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For the like-minded “flat-earthers” out there:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/27/AR2009102702845.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Ooops, time to go back to being “banned”.
Pssst! (whispering into ear) StevenDavis, of course I know you all were’t banned. I email Mr. Brownlee from time-to-time myself. It was payback to Chas the other night for his insults. And it worked immediately as reflected in his ALL CAPS response. He stroked out.
Now go shuffle off to your little blog where you do nothing but talk about the Blog that-that-won’t-be-named and spend your time doing absolutely nothing but posting about the CONS you left here to avoid.
;-)
Speaking of MIAs –
What’s happened to “okobserver?”
Last time I saw a post from her she’d bought the “Obama College Thesis” hoax hook, line, and sinker.
mh……..your MIA……. yet you post everyday
Speaking of MIA, where has maggot been? Haven’t heard from him since he wet his pants over a supposed threat from a Michigander. Someone better check on him. This is a looooooong time to be hiding under the bed. His pants must smell awful by now.
Malia and Sasha got their swine flu shots yesterday.
Cue the CON outrage.
Apparently, American_Way was correct the other day in his post critical of the Obama Administration giving away 10% of the H1N1 vacine to other nations. It seems Obama really doesn’t want to kill off the 10% of the US population, selectively (at least using this method)…
“On Saturday, three days after Sebelius made her remarks about the U.S. donating some of its vaccine to foreign countries, President Obama declared the H1N1 epidemic a national emergency.
Calling Sebelius’ remarks “a slight miscommunication,” the White House official told CNSNews.com that the 40-million dose figure that Sebelius cited as the trigger-point at which U.S. donations of vaccine to foreign countries would begin refers to the estimate of needed vaccines for the most at-risk population in the United States.”
Democrats Divided Over Gov’t-Run Health Plans
Moderate Democratic senators who control the balance of power on health care hold their ground, balking at a government-run insurance option as Republicans vow to mount a filibuster
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/28/democrats-divided-govt-run-health-plans/
Sup Dems?
Democratic Donors Rewarded With White House Perks
High-dollar fundraisers have been promised access to senior officials and use of White House facilities in exchange for thousands of dollars in donations, documents reveal.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/10/27/democratic-donors-rewarded-white-house-perks/
How much was Bill Clinton renting the Lincoln bedroom for?
“American_Way” –
The shortfall of Swine Flu vaccine is due to for-profit pharmaceutical companies failing to deliver 120 million doses — as they promised — by the middle of October.
The NY Times did a report which revealed there’s an alternative manufacturing process that develops the vaccine faster than the traditional grow-the-virus-in-an-egg method. But the alternative isn’t as profitable to the drug companies.
Former NFL Players to Testify About Brain Injuries
Wednesday, October 28, 2009
WASHINGTON — When a recent study conducted for the NFL suggested that retired pro football players may have a higher rate than normal of Alzheimer’s disease or other memory afflictions, the NFL was quick to point out that the study did not prove a link between concussions and memory disorders.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569947,00.html?test=latestnews
I’m so glad the most pressing issue for congress is what overpaid athletes choose to do and the consequences of those actions.
Did obama take over the NFL too?
What’s really sad about this blog is liberals can never (well almost) disagree with their party line. Democrats are stuck with whatever decision their party leadership decides – and are not free to think and come to their own beliefs.
They are afraid?
Like my H1N1 post the other day, you’d think other posters (including libs) would agree with me that we should take care of American’s first as the prudent thing to do.
Instead, I got attacked and called names.
Much as I’ve asked libs/dems to speak out on their TRUE feeling on Afghanistan – before it is too late.
Instead – they are silently WAITING for the “party” to tell them what to think. To tell them what is right.
It will be too late later……
The sun causes global warming not man.
The concentration of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere has risen more than 4% in the past decade, but global warming has practically stopped. It confirms the theory of “solar” impact on changes in the Earth’s climate, because the amount of solar energy reaching the planet has drastically decreased during the same period. Had global temperatures directly responded to concentrations of “greenhouse” gases in the atmosphere, they would have risen by at least 0.1 Celsius in the past ten years, however, it never happened. A year ago, many meteorologists predicted that higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would make the year 2007 the hottest in the last decade, but, fortunately, these predictions did not become reality. Hence, increase of carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere is not the cause of global warming which has a solar origin and is a part of natural two-century cycle. In 2008, global temperatures would drop slightly, rather than rise, due to unprecedentedly low solar radiation in the past 30 years, and would continue decreasing even if industrial emissions of carbon dioxide reach record levels. By 2041±11, TSI will reach its minimum according to a 200-year cycle, and a deep cooling period will hit the Earth approximately in 2055-2060 (±11). It will last for about 45-65 years.
http://www.bobbrinsmead.com/e_Abdussamatov.html
“Malia and Sasha got their swine flu shots yesterday.”
Are they speaking in tongues yet? (Oh nevermind, that would only be if RepubliCON’s were in charge)
Are they singing, “Obama MmmmmHmmm!” yet?
“The shortfall of Swine Flu vaccine is due to for-profit pharmaceutical companies failing to deliver 120 million doses — as they promised — by the middle of October.”
Thanks Monkeyhawk, but my post had nothing to do with a “shortfall”….
And do you suppose if these were NOT for profit companies there would be no shortage?
On this date, Oct 28th
1636 Harvard University (Boston) established
1793 Eli Whitney applies for a patent on the cotton gin
1886 Statue of Liberty dedicated by Pres Grover Cleveland, it is celebrated by the 1st confetti (ticker tape) parade in NYC
1948 Flag of Israel is adopted
How empty is theory in the presence of fact!
- A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, Mark Twain
Odd Facts
Percentage of men who say they are happier after their divorce or separation: 58
Percentage of women who say they are happier: 85
Iceland consumes more Coca-Cola per capita than any other nation
The king of hearts is the only king without a moustache on a standard playing card!
The names of Popeye’s four nephews are Pipeye, Peepeye, Pupeye, and Poopeye!
Humorous Bits
You can observe a lot by just watching.
- Yogi Berra
When you come to a fork in the road, take it!
- Yogi Berra
monkey……wrong again………the shortage of vacine is bush’s fault…….where have you been?
“American_Way” whines –
“…I got attacked and called names.”
Send my offending attacks and name-calls to Brownlee and get me banned, then.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 28, 2009 at 8:26 am | Permalink
“American_Way” –
The shortfall of Swine Flu vaccine is due to for-profit pharmaceutical companies failing to deliver 120 million doses — as they promised — by the end of October.
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Are you suggesting a non-profit could have done it better?
Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot
Schwarzenegger’s veto memo to the California State Assembly:
For
Unnecessary
Care
Kicks
Yet
Overwhelmingly
Unnecessary
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/10/28/MNBN1ABKB8.DTL&o=0
Hey PMommma! Looks like your vote did count. Not only will smokers pay more and more taxes on their tobacco of choice – they will pay MORE for healthcare:
“Under the Senate Finance Committee version of the health-care bill, health insurance companies would be allowed to charge tobacco users premiums up to 50 percent higher than those of non-users, while marijuana and crack cocaine smokers could not be penalized with higher premiums
Specifically, it says premiums could vary “by no more than the ratio specified” for each characteristic:
– Tobacco use: 1.5 to 1
– Age: 4 to 1
– Family composition:
1) Single: 1 to 1
2) Adult with child: 1.8 to 1
3) Two adults: 2 to 1
4) Family: 3 to 1
This means, for example, that for every $100 in premium that a non-tobacco user pays, a tobacco user could be charged $150. A family could be charged three times as much as a single person, and an older person could be charged four times as much as a younger person…”
Don’t anyone be quick to laugh or judge smokers. If the government can make this lifestyle CHOICE for you, they can decide on ANY human behavior. E.g. Big Mac attack? Snickers bar? Pepsi? Fat?
Hud
Posted October 28, 2009 at 8:47 am | Permalink
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Whether or not the hidden message is intentional, it and the overall message are long overdue.
American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 8:50 am | Permalink
A family could be charged three times as much as a single person, and an older person could be charged four times as much as a younger person…”
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“Charged? What do you mean charged? I thought this was all free.”
-Dim libs
“Send my offending attacks and name-calls ”
Do you think you can respond to the substance of my posts? I wasn’t crying – I was making a point on the responses I received like most “CONS” receive whenever they dare post a view contrary to the party line.
It might make for a more interesting day blogging.
“I thought this was all free”
Point well taken. I stand corrected!!!
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Monkeyhawk
Posted October 28, 2009 at 8:15 am | Permalink
Malia and Sasha got their swine flu shots yesterday.
Cue the CON outrage.
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Are those the Obama girls? Why would anyone be outraged about two young girls getting flu shots?
Car bomb kills 90 in Pakistan as Hillary Clinton visits
Reuters
By Zeeshan Haider and Andrew Quinn
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (Reuters) – A car bomb ripped through a crowded market killing 90 people in Pakistan’s city of Peshawar on Wednesday, just hours after Washington’s top diplomat arrived pledging a fresh start in sometimes strained relations.
Te mantra used to be Bush Lied -Americans died
Now it should be -While obama decides more Americans die
12 Killed in Taliban Attack on U.N. in Kabul
Associated Press
12 Killed in Attack on UN in Afghanistan
In Afghanistan, at least twelve people have been killed in an attack on a home used by UN staffers. Six of the victims worked for the UN, including one American. The attack was one of several around Kabul earlier today, with others targeting the presidential palace and a luxury hotel.
Made that decision yet lil barry?
October Deadliest Month of Afghan War for U.S. Troops
The attacks come one day after eight U.S. troops were killed in roadside bombings in southern Afghanistan, making this month the deadliest for the U.S. military of the eight-year Afghan war. At least 55 U.S. troops have died this month, surpassing the previous record set in August of fifty-one.
So what was the final score on your golf outing lil barry? Made a decision yet?
“A car bomb ripped through a crowded market killing 90 people in Pakistan’s city”
Good example Regular of the liberal thought process. Think peace. “All we are saying, is give peace a chance”. It’s not War on Terror. It’s an Overseas Contingency Operation. Strike the word “terrorist” from the vocabulary – and the bad guys will go away.
Close your eyes tightly and tap your red shoe heals together…..”there is no terrorist, there is no terrorists… there is no terrorism”.
With the bombing in the background Clinton declares – “A new relationship with Pakistan NOT about terrorism”
Hillary says the US is “turning the page on terrorism” and implying the BAD BUSH policies.
turning the page = hiding from reality
Odd, first Am_Way wants to cut and run from Afghanistan and then he says we’re not fighting hard enough.
CONservatism is the art of holding two CONtradictory positions at the same time without even knowing they are CONtradictory.
Regular and I posted at 9:10 AM thereby proving we are different nics.
“Odd, first Am_Way wants to cut and run from Afghanistan and then he says we’re not fighting hard enough.”
As “normal” CapnAmerica pretends to know and speak for me. No basis in fact.
But it makes a good sound byte. That’s all libs hear.
“Regular and I posted at 9:10 AM thereby proving we are different nics.”
Sol, yeah, I’ve done that before a couple of times. Once with Hank and once with JimJohnson.
But libs don’t let the facts get in the way of their fantasy.
Take for instance the CON position on government–they want to “get it off our backs” and at the same time they want to put it in the wombs of women carrying fetuses.
Or they’re all for “free markets” except when big corporations need gov’t to protect from victims’ hurt by big corporations in the form of “tort reform.”
♠O’BAMA♠
White House Defends White House invites to top donors.
Los Angeles Times
Am_Way thinks it’s clever to post what he claims he doesn’t say without clarifying what he does say.
It’s the cleverness of a coward.
Re: Access to White House perks for top donors
Been done since Lincoln.
Bush was one of the worst offenders.
Major yaw. . . w . . . n. . . er.
Sol, yeah, I’ve done that before a couple of times. Once with Hank and once with JimJohnson.
Yeah but you are sooooooooo still Hank. JJ on the weekends? I forget the schedule now…
It’s the cleverness of a coward.
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Much like your friend Old Yellow Featrhers(formerly BJ) calling people out for a meet up and then backing down when his bluff is called
Hmmm . . . I thought it was BlueJay who asked Boxlock to meet up and then Boxlock backed out.
BTW, I once called out Regular and I was there and Regular chickensihtted out.
So that’s two backouts out for your side, and none to my knowledge for our side.
I lost the schedule? Hank: Can you send it to me!!!!
A reminder, “Freebird1971″ –
The Prices twice backed out of a meet-up with me they’d previously agreed to.
I told them they could even bring their guns.
CapnAmerica thinks it’s clever to post what he claims I said without clarifying what he said.
I don’t have a side,YF calls me a con,Reg calls me a lib,having a political identity crisis.
The Capn writes on the clock: BTW, I once called out Regular and I was there and Regular chickensihtted out.
No I didn’t – I waited in front of the main entrance of Dillons for 20-30 minutes. There was no one standing there but a store clerk and some weasly looking guy wearing a stained KC Chiefs t-shirt.
Okay, Am_Way–
Let’s play your little “too clever by half” game:
Do you or do you not think we should pull out of Afghanistan?
It’s a yes or no question. See if you can summon the will to answer it with either a yes or a no.
“It’s the cleverness of a coward.”
And for all those self-righteous liberal bloggers:
you are no better than the rest of us when it comes to destroying this blog
MH,
We need to try to work out the logistics on our meet up.
Hmmm . . . that’s not what you said before, Regular.
Before, you said that you lived a 30 minutes drive out of town and you couldn’t get there in time.
It’s so hard to keep the lies straight, isn’t it.
But I gotta give you credit, you seem to be lying a lot less these days than in years past . . .
Am_Way–
So would that be “yes” or “no”?
Sorry Capn.
You are the one who used my post, to justify your theory on conservatism.
The burden is on you to support your post and make the connection to YOUR theory.
Where have I said:
“we’re not fighting hard enough”
in Afghanistan?
And please relate that to my post on Clinton’s speech in Pakistan.
“Liberism is pretending to know what everyone else thinks” putting everyone in little boxes.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 28, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink
Hmmm . . . that’s not what you said before, Regular.
Before, you said that you lived a 30 minutes drive out of town and you couldn’t get there in time.
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Yeah, I was five minutes late driving from south of Mulvane. Sue me – I waited for a long time, no one showed up.
You had your opportunity to meet with Steven Davis and I, you didn’t show, nor did BlueJay.
Gosh AmWay, you’ve posted your position on Afghanistan several times on this blog in the last few months.
Maybe Capn missed your numerous posts when he ran away from this blog to a utopian world where only Liberals live.
Wonder why he came back?
I wasn’t invited and I have no interest in meeting you, now that I know who you are.
Sorry.
And I’m also not buying the “south of Mulvane” crap, since I know where you blog from and it’s not south of Mulvane.
But I really have no interest in re-hashing it. I was there, you weren’t, long story short, nothing more to say.
Okay, Am_Way–
For the record, I think the war in Iraq was a transparent ploy to open Iraq to BigCorporateOil which was locked out by sanctions.
It had nothing to do with fighting terror. That was simply the pretext to get what Bush wanted since before the election–a “free market” free for all for Iraq’s oil without Saddam nationalizing it.
The real fight has always been in Afghanistan. We should not and cannot leave until a stable gov’t is in place that can counter the terrorist Taliban.
That’s my position.
Now, what’s yours?
Jim–
I don’t blog on any other local blogs except for this one.
I’ve been busy.
It’s called “real life.”
Try it sometime.
Again I’m sorry Capn, but I didn’t ask for your position.
I asked you to support your 9:14 AM post where you question MY position. You then use that claim to support your theory of “CONservatism”…..
BTW, was that a Texas two-step or a little bossa nova?
Okay, Am_Way–
F U and your little games.
And enjoy another wasted day on the WEBlog . . . I’m so outta here . . .
I used to think the Marines were tough.
Looks like there’s an exception to every rule.
Tough enough to chase you off.
I’m your huckleberry.
Now scoot. Your inconsistency has been revealed here.
U.S. New-Home Sales Fall as Credit Nears Expiration
I’m your huckleberry.
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Apparently the string was too tight for Capn’A to bear.
Daisy.
No brag. Just fact.
(smartly examing fingernails)
GMAC May Receive Third Bailout From U.S. Government
Bloomberg
soldevvb posted October 28, 2009 at 9:14 am
Regular and I posted at 9:10 AM thereby proving we are different nics.
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LOL!
soldevvb proves yet again that s/he is 100% clueless.
Ran so fast the hounds couldn’t catch ‘em…
To the sulking defeated Weblog liberals blog….
cosmos_originally
Posted October 28, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink
soldevvb posted October 28, 2009 at 9:14 am
Regular and I posted at 9:10 AM thereby proving we are different nics.
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LOL!
soldevvb proves yet again that s/he is 100% clueless.
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American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 10:26 am
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Ironic timing strikes cosMAO directly in the throat.
Don’t worry about your schedule, I’m minutelady all this week.
Hey CapnAMerica, I’m not gloating.
You started it.
But as Dean Rusk said at the end of the Cuban missle crises: “We were eye to eye with the other guy and they just blinked.”
Nooooooooooooooooooooo…
The Al CIAda is involved in the Afghan opium trade? And Hamid Karzai is related to a player?
Wow, you don’t say?
The whole point of going in to Afghanistan was to reinstate the “Golden Crescent” drug trade because those Taliban ended it by outlawing opium production…
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/opium-trade-booms-in-basketcase-afghanistan-554717.html
But still, the dumbest among us still believe it’s about some “War on Terra”.
I just finished it.
(washing dry hands)
Y’all come back now, ya hear?
Hook line and sinker. LMFAO.
I tell ya, coincidences are legion these days.
Maybe we can pay off our debt to China in opium? They like that schitt.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101654.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2361453.stm
Ancient history since Obama is in office…
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/world/asia/05afghan.html
You can rest assured knowing that he’s cleaning up the place.
American_way stood leaning against the coral fence. Broad shoulders resting against the fence, arms crossed resting on his chest. Firmly supporting himself leaning back against fence with one long muscled leg, the other leg bent at the knee, foot propped up against the fence. He had an arrogant little grin and blazing green eyes sparkled tucked underneath his worn cowboy hat.
As CapnAmerica road off with his tail between his legs toward the setting sun, America_Way reached up calm, cool, and collectedly with one hand and with a slight motion tipped his hat.
“See ya!
["spit']
A “coral fence?”
That’s pretty fancy for penning up a bunch of horses.
This is national spelling day on the WEBLOG?
[spit!]
And he “road off. . .”?
Have some more trans fat, American_Way.
Perhaps cosMaO can post more of his ‘false fictional’ accusations?
StevenEDavis,
Thank you for the post at the top of the thread.
‘A senator in a hostile climate‘
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/27/AR2009102702845.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
“Nobody doubted that Inhofe had a response. The doubt was whether the response would make any sense. “
American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 11:00 am | Permalink
Yeah but… Was there a fence involved in the story?
Actually, “American_Way” –
It’s smack you around day, what your abrupt dancing away from the Health Insurance Reform thread.
“A family could be charged three times as much as a single person”
Under my current company plan, it’s more like 5 to 1.
O.K. o.k., I have been thoroughly chastised!
Too many Louie Lamour books and not enough writing lessons.
[screen door slamming behind me]
“Under my current company plan, it’s more like 5 to 1.”
Support the post DavidB.
Link/reference….
UK Met Office backpedals on Arctic Ice – “…unlikely that the Arctic will experience ice-free summers by 2020.”
But they do say that “first ice-free summer expected to occur between 2060 and 2080?. By then there will be nobody that remembers this forecast.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/28/uk-met-office-backpedals-on-arctic-ice-unlikely-that-the-arctic-will-experience-ice-free-summers-by-2020/
“from the Health Insurance Reform thread”
Where is it. Heck, I’ll ride it. Point me at it and I’ll put a saddle on it.
Speaking of horses…
Saw this on PBS the other day:
Cloud: Wild Stallion of the Rockies
Beautiful scenery in Moutain, a documentary on wild horses.
You can watch the whole video at this link.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/cloud-wild-stallion-of-the-rockies/introduction/29/
What I don’t understand is why the Obama Administration had these wild horses rounded-up!
Sad ending.
Oh whoops. If they can’t get 20 years right, we are supposed to believe them about 60, 90 or 150?
A little known 20 year old climate change prediction by Dr. James Hansen – that failed badly
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/22/a-little-known-but-failed-20-year-old-climate-change-prediction-by-dr-james-hansen/
obama hates horses.
Obama – Let The Wild Horses Run Free!
In the September 2009 roundup in the Pryors, 57 horses were removed.
Among those are many that you meet in Cloud: Challenge of the Stallions- the following were removed. They are in good homes but they have lost what they value most: their families and their freedom. Cloud’s daughter: Rain is now in VA; Cloud’s granddaughter, Arrow (the bay filly with a big star) is now in Colorado; Ember and Image are in Ohio together; Cloud’s dun mare (who he gets in this show) was removed, as was his brother, Sax — who I adopted and now is part of the band at my ranch with Cloud’s sisters and Trace.
The massive roundup of this herd was unnecessary and costly: $150,000 to remove 57 horses. Among those were the entire bands belonging to stallions Conquistador, Bo, Trigger and Shane.
These horses, along with blue roan bachelor who was traumatized in the processing chutes, are now on a ranch in Montana. The Cloud Foundation, due to an incredible amount of support, was able to rescue these horses, and keep the bands together.
It is our hope that this sub-population can be returned to their home in the wild. Summer, Shaman’s granddaughter who was with Bolder, and Bolder’s only daughter over a year old, were removed as well. The black bachelor, Stiles, who you see chasing Sitka and Flint at the beginning of the film, was also removed. He has since been gelded but was rescued by a sanctuary in New Mexico.
Millions of people know Cloud’s band and herd so well but the 12,000 other horses and burros being removed now are equally important and we must stop these massive roundups.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/cloud-challenge-of-the-stallions/a-live-discussion-with-filmmaker-ginger-kathrens/5283/
No place for wild horses on Ken Salazar’s New Frontier?
By Alan Prendergast in Follow That Story, News, PoliticsWed., Aug. 19 2009
The Obama administration talks tall about its fresh ideas and new directions. Especially at the Department of the Interior, where Secretary Ken Salazar has vowed to change course from the Bush years and develop sound public-land policy based on science, not political influence — as detailed in my April feature, “The Zen of Ken.”
But there’s one group of battered constitutents who don’t see much difference between the new boss and the old boss.
Advocates for the 37,000 wild horses and burros roaming public lands are still fighting dubious Bureau of Land Management policies that they say are consigning thousands of wild mustangs to holding pens, sending some to their doom — and decimating entire herds.
“We might as well be back in the Bush administration,” says filmmaker Ginger Kathrens, who heads up the Colorado Springs-based Cloud Foundation. “Anyone who’s studied BLM knows they’ve zeroed out over a hundred herds. They’re managing wild horses to extinction.”
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2009/08/no_place_for_wild_horses_on_ke.php
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/05/hansens-1988-projections/
The new Aires rocket, a candidate for the next American manned mission booster has successfully launched.
A beautiful thing…
Here ya go, American_Way, I took dramatic license and modified your entry. :)
DavidB
Posted October 28, 2009 at 11:42 am | Permalink
The new Aires rocket, a candidate for the next American manned mission booster has successfully launched.
A beautiful thing…
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1/2 Billion Dollars blasted away and burned up in just minutes!
The US cannot afford the price to send men back to the Moon, and certainly not to Mars.
Several future generations will pay the price for the irresponsible spending by Americans in the 20th and 21st centuries.
House 18 Votes Short on Health Care
Daily Beast – ?16 hours ago?
An internal whip count document obtained by Greg Sargent at The Plumline shows that the House is coming up short on support for its health-care bill, …
Leaked Internal House Leadership Whip Count Shows 47 Dems at No, 8 Leaning No …
Regular
Posted October 28, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink
Here ya go, American_Way, I took dramatic license and modified your entry. :)
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Looks to me like Reg and Amway should get a room.
Heckler
Posted October 28, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink
House 18 Votes Short on Health Care
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You really have to ask yourself what Reid was thinking a few days ago when he said he had the 60 votes. What did that accomplish besides making him look foolish?
XXX spits up some phlegm while writing: Looks to me like Reg and Amway should get a room.
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Looks to me as XXX is still stuck psychologically in the 8th grade.
Jim, you may really be happier becoming a Somali citizen. They really don’t spend any tax money on anything at all. They may not even have taxes!
You can become a warlord and live out your ‘rugged individualist’ fantasy… no government interference as there really is no government.
Be happy. Emigrate! Be all that you can be!
http://www.embassiesabroad.com/embassies-of/Somalia
Another Attack on Christians
I wonder if Larry David will dare to urinate on Mohammed’s picture next?
It’s not OK to mock Obama with a poster though.
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/10/28/catholic-league-blasts-larry-david-curb-episode-urinates-jesus/
Larry David Blasted for ‘Curb’ Episode Where He Urinates on Jesus Painting
Comedian Larry David pushed the mocking of religion over the edge in latest episode of his HBO show, critics say.
White House Panel Backs Commercial Alternatives to NASA’s New Rocket
By Tariq Malik
Managing Editor
posted: 22 October 2009
The independent blue-ribbon panel that reviewed NASA’s plans to replace its space shuttles said Thursday that the agency should consider using commercial vehicles to help achieve its goal, and perhaps nix the new Ares I rocket slated to fly future astronauts.
http://www.space.com/news/091022-augustine-spaceflight-review-report.html
Say David, looks like Obama is gonna kill the Moon/Mars program.
White House Report Says Private Industry Can Better Manage Space Program
http://www.space.com/news/091022-augustine-spaceflight-review-report.html
Commercial spacecraft, spurred on by up to $5 billion in incentives from NASA, could provide the access to low-Earth orbit needed in the short-term after the shuttle fleet retires, and perhaps do so within the seven-year gap, the committee’s report said.
“As we move from the complex, reusable shuttle back to a simpler, smaller capsule, it is appropriate to consider turning these transport services over to the commercial sector,” the committee wrote in its report.
What will Obama do?
I’m sure if Obama says Space Program should be cancelled, then that will be a Good Thing! (Mary had a little lamb, little lamb…)
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6681932.html
NASA’s future missions in Obama’s hands
Panel says goals for manned flights too costly,
calls for commercial uses
WASHINGTON — A White House panel of space experts delivered to President Barack Obama on Thursday a sweeping assessment of NASA’s options for the next generation of manned space exploration and concluded the agency’s goals are too lofty for the money set aside to pay for them.
The future of America’s space agency now rests squarely with Obama to decide how — or even whether — to spend billions more to deliver NASA’s hopes for ambitious manned space flights.
“The premier finding is that the human spaceflight program that the United States is currently pursuing is on an unsustainable trajectory,” said retired aerospace executive Norman Augustine, who led the panel for the past five months.
Obama had no immediate comment on the findings, which the chief executive and Congress will use to decide whether to immediately boost the annual budget of the $18.7 billion-a-year space agency by at least $3 billion a year or cede the high frontier to up-and-coming space-faring nations such as China.
“During Sunday’s episode, David, who created, wrote and produced “Seinfeld,” visits a bathroom in his assistant’s home and splatters urine on a picture of Jesus. Instead of wiping it off, David leaves the restroom. Minutes later, David’s assistant enters the bathroom and concludes that Jesus is crying. She then summons her mother to the bathroom, where both women kneel in prayer.”
This involves an accident and a misinterpretation of events.
Sporting racist pictures of the President is not an accident.
Moral of the story: religious artifacts should not be hung next to the toilet.
David, your statement doesn’t hold, umm…water.
You are calling Larry David’s urinating on the painting of Jesus an ‘accident’?
So, it would be ok if he accidently urinated on a painting of Obama or Mohammed?
Is this appropriate? If it is ‘art’ then it’s ok.
Maybe the Obama posters were works of art? Not protected by the First Amendment because they insult THE ONE?
http://www.xomba.com/obama_as_christ_statue_causes_commotion_in_chicago
“Obama as Christ” Statue Causes Commotion in Chicago!
Alan Grayson, Congressman (D) said this to describe, Linda Robertson, a suburban Maryland Mom federal employee on a nationally syndicated radio show.
“This Lobbyist, this ‘K’ Street W ho r e! is trying to teach me about Economics…”
“Regular and I posted at 9:10 AM thereby proving we are different nics.”
I think we are all familiar with how useful tabs can be. Like anything else, they can be abused.
Regular
Posted October 28, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink
XXX spits up some phlegm while writing: Looks to me like Reg and Amway should get a room.
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Looks to me as XXX is still stuck psychologically in the 8th grade.
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Phlegm?
Congrats on moving past dog vomit.
“Several future generations will pay the price for the irresponsible spending by Americans in the 20th and 21st centuries.”
That’s what we have them for.
I think we are all familiar with how useful tabs can be. Like anything else, they can be abused.
Show us…
I think we are all familiar with how useful tabs can be. Like anything else, they can be abused.
Show us…
“Alan Grayson, Congressman (D) said this to describe, Linda Robertson, a suburban Maryland Mom federal employee on a nationally syndicated radio show.
“This Lobbyist, this ‘K’ Street W ho r e! is trying to teach me about Economics…””-Regular
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And your point is?
“a suburban Maryland Mom”…big fuqin’ deal.
If you are a friend of that qunt-bitsch of an Enron lobbyist, you’re truly the enemy. And all of the angst against you on this blog is very well deserved.
BlueJay
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:26 pm | Permalink
“Several future generations will pay the price for the irresponsible spending by Americans in the 20th and 21st centuries.”
That’s what we have them for.
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BJ thinks we have kids so we can make them pay for us.
Excellent BJ, Excellent! As long as it’s anybody, but yourself!
I suppose BJ, if you needed a heart transplant, you could just yank-out your son’s heart and use it for yourself.
Regular
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
I think we are all familiar with how useful tabs can be. Like anything else, they can be abused.
Show us…
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X 2
You’re slipping, old timer….
Is a ’silohuette’ a really small silo?
See Regular, using 2 tabs you were able to post twice at 12:28.
See Regular, using 2 tabs you were able to post twice at 12:28.
I said:
first Am_Way wants to cut and run from Afghanistan and then he says we’re not fighting hard enough.
Am_Way had previously written:
American_Way
Posted September 19, 2009 at 6:11 am | Permalink
As I’ve posted many times: Bring the troops home.
It’s not that we cannot win, it’s that we do not have the will to win.
Then Am_Way plays the little girls’ game of “nope, that’s not what I said.”
Hey, JodyF**k, read your own writing.
I never thought I’d see a Marine who’s a sissy, but you sure are one, Am_Way.
Pitiful.
Hillary Clinton is a suburban Maryland mom. Is she a great person in your book now? Does she deserve your respect and accolades now?
Didn’t think so.
Pleefer, with arms flailing writes: If you are a friend of that qunt-bitsch of an Enron lobbyist, you’re truly the enemy. And all of the angst against you on this blog is very well deserved.
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Sorry, but I don’t use that term to describe women and neither should a Congressman.
Evidently, you have a taste for the foul-mouthed description of women.
Daniel
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
Is a ’silohuette’ a really small silo?
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See:
http://www.midgetfarmers.com
DavidB, If Larry David’s urine splattered on the painting hanging on the wall, then he must have splattered it on himself as well. I bet he didn’t wipe it off either but relished in it.
BTW: It was no accident that he tried to pawn this off as humor knowing it would be offensive.
Regular
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
Pleefer, with arms flailing writes: If you are a friend of that qunt-bitsch of an Enron lobbyist, you’re truly the enemy. And all of the angst against you on this blog is very well deserved.
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Sorry, but I don’t use that term to describe women and neither should a Congressman.
Evidently, you have a taste for the foul-mouthed description of women.
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That’s better than having a taste for dog vomit.
It appears that XXX wants to be the one today to put the open thread into the sewer.
Not speaking for AmWay, but here’s my opinion:
Having the will to win,
and not fighting hard enough,
are two different statements.
The troops who are there are certainly fighting hard enough.
The politicians running this war, do not have the will to do what it takes to win the war. Obama continues to direct a Half-A war, using fewer troops then what his Generals are telling him they need. Therefore, since Obama is not going to commit the full forces needed to win the war, we should pull-out, and bring our troops home now.
Since Obama won’t go full-speed, then withdrawing all forces is better then continuing to fight the war Half-A.
And Obama has not clearly defined the mission, nor the measurements that will be used to gauge success.
More Americans die, waiting for Obama to decide what to do next.
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donndublin
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
BTW: It was no accident that he tried to pawn this off as humor knowing it would be offensive.
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Gee, ya think? Have you ever watched “Curb Your Enthusiasm?”
JimJohnson
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:41 pm | Permalink
Not speaking for AmWay, but here’s my opinion:
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That is a clearly articulated opinion. Serious question: Suppose President Obama starts drawing down troops next Spring and all troops are out one year from now. Now suppose that the Afghanistan reverts back to the place it was pre-9/11 and is used as a place to train terrorists and launch terrorists attacks on Americans and American interests here at home and abroad.
What will you say then?
It appears that XXX wants to be the one today to put the open thread into the sewer.
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Too late, Reg. Your mere presence turns it into a sewer.
Daniel, No I don’t. I don’t have HBO. What’s your point?
Hey guys, check out the open thread.
I’m fixin to play Regular like a cheap violin.
I think we are all familiar with how useful tabs can be. Like anything else, they can be abused.
Two idiots on the same bait. Might take up Anti’s job.
BTW, Anti–
I scored an M1 Garand, heh.
Serial number links it to Aug-Sept 1942 Springfield Arms.
The show is one long series of ‘offensive’ bits and circumstances after another. Larry David is nothing if not an equal opportunity offender.
I guess I was just surprised that anyone would be surprised that Larry David had an ‘offensive’ plot device on the show. That’s all.
Do you have a Netflix account? If you do check out the show, it won’t cost you anything and you may or may not like it.
“As I’ve posted many times: Bring the troops home”
And again CapnAmerica slithers back…..
Unfortunately, you still have not justified any inconsistency with my early morning post about Hillary’s comments in Pakistan on relations with Pakistan.
[spit]
Isn’t this the open thread???
Hey Regular, you happen to have a throw-away email address? It will really have to be real throw-away to reveal it here. But American_Way would like to run a book idea by you. Involves AC130 Puff….
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SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
Isn’t this the open thread???
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That’s what I was thinking.
BTW the editors are reading the threads and have provided conveniently and by sheer coincidence have a new thread on the Afghanistan War. (not to be confused with Hillary speaking in Pakistan about Pakistan)
My views have been posted many times before at length.
CapnAmerica
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:54 pm | Permalink
BTW, Anti–
I scored an M1 Garand, heh.
Serial number links it to Aug-Sept 1942 Springfield Arms.
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Capn,
Sorry to barge in….
Have you had a chance to fire it yet? Is it in good condition?
Yes, we know. Cut and run.
The first daughters just got their swine flu shots, and the ‘news’ commentator is leading with “Where’s the swine flu shots for everybody else” what’d I tell you?
What’d you expect from the ’surrender monkeys’?
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Phantom
Posted October 28, 2009 at 1:12 pm | Permalink
The first daughters just got their swine flu shots, and the ‘news’ commentator is leading with “Where’s the swine flu shots for everybody else” what’d I tell you?
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Well, sure you were right but you could have predicted that the sun will rise tomorrow morning in the East with the same degree of confidence.
American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
Hey Regular, you happen to have a throw-away email address? It will really have to be real throw-away to reveal it here. But American_Way would like to run a book idea by you. Involves AC130 Puff….
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I can do that.
weregular@yahoo.com
Where’d the fiddle playin go?
SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
Where’d the fiddle playin go?
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You prefer banjo, don’tcha?
Daniel, I was pointing to the idiocy of DavidB saying it’s different from any other racist or bigoted humor and pawning it off as accidental.
I like Seinfeld but this goes over the line. Would Larry David dare make adult humor of Jewish concentration victims by a German comedian?
I prefer Irish bagpipes. But the point is you promised a fiddle.
CapnAmerica,
An M1?
A high powered rifle, which fires cop killing rounds, which will fire a round every time you pull the trigger, a military weapon…
What in the world do you “need” one of those for?
I am shocked that you would own one of those things.
I hope at the very least you have it dismanteled, with a trigger lock, in a safe, with the ammo stored in a seperate safe, when you are not using it.
I’m into Gangstah Bagpipes.
I’m into Gangstah Bagpipes.
Too much IRA violence and degrading of small farm animals. Pass.
soldevvb posted October 28, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Two idiots on the same bait. Might take up Anti’s job.
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You already have. . . you (and Anti) have proven repeatedly that you can’t think rationally.
Forgive my ignorance, I was Air Farce…
Is the M1 the same caliber as a 30-06 hunting rifle? Always heard that’s where they came from.
Nathan–
Dude, you’re CONfusing me with your wrong-headed stereotype of a liberal.
I’m sure there are people like that out there, but I don’t think I’ve met one.
XXX–
I looked at it yesterday, but have not fired it. I need to find someone who can appraise it and I have some leads. Let me know if you know anybody.
The stock has either been sanded or replaced because none of the stamps (cartouches) are on it.
Also, I need to have muzzle wear and breech erosion checked.
Ah, I’ve got it now, Am_Way.
Don’t respond to what you say.
Respond to what you’re thinking.
You are such a little girl . . .
CapnAmerica,
No, I am pretty sure I have you pegged. If you have met even half of the liberals here, then you have indeed met liberals who think just like that.
“Nathaniel” –
If its a home with kids, such security precautions make absolute sense.
But as a self-proclaimed parenting expert, you know that.
Parenting expert? No
Firearms safety expert? Yes
Don’t Christians believe in the “W.HORE of Babylon” Regular?
I don’t use that flowery language for describing “ladies”, only when mentioning w.hores.
You obviously don’t like the congressman because he’s “a democrat”, because if the shoe were on the other foot, you’d never have mentioned the “big news”.
Foul-mouthed people with high IQ’s, like myself, can appreciate a man (disregarding his political affiliation) working for We The People and questioning the ethics of a woman who helped Enron rip off it’s employees of their wealth and futures, then go on to work for a group that just ripped off trillions from the rest of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00ECLxK2YTs
Your political kowtowing is just plain scary. Please, get over yourself. We’ve got Bluejay on one side and you, Cardinal, on the other.
Damn good link Pleef.
And now we know why, with Bawnie Fwanks chairing the committee, the Audit the Fed Bill is stagnant in the house.
Wow, “Pleefer” –
It’s refreshing to see that from a WE Blog conservative.
“Regular” has admitted his participation in this forum is mere “play” for him.
You and I mostly disagree on the substance of issues, but you’re right both “BlueJay” and “Regular” reduce the level of dialog with their respective extremisms.
“BlueJay” is a ideologue; he used to subscribe to the conservative cause ’til he found the light. He sometimes become just as insufferable as a newly-recovering drunk or someone who’s just been born again.
“Regular” just baits “libs.” He has no other purpose, no higher cause, no ideology at all.
“Regular” is “…just playing….”
If I’ve ever referred to you, “Pleefer,” as a “CON,” I apologize.
I enjoy discussing issues with true conservatives. True conservatives are capable of meaningful dialog. WE Blog “CONs,” on the other hand, bring nothing but talking points and bullsiht.
Whatever you need to do to justify the tempest in your teapot, Pleefer.
And again, more reason to audit the Fed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8p0nBa866E&NR=1
Regular
Posted October 28, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
Forgive my ignorance, I was Air Farce…
Is the M1 the same caliber as a 30-06 hunting rifle? Always heard that’s where they came from.
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Reg, I believe the M-i fires a standard 7.62 NATO round.
Here you Pleefer, whether sincere or insincere, an apology from Congressman Grayson.
“I offer my sincere apology,” Grayson said in a statement, just hours after his spokesman had defended his comments. “I did not intend to use a term that is often, and correctly, seen as disrespectful of women.”
So my assessment was correct. Either that, or Congressman’s Grayson’s apologies are absolutely meaningless.
So no fiddle today x?
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 28, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
I’m into Gangstah Bagpipes.
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I didn’t realize you were jewish!
Why is Bawney Fwanks sitting on this? What is he afraid of?
What is Bernanke afraid of?
This is your money folks. Don’t you want to know what is happening to it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIaEjgXZR04&feature=related
Daniel
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:46 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:41 pm | Permalink
Not speaking for AmWay, but here’s my opinion:
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That is a clearly articulated opinion. Serious question: Suppose President Obama starts drawing down troops next Spring and all troops are out one year from now. Now suppose that the Afghanistan reverts back to the place it was pre-9/11 and is used as a place to train terrorists and launch terrorists attacks on Americans and American interests here at home and abroad.
What will you say then?
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1. If intelligence reports indicate the scenario you describe is likely to occur, then why don’t we have a full-blown massive 100% balls-out offensive now, while we are still there? Obama has not taken that approach yet, and indications are he’s not giving his Generals all of the troops being requested to do the job. BTW, what is the job? (ie. Mission)
2. If we pull out now and your scenario comes true, then what? If Obama does not have the will to fight them now, while we are there, then he won’t have the will to fight them later on.
We need to either go full speed over there or pull out. Going half-way may be the most politically correct (and easiest) option, but that is the wrong approach and it will fail.
SolDevVB
Posted October 28, 2009 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
I prefer Irish bagpipes. But the point is you promised a fiddle.
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Sorry, I got tied up. I enjoy Scottish pipes myself. I tried them as a member of the Uniformed Body as a Shriner. Smoking and bagpipes don’t mix.
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Reg, I believe the M-i fires a standard 7.62 NATO round.
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M1 RIFLE originally chambered and bored for 30-06.
not sure about the CARBINE. but probably it was 30 cal.
XXX–
The old M1 (Garand) does use a .30 x 06 cartridge.
The M1 carbine uses a .30 pistol round.
Some M1’s have been converted to .308. Israel converted a lot of its M1s.
Also, big news . . . Korea is selling off some 86 thousand M1’s and M1 Carbines. Read about it in a Sept 09 article. No telling when they’ll start arriving.
Biased–
We posted at the same time. You are correct.
“JimJohnson” –
What exactly constitutes “winning” the Afghan War?
Seven years of Shrub/Cheney couldn’t figure it out.
The CIA has been exposed as stove-piping “intelligence” about Sadam Hussein’s WMDs. And Shrub declared “Mission Accomplished” in 2003.
There’s video of (the Big) Dick Cheney bragging His Administration started assessing goals and committments to Afghanistan “…in the fall of 2008!”
McChrystal presented his plan… based on the inherited Shrub/Cheney “…fall 2008…” as assessed by Shrub/Cheney as they were leaving.
With grown-ups back in power, the President of the United States had the audacity to ask some simple questions:
What constitutes “winning” in Afghanistan?
What does “winning” actually WIN us?
How have things in that part of the world changed since George WMD Bush declared “Mission Accomplished.”
It’s a cliche of Journalism School when they’re told, “If your Mother tells you she loves you, get a second source.”
No WE Blog CON has even attempted to address my many posts pointing out Afghanistan is About Pakistan.
I figure it’s because no one can refute it.
You CONs really hate it when I’m right, don’tcha>
Obama Signs Defense Policy Bill That Includes ‘Hate Crime’ Legislation
President Obama signed into a law a $680 billion defense spending bill on Wednesday that includes a controversial measure extending hate-crime protection to gays.
The measure is named after Matthew Shepard, a gay college student who was brutally murdered 11 years ago in a bias-motivated attack in Wyoming.
“This law honors our l3sbian, g@y, bis3xual and transg3nder brothers and sisters whose lives were cut short because of hate,” Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese said in a statement released Wednesday. “Today’s signing of the first major piece of civil rights legislation to protect LGBT Americans represents a historic milestone in the inevitable march towards equality.”
Fox News
Monkeyspew–
You CONs really hate it when I’m right, don’tcha>
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Oh contraire monkeyboy, we would LOVE to see you be
ya know..
right.
but just once a day would be too much ask….
American_Way
Posted September 19, 2009 at 6:11 am | Permalink
As I’ve posted many times: Bring the troops home.
It’s not that we cannot win, it’s that we do not have the will to win.
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I guess if AmWay didnt actually post this — what he says he didnt say… i guess he “nic” could have been compromised by somebody else… ya think, CapN??
Happens all the time, “biased1″ –
All the time.
You CONs hate that.
I can tell.
With grown-ups back in power, the President of the United States had the audacity to ask some simple questions:
What constitutes “winning” in Afghanistan?
What does “winning” actually WIN us?
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Pakistan!
Now, watch this putt….
WPE.
Munkeyboy- Spits out his “Gangstah Bagpipe” long enough to offer more proof….
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Happens all the time, “biased1? –
All the time.
You CONs hate that.
I can tell.
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You amuse me Monkeyspunk….
And yes I do mean you are funny…
“funny like a” Ya know…
“clown”
nit.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 28, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink
“JimJohnson” –
What exactly constitutes “winning” the Afghan War?
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You make my point, and support then bringing the troops home now, right?
That’s part of the problem, Obama has not defined the mission. Since he can’t even do that, bring our troops home now.
Now if you adopt Daniel’s view, that Afghanistan will revert back to a training ground for terrorists that will attack the US, what would you do about that?
You will need a whole lot more troops then are over there now, and a whole lot of Afghans will have to be killed. You got the stomach for that? Obama doesn’t, and public opinion isn’t to high on that approach either.
So, you are left with – bring em home now.
biased1
Posted October 28, 2009 at 3:35 pm | Permalink
With grown-ups back in power, the President of the United States had the audacity to ask some simple questions:
What constitutes “winning” in Afghanistan?
What does “winning” actually WIN us?
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Pakistan!
Now, watch this putt….
WPE.
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Worst Putter Ever?
Government Bailouts Continue?
National Mortgage News:
Mortgage Parent Going to Treasury for Third Capital Helping
GMAC Financial, which controls the nation’s fifth largest mortgage banking franchise, is talking to the Treasury Department about the government investing up to $5 billion in additional capital into the struggling mortgage and auto lender.
Maybe Obama, like he solves our economic crisis through corporate bailouts, should just give money to the Afghan people who say they won’t support the Taliban/Al Queda?
Oh wait, what’s in that Defense Bill he just signed?
The US military in Afghanistan is to be allowed to pay Taliban fighters who renounce violence against the government in Kabul.
The move is included in a defence bill which President Obama has signed.
The US military in Afghanistan is to be allowed to pay Taliban fighters who renounce violence against the government in Kabul.
The move is included in a defence bill which President Obama has signed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8329129.stm
We shoulda just paid-off every German and Japanese person instead of actually having to fight WWII.
I don’t have an issue with any of my fellow countrymen/women and especially you all here on the WeBlog. None whatsoever. I get a pottymouth going on because I get exasperated and lose my cool. I apologize for that.
My issues transcend party lines, because indeed, “we are all in this together”. I just want the people that are the problem being held to account and not shifting the blame from side to side as a distraction. Treating us all as if we’re a bunch of fools. I know we are all good people and have been lead astray by these elitists and their Divide and Conquer 101 playbook.
And Regular, I’m glad that he’s apologized for his language to her, but still, she is far from a decent human being. And it, like Mr. Wilson’s apology to Obama, is just a “shut up the media from the distraction” move.
Like Mr. Wilson and his “you lie!” line, Mr. Grayson’s words attack where it’s needed. Obama does indeed lie and so does Mrs. Alexander.
“JimJohnson” –
As I’ve posted many times before, the issue is Pakistan.
Shrub/Cheney “dithered” with Afghanistan since “Mission Accomplished.”
And — to borrow a phrase — George WMD Bush and (the Big) Dick Cheney left the new President of the United States with a stack of “unknown unknowns.”
So it’s somehow wrong to get the facts about the situation on the ground, the goals, the consequences, and the dead-solid fact (thanks, Ronald Reagan) the only Islamic nukes in the world are controlled by Pakistan?
This isn’t an either/or “pull ‘em all out” or “send more Marines” kind of question.
It’s a lot easier for CONs to just carp about the President of the United States.
Which CONs do. With astounding predictability.
Astounding how this President “dithers” to learn the facts about the situation. “What constitutes ‘victory?’” (You didn’t address that; nor has any WE Blog CON.)
What will we have “won?” (You didn’t address that; nor has any WE Blog CON.)
What are the consequences of “winning” or “losing” Shrub’s Afghanistan War? (You didn’t address that, either.)
Specific questions, “JimJohnson.”
Share your brilliance, “JimJohnson.”
No WE Blog CON has the guts so far.
“guess if AmWay didnt actually post this — what he says he didnt say”
Chas I realize you want to stick up for your butt buddy CapnAmerica, but do you really want to continue being the village idiot?
What does my opinion on Afghanistan have to do with my early AM post on Pakistan?
Now you can dance like Capn. Let me get my six-shooter out and start……..
BTW, Good to see you SSGT PRICE!!!
Hope you and a few others here got my email..
(No response required)
I have two M1 A1 carbines that I got from the red river ord with ten round an thirty round clips they use what is called 30 carbine shells.
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American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 4:16 pm | Permalink
Hope you and a few others here got my email..
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Suddenly, I feel left out and under appreciated.
XXX,
Didn’t you fire the M1 when you are an activ duty Marine?
XXX.
You are Old Corps to me….
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 28, 2009 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Astounding how this President “dithers” to learn the facts about the situation. “What constitutes ‘victory?’” (You didn’t address that; nor has any WE Blog CON.)
What will we have “won?” (You didn’t address that; nor has any WE Blog CON.)
What are the consequences of “winning” or “losing” Shrub’s Afghanistan War? (You didn’t address that, either.)
Specific questions, “JimJohnson.”
Share your brilliance, “JimJohnson.”
No WE Blog CON has the guts so far.
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Good questions Monkey, and Obama hasn’t answered any of them. Remember, Obama, not Johnson is CIC.
Obama hasn’t defined Victory in Afghanistan or Pakistan, since YOU want to now combine the two.
Consequences of Winning? Without defining Victory, sorta hard to define winning, isn’t it?
Consequences of continuing the same path? More Americans killed for no reason.
Consequences of Losing and pulling out?
Unknown. If Obama has intelligence showing Afghanistan has WMD’s or is somehow still a threat to the US, then it’s the job of President to make the case to the American People and to Congress to justify military action there.
Pakistan obviously has WMD’s. Are they somehow a threat to the US? Obama has failed so far to do his job and make the case for continued war in Afghanistan and/or Pakistan or Pawki stahn as Obama would call it.
You either believe your Generals or you don’t, if Obama thinks he’s smarter then the Generals he has in charge over there, then General Obama should direct the war personally, or he should find another set of Generals he can believe in.
While Obama dithers around, American soldiers die. Press-on full-speed ahead or Pull-out.
Y’all wanted a Community Organizer as POTUS, well, now you can see what a pi ss poor CIC a Community Organizer makes – trying to buy-off the Taliban as if he’s trying to reduce crime in the streets of Chicago. And thinking about his next move….thinking….pondering…golfing….thinking……
M1 Carbine was .30 caliber.
M1 Garand was either 30-06 or 308.
Both are nasty military assault rifles. Don’t know why anyone would want one.
You need at least 3 or 4 of em, but not one.
Yeah I know JJ. Just checking if XXX was in the “big one” WWI…..
i see ‘the one’ signed a federal ‘hate crimes’ bill into law. so, now a murder is more serious than a ‘normal’ murder if it is a ‘hate crime’. So, some victims’ are worth more than others?
This idiocy makes no sense whatsoever.
“JimJohnson” responds –
“Good questions Monkey, and Obama hasn’t answered any of them.”
No.
He asked them.
And the answers are coming in. From the Department of State, from the Pentagon, from the commanders in the field. And it’s pretty likely there have been some contradictory “answers” which lead to more questions.
I asked CONs to give me their opinions on what constitutes “winning,” what we may have “won,” and the costs and the consequences.
No WE Blog CON even has the guts to venture a guess or opinion.
You admit I posed “…good questions….”</i<
You pointedly did not attempt any answers.
If you have an opinion — other than denigrating the President of the United States — share them in this forum, "JimJohnson."
What constitutes "winning?"
What will we have "won?"
At what cost? (In dollars and blood.)
With what consequences?
Pretty simple questions, "JimJohnson."
You even admit they are “Good questions….”
You’re pretty smug in your ability to avoid ‘em.
Now try to share this forum with your brilliance and propose some answers.
Monkeyhawk continues to post whereever, so even though there is a perfectly good thread on Afghanistan, he has people jumping all over. Chaos.
Like his party.
Raptor
Posted October 28, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
i see ‘the one’ signed a federal ‘hate crimes’ bill into law. so, now a murder is more serious than a ‘normal’ murder if it is a ‘hate crime’. So, some victims’ are worth more than others?
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So how do you feel about laws that increase penalties when the victim is a law enforcement officer?
I don’t believe I have ever formed or expressed an opinion on those. Murder is murder…there are already different degrees–1st degree, 2nd degree, etc. Involuntary manslaughter and so on. I fail to see why someone’s membership in one particularly defined group means their death is more heinous than anyone else.
“equal protection under the law” doesn’t seem to be the rule anymore.
“Good questions Monkey, and Obama hasn’t answered any of them.”
What Johnson? You expect the Whiner-In-Chief to have a reason? You expect him to KNOW why he has committed troops to combat? You expect Obama who ran for US President all cocky about Afghanistan – ten months into his presidency TO HAVE ANSWERS!?!?
Just because he is IN CHARGE, and just because his party controls both houses of Congress, you can’t expect him to make a decision and STAND FOR HIS CONVICTIONS.
Can you?
Daniel, I’d be against that too.
“why someone’s membership in one particularly defined group means their death is more heinous”
It already happens with other laws. Racial laws like civil rights laws – only apply when whites hurt blacks. Not when blacks hurt whites. Nor when blacks hurt blacks.
It’s all political and BS.
“Bravest Congressman Is Calling Obama’s Bluff”
The bravest member of the House of Representatives, Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan, is calling President Barack Obama’s bluff on the question of federal funding of abortion in the health care bill.
Like other members, Stupak was sitting in the House chamber on Sept. 9 when Obama delivered a nationally televised address to a joint session of Congress urging passage of the bill.
It was during this speech that Obama said it was false to claim the bill would provide insurance to illegal immigrants and that Republican Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina famously blurted out, “You lie.”
What is not famous—yet—is what Obama said just seconds after Wilson accused him of lying: “And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up: Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”
Shortly after this speech, an incredulous Bart Stupak got Obama on the phone. Stupak, you see, knows as much about the status of abortion funding in the health care bill as anyone.
On Aug. 21, after Obama gave a radio talk insisting it was “not true” the health care plan would allow federal funding of abortion, FactCheck.org concluded, “Despite what Obama said, the House bill would allow abortions to be covered by a federal plan and by federally subsidized private plans.”
Nothing had changed by Sept. 9, when Obama reiterated his claim to the joint session of Congress.
In an interview last week, I read to Stupak the exact words Obama said that night about abortion funding. Stupak told me that when he got Obama on the phone, he had read those very words to Obama himself.
Obama responded to Stupak—a former police officer—that when he said these words he was not talking about the actual health care plan developed by the House, he was talking about his own plan—a plan that has never been written.
“I called him,” Stupak told me. “I called the president—had a discussion with the president. And I read exactly what you just said. And he said: What it says is ‘under my plan’—meaning the president’s plan. And I said: With all due respect, sir, you do not have a plan. The only plan we have out is the House plan.”
In short: Obama is a liar
Change= Business as usual:
Washington (AP) – President Barack Obama has rewarded top Democratic donors with perks ranging from holiday visits to the White House to policy briefings, carrying on a practice of past presidents despite his promise to change how Washington works, a report published Wednesday shows.
At least 39 Democratic donors and fundraisers attended a White House reception on St. Patrick’s Day, and festivities held at the White House for Cinco de Mayo and Independence Day were financed at least in part by the Democratic National Committee, The Washington Times reported. Democratic National Committee documents it obtained showed the party promising top fundraisers who pledged to donate or raise certain amounts access to senior White House officials..
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 28, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
“JimJohnson” responds –
“Good questions Monkey, and Obama hasn’t answered any of them.”
No.
He asked them.
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If the POTUS and CIC does not define the mission and make the case for war, who does?
Definition of victory in war: You have killed your enemy and force them to the point of surrender.
To accomplish that in Afghanistan, 1/2 million US troops will be needed and hundreds of thousands of Afghan people will be killed. You have the stomach for that Monkey? I doubt the people of the US would support that.
Keeping the status quo will result in more of the same, likely for 10+ years. The US voted for change. Where’s the change?
OPTIONS
1. Escalation to the level needed to win the war will not be found to be acceptable.
2. Status Quo: 10+ years of what we have now, and the Taliban/Al Queda will not be eliminated and will not give up with a Half-A assault. This will not be acceptable.
3. Withdraw. We’ve inflicted revenge for 9/11, bring our troops home.
If Daniel is correct and Afghanistan/Pakistan region remains a continued threat to the US, then the correct option is #1.
#2 is wrong in all scenarios.
#3 is correct if indeed there is no longer a credible threat to the US.
The threat assessment, the real intelligence is the key.
In any case, it’s up to the CIC to make the tough decisions and make the case to the people, for whatever option is selected.
So far, Obama is VOTING PRESENT, and staying with Option 2. Selecting Option 2 is a decision to make no decision, and that is an unacceptable approach for any President to make.
Remember when libs cared about Bush abusing the constitution?
“The Constitution gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce … among the several states” – a clause that has served as the foundation for broad economic regulatory and taxing powers claimed by the legislative branch.
But Randy Barnett, a professor at Georgetown University Law Center, asks, “Where in the [Constitution] is the power to mandate that individuals buy health insurance?” His answer: Nowhere.
“The business of providing health insurance is now an entirely intrastate activity” beyond the regulatory sway of the federal government, he said.
Washington lawyers David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey argued in an Aug. 22 column in The Washington Post that Congress has no constitutional power to tell people what they must buy.
“The Constitution assigns only limited, enumerated powers to Congress, and none, including the power to regulate interstate commerce or to impose taxes, would support a federal mandate requiring anyone who is otherwise without health insurance to buy it,” they said.
But other legal scholars say that the Supreme Court has in recent decades taken a much broader view of Congress’ commerce powers and would likely do the same in this case if the legislation’s mandate is challenged in court.
“I would be willing to wager with Professor Barnett that the Supreme Court would uphold such a mandate, given the court’s expansive reading of the Commerce Clause. In fact, I don’t think the vote would be close,” Washington and Lee University professor Timothy Stoltzfus Jost said.”
WashTimes
Raptor
Posted October 28, 2009 at 5:36 pm | Permalink
I don’t believe I have ever formed or expressed an opinion on those.
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That’s why I asked.
Your position that all victims are equal is one that I happen to agree with.
Hate crimes legislation deals more with the motivation for the crime than it does with the victim of the crime, in my opinion.
How will this WIN? It’s a strategy for defeat. Look historically. Guarding the population centers will not win the hearts and souls of the Taliban who WILL and do control most of the countryside. This will be a decades long occupation of the cities.
WASHINGTON — President Obama’s advisers are focusing on a strategy for Afghanistan aimed at protecting about 10 top population centers, administration officials said Tuesday, describing an approach that would stop short of an all-out assault on the Taliban while still seeking to nurture long-term stability.
Sounds to me like our neighbor to the west needs to start printing more FREE MONEY and providing FREE HEALTHCARE for all.
Obviously they need to join democrats and spend their way to prosperity!
“State employees, many of whom are set to take four furlough days this year, will see four more unpaid days in the first six months of 2010, Gov. Bill Ritter said Tuesday.
“I understand these furlough days will be a hardship on employees and their families and on those who rely on the services that state employees provide,” Ritter, a Democrat, said in a statement.
“But these difficult economic times demand this sacrifice from all of us — and state employees are stepping up and sharing in the sacrifices that all families and all businesses are making,” he said. “These furlough days are just one of many tough choices we will be making over the coming year to keep the budget balanced in a fair and responsible way.”
Ritter’s office, which has bridged a $320 million deficit in the current budget year, is expected today to reveal its plans to deal with a remaining shortfall estimated at $270 million. The state has closed a $1.8 billion deficit in the past several months.”
Daniel…I do not pretend to be a legal scholar, but in my limited knowledge, motive is already a determination in criminal cases. For example, pre-meditated, 1st degree murder receives harsher penalties than involuntary manslaughter, even tho both victims are still dead.
I can see the sense in that. However, I cannot see why one assault is worse than another simply because of the victims “status”.
That is creating two classes of victims, which is dangerously diverting from the constitutional ideal of equal protection as called for in the 14th Amendment.
“As the anniversary of the election approaches, the tidal wave of hope that swept Obama into office has ebbed and some perceptions of the president have changed, the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds. He’s seen more as a down-the-line liberal, less as someone who can bridge partisan divides. Still, he retains a fair share of voter regard and his approval rating, while no longer in the stratosphere of those early days, remains at 50% or just above in Gallup’s daily survey.
A year later, it’s a wait-and-see nation.
“There’s a kind of realism that’s taken over, that ‘the change you can believe in’ — people have woken up and seen that as kind of a talking point, and I think there’s some disappointment, some deflation,” says Lawrence Jacobs, director of the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance at the University of Minnesota. “On the other hand, when you take into account he’s been president during the sharpest economic decline since the Great Depression, it’s astounding that his support is not weaker.”
Raptor,
The gay-bashers already created another class of victim, just as the lynch mobs of the South did. Unless you support gay-bashing, I really don’t see why it should matter to you if hate crimes rate a stiffer sentence. Something we don’t know about you?
The legislation allows federal authorities to pursue charges in violent crimes motivated by the victim’s actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability, in cases where local authorities cannot or will not secure appropriate convictions. It also opens up federal aid to local law enforcement for training, prevention and investigation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/28/hate-crimes-bill-to-be-si_n_336883.html
BTW.. anti-government activist shot down in Detroit by the Feds moments ago..
I will ignore your snide question and describe my concern. How about we have stiffer penalties for beating up someone of Irish decscent? Or harsher penalties for killing someone with blonde hair? Or longer jail sentences for assaulting someone who is tall?
Do you really think this ‘hate crime’ nonsense will actually stop the hate mongers? Do you really think they will stop swinging a baseball bat because of enhanced penalties? Of course not, but it sets a dangerous precedent where penalties are based not on the crime, but on the status of the victim.
Shall we extend it to economic status as well?
Rapt,
The penalties are set regarding the motivation for the crime, not the victim’s orientation. If a straight guy is accused of being gay and beaten or killed, as I’ve seen happen, it’s still a hate crime and would be punished as such regardless of the victim’s “status.”
As for beating up someone of Irish descent, it’s odds-on he started the fight!
It gives law enforcement additional resources and tools to prosecute the bad guys.
Hate crimes legislation should be ruled unconstituional. It should make no difference is the victim is gay, or if the perpetrator wanted the 10 bucks the victim might have in their possesion
“That is creating two classes of victims, which is dangerously diverting from the constitutional ideal of equal protection as called for in the 14th Amendment.” [Raptor]
NO.. not two classes of victims… A Victim is a victim. Different classes of OFFENDER… Read up on that equal protection… It is equal protection UNDER THE LAW…
You sort of left out that phrase… How convenient for your version of spin…
Regardless of how you want to spin it Chas-
it creates a class of victims more important than the other, by virtue of the fact of their simply being something other than a WASP, the penalty for harming them is higher.
lj,
If the goal is to eradicate prejudice, why shouldn’t we penalize the actions of prejudice? I’ve personally spent way too much time in hospital waiting rooms waiting for news of friends, good people all, who were beaten and killed for no other reason than being alive. I’m for any law that might prevent that from happening again.
untrue, lj.
Jed-
As has been spoken here many times…You cannot legislate morality. NOr can you legislate thought processes or prejudices. I am whole heartedly for punishing people for committing violent crime, regardless of the victim, or the reason.
DavidB-
You can claim untrue all you want. But in fact, it does it make it true.
Jed-
It is not that I have some use for those who decide to settle their percieved “differences” with another with violence. I simply have no use for those who sette their differences, whether it is their “differences’ or just because the perp is a mean sob,or because he wants the shoes on the victims feet.
Unlike morality you can legislate activity. Non self defense violence is an activity that should be met with harshly, regardless of the motive
chas….in my 5:36 post I did put the entire phrase..
““equal protection under the law” doesn’t seem to be the rule anymore.”
you going to start a caps lock meltdown again?
but, it is clearly NOT equal protection under the law when the status of the victim (perceived or real) is the basis for the enhanced penalties.
how about we punish people who attack Catholics more harshly than those who beat up on Methodists?
It clearly is not equal protection under the law.. the hate crimes law provides greater protection for some and not for others.
littlejohn
Posted October 28, 2009 at 7:01 pm | Permalink
Regardless of how you want to spin it Chas-
it creates a class of victims more important than the other, by virtue of the fact of their simply being something other than a WASP, the penalty for harming them is higher.
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So, you REALLY believe that no hate crime could be committed against a WASP???
I think you havent read the legislation carefully enough… Your idea is terribly skewed….
two of the above comments are definitive proof of the biggest downfalls of this blog. I posted an opinion and gave my reasons for that opinion. One poster obliquely suggested I am a gay basher, and another accused me of “spin” when I am presenting an opinion.
Are you people EVER civil? Or is that an impossibility for you to consider someone might have a differing opinion?
lj,
You’re probably not old enough to remember, but up until the 1970’s it was open season on gay people. Police never even bothered to investigate if they found out a murder victim was gay. If a case of gay bashing ever actually made it to court, a defense of “He came on to me, so I had to kill him!” always got a dismissal, sometimes even praise from the judge! Maybe if it’s now tilted a bit in the other direction, it’s justice.
“It clearly is not equal protection under the law.. the hate crimes law provides greater protection for some and not for others.” [Raptor]
You are working hard to build a straw man, out of a misunderstanding of the purpose of the equal protection clause… The equal protection clause is not for victims… but rather to PROTECT the rights of the one(s) being prosecuted.
Please check into that…
IF you beat up a Catholic JUST because they are Catholic… That could be classified a hate crime… On the other hand, if you beat up a Catholic, because you want his Rolex watch, and wallet, then it isnt a hate crime… What is there about that that you are not understanding??
“So, you REALLY believe that no hate crime could be committed against a WASP???”
Sorry, I didn;t say that, but please drone on.
You make some interesting points, but I do not agree with you. However, being an adult, I can disagree without personal attack, insinuation or insult.
OK Raptor… You did use the entire phrase… EXcyyyyse me… But I still question your use if said phrase…
Rapt,
Maybe I’ve just seen too many friends injured or dead to quite buy your pleas of innocence on all counts. This issue has you squirming way too much for you to not have some personal stake in it.
littlejohn
Posted October 28, 2009 at 7:25 pm | Permalink
“So, you REALLY believe that no hate crime could be committed against a WASP???”
Sorry, I didn;t say that, but please drone on.
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Well, yea, you did… but you might not recognize it… LOOK >>>>
it creates a class of victims more important than the other, by virtue of the fact of their simply being something other than a WASP, the penalty for harming them is higher.
L-J You are implying that only crimes committed by WASPS against other victims are hate crimes… My wording was confusing… I got competition from World Series…
So, what is it if a Black commits a crime against a NON-black… only because they are NON-black?? See that’s a hate crime too…
No matter what, the Perpetrator is protected by equal protection under the law…
Any crime is bad… but when perpetrated against a person JUST because they are black, or white, or gay, or Catholic, or Jewish, etc., etc. is a HATE crime…
I cant do this and watch the game… Go read the legislation again…. OK???
Okay CHas- You win. Whatever. I have not the inclinatin, nor the energy, to spin in circles of your making with you.
I don;t beleive in hate crimes legislation. I don;t believe in extra charges because the victim is black or white, or green, or male, or female, or something in between, or heterosexual, or homosexual, or bisexual, or transexual, or rich,or poor, or catholic, or muslim, or any other category. I believe in punishing people for perpetrating violent crimes on anyone….to the fullest extant of the law. If Law enforcement will not do their job, they should be fired at the least, and perhaps charged with aiding and abetting.
Chas-
Go back to your game. It’s okay. You don;t have to prove your point, and I don;t really care. However you took m post, my post above clarifies my position.
It doesn’t create specially protected classes because the actual class of the victim is not at issue.
It is the motivation of the criminal that matters.
There is societal reasons for these laws:
From wikip: “..I n Chief Justice Rehnquist’s words, “this conduct is thought to inflict greater individual and societal harm…. bias-motivated crimes are more likely to provoke retaliatory crimes, inflict distinct emotional harms on their victims, and incite community unrest.”
Further, the ‘unequal protection” claim has been rejected by the courts.
“Several litigants have argued that state penalty enhancement or bias-motivated crimes statutes violate the equal protection clause of the United States Constitution. These parties have suggested either that the statutes unconstitutionally benefit minorities, because minorities are more likely to be victims of bias crimes, or that the statutes unconstitutionally burden majority members because majority members are more likely to be prosecuted. In each case, the state court has rejected the argument, noting that the statute is neutral on its face and that the state has a legitimate interest in punishing hate crimes more severely. As previously noted, the defendant in Mitchell was Black and his victim was white.”
http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/constitutionality.asp
Uh oh!
Remember Levi Johnston? You know, the baby daddy to lil’ Sarah Palin’s first and only grandchild? HE says he knows stuff that can hurt Palin. Bad.
Reached for comment lil’ Sarah said (paraphrasing) “Oh yeah? Well…he takes his clothes off for naughty books!”
Blue,
You mean worse than what he already revealed in that interview? Now that’s gotta be juicy!
jed your insinuation is without merit and is disgusting and personally insulting.
gth. i am done with this blog for tonight and for a while. this is ridiculous..someone cannot express an opinion without being personally insulted and attack.
jed your comments are repulsive.
” In each case, the state court has rejected the argument, noting that the statute is neutral on its face and that the state has a legitimate interest in punishing hate crimes more severely. As previously noted, the defendant in Mitchell was Black and his victim was white”
Big deal. and while my position is that you have to live with and uphold the Supreme court’s decisions, it doesn’t mean I have to agree with them.
I’m against hate crimes laws because they create a favored class. Plus, they depend on discerning what a person is thinking, something that can never be known for sure. They essentially criminalize thought.
Now Jedi IB 1 Oldude can trot out his embellished stories about the bad old days, but that was then, this is now. Criminal behavior is criminal behavior. Some folks should not be more protected than others. And especially when that favoratism is based on who they decide to have sex with.
Violent Hate Crime vs Violent Crime, anyone know the numbers for each?
What’s the scope of the ‘Hate Crime’ in the US?
Pretty small I think.
Violent Hate Crime vs Violent Crime
2007 FBI Crime Statistics
Non-Hate Murder 16,929
Hate Murder 9
Non-Hate Rape 90,427
Hate Rape 2
Non-Hate Assault 855,856
Hate Assault 1,116
Non-Hate Violent Crime 963,212
Hate Violent Crime 1,127
Total 964,339
Percent Non-Hate 99.8831%
Percent Hate 0.1169%
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_01.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/table_07.htm
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JimJohnson
Posted October 28, 2009 at 9:08 pm | Permalink
Violent Hate Crime vs Violent Crime, anyone know the numbers for each?
What’s the scope of the ‘Hate Crime’ in the US?
Pretty small I think.
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Probably so.
Without looking up the figures I’d guess that the ratio of Violent Hate Crime to Violent Crime is probably similar to the ratio of Third Trimester Abortions to First and Second Term Abortions.
Pretty small I think.
Victory for Obama Over Military Lobby
By CHRISTOPHER DREW NYTimes
When the Obama administration proposed canceling a host of expensive weapons systems last spring, some of the military industry’s allies in Congress assumed, as they had in the past, that they would have the final say.
But as the president signed a $680 billion military policy bill on Wednesday, it was clear that he had succeeded in paring back nearly all of the programs and setting a tone of greater restraint than the Pentagon had seen in many years.
JimJohnson
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
BlueJay
Posted October 28, 2009 at 12:26 pm | Permalink
“Several future generations will pay the price for the irresponsible spending by Americans in the 20th and 21st centuries.”
That’s what we have them for.
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BJ thinks we have kids so we can make them pay for us.
Excellent BJ, Excellent! As long as it’s anybody, but yourself!
I suppose BJ, if you needed a heart transplant, you could just yank-out your son’s heart and use it for yourself.
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Yeah Old Yellow Feathers is all for making his life more comfortable. Most good and decent parents want to leave the place in better shape than they found it,but YF’s attitude is screw the future as long as I get what I want and don’t have to pay for it.
Dems and libs are raping us, and think we like it. One trillion is just the start.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091029/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul
Amendment Would Let Kansas Opt Out of Potential Health Reforms
Kansas Senator Mary Pilcher-Cook of Shawnee, along with colleagues in the Kansas House from Wichita and Emporia, is planning an attempt to amend the Kansas Constitution, should Congress pass health reforms that mandate everyone carry health insurance. The amendment would allow the state to basically opt-out of such legislation. Cook tells KMBZ it would need the support of two-thirds of lawmakers, and then a thumbs up from the Kansas people on the 2010 ballot.
Let’s hope it’s not necessary but regardless it kind of makes me proud to be a Kansan.
We don’t need no stinkin Federal government running everything including our lives.
“and think we like it”
Actually they don’t care if we like it. They are telling us we like it. But they don’t care if we do or not.
Obama set the tone when he called the republican leadership into the white house in week one.
“We won”
There is and will be no compromise. No reaching across the table..
That simple phrase is basically the motivation for many people to ensure they never win again. Libs laugh about that. Laugh now.
Keep laughing.
But you better pray to your Gubermint Gawd that history has ended and won’t repeat itself. Because throughout our history,
the other side will rise again…..
The problem is Box, that there may not be any choice left. If the gubermint sells insurance for less, the private corporations will surely close down.
Kansas may opt out,but have no one else to buy the product from.
$500 Billion Medicare Cut!
From Georges link at 9:22:
The price tag, topping $1 trillion over 10 years, would be paid for by taxing high-income people and cutting some $500 billion in payments to Medicare providers.
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American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 9:34 pm | Permalink
Kansas may opt out,but have no one else to buy the product from.
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I bet he’ll still be proud to be a Kansan.
Are you kidding? After Ks. opts out the ins. companies will flock to ks. to gouge the suckers. And, the ones with branches here will use ks. to make up for any reduction in proits in another state. Think it through.
“Think it through.”
I have. Obama is going to reach into my pocket further to pay for everyone else’s FREE health insurance. Then tax me on my plan (penalty for having a good one). Then, my company will opt out, even though I don’t want to.
Finally, I will be stuck with the government plan like everyone else. Waiting in line….
“$500 billion in payments to Medicare providers.”
Well that will work, because there won’t be any more Medicare providers. They will all stop taking medicare patients!
Regardless what happens….it’s still a slap in the face of the worst president EVER.
His socialist attitude and the people he is surrounding himself with just STINK.
American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Permalink
“Think it through.”
I have. Obama is going to reach into my pocket further to pay for everyone else’s FREE health insurance. Then tax me on my plan (penalty for having a good one). Then, my company will opt out, even though I don’t want to.
Finally, I will be stuck with the government plan like everyone else. Waiting in line….
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Whine, whine, whine, why don’t your move to another country? We why you don’t. Your health care is paid by the U.S. government. You puzzy!
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American_Way
Posted October 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Permalink
I have. Obama is going to reach into my pocket further to pay for everyone else’s FREE health insurance. Then tax me on my plan (penalty for having a good one). Then, my company will opt out, even though I don’t want to.
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I heard that President Obama is going to come to your house and personally kick your puppy.
It’s Free AmWay.
Paid for by the US Government.
Why Steven, you have reverted to name-calling!
How on earth can this be? Say it ain’t so!
The righteous StevenDavis, who left the blog to create a blog free of all us nasty “cons” who lie and name-call and have destroyed TBTSNBN.
You bad mouth us cons (for having our own opinions), call us stupid, dumb, idiots. Talk about how awful we are (as if we are not Americans, and have no right to pretend to be).
Yet here you are ending the day by calling me names?
I hope you are proud of yourself Steven.
Now go back to your own blog and talk big man about defeating those no good unAmerican awful “cons”…..
Tell em about how the nasty “cons” and why you had to leave.
You talk about a whiner. He11, I didn’t leave!!
PS: I don’t have government insurance. I have posted it before. But hey, you libs KNOW everything and are not really concerned with the truth..
“I heard that President Obama is going to come to your house and personally kick your puppy.”
Looking for more cocaine money for his habit?
Let him break in. That would really make my day.
Next we will have StevenDavis whining to the weblog editor about how terrible Regular or one of us are and requesting we be “banned”.
As if he is somehow a “better person” than the rest of us ordinary folk.
That’s it! I figured it out!
Why libs don’t like religion!?!
Because that way they can’t be called sinners!
StevenDavis calls me a puzzy. (sniffle sniffle) NOT!
Yet I’m here. Where is he? Why he ran away to hide among his girlfriends on his blog.
Safehaven. Mommas teats.
Non-hacker.
“American way” is just one of many of of James “Regular” McCluer’s nics. And I stand ready to put that to the test.
And my little yapping dog offers…
“Most good and decent parents want to leave the place in better shape than they found it,
As do I. That is why I rise in defense of an invigorated PUBLIC space program. I have paid and continue to pay for everything from the Vietnam war to the Reagan revolution.
Hey “Freebird”?
You’ve been yapping after me for an interview.
I’ll grant it. Provided you get “American way” there too.
This could be very interesting.
I have not run away, Am-way. You are a puzzy. The kind that smells pretty bad. . . .
ESADYMF… You are so pathetic and stupid… Can’t even beleive I am talking to a dum bass like you….
Now ‘American way” you are not about to leave poor ol’ “Freebird” barking in the wind.
Are you?
Hey “Freebird”?
You’ve been yapping after me for an interview.
I’ll grant it. Provided you get “American way” there too.
This could be very interesting
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Those puzzies will be too afraid to show up. Count on it!!! I’ll be there.
At least you’re resilient, “American_Way” –
You got slapped around earlier today over your “free health care” claim.
You ran away.
You must’ve thought I wouldn’t return.
Care for another round?
Ahhh, BlueJay’s nightly accusation that I’m some other blogger.
Yawn…
What IS it with the preponderance of con nics who no one has ever met and the as ever appearance of James “Regular” McCluer” who ALWAYS shows up to defend it?
Well, I THINK I know. I’m as ever ready to put my supposition to the test.
Naw, you don’t care BlueJay, you just do it to antagonize. Even if proven wrong, you wouldn’t care and you admitted such before.
It’s a boring tactic, worn out and pretty much dead on this blog – as the ‘boy who cried wolf one too many times.’
The challenge stands James.
“Naw, you don’t care BlueJay, you just do it to antagonize.”
No not so.
In the early days of this forum, there was much confusion between “Hank Price” and “Nathan”. They were assumed to be the same person. I fed into that and I was wrong.
Perhaps THAT is why we on the left are so concerned with certain identities here. At least for me it is true.
Then along came James.
I didn’t set the standard here for “who is who?”. That was Hank Price and his invitations to lunch.
I don’t remember calling you out “Regular”.
At least not under that nic. I’ve already MET you.
How is it my calling out other bloggers gets you all defensive?
“Even if proven wrong, you wouldn’t care and you admitted such before.”
Where?
I assumed that “donndublin” was “okobserver” and admitted when I was wrong and that don only POSTED like a mean, greedy old lady.
Yawn…
Hey BLuejay-
How about that bet? Wanna make it a hundred dollars instead of a thousand? You called me out about supposedly being “Regular” posting under the nic littlejohn. I called you on it. You of course, ran away. How about it? Maybe a thousand dollars was too much for you. How about a hundred? And a public apology, and standing the floor up for 6 months here on the weblog?
You are so damn interested in who posts under what and accuses this one of being that one. Back it up.
well gee, guess I missed him. Too bad. The offer still stands. Night all
Me and you BJ Sun at 10 at Dons
Blue Jay,
Why are you afraid of a 1 on 1 meet up,you don’t grant anything,I’offering to buy you breakfast and have a discussion between 2 adults if you can manage to do so.
Blue Jay,
I’ll be there Sun at 10 will you?
What is with BlueJays obsession with meeting anonymous bloggers? Is is some deep seated insecurity in himself that he has to lay eyes on those that he is intimidated by or call him for what he is?
Weird!
Just for the record, here are a couple of very recent examples of the immaturity level
of the blogger who had Regular banned. I suppose his childish, rambling, swearing,
and dignified posts are indicative of the liberals who feel so much better than the rest of us:
StevenEDavis
Posted October 28, 2009 at 10:16 pm | Permalink
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Whine, whine, whine, why don’t your move to another country? We why you don’t. Your health care is paid by the U.S. government. You puzzy!
StevenEDavis
Posted October 28, 2009 at 11:03 pm | Permalink
I have not run away, XXXXXX. You are a puzzy. The kind that smells pretty bad. . . .
ESADYMF… You are so pathetic and stupid… Can’t even beleive I am talking to a dum bass like you….
This is an adult? This is the blogger the editor listened to and banned Regular?
This is the SHINING EXAMPLE OF THE DEMOCRATS?