Open thread 11/15

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  1. Heckler
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    As we will always be grateful for what George and Laura Bush did this week, with no media attention, when they very quietly went to Ft. Hood and met personally with the families of the victims of this terrorist attack.

    FOR HOURS.

    The Bushes went and met privately with these families for HOURS, hugging them, holding them, comforting them.

    http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/10/thank-you-former-president-george-w-bush-and-former-first-lady-laura-bush/

  2. Posted November 15, 2009 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Your Sunday morning cartoon –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYZYJ7XueI

  3. Posted November 15, 2009 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    Your Sunday morning hymn –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQLw4r06SMM

  4. Posted November 15, 2009 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    Your Sunday morning sermon –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkPWFupNHhs

  5. Regular
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Good article Heckler, well worth the read.

  6. XXX
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    #
    Regular
    Posted November 14, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    XXX writes:
    Reg, I’d be very interested to know what kind of hardware you run.
    ———————-
    Nothing fancy – A quad core Intel 6600 (about 2 years old),
    Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz, 2403 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    32 bit.
    4 gig memory,

    8800GT 512MB Video card in a PCI-E slot.
    Adapter Type GeForce 8800 GT, NVIDIA compatible

    Three Hard Drives of various size from 180gb to 300gb

    I’ll probably upgrade to 64 bit, 8 gigs memory on my next computer as there are 64 bit 3D and graphics software coming out.
    ________________________________

    SWEET!
    My new computer runs 64 bit w/4 gig memory. But it’s only dual core. I haven’t loaded AutoCAD yet, but this computer is very close to what I run at work. Should be ok.

  7. Regular
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Yeah XXX, duo cores should run Autocad just fine.

    One only needs quad cores if they do a lot of rendering in 3D or in video.

  8. Boxlock20
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    “It’s become clear that health reform has become the Democrats version of “Moby Dick,” as party leaders embrace the premise that they must pass something this year and declare victory, no matter how flawed the final product is. What do they care if they sink the economy along the way?

    Last Saturday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi begged, cajoled, and threatened health care legislation to a successful vote in her chamber, albeit by a razor thin margin of 220-215. The administration and House leadership touted this as a landmark vote, which it is, but only if you ignore the fact that the bill achieves almost none of President Obama’s promised health reform goals. In fact, it is very likely to explode the deficit, drive up health care costs, and inflict massive new taxes on middle-class Americans.”
    —Fox New Opinion

    I agree!

  9. Posted November 15, 2009 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    “Boxlock20″ agrees with the Pox Noise Channel.

    I’m stunned.

  10. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Last night I posted what individual doctors are saying about the proposed Obamacare which indicate doctors will reduce medicare/medicaid patient loads – making healthcare had to get for seniors.

    Today I learn of the official report to Congress:

    Report: Bill would reduce senior care
    Medicare cuts approved by House may affect access to providers

    A plan to slash more than $500 billion from future Medicare spending — one of the biggest sources of funding for President Obama’s proposed overhaul of the nation’s health-care system — would sharply reduce benefits for some senior citizens and could jeopardize access to care for millions of others, according to a government evaluation released Saturday.

    The report, requested by House Republicans, found that Medicare cuts contained in the health package approved by the House on Nov. 7 are likely to prove so costly to hospitals and nursing homes that they could stop taking Medicare altogether.

    Congress could intervene to avoid such an outcome, but “so doing would likely result in significantly smaller actual savings” than is currently projected, according to the analysis by the chief actuary for the agency that administers Medicare and Medicaid. That would wipe out a big chunk of the financing for the health-care reform package, which is projected to cost $1.05 trillion over the next decade.

    More generally, the report questions whether the country’s network of doctors and hospitals would be able to cope with the effects of a reform package expected to add more than 30 million people to the ranks of the insured, many of them through Medicaid, the public health program for the poor.

    In the face of greatly increased demand for services, providers are likely to charge higher fees or take patients with better-paying private insurance over Medicaid recipients, “exacerbating existing access problems” in that program, according to the report from Richard S. Foster of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

    Though the report does not attempt to quantify that impact, Foster writes: “It is reasonable to expect that a significant portion of the increased demand for Medicaid would not be realized.”

    Congress could intervene to avoid such an outcome, but “so doing would likely result in significantly smaller actual savings” than is currently projected, according to the analysis by the chief actuary for the agency that administers Medicare and Medicaid. That would wipe out a big chunk of the financing for the health-care reform package, which is projected to cost $1.05 trillion over the next decade.

    More generally, the report questions whether the country’s network of doctors and hospitals would be able to cope with the effects of a reform package expected to add more than 30 million people to the ranks of the insured, many of them through Medicaid, the public health program for the poor.

    In the face of greatly increased demand for services, providers are likely to charge higher fees or take patients with better-paying private insurance over Medicaid recipients, “exacerbating existing access problems” in that program, according to the report from Richard S. Foster of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

    Though the report does not attempt to quantify that impact, Foster writes: “It is reasonable to expect that a significant portion of the increased demand for Medicaid would not be realized.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402597.html

  11. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Read the entire report here for yourself:

    http://thehill.com/images/stories/news/2009/november/weekend111309/cmsactuarynumbers.pdf

  12. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Democrats are business as usual, same ole, same ole, working for money lovers – not the people on healthcare bill.

    Statements by more than a dozen lawmakers were ghostwritten, in whole or in part, by Washington lobbyists working for Genentech, one of the world’s largest biotechnology companies.

    E-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that the lobbyists drafted one statement for Democrats and another for Republicans.

    The lobbyists, employed by Genentech and by two Washington law firms, were remarkably successful in getting the statements printed in the Congressional Record under the names of different members of Congress.

    Genentech, a subsidiary of the Swiss drug giant Roche, estimates that 42 House members picked up some of its talking points — 22 Republicans and 20 Democrats, an unusual bipartisan coup for lobbyists.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/us/politics/15health.html

    (the sheep have been fooled once again)

  13. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    “In an interview, Representative Bill Pascrell Jr., Democrat of New Jersey, said: “I regret that the language was the same. I did not know it was.” He said he got his statement from his staff and “did not know where they got the information from.”

    Members of Congress submit statements for publication in the Congressional Record all the time, often with a decorous request to “revise and extend my remarks.” It is unusual for so many revisions and extensions to match up word for word. It is even more unusual to find clear evidence that the statements originated with lobbyists.”

  14. Boxlock20
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    ““Boxlock20? agrees with the Pox Noise Channel.
    I’m stunned.”—Monkey

    The chimp brain is so impotent in thought he can only insinuate criticism of the messenger.

  15. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Morning Boxlock! Monkeyhawk of late has been reduced to posting insults and ignorance.

    I’m guessing that between the many faults being revealed now that the democrats are in power – and their lost arguments here, lose lipped libs like Monkeyhawk have little left to contribute.

    Reduced to mummbling fowl words under their breath.

  16. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    loose lips

  17. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    mumbling
    foul

    Coffee break.

  18. Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    “American_Way” contributes –

    “…Monkeyhawk of late has been reduced to posting insults and ignorance.

    I’m guessing that between the many faults being revealed now that the democrats are in power – and their lost arguments here, lose lipped libs like Monkeyhawk have little left to contribute.

    Reduced to mummbling fowl words under their breath.”

    “Fowl” words?

    gobble-gobble

  19. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk, it is really a pleasure when you confirm my posts.

  20. Hud
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    “Read the entire report here for yourself:”

    How about this report?

    “CMS: House bill increases health care costs”

    http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/CMS_House_bill_increases_health_care_costs_.html

    This article has a link to the CMS report. The report does raise the question of just what the HR 3962 will actually do other than raise cost for health care.

    Of course, just what does CMS know about Medicare. I also wonder if CMS talks to their boss at HHS.

  21. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “just what does CMS know about Medicare[?]”

    Richard S. Foster, the “government’s longtime chief analyst of Medicare costs said” March 12, 2004, “that Bush administration officials threatened to fire him last year if he disclosed to Congress that he believed the prescription drug legislation favored by the White House would prove far more expensive than lawmakers had been told.” [1]

    Foster, “a nonpartisan Department of Health and Human Services official who has been Medicare’s chief actuary for nine years, said he nearly resigned in protest because he thought the top Medicare administrator, and perhaps White House officials, were acting against the public interest by withholding information about how much changes to the program would cost.”

  22. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Forgot link to originator of the CMS report:

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_S._Foster

  23. cosmos_originally
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Record high temps far outpacing record low temps nationwide, new study shows

    http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/record_high_temps_far_outpacin.html

  24. writerdog
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Oh how I long for the days I could get full medical care and pay for it with a chicken!

  25. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    writerdog, lol, and the person you gave the chicken to probably invited over to share it for Sunday dinner?

  26. writerdog
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    How true!

  27. writerdog
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    At one time the Doctor was more like a member of the community then an oracle on high.
    They acted more like that old friend who is brutally honest with you but you felt they were being so because they care about you.

    Now they seem more like the NYC restaurant critic, aloft, cold and revealing opinion of a dish they wish they had not encountered. Making a quick retort about it then leaving the room.
    “You have cancer and your version of Chicken tartar was dry and flavorless!…. Good day”

  28. okobserver
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    AmWay good research on the medicare costs and the growing threat to our seniors.

    I learned this week also that medicare has already changed in some ways. A recently hospitalized senior found that much of his bill concerning ‘in hospital’ medications was disallowed by medicare. Because medicare didn’t allow it neither did his supplemental insurance. He now has a big hospital bill to pay.

    These are the ways the gov will change the program and save that half a trillion dollars. Denied coverage, lowering dr payouts, changing the rules for seniors – our gov at work. But on an up note – those like BJ will have healthcare coverage.

    Even the sheeple have to see the hypocrisy here. It isn’t just conservatives that will be hurt. We are just the ones sounding the alarms.

  29. Heckler
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    PDS at work.

    “As the always brilliant Mark Steyn pointed out:

    That’s 11 writers for a 695-word report. What on? Obamacare? The Iranian nuke program? The upcoming trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

    No, the Associated Press assigned 11 writers to “fact-check” Sarah Palin’s new book…

    Hey, don’t be too hard on the AP. CNN is also into fact-checking… SNL skits that are “mean” to Obama.”

    Here’s some real fact-checking. Fasten your seat belts…

    http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/11/fact-checking-fact-checkers.html

  30. littlejohn
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Sorry Writerdog,

    That is not my experience with doctors. However, I hear it is for others. One of the reasons. Reduced Medicare reimbursements require a higher patient count per day in order to average it out.

  31. Daniel
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Heckler,

    How many HOURS did President Bush and Mrs. Bush spend at Ft. Hood hugging, holding, and comforting the families of the stricken?

    And how did you manage to hear about it if there was no press coverage?

  32. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    “Even the sheeple have to see the hypocrisy here.”

    Unbelievably, they don’t see today’s Praeger Thread.

    Cuts=More
    More=less

    Great efforts by the Ministry of Love and their doublethink propaganda.

  33. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    don’t. See

  34. JimJohnson
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Obama – The Control Freak

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/15/administration-propose-federal-oversight-subways-report-says/

    Administration to Propose Federal Oversight of Subways, Report Says

    In the wake of last summer’s deadly Metro crash in Washington, D.C., the Obama administration reportedly plans to propose that subway and light-rail systems across the country fall under federal oversight.

    The pitch comes as the administration moves to increase regulation over the financial, auto, health care and industrial sectors.

    The Washington Post reported Sunday that the administration will present its plan to Congress, which would have to approve it, in the coming weeks for the U.S. Department of Transportation to regulate those systems. The regulation would cover every system from New York City to Washington, D.C. to Boston and beyond.

    The shift is an attempt to reverse a long-standing prohibition against federal regulation on subways — the prohibition dates back to a time when only a handful of cities had subway systems.

    ====================================================

    MORE OBAMA CONTROL!!!!

    Taking the same workers, converting them to Federal workers, will make us safer.

    Nope. It’s Federal Control that Obama wants – for Effing Everything!

    (Btw – Isn’t Washington DC already Federally Regulated?)

  35. JimJohnson
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    littlejohn
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink
    Sorry Writerdog,

    That is not my experience with doctors. However, I hear it is for others. One of the reasons. Reduced Medicare reimbursements require a higher patient count per day in order to average it out.

    ===============================================

    I’m sure most people wouldn’t mind working for a reduced hourly rate, as long as they could work 60 hour weeks vs 40 hour weeks to make up for the lost income.

  36. JimJohnson
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    So much for TRANSPARENCY for Obama’s Administration

    Gates Signs Order to Keep Detainee Abuse Pics Sealed
    by Lee Ross
    , FOXNews.com

    The firestorm over these pictures erupted earlier this year when the Obama administration decided to comply with and then appeal a court order to disclose the photographs similar to the now infamous pictures from Iraq’s Abu Grahib prison.

    At least 44 pictures showing Americans abusing detainees in overseas military prisons have been permanently blocked from release in an order signed Friday by Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/14/gates-signs-order-detainee-abuse-pics-sealed/?test=latestnews

  37. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    “”I’m sure most people wouldn’t mind working for a reduced hourly rate, as long as they could work 60 hour weeks vs 40 hour weeks to make up for the lost income.”

    Agreed JJ.

    See my posts on the Open Thread beginning last night around 5 PM….forward.

    No one. NO ONE. will honestly want to work more hours for less money. Not to mention the added pressure of saving lives – and being sued.

  38. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Daniel
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 12:15 pm
    “Unless an uppity Negro is in charge.”

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/11/roberts-obamas-indecision-is-risky/#comment-694340

    Daniel just became more scroll over.

  39. JimJohnson
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink
    “”I’m sure most people wouldn’t mind working for a reduced hourly rate, as long as they could work 60 hour weeks vs 40 hour weeks to make up for the lost income.”

    Agreed JJ.

    See my posts on the Open Thread beginning last night around 5 PM….forward.

    No one. NO ONE. will honestly want to work more hours for less money. Not to mention the added pressure of saving lives – and being sued.

    ————————————

    Oh no, it’s always about what Somebody Else has to do.

    Libs are willing to cut the pay of others, but not their own.

    They don’t understand that the Docs cannot be forced to work as slaves. In fact, 1/3 of them are close enough to retirement to work part-time or retire completely – TODAY!

    Line up for your Free Health Care! Only, nobody is at the end of the line!

    And that is exactly what you see with H1N1 today, thousands of people getting in line for 500 doses.

  40. satatom
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Time to watch the KC Chiefs lose another game.

    Hmmmm…the Chiefs must be Republicans…’nuff said!

  41. Phantom
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    The V.A. pays the fee for service vendors on a payment if full basis. If the dr. accepts the v.a. patient, they can not bill the patient, medicare or anyother ins.
    Haven’t heard of any doctors refusing to take v.a. members.

  42. American_Way
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    “The V.A. pays the fee for service vendors on a payment if full basis. Haven’t heard of any doctors refusing to take v.a. members.”

    So Phantom, why do you support Obama cutting medicare payments to doctors and hospitals by 250-500 billion dollars?

    Payment in full?

  43. george
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Al Gore the Climate King in Florida. His cap & trade ideas need to be forgotten. We can’t afford this guy.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/gore-s-presentation-on-climate-change-draws-800-59205.html

  44. littlejohn
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    satatom
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 3:08 pm | Permalink
    Time to watch the KC Chiefs lose another game.

    Hmmmm…the Chiefs must be Republicans…’nuff said!

    *************************

    The Chiefs won. Now what satatom? Did they turn into Democrats?

  45. Posted November 15, 2009 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    “littlejohn” –

    The Chiefs didn’t exactly “win.”

    Oakland lost it.

    A comedy of errors by the two most pathetic teams in the NFL, sort of like the Repubic Party and the Tea-Baggers.

  46. littlejohn
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    MOnkeyHawk-

    Yeah, whatever. He deserved the shot.

    Kinda like your comments. If that’s all you got, you ain;t got much.

    But yeha, the Chiefs suck. So do most of the Republicans. So do most of the Democrats. ANd apparently, according to satatom, the Republicans won.

  47. CapnAmerica
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Monk–

    That’s eggzactly what I was thinking too.

    I caught the last minutes of the game waiting for 60 Minutes.

    Chiefs were up by 6 and I told my wife, “let’s watch KC choke.”

    But whattya know, Oakland bounces one off a receiver’s chest, and KC didn’t have a chance to blow their lead.

  48. Posted November 15, 2009 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m gonna have to stop watching Chiefs games and switch to following professional football.

  49. Boxlock20
    Posted November 15, 2009 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    “I’m gonna have to stop watching Chiefs games and switch to following professional football.”—Monkey

    But they won….and that’s what matters in ‘professional’ football. It’s not how you play the game, it’s what the score board says at the end.