The campaign of Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard, looked childish and desperate in sending out an e-mail falsely claiming that Senate rival Rep. Jerry Moran, R-Hays, had been endorsed by the Communist Party USA. But as Washburn University political science professor Robert Beatty hoped, perhaps the incident may lead to an intelligent discussion about U.S. policy. Perhaps — though probably not. As Moran correctly argues, decades of U.S. embargoes haven’t brought an end to communist rule in Cuba and actually may have helped prop it up. Lifting some trade and travel bans to Cuba would benefit Kansas farmers and could help spread democracy.
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Yeah, Mother Russia and its old KGB contacts would love the free access to the U.S. via visas and diplomatic passports.
Oh hell. There is no reason to keep up the embargo on Cuba. We do business with as bad or worse. The only real difference is Cuba doesn;t make anything we really want.
From seeing their sales on cruise ships I have been on – Cigars might be one thing.
Lift all restrictions. Normalize relationships.
Should of happened years ago. I suspect the democrats embargo hasn’t worked a bit and it has remained in place because JFK was assassinated and the US sugar cartel. Just think of how much cheaper consumers would pay for so many foods if not for the sugar price supports and lack of competititon. Cugan sugar, cigars, and rum are all good.
Lift all trade restrictions.
Cugan=cuban And a nice vacation spot too.
I am not a cigarist, but cuban cigars don’t seem to me to be that extraordinary, other than the mystique. But whatever. I don;t even smoke at all any more. Let the marketplace decide
The whole world can go to Cuba and enjoy some of the most beautiful beaches, some world-class boating and fishing and some of the best hotels in the world.. but not us.
BASTA!
From Google Earth, Cuba looks like a beautiful place…minus the poverty.
Lift the embargo. Should have been lifted years ago.
Viola!
Blow me down…here it is!
Something that is 98% agreed upon!
Although there is still some cold war fear ’round here.
With Tiahrt and his people starting to panic this early and throwing slime at his C Street buddy Moran, this one could get really nasty, really fast, folks. Looking forward to it. Nuthin’ like a good name-calling, hair-pulling primary to tear a party apart.
Dennis
And BTW, put me down in the 98% category. The blockade has been stupid from the beginning.
Dennis
Ol’ “Regular” gives us –
“…Mother Russia and its old KGB contacts would love the free access to the U.S. via visas and diplomatic passports.”
If you ever begged for an example of how Ol’ “Regular” it totally out of step with reality, this is it.
But at least, as he posted it, he kept the tencil on the toad.
How about this solution? We lift the embargo and start the process of normalizing relations with Cuba in exchange for seeing to it that all Cubans have unfettered access to the internet and satellite broadcasts. Information is democracy’s finest weapon.
Lotsa places have joint ventures with Cuba as to develpopment and trade and many more are big sources of tourism, which does not one whit of good in changing the thought processes of Messrs.Castro. Foreign branches of US firms have been doing bsiness there for years so to think there is a political benefit or civil rights pot at the end of that produce exporting rainbow is well, just not realistic.
Tiahrt wouldn’t look half as silly has he does with the whole Moran is a commie bit if he hadn’t also supported trade with Cuba in the past
“The campaign of Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Goddard, looked childish and desperate in sending out an e-mail falsely claiming that Senate rival Rep. Jerry Moran, R-Hays, had been endorsed by the Communist Party USA.”
THIS is what the thread should have been about. Tiahrt is a slimeball.
Normalize with Cube? I’m for it. But it’s not going to happen until all the old red baiters are dead. Small minds are made to be very afraid by words and different ideals.
Spot on AW, lift it and add to “The whole world can go to Cuba and enjoy some of the most beautiful beaches, some world-class boating and “fishing” and some of the best hotels in the world“..
It was off of Cuba that the world record Great White caught on rod and reel was landed.
On Todd Tiahrt’s advice, I looked under my bed. I did not find any communists … thank goodness!!!
The CONs have to keep the embargo in place so that US residents can’t access Cuba’s cheap, high-quality health care.
Cuba’s cheap, high-quality health care
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
BTW CapnAmerica,
The Dems (the ones in charge, you remember) have not lifted the embargo.
Hehe, DavidB–
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Brownlee gave Tiahrt too much credit when he called Tiahrt’s e-mail “childish.”
Tiahrt knew damn well what he was doing–no one could take the charge that “Moran is a pinko” seriously. What the CONs do take seriously is a candidate like Tiahrt who’s willing to play the old, old fearmonger “hate communists, hate communists, hate more communists” card like their hero Joe McCarthy.
Tiahrt got a lot of CON cred with this little stunt. He proved he’s willing to “go there,” and that’s what the CONs worship.
Anti–
Damn good point.
We progessives should put the heat on them.
Some lessons are never learned.
CapnAmerica
Posted November 20, 2009 at 9:22 am | Permalink
Anti–
Damn good point.
We progessives should put the heat on them.
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Well, just don’t sit there looking at the computer screen with that stupid grin on your face, get to work!!!!
I need a cheap vacation…with good off shore fishing.
Thank God Rep. Tiahrt is keeping us safe from doing business with communists.
You know, like China . . .
Anti says, I need a cheap vacation…with good off shore fishing.
And I heartily second the motion.
But to do that, we have to vote out the CONs . . .
But to do that, we have to vote out the CONs . . .
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Why? The Dems hold the majority trifecta.
pssst- ANti-
But the mantra is
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
CON CON CON CON CON
It’s the only thing they got
pssst- ANti-
But the mantra is
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
CON CON CON CON CON
It’s the only thing they got
At long last the Cuban Embargo is about nothing but a few crazy Floridians and their importance as a conservative voting bloc.
When you go back and look at Batista’s Cuba, pre Castro, you’ll realize Florida’s Cubanos are basically the people who were in league with the Mafia and other robber barons in the pre-1960s.
Cuban sugar alone could facilitate all US corn production to ethanol fuel. Without government subsidies.
What might have made a modicum of sense back in the era of the Cuban Missile Crisis lost its relevance in real terms 20 or 30 years ago. But the Repubic Party latched on to it because it was a solid bloc of voters to pander to.
Aren’t you late for the men’s locker room MonkeyHock? You don’t want to miss seeing that Marine get dressed again.
Cuban sugar alone could facilitate all US corn production to ethanol fuel.
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So, are we going to import beef, pork, & chicken?
Are you displaying the rationality of “Thinking adults”?
“ANTI” –
Cows eat grass. The beef tastes better when they do.
Pigs eat just about anything. Ham tastes better when they do.
Chickens pick bugs and seeds an’ stuff to eat. Keep around enough corn for cornbread and catfish coating. Let the chickens hunt-and-peck for the leftovers.
You’re on the road to defending factory farms, “ANTI.” Sure you want to go there?
“Cows eat grass. The beef tastes better when they do.”
Corn fed beef is mighty tasty. It might be less good for you, but It is might tasty.
Cows eat grass. The beef tastes better when they do.
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No it doesn’t!
There is a reason “corn-fed” beef goes for a higher price at the gate than the pasture steers.
Same with hogs.
You’re on the road to defending factory farms, “ANTI.” Sure you want to go there?
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Are you sure you want to defend eliminating corn other than for ethanol?
Do you think you can defend ethanol?
BTW Monkeyhawk,
90% of the beef I eat is grass fed. That being said, I assure you corn-fed taste better and is far easier to chew.
Pigs eat just about anything. Ham tastes better when they do.
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Have you ever eaten wild hog?
Oh, jeez. Another tangent. –
God made cows to eat grass. Gave ‘em a couple extra stomachs to pull it off. Cud is your friend.
The only-est advantage of corn-fed beef is the critters get fatter quicker.
There’s nothing about slow-cooked cuts of beef that needs stockyard corn feeding. The steaks might have more marbling and it’s pure beef fat you perceive as “tasting better.” Go chew some suet.
Factory-farmed pigs pretty much ruined Kansas’ pork production. 10,000 oinkers on concrete in Iowa to produce “The Other White Meat.” (Which is sort of like saying “EverClear — the Other White Wine.)
Ever eaten an egg from a free-range chicken? It will astound you. The yolk isn’t just yellow, it’s almost orange. And it tastes better.
Ever eaten a free-range chicken? One whose feed isn’t mixed with its own droppings in a factory cage? You’re missing something if you haven’t.
It pretty easy for me to imagine most WE Blog CONs as people whose diets consist of Hot Pockets, Diet Dr Pepper, and Busch Lite.
Monkeyhawk,
Forgive me if I refuse to take livestock advice from someone who knows nothing of livestock.
Mmmmmm…suet.
Well, Having grown up on the farm, I will have to agree that eggs from free range chickens taste better.
I will agree that free range birds taste better than store bought, but you apparently have no idea how “meat” chickens are raised. They are not raised in a cage, but in large buildings. Too large and too many chickens. Biggest problem is the antibiotics necessary in the feed to keep them healthy. Biggest taste problems in that they are usually harvested at 7 weeks of age. No time for good flavor to develop. Typical farm raised chickens go to 12 weeks or longer. Grass fed beef is certainly good for you. COrn Fed beef will have more flavor, due to marbling. The best (imho) is range beef with grain supplemental feedings. Hogs are definately better tasting after being fed grain, but good in any case. The amount of fat in hogs and cattle has dramatica;;u been reduced over the years.
But that’s my take. Been there, done that. How about you?
“It pretty easy for me to imagine”
Yep, you got that one right
But that’s my take. Been there, done that. How about you?
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I have no “beef” with the chicken report.
But Monkey’s logic on the taste of beef and pork is way off.
I eat grass fed cattle, have all my life. My family has been in the cow/calf business since they stepped of the ship. I am the first one not to own cattle in many generations. Have owned then, don’t now.
Free range hogs taste a lot like they smell when they are alive.
Toad Tiahrt is a closed minded (and small minded), self absorbed, hypocritical nut job. The best thing that will come out of this is that he will be unemployed! Start thinking about filing for unemployment Tanker Toad. The only thing that scares me more than Tiahrt is his twin brother Sham Brownback becoming governor. Moran for Kansas :-)
superquad
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Hmmmmm….
Any “kids” been calling you on the telephone?
I rilly rilly rilly don’t want to perpetuate this real food v. factory food thread tangent. But you’ve forced my hand.
I raised a couple of Hereford heifers a few years ago. They lived most of their lives grazing 80 acres on their own. When it came down to their Judgment Day I kept ‘em in a much smaller enclosure and they got fat off it. God love ‘em, them ol’ gals came up with four sides of tasty beef.
I’m not goin’ all PETA on ya.
It’s the quality of the food.
Even WE Blog CONs have come forth to talk about the superiority of chickens raised outside a 1′x 1′ foot cage.
And it’s come to the point you can’t buy a piece of pig meat without it being infused with a saline solution (salt water) to make it more “juicy.”
You’re paying $3.95 a pound for water, people!
I’m not sure of the details but farm-raised salmon doesn’t turn pink. So they put dye on it for grocery stores.
It may not kill people, but it seems there’s something wrong there.
And it’s come to the point you can’t buy a piece of pig meat without it being infused with a saline solution (salt water) to make it more “juicy.”
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That has nothing to do with adulterating the ham with water, it’s called ‘the pickle.’ It’s a curing process were salt water or sugar is infused into the ham. Some hams use a combination of that and smoke.
I agree about a lot of the store bought food. Buy locally raised and processed. . Of course, Salmon is a bit tough to get locally…..
Regular, I have to disagree. Actually, many of the processed meats have water added to up the weight, and to make it LOOK plumper. You pay for the water.
Of course, Salmon is a bit tough to get locally…..
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They just don’t do well on bromegrass.
You’re paying $3.95 a pound for water, people!
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You’re paying $3.95 a pound for packaging, people!
In Cuba you can buy your meat right off of the 110 degree street.
littlejohn
Posted November 20, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink
Regular, I have to disagree. Actually, many of the processed meats have water added to up the weight, and to make it LOOK plumper. You pay for the water.
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Yeah, processed canned hams have a lot of water, but I don’t even buy those, not worth the money – unless you like to buy spongy meat.
Good hams – like Cure81 or other brands that are packaged, smoke, injected with a brine etc. to act as a bacteria static and pickling agent.
ANTI
Posted November 20, 2009 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
In Cuba you can buy your meat right off of the 110 degree street.
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Never buy goat meat that has ‘paws’ on it.
MHawk–
Wild salmon turns pink because of its diet of tasty crustaceons (like lobster shells).
Farm salmon doesn’t because they’re fed commercial fish food.
Ending the US embargo on Cuba would do nothing to help spread democracy. European and Latin American democracies trade freely with Cuba and Cuba has been quite immune to picking up any democratic ideas. Dictators have no incentive to relinquish power there, or anywhere else.