An Opinion Line comment Tuesday said that “Jesus Christ was the ultimate liberal.” Maybe not after the Conservative Bible Project is finished. In what sounds like a parody but isn’t, the son of conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly is leading an effort to cleanse “liberal bias” from modern translations of the Bible and create “a fully conservative Bible,” the Washington Post reported. “Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations,” the group’s Web site contends. One of the guidelines of the project is to explain “the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning.”
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Hahahahahahaha . . .and the mighty wingnuts strike again. Didjaknow if you live around Ashville, NC, on halloween ya can join in burning Satan’s books? You betcha:
“According to Amazing Grace Baptist Church’s Web site, attendees will be “burning perversions of God’s word,” including “Satan’s bibles” and “Satan’s popular books written by heretics” like Mother Theresa, Billy Graham, James Dobson, and the Pope. They’ll also burn “Satan’s music, such as country, rock, pop, heavy metal, western, soft and easy, southern gospel, contemporary Christian, jazz, soul, oldies but goldies.””
The AP reports that Marc Grizzard, the pastor at the the Canton, North Carolina church, wants “to light a fire under true believers” and that “the King James version of the Bible is the only one his small western North Carolina church follows. … [A]ll other versions, such as the Living Bible, are ’satanic’ and ‘perversions’ of God’s word.”
And the wingnuts keep getting wingnuttier and wingnuttier. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Hey, nice fall day out there. Trees starting to show colors. Going to take the big dog for a walk among the growing numbers of leaves, and then some projects.
In regard to the topic, I have a 20 year old NIV. Underlined in a lot of places with notes in the margin. Not as worn as it should be.
IMO, just stick with the faithful accepted interpretations such as NIV, American Standard, KJV and NKJV, etc…. When you try to modify it to your delicate taste, or remove the parts you don’t like (like Jefferson), or changing the gender identity of God (yup, there are those versions), you are trying to build God in your image.
That ain’t how it works.
Yeah…
All that Commie-Fascist “Blessed are the poor…” and “…the Peace-Makers…” crap.
Get that out of the Bible and now!
No CON responded to my post yesterday about the widow’s mite.
This weekend, some church in Georgia is burning all books not the KJV Bible… including some heretical tomes by those satanists Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, and Billy Graham.
But there’s nothing crazy about that…
Kind of covered this a few days ago and with nothing new to add I will just say have a great day today you worthless scum!
I suppose that if the liberals need to dumb down the Bible to make them ‘feel’ better it wouldn’t do too much harm. However, it is a little scarey that they get all upset about an honest translation.
I was raised on the KJV and that’s good enough for me.
“IMO, just stick with the faithful accepted interpretations such as NIV, American Standard, KJV and NKJV, etc…. ”
And realize that all of these stand as different interpretations containing their own prejudices.
Hank I don’t know how I managed to post twice within the same minute. Once as me American_Way and Once as me HLP too.
Me being you and all. (Or is that you being me?)
[sarcasm]
LP
Posted October 17, 2009 at 7:24 am | Permalink
I suppose that if the liberals need to dumb down the Bible to make them ‘feel’ better it wouldn’t do too much harm. However, it is a little scarey that they get all upset about an honest translation.
I was raised on the KJV and that’s good enough for me.
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Nobody’s getting upset about the bible but some wingnutty fruitcakes.
But let’s go on the lighter side of pulling Liberal leanings outta the bible:
Miracle of the loaves and fishes? Gotta go. Can’t be free feeding people who can buy their own food. Free loaders taking advantage of the system? Bad!
Throwing out the money changers? Gotta go. Just honest financial managers making an honest buck. Putting limits on em is a Liberal idea.
Christ forgiving those who crucified him? Gotta go. In the world of Conservatives, ya can’t forgive; ya gotta execute.
Could go on and on, but it shows just how ridiculous the whole thing is. Politicizing the bible is just plain wrong. Those wackos are just plain nuts.
But the bottom line is this thread was posted to provide humor for those stupid enough to read it.
Adios, folks.
Jesus was neither liberal or conservative, He is the Son of God.
The Conservative Bible Project is an interesting idea but to me, the discussion of the Bible and what it means should be left in Sunday School with further explanation and guidance from the minister through sermons.
My Uncle, an ordained Southern Baptist Minister from 1948 until his death a couple of years ago, always said “Those (Ministers) who don’t deliver the plan of salvation at each sermon are just talking for themselves and not delivering the message of Christ.”
Of course, Baptists are not literalists, but we believe that the Bible is the final word of God’s authority.
I think any re-interpretation of the Bible, whether it be Liberal or Conservation should be looked at with skepticisim and caution.
Some believe you should achieve for yourself first and thereby others will also benefit. Others feel you should treat others with fairness at all times.
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2Tim KJV
The Greek word translated rightly dividing is orthotomeo, and is used only this one time in the Scriptures. It means “to cut straight,” to make a true and accurate division.
“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” 2Peter KJV
According to Mounce’s Analytical Greek Lexicon of the New Testament (1993), the Greek word epilusis (translated “interpretation” in 2 Peter 1:20) means primarily “a loosing” or “liberation.” The stem of epilusis is luo, and means literally “to loosen, unbind, unfasten”. So, “no prophecy of Scripture” ever was released, loosed, or given out by the prophets’ own interpretation or beliefs.
Reverend Way
PS: I agree with Walker
PS: I agree with Walker
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Of course, Walker takes it to the ridiculous extreme to make his point but I agree with his point. Changing the interpretation of the Bible to make it more conservative or liberal is equally wrong.
I tend to agree with Walker too.
But I thought the bible was the literal word of God? Didn’t it fall from heaven just like it is?
Yeah, I’m opposed to those new-fangled liberal interpretations myself! That’s why I have a facsimile copy of the 1599 Geneva Bible, the one with all the notes by men like John Knox and Calvin and like them!
None of that fancy-dancy King James bunky for me! If someone’s gonna tell ME what to think, he’d better be solidly conservative, not some thievin’ sodomite playboy such as I hear tell old Jimbo was!
Bible fire anyone? I have one they can burn.
“Phyllis Schlafly is leading an effort to cleanse “liberal bias” from modern translations of the Bible and create “a fully conservative Bible,”
She’s a little late. Al Franken already did a take on this in his book “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” in the chapter “Supply Side Jesus”.
Figures a Schafly would find they know more than God. Wow that’s one ballsy thing to do aint it? There are the Schafly’s for ya.
For those who don’t know who Phyllis is, she’s the one who is so anti woman she believes that women should have not been given the right to vote, is against the ERA, and believes women are subservient to their men, a woman should be happy to be her husband’s slave and babymaker and a woman should never want something more for herself…. all while, ya know, making a big name for herself with political power.
What does it say about the conservative movement that they are more conservative than people born shortly after Jesus’s time. Yeah, sending us back to the stone-age is just something they are part of. Told ya so.
Why is what is done to the Bible of such importance to those who profess not to believe it?
This is funny- it says their goals are
“benefiting from activity that no public school would ever allow; a Conservative Bible could become a text for public school courses
liberals will oppose this effort, but they will have to read the Bible to criticize this, and that will open their minds”
WTF? They think their version of the ‘its ok to stone women’ bible would be allowed in public schools? Uh, no. And they think Liberals have never read the bible? Most of us are or used to be fundy xians and realized how ridiculous it was.
Why, because people use it to justify their hideous acts and push their agenda. Just like the Koran.
Actually, this kind of blather is older than we think. In 1952 the Revised Standard Version was published to great acclaim (a copy was even formally presented to then-President Truman.) The translation committee attempted to stick as close to the original meaning of the words as possible, even translating the line in Isaiah about how “A virgin shall conceive and bear a son…” as “A maiden shall conceive…” which is closer to the Hebrew.
Trouble is, conservative Christians (and some not so much so) had so claimed this as a “proof text” of the Virgin Birth” –it isn’t, read the whole chapter– that protests arose. Rev. Carl McIntyre denounced it; North Carolina Pastor Martin Luther Hux burned a copy of the offending page in a nighttime ceremony at his church; a Baptist Minister declare it “not the Word of God” and burned it, mailing the ashes to the translation committee.
And today it sits quietly on shelves all over America, totally innocuous. I think that’s where this will go.
Pmom
Yeah you guys are paragons of virtue
“Why is what is done to the Bible of such importance to those who profess not to believe it?”
I just proves the hypocrisy.
Anybody here even bother to check out WHY King James “authorized” a ‘new’ translationn of the Bible??? It makes for interesting reading.
I know the bible has been perverted many times over, which is why I think Christianity in itself is nothing more than bunk. If there is a God, he wouldn’t be pulling this crap. He wouldn’t make following him so difficult and confusing. Pretty much any organized religion. Islam is a knock off of Judaism just like Christianity.
Chas,
I’m probably wrong but was it done to put the Bible in the language of the people so it could be more easily understood?
Heh
They have a message that people increasingly are less interested in. The solution? Alienate MORE people!
Actually, Islam is a “knock-off” of more than just Juddaism… Also includes some from early Christianity, as well as other Middle East religions… Islamic history is also a most interesting read…
Freebird1971
Posted October 17, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink
Chas,
I’m probably wrong but was it done to put the Bible in the language of the people so it could be more easily understood?
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Partially, Freebird… But also to have a Version, authorized by the HEAD of the Church of England, so that all attending Worship, would hear the SAME Version being read on Sundays by all priests… There were other versions of English Bibles in use, and depending on the Priest du jour, the Readings could have come from any one of a number of transltions…
King James want all people to hear the Same Reading, from ONE common Bible… And since the King was the official HEAD of the Church of England at that time, his word was Law…
There were MANY translators, and the writers included many from many different fields, including Shakespeare…
bunch of nutcases
BlueJay
Posted October 17, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink
“Phyllis Schlafly is leading an effort to cleanse “liberal bias” from modern translations of the Bible and create “a fully conservative Bible,”
She’s a little late. Al Franken already did a take on this in his book “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them” in the chapter “Supply Side Jesus”.
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The difference is that nobody actually reads anything that Franken publishes. (notice I said publish and not write because Frankens books are mostly ghost written, probably by Bill Ayers). Phyllis Schlafly on the other hand has done more for this Nation than almost any living person, including saving it from having the awful ERA become part of our Constitution.
“Why is what is done to the Bible of such importance to those who profess not to believe it?”
Freebird have you been eating spinach?
Yeah giving women equal rights is just such an awful thing isn’t it bigot?
Says a lot about you.
politicalmama
Posted October 17, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink
Yeah giving women equal rights is just such an awful thing isn’t it bigot?
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You can thank the Republican party for pushing the amendment that gave women the vote. Democrats were against it.
Yeah go ahead mama. Spout the party line. The ERA was not about equality for women. Thats why Schlafly was able to convince enough State Legislators to not ratify it and some States that had ratified to rescind later on.
Oh, and by the way mama. As the husband of one woman and the father of two others, do you really think I’m opposed to fair treatment of women? You are right in calling me a bigot though. I am very bigoted against stupid people, whether they be men or women. Thats why I’m not a democrat.
outlander
Posted October 17, 2009 at 6:59 am | Permalink
You are trying to build God in your image.
That ain’t is exactly how it works.
There, I fixed it.
Hmmm, the preview showed the strikeout, but it didn’t post. Looks like the Eagle’s blog software is as automatically revisionist as any Biblical translation. Consider the word “ain’t” above struck.
Politicalmama…I have read many misogynistic comments on these forums and have even called some out on it but have been ignored.
This could mean one of three things…
1. They agree with me and don’t bother to respond
2. They only read their own posts
3. They think misogyny is the happy ending after a massage.
thomaswitt
Posted October 17, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Hmmm, the preview showed the strikeout, but it didn’t post. Looks like the Eagle’s blog software is as automatically revisionist as any Biblical translation. Consider the word “ain’t” above struck.
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It was the hand of God.:)
Chrisbigotfrommactown, the arguements against the ERA were never ever based in any realistic arguments. I attended the ERA for Kansas, and it was so absurd the roadblocks that the right put up, they should have been absolutely laughed out of the room. The ERA simply says that women and men are equal in the eyes of the law. That’s it! There is no alterior motive behind it. It is beyond comprehension as to why anyone would oppose it unless they really just want women to not have legal equality.
Misogyny happens on this board a lot. I always try to call it out when I see it.
Regular,
I think the combination of three tags, italic, bold, and strikeout, was too much for the blog engine to handle all at once. You know, kind of like the problem conservatives seem to have with the idea that women should be treated equally to men – any discussion of the concept causes “conservatives” heads to implode.
#rightwingfail
I wonder if the conservative Bible would be on the list http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2286589/canton_nc_church_plans_halloween_biblebook.html
thomaswitt
Posted October 17, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
Regular,
I think the combination of three tags, italic, bold, and strikeout, was too much for the blog engine to handle all at once.
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Naw, it was just a nesting error – you can’t nest DEL inside other functions. It’s been around for awhile in some blog software.
I guess if you just can’t change yourself to agree with Scripture, change Scripture to agree with you.
Of course it usually isn’t this blatent- an interpretation here, a redefinition there, stress one verse and ignore the next etc.- but Scripture has been constantly altered for various agendas ever since it became Scripture. It’s not like it was carved in stone. So by now, it’s gotten so screwed up that nobody has a chance of knowing for sure what the original intent of any given passage was, but they’re sure ready to kill for it,whatever it means. Maybe it’s time to burn them all and start over from scratch!
It’s OK cons. Plenty of people ALREADY want nothing to do with your old book.
Bible fire? Second call.
“he son of conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly is leading an effort to cleanse “liberal bias” from modern translations of the Bible”
The words of the son of God as translated by a son of a b—–.
I remember attending an ERA rally once… The opposition was SO FOS — The GUY who was talking, insinuated that ERA passed, the Govenrment would force men and women to use the same bathrooms… that separate restrooms would be illegal…
And the ID10T actually got a standing ovation, for speaking the TRUTH!!!
The Anti-ERA was the only thing ANTI government group present…
Schlafly, and ALL of her cohorts did nothing but spread LIES and RUMORS and FEAR-Mongering everywhere they went… They were, in fact, a bunch of LOSERS… Andd they still are!!
Sorry — shouldnt talk on phone and try to type at the same time…
politicalmama
Posted October 17, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink
Yeah giving women equal rights is just such an awful thing isn’t it bigot?
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I’m curious, politicalmama,
Since Phylis Schafley defeated the ERA what rights have you been deprived of as a woman?
And, if as you say,
“The ERA simply says that women and men are equal in the eyes of the law.”
Then what laws would it have overturned that treated women differently than men in an adverse way?
It would have overturned a lot of laws that gave certain advantages to women in the ‘eyes of the law’.
Chas,
Some years back, we had a NOW convention in what used to be the Holiday Inn building downtown. Several conservative denominations sent busloads of women (shepherded by their ministers) to do everything possible to disrupt the meetings. They shouted down speakers, jammed the elevators and blocked stairs and doors and bathrooms and hallways so people couldn’t get to various functions and made themselves generally obnoxious to everyone there. When the police came to remove them, they screamed that they were violating their religious right to be *ssholes.
Oh wow, follow the links in the header to a site called “conservapedia”.
Where I am sure one can explore a virtual wonderland of narrow minded thinking.
JED,
Sounds like the ancestors of the Town Hall meeting disruptors… Probably a lot of the same “church” folk involved in both… LOL
You are wrong Hank. The ERA is important because it is the right thing to do. The supreme court already ruled long ago that men and women are not equal according to the law. Had the ERA been in place, that Ledbedder firestone lawsuit would have succeeded. Equal under the constitution is vital. There is no reason NOT to have it. There are many states out there who have ratified the ERA, and not a one of them changed any abortion law nor did any of them demand women use the same bathrooms as men.
I’ll turn this back on you Hank…what doom and gloom that Phyllis Schafly predicted would happen has happened in any of the states that passed the ERA?
At the Kansas hearing, people actually sat there straight faced in the chamber and said that women could be legally raped and the law would not protect them if we had the ERA. Really? Do you really think feminists would put women in danger by asking for civil rights if it meant we could be freely raped? I guess republicans all vote for gang rape anyway- they certainly did this past week. Is there any ERA state that allows rape? For that matter, is there any law that allows blacks to kill white people because they were given equal status under the constitution?
Please. Enough of the stupidity in the arguements. There is a good reason why its always the fundies who oppose the ERA…it is because they believe that women should not have equal rights. The bible tells em so.
This is the sole reason why they oppose, but only a handful will come out and say so- so they make up ridiculous stuff like we can be raped at will and have to share bathrooms.
PMama, dont forget all those good upstanding churches that would be FORCED to have women preachers if ERA passes… Ya know, like the argument that churches would have to have gay preachers if equality laws are passed?? Or like people could be forced to marry outside their race, if it would be legal for blacks and whites to inter-marry…
It’s all the same, bigoted drivel… same song, different verse…. I got so SICK of hearing Phyllis Schlafly THEN, its no wonder I have been nauseated reading about her dip-stick son and his CONservative Bible…
Fundamentalists are against legalizing gay marriage because they think it will be mandatory.
Ahhhhhh, the Phony Preacher had fun today offering his ‘expert’ bits of wisdom.
Why oh why does the PP think he has any credibility in airing his views of the Bible?
WSClark
Posted October 17, 2009 at 4:45 pm | Permalink
Fundamentalists are against legalizing gay marriage because they think it will be mandatory.
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Why would fundamentalists care if gays are required to marry?
Say OK, Chas posted something earlier this week about no church having a problem with what he posted here.
When I asked him when he was going to read his posts in his own church, he just disappeared, for some strange reason.
“Why would fundamentalists care if gays are required to marry?”
Why would fundamentalists care if gays are ALLOWED to marry?
I asked you first WS. Don’t have an answer.
“Don’t have an answer.”
Of course I do, Ms. Snarky.
“Why would fundamentalists care if gays are required to marry?”
Fundamentalists claim that sexual orientation is a choice – therefore, they not only object to gays being ALLOWED to marry, they also are obviously against gays being REQUIRED to marry.
The bible is the largest cause of death, destrucion and division ever devised. It is more deadly than typhus and has caused more genocides than Hitler could ever manage. Neither liberal nor conservative, but toxic….etc. etc.etc.
okobserver
Posted October 17, 2009 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
Chas I heard that the hiearchy of your denomination has got wind of the lies and perversions you are spreading on this blog. It seems you job is on the line.
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# 1 — You dont know me, WENCH….
# 2 — You dont know my denomination….
GO SUCK AN EGG, EVIL WENCH!!!
If you werent so pathetic, you might be funny….
sursum
Posted October 17, 2009 at 5:57 pm | Permalink
The bible is the largest cause of death, destrucion and division ever devised. It is more deadly than typhus and has caused more genocides than Hitler could ever manage. Neither liberal nor conservative, but toxic….etc. etc.etc.
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The Bible is the Word of God.
It’s not God that does the evil, it’s the misguided men that commit evil.
It has been estimated that Mao Zedong killed between 50-70 million people under his Communist rule.
Stalin killed between 40-60 million.
Hitler killed about 11 million people.
The population of the World during the time of Christ was around 200 million. I’m sure we would have heard something if more than 60 million were killed (over 1/3 earths population then).
BTW, the Spanish Inquisition, a frequent Lib mantra used when assailing Christians executed between 3-5,000.
That was the State ran church of Spain that did the inquistions, so in effect, the deaths were ordered under the guidance and direction of the King of Spain.
If I have to be a con to get to heaven? I’d just as soon not go.
“But I thought the bible was the literal word of God? Didn’t it fall from heaven just like it is?”-janabanana
That’s what I thought. Editing the infallible seems to be an impossibility or at the very least, a heresy.
When you can make multiple versions of The Bible, it ceases to be the “inspired” Word of God.
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Ghandi
A to the men.
“How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ’tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments” -Benjamin Franklin
Again, A to the men.
Pretend for a moment the bible is real. Pretend it is the written and revealed Word of God.
Now, to be consistent, you have to also pretend that the devil is real because the devil is contained in the same Word which reveals God.
Now, if you were the devil, what would be the best way to keep man from learning about the one true God?
Answer: By keeping man from the truth of God which is only available through His written Word. Keep wrongly dividing the Word. Keep changing the interpretations and make as many different versions as possible.
Just think about it.
Just when I think the religious right/cons/idiots can’t come up with anything sillier than James Dodson, they do this. Don’t they listen to themselves? Just bleeping amazing…
Dennis
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BlueJay
Posted October 17, 2009 at 7:49 pm | Permalink
If I have to be a con to get to heaven? I’d just as soon not go.
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Good news BlueJay. God’s plan of salvation has nothing to do with politics.
“God’s plan of salvation has nothing to do with politics.”
It’s not MY book outlander. Ya might wanna tell Schlafly’s son.
Regular: The bible as we know it has been revised several times since the Council of Nicea which occured a few hundred years after Christ…if he ever existed, so where do you get the population of 2000 years ago as a reference or beginning point? Think of all the wars of religion in Europe, then think of the European expansion by the sword and gospelling missionaries into the new worlds culminating in cultural and real genocide of those peoples. The Church is firmly in control of it’s dogma and has used temporal powers cowered by fear of excommuniction to do it’s work….and the Chief Inquisitor who ran the Spanish nasties later became Pope, who then founded the Vatican political arm. That clandestine arm exists to this day, a continuing history of temporal interferences all over the world, resulting in untold mass deaths for over 500 years. Read something besides the bible for a more accurate view of it’s consequences wherever it has been introduced. Yep, the longest continous running deadliest horror show ever, soon to be replaced by the Koran.
I say, feel free to make your conservative Bible. Good for you. That’s a choice and a right. Why would liberals read that? Are conservatives afraid of losing members to converts. People tend to read what supports their view points, or they skew their interpretation of what their reading into their view point. So it doesn’t really matter what information is put out there. People are only gonna read it, if their interested in it, to begin with anyway.
There have been plenty of wars driven by something other than the bible thumpers over the ages. They are just another brand of liberal killers is all.
Democrats feel they are killing for righteous reasons in Afghanistan. Republicans were righteous in Iraq.
And the democrats were the Onward National Building soldiers killing Vietnamese for a decade.
Christians and their bible are just one brand of murderers for a cause.
Bashing them is great pleasure for those living for their own righteous “causes”.
Rewrite it, reinterpret it, it’s a centuries old endeavor.
sursum, can you not distinguish between God’s word and the acts of man? People can cause death and destruction, and they may have even read the Bible, but God or God’s Word cannot cause or contribute to any evil.
Regular…don’t forget the native people in the “new world”.
You know, if you can rewrite the bible, you can rewrite the constitution. I suppose that is their next goal.
Yes, yes its the DEVIL causing the confusion in the bible. you people are really adults, right?
granny, what you said was out of line.
Jim Jones was a good democrat. He murdered 900 Americans, but he was a intregal part of the democrat party and supported by democrats in his “cause”.
While most of Jones’ political allies broke ties after Jones’ departure, some did not. As a show of support, Willie Brown spoke out against enemies at a rally at the Peoples Temple, also attended by Harvey Milk and Art Agnos. Most importantly for Jones and the Temple, Moscone’s office shortly thereafter issued a press release saying that Jones had broken no laws.
Amidst growing pressure in the United States to investigate the Temple, on February 19, 1978, Harvey Milk wrote a letter of support for the Peoples Temple to President Jimmy Carter Therein, Milk wrote that Jones was known “as a man of the highest character. Regarding the leader of those attempting to extricate relatives from Jonestown, Milk wrote he was “attempting to damage Rev. Jones reputation” with “apparent bold-faced lies.
All good christian democrats.
Go have a smoke poopy momma before Obama raises the taxes again. And you are marked for paying higher insurance rates.
“RoaCH” is who we usually call “Regular”. Any doubts, check the 16th October open thread.
Choose sides. Do it in the name of your god. If you don’t agree with one word of your god, find another translation, or make a new one.
BJ you are a sick puppy. Please go cry to the editors. Have them check my NIC and Regulars. We ain’t the same.
We all do know your pathetic preoccupation with trying to find out who “everyone” after you is……..
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BlueJay
Posted October 17, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink
“RoaCH” is who we usually call “Regular”. Any doubts, check the 16th October open thread.
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I’ve always suspected that “RoaCH” is actually the nic that American_Way uses when he’s drunker than he normally appears to be.
Fleets enema, go cry elsewhere.
Just get over the sock-puppet issue.
Internet personae are meaningless.
It doesn’t matter if I figure “Regular” has such a wretched life he needs to create other identities to be on WE Blog.
Phyllis Schafly, wasn’t she the one who said good christian girls girls don’t get raped, and the girls who do deserve it?
There’s a RoaCH in the house. Quick, Henry, the Flit!
Outlander: It is the bible that has been the root of much of the terrible acts of mankind, it’s total belief or interpertation. Mankind is bad enough he doesn’t need and OK from some mystical entity to remove any fear of guilt for his actions. I also accept that the bible in total is a good introduction of what is necessary in this life and I am not against the book, just those who will and do use it for every type of moral corrpution piously instigated. The bible is a hijacked vehicle used to to propel us down the road to ruin, just look about you to-day in these United States. Any written constriction/bylaw/constitution contains it’s own seeds of destruction
The Bible is an important cultural talisman.
And that might — just might — be the “word of God.”
But it’s all over the place in terms of morality and what is “right.”
It’s more a reflection of humanity than the word of an omniscient being.
It’s a book.
It’s a good book.
But it’s not the only book.
“The Republicans cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I Obama am come that they might have handouts, and that they might have them more abundantly.”
John 10:10 King Obama Version (KOV)
Marxists cannot allow religion in American.
Only Government can be worshiped.
October 17, 2009
If Obama were a Marxist, what would he believe?
Religion: Marx taught God doesn’t exist. Religion is a lie, a tranquilizer for the masses. It cannot be tolerated since it’s delusional, another way the powerful exploit the poor (Lenin sanctioned every attack against Christians, except mass extermination). It follows that no soul exists or any category of “sin.” Morality is defined by how any action affects achieving or maintaining communism.
Influential scholar Eric Voegelin, in “New Science of Politics,” argues persuasively Marxism is a kind of reborn pagan Gnosticism. He claims modern liberalism seeks a heaven on earth, achieved via an elitist sect using intellectual pseudo-enlightenment to herd poor souls to salvation. Prof. Igal Halfin makes the same claim in, “From Darkness to Light, Class, Consciousness, and Salvation in Revolutionary Russia.”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/if_obama_were_marxist_what_wou.html
“Maybe not after the Conservative Bible Project is finished.”
Hey, maybe they can get Larry the cable guy to do the read for the audio book,
JimJohnson
Posted October 18, 2009 at 9:24 am | Permalink
October 17, 2009
If Obama were a Marxist, what would he believe?
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jj, the leading proponent of ‘link, not think’, would take the word “if” out of the sentence, and profess to know the mind of Obama, when knowing his own mind is way beyond him. A perfect example of wingnut gone wild.
Heh,
Maybe they can do a dumbed down, conservative NASCAR edition. Replace all those thees and thous with “y’all”.
I think the finished product might look something like this….
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_franken.html
IF you could read, Monkeyfuquer, you would see that I clearly left the word IF in the post, even though any thinking person knows Obama is a Marxist.
“JimJohnson” tosses out some name-calling and –
“IF you could read, Monkeyfuquer, you would see that I clearly left the word IF in the post, even though any thinking person knows Obama is a Marxist.”
Yeah.
We always look to “JimJohnson” as a thinking person.
Obama is an avowed Christian, but JimJones never let facts stand in his way. I guess according to him, our founding fathers were also Marxists?
McCarthyism was a lesson the smart learned not to repeat.
I see a lib trait is on display here,if you don’t believe in it ridicule those who do
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Freebird1971
Posted October 18, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
I see a lib trait is on display here,if you don’t believe in it ridicule those who do
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Do you honestly believe that this trait is exclusive to ‘libs?’ Seems more like a human trait to me.
Just calling it as I see it,but you are right it is a human trait
Free, what I said wasn’t ridicule. I am well known to ridicule the ridiculous though. I don’t care what you or anyone else believes until that belief interferes with other people’s rights.
Notice you never get on the fundies for their incessant push of their beliefs and ideals on the rest of us?
Tell me when ever a liberal told a Christian that they can’t practice their own beliefs as long as it isn’t pushed on others? Or told them that our religion should be the law of the land? There is a whole mess of supposed Christians here who attack a MINISTER because they don’t feel his brand of Christianity is good enough. Just like they attack Obama for not being a Christian either. That isn’t right.
These Christian Taliban needs to be exposed for their dangerous beliefs and practices as much as the Islamic Taliban. Remember, the Taliban wasn’t always in power in Afghanistan- and I don’t want the Christian Taliban to get in power here either.
Pmom just for the record my opposition to Chas isn’t because of his brand of Christianity. There is a much higher judge than me in charge of that.
My problems with Chas is the way he always tells everyone else how wrong they are even when he is shown to be blowing smoke. Never will he apologize when he is shown dead to right how wrong he is. He calls other names because they dispute him no matter how ridiculous his statements are.
Now you can interpret that anyway you want but I will continue to call him wrong when he is and you can continue to lie about why he gets so much grief from conservatives many but not all of whom are Christian.
Jed
Posted October 18, 2009 at 4:57 am | Permalink
Phyllis Schafly, wasn’t she the one who said good christian girls girls don’t get raped, and the girls who do deserve it?
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Jed is this another of the lib throw out lies or can you defend this accusation?
okobserver
Posted October 18, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Permalink
My problems with Chas is the way he always tells everyone else how wrong they are even when he is shown to be blowing smoke. Never will he apologize when he is shown dead to right how wrong he is. He calls other names because they dispute him no matter how ridiculous his statements are.
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You make this post today after making this post last night?
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Daniel you are obviously too lazy or just not capable of googling so I will help you out. Yes Rush played the song but as you can see he wasn’t the one who coined the phrase. Have you written to the author of this piece voicing your displeasure. About demanding his firing.
Coward.
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Heh, heh.
Okie, why dont you prove Schlafly DIDNT say that aabout girls who are raped… I will have to agree with Jed on that one…
Since the Chicago Tribune bought the LA Times it’s become a right-wing rag.
But as it turns out, Hollywood is the origin of the “magic Negro” term. It’s about movies with Morgan Freeman (”The Shawshank Redemption,” “Driving Miss Daisy,” etc.) Will Smith (e.g., “Bagger Vance” et al)….
But the LA Times didn’t corrupt a kids’ song and play it constantly during last year’s campaign.
No, Limbaugh did.
And, as a consequence, many people who play football for a living announced they would not accept his
pure white Aryanblood money.His fellow capitalists, millionaires and billionaires who wanted to get into the football bidness decided it would be less than a good idea to go into bidness with Rush Limbaugh.
So yeah, “okobserver.” Limbaugh is the victim in this scenario. And it’s all the fault of the LA Times. Or Hollywood. Anyone except Limbaugh himself.
Chas, you can’t prove a negative, that’s silly!
But I do remember her claiming that husbands cannot rape wives because consent to marriage=consent to sex whenever.
That’s pretty abhorrent.
About this translation…I thing the most hilarious part is that the Bible needs to be dumbed down and shortened in order to be “conservative”. But I’m pretty sure this site consists of Andy+ a bunch of trolls jerking his chain, but it’s hard to be certain:
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law
Anyway, I’m rather fond of the Orthodox Study Bible, myself.