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WASHINGTON — A group of conservative Republican leaders is proposing a solution to the internecine warfare over what the party should stand for: a 10-point checklist gauging proper adherence to core principles like opposing government financing for abortion and, more generally, President Obama’s “socialist agenda.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/us/politics/24repubs.html
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Republicans are competing with Democrats to see who can be least inclusive. Moderates in both parties are being driven toward the center?
A pox on both of your houses.
If Ronald Reagan were running today he’d be tea-bagged.
If Barry Goldwater were running today he’d be lynched.
Phantom
Posted November 23, 2009 at 5:17 pm | Permalink
Actually, we’re not surprised by the percentage, coming off of the absymal [sic] failure of the repubs and the capitalistic system,
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So, you believe that capitalism is a republican model? Really?
And what would you like to replace capitalism with?
Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of ‘Anthropogenic Global Warming’?
“If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)
When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:
Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more….”
And it goes on and on!
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
Where’s cosmos this morning.
EDITORIAL: Hiding evidence of global cooling
Junk science exposed among climate-change believers
“Scientific progress depends on accurate and complete data. It also relies on replication. The past couple of days have uncovered some shocking revelations about the baloney practices that pass as sound science about climate change.
It was announced Thursday afternoon that computer hackers had obtained 160 megabytes of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in England. Those e-mails involved communication among many scientific researchers and policy advocates with similar ideological positions all across the world. Those purported authorities were brazenly discussing the destruction and hiding of data that did not support global-warming claims. …
Most important, however, these revelations of fudged science should have a cooling effect on global-warming hysteria and the panicked policies that are being pushed forward to address the unproven theory. ”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/
Hey, has anybody seen cosmos????
“Republicans are competing with Democrats to see who can be least inclusive.”
Interesting conclusion, XXX. I suspect that it comes more from your preconcieved notions than from anythig factual in the NYT article.
The NYT article does not include the ten point list nor does it link to it. Therefore, you must make a few very big assumptions to conclude that by having to agree with 7 out of 10 of them would be non-inclusive.
The NYT merely characterizes a few of the ten points. It is merely another political hit piece without enough information to have an intelligent conversation concerning the ten points.
The anti science folks have degenerated to criminal behavior.
BEFORE their anti environmental lifestyles are made criminal.
Listen: Inhofe Says He Will Call for Investigation on “Climategate”
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=2188feb3-802a-23ad-4de4-3fbc0a92e126&Issue_id
Somebody better check on cosmos !!!
The anti science folks have degenerated to criminal behavior.
BEFORE their anti environmental lifestyles are made criminal.
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Have you ever seen a liberal that was so incredibly stupid that the other liberals started to notice?
LOL
6 billion human beings DO affect the environment of this planet that we all share. We all must act in ways to protect that environment and one another.
Whether that is convenient for SOME of us or not. PARTICULARLY if that is not convenient for some of the….less evolved….among us.
Have you ever seen a liberal that was so incredibly stupid that the other liberals started to notice?
chass? junior?
BJ, what a dunce you can be, nearly all mouth and no brain!
The criminal behavior was and is being committed by those propagating false and skewed science for their own agenda, and likely continued grant and research money.
That behavior is everything ’science’ is not supposed to be.
This is just too funny (except it isn’t), and look how many of of the intellectually elite and so called educators were taken in hook line and sinker.
Now on to the false conclusions of Darwin’s junk science and this health care debunkle.
“SolDevVB” asks –
“…what would you like to replace capitalism with?”
Compulsory tango lessons.
No, frankly, I don’t know.
Feudalism worked for a while then gave way to mercantilism.
Mercantilism cooked solid for a while until the capitalists stepped up.
Point is: feudalism and mercantilism had their run. Capitalism has been so distorted it’s not viable anymore.
Capitalism has been so distorted it’s not viable anymore.
Then it still comes down to what to replace it with and how. Chavez is going “socialist” taking over companies. MHO is he is a stones throw from going full on full out dictatorial communism.
The soviets tried that and failed miserably. R&D was a joke. There was no motivation to excel. The onlyest thing the Chinese choose to excel in is stealing patented designs and making things as absolutely cheap as possible with no concern for safety and or quality.
Doesn’t sound like a road Americans would like to take. My $0.02.
stone’s throw.
BREAKING: San Diego ACORN Document Dump Scandal
Mr. Lagstein (the head ACORN organizer in CA) stated: “…the attorney general is a political animal, but certainly every bit of the communication we have had with them has suggested that the fault will be found with the people that did the video and not the people with ACORN.”
Continuing, Mr. Lagstein stated: “…we are fully cooperating, some of the investigators visited our office this morning and I think they really understand what’s going on.”
Shockingly, we now learn that the ACORN office in National City (San Diego County) engaged in a massive document dump on the evening of October 9th, containing thousands upon thousands of sensitive documents, just days prior to the Attorney General’s visit….
ACORN’s political agenda is also exposed, with thousands upon thousands of documents revealing the depth of the political machine that is ACORN, and its disturbing ties to not only public employee labor unions but some of the most radical leftist organizations.
Over the weeks and months ahead, BigGovernment.com will continue to release information from this shocking document dump by ACORN, slowly revealing the ugly truth of ACORN: the fact that their stated mission of helping the poor and downtrodden is just a ruse and a cover for an organization that is highly partisan and highly political, and thus rotten to the core.
If California Attorney General Jerry Brown and United States Attorney General Eric Holder refuse to truly investigate ACORN, and if the mainstream media refuses to engage in the investigative reporting that they used to do, then it will continue to be up to citizen journalists and investigators to expose the dirty, rotten underbelly of ACORN.”
http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/23/breaking-san-diego-acorn-document-dump-scandal/
Gee, we just keep exposing more and more of these criminal, anti-American liberal Dim’ocrats.
What a sleaze party they have degenerated into, at least taken over by the slease.
If capitalism was so great?
How come everybody ended up working for it instead of it working for them?
Obama’s Nice Guy Act Gets Him Nowhere on the World Stage
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662822,00.html
“When he entered office, US President Barack Obama promised to inject US foreign policy with a new tone of respect and diplomacy. His recent trip to Asia, however, showed that it’s not working.
A shift to Bush-style bluntness may be coming.”
This is just too funny, didn’t little Barry campaign more on a “I’m NOT Bush” than anything of substance…..ah, yes I believe he did.
How come everybody ended up working for it instead of it working for them?
Most grown ups understand they have to work to support themselves. Some folks just like to hang out at home with their hands out whining about not getting more from those that do work.
The Dog Ate Global Warming
by Patrick J. Michaels
Patrick J. Michaels is a senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute and author of Climate of Extremes: Global Warming Science They Don’t Want You to Know.
Added to cato.org on September 24, 2009
This article appeared on National Review (Online) on September 23, 2009.
Interpreting climate data can be hard enough. What if some key data have been fiddled?
Imagine if there were no reliable records of global surface temperature. Raucous policy debates such as cap-and-trade would have no scientific basis, Al Gore would at this point be little more than a historical footnote, and President Obama would not be spending this U.N. session talking up a (likely unattainable) international climate deal in Copenhagen in December.
Steel yourself for the new reality, because the data needed to verify the gloom-and-doom warming forecasts have disappeared.
Patrick J. Michaels is a senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute and author of Climate of Extremes: Global Warming Science They Don’t Want You to Know.
More by Patrick J. Michaels
Or so it seems. Apparently, they were either lost or purged from some discarded computer. Only a very few people know what really happened, and they aren’t talking much. And what little they are saying makes no sense.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10578
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Heard this man in an interview yesterday. As you can see he nailed what is currently happening back in Sept. Thirty plus years in the field. Peer reviewed papers and after the dust settled appears to be much more right than all of cosmos’s ‘experts’.
Keith Olberman had the new Republican ten commandments on last night.
Word must be slow and confused on the right. (Usual for these days) I don’t have a lot of luck FINDING these new ten commandments. I DO remember that two of them are against gay marriage and abortion. SO, to be a good little Republican, you have to be against marriage between people who have done you no harm and against abortion WHILE you strongly advocate against health care.
Membership in the Republican party mandates that you be a a philosophical gymnast and a bigot. Well THERE’S a recipe for success! When no one wants to join your club, make sure your membership requirements include them out!
Loss of freedom is insidious. We need to keep that in mind as we consider current events. I think this conversation could use comment from the modern conservative role model…
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Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. – Ronald Reagan
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:28 am | Permalink
The anti science folks have degenerated to criminal behavior.
BEFORE their anti environmental lifestyles are made criminal.
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You must be talking about Algore who flies around the world on a private jet promoting his books full of lies and lives in a house using 12 times as much energy as the average household.
SEIU and ACORN.
Gotta love em.
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Administer an buttwhoopin to the people of Fresno.
http://www.breitbart.tv/bury-them-fresno-homecare-workers-describe-seiu-threats/
Here’s the Repubic Party’s purity test –
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/11/24/some-conservatives-push-a-purity-test-for-gop-candidates/
From that rad-lib Wall Street Journal.
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:28 am | Permalink
The anti science folks have degenerated to criminal behavior.
BEFORE their anti environmental lifestyles are made criminal.
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BlueJay
Posted September 18, 2008 at 7:34 am | Permalink
“The crap the Left has pulled with her e-mail accounts is just another example.”
I’m glad you brought that up desk jockey.
Crap? You mean like exposing that Palin was using a private email to conduct government business? Her staff encouraged her to do as such private records could not be subpoenaed?
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Bluejay it would appears that your ’strong principles’ are for sale to the lowest bidder. Sit back and enjoy.
Green activists vandalize Portland auditorium hours before Al Gore’s speech; spray paint ‘Climate Justice, Not CO2 Trading’
http://algorelied.com/?p=3114
Thanks Monkeyhawk.
And heeeeereee they are!
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Republican National Committee identifies ten (10) key public policy positions for the 2010 election cycle, which the Republican National Committee expects its public officials and candidates to support:
(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;
(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
(8) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing, denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership; and be further
Ten very good ‘commandments’ that I see. Don’t know which is non inclusive. BJ what this says on same sex marriage agrees to the letter with your prez. The abortion provision is what 86% of Americans say they support.
It would seem the repubs have a bigger tent at this point than the dems. Might be hope here.
I’m all for less spending. Who isn’t? Don’t see much here to disagree with.
Monkey and BJ you did good in posting this. Thanks.
Uh oh! I was wrong.
The unborn didn’t make the cut.THIS may be historic.
The right to preserve the suffering and dying of the poor is in there. Discriminating against gay people is in there. President Obama gets mentioned TWICE by name. Bash workers rights check!
But the precious unborn didn’t make the cut except as a secondary consideration.
Chuckle… The 10 RNC members (out of a total membership of 200) who are pushing this proposal quote President Reagan about welcoming diverse views, then wham… 10 litmus test questions requiring a score of 80% to pass and get RNC support. It won’t get anywhere.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Exiting-the-sinking-ship-71628877.html
Interesting article by Michael Barone about Kansas politics and ‘rats leaving a sinking ship’.
The “litmus” test:
(1) We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama’s “stimulus” bill;
Sounds good to me. Sure as hell wish they did that before they voted to release the funds.
(2) We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;
If the market doesn’t drive it, the government does. How is the USPS doing? Amtrack? Medicare? Social Security? Fail.
(3) We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
Same as above.
(4) We support workers’ right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
Take a peek at the linkie poo I posted above. Union strong arm tactics do not a fair election make.
(5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
So, they have to play by the rules. What’s wrong with that?
(6) We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
Jury is out for me on this one. I say bring them home. Every damn one of them.
(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
Fail. Stay out of other people’s back yards.
(8) We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
Fail. Let people be free.
(9) We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing, denial of health care and government funding of abortion;
Mostly agree. Government should not be providing abortions, but there are a hell of a lot bigger fish to fry than this issue alone.
(10) We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership;
100% agree.
So do I pass the test?
And in fairness, 80% agreement isn’t too unreasonable. But this is nothing new. Political parties do have guidelines. I think they are called platforms. You really should know what you stand for.
“5) We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;”
Just don’t ask us to look in our kitchens and gardens. Aint none of your business!
“(7) We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
Ronald Reagan sold weapons to Iran and george w bush eliminated Sadam Hussein who was the regional force that contained Iran.
Last week the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee voted 11-1 to pass the Kerry-Boxer cap-and-trade energy tax. Some of the Committee’s members wanted to delay that vote until the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) conducts a complete economic analysis of the bill’s expected costs to American consumers and the nation’s economy, but Committee Chairman Barbara Boxer refused to wait, arguing that EPA has already done a “full-blown analysis” of the legislation.
Not true, as you can see here.
This week Senator John Kerry, the lead author of the legislation, told the Senate Finance Committee that “the reason” we need to pass his cap-and-trade energy tax is that “over the last eight years, emissions in the United States of America in greenhouse gases went up four times faster than in the 1990s.” Also not true. In fact, he’s off by a factor of 32.
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2009/11/12/facts-are-stubborn-things/
Even George Monbiot, one of the fiercest media propagandists of the warming faith, admits he should have been more sceptical and says the science now needs to be rechecked:
Yes, the messages were obtained illegally. Yes, all of us say things in emails that would be excruciating if made public. Yes, some of the comments have been taken out of context. But there are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evidence here of attempts to prevent scientific data from being released, and even to destroy material that was subject to a freedom of information request.
Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication of work by climate sceptics, or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.
source:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/even_monbiot_says_the_science_now_needs_reanalyising/
Donn what is one more lie by Kerry? It makes you wonder if he believes these distortions he is spreading or if he is a spin merchant pushing the party line.
BJ come on – share with us. What do you have in your kitchen and what IS in your garden?
We won’t tell. One little question – do you have any landmines in that garden?
Man in Coma for 23-Years Heard Everything Said to Him
BRUSSELS (AP) – A man who emerged from what doctors thought was a vegetative state says he was fully conscious for 23 years but could not respond because he was paralyzed, his mother said Monday.
Rom Houben, 46, had a car crash in 1983 and doctors thought he had sunk into a coma. His family continued to believe their son was conscious and sought further medical advice.
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Another side to the argument on what is a real ‘vegetative’ state.
Q: Have you heard about McDonalds new socialist Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it.
Ouch.
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The picture that emerges is simple. In any discussion of global warming, either in the scientific literature or in the mainstream media, the outcome is always predetermined. Just as the temperature graphs produced by the CRU are always tricked out to show an upward-sloping “hockey stick,” every discussion of global warming has to show that it is occurring and that humans are responsible. And any data or any scientific paper that tends to disprove that conclusion is smeared as “unscientific” precisely because it threatens the established dogma.
For more than a decade, we’ve been told that there is a scientific “consensus” that humans are causing global warming, that “the debate is over” and all “legitimate” scientists acknowledge the truth of global warming. Now we know what this “consensus” really means. What it means is: the fix is in.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html
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There are times that “peer-review” becomes “groupthink,” and any opposing views are suppressed to protect the reputations – and grant funding – of proponents. It appears that is what was happening here.
“Concensus,” indeed.
The real shame is that so many on the “global warming” side, in the shrillness of their arguments and their demand for ideological/’scientific’ “purity,” abandoned or turned away many who were natural allies to their goals, even if skeptical (and justifiably so, it turns out) of the science.
AGW=Scientific Fraud in the pursuit of money.
Gee, eco-freaks and LIBs are greedy too.
Almost makes them human.
Does ANYONE remember a year when the first freeze came so late?
As in we haven’t had one yet?
As in we haven’t had one yet?
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Yes we have.
It killed my peppers.
I can remember years when I was much younger when it was even warmer than it is now.
Anti I was thinking the same thing. I left a plant out on the deck and its leafs turned black. I thought it was because of a freeze but didn’t want to argue because I wasn’t sure.
“Does ANYONE remember a year when the first freeze came so late?
As in we haven’t had one yet?”
It happened over a month ago dude, at least 40 miles east of Wichita it did. 3 times if I’m not mistaken.
“It killed my peppers.”
Maybe they committed suicide.
My impatients, geraniums, peppers, tomatoes etc. seem fine. We are almost a month overdue for the first regional hard freeze.
Bluejay sings…
There’s something happening here….
My impatients, geraniums, peppers, tomatoes etc. seem fine. We are almost a month overdue for the first regional hard freeze.
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Well it froze on the West side, maybe you are surrounded by urban heat reflectors.
Of course, we have to remember that it is not JUST about it being warmer when it is supposed to be cold.
It’s also about it being cold when it is supposed to be warm. And then there are the insects and wildlife I see that I never remember seeing before even though I have lived my whole life here. Play dice with the environment and you don’t know what you’re gonna get.
Yep, we are having a late freeze this year. I recall picking tomatoes for Thanksgiving a while back. Looks like that is going to end tonight.
There was a freeze a couple or three weeks ago. At least that was an ice-like substance on the windshield of my car.
“Well it froze on the West side,”
I’ll tell the flowers I still see over there that they are supposed to be dead.
Since cosmao is absent right now and probably getting his talking points from “Hide the decline” Mike Mann, I’ll coment on BJ’s vast knowledge on 1st grade science.
BJ your public housing garden in Wichita does not = global.
I’ll tell the flowers I still see over there that they are supposed to be dead.
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You do that.
And then there are the insects and wildlife I see that I never remember seeing before even though I have lived my whole life here – Bj
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Bj those flees and lice you have are affected by your “island effect warming”.
BlueJay,
Some plant are less susceptible to a freeze, it’s science.
My geraniums, onions, and strawberries were unaffected by the frost.
Peppers, dead.
My windshield has had ice on it three times so far.
Sol, This is right up your alley.
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This is a new thread for updates on the analyses of the data and code freed from CRU.
Everybody, I’m sinking under weight of things to do here. I need you to post one or two line analyses of what you are finding in which bits of code. I’ll transfer these to the main post as they come in. It needs to be in layman’s language and to have a link to your work.
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/23/the-code.html
Anti-science behavior by scientists. I’m not suprised, but I am disappointed. The same type of anti-science behavior as shown below is documented by Stein’s documentary about the treatment of scientists not toeing the Darwinian line on common descent theory.
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“And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.
“This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the “peer-reviewed literature”. Obviously, they found a solution to that–take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering “Climate Research” as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”
“I will be emailing the journal to tell them I’m having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor.”“It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I’ve had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice !””
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
Cosmos must be squatting, rocking back and forth in a corner somewhere.
“Global Warming” is Man-Made after all.
There is a colossal scandal erupting in the blogosphere, and in the better media. Someone, probably an insider offended by what he saw was going on, leaked a large volume of emails from within the global warming priesthood centred within the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, UK.
These show a pattern of manipulation, suppression and selection of data and evidence all designed to create and maintain the global warming myth.
http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/man-made.pdf
LONDON — The pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline says it has advised medical staff in Canada to not use one batch of swine flu vaccine for fear it may trigger life-threatening allergies.
GlaxoSmithKline spokeswoman Gwenan White said Tuesday the company issued the advice after reports that one batch of the swine flu vaccine might have caused more allergic reactions than normal.
She says the affected batch contains 172,000 doses of the vaccine. She declined to say how many doses had been administered before the advice to stop using them was given.
White says GlaxoSmithKline wrote to Canadian healthcare professionals advising them to stop using the batch on Nov. 18. She says a total of 7.5 million doses of the vaccine have been distributed in Canada.
A lot of good reading.
http://www.climatedepot.com/
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/121068/thumbs/r-OBAMA-AFGHANISTAN-huge.jpg
It was 78° F in 1966 here in Wichita on Nov 23, about 20 degrees warmer than the average temperature this year.
Some of the warmest weather locally occurred in the 1890s, long before there were any co2 producing automobiles or coal plants used for electricity.
Amazing DavidB,
Obama sitting at a table talking!
OMG, isn’t he the greatest!!!
The First President to sit at a table and talk!!!
I’m so excited and full of Hope!!!
Oh yeah, and he’s Black too!!!!!
Donn,
Thanx for the link. Going through it and yes, the code is a mess. Antiquated and tortured. Tortured to produce a predefined result. I have as yet not downloaded the zip file for fear of some greenie hackers lacing it.
The CRU has admitted that they were hacked. They have admitted the emails look real. That is damning in and of itself. But the crux is the data and the code. This is the true smoking gun, should it be the actual code CRU is/was using.
Problem being, I am betting they have some coders mainlining caffeine at the moment fixing the code. The CRU will “explain” that the code delivered via Russia was “old code” or never used.
The truth will be shown when the true data is released and fed into what they will call the “current” code base. Let’s see what results that produces.
Lord Lawson calls for public inquiry into UEA global warming data ‘manipulation’
Lord Lawson, the former chancellor, has called for an independent inquiry into claims that leading climate change scientists manipulated data to strengthen the case for man-made global warming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/globalwarming/6634282/Lord-Lawson-calls-for-public-inquiry-into-UEA-global-warming-data-manipulation.html
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ANTI
Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:26 am | Permalink
Cosmos must be squatting, rocking back and forth in a corner somewhere.
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Could we be rid of the Pest?
David I am inpressed. Obama at a table. Talking. Communicating. About Afganistan. Wonder if we will get a decision from this meeting before New Years?
Could we be rid of the Pest?
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I doubt it.
I’m guessing he is searching thinkproduce.org for a rebuttal.
More ClimateGate Fallout: Prominent German Scientist Declares ‘Compromised’ UN Scientists should be excluded from IPCC and Peer-Review Process
Professor Hans von Storch http://coast.gkss.de/staff/storch/: There are a number of problematic statements, which will be discussed in the media and the blogosphere. I found the style of communication revealing, speaking about other people and their ideas, joining forces to “kill” papers, exchanges of “improving” presentations without explaining.
Another conclusion could be that scientists like Mike Mann, Phil Jones and others should no longer participate in the peer-review process or in assessment activities like IPCC. [...]
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/4009/More-ClimateGate-Fallout-Prominent-German-Scientist-Declares-Compromised-UN-Scientists-should-be-excluded-from-IPCC-and-PeerReview-Process
Could someone on the left check on Cosmos. He has never been silent this long when the subject is global warming.
I think cosMAO is looking for a free-range Turkey.
Unfortunately, the GORACLE already has plans for the holidays.
hehehe
I think I’m starting to understand what ’scientific consensus’ means!
It means lie about and hide any data that does not support the consensus!
Cosmos is probably busy deleting all the sources of the AGW lies on his computer!
Perhaps cosMao is in mourning for the death of “cap and trade”.
RIP
Maybe Cosmo went to check BJ’s flowers since they havent frozen and could be concrete proof of global warming
A 2 hour documentary, “The Great Global Warming Swindle”:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5576670191369613647#
Monkeyhawk must have let Cosmo sleep in this morning.
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 8:56 am | Permalink
Does ANYONE remember a year when the first freeze came so late?
As in we haven’t had one yet?
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BJ has taken cosMao’s place in defending AGW. roflmao
Pleefer
Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:35 am | Permalink
A 2 hour documentary, “The Great Global Warming Swindle”:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5576670191369613647#
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Shock: Et tu Robert Redford? Greenie Sundance Channel airs ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ film (aired Nov. 17)
http://www.sundancechannel.com/films/500538945
This (click me) appears to be one of the more damning pieces of ill gotten booty. This is a log from one or more developers re the code, data and complete and utter lack of organization working at CRU.
Yes, the difference is a lot more than seven! And the program helpfully dumps a listing of the surplus stations to the log file. Not a pretty sight.
Unfortunately, it hadn’t worked either. It turns out that there are 3518 stations in
each database with a WMO Code of ‘ 0′. So, as the makedtr program indexes on the
WMO Code.. you get the picture. *cries*
“BJ has taken cosMao’s place in defending AGW. roflmao”
Don’t have to.
The debate is over. We WILL adapt to live in more ecologically friendly ways. Some of us will need …encouragement. But we WILL change the American culture of waste and environmental abuse and neglect.
Here’s one of the hacked emails about one of cosmao’s favorite sources, Real(fake)Climate. No wonder he’s too embarassed to show up today.
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From: Michael E. Mann, Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:51:53 -0500
Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, and we’ll be very careful to answer any questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.
http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2009/11/rolo-compressor-de-verdades.html
Took a look over at realclimate.org. They are way behind the power curve on this. They are doing their level best to spin the emails. I think that is what the public will latch onto first being intimidated by code and data.
They aren’t doing a very good job with that. They will really be in a pickle when they start trying to spin the code and data.
Popping the corn now. I think I’ll just sit back and watch now. I am betting this goes on for at least a year.
What these a**holes have done: blown a hole in science. No, when they actually do find something that is important, who will believe them?
I hope there is jail time for the fraudsters.
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The debate is over.
Why, yes. Yes it is. The fraud has been uncovered.
The debate is over.-BlueJay
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Now you are just making yourself look silly.
As for National Healthcare, does anyone happen to know any of the details of the National Health Plan?
- What is covered?
- What is excluded?
- What is the premium amount?
-What is the co-pay?
-What is the maximum out-of pocket?
-What is the lifetime coverage limit?
- What is the deductible?
- Can you choose your doctors?
- Can you choose your hospitals?
- Are 2nd opinions covered?
- What service level mandates are there to ensure
timeliness and quality of health care?
- Can you keep your current private plan forever?
- Can you choose a different private plan in the future?
- How does the National Plan contain costs while preventing a massive doctor and nursing shortage?
- How much will the National Plan cost the taxpayer?
- Are pre-existing conditions covered?
Don’t worry if you can’t answer the questions, Barack Obama is here to take care of you!
Will all the dominoes tumble? Will this administration have the fortitude to go after Hansen et al as well? His code is even worse than the CRU. How much has he fudged the data? Will we ever know?
Will obama have the fortitude to pursue it?
Will obama have the fortitude to pursue it?
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No.
It doesn’t fit his agenda.
Obama will continue as if AGW is a proven fact.
The lie benefits him and his crew, and hurts the American people.
I sadly agree Anti.
The longer this just sits, the more dumping/correcting/hiding etc is allowed to happen. Why is there such a time lag between discovery and investigation? These places should be shut down and sealed until they can be formally investigated. Charges need to be filed.
“as if AGW is a proven fact.”
I do believe that HAS been established.
Well, except for fossil fuels shills and a few assorted crackpots. To deny the human impact on the environment of this planet can only be motivated by greed or outright stupidity.
Obama and crew’s agenda is making the American Citizen dependant on the .gov.
The AGW pseudo-science and propaganda is a part of that agenda.
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink
“as if AGW is a proven fact.”
I do believe that HAS been established.
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You likely also believe “The Blair Witch Project” was a documentary.
I do believe that HAS been established.
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAH
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/23/the-code.html
The debate is over. We WILL adapt to live in more ecologically friendly ways. Some of us will need …encouragement. But we WILL change the American culture of waste and environmental abuse and neglect.- BJ
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What debate are you talking about?
The socialists change the debate every time they’re exposed for using junk science to promote their agenda.
“- Can you choose your doctors?
- Can you choose your hospitals?
- Are 2nd opinions covered?” [Johnson]
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Answers:
Yes
Yes
Yes
Who is we?
ANTI
Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:21 am | Permalink
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink
“as if AGW is a proven fact.”
I do believe that HAS been established.
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You likely also believe “The Blair Witch Project” was a documentary.
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Dam – I have to recatalog my Non-fiction library now.
The MSM is remarkably silent on this. Could it be their red faces for believing so blindly? junior is just too stupid to be embarrassed. I’d love to hear chass’ take on this.
coooooooooooooosmoooooooooooooooooo!?!
Oh coooooooooooooOOOOOOOoooooosmooooooooo!?!
test…
Sol, what are you babbling about??
Chas is in the wilderness again…
I don’t think I need to say anything more about the intellect or maturity of the deniers of science than they so amply say about themselves in their posts here. What a sad America they must believe in where progress is a bad thing and environmental destruction is a virtue. Fortunately, they are in a distinct and shrinking minority.
It is very human to be nervous about change. It is irrational to fight change that is beneficial.
Reading. Try it sometime.
Donn… would you please define Socialist?
Sol, what are you talking about? What is my take on “What”??
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink
I don’t think I need to say anything
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That would probably be best.
Chas,
Sol is reading the entries on the coding ‘foopahs’ that Hadley CRUH made in programming for the climate models.
Some of it is just incompetence, others is plain criminal conspiracy and of course data was lost and mixed up (day temperature readings put in monthly temperature readings and averaged – i.e. apples and oranges)
Data was just ignored if they fell outside of IPCC temperature published temperature agenda.
All of this makes a Mob bookkeeper skimming the books look like an angel.
BJ, No one denies the impact of humans on the environment. I’ve done more in my work at negating and preventing that impact in the last year than you have in a lifetime.
This has nothing to do that. It’s about high jacking science to promote a political agenda.
BJ done drank the purple Kool-Aid at the Church of Climatology. He’s done. Don’t waste your time. He’s won’t be squatting in a corner rocking back and forth cause he’s not bright enough to understand that there’s a problem.
These are the people that say they can tell you the temperatures in the world to tenths of a degree :
OK.. step 1. Modified auminmaxmatch.for to produce auminmatch.for. Hit a semi-philosophical problem: what to do with a positive match between a bulletin station and a zero-wmo database station? The station must have a real WMO code or it’ll be rather hard to describe the match!
Got a list of around 12,000 wmo codes and stations from Dave L; unfortunately there was a problem with its formatting that I just couldn’t resolve.
So.. current thinking is that, if I find a pairing between a bulletin station and a zero-coded Australain station in the CRU database, I’ll give the CRU database station the Australian local (bulletin) code twice: once at the end of the header, and once as the WMO code *multiplied by -1* to avoid implying that it’s legitimate. Then if a ‘proper’ code is found or allocated later, the mapping to the bulletin code will still be there at the end of the header. Of course, an initial check will ensure that a match can’t be found, within the CRU database, between the zero-coded station and a properly-coded one.
Debated header formats with David. I think we’re going to go with (i8,a8) at the end of the header, though really it’s (2x,i6,a8) as I remember the Anders code being i2 and the real start year being i4 (both from the tmean database). This will mean post-processing existing databases of course, but that’s not a priority.
A brief (hopefully) diversion to get station counts sorted. David needs them so might as well sort the procedure. In the upside-down world of Mark and Tim, the numbers of stations ontributing to each cell during the gridding operation are calculated not in the IDL gridding program – oh, no! – but in anomdtb! Yes, the program which reads station data and writes station data has a second, almost-entirely unrelated function of assessing gridcell contributions. So, to begin with it runs in the usual way:
“The MSM is remarkably silent on this. Could it be their red faces for believing so blindly? junior is just too stupid to be embarrassed. I’d love to hear chass’ take on this.”-Sol
No, they aren’t covering these emails in the hopes that America’s collective memory will be proven again to be short-termed.
They are hoping that a bigger celebrity dies or some other “shocking scandal” comes into play to cover this up quick-like. And I’m sure that they’ll get some “real” scandal soon.
Maybe Britney will shave her head again…
Thanks Reg…
IF errors have been made, they should be noted as errors… And either corrected, or removed from the findings. Simple matter…
I’m not following the AGW thing much… We have enough pollution that needs to be fixed. One area is right in Kansas… Southeast part of the State, I believe… Its sort of hard to ignore pollution… Whether it is causing AGW or not…
Maybe Britney will shave her head again…
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Or maybe she’ll get knocked up by Rachel Maddow.
Chas
Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink
Donn… would you please define Socialist?
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Socialists are those pushing the “cap and tax”, bigger gov, UN dominated, ect, ect, ect.
“Or maybe she’ll get knocked up by Rachel Maddow.”-Anti
AHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Chas: We have enough pollution that needs to be fixed.
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That I can agree with.
There is so much ground leaching and air contaminants (real contaminants) that resolving those will take several lifetimes to solve.
Instead, countries have been hoodwinked into creating a fictional bogey man for the purpose of controlling power.
It’s a power control grab – not science – has very little to do with concern about climate.
For human caused global warming to have been so TOTALLY and suddenly discredited, ol’ fatmouth Rush is sure worked up!
ANTI
Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:42 am | Permalink
Maybe Britney will shave her head again…
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Or maybe she’ll get knocked up by Rachel Maddow.
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Wheeee!
roflmao!
“It’s a HOAX! IT IS A HOAX!!” Rush rants.
In between telling us about how he PROUDLY air conditions his garage.
Don’t worry Rush. The choir IS listening. But not much of anybody else.
Don’t worry Rush. The choir IS listening. But not much of anybody else.
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Well you’re listening, Sparkplug.
I’m not following the AGW thing much… We have enough pollution that needs to be fixed. One area is right in Kansas… Southeast part of the State, I believe… Its sort of hard to ignore pollution… Whether it is causing AGW or not… – Chas
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You’re right chas. I worked on several projects in that area since 1978.
It appears the jury is still out of AGW. It’s too bad the warmists have muddied the waters so much it will take us some time to sort it all out.
Chas
Posted November 24, 2009 at 11:23 am | Permalink
“- Can you choose your doctors?
- Can you choose your hospitals?
- Are 2nd opinions covered?” [Johnson]
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Answers:
Yes
Yes
Yes
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Which section of the Bill contains those answers?
Or is this your typical “Obama said so” wet dream answer?
Sounds like no more wingnut winging it from the Repub wingman bush, in Afghanistan.
Obama said after thanksgiving he’ll announce a comprehensive strategy, and he intends to finish the job there.
We don’t need to listen to Rush. Bj will do it for us.
Britan starting an Iraq war inquiry, this should be interesting as they confirm what the libs have been saying for years.
Britan starting an Iraq war inquiry,
What are they inquiring? They don’t trust obama to do the job correctly?
Lowest Rating Yet For Obama
Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15. This is the lowest Approval Index rating yet measured for President Obama
11/24/2009
Strongly Approve: 27%
Strongly Disapprove: 42%
Approval Index: -15%
Total Approve: 45%
Total Disapprove: 54%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
Hey Phantom…
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/11/open-thread-1124-2/#comment-697464
Dammnn. Now I won’t be able to make my fortune selling carbon credits. My work with geothermal systems, ground and waste water cleanup, and wind mill generators is worth something or at least it was.
I guess I’ll have do it the old fashion way and earn it.
SolDevVB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
Hey Phantom…
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/11/open-thread-1124-2/#comment-697464
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He’ll never admit to being Socialist.
He’s Progressive.
I’m just sayin’…
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=061006_Ne_A1_Inhof10315&archive=yes
and on another occasion…
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/02/Senators-plane-makes-emergency-landing/UPI-55531228253689/
Maybe this climate-science denier oughta stop flying?
Anybody heard what Algore is saying now?
I’d assume they’re inquiring into the lies and deceit ob the bush admin., and if there was collusion by brown.
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The New York Times has covered the stolen e-mails story at least back to the 20th.
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/private-climate-conversations-on-display/
The Washington Post covered it the 22nd
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/21/AR2009112102186.html
Sorry, it’s just not that big story to warrant 24/7 coverage.
The Brits had their own intelligence. More power to them if that is what they are doing. Sounds more like they, as the rest of the world has, has lost confidence in America due to this administration. Time will tell though. You have a link to where you got the story?
So Phantom, what should we change to if we followed your advice and dropped capitalism? How will we accomplish the move?
Sounds more like they, as the rest of the world has,
hashave lostUntil you can define what a ’socialist’ is, maybe one should not use it to describe another person.
Ouch!
They fear the “S” word!
Will al-Gore and the IPCC give back their Nobel, and more notably, the award money and the massive profits they made from the fraud?
so·cial·ism (s?’sh?-l?z’?m)
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Silliness.
The word socialist is obviously defined as and is in fact code word for the “N-word”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwMKPdvRIMI
Duh.
How many of you beleive in these principles?
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
When someone walks like a Socialist,
And Quacks like a Socialist,
They are likely a Socialist.
The Democratic Promise: Saul Alinsky and His Legacy
Few know it today, but Chicago was the birthplace of a powerful grassroots social movement that changed political activism in this country.
“Community Organizing” was pioneered in Chicago’s old stockyards neighborhood by the soberly realistic, unabashedly radical Saul Alinsky.
http://www.itvs.org/democraticpromise/alinsky.html
I am a supporter of #10 Free education for all children in public schools.
I like the Socialist top ten a LOT better than the con 10 commandments.
“I like the Socialist top ten a LOT better than the con 10 commandments.”-Bleucheese
Noooo?
Chicago has a long, rich history of citizen participation. And????
Run off and look for commies under beds with Todd Tiahrt. You have nothing to contribute but name-calling.
What is JJ position on #10 – does he stand with the Socialists in wanting an education for all children?
Funding the climate fraud…
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/cru_files_betray_climate_alarm.html
Obama is a socialist.
I like it how John Holdren is so deeply involved in this Climategate thing. Good ol’ “Dr. Death” doesn’t disappoint.
And you pleefer, are a happy serf. Has it never occurred to you we might need to steer left to go right? We’re a lot closer to feudalism than to socialism.
Has it never occurred to you we might need to steer left to go right?
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We have an owner’s manual that tells us how to steer, let’s get back to using it.
According to the Washington Post to-day, Lou Dobbs is exploring the possibility of running for President.
Looks like the Dems want to punish Americans for investing their money in the economy. More Taxes!
Democrats push $150B stock tax on Wall Street
http://thehill.com//homenews/house/69295-dems-push-wall-street-150b-stock-tax
Que Nirvana’s “Rape Me”
There are many folks around who still think the United States Postal Service is a branch of the federal government; the following is info about how that has no longer been accurate since July 1, 1971:
“As a part of the ensuing reform, the Post Office Department officially became the United States Postal Service on July 1, 1971. At that time it became an independent establishment of the executive branch of the government of the United States rather than a part of the cabinet. It began operating more like a corporation, but with the benefit of the official mail monopoly that was established under the Private Express Statutes in 1792. Package delivery and express services do not fall under this law, making it possible for other companies to offer those services.”
The ultimate serf is one who depends on the government for their basic needs instead of earning them
At that time it became an independent establishment of the executive branch of the government of the United States
How is that “not part of the Federal Government”?
This is an article about the global warming scam coming from Portland. Green country?
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d24-Global-warming-corruption-and-unethical-scientists
JimJohnson: If you had lived in the conditions that prompted that manifesto you would have signed on in a moment, just as telling the masses to unite for they only had their chains to loose. Go read something in its’ entirety instead of taking from context socio-economic writings of conditions you could never fathom.
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
Chicago has a long, rich history of citizen participation. And????
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Indeed –
Al Capone
Angelo Genna
Sam Giancana allegedly fixed the 1960 presidential election in favor of John Kennedy for Cook County.
Black Ganster Disciples
George Ryan, former Governor, racketteering charges sentence six years
Joseph Lombardo – Life sentence
Maurice Enright, Chicago labor racketeer
Jim Colosimo, Chicago gambling racketeer
John Wayne Gacy
Lou Dobbs …running for President?
YES YES YES YES, PLEASE. Let’s split that right wing vote into as many tiny splinter groups as possible.
Although he may be 1/10th Socialist, believing in education and all…
By the way, we are vastly amused at the Reagan Purity Oath currently being circulate in the Beltway that Reagan himself did not live up to….
I want education for ALL children in America. I just don’t want the gawddammed federal Department of Education or it’s equally useless and even degrading “No Child Left Behind” nonsense.
If we didn’t need a Federal education department until 1980, we never needed one at all.
Here are some good quotes by T. Jefferson on public education:
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1370.htm
These indoctrination centers that we have in America, today, are the furthest thing from educational institutions as any institution could be.
Now, an inquiry into the war — the most sweeping to be undertaken by any nation involved in the invasion — may finally help Britain put the conflict to rest. The so-called Iraq Inquiry is nominally charged with suggesting how to avoid making mistakes in future conflicts, buy many Brits believe it has the potential to evolve into a sort of truth and reconciliation commission. Although legally non-binding, the inquiry will over the course of the next 18 months focus on three of the most contentious aspects of the war: the circumstances surrounding the flawed intelligence gathering that led to the conflict, the rushed planning for the invasion and the lack of a coherent post-war reconstruction plan. ”
Maybe we’ll get the rest of the story.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1942730,00.html?xid=rss-world
I’d said brown earlier, I meant blair the bush lap dog.
SDS
Industrial Workers of the World (the Wobblies – the WWW)
Samuel Gompers
And old Alphonso DID run soup kitchens and fed the hungry. during the Great Depression.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
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I’m for a voucher system, with parents receiving a voucher from their State Government, in the amount that is presently allocated for Public Schools. This voucher may be used by the parent to send their child to ANY school.
I’m for Freedom, and Choice, for Parents in educating their children. I’m not for the Federal Government telling us what to do from cradle to grave.
Ya Libs didn’t care for No Child Left Behind, that involved the Federal Government telling us how to educate our children. I’m not for that either.
You Libs apparently want the Government to continue to force parents to send their kids to cr ap py schools based on some arbitrarily drawned school boundaries. The result – inner city kids remain trapped in cr ap py inner city schools, in spite of (or because of) Billions of Federal dollars being used to ‘improve’ education.
That money didn’t improve Education, but it did make the NEA happy.
DavidB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:08 pm | Permalink
Run off and look for commies under beds with Todd Tiahrt. You have nothing to contribute but name-calling.
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What does your 1:08 comment contribute?
Come on, JJ. “free education for children”.. yea or nay?
No Child Left Behind was a deliberate attempt to keep everyone dumbed down.
An enlightened and educated population is a threat.
“free education for children”..
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Who pays for that?
Jim
I’m for abolishing tenure for teachers. They should be evaluated yearly and if they produce they stay if they don’t ,sucks to be them.
ANTI
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
Has it never occurred to you we might need to steer left to go right?
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We have an owner’s manual that tells us how to steer, let’s get back to using it.
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And that manual also tells the Federal and State Governments when NOT to steer at all.
And that manual also tells the Federal and State Governments when NOT to steer at all.
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Yep.
Some didn’t read the manual and I fear that will leave us hung up on the rocks.
“Even the tobacco companies never tried to slander legitimate cancer researchers”
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/11/even_the_tobacco_companies_nev.php#more
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Another one of cosMoa’s favorite blogs is going back to using the “red herring” evil tobacco companies to spin the news.
sursum
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:36 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson: If you had lived in the conditions that prompted that manifesto you would have signed on in a moment, just as telling the masses to unite for they only had their chains to loose. Go read something in its’ entirety instead of taking from context socio-economic writings of conditions you could never fathom.
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Are you really going down the path (again) to show how much you love Socialism?
You can’t make this schiet up.
Climateprogress is practicly ignoring the disclosure of fraud at the CRU and is still promoting the IPCC as a reliable source.
http://climateprogress.org/
SOCIALISM!!!!
Who let the mad dogs out?
MH,
Wodered where you were. Thought maybe you were forming an exploratory commision for your campaign for governor
Monkeyhawk
Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
SOCIALISM!!!!
Who let the mad dogs out?
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I prefer Dogo Argentino.
janeeyre
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
There are many folks around who still think the United States Postal Service is a branch of the federal government; the following is info about how that has no longer been accurate since July 1, 1971:
“As a part of the ensuing reform, the Post Office Department officially became the United States Postal Service on July 1, 1971. At that time it became an independent establishment of the executive branch of the government of the United States rather than a part of the cabinet. It began operating more like a corporation, but with the benefit of the official mail monopoly that was established under the Private Express Statutes in 1792. Package delivery and express services do not fall under this law, making it possible for other companies to offer those services.”
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Independent from Government, huh?
Can the Postal Service be Saved?
With Losses Mounting, Postal Service Seeks Autonomy, Pushes to Cut Saturday Service; Rep. Danny Davis Calls for a Bailout
It’s been an ugly few years for the United States Postal Service.
The quasi-government agency announced this week that it lost $3.8 billion in the most recent fiscal year, which ended September 30th. It also delivered less mail – 26 billion fewer pieces less, a nearly 13 percent drop from the previous year. The bad news follows losses totaling $7.8 billion in 2007 and 2008.
The Postal Service, as it is quick to point out, is legally prohibited from taking tax dollars. But in order to stay afloat, the agency has been actively borrowing from the U.S. Treasury: At last count, according to Postal Service spokeswoman Yvonne Yoerger, it owes the government $10.2 billion.
Federal law dictates that the Postal Service can borrow up to $3 billion per year – but the debt cannot grow beyond $15 billion. That means that while the agency, which had revenues of $68.1 billion last year, could potentially borrow another $3 billion in 2010, it will soon no longer be able to legally borrow billions from the government.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/politics/main5711797.shtml
I Smell Another Bailout Coming from Our Socialist President Obama
You can’t make this schiet up.
The lib website climateprogress is practicaly ignoring the fraud exposed at the CRU.
http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/24/hackergate-hacked-cru-emails-climategate/
DavidB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:50 pm | Permalink
SDS
Industrial Workers of the World (the Wobblies – the WWW)
Samuel Gompers
And old Alphonso DID run soup kitchens and fed the hungry. during the Great Depression.
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Not only does David defend Socialists, he defends Al Capone too!
hey can anyone tell me why faux news is the only news station available at Wesley?
Freebird1971
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
Jim
I’m for abolishing tenure for teachers. They should be evaluated yearly and if they produce they stay if they don’t ,sucks to be them.
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Agreed.
How many bad teachers did you experience as a kid?
Most were good, a couple were excellent, several were very, very, lousy.
Anti,
From Widipedia:
Since its reorganization into an independent organization, the USPS has become self-sufficient and has not received any tax-payer dollars since the early 1980’s.
Employing 656,000 workers and 260,000 vehicles, it is the second-largest civilian employer in the United States (after Wal-Mart) and the operator of the largest civilian vehicle fleet in the world. The USPS is obligated to serve all Americans, regardless of geography, at uniform price and quality. Conversely, it has exclusive access to U.S. mail boxes and non-urgent letters. It receives competition from email and package delivery services.
Not only does David defend Socialists, he defends Al Capone too!
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Typical.
What’s next DavidB, defending terrorist who wish to kill Americans?
Oh, wait…..
PS, this was a fantastic hospital. I really felt in good hands here. Thanks!
politicalmama
Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
hey can anyone tell me why faux news is the only news station available at Wesley?
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Ask Wesley.
the USPS has become self-sufficient and has not received any tax-payer dollars since the early 1980’s.
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Bull, it has borrowed from the US Treasury. Tax-payer money.
The Postal Service has taken 10.2 billion in tax-payer dollars.
“Freebird1971″ –
I am not now — nor have I ever been — a candidate for Governor of the great State of Kansas.
Obama: US cannot resolve India-Pakistan conflict
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I agree.
The climate modeling “code”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From the programming file called “briffa_sep98_d.pro”:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
yyy=reform(compmxd(*,2,1))
;mknormal,yyy,timey,refperiod=[1881,1940]
;
; Apply a VERY ARTIFICAL correction for decline!!
;
yrloc=[1400,findgen(19)*5.+1904]
valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6,$
2.6,2.6,2.6]*0.75 ; fudge factor
if n_elements(yrloc) ne n_elements(valadj) then message,’Oooops!’
;
yearlyadj=interpol(valadj,yrloc,timey)
;
And yet, in spite of the USPS public option, FedEx and UPS thrive.
yrloc=[1400,findgen(19)*5.+1904]
valadj=[0.,0.,0.,0.,0.,-0.1,-0.25,-0.3,0.,-0.1,0.3,0.8,1.2,1.7,2.5,2.6,2.6,$
2.6,2.6,2.6]*0.75
==============================
Now that is just crazy talk, Sol.
And yet, in spite of the USPS public option, FedEx and UPS thrive.
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Government Fails
Private Business Thrives
Thanks Monkeyhawk.
Holy schitt. If the CRU and other organizations don’t get in front of this, this is 100% the death knell for AGW.
http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-harry-read_me-file/#comment-926
SolDevVB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
Holy schitt. If the CRU and other organizations don’t get in front of this, this is 100% the death knell for AGW.
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I don’t think Cosmos understands.
Seriously, someone should check on cosmo. She might be hanging in a closet somewhere. Her entire world just came crashing down around her ears. Does anyone know if she wore her helmet to school today?
Ouch!!!
Sarah Palin’s ‘Going Rogue’ Outsells Hillary Clinton’s Memoir in First Week
“MH” has said way to many times That I am not now-nor have I ever been a candidate for governor of the great stste of kansas. Thank god !
stste=state
WTF? Lib-Land?
Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
“ANTI” alleges –
“Government Fails.
Business thrives.”
Yup.
Now take 44-cents to your local FedEx office and ask ‘em to send a letter to your maiden aunt in Muncie.
Tell us how that works out.
Monkeyhawk,
Here’s another one of them “conspiracy theories” that I subscribe to:
http://www.optimumpopulation.org/
You’ll see that a patron of the organization is none other than “Ecoscience” co-author and “Population Bomb” author, Paul Ehrlich.
In “Population Bomb”, Ehrlich made this awe-inspiring quote:
“We need compulsory birth regulation.. (through) the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired family size.”
http://www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.aboutus.html
Silly huh?
Now take 44-cents to your local FedEx office and ask ‘em to send a letter to your maiden aunt in Muncie.
Tell us how that works out.
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I don’t remember the last time I sent anything via USPS.
Leave Alphonso alone.. anyone can make a few mistakes on their income tax… and heck.. he did keep the oppressive government from keeping Americans unwillingly sober. Alphonso may be described as an anti-forced sobriety freedom fighter!
Now take 44-cents to your local FedEx office and ask ‘em to send a letter to your maiden aunt in Muncie.
Sure, just as soon as FedEx gets 10.2 billion in tax-payer dollars like the USPS.
Monkeyhawk
Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Permalink
And yet, in spite of the USPS public option, FedEx and UPS thrive.
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And if the USPS couldn’t borrow $10.2 Billion from Government, they would be broke now.
How much would that postage stamp cost if the USPS was NOT subsidized?
I wonder how that USPS Overhead Cost is compared to FedX and UPS.
FedX and UPS emerged because Government was not meeting the needs of the People.
Check out this spreadsheet from the site:
http://www.optimumpopulation.org/images/briefingfigs/opt.af.lpr02.tab2e.xls
What a beautiful world it would be if all of us useless eater humans were gone.
“ANTI” shares –
“I don’t remember the last time I sent anything via USPS.”
Yeah, well…
You don’t remember a lot of stuff.
When’s the last time a mail man dropped by?
Monkeyhawk,
Give me 10.2 billion and I’ll hand deliver a letter from you to anyone in the country for $0.05.
When’s the last time a mail man dropped by?
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Intolerant sexist.
I think you had better go shopping Monkeyhawk.
Well go figure. The source code download link for NASA GISS is broken today. Whoda thunk it?
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/sources/
So, “SolDevVB” –
Accepting your numbers — $10 Billion dollars since 1980 — do you really think FedEx is gonna send a driver out to every address in, say, Gove County, to deliver and pick up mail addressed to “ANTI’s” maiden aunt in Muncie in a day or two?
For 44-cents?
Can Earth support and infinite number of people? So what is the upper limit?
Considering the degradation of the environment, one could argue that the world is overpopulated now.
From the USPS Web Site:
Fiscal Year Ended September 2009
(Dollars in millions, audited)
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Operating revenue $68,090
Operating expenses * $71,830 $77,738 $80,105 (7.6%) (3.0%) 11.8%
Loss from operations $(3,740)
Operating margin (5.5%)
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Net loss $(3,794)
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Purchases of capital property and Equipment $1,839
Debt $10,200
Interest expense $80
Capital contributions of U.S. Government $3,087
Deficit since reorganization $(8,500)
Total net (deficiency) capital $(5,413)
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http://www.usps.com/financials/_pdf/annual_report_2009.pdf
(Note just $80 million in Interest Expense and a Debt of $10.2 billion. That’s an interest rate of less then 1%. A 5% interest rate would be $510 million in interest. That means the US Government taxpayer has an additional subsidy, an interest rate subsidy of over $400 million!)
Crazy “Fed” carves on his own chest and stages his own murder.
Crazy “fed”.
(corrected typos)
From the USPS Web Site:
Fiscal Year Ended September 2009
(Dollars in millions, audited)
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Operating revenue $68,090
Operating expenses * $71,830
Loss from operations $(3,740)
Operating margin (5.5%)
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Net loss $(3,794)
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Purchases of capital property and Equipment $1,839
Debt $10,200
Interest expense $80
Capital contributions of U.S. Government $3,087
Deficit since reorganization $(8,500)
Total net (deficiency) capital $(5,413)
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http://www.usps.com/financials/_pdf/annual_report_2009.pdf
(Note just $80 million in Interest Expense and a Debt of $10.2 billion. That’s an interest rate of less then 1%. A 5% interest rate would be $510 million in interest. That means the US Government taxpayer has an additional subsidy, an interest rate subsidy of over $400 million!)
Anti: Well, on the other hand Sarah is without a job, while Hillary is gainfully employed.
sursum
Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
Anti: Well, on the other hand Sarah is without a job
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She seems to be getting along just fine.
In 1802 Thomas Jefferson said:
‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..’
Looks like Jefferson believed in govenrment controlled Banking… Hmmmm….
Hillary has a good job, too, not just hawking cut-rate, error-filled books…
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/121068/thumbs/r-OBAMA-AFGHANISTAN-huge.jpg
Hillary has a good job, too
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On the coat tails and in the shadow of a man, Bill.
Looks like Jefferson believed in govenrment controlled Banking… Hmmmm….
That is absolutely the most ret@rded thing you have written to date chass. Congratulations.
David you might want to review the 6 mistakes it took 11 AP reporters to find. They are bogus as most MSM reporting is. But lack of truth never stopped you from posting before.
Keep up the good work.
As for Hillarys good job – I wouldn’t know. I haven’t seen her more than 5 time since the ‘one’ put her in her place – I mean appointed her as sec of state. The most silent sec ever.
Sol that is really going some but this is chass you are talking about. Sorry.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered
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The FED?
Seriously, someone should check in on cosmo.
SolDevVB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
Seriously, someone should check in on cosmo.
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I wouldn’t worry, he’s probably preparing a soy turkey for Thanksgiving.
A personal attack on my integrity. Totally undeserved.
Maybe Hillary Clinton is busier repairing our international relationships than she is posing for the press. Let’s see if SHE quits halfway through her appointment.
“Pleefer” –
Overpopulation is a problem, just as Erlich warned in 1968 (from your cite).
As Yogi Berra noted, “Predictions are tough. Especially when they involve the future.”
But families are smaller in the 2000s than they were in the 1960s.
And still, there are 2.8 billion more people living off the planet today than when Ehrlich wrote those words.
Where do you think those extra 2.8 billion people get food to put in their mouths?
How many more mouths until the food supply is maxed out?
Buckminster Fuller used to talk about “Spaceship Earth.” We have a pretty good natural life support system, but every spaceship is limited by capacity to sustain the crew. On Spaceship Earth we’re not passengers, we’re the crew.
But a “conspiracy?!”
Yeah, right.
We meet every other Tuesday (when the Kiwanis Club isn’t meeting) at the Pizza Hut party room to determine how to rip a fetus out of your pregnant grand-daughter’s womb just because it’s fun. And your great-grand-daughter.
We’re all plotting against you, “Pleefer.”
Not against everyone. Just you.
I’ve just dispatched black helicopters to your house.
Here’s a tip:
Hide under the coffee table.
Pleefer
Posted November 24, 2009 at 1:55 pm | Permalink
No Child Left Behind was a deliberate attempt to keep everyone dumbed down.
An enlightened and educated population is a threat.
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Pleefer on what are you basing this statement. I worked in Cities in School and saw direct results from this program. Students that previously were just beening pushed along with their classmates whether they learned anything or not was commonplace before this program. Afterwards teachers were responsible to see that they were learning something. Hence the dreaded tests all of the liberals and teachers complained about. All of a sudden teachers were responsible for – teaching – horrors. There are a lot of good teachers and also a lot of bad ones. This program kept poor students in school because teachers finally had to find out why they weren’t learning and teach to their learning skills or deficiencies.
While not perfect this program at least shook up the status quo – at least until the dems regained control.
How many more mouths until the food supply is maxed out?
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Who should be killed first?
Who should be killed first?
Or who’s rights to reproduce should be removed?
Chas
Posted November 20, 2009 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
I wonder how long dublin would keep his contract with that wind far company, if they read some of his negative posts on wind energy?? Probably a good thing I dont know which company that is…. :-)
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You must be talking about the negative posts about the hot air or “wind energy” coming out of your mouth.. If you can show otherwise, be do.
David why is it necessary for you to attack Palins integrity. Has she done something to you personally. People who know her much better than you or I do think she made the righy decision. BTW Hillary did quit before the end of her senate term didn’t she. Life happens to us all.
ANTI
Posted November 24, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
WTF? Lib-Land?
Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html
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FUBAR.
Under Obama, we will now have to try every US Soldier who ever engages the enemy.
“Looks like Jefferson believed in govenrment controlled Banking… Hmmmm….”-Chas
Huh? That was a misquote from a letter to John Taylor on May 28, 1816.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mtj:@field(DOCID+@lit(tj110172))
(final sentence goes a little sumpin like this):
“And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
And he was talking about a private central bank, ya silly person.
Read the Constitution, particularly Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5.
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
CONGRESS, NOT A PRIVATE for profit, FEDERAL RESERVE has the right to coin our money and regulate the value thereof…get that? To COIN our money.
AND
Article I, Section 10, Clause 1: No State shall…coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debt.
No, we let some private corporation print our valueless money and then loan it back to us at interest…(the interest rate that is currently at 0 and thus let the Wall Street rip off artists get the bail outs for free).
Sooooooooooooo, yes, our Federal government is the sole coiner and “controller” of money.
DavidB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 3:14 pm | Permalink
A personal attack on my integrity. Totally undeserved.
Maybe Hillary Clinton is busier repairing our international relationships than she is posing for the press.
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I doubt she’d stoop as low as Monica.
And who would want to see pictures of Hillary doing THAT?
(Hillary porn would be Gitmo like torture!)
Climate Change: Who Are The Deniers Now?
Denialism is defined as “the practice of creating the illusion of debate when there is none.” It’s a variation on “the science is settled” theme, but personalized to say you deny the facts that prove it’s settled.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16913
HILLARY DID! hahahaaa on me!
I dunno, “ANTI” –
China’s one-child-per-couple approach sure has a downside.
Are you willing to attack CONs who oppose birth control in 3rd World countries?
Go at it, then.
It’s not just us SOCIALISTS!!!!” who think OctoMom is certifiably insane. In fact, plenty of WE Blog CONs have expressed thoughts people should prove their capacity to be a parent before they reproduce.
I think that’s pretty extreme. But CONs own WE Blog, so they must be right.
Are you willing to attack CONs who oppose birth control in 3rd World countries?
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I for voluntary birth control.
I am against stripping individuals of their liberty, like forced sterilizations.
add in an “am”
“okobserver” tries –
“People who know her much better than you or I do think she made the righy decision. BTW Hillary did quit before the end of her senate term didn’t she.”
Hillary moved on to another job.
The Moose Dresser? Not so much.
It was in the papers.
SOL — please READ Jefferson’s words…
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property…”
I didnt invent Jefferson’s words… If you dont like the words, take it up with Jefferson… Jefferson is definitely AGAINST Private banks… Who ELSE is going to run banking, if not private banks?? Gee, must be government, ya think??
“ANTI” goes all straw man –
“I for voluntary birth control.
I am against stripping individuals of their liberty, like forced sterilizations.”
And what government imposes forced sterilizations?
I am against government-mandated fuzzy kitten crushing.
Why do you hate kitties?
Is Palin the first Governor to resign because of ADD?
“Monkeyhawk” goes full on drooler with –
And what government imposes forced sterilizations?
I am against government-mandated fuzzy kitten crushing.
I believe Paul Ehrlich was in the discussion.
Try again.
Monk, you’re a silly one. You actually think there is an overpopulation issue? Really?
There 2.3 billion acres of useable/arable land in America alone. We grow food for ethanol.
The champions of your deluded thinking, like Ted Turner, ask that the rest of us only have 1 or 2 children, while he himself sired 5 of the little turds.
http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200811/20081118_turner.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner
I see that your blog is just on fire with comments still!
I can see why I’m entertainment for you.
I support the idea of a war tax, and think the taxes should be used to retire the part of the debt related to the Iraqi war adventure. You know, the one that was going to be self funding. Wouldn’t the cons whine then!
But, hey, if we’re going to ask the troops to possibly sacrifice life and limb, shouldn’t we also be willing to make sacrifices?
What I find interesting about the hacked emails is the number of ‘no comments’ being given out. If their work was legit they shouldn’t be embarrassed by the messages being released. And to me the one that screams out the loudest is…
“I’m not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and, I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc, constitutes serious criminal activity. I’m hoping the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.”
A comment like that looks like what you’d expect from a politician that just got caught in a scandal. They attempt to shoot the messenger instead of dealing with the message. If their work was legit and everything was above board they would just say the material speaks for itself and move on. They however are acting as if they just got caught.
I think people like you and I knew this all along. Now we have proof.
http://www.iceagenow.com/No_comment.htm
Wonder what dondub was saying about poor Sarah’s hacked email.
okob,
I meant no disrespect to teachers with my beef on NCLB, most of my paternal side of the family are educators throughout these United States (sorry folks, sad but true). I meant that it gears the teachers (and ties their hands) to only teaching what is required in these mandated tests.
Creativity, logic and reasoning skills are stifled and outright killed with NCLB.
When you bride or threaten a school with eliminating funding…they will dumb it down like crazy in order to keep that flow coming in.
But the flip side Pleefer and I saw it many times was that kids who were capable but had a learning disability like dyslexia were identified and helped. Some of them are top achievers now and their self esteem went thru the roof. The difference was amazing. Sometime teachers try to be a little too creative and should get back to the basics like reading, writing and arithmetic. Hearing these kids read out loud to you after they learned for instance that phonics just didn’t work for them but that memorization did – well it could make an old woman get tears in her eyes.
Phantom
Posted November 24, 2009 at 3:58 pm | Permalink
Wonder what dondub was saying about poor Sarah’s hacked email.
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Go for it tom.
Phantom the difference in Palins email and this email is that these scientists were working on gov grants from our gov and other countries. Their ‘email’ under FOI was ours to see. They were pretty stupid to put this stuff in hard form to begin with but that is another issue. They just thought they were invincible and no one would ever question their opinions.
Palins email was her own personal email and dealt with her personal life although the press never let that stop them.
Pleefer… Jefferson might hve written the words YOU quoted in a letter to Taylor, in 1816…. But please note the DATE on the quote I posted above….
In 1802 Thomas Jefferson said:
‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..’
Pleefer… please also note that the 1802 quote is not about a Central Bank, but rather, “private” banks(plural) —
Oh yea, and what Bank(private) is the one that sets the PRIME RATE??? Hmmmm??
From the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia
“The selective publication of some stolen emails and other papers taken out of context is mischievous and cannot be considered a genuine attempt to engage with this issue in a responsible way.”
Also from the Dot Earth Introduction:
“By 2050 or so, the world population is expected to reach nine billion, essentially adding two Chinas to the number of people alive today. Those billions will be seeking food, water and other resources on a planet where, scientists say, humans are already shaping climate and the web of life. “
Chas, Pleefer:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp
Also see:
http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Private_Banks_(Quotation)
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/11/23/hacker.climate/
Gavin Schmidt, a research scientist with NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the e-mails offer no damning indictment of climate researchers, and that bloggers are reading information in them out of context.
“There’s nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax,” he told Threat Level. “There’s no funding by nefarious groups. There’s no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There’s nothing hidden, no manipulation.
“It’s just scientists talking about science, and they’re talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way.”
Gavin Schmidt & Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia?
Yeah DavidB, certainly they don’t have a reason to lie….
Oh wait…
DavidB,
You insulted your own integrity with that post.
Yes David isn’t it amazing that these scientists have no shame at all. They were caught red handed as we accountant type would call ‘cooking the books’ and still they try to muddy the water so the gullible will follow them. I glad no one here is that gullible. I can say that because cosmos hasn’t shown up today.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I know yer all still furiously reading the 2,000+ page health reform bill, but you can squeeze the stolen climate research e-mails in after checking under your bed for Todd Tiahrt’s communists.
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/index.php
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/index.php
Reads like the work of a bunch of incompetent, politically motivated boobs.
“There’s nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax,” he told Threat Level. “There’s no funding by nefarious groups. There’s no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There’s nothing hidden, no manipulation”. – Gavin Sdhmidt.
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Sounds like “I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski” – Bill Clinton
ANTI — Thanks for the Snopes.com post… Most appreciated!!
The following web site has more accurate quotes from jefferson, on economy and on banking thoughts…
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1325.htm
Wow.
Just wow.
Callers to rant radio are calling this criminal email hacking the greatest moment for science since discovery that the world was round. Ironically enough, they are the very SORT of folk who probably kept insisting that the world was flat. JUST as they ignore evidence all around them that human caused climate change is happening. Hey, maybe evolution is wrong. It seems we have a species of humans determined to be defensively wrong.
Seeing scientists do politics is not pretty, is it? I think the MSM will be slow to become involved in the climate science scandal. They have been duped into believing that the science on AGW was settled, to the point of ridiculing those who weren’t “believers”. They believed these folks because they were scientists for crying out loud! To admit you are gullible is tough. Brownlee is in that boat. We will see if Phillip can suck it up and run a thread on it.
These dishonest scientists have set back legitimate science. But they have also done us all a service. No longer can folks rely on scientific opinion masquerading as science to be unbiased. They will know now that scientists are not above shading the data to fit their desired outcome, or ruthlessly dealing with those that disagree with them. This will have effect in other areas where scientific speculation and strong agendas are involved, such as in Darwinism and the theory of common descent.
The ramifications of this scandal are huge. It will also be impossible to ignore.
“This will have effect in other areas where scientific speculation and strong agendas are involved, such as in Darwinism and the theory of common descent.”
And have you brought evidence to prove creation or the existence of “God”?
Casual e-mails are not the stuff of how science works.
You got nothin’.
Did someone hack Darwin’s e-mails, too??
SolDevVB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
Seriously, someone should check in on cosmo.
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He’s probably been reassigned from posting fraudulent data, reports, and papers to deleting fraudulent data, reports, and papers.
DavidB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 5:21 pm | Permalink
Casual e-mails are not the stuff of how science works.
You got nothin’.
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Who cares about emails. How about the code and data?
It is to laugh.
http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-harry-read_me-file/#comment-926
Back in the 70’s-80’s when we were wondering who won WW2 by reason of the surging economies of Germany and Japan, economists said we were doomed. The Japanese were buying US property and Europe felt the need to get serous about a more fully integrated union and stop relying so much on the US as a marketplace. And they did.
Then the US started to print more money to our pay bills, drove down the value of the greenback and caused inflation that made all that American Paper Germany and Japan held to drop 30- 40% in real value. Germany and Japan still haven’t recovered from that fiasco and is the real reason the Chinese and Indians worry holding so much US paper and fear ridding themseves of it even moreso. $1.2 trillion in US debt has to be rolled over this year and nobody is going to buy Paper at near 0% return, they’ll want more leading to increased interest rates, starting the inflationary cycle all over again. It’s gonna be a real ride for ecomonists are talking about doing the same thing, paying off bills in deflated dollars without depleting gold reserves….it worked before.
Almost the same logic that if someone forged a document about bush, then the incident being forged about couldn’t be true.
It’s the same con mentality at work, only this time there’s no there, there, at all. Guess if the topic had been ‘if they keep publishing the creationist submittals, then we won’t let them print our evolution theories’ that would somehow have proved the creationist position.
But if you’d like to talk about emails…
Phil Jones, Dec 3, 2008:
About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little – if anything at all.
Phil Jones, Nov 24, 2009 Guardian
We’ve not deleted any emails or data here at CRU.
Where’s cosmos ???
“Secondly, scientists on several occasions discussed methods of subverting the scientific peer review process to ensure that skeptical papers had no access to publication…
This issue is all the more important because the scientists involved in these discussions have repeatedly accused their critics of being irrelevant because they fail to publish in the peer reviewed literature.”
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate
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Doesn’t this sound like a cosMao tactic?
Boxlock20
Posted November 24, 2009 at 6:09 pm | Permalink
Where’s cosmos ???
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It was his day to see the probation officer.
SolDevVB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 5:28 pm | Permalink
DavidB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 5:21 pm | Permalink
Casual e-mails are not the stuff of how science works.
You got nothin’.
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Who cares about emails. How about the code and data?
It is to laugh.
http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-harry-read_me-file/#comment-926
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Sol, DavidB and the other libs will never know what your link is saying. Maybe you should “dumb it down” for their sake.
The (UK)Freedom of Information Act, however, explicitly forbids deletion of any material subject to a FOI request. The penalty for such a criminal act is a fine of up to £5,000. Presumably being found guilty of such an act, or even suggesting it, would also bring about significant disciplinary procedures at any reputable university. A complaint has been made to the British information commissioner.
I’m just enjoying watching you AGW science deniers make a lot of noise about nothing.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/11/open-thread-1123-2/#comment-697225
Anti, thanks for the links (referring to Jefferson quotes).
As far as I can tell, Jefferson was worried about a private bank issuing currency. And yeah, that’s what the private, for profit, Federal Reserve is criminally doing right now, Chas. I agree with ya, let’s bring the issuing back to us, We The People. Let’s cut out the middle man (the Fed) who issues us the money with interest and print it ourselves, interest free. I think interest is an abomination in ALL forms, anyway.
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Cosmo, was deleted along with everything else.
Oh, sorry Cosmo. I guess they reprogrammed and rebooted you.
In a further public degradation of the American “entertainment industry, ” sodomite “entertainer” Adam Lambert shocked even the American “Music” Awards by shoving men’s faces into his crotch, leading others around on dog leashes and passionately kissing his male keyboard player.
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In a sign of things to come in the USofA, now that Congress has passed a thought crimes law declaring gender confusion a protected orientation, British mother Carole Smith wants taxpayers under socialized medicine to pay for castrating her cross-dressing 14-year-old son Georgie, who wants to become a girl before he turns into a man.
This is real funny.
http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/
The Manhattan Declaration issued Friday by over 150 Christian leaders endorses civil disobedience and noncompliance in defiance of government laws, edicts, and policies that contradict Christian teaching on freedom and moral issues such as abortion, embryonic stem cell research, assisted suicide, marriage, free speech, free exercise of religion, and freedom of conscience.
The declaration follows in the tradition of the early church fathers in denouncing the barbaric Roman Empire’s sanctioning of infanticide and infant abandonment. This document, standing on behalf of the preservation of the value and dignity of human life, without retreat or compromise, is being referred to as a line in the sand in the shadow of the Cross.
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An abortion mill employee verbally abused and physically attacked a pregnant pro-life volunteer outside the Central Family Medicine abortion mill in Kansas City, KS on November 14 while she was engaged in a lawful demonstration, and while an underage girl stood immediately on the other side of the victim. The violent perpetrator then hid inside the abortion mill, and police were denied access to the mill without a search warrant. Pro-life victim Jennifer McCoy could pursue charges against the violent perpetrator for assaulting her and her baby of 6 months gestation, and also the other killing staff member for impeding a police investigation and lying to police, falsely claiming that the perpetrator was not inside the mill.
Pro-lifers have photos of the attacker during the crime.
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A newborn baby girl was found by four sixth-grade girls Friday in a garbage bin in Garden City, MI and taken for hospital treatment. Police have identified the mother, who will serve many years in prison for attempted murder, if there is justice in Michigan.
The question global climate change is determined by the data. And the data is out there, subject to review. If these e-mails point a scientist to a place to look for bad data or analysis, so be it.
Until then, this is all just gossip.
cosmos_originally
Posted November 24, 2009 at 6:29 pm | Permalink
I’m just enjoying watching you AGW science deniers make a lot of noise about nothing.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/11/open-thread-1123-2/#comment-697225
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Cosmao did you get that comment from Micheal “hide the decline” Mann?
Cosmao, can you explain the scientific meaning and “context” of “hide the decline”?
Cosmao “denies” the fact that the CRU manipulated science, destroyed data, and lied about it.
I suppose someone could look at the data sets and the published papers in question. That would be a proper context.
The conclusions on GW are not drawn from just a few data sets. There are hundreds or thousands of data sets from many fields of science that seem to agree that warming is real. A handful of supposed “conspirators” couldn’t change that, no matter how hard they tried.
Enjoy your purloined e-mails. It won’t change the facts.
I had to mention again that Dr. John Holdren is all over this CRU email thing…y’know? Dr. Death?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17183
Wake up Obama there’s a climate change hoax out there and you may be part of it.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_112409/content/01125109.guest.html
Poor poor David I don’t think I could hurt your integrity. You have to have it before it can be hurt.
I actually know the game you are trying to play. Hard to admit defeat when you have had it all your way for so long. But finally the scientists that cosmos, you and other like you have tried to marginalize have trumped your high card.
This will end up in British courts and we will then see who wins the battle.
donndublin denies reality.
Only in conworld is resigning and quitting the same as being promoted. That doublespeak you all are just so good at deluding yourselves into believing.
and we know why all con books sell better, its a sham.
Glad to see Parkay still posting. I’d had been positive that the feds would have arrested him by now. If there were justice.
Nothing has changed.
Just ask the kids. Yeah you cons will jade a few of them into caring more about themselves and money than they do the planet. But only a few.
Environmental consciousness is generational now. You can’t stop it!
politicalmama
Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:15 pm | Permalink
Only in conworld is resigning and quitting the same as being promoted.
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Who said this?
BJ of course the kids believe this garbage. Their textbooks were rewritten to reflect the dishonest conclusions these shifty scientists were pushing. They were forced to watch algores propoganda movie. They have been indoctrinated to think the way the extreme left wanted them to believe.
It will take us years to undo the damage this has done to their delicate minds.
I really try to stay out of the personal insult business, so ” thank you” for your thoughtful evaluation of my character. I will give it the consideration it deserves.
okobserver
Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:23 pm | Permalink
politicalmama
Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:15 pm | Permalink
Only in conworld is resigning and quitting the same as being promoted.
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Who said this?
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I have my suspicions it wasn’t a Sarah Palin refernece. :)
Teaching kids to care about the planet they live on is “garbage” and damage that must be reversed?
Readers I give you today’s (and yesterday’s and tomorrow’s) Republican party. CON venience, CON sumption, and to heck with the con sequences.
Good thing they’ve already lost this one!
DavidB
Posted November 24, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Permalink
The question global climate change is determined by the data. And the data is out there, subject to review. If these e-mails point a scientist to a place to look for bad data or analysis, so be it.
Until then, this is all just gossip.
The only thing I can figure is you are profoundly ret@rded or you refuse to face the facts and explore the plethora of files hacked from CRU.
Question, which are the two main sources of climate data used by the IPCC? Do you have clue one David or do you just accept the disinformation rammed into your rectom by your party of choice?
cosmo and david,
About that data….
http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-harry-read_me-file/#comment-926
Truth be told cosmo, I’m glad you aren’t a hunk of meat swinging in your closet. For the realz.
This new bill would also bar anyone on the “terrorist watch list” from any second amendment rights. And thank goodness there are 400,000 of them terrorizers being watched.
Nice going Gillibrand and Holder…
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/72769077.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/names-fbi-terror-watch-list/
I teach my kids to spray anti-freeze into the air, dump motor oil on the lawn and just throw those McDonald’s wrappers where they may. Some inmate will clean it up anyway.
Why has CRU never… never released their data?
http://camirror.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-harry-read_me-file/#comment-926
Yeah, I’d be embarrassed too.
“The files contain so much material that it is going to take some time t o put it all in context,” says Ball. “However, enough is already known to underscore their explosive nature. It is already clear the entire claims and positions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are based on falsified manipulated material and is therefore completely compromised.
“The fallout will be extensive as material continues to emerge. Reputations of the scientists involved are already destroyed, however fringe players will continue to be identified and their reputations destroyed or sullied.”
While the mainstream media is bending into pretzels to keep the scandal under the rug, Climategate is already the biggest scientific scandal in history because of the global policy implications.
I used to dump my used motor oil in the neighbor’s back yard. He moved and I like my new neighbor. I usually just dump it in a ditch somewhere now.
(east side of town)
Well Hank now I know where to take my used motor oil and old tires.
Bring ‘em over. You can use the old motor oil to get the tires burning. Bring marsmellows too.
You guys…=]
I’m thankful these emails were brought out BEFORE Copenhagen.
Thank you hacker guy!
Follow-up in 6 Months, See if Obama’s Federal Reserve Knows What They Are Doing
(Evidence is lacking so far.)
Remember when the Obama Administration said unemployment could be held at 8% or less if the Stimulus was rushed through without reading it?
Obama was wrong.
Let’s see if Obama’s Fed is right about this brilliant forecast:
In updated economic projections, the Fed says the economy’s contraction for all of this year won’t be as deep as it thought in a forecast released in the summer. That’s because the second half of this year is shaping up better than anticipated. Growth next year should turn out slightly better than the Fed previously projected.
The Fed says the jobless rate could hover between 8.6 percent and 10.2 percent next year.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/24/fedjobless-rate-drop-slowly/
Remember,
The Fed says the jobless rate could hover between 8.6 percent and 10.2 percent next year.
11/24/09
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/24/fedjobless-rate-drop-slowly/
I teach my kid to beat the crap out of people like Pleefer’s kids.
Being proud of being damagers of the environment is something cons are well known for.
“Well Hank now I know where to take my used motor oil …”
Nah, try drinking it okie. That or lather yourself up and get more attention from your husband than usual.
Climategate/Warmergate Comments from around the blogosphere
I am sick to my stomach. I know there are so many other hard working scientists that have not tainted themselves. But this group – Phil Jones, Ken Briffa, Mike Man, Gavin Schmidt have casted a huge shadow of doubt over the entire field and caused a huge damage to the green movement.
Listen to Patrick Michaels on the Laura Ingram Radio show.
Yep, the AGW science deniers here are still making a lot of noise about nothing.
http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.org/
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
I teach my kid to beat the crap out of people like Pleefer’s kids.
Being proud of being damagers of the environment is something cons are well known for.
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I recall you commented about getting your a $ $ knocked down in front of your boy before.
You wearing diapers BJ?
donndublin
Posted November 24, 2009 at 6:35 pm | Permalink
This is real funny.
http://www.minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/
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ROFLMAO!
BJ, non-stop blogging about being kept down by the man, since 7:28 AM today!
You must wear diapers to be able to blog so much.
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 7:28 am | Permalink
The anti science folks have degenerated to criminal behavior.
BEFORE their anti environmental lifestyles are made criminal.
Well James McCluer I did in fact comment that three goons either in the employ of Sean Hannity or Central Christian church knocked me down.
Dude a little girl could knock you down.
Ewww, I think you’d enjoy that.
JimJohnson
Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:55 pm | Permalink
BJ, non-stop blogging about being kept down by the man, since 7:28 AM today!
The person that keeps him down is the same one that stares back at him in the mirror
Yeah go get another nic “Jim”.
You cons are awfully cranky given the “death” of global warming.
Whatsamatter Thunderchild, nobody playing on your Lezzie Liberal Doorknob website?
Huh, Billo is talking about some “manifesto” a group of Christians has come up with. Pity the poor oppressed pious! Gay marriage and abortion hurts their feelings!
Does your son know that Blue Jay is Gay?
Freebird1971
Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson
Posted November 24, 2009 at 9:55 pm | Permalink
BJ, non-stop blogging about being kept down by the man, since 7:28 AM today!
The person that keeps him down is the same one that stares back at him in the mirror
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There is always Somebody Else to blame.
My son knows that calling someone “gay” is a tactic of bigots and other small minded people. Call him a Christian or a Republican? Better be ready to go ten rounds.
The Pure Puzzy League must be stuck or something.
Needs more K Y maybe.
See? MOST people have evolved beyond “gay” being an insult. While I am not gay, I know of no reason why these most inoffensive of people are singled out for persecution.
Maybe we should come up with a name for weird old cripples who live with their sisters or goatherd kept men as an insult.
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HLP
Posted November 24, 2009 at 8:47 pm | Permalink
I used to dump my used motor oil in the neighbor’s back yard. He moved and I like my new neighbor. I usually just dump it in a ditch somewhere now.
(east side of town)
If the Environmental Protection Agency or local authorities are interested, the name of this proud and admitted polluter is Hank Price.
BlueJay
Posted November 24, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Permalink
See? MOST people have evolved beyond “gay” being an insult. While I am not gay
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Sure “B” “J”.
You feel the need to stay in the closet for your son’s benefit.
How MANLY of you.
WE Blog CONs are reduced to trolling again.
8th Grade playground insults.
6th Grade name-calling.
4th Grade understanding of issues.
Issues?
Well, CONs don’t like to talk about issues much.
Do ya expect any better Monkeyhawk?
Billo is reporting right NOW that FOX “news” was attacked.
By Sesame Street.
I’m gonna save a link for in the morning.
Yeah,
Unless you look at BlueJay’s 9:58 and 10:17 pm posts.
I got to wondering about awful Christmas gifts.
You draw someone’s name and with a $20 price limit have to give ‘em something.
There’s the neckline exerciser.
The designer Snuggie (in your choice of leopard or zebra print).
There’s the Crystal Prayer Cross (with a “certificate of authenticity” to protect you from all those counterfeit Crystal Prayer Crosses flooding the market).
There’s the E-Z Wipe (you don’t want to know).
Who woulda thought all these wonderful gifts are just $19.99?!
Finnally, SOME ISSUES discussed at 11:03.
Starting to sound like the PPL here now.
Next issue: Monkey Manicures.
“I teach my kid to beat the crap out of people like Pleefer’s kids.
Being proud of being damagers of the environment is something cons are well known for.”-Bleucheese
And then there’s this:
“WE Blog CONs are reduced to trolling again.
8th Grade playground insults.
6th Grade name-calling.
4th Grade understanding of issues.
Issues?
Well, CONs don’t like to talk about issues much.” -Monkey
Nice segue, don’t ya think?
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Bluecheese, I’m just guessing here…but I’m sure that you do have your kids fight for you.
Along with slinging your dope and cooking the meth as well. I’m sure that your kids have a lot of fighting to do, what, standing up for their tweaked out, speed-slinging dad and all. I’m sure their embarrassed and have some honor to keep, so fighting is an everyday occurrence for them. Parent-teacher conferences must be a pain, trying to cover up those track marks.
I give the SRS an anonymous call “out of concern” for kids like Bleucheese’s. It’s my progressive duty (to get all of the endangered little children the help they need from the government).
I’m watching Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.
I’m liking this “two men enter, one man leaves” thing.
I’m thinking on a meetup between me and “Regular”, “Anti”, ‘Freebird”, “JimJohnson”, “American way”, “Pleefer” and “‘minutelady”.
Oh, the irony.
“JimJohnson” and “Pleefer” criticize “BlueJay’s” inclination to stand up and fight for what he believes in.
Then I post an innocuous little water cooler comment and “JimJohnson” and “Pleefer” whine because the only reason they participate in this forum is to pick fights.
Enjoy your lives under the bridge, trolls.
Monkey Chicken sticks up for “BJ” Because he wants bj to teach him how to burn the american flag.
Hey HLP,
You can take used motor oil to almost any of the quick lube places and they will dump it in their pit. They are usually happy to as they sell it.
Also, if you have a piece of ‘blacktop’ road, asphalt, close it can be put on that and it soaks in and helps the road. Basically that’s what happens when they put a fresh coat of oil on an asphalt road.
Of course the ‘greenies’ will have a fit no matter what you do…..they don’t think you should be using oil even.
my renown is valerie
ground this forum while searching for the sake of grants.
await i can cure you guys also.