisy.
Hmm..
From the header, “She’s bad news for….”
The environment? Librarians? Wolves who cannot outrun a helicopter?
People NOT firmly embedded in the 1950’s?
No, she’s bad news for any lingering perception that the Republican party is rational or relevant.
She’s swallowed her pride and shown herself to be a real team player.
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Well, when Obama isn’t undercutting her and bringing in Bill.
I do agree that Hill would have made a far better Prez than Obama.
Phantom
Posted November 19, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink
Where did the sexist pigs at newsweek dig up a photo like that? Maybe it was photoshopped, yea, that’s the ticket.
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Funny you should ask that question Phantom.
“If so, she had good reason — since, as DailyFinance has learned, the photographer who shot the picture violated his contract by reselling them to Newsweek.”
Just another man who sold his soul for a few pieces of silver.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/18/palin-photographer-breached-contract-with-sale-to-newsweek/
Me Thinks BJ is smitten with Palin he posts about her even when there isnt a thread on her.
XXX I have started to see Hillary in an entirely different light since the election. She has shown class and intelligence in all of her actions. She has been shoved to the back by Obama and was always misused by Bill. Yes I could support Hillary as our first woman prez. Of course with Palin on the conservative side that would be a wide open campaign. Even Hillary said last week that this is a woman she would like to sit down and talk with.
I’m starting to see a real chance for a ‘woman in the White House’ in my lifetime.
BJ if you are going to be taken as a serious poster then you have to do your homework. The ‘points’ you try to make have been disproved as dishonest journalism. Educate yourself on the points and then come back.
OK,
Seeing what we have now, Maybe Hillary would have been the best choice.She tends to say what she thinks without waiting to see which way the political winds are blowing. I see her as one who would take action on the pressing issues of today and not wait until it was politically expedient to do so. I would seriously consider giving her my vote should she run.
Free I fear you have hit on the truth. Palin is a formidable woman. She can do it all. Govern a state, leverage a big oil contract that pays each Alaskan a large sum of money every year, birth 5 chldren and still look good enough to appear on ‘Runners Weekly’ cover, handle the issue of a pregnant teen daughter, well the list goes on … But this probably does scare some of the lesser among us – men and women.
I’m SURE I could live up to your standards okie.
All I need is a lobotomy or a couple hundred hours huffing glue.
Duty call and I have to run – not shopping MH. Work.
ALL WOMAN TICKET IN 2012!!
okobserver
Posted November 19, 2009 at 9:17 am | Permalink
XXX I have started to see Hillary in an entirely different light since the election. She has shown class and intelligence in all of her actions. She has been shoved to the back by Obama and was always misused by Bill. Yes I could support Hillary as our first woman prez.
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Thanks for a very open-minded response, okobserver.
I agree.
The Moose Dresser doesn’t know the difference between Iran and Iraq –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7Xhg0WIbU&feature=player_embedded
But she was cute!
Monkeyhawk
Posted November 19, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink
The Moose Dresser doesn’t know the difference between Iran and Iraq –
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More important…Our President thinks there are 57 states, maybe more. Oh, and his Grandmother is “a typical White person”.
At least she has the 28%ers, which is all she’ll ever have in public opinion.
Sarah Palin gives Oprah biggest audience in two years
Oprah Winfrey’s interview with former vp candidate Sarah Palin scored the talk show host her highest rating in two years.
http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/11/sarah-palin-oprah-ratings-.html
I gotta admit, as much as it pains me to say it, that the woman keeps herself in excellent shape.
She’s way hotter than her teenaged daughters, Velcro and Tazer.
After the reich-wing clamored so long and loud about Obama’s birth certificate (which he posted on the effing internet), has anybody seen the birth certificate for Palin’s fifth child?
The one that nobody knew she was pregnant with, apparently?
That would clear up a few questions . . . like how she flew cross-continental while in labor.
dikwad……i mean cap’n…..glad you are pained…………..glad you could recognize hot………
cap’n……….you already are planning on her being president?
cap’n .have you already asked for obama’s childrens’ birth certificates?
CapnAmerica
Posted November 19, 2009 at 11:03 am | Permalink
I gotta admit, as much as it pains me to say it, that the woman keeps herself in excellent shape.
She’s way hotter than her teenaged daughters, Velcro and Tazer.
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Maybe Palin can give Obama’s kids Sha-Nay-Nay & Sha-knee-Quah some pointers so they don’t get ghetto booty.
Victor Davis Hanson does a great job on PDS.
As far as I’m concerned it’s simply a combination of bigotry and self-doubt. But Hanson does an exceptional job of fleshing that out. Read the whole thing.
snip
Feminists are enraged that her can-do, have a Down’s Syndrome child in her 40s, shoot-moose persona will be used as a paradigm of a liberated women. She is quite attractive, fertile, and married to a Jack-Armstrong 19th-century man.
Her success as an independent female, who was an up-from-the-bootstraps small-town council member, mayor, state regulator and governor, is antithetical to doctrinaire feminism. The latter devolved into a political and grievance-based creed. It is often whiny, and increasingly dominated by single, childless shrill elites. Many try to equate their own unhappiness in matters of family and sex into some sort of cosmic complaint against male patriarchy—as a way of leveraging influence, access, money, and power or simply justifying now regrettable life choices made in their 20’s and 30’s.
snip
Liberal elites are, well, deemed elites because they predicate their stature on things such as where they went to school, where they live, how much money they have access to, where their children attend university, and whom they know—all done in a sort of understated, coded fashion. The best snobbery is the least stated.
snip
Palin faces many of the same problems that sunk Reagan in 1976: the moderate Republicans think she is a shallow, superficial head-nodder, the way they wrote Reagan off in his quest to dethrone Ford. She earns as much resistance from Republican Old Guarders as she does the Obamians. In the elite center-right way of thinking, she knows little of foreign affairs and is not wonkish about domestic issues.
snip
Such is not an argument for anti-intellectualism or a dismissal of in-depth scholarship and research, but rather a reminder that Palin has led a full life than can be enhanced by more formal investigation. A chatty, rarified Obama misses dearly a concrete past, where he had to succeed or fail on his own merits, in a competitive unkind environment, where the muscular world often conspires against the intellectual.
And boy, it sure shows as we are learning in just 10 months of his uninspired governance.
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/palin-odes/
What happened to politicians children are off limits. Or that only if your last name is Obama or Clinton.
Capn you are lacking in social graces it would seem. Must be the people you are hanging out with.
“The kids are off limits.”
Heh, that’s a good one.
Especially if they get knocked up without the benefit of marriage.
Then they are totally off limits.
Especially don’t mention the need for birth control counselling!
But I must admit that it was a cheap shot to call the kids Velcro and Tazer.
I know full well their names are Grackle and Soccer.
Obama will likely teach ‘lil PlahCentah & Moneek how to properly snort a line of coke off of the hood of a Cadillac.
For those concerned, I am using the “Fairness Doctrine”.
Hey, Anti–
Have you ever been to any of Am_Way’s meetings? The ones where they salute the Nazi flag and bow to Hitler’s portrait and talk about “racial purity” and stuff?
Sounds like it’d be a good fit for ya, dude.
Have you ever been to any of Am_Way’s meetings? The ones where they salute the Nazi flag and bow to Hitler’s portrait and talk about “racial purity” and stuff?
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I don’t like Nazis.
Sorry you are offended by me showing the flip side of your own coin.
Okie sounds like that old commercial: “I can mix it right up here in the pan, cause I’ma a woooman, I’m a woooooman.”
kerry’s daughter arrested for DUI……them damn cons……..capn’n………go help monkey count to fifty……you will need bj and your shoes off
phantom……..go help cap’n
Kerry’s daughter arrested for DUI.
Yeah, and Bush arrested for DUI.
And Cheney arrested for DUI twice.
(Yawn)
Anti–
Glad to hear you don’t like Nazis.
Why do you like Am_Way then?
Short work day eh, “okobserver?”
MH–
LOL!
She was just leaving . . . to go interview more employees for her son’s small biz that is growing into a multinational corporation . . .
What was that from Hamburger Helper, maybe Sarah’s next stint will be a commercial for Moose Helper.
CapnAmerica
Posted November 19, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
MH–
LOL!
She was just leaving . . . to go interview more employees for her son’s small biz that is growing into a multinational corporation .
Guess it would be better for them just to sit around and wait for more hand outs from the rookie
so cap’n you want the birth certificates of obama’s kids or just palin’s?………..are you a racist?;
Guess it would be better for them just to sit around and wait for more hand outs from the rookie
Sorry, FreeB.
She’s not a Wall Street speculator . . . Geitner et al. only seem to want to give money to already rich people.
MH and Capn as with most dem libs you have no idea how capitalism works. I make my own hours and they sometimes go into the evening. I sometimes have to leave the office.
To bad that neither of you have ever been involved in starting and running a small business. These are those brave people who invest their own capital, put in long hours and create over 40% of all new jobs. You know those people who drive the economy so the libs can tax them more to support more ‘give to the poor’ programs that aren’t.
MH I really attempted for two days to treat you as if you could dialogue like an adult. You have shown me that isn’t possible. Thanks.
Capn I haven’t even attempted that with you because you have all the earmarks of a snobbish elitist who thinks he is better than the average bear because he has lots of money, lives in a big house, hobnobs with the political elitists, and can boat of his worldly travels.
Oh and while doing all of these things you can also feel the pain of the poor suffering hungry men and women fawning at your feet. Kick them a crumb every now and then and say ‘well done cap, you are a scholar and a gentleman’. Only in your own mind Cap, only in your own mind. They rest of us see you have no clothes.
Capn,
didnt say she was I want to know why you ridicule a person’s initiative?
Capn I haven’t even attempted that with you because you have all the earmarks of a snobbish elitist who thinks he is better than the average bear because he has lots of money, lives in a big house, hobnobs with the political elitists, and can boat of his worldly travels.
If his boy gets his way he wont be rich for long
It is kind of a far fetched story, your water breaks and instead of going to the hospital, or waiting for closer labor pains, you hop on to a jet and travel to Alaska.
Maybe she wanted to ensure trig would have automatic citizenship for the country of Alaska after the secession.
Kinda like the story I heard about President Obama, before being president. sat in the Reverend Wright’s church for twenty years and never heard or understood a word.
CapnAmerica
Posted November 19, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink
Anti–
Glad to hear you don’t like Nazis.
Why do you like Am_Way then?
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I don’t believe Am Way is a Nazi and I don’t think you do either.
Phantom
Posted November 19, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink
It is kind of a far fetched story, your water breaks and instead of going to the hospital, or waiting for closer labor pains, you hop on to a jet and travel to Alaska.
Maybe she wanted to ensure trig would have automatic citizenship for the country of Alaska after the secession.
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Of course Phantom as a woman who has given birth you would know all about this. Right?
Oprah begged Palin to come on so she could snuggle up to her girl-to-girl. Her ratings took a nose dive like the left media newspapers, magazines, and news channels.
They had a real love festival together kissing and making up.
As someone who edits photos daily, I can tell you that the photo of Palin in the header has been photoshopped (and not particularly well) within an inch of it’s life to remove wrinkles, inches and rolls horizontally and add a few inches vertically. The color saturation was also increased to the point of pain. That’s nowhere near the Palin you would see if you were standing where the photographer was. Newsweek should have sent the original over to Playboy- they do a much more convincing job of photo editing!
Jed and Newsweeks motive for making Palin look better than she actually looks would be what?
Sometimes its as if you guys don’t even read what you post.
I once met a Playboy centefold in real life, not “on character”. Not much more to look at than any “commoner” Photoshop does wonders
Jed
Posted November 19, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Permalink
As someone who edits photos daily, I can tell you that the photo of Palin in the header has been photoshopped
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All that from a picture that was lifted from one magazine to another then lifted to a thread header on a blog…..Yeah, I wonder why it looks a bit distorted…
Get a new hobby Jed.
lj,
Those Playmates are so edited their own mothers wouldn’t recognize them, which in some cases may be the object. Some of those photo editors could probably turn you into a centerfold!
Those Playmates are so edited their own mothers wouldn’t recognize them
-Jethro
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People made of plastic have mothers?
lj,
If you want to see what real photoshopping is, take a look at this British site:
http://www.humandescent.com/
Ant,
“People made of plastic have mothers?”
I’m not absolutely sure, but I believe that Playmates start out as real people and are then plastic coated and retinted and stretched and plumped and slimmed and have all their curves sanded and polished.
“Some of those photo editors could probably turn you into a centerfold!”
It would be bad. Reaaaal bad
…..are then plastic coated and retinted and stretched and plumped and slimmed and have all their curves sanded and polished.
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Kinda like a canoe.
Ant,
“Kinda like a canoe.”
Yeah, you got the idea. We’ve been doing it to the best of our abilities for an awful long time.
Google “Venus of Willendorf” and decide for yourself whether she’s an idol or Playmate of the Year for 24,000 BC (assuming there’s a difference andtaking into account changes in taste).
“Venus of Willendorf”
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Looks like a busted tube of biscuits.
lj,
“It would be bad. Reaaaal bad”
Don’t sell those editors short!
Ant,
Hey, those cavemen really dug biscuits! They’d no doubt disparage our ideal as way too skinny- cut a man like a flint razor!
“Stupid” is the cry of desperate people with no intelligent response.
FreeB writes that you have all the earmarks of a snobbish elitist who thinks he is better than the average bear because he has lots of money, lives in a big house, hobnobs with the political elitists, and can boat of his worldly travels.
Seriously?
1. I don’t now nor have I ever thought that I was better than anybody.
2. I don’t have lots of money.
3. My house is somewhat bigger than average, but I only bought it because it was a fixer-up-er.
4. I’ve met the governor twice, I heard Obama speak twice, and I worked on several local political campaigns.
I wouldn’t chacterize that as “hobnobbing” with politicians.
5. I don’t boast unless I’m having to defend myself against CONs like SolDev who claim that Libs don’t know and don’t have the resources to live a good life like they do.
If you want to think the worst of me, there’s not much I can do about it.
However, I can say that I think you’re wrong.
Anti writes, I don’t believe Am Way is a Nazi and I don’t think you do either.
I was surprised by it, yes, but I was forced to reach that conclusion.
Stormfront is the proto-hate site of all hate sites.
Nobody who’s not a racist would even go there. Nobody who’s not a Nazi would cite it as a source.
It’s like citing something from DemocraticUnderground and then saying, “but I’m not a liberal.”
Pray for Palin
Psalm 109
CapnAmerica,
In fairness to Freebird1971 it should be pointed out that he was quoting part of The Jealous One’s earlier post.
“I don’t believe Am Way is a Nazi and I don’t think you do either.”
You would be correct Anti, on both accounts. This seems to be the latest personal attack by the angel CapnAmerica (who posts about how terrible us cons are over on the lovely liberal lovefest blog).
Besides revealing CapnAmerica for the lowlife that he really is, and far from that great liberal white knight on a high carousel horse.
It also means I’ve won. Again.
FreeB (and Daniel)
Oops, you’re right . . . FreeB was just quoting Grandma Joad there.
I didn’t think that sounded like FreeB’s style, now I get it: another one of Grandma’s willful misrepresentations.
My bad.
CapnAmerica posts about how terrible us cons are over on the lovely liberal lovefest blog.
Really? That’s news to me. What do I say?
You notice that Am_Way makes no effort to explain why he uses Stormfront as a source or why he’s reading material from that website.
Here’s how Stormfront bills itself: Discussion board for pro-White activists and anyone else interested in White survival.
Here’s how Wikipedia describe it: Stormfront is a white nationalist and supremacist[1] neo-Nazi[2] Internet forum that has been described as the Internet’s first major hate site.[3]
Stormfront began as an online bulletin board system in the early 1990s before being established as a website in 1995 by former Ku Klux Klan leader and white nationalist activist Don Black. It received national attention in the United States after being featured as the subject of a documentary, Hate.com.
The burden of proof is now on Am_Way to convince the rest of us that he’s not a racist (or worse).
Good luck.
“Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin smacked the “lamestream media” on Wednesday for allegedly distorting what she writes in her book.
Speaking on Sean Hannity’s radio show, Palin said that “some on the left, that lamestream media, they’re contradicting what I wrote in the book.”
Hannity jumped in to ask, “did you say lamestream media?”
“Yeah, lamestream,” Palin responded. “They are contradicting those facts that I laid out regarding what Reagan had to say.”
CapnAmerica, instead of the word, “uses” try “used”.
I have posted dozens of links to a myriad of sources of information over the five years I have been posting here.
On that particular day, discussing “free obama money” I used many sources – just on that one subject alone.
I don’t have to prove anything to you or anyone else.
Try posting opinions for a change.
Sarah Palin’s book makes her a liar AND a bad writer.
“I don’t have to prove anything to you or anyone else.”
You can prove to me that you are not just another of “Regular”’s nics. That or stand accused. My reputation vs. yours?
American-Way
You don;t anything to prove to BLueJay. He has no reputation to uphold. He has twice now accused me of being another one of Regulars nics. I called him on it. I have offered a bet of $1000 that I am not. I have also dropped the stake, in order to call BlueJay out. First I dropped it to $500. then $100, then a public apology and 6 months off the weblog. No answer.
My advice…(not that you need it) ignore him and drive on.
“then a public apology and 6 months off the weblog.”
That would mean that “littlejohn”= donndublin.
And “American way”STILL = Regular
“then a public apology and 6 months off the weblog.”
That would mean that “littlejohn”= donndublin.
And “American way”STILL = Regular”
And BLueJay still all hat and no cattle.
Fine. Let’s go back to $1000.00
By the way, didn;t you say that donndublin was Regular? Seems like I remember that, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, how about it? $1000.00?
Or maybe, BlueJay = Regular?