The Republican Party’s opposition to all things Obama has earned it the nickname “the party of ‘no.’” But the GOP is betting that its opposition will attract voters concerned about deficits and unemployment. “We’re the party of know: k-n-o-w,” said Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas, chairman of House Republicans’ campaign committee. GOP strategist Vin Weber sees no downside to “no” votes. “The basic rule is you rarely pay a price at the polls for being against something,” he said, though he acknowledged, “that’s quite aside from whether you should or shouldn’t, or whether the country needs it or doesn’t need it.”
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Perhaps if the Crats wouldn’t be dumping all these bad bills on Congress, Republicans wouldn’t have to say no.
Let’s see:
The Porkulus Package: O’BAMA promised 1 million jobs and unemployment below 8 percent has yield 3,000 jobs and the unemployment rate is nearly 10 percent.
Health Care Reform: Other than calling American people N@zi’s, who were protesting the Government ran insurance, O’BAMA has waste more ‘air time’ than Dan Rather on his bogus National Guard report on George Bush.
Cap and Trade proposal should be renamed to Rape and Raid: This will be the largest Tax increase in U.S. history and drive the economy to dust.
Duh Dems adding pork to the Defense Bill: that have zero to do with Defense spending (Hate Crimes legislation).
Cognitive Dissonance on Health Care Reform
Or the Great Deception
by Michael Tanner
Cognitive dissonance is defined as holding two completely contradictory ideas at the same time.
That seems to be the case with the American public, with a new poll showing rising support for a so-called public option in health care, even as the public continues to oppose greater government control over the health care system.
Most likely that is because
supporterspropagandists of a public option have successfully framed it as just that: an option. That seems entirely reasonable. The American people believe in “choice” and “competition.”Government Plan requires taxpayers to pick up the tab
A government-run plan would have an inherent advantage in the marketplace, because it ultimately would be subsidized by taxpayers. The government plan could keep its premiums artificially low or offer extra benefits, because it could turn to taxpayers to cover any shortfalls. At the very least, the program carries with it an implicit guarantee against future losses. Would a Congress that has bailed out banks and automobile companies because they are “too big to fail” resist subsidizing the
government’s insurance plan if it began to lose money?
Government Plans shift cost to Private Inurance
Government plans such as Medicare and Medicaid traditionally reimburse providers at rates considerably lower than those of private insurance. Providers recoup the lost income by shifting costs onto those with private insurance.
Government Plan would force up to 85 million out of private insurance
At the low end, the Congressional Budget Office suggests that about three million people would be involuntarily shifted to the government plan under the House bill. On the other hand, the actuarial firm Lewin Associates assumes that the government plan would be open to everyone. Under that scenario, they suggest, 89.5 million workers
would be forced into the government plan.
In the end, the private insurance market would be eviscerated, leaving millions of Americans with no choice but the government-run program. No choice. No competition.
We would effectively be on the road to a single-payer health care system, with the government in complete control of one-sixth of the U.S. health care system and some of the most important, personal, and private decisions in our lives. Down that road lie massive new taxes, huge budget deficits, and ultimately government rationing of
care.
That is not what the American people are telling pollsters they support.
Excellent posts Mr. Regular.
Once known as the “Party of big ideas”, to now be known as the “Party of well to do nothing is still the other Party”.
Sadly there are some ideas that have been thrown out there that are sound.
But because the Party is taking the opposition to anything, they voice is discounted when they do present those ideas.
Because of the simple minded decision to be nothing more then the grumpy ole man in the back of the room. They do not look at the Public option as a way to get people that can afford to contribute to paying for their health care. And getting people off of Medicaid, this would lower the cost of that program.
It is not to be free and we are only talking about 6% that could be eligible to be on it.
Because they are sounding more the party of paranoid then the party of dependable and wise thinking.
Conservatives are only serving to bring about the end of the Republican party.
There are two ways to become the leaders, one is to show you are smart enough and willing to take the lead.
The other is to simply stand there till finally no one else wants to be the leader.
Now ask the country which one they would rather vote for?
If the government can lower our Health Care costs by providing an Public Health Insurance “Option” why not provide a Public Grocery option to combat the abusive practices of profit bloated Grocery Store Companies like Kroger/Dillons?
Since those companies operate at a profit, they are charging extra for their services, right?
Like Insurance Companies, Grocery stores have colluded together to fix the price of Milk and eggs to take your money to pay their greedy little employees and stockholders.
Food prices are increasing…..so grocery stores are just getting greedy.
Come to think about it, the guvment can provide a low cost option for everything since there will be no more profit. They just have to syphon enough tax revenue out of the economy first.
The public option then, is no option at all. Those who work for a living, pay for it whether they choose to take it or not.
I am going to agree with Anti, Regular post does make several valid points.
But I would rather add that these are key point that the Republicans should be giving solutions instead of responding like winy children.
“ Government Plan requires taxpayers to pick up the tab
A government-run plan would have an inherent advantage in the marketplace, because it ultimately would be subsidized by taxpayers.”
Require that the Democratic stick to their word, it is to be solely funded and supported
by those who are in it. That in deed it is to be ran like the private insurance, having no more advantage than that given to private insurance gets. Right now private already get taxpayer dollar to support it. Then they depend on the dollars that they receive from premiums.
“ Government Plans shift cost to Private Inurance
Government plans such as Medicare and Medicaid traditionally reimburse providers at rates considerably lower than those of private insurance. Providers recoup the lost income by shifting costs onto those with private insurance“.
This could be a sticky issue, but it should be done as Private insurance does.
You have a co-pay and the insurance establishes the amount their will also pay.
But not to the point that the Doctor is shorted or forced to accept a vast reduction in their fees. Just how much of the 150.00 office call is just above the overhead and acceptable profit?
“ Government Plan would force up to 85 million out of private insurance”
This is the “boggy man” that is thrown out, it is not forcing out from private insurance. No more then the car dealership that sells you the same car for a lesser price. Would force you away from the car dealership down the street.
This is not about the insurance companies, it is about health care and being able to afford it. Again the public option is restricted so there would be no rush to switch.
Your company does need a more realistic option for insurance for their employees.
This is where the Co-OPs could come in, instead of the employer walking in hat in hand and fifty employees. They can be in mass with other companies and shopping.
As screwed up as the Republic party is, they have one saving grace; the Democratic party. The best intentions in the world do no good if the Dems are incapable of governing (and that seems to be the case). If roles were reversed and Republicans were in charge, there would have been a blizzard of new legislation by now.
2010 will be here before you know it. If Dems don’t get organized and get something accomplished, 2010 is going to be a blood bath.
Dems are losing the support of Independents (and yes, that includes my support). I see no reason to support a gaggle of morons who can’t get over their individual selves long enough to get SOMETHING done.
The Republic Party was against Social Security. Then they were against Social Security.
Yeah, how’s that working out for you?
Oops . . . correction: then they were against Medicare.
The party of “NO!” better know that the majority of the American public has waited far too long for comprehensive healthcare reform, and if they screw it up, as they seem intent on doing, the public is going to exact the price at the polls for a long time to come.
The Party of KNOW? Oohh, that’s so edgy. What’s the difference between a Republican, and a Rebellious teenager? They both throw fits if something doesn’t go their way, but at least a Rebellious teenager will grow out of it.
GOP strategist Vin Weber sees no downside to “no” votes. “The basic rule is you rarely pay a price at the polls for being against something,” he said, though he acknowledged, “that’s quite aside from whether you should or shouldn’t, or whether the country needs it or doesn’t need it.”
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Isn’t that the most cynical, bleep what the public wants comment you’ve ever heard? What a scum.
Dennis
Just vote Libertarian.
Opps, sorry, that requires
a working brain. My bad.
This might come as a shock to most people but as a conservative I think about 90% of what’s wrong with healthcare is directly because of government involvement.
Social Security is a broke mess. Medicare is a cruel joke.
I send my congressman to Washington to say NO to the democrats as they try to take more and more control over our lives.
Howd,
What does the Libertine party offer other than no taxes, no benefits, no laws and no government? Anarchy has been tried before, most recently in Somalia. Thanks, but no thanks.
Social Security is a broke mess. Medicare is a cruel joke.
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It gets worse:
House Dems want Medicare for everyone
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/64029-medicare-for-everyone
Bankrupt.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:26 am | Permalink
The Republic Party was against Social Security. Then they were against Social Security.
Yeah, how’s that working out for you?
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LMFAO. They are bankrupt you dipschitt. What a moron.
Hah hah “Party of Know.” Party of Know-Nothing, they must have meant.
“No climate change. No evolution. No civil liberties (unless you’re a corporation). No bid contracts. No protection from being raped at work.”
NO!
NO!
NO!
It reminds of me of convicted felon Ted Stevens: “NO!”
But seriously. Everyone who works in politics knows that you can’t get someone elected just because the incumbent is bad. The challenger has to have something better to offer. The adage “better the devil you know” is true in politics, especially when it comes to voter behavior on election day. Go ahead, Republicans. Keep up the “NO!” message. It’ll get you a long, long way.
HAH!
It doesn’t seem to be the conservatives I hear whining here today. Dennis, cap, writer, – only XXX is feeling the frustration the conservatives felt when they were in power and wasted that advantage.
If the dems have the votes then they should be pushing their agenda. By labeling the GOP as the party of NO they are simply reminding those against the bloated spending of this administration that the repub are say NO loudly and frequently. By whining about a news organization they are driving up the ratings of said network because the listeners want to hear what the administration doesn’t want them to know. By whining about the Bush recession they are reminding voters that even though they have increased spending and put us even deeper in debt the jobs are still non existent.
So keep up the attacks. Voters have wised up. I agree with XXX the 2010 elections will be a turning point.
By making this a real bipartisan healthcare bill some good things could be accomplished. This would be a good start and wouldn’t be the ’slash and burn’ program of the dems.
Compromise isn’t a four letter word.
WASHINGTON — Faced with embarrassing revelations about withheld evidence, the Justice Department on Wednesday moved to reverse the conviction of former Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who lost his bid for re-election just days after a jury found that he had lied about gifts and home renovations.
Justice Department lawyers asked a judge to dismiss the indictment against Stevens and toss out his conviction _ effectively killing their own courtroom victory with a shocking admission of misbehavior by prosecutors.
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As usual the dems are behind the curve because they get their news from MSNBC or CNN. It it wasn’t on SNL they didn’t hear it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/01/ted-stevens-conviction-to_n_181632.html
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Tom this is why the republicans are the party of ‘know’.
You people have the white house and both houses of Congress and you are still whining and bithcing about this?
If your plans are so wonderful, you don’t need bi-partisan support. Sounds to me like your plans su ck so bad even your won party won’t vote for it. And you people don’t want to be responsible for holding the bag when this goatfuuck has to be paid for.
You people are 100% ineffective and pathetic. This has been your baby for decades and when you get all the power you need to get it done? You whine and cry and point at the neo-cons. How totally pathetic.
The Party of Know, I know they screwed the country up.
Phantom
Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink
The Party of Know, I know they screwed the country up.
LMFAO. Let’s talk deficits there Phantom. You people are a total joke. You refuse to see. You can’t get anything accomplished. You whine and cry and point fingers.
Pa
the
tic
Phamtom how is that ‘hope and change’ working for you?
I’m hoping that the changes he has wrought to this point can be fixed when he is gone.
Yes he can!
Okobserver, thanks for taking that bait.
The judge in that case called it the “most shocking display of prosecutorial misconduct” he had ever seen. Prosecutors who were appointed by…
….wait for it….
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. The same people who brought you Michael “Heck of a job” Brown, and other completely incompetent political hacks.
There was more to that case, but the AG Holder asked the judge to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and I don’t blame him. Ashcroft and Gonzales trashed DOJ for political purposes, and the Stevens case was one of the end results.
Thanks for playing!
Sol,
Remind us all again, because I’m sure we’ve forgotten: How much did that little adventure in Iraq cost?
Almost a trillion, wasn’t it?
And how many thousands of US and Iraqi lives?
Tom thanks for trying to save face with your lame excuse. If you dems would just educate yourselves better you wouldn’t step in it so often.
And how many thousands of US and Iraqi lives?
While I am looking up those numbers and the current deficit copmpared to last year’s, why don’t you compile a list of lib reps that kept voting to fund the war?
Oh yeah, and the libs that voted to give the power to go to war in the first place.
You really want to go head to head on this?
Okobserver, really, it was bait, and I’m glad you took it. But in any case, don’t you remember Steven’s temper tantrum on the Senate floor, when people were stripping some of his most egregious earmarks from the budget? Hilarity, absolute hilarity.
NO!
SolDevVB Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:55 am | Permalink
You really want to go head to head on this?
Sol,
It was a question, not a challenge to your manhood. Put the testosterone patch down, calm yourself, and back slowly away.
It was a Republican controlled Senate, Republican controlled House, and a Republican controlled White House that led this nation into Iraq. The war hysteria ginned up by DICK Cheney and his staffers, including the cherry-picked intelligence and all the BS about Iraq and 9/11, were used to browbeat people who should have known better into voting for that fiasco. I’m sad that people on both sides of the aisle, who knew better, voted for that crap.
Deficit FY 2008
$454 billion
Deficit FY 2009
$1,417 billion
fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0909.pdf
Cost of Iraq war to date
$693 billion.
costofwar.com
American deaths in Iraq.
4351
icasualties.org/
How many liberal reps voted to fund the war? Who were they?
How many libs voted to give the power to go to war in the first place? Who were they?
What have the liberals done to stop the deaths and outlay to Iraq?
What have the libs done beside whine about Iraq? Have you people done anything but whine?
You have total control over the government. What have you people done with that power?
Has the Iraq war ended? Afghanistan? Detainees?
What have you people done but spend an extra trillion (and what did that get us exactly), whine and point fingers?
Oh yeah. You people took over GM. Closed some “right leaning” dealerships and provided nothing – nothing in compensation for those that lost their business. That there is some compassion for you.
And you’ve also gotten real good at GEORGE BUSH!!! GEORGE BUSH!!!
You people should be ever so proud of yourselves.
Tom you need to go back and study your history on the Iraq vote. Look at the major voices in the debate. Both Clintons takes. See what Pelosi said. See what Reid said.
I could look up the quotes but you can look them also.
One thing you don’t remember about the Stevens case – and I am in no way defending Stevens – is that the repub party was in turmoil in Alaska. They were split right down the middle. So to say that they were Bush appointees is really off the mark. I have little faith in most of our courts. It was dirty politics as usual.
Rule 1
Never make a politican mad at you.
While we sit here and debate whose fault it is – the economy is tanking. Obama is ignoring our troops in Afganistan as if no war is happening there. The Defense Sec is telling him we have to act. Bring the troops home or support them.
None of us here will make one iota of difference in what happens in DC today. But we can make a difference with our votes in 2010.
Sol,
The FY2009 budget is a Bush budget, but with *real* numbers. That FY2008 number doesn’t include Iraq war spending, which Bush cleverly kept off the main budget and had funded through continuing resolutions.
Try again.
Iraq is being wound down, as is Guantanamo. Afghanistan, which should have been the focus in the beginning, is probably beyond anything the US can do, but Obama is going to try to fix THAT Bush effup.
Lovely contradiction: You’re angry that the US bailed out GM, but equally angry that some dealerships closed in the process. Pick one, okay? But you can’t be angry at both at the same time, because you’ll make your head explode.
The targeting of right-wing dealers has been dealt with, and shown to be a lie. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/chrysler.asp
Okobserver, as I pointed out to Sol, I know that Democrats and Republicans who should have known better voted for the Iraq war. But the Bush Administration is responsible for it, it was Bush’s war, and he blew it. It was a war of choice, and as bad a choice as has been made by an American president since Johnson decided to escalate Vietnam.
Oh, and re: the Stevens prosecutors: That trial was conducted in Washington, DC, not in Alaska. Those were DC prosecutors under the direct control of the AG’s office.
I was of course talking about the ‘witnesses’ that made the whole case initially. They were the reason it was overturned. Our justice system is broken in so many ways.
His ‘fellow’ repubs were some of the best witnesses.
I think we should send them all home and start over.
Well work is calling and my blogging time is done. I doubt if we solved the worlds problems but we probably made a dent in them.
The FY2009 budget is a Bush budget, but with *real* numbers. That FY2008 number doesn’t include Iraq war spending,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh. God. You were serious? Guess you didn’t follow the link.
The total cost of Iraq from 2001 to present was also privided. Not quite the extra trillion obama spent.
Let’s see, I’m pi ssed that the government took over GM and that they closed some specific dealerships. OK, so where does this confuse you?
So now I answered your questions, and then some. Why don’t you give mine a go:
How many liberal reps voted to fund the war? Who were they? How many times did they vote to fund the war? If the funds were not being accounted for properly, why did they still vote to pass?
How many libs voted to give the power to go to war in the first place? Who were they?
What have the liberals done to stop the deaths and outlay to Iraq?
What have the libs done beside whine about Iraq? Have you people done anything but whine?
You have total control over the government. What have you people done with that power?
Has the Iraq war ended? Afghanistan? Detainees?
What have you people done but spend an extra trillion (and what did that get us exactly), whine and point fingers?
okobserver
Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink
– only XXX is feeling the frustration the conservatives felt when they were in power and wasted that advantage.
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XXX has about had it with BOTH major political parties and is looking for a new political home that isn’t lying, thieving, crooked Republicans or sissy, puzzy, can’t agree on anything, incapable of governing Democrats.
Curse both parties; a pox on both of your houses. Having worked for Perot’s campaign, I know better than to advocate a third party. But I’m sure puking sick of the two parties of loosers we have to pick between now.
It’s like trying to choose between scum and pond scum.
It’s like someone burns down your house that you just bought and didn’t have insured, it’s going to cost a great deal to rebuild. Obama’s in the process of rebuilding, so don’t whine when you have to pay for the repub screw ups.
I can understand the repub party position, when you only have 20% that’ll identify with your party, what have you got to lose by going and staying negative, especially if you have no real solutions?
Sol, I’ve already addressed most of your questions, but I’m not your secretary. Playing frog to your command to “jump” and type up lists for you isn’t what I do. I’ve said how disappointed and angry I am at anyone, Rs or Ds, who voted for this stupid, wasteful, nation-destroying war.
And I think it’s our nation that’s being destroyed by the Iraq war, if anyone wonders what I meant.
Tom,
OK. Point taken. Your stance is pretty weak. Your party is pretty weak. I understand your not wanting to engage. Pity I fell for it. Won’t make that mistake again.
Phantom,
That is the best you have? Seriously? GEORGE BUSH GEORGE BUSH!!!
Keep saying that in 2010 and 2012 OK?
I said before bush ever left office it’d take at the least a decade to undo the damage he and the repubs wrought. Patience Grasshopper.
Howd,
What does the Libertine party offer other than no taxes, no benefits, no laws and no government? Anarchy has been tried before, most recently in Somalia. Thanks, but no thanks.
Jed, you are wrong.
Libertarians are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.
They believe in a framework of laws and low
taxes to pay for necessary services. They
also believe in personal responsibility. They
also believe mature adults can operate their
own lives best and can make decisions about
their own lives without the government telling
them how or what to think.
All that, however, is just way, way too much work
for the simple-minded sheep we call American voters, which is why we have
the nannies (Democrats) and the thought-police
(Republicans) in power.
I don’t know where you came up with Libertarians
being in favor of anarchy, but I would challenge
you to prove that.
On the other hand, I can prove to you that almost
all voters want a free lunch — they want all the
goodies from government, but they sure as heck
don’t want to pay for any of it. That is the crux of this country’s problems.
LMFAO. And you think obama will do that by raising the deficit a trillion dollars in his first year alone. And by signing over our sovereignty in Copenhagen? And the budget busting “health care reform”?
Again, aside from taking over GM and spending an extra trillion this year, what has your party done since Feb 20th?
That is the crux of this country’s problems.
Amen.
Howd,
The Libetines I’ve talked to are people who are mad that there is a government, at least as regards themselves. They want the people they don’t like governed, but are just sure they don’t need it. They don’t want to pay taxes, but they also b*tch about potholes. And about keeping black people and Jews under control. They want their guns, but they don’t want those they don’t like to have bigger guns than theirs. Basically, they are self-centered, bitter and biased folk, who want theirs and damn the rest!
“That is the crux of this country’s problems.”
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No, the “crux” of the problem is, we’re governed by crooks and we’re too stupid to do anything about it.
Baaaaaa, Baaaaaa……
“SolDevVB” –
So the “crux” of this nation’s problems is the concept of “Equal protection under the law,” huh?
There’s that old saw about how equal protection protects the rights of both the billionaire and the bum to sleep under a bridge.
I don’t know a lot of real Libertarians. They tend to be cafeteria Libertarians who mostly want to smoke dope and pay no taxes at all, until the trailer catches on fire. Or their SSI check gets caught up in the mail.
As a political party, Libertarians are a joke. In one of those (public) TV candidate debates that includes all parties, the Libertarian candidate is usually the bearded guy with a mullet who shows up wearing worn-out Levi’s and an “I’m With Stupid” t-shirt.
Libertarians are nominally good-hearted people, from my personal experience. But they’re the kind of folk who think a bake sale outside a Walmart can “buy baby Jacie a new liver” or decide to ride their Harleys this weekend (as if they wouldn’t do it every weekend anyway) to “help Jerry’s kids.”
What strikes me as recurring absurdity from WE Blog CONs is how much they think they know about bidness, government, the rich, the poor, “Mezkins,” African-Americans, communism, socialism, capitalism, and real life as it’s faced by people outside their personal sphere of friends.
On the other hand, I can prove to you that almost
all voters want a free lunch — they want all the
goodies from government, but they sure as heck
don’t want to pay for any of it. That is the crux of this country’s problems.
Damn you’re dumb.
Some Libertarians also foolishly insist that they are experts on climate science.
LMAO. So do some 8th grade girls. How’s school working out for you cosmo?
No, the “crux” of the problem is, we’re governed by crooks and we’re too stupid to do anything about it.
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We have a winner!
I’ll give that a harrumph!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99jshaQbY
Hah hah, Anti, very funny! Here’s one that was floating around last year right before the election:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYZDDSTsomE
Most 8th grade girls understand much more climate science than soldevvb.
soldevvb cannot understand the affects of natural variabilities, long-term versus short-term trends, the multiple forcing factors, and other basics of climate science.
And what’s even funnier (and sadder). . . soldevvb cannot understand that s/he does not understand climate science.
Ah, the attack on reason from the
Stupid Squad is in full force.
Let me fire back at the missing links.
Your point: SolDevVB Damn you’re dumb.
My point: Not as dumb as you, and I’m also better looking.
Your point: Some Libertarians also foolishly insist that they are experts on climate science.
My point: And who would that be?
Your point: No, the “crux” of the problem is, we’re governed by crooks and we’re too stupid to do anything about it.
My point: Hey, you’re right!!! You get what you
vote for. Why not tell that to SolDevVB, however,
I doubt that poster has an functioning brain.
Your point: SolDevVB Damn you’re dumb.
My point: Not as dumb as you, and I’m also better looking.
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(Ahem) I agreed with you. The “damn you’re dumb” was directed at “monkey”. I agreed with the last point of your post and “monkey” went all Nanci Pelosi over it.
As per your “better looking” remark, I wouldn’t know nor much care.
Nancy for the nazis out there.
I doubt that poster has an functioning brain.
LMFAO. You should read these posts more. You’ll not find a stronger Libertarian voice here.
LMFAO.
Uhm, boyhowdy, I don’t think Sol was referring to you with his “Damn, your dumb” comment.
Sol has his faults, and he has displayed them in abundance on this thread (basically, he frequently posts like a sixth to eighth grade bully).
That being said, Sol is your ideological ally. More than likely, he thought he was supplying “context” to your comment and the snark was directed at XXX. After all, his first response to your comment was an “amen”.
Actually, while I almost completely disagree with libertarians on what to do about it (or even how to interpret the problem), I think your comment about the source of our problems (people want government goodies but don’t want to pay for them) is closer to the mark than XXX simple dismissal of politicians as crooks.
“That being said, Sol is your ideological ally. More than likely, he thought he was supplying ‘context’ to your comment and the snark was directed at XXX.”
My mistake, although in all fairness that mistake came from the fact that “he frequently posts like a sixth to eighth grade bully.”
So, you think “damn, your dumb” was an adequate response to what Monkeyhawk posted in response to boyhowdy?
I have an appropriate response, but you’ve already said it. Look in the mirror and repeat yourself.
Tired of your party affiliation? Try something new.
Comes now, the “Oath Keepers.” And who might they be?
Writes Alan Maimon in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Oath Keepers,depending on where one stands, are “either strident defenders of liberty
or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.”
Formed in March, they are ex-military and police who re-pledge themselves to defend the Constitution, even if it means disobeying orders. If the U.S. government ordered law enforcement agencies to violate Second Amendment rights by disarming the people, Oath Keepers
will not obey.
“The whole point of Oath Keepers is to stop a dictatorship from ever happening here,” says founding father Stewart Rhodes, an ex-Army paratrooper and Yale-trained lawyer. “My focus is on the guys with the
guns, because they can’t do it without them.
Oath Keepers is not preaching violence or government overthrow, Rhodes
said. On the contrary, it is asking police and the military to lay down
their arms in response to unlawful orders.
The group’s Web site, http://www.oathkeepers.org, features videos and
testimonials in which supporters compare President Barack Obama’s
America to Adolf Hitler’s Germany. They also liken Obama to England’s
King George III during the American Revolution.
One member, in a videotaped speech at an event in Washington, D.C.,
calls Obama “the domestic enemy the Constitution is talking about.”
According to the law center, militia groups are re-emerging in this country partly as a result of racial animosity toward Obama.
It’s the “cross-pollinating” of extremist groups — some racist, some not — that is of concern, Potok said. As evidence that the danger is real, he points to several recent murders committed by men with
anti-government or racist views.
“2010 will be here before you know it. If Dems don’t get organized and get something accomplished, 2010 is going to be a blood bath. ”
How can they get anything done? They are much too busy still blaming Bush and calling the opposition names.
No time to legislate!
bowhowdy2 posted October 21, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Your point: Some Libertarians also foolishly insist that they are experts on climate science.
My point: And who would that be?
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People like soldevvb, who foolishly insist that AGW is supposed to completely eliminate natural variations, or some other similar ridiculous claim.
Natural variations appear to be eliminating the myth of AGW.
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SolDevVB
Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:06 pm | Permalink
LMFAO. You should read these posts more. You’ll not find a stronger Libertarian voice here.
LMFAO.
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No offense intended, but I’d have to rate Austrian Economist as the strongest Libertarian voice ’round these parts.
Libertarians.. the starry-eyed Utopians who ignore what “free market” forces have done to wreck our economy.
according to the washington post, only 20% of Americans are identifying themselves as republicans. Lowest point since 1983.
If elections were held today, a general democrat would win by 51%, republican vote 38%.
That was just on Keith Olbermann.
Pmom, that 20% is the same number (within the margin of error) as the “bitter enders” that gave Bush a good approval rating in 07 and 08. It’s got to be a pretty lonely group. You saw his thing about the next round of Tea Bagging, right?
On the other hand, don’t read too much into nation wide polls that try to draw conclusions about district races. They each have their own dynamic that this kind of polling doesn’t do a good job at exposing.
Ah, the dismal Libs, believe anything they read without actually reading it.
The HuffinPuff post is the spreader of the false news.
Here’s what HP wrote:
Reporting on the new ABC/Washington Post poll has mostly focused on support for a public health care option. But the poll also shows that, while Republicans have succeeded in stonewalling Democratic initiatives in Congress, they have not managed to rebuild their party.
Only 20 percent of respondents identified themselves as Republicans — the lowest number since 1983.
Okay, that on it’s surface appears convincing, but here’s the deception:
The poll wasn’t specifically on how many people in the country are identified as Republicans.
The poll was on Public option gains support.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html?hpid=topnews
Not did the HuffinPuff post spin the story to its own readers, it spun what the intent of the original Washington Post Poll was all about.
If one reads the original paragraph I supplied from HP, you will see the story is about Public Option.
There was never a poll on how many people in the U.S. identify themselves as Republican.
I made an earlier post that shows such a poll breaks down as this:
1/3 Republican Party
1/3 Democratic Party
1/3 Independent
Those are the real numbers.
Libs, such suckers and such low reading comprehension.
baaa baaa
Sheeples…
Not did the = Not only did the
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DavidB
Posted October 21, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Permalink
Libertarians.. the starry-eyed Utopians who ignore what “free market” forces have done to wreck our economy.
Free markets didn’t wreck the economy. Criminal behavior plus stupid mandates from government to loan to anyone with a pulse created an easy money scheme that collasped on itself.
Since government intervention created the problem, more is going to prevent it?
thomaswitt
Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink
Hah hah “Party of Know.” Party of Know-Nothing, they must have meant.
“No climate change. No evolution. No civil liberties (unless you’re a corporation). No bid contracts. No protection from being raped at work.”
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Tommi:
“Know” enough to doubt the chicken little global warming predictions.
“Know” enough to know that macro-evolution is nothing more than speculation by scientists who rule out the action of God.
“Know” that if you aren’t alive, civil liberties mean nothing.
“Know” enough that Franken’s so-called rape bill was a special interest favor to trial lawyers and that if he wanted a bill that just addressed rape, he could have had it unanimously.
I think I’m going to like this “party of know” theme.
outlander posted October 21, 2009 at 10:28 pm
“Know” enough to doubt the chicken little global warming predictions.
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outlander,
You don’t know enough about about AGW science to even realize that your denial of AGW science is ignorant and ridiculous.
Outlander,
-Ice caps and glaciers are melting (a couple of them in the Sierras I climbed 30 years ago (crap, I feel old)), and the average ocean temperatures are rising. Those are observed, objective facts. Climate change is real and its here.
-All evolution is “micro-evolution” in the way you define it. Anti-science types just deny that there’s been the millions of years necessary in our planet’s history to account for the kinds of changes evolution has clearly wrought. As to the “God” bit, I don’t argue religion or faith or God with anyone, ever. You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe, the end.
-I know that the Bush administration, specifically people like Cheney and those he surrounded himself with, don’t give a good d4mn about anyone’s liberties but their own.
-I know that Franken’s bill would not have allowed corporations to send to arbitration any cases arising from sexual abuse, including rape, if they were going to take my tax dollars. I also know that common people – you know, the employees who are routinely run over by corporate lawyers (such as the woman gang raped by her Halliburton co-workers) – must have access to the same legal protections your sacred corporate shills have. Whining about “trial lawyers” is nothing but corporate elitism, which goes to the point I made about corporations having more rights than people.
Yeah, I like this “party of know.” Right.
“I think I’m going to like this “party of know” theme.”
GOOD! We could ask no more of you.
When you are a powerless opposition group, saying “no” and making a clear distinction between yourself and the party with monopoly power may be the only practical course of action. Any bill proposed by a Republican will never even get a hearing in the one-party-rule Congress we have now. So is time better spent crafting legislation that cannot possibly pass, or in pointing out the problems with the power group’s proposals and trying to rally the people against them? The current situation (same party in control of the White House, House and Senate with 60 or more seats – not to mention a “press” that might as well don short skirts and grab pom pons for all the cheerleading they do for Obama) hasn’t prevailed since the Johnson Administration.
No offense intended, but I’d have to rate Austrian Economist as the strongest Libertarian voice ’round these parts.
Fair enough.