Open thread 10/23

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  1. Posted October 23, 2009 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    Here’s to a day of lively debate without rancor!

  2. george
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Obama dropping like a rock in the polls. No wonder he has no experience.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html#

  3. Posted October 23, 2009 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Not so rosy for the Republicans. either:

    “Republicans win a favorable/unfavorable rating only in the South, 48 percent to 37 percent. In the West, the party is upside down 12 percent to 75 percent; in the Midwest, 10 percent to 78 percent; and in the Northeast, only 6 percent view the GOP favorably, against 87 percent unfavorably.” CNN

    In fact, with numbers like the Rs are sporting, the President’s mid-50% approval polling is absolutely shiny!

  4. Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    From the always fun http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/

    “Dick Armey
    Freedom Works

    Dear Mr. Armey,

    Mike Gressett’s story isn’t being discussed in the national debate over health care. I think it should be. Here’s a hard-case Contra Costa county prosecutor who gets a little lonely and ask another prosecutor to lie with him as a man lies with a woman. She’s ok with that until he handcuffs her and puts a gun to her head. Now, thanks to the nomeansomunistofascists, he’s been charged with rape.

    I’d like to think that it all could have been avoided if the lady had been more aware of men’shealth issues. Had she known that guns are “the patriot’s Viagra,” she might not have said “no.”

    If we’re going to get a health care bill anyway, we should be working to get a second amendment provision of erectile dys…erectile dysf…boner socialism. Health insurers should pay for firearm hardening therapy. And there should be a government initiative to explain the problem to women and maybe a tax break or some other incentive for those who will lie down with patriots.

    The classes shouldn’t cost much. All you’ll need is a disco ball, a few saturday night specials, and a Chuck Norris, Texas Ranger poster. Oh, and nunchucks

    Heterosexually yours,

    Gen. JC Christian, patriot”

  5. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Congrats to the bloggers who turned yesterday’s open thread into a cesspool.

  6. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    It was an interesting debate last night between BJ and WS Clark.

    They are proud to be Liberal Democrats!

    (Currently there is an Echo Debate still raging on the 10/22 Open topic.)

  7. lindainks55
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    “This is like deja vu all over again.”
    – Yogi Berra

  8. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:36 am | Permalink
    Congrats to the bloggers who turned yesterday’s open thread into a cesspool.
    ===================================

    A summary;

    “Oh yeah? Meet me at the water tower after school, btich!!!”

    Classy.

  9. sursum
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    A friend of mine just e-mailed to say her daughter had delivered a baby last night in Vancouver, and it was girl to everyone’s surprise and delight. Suprise?? It seems that British Columbia has so many south and east Asians immigrants who have brought over the practice of aborting females that the Goevernment had to make it illegal to tell the parents of the sex when the ultrasound is done. Maybe there is more to this abortion on demand we never think about, it’s just not all freedom for females to make decisions about their own bodies after all. Maybe it’s a very expensive, barbaric and cruel form of birth control. Up until now I was fence sitter, now I’m not sure about that perch anymore.

  10. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 8:50 am | Permalink
    XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:36 am | Permalink
    Congrats to the bloggers who turned yesterday’s open thread into a cesspool.
    ===================================

    A summary;

    “Oh yeah? Meet me at the water tower after school, btich!!!”

    Classy.
    _______________________________

    I’m amazed to see adults act that way. One of the bloggers is a constant trouble maker and should be banned.

    Or someone needs to take him up on a meetup request and “settle his hash”.

  11. Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Some good news, my fellow Americans:

    Oil Holds Above $81 as Global Economy Recovers

    September Existing Home Sales Rebound to 2 – Year High

    Home Sales Rise 9.4 Percent in September

  12. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Fox News

    The Obama administration on Thursday tried to make “pay czar” Kenneth Feinberg available for interviews to every member of the White House pool except Fox News. But the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.

    —————–
    The Fourth Estate hangs together…

  13. lindainks55
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    More good news — In 19 of the last 22 years Congress has failed to pass a funding bill for VA benefits on time — so today President Obama signed a bill funding veteran’s benefits one full year in advance. At least some part of our population has health-care reform!

    It’s step one. :-)

  14. Phantom
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Obama tackling repubs screw ups,
    “New bill on “too big to fail” fix seen Monday
    The administration plans to send Congress on Monday new draft legislation that would give the government authority to dismantle large financial companies that get into crises, U.S. Representative Barney Frank said on Friday.

  15. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    The administration plans to send Congress on Monday new draft legislation that would give the government authority to dismantle large financial companies that get into crises
    —————————
    The ‘Barney Frank’ that said there is nothing wrong with Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae ‘Barney Frank’?

    That ‘Barnie Frank’ Phantom?

    Just checking…

  16. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    McCain’s bill, the Internet Freedom Act, seeks to do the opposite of what its name implies by ensuring that broadband and wireless providers can discriminate and throttle certain traffic while giving preferential treatment to other traffic. Basically, those in power or those who pay more will have better access. Apparently we have different definitions of ‘freedom’.
    http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/174221/mccain_moves_to_block_fcc_net_neutrality.html
    _________________________________

    This clown doesn’t know the difference between a mouse and a modem. Why is he sponsoring law that affects the internet?

    Another example of a crooked pol bought and paid for.

  17. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:19 am | Permalink
    Some good news, my fellow Americans:

    Oil Holds Above $81 as Global Economy Recovers

    September Existing Home Sales Rebound to 2 – Year High

    Home Sales Rise 9.4 Percent in September
    __________________________________

    I really appreciated the 25 cent jump at the gas pump…..

  18. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    McCain is a jackass, pure and simple.

  19. Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    McCain’s bill would allow the equivalent of Verizon making calls made to ATT phones full of static and hard to hear.

    Another example of putting corporations first ahead of citizens.

  20. littlejohn
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    I don;t see any objection to the net neutrality act exept for one. Where does the authority for the FCC to regulate the internet come from?

  21. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    McCain’s bill, the Internet Freedom Act – Basically, those in power or those who pay more will have better access. Apparently we have different definitions of ‘freedom’.
    =======================

    •”ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS”
    - George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10

  22. Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 as the successor to the Federal Radio Commission and is charged with regulating all non-federal government use of the radio spectrum (including radio and television broadcasting), and all interstate telecommunications (wire, satellite and cable) as well as all international communications that originate or terminate in the United States wiki

    “all interstate telecommunications”

  23. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Another example of putting corporations first ahead of citizens.
    ==============================

    More so it’s an example of more government control.

    Just more meddling in the lives of the citizens by the government.

  24. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    •”ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS”
    - George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10
    =================================

    Damn pigs!

  25. Nathaniel
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    LOL

    I guess it is nice to see that you guys on the left are finally seeing BlueJay for what he is.

    I guess he isn’t your little pet project on the blog anymore…

  26. george
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    What happens to the doctors, under ObamaCare?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204731804574389063088071796.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r2:c0.169887:b28473285

  27. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    On this Date, Oct 23rd

    1775 Continental Congress approves resolution barring blacks from army
    1915 25,000 women march in NYC, demanding right to vote
    1946 UN General Assembly 2nd session convenes (1st NYC) (Flushing Meadows)
    1983 Suicide terrorist truck bomb kills 243 US personnel in Beirut
    1987 – Thirteen cities in the southeastern U.S. reported record low temperatures for the date. It marked the sixth record low of the month for Greer SC and Columbia SC, and the ninth of the month for Montgomery AL. Showers and thunderstorms deluged Corpus Christi TX with five inches of rain. Winnemucca NV reported their first measurable rain in ninety-two days, while Yakima WA reported a record 96 days in a row without measurable rainfall. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary)
    1988 – Denver, CO, reported their first freeze of the autumn, and Chicago, IL, reported their first snow. In Texas, afternoon highs of 93 degrees at Austin and San Antonio were records for the date. (The National Weather Summary)

    On Lawyers
    To succeed in other trades, capacity must be shown; in the law, concealment of it will do.
    - Following the Equator, Mark Twain

    Odd Facts

    New York State- It is illegal to shoot a rabbit from a trolley car.

    Hartford, Connecticut- It is illegal to plant a tree in the street.

    Joke of the Day

    The photographer for a national magazine was assigned to get photos of a great forest fire. Smoke at the scene was too thick to get any good shots, so he frantically called his home office to hire a plane. “It will be waiting for you at the airport!” he was assured by his editor. As soon as he got to the small, rural airport, sure enough, a plane was warming up near the runway. He jumped in with his equipment and yelled, “Let’s go! Let’s go!” The pilot swung the plane into the wind and soon they were in the air. “Fly over the north side of the fire,” said the photographer, “and make three or four low level passes.” “Why?” asked the pilot. “Because I’m going to take pictures! I’m a photographer, and photographers take pictures!” said the photographer with great exasperation. After a long pause the pilot said, “You mean you’re not the instructor?”

  28. minutelady
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    #
    Nathaniel
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    LOL

    I guess it is nice to see that you guys on the left are finally seeing BlueJay for what he is.

    I guess he isn’t your little pet project on the blog anymore…
    _________________________________________

    It would appear the pet Yorkie is being kicked off the liberal porch. He’ll be chained to the tree in the back yard.

  29. Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    WS Clark speaks for “the left”?

    News to me.

  30. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Damn, I thought the BlueJay was shewed away…

  31. Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    By Clark? Don’t think so.

  32. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:08 am | Permalink
    LOL
    I guess it is nice to see that you guys on the left are finally seeing BlueJay for what he is.
    I guess he isn’t your little pet project on the blog anymore…
    ======================================================

    Oh I bet they wind up standing by BJ.

  33. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    44,000: The Bogus Death Statistic That Won’t Die

    Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson unveiled a new website entitled “namesofthedead.com” in memory of the “more than 44,000 Americans [who] die simply because they have no health insurance.”

    Just one problem: The statistic is a phantom number. Grayson’s memorial, like the Democrats’ government health care takeover plan itself, is full of vapor. It comes from a study published this year in the American Journal of Public Health. But the science is infused with left-wing politics.

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    Two of the co-authors, Drs. David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler, are avowed government-run health care activists. Himmelstein co-founded Physicians for a National Health Program, which bills itself as “the only national physician organization in the United States dedicated exclusively to implementing a single-payer national health program.” Woolhandler is a co-founder and served as secretary of the group.

    Sounding more like a MoveOn.org organizer than a disinterested scientist, Woolhandler assailed the current health reform legislation in Congress for not going far enough: “Politicians are protecting insurance industry profits by sacrificing American lives.”

    How did these political doctors come up with the 44,000 figure?

    They used data from a health survey conducted between 1988 and 1994. The questionnaires asked a sample of 9,000 participants whether they were insured and how they rated their own health. The federal Centers for Disease Control tracked the deaths of people in the sample group through the year 2000.

    Himmelstein, Woolhandler and company then crunched the numbers and attributed deaths to lack of health insurance for all the participants who initially self-reported that they had no insurance and then died for any reason over the 12-year tracking period.

    At no time did the original researchers or the single-payer activists who piggy-backed off their data ever verify whether the supposed casualties of America’s callous health care system had insurance or not.

    In fact, here is what the report actually says:

    Himmelstein et al. simply assumed that point-in-time uninsurance translates into perpetual uninsurance—and that any health calamities that result can and must be blamed on being uninsured.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55978

  34. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:47 am | Permalink
    DavidB
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:19 am | Permalink
    Some good news, my fellow Americans:
    Oil Holds Above $81 as Global Economy Recovers
    September Existing Home Sales Rebound to 2 – Year High
    Home Sales Rise 9.4 Percent in September
    __________________________________
    I really appreciated the 25 cent jump at the gas pump…..
    ======================================================

    Gosh, where is that cheap Green alternative energy Obama promised?

    Global Warming Alarmists should love higher oil prices. $6/gal gasoline will make their $5/gal equivalent electric cars look good!

  35. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 9:25 am | Permalink
    White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview
    Fox News
    The Obama administration on Thursday tried to make “pay czar” Kenneth Feinberg available for interviews to every member of the White House pool except Fox News. But the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.
    —————–
    The Fourth Estate hangs together…
    ================================================================

    Some of the press realizes how the 1st Amendment is threatened when Obama directs an attack against one part of the press.

    Not only did Obama attack Fox, but he called for the Favored Press to gang-up on Fox as well.

    Obama’s a Crybaby complaining about Fox.

    And Obama’s a Wimp calling for others to help him attack Fox, cause he can’t stand on his own.

  36. Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Former Alaska governor has endorsed a Conservative party candidate over the Republican nominee in a special House election in upstate New York.

    She has bitten the hand that fed her.

  37. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    “Congrats to the bloggers who turned yesterday’s open thread into a cesspool.”

    I’m far from perfect, but if bloggers from both sides of the fence would stop feeding the wild animals, I’m sure they would seek attention elsewhere. It’s hard to resist sometimes. Last night I let him get to me, so I added to the crap in the cesspool.

    But at least I try to be good once in awhile and stick to posting on topics and not people.

  38. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Not sure how to take this one, but it’s something to think about.

    “Abortion kills more black Americans than the seven leading causes of death combined, according to data collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for 2005, the latest year for which the abortion numbers are available.

    Abortion killed at least 203,991 blacks in the 36 states and two cities (New York City and the District of Columbia) that reported abortions by race in 2005, according to the CDC. During that same year, according to the CDC, a total of 198,385 blacks nationwide died from heart disease, cancer, strokes, accidents, diabetes, homicide, and chronic lower respiratory diseases combined. ”

    Killed? Or died of natural causes? Since they weren’t life to begin with – what business was it of the federal governments CDC to be looking?

  39. Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2009/10/22/PH2009102204759.jpg

    them wax figures are really something…

  40. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    george
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 10:10 am | Permalink
    What happens to the doctors, under ObamaCare?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204731804574389063088071796.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r2:c0.169887:b28473285
    ================================================

    Doctor Shortage is Here Now, And Getting Worse

    http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/content/92871/topic/WS_HLM2_MAG/Will-There-Be-Enough-Doctors.html

    The timing really could not be worse. One out of three practicing physicians in the United States is over the age of 55, and many of them are expected to retire in the next 10 or 15 years. Meanwhile, U.S. medical schools have not provided for the loss of 33 percent of the nation’s physician work force. A number of studies have estimated that by 2020 the United States will be short anywhere from 24,000 to 200,000 physicians. Additionally, some anecdotal evidence suggests that younger physicians are not willing to put their lives on hold and work 80-hour weeks that include weekends, nights and emergency department on-call duty like their elders—which means it may take two younger physicians to cover the work of one retiring physician.

  41. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    I think it’s high time that this particular item be challenged in the supreme court:

    “If it is the Speaker’s [Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) ] belief that there is a provision in the Constitution that does give Congress this power, does she believe the Constitution in any way limits the goods and services Congress can force an individual to purchase?” CNSNews.com asked. “If so, what is that limit?”

    Elshami responded by sending CNSNews.com a Sept. 16 press release from the Speaker’s office entitled, “Health Insurance Reform, Daily Mythbuster: ‘Constitutionality of Health Insurance Reform.’” The press release states that Congress has “broad power to regulate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. Congress has used this authority to regulate many aspects of American life, from labor relations to education to health care to agricultural production.”

    I think it’s a stretch. Interstate commerce seems to mean: regulating the personal lives of all aspects of Americans.

  42. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    “them wax figures are really something…”

    DavidB, you don’t have to be ashamed of admiring Sarah Palin. She is a beautiful woman as well as a strong one.

    Your party used to embrace inclusiveness.

  43. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    “them wax figures are really something…”

    DavidB, you don’t have to be ashamed of admiring Sarah Palin. She is a beautiful woman as well as a strong one.

    Your party used to embrace inclusiveness.

  44. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    “them wax figures are really something…”

    DavidB, you don’t have to be ashamed of admiring Sarah Palin. She is a beautiful woman as well as a strong one.

    Your party used to embrace inclusiveness.

  45. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) told CNSNews.com that after reviewing the Memorandum of Agreements between Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and state and local law enforcement agencies in 23 states, the only agency to lose its authority under the 287(g) program to operate task forces that can enforce federal immigration laws is the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office.

    Why?

  46. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    And it’s a triple with bases loaded! :D

  47. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Finally, others are standing up to the hitler tactics of the Obama White House. Finally, the Chicago style politics attempting to silence the opposition have been seen for exactly what they are:

    On Thursday, in a move that even Fox News’s competitors rejected, the Obama White House tried to freeze Fox News out of an interview with White House pay czar Kenneth Feinberg.

    The White House said Feinberg would give interviews to members of the White House TV pool – with the exception of Fox News. The other members of the cost-sharing pool – CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS — objected.

    “The Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV news networks consulted and decided that none of them would interview Feinberg unless Fox was included – and the administration relented, making Feinberg available to all five pool members and Bloomberg TV,” Fox News correspondent James Rosen reported.

  48. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    “And it’s a triple ”

    Sorry, I didn’t do that intentionally. In fact, I had no indication on my screen that the post was repetitious.

    Again. I apologize.

  49. Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Oh no, not Hitler again!

  50. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    “I really appreciated the 25 cent jump at the gas pump…..”

    So do I!

    It makes the payback period on brand spankin new Toyota Prius IV all the faster (51 MPG count them!)

    Plus – better than any government regulation or interference, the high price discourages consumption.

    Looking forward to $5.00 a gallon. Bring it on.

  51. cosmos_originally
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    American_Way posted October 23, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Sorry, I didn’t do that intentionally.
    —————–

    American_Way has ingested too much trans fat.

  52. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    “I really appreciated the 25 cent jump at the gas pump…..”

    And just wait for Cap & Tax baby!!!

    A program which promises to increase the prices on every thing Americans buy.

    Won’t hurt me so badly. But the little guy? I think much more so.

  53. okobserver
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Cking in from time to time I’m not sorry to say I missed yesterdays meltdown.

    I see Linda is still spreading her message of ‘hope and change’ and how the repubs are keeping poor Obama from doing his duty.

    I just had to share this quote from Obama’s college thesis. From the first 10 pages which were all he would allow to be released.

    “… the Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy.”

    The constitution is flawed according to him. So called founders – the arrogant ‘one’ opines. Political freedom isn’t as important as redistribution the wealth.

    Anyone who reads this and doesn’t see this man for who he is then they are just too far gone to be helped and we can thank God that not all democrats are that stupid.

    Have a great one.

  54. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Cosmos you have consumed too many dying stars or red giants.

    Obviously your gravity is getting too big for your galaxy.

  55. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    “Oh no, not Hitler again!”

    That’s right DavidB. Continue to confirm that liberal posters attack the poster or simply the message presentation and never address the subject matter being discussed.

    How about a comment on the other news services standing up to the White House? Hmmmm?

    How about a comment on the other news services not being afraid to rebuff the white house?

    Party got your tongue?

  56. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink
    “I really appreciated the 25 cent jump at the gas pump…..”

    So do I!

    It makes the payback period on brand spankin new Toyota Prius IV all the faster (51 MPG count them!)

    Plus – better than any government regulation or interference, the high price discourages consumption.

    Looking forward to $5.00 a gallon. Bring it on.
    _____________________________

    I heard a good joke about that the other night:

    What is the noise a prius makes as it drives by?

    iiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmmggggggggaaaaaaayyyyyyyy

  57. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Doctor Shortage is Here Now, And Getting Worse

    And it will get even worse when Obamacare tells them they will be reimbursed even lower amounts for the goods and services doctors provide.

    Imagine your standard rate for an office call is $20.00. This is based upon your overhead costs (office, supplies,nurses, receptionist, etc.etc..).

    Then the gubermint comes along and says that for THEIR medicare patients they will only pay you $15.00. Then, under OBamacare, they will only pay you $10.00.

    How long would you be able to stay in business and suupport the going concern?

    Would you continue to raise the rates on ALL YOUR OTHER patients to make up for the lower payments from the federal government?

    And wonder why healthcare costs for the rest of us keep escalating.

  58. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    XXX writes
    I heard a good joke about that the other night:

    What is the noise a prius makes as it drives by?

    iiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmmggggggggaaaaaaayyyyyyyy
    ———————-

    You only hear that sound if you are sitting in a gas station filling up your gas hog. :)

  59. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    O.K. XXX, but I’m a 6.3 boxy big old guy with a crewcut, and a wife.

    I also walk the Yorkshire Terrier “Bitsy” around the block.

    I draw the line at drinking fu-fu drinks. Strictly a beer from the bottle sorta guy.

  60. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    “sitting in a gas station”

    As I drive on by!!!!!!

    (tortise and the hare sorta thing.)

  61. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
    “Doctor Shortage is Here Now, And Getting Worse”

    And it will get even worse when Obamacare tells them they will be reimbursed even lower amounts for the goods and services doctors provide.
    ==========================================

    Combine pay cuts with tax increases, and you’ll see a good share of those doctors close to retirement retiring early.

    Remember, 1/3 of American doctors are over age 55.

    If you had your pay cut and your taxes increased, would you keep working if you were in a position to retire? He11 no!

  62. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Free PRESS – 1
    White House – 0

    The pushback came after White House senior adviser David Axelrod told ABC News’ “This Week” on Sunday that Fox News is not a real news organization and other news networks “ought not to treat them that way.”

    White House loses bid to manipulate other news networks into isolating and excluding Fox News from interview with ‘pay czar’ Kenneth Feinberg, as criticism of administration’s hardball tactics increases.

    ————-
    Yeah, it’s worth a repeat.

  63. Raptor
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    this unfounded claim of thousands dying because of a lack of health insurance makes absolutely no sense. Does the reverse of that claim say that if everyone had health insurance, then nobody would die?

    Ted Kennedy had millions plus the best health insurance available anywhere on the planet, yet he died.

  64. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    “Combine pay cuts with tax increases, and you’ll see a good share of those doctors close to retirement retiring early.”

    Coupled with higher patient loads: More patients.

    When you are like me in your 50 something, you don’t need more patients. You need more time fishing.

  65. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Pelosi ‘Public Option’ Lacks VotesHouse Speaker reportedly lacks support to pass ‘robust public option,’ the most far-reaching that Dems are mulling

    =================================================

    Who the Democrats gonna blame when they fail to pass Obamacare with a public option?

  66. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Permalink
    “Combine pay cuts with tax increases, and you’ll see a good share of those doctors close to retirement retiring early.”

    Coupled with higher patient loads: More patients.

    When you are like me in your 50 something, you don’t need more patients. You need more time fishing.
    ============================================

    Right! The Triple Whammy!

    1. Cut your pay.

    2. Work longer hours.

    3. Pay higher taxes.

    What a deal!

    In the near future, retirement home prices in AZ and FL will be rising rapidly, as doctors retire in droves.

  67. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Who the Democrats gonna blame when they fail to pass Obamacare with a public option?

    Who else would they blame? Those devil Republicans!

    Was a good viewing last night by Greta on Fox News, about the public option insurance in Maine.

    Evidently, it was to insure 100,000 plus individuals.

    After a few years, it is down to 10,000 people and going bankrupt.

    There’s your public option – in Maine – going Bankrupt.

  68. Heckler
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Where Great Brittain used to be, an island nation where guns are banned for all practical purposes-

    “Armed officers placed on routine foot patrol for first time
    Police officers armed with submachine guns are to be deployed on routine patrol of Britain’s streets for the first time.”

    Why? Out of control gun crime by gangs.

    ” A hand-picked team from CO19, the Metropolitan Police’s elite firearms unit, will walk the beat in gun crime hotspots where armed gangs have turned entire estates into “no go” zones. ”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6407137/Armed-officers-placed-on-routine-foot-patrol-for-first-time.html

    Predicted. By many.

    Epic FAIL of illogical policies.

  69. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Gates Encounters Allies in WaitDefense secretary presses NATO to commit troops to Afghan War — but most are waiting for Obama

    Gates Encounters Allies in WaitDefense secretary presses NATO to commit troops to Afghan War — but most are waiting for Obama

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/10/23/mcchrystal-brief-nato-defense-ministers-afghan-war/

    ========================================

    The world waits for Obama to make a decision.

    Meanwhile, American soldiers continue to die.

  70. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Oddly enough, a school mate of mine from High School is an Orthopedic surgeon retired this spring. I say odd, is because we both had a stroke in the same month (last year). Also, heard of another classmate, having a stroke the month afterwards.

    Serendipity, but odd imo.

    He mentioned that the load in his area of practice was just too stressing as the number of cases seem to increasing with no new recruits (Doctors) coming down the pike.

    The Baby Boomers comprise a large portion of the population and statistically, the professional end of all occupation are going to start to dwindle.

  71. Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    “American_Way” defends his triple post –

    “Sorry, I didn’t do that intentionally. In fact, I had no indication on my screen that the post was repetitious.”

    That tends happen to you — and almost only you — frequently.

    You either have the attention span of a salamander or a severely infirm computer.

  72. Heckler
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Regular.

    Someone also did a piece on TENNcare in Tennesee. Not a good outcome. As many predicted.

    Same thing will happen with a national “public option”. Individuals and companys drop coverage for .gov option. Overload and bankrupt the system.

  73. JMWalker
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    More paranoia from the king of the wet eye, Glen, I never met a tear I couldn’t outdo, Beck:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUfOd27c4q4&feature=player_embedded

  74. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
    “American_Way” defends his triple post –

    “Sorry, I didn’t do that intentionally. In fact, I had no indication on my screen that the post was repetitious.”

    That tends happen to you — and almost only you — frequently.

    You either have the attention span of a salamander or a severely infirm computer.

    ============================

    Thank God for the Blog Mommy who points out all technical posting errors and grammar mistakes.

  75. JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Hope you stay healthy Regular.

    I know one retiring doctor who is concerned about finding a doctor for himself.

    Retiring doctors are very aware of the worsening shortage, and the impact that will have as the boomers retire and enter the years in which they will require more health care.

    Cutting doctor pay, increasing their workload, and raising their taxes will only make this bad situation worse.

  76. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Thank God for the Blog Mommy who points out all technical posting errors and grammar mistakes.

    I think he should be called the ‘Blog Nanny’; complete with mid-calf dress, high-pitched Julia Child type voice, sweater and boxy-looking comfort shoes.

  77. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:35 pm | Permalink
    Hope you stay healthy Regular.
    —————
    So far, so good – with the help of a $250 dollar per bottle of anti-stroke pills. :)

  78. Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    “if everyone had health insurance, then nobody would die?”
    I do appreciate thinkers of deep thoughts…

  79. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    “Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren’t able to practice their love with women all across this country.” —President George W. Bush

  80. Heckler
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    DavidB missed the point. Again.

  81. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.
    – Al Gore (Interview with Wolf Blitzer)

    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

  82. Phinatic
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Bush has a way with words. timeless.

  83. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
    O.K. XXX, but I’m a 6.3 boxy big old guy with a crewcut, and a wife.

    I also walk the Yorkshire Terrier “Bitsy” around the block.

    I draw the line at drinking fu-fu drinks. Strictly a beer from the bottle sorta guy.
    _____________________________

    Easy, Amway. Wasn’t aimed at you; just a joke I heard on TV.

    The thing with the yorkie worries me…..

  84. Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” opines –

    “I think he should be called the ‘Blog Nanny’; complete with mid-calf dress, high-pitched Julia Child type voice, sweater and boxy-looking comfort shoes.”

    Ooh!

    Comfy shoes!

    All the better for you to frog-march me into an empty field and put a bullet in my skull.

  85. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    …and put a bullet in my skull..
    ==================================

    The real tragedy is that the bullet will be all alone.

  86. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Sorry MonkeyHock, you already raised your own gun to your own head many years ago when you adopted the philosophy you have and employ it on others.

    You stench of divisiveness stays in the room long after you leave.

  87. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    You = Your

  88. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
    …and put a bullet in my skull..
    ==================================

    The real tragedy is that the bullet will be all alone.
    _________________________

    ROTFLMFAO!!!

  89. littlejohn
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    guys-
    Can we stop with the bullet in the head nonsense?

    If you don;t mean it, then just stand the floor up. :)

    If you do, you need serious help.

  90. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    littlejohn
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Permalink
    guys-
    Can we stop with the bullet in the head nonsense?

    If you don;t mean it, then just stand the floor up. :)

    If you do, you need serious help.
    —————-
    I’m not the one bringing it up over and over.

    You need to address that to MonkeyHock, who constantly tries to stir up and agitate other posters.

  91. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    You need to address that to MonkeyHock, who constantly tries to stir up and agitate other posters.
    _______________________________

    BREAKING NEWS

    POT CALLS KETTLE BLACK

  92. littlejohn
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    and you, Regular, made the statement. Why don;t you apologize, and why don;t you, “MonkeyHawk” let it go. Of course, you Both would seem to rather antagonize the other. SO, why not just share emails, pick at each other all day long, and leave the rest out of “hearing” it.

  93. Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” whines –

    “I’m not the one bringing it up over and over.”

    No.

    You’re the one who brought it up in the first place.

    Remember?

    Well, perhaps not.

    You claim you’ve forgotten I was the first one to urge you to call 9-1-1 as you were experiencing your stroke.

    Maybe your $250-dollar-a-bottle drug habit isn’t working for you anymore.

    You’re failing to keep the tencil on the toad.

  94. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Skitt’s Law

    Expressed as “any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself” or “the likelihood of an error in a post is directly proportional to the embarrassment it will cause the poster.”
    ____________________________

    How fitting…..

  95. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    littlejohn
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
    and you, Regular, made the statement. Why don;t you apologize, and why don;t you, “MonkeyHawk” let it go. Of course, you Both would seem to rather antagonize the other. SO, why not just share emails, pick at each other all day long, and leave the rest out of “hearing” it.
    =====================
    I’ve tried that before – with all of them. Take WSClark for example. I apologized to him several times, but when he gets in a pissy mood, it starts all over once again.

    If you haven’t noticed, a current theme with progressive/leftists/liberal bloggers is that they can’t stay on the current topic. With a few exceptions, the Lib bloggers don’t stay on topic or within what is expected of mature discussion.

    The first thing out of their blog mouths is “Bush, Bush, Bush, Cheney, Cheney, Cheney.”

    Of course, if that doesn’t work, then they go back like MonkeyHock and repeat the ‘frog march or tencil’ mantra. Not once, but on a daily basis, sometimes mulitple times a day.

    You know who they are: BlueJay, CapnAmerica, WSClark, MonkeyHock who repeat their irrelevant tactics just to inflame.

    Then there are the Lib posters that start every reply to me as “troll.” Nothing intelligent to discuss, they start it with “troll” and it goes downhill after that.

    When the Libs (and as I said, not all of them) start to discuss maturely, then maybe we can get somewhere.

    Yeah, two wrongs don’t make a right, but getting blasted with it daily gets old.

    Ben and I had a good discussion this morning, if all Libs discussed topics like that, it would be much better.

    Some Libs only come on this blog to agitate, that’s their sole purpose.

    I started out cool on this blog, but the constant name calling from people like WSClark, CapnAmerica, Steven Davis and others gets old.

    I will knock their ‘dick in the dirt’ if I get pushed.

  96. libdave
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Regular, if you didn’t often act the part of troll, we might not refere to you as such. As far as trying to inflame, you sir have done your fair share. As for the Bush/Cheney b.s., the conseratives on this blog did a good deal of blaming Clinton for many years into the Bush administration. As for your threat to knock their ‘dick in the dirt’ , big talk from a little man on the blog.

  97. sursum
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    heckler: Did you read the article? 18 policemen in a country of 66 million and a city of 8 million will patrol out of control estates in 3 different parts of London. It’s been done before on an ad hoc basis (Nottingham 2000) but the ethos is not being armed for the bobbies and the people want and will keep it that way. When the the estate are in order they will/do revert to using a nightstick only. The article also says the reason the UK has such low crime/murder stats is because there so few guns. The Telegraph is another Murdoch enterprise given to headlines which misdirects the intent of the policy. Think Fox.

  98. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    libdave
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
    Regular, if you didn’t often act the part of troll, we might not refere to you as such. As far as trying to inflame, you sir have done your fair share. As for the Bush/Cheney b.s., the conseratives on this blog did a good deal of blaming Clinton for many years into the Bush administration. As for your threat to knock their ‘dick in the dirt’ , big talk from a little man on the blog.
    —————-
    Yes indeed, I have stood up and used the same tactics as the leftists on this blog. They are not liking it.

    Here’s the deal – They stop – I stop.

    Actually, I voted for Bill Clinton. I’d vote for him again if he was eligible. I think he’s personally irresponsible in his extracurricular activities, but like him as a savvy leader. The combination of a Republican Congress and Clinton made a good pair.

  99. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I will knock their ‘dick in the dirt’ if I get pushed.
    _______________________

    Is your knocker broke?

    Reg, you’re such a card.

  100. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    The wrath of Regular, LOL, LOL!

  101. Daniel
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I’ve tried that before – with all of them.
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    So you apologized to Monkeyhawk for making the ‘bullet in the head in an empty field’ remark?

  102. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
    The wrath of Regular, LOL, LOL!
    ——————-
    Meaning?

    Or was your comment just another meaningless taunt.

    Having a spine injury and legs that don’t work very well, doesn’t make me stand down, sorry XXX – I’m not that way.

  103. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Daniel
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I’ve tried that before – with all of them.
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    So you apologized to Monkeyhawk for making the ‘bullet in the head in an empty field’ remark?
    ————
    Yes

  104. Daniel
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    #
    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I will knock their ‘dick in the dirt’ if I get pushed.
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    When you make stoopid comments like this, I just end up wanting to mess with you when I probably wouldn’t even want to bother, otherwise.

  105. Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Poor ol’ “Regular” goes “all Cronkite” (as the kids say it) –

    “I will knock their ‘dick in the dirt’ if I get pushed.”

    As I recall, “Regular” and I had a fairly decent debate going on a couple of weeks ago. It was kind of refreshing until I pointed out the contradictory illogical aspects of his opinion.

    That was about the time “Regular” described his “perfect world” as a place where he could frog-march me into an empty field and put a bullet in my skull. So much for rapprochement with WE Blog CONs.

    I systematically refer to other WE Bloggers by their chosen nyms. Ol’ “Regular” often resorts to name-calling. I’m the little boy in the crowd who notices WE Blog CONs’ “emperor” has no clothes. (And thinking of “Regular” with no clothes disgusts most of us.) So WE Blog CONs hate me.

    That hurts me so.

    I can’t tell you how much it hurts me.

    I can’t tell you because, y’know, it doesn’t bother me in the least.

    Yeah, I’m guilty of “pushing” ol’ “Regular” from time to time.

    Getting my dick in the dirt is a fair compromise from being frog-marched into an empty field and having him put a bullet in my skull. Even if I’m wearing comfy shoes.

  106. Daniel
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    #
    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Yes
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Fair enough….good on you.

  107. Pleefer
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    2.3 hours of empowerment:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8LPNRI_6T8&feature=player_embedded

  108. Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    I must’ve missed ol’ “Regular’s” apology.

    Anyone have a cite?

  109. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    I systematically refer to other WE Bloggers by their chosen nyms.

    You constantly refer to my homonym problem. Why are you hurt?

  110. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
    I must’ve missed ol’ “Regular’s” apology.

    Anyone have a cite?
    —————
    Here it is again, in case you missed it.

    I’m sorry for the comment, it was inappropriate and out of line.

    Not that the repeated apology will do any good.

  111. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I will knock their ‘dick in the dirt’ if I get pushed.
    ===================================

    You will need to turn Monkeyhawk inside out to achieve your goal.

  112. XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
    XXX
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
    The wrath of Regular, LOL, LOL!
    ——————-
    Meaning?

    Or was your comment just another meaningless taunt.

    Having a spine injury and legs that don’t work very well, doesn’t make me stand down, sorry XXX – I’m not that way.
    _____________________________________

    WOOSH!!!!!!

  113. Phantom
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Repub favorability ratings lowest in 25 yrs. and yet their gracious enought to fret over Obama falling to 50%.

  114. ANTI
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Phantom:

    Barack Obama sees worst poll rating drop in 50 years

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6409721/Barack-Obama-sees-worst-poll-rating-drop-in-50-years.html#

  115. Posted October 23, 2009 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” submits –

    “I’m sorry for the comment, it was inappropriate and out of line.”

    I asked for a cite.

    Have any evidence you posted that prior to October 23, 2009 at 3:13 pm?

    I’d love to see it.

    I’d accept today’s apology if you can.

    If you can’t, I’ll dance on your wussiness.

    Then all I’ll have is your “…dick in the dirt…” promise.

    Such a loss. Such a loss.

    How much of your $250-dollar-a-bottle drug addiction is financed by taxpayers, “Regular?”

  116. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Sorry MonkeyHawk,

    If you can’t accept an apology without conditions or qualifying your remarks with more of your weasel words, then you are unworthy of any preceding or succeeding apologies.

    I do not cadge.

  117. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    succeeding = successive

  118. Posted October 23, 2009 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, “Regular” –

    But I did originally ask for a cite.

    You claimed you did.

    I admitted I may have missed it.

    I asked for a cite.

    You got stuck in a corner and apologized.

    I accept your apology.

    I accept you were being vitriolic and were out of your mind.

    Yeah, it was “inappropriate.”

    It was also — given reality — irrational.

    From my perspective here in the real world, your fantasy was irrational.

    But I’ve come to expect that from you.

  119. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Hey everyone. Has anyone seen a pair of wings? I left them somewhere along with a halo.

  120. Posted October 23, 2009 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    A new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released on Friday provides some unwelcome news for the shrinking Republican Party. According to the results, only 36 percent of people polled view the Republicans positively with an astounding majority of 54 percent holding an unfavorable view.
    The low favorable number is the lowest it has been in over a decade, since 1998, when their numbers had sunk to 31 percent favorable and 57 percent unfavorable.
    However, the Democratic Party continues to enjoy high favorable numbers. Among those polled, 53 percent held favorable views of the Democrats with 41 percent expressing a negative response.
    CNN Polling Director Keating Holland explained the GOP’s low favorable ratings, as a result of a negative and lasting impression from the failed Bush presidency and Republican obstructionism towards the Obama administration.

  121. Posted October 23, 2009 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Poor Barak- Stuck with mid 50’s approval ratings!! whhhahhahahahha

  122. Phantom
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Their unfavorable is higher than dems favorable, they need the waaaaambulance!

  123. Phantom
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    53%, bush’d call’d that a Mandate!

  124. Phantom
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s had to make some historic decisions to get us out of the worst crisis in the last 75 yrs., so the sharpest drop in 50 yrs. ain’t so bad.

  125. lindainks55
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    The Republican Party continues to enjoy approval only in a small region with too few electoral votes to be relevant at the national level. The bickering within the party and accusations that the party is becoming ‘too liberal’ makes for some fine entertainment!

  126. lindainks55
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Since new poll numbers show 35 percent of the Republican Party base voters think the party is too liberal, even as 46 percent of independent voters label it too conservative, it will be even more interesting to see the base nominate someone who may attract independent voters.

    They seem to be between a rock and a hard place in pleasing both! :-)

  127. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Actually, lindainks, the electoral college voting region in 2008 isn’t very small at all. In fact, it’s the majority, geographically speaking of the United States.

    You can look here:
    http://www.270towin.com/

    The problem for Republicans is that the Democrats haven’t taken the heavier populated states which have more electoral votes.

    For Congress and other elections, the map shows about the same, but breaks it down in strengths of party by state.

    http://electoral-vote.com/

  128. lindainks55
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Obama 365
    McCain 173

    Dem pickups (vs. 2004): CO FL IN IA NV NM NC OH VA

    GOP pickups (vs. 2004): (None)

  129. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a NYT map that breaks it down even further.
    http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/congress/house.html

    You can click on it for more information.

  130. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    If you click on that last map:
    http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/congress/house.html

    and then the Florida region, you will find that Democrats and Republicans are evenly divided, with the majority going to Republicans.

    However, the state of Florida went Democratic in the Presidential election.

    Not everything is as straight forward as it seems sometimes.

  131. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    With that same map, New Mexico is even tighter percentage wise, with 13 percentage points difference in the last Presidential election.
    Yet, there are more Republican districts in the state.

  132. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Twenty-six years ago today, a young Sgt American_Way had detached from his Marine Inspector-Instructor Staff duty assignment at a large midwestern city. He his pregnant wife, and two-year-old daughter were staying with family on two weeks leave before traveling cross country to his new duty station and life.

    Sometime this morning, the phone rang and my father handed it to me. It was my former Inspector Instructor, a Marine Infantry Captain. I took the phone already knowing this had to mean something was terribly wrong. It was. In a tight voice my Captain told me I had to report back to the I-I Staff immediately. I had not been watching the news so my Capn told me that the Marine Barracks in Beruit had been blown up and we had a mass casualty situation and I needed to report back that very day – my orders were being modified. I was to bring my dress blues.

    I don’t know if we are unique, but the Marine Corps provides casualty notifications in person. Marine officers and Staff Noncommissioned Officers on Independent Duty in every state (I-I, recruiting, and reserves) fill this role. Notification includes a personal visit by normally two Marines, and a chaplain if available (they were not). Great effort is made to ensure notification is made by Marines to Marine families – before the news media or other sources. Exacting information is relayed from Marine Headquarters in Washington D.C. casualty section. The exact time, place, circumstances, extent of injuries, circumstances surrounding the death (or injury) are relayed and repeated back-and-forth to ensure familes are provided as much detail and factual information as possible.

    I kissed my wife good-bye and was on the road within 30 minutes of the call. Arriving back at the Marine Staff offices, a few hours drive later, the place was abuzz. I went straight away to work. Fortunately, my replacement was already on board so I became an extra body able and experienced with the tasks before us.

    We waited with our checklists for the phone to ring. Praying it would not – but knowing it was going to.

    Teams were being brought together. Government sedans borrowed (we only had the one). Clergy were notified, casualty assistance packets (death benefits, life insurance, burial and headstone info) was busted out in quantities I had never seen before. Reserves were called up to assist.

    But my Captain and one other officer were determined they would make every call. After the two Gunny’s, I was regulated to driver and basically the radar oreilly w/the paperwork.

    It didn’t matter who we called for help – they were there without question. Sometimes, they were there before being called. All determined to get to the familes first with the word.

    Meanwhile the media and families from the state we were responsible for were calling. There were no emails. No computers on desks yet. We had to wait for message traffic from the message center. And the telephone.

    And the unit I was an instructor at was a Marine Infantry Company. We were all 03 infantry, or close to 03’s. We knew what unit was in Beruit. All of us were trying to remember where our buddies were or had been transferred to.

    It was the deadliest single-day since the Battle of Iwo Jima. The tasks and procedures we followed were well developed – but no one had anticipated the huge numbers. Mass casualty management was rewritten after this drill like none before.

    It was a horrible attack and lessons were learned and forgotten on the bombing site.

    It was terrorism before the term was popular.

    Hezbollah, on behalf of Allah was blamed for the attack. Funded and supported by Syria and Iran. To this day, Iran still funds and supports them.

  133. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    “May I share something with you I think you’d like to know? It’s something that happened to the Commandant of our Marine Corps, General Paul Kelley, while he was visiting our critically injured Marines in an Air Force hospital. It says more than any of us could ever hope to say about the gallantry and heroism of these young men, young men who serve so willingly so that others might have a chance at peace and freedom in their own lives and in the life of their country.

    I’ll let General Kelley’s words describe the incident. He spoke of a “young Marine with more tubes going in and out of his body than I have ever seen in one body.”

    “He couldn’t see very well. He reached up and grabbed my four stars, just to make sure I was who I said I was. He held my hand with a firm grip. He was making signals, and we realized he wanted to tell me something. We put a pad of paper in his hand – and he wrote ‘Semper Fi.’ ”

    Well, if you’ve been a Marine or if, like myself, you’re an admirer of the Marines, you know those words are a battle cry, a greeting, and a legend in the Marine Corps. They’re Marine shorthand for the motto of the Corps – “Semper Fidelis” – “always faithful.”

    General Kelley has a reputation for being a very sophisticated general and a very tough Marine. But he cried when he saw those words, and who can blame him? That Marine and all those others like him living and dead, have been faithful to their ideals. They’ve given willingly of them selves so that a nearly defenseless people in a region of great strategic importance to the free world will have a chance someday to live lives free of murder and mayhem and terrorism. I think that young Marine and all of his comrades have given every one of us something to live up to.

    They were not afraid to stand up for their country or, no matter how difficult and slow the journey might be, to give to others that last, best hope of a better future. We cannot and will not dishonor them now and the sacrifices they’ve made by failing to remain as faithful to the cause of freedom and the pursuit of peace as they have been.

    I will not ask you to pray for the dead, because they’re safe in God’s loving arms and beyond need of our prayers. I would like to ask you all – wherever you may be in this blessed land – to pray for these wounded young men and to pray for the bereaved families of those who gave their lives for our freedom.

    God bless you, and God bless America.”

    - Ronald Reagan

    All gave some… Some gave all
    We came in peace.

  134. lindainks55
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Well it looks like the Republican Party has it made in the shade!

    Now about that tiny consideration of who is going to please the base enough to be nominated and the independents enough to attract their votes.

    Ah, it’s all so easy. Just look at the maps you’d like to look at, add up the numbers the way they make sense to you, and shoot, there you are right back in the driver’s seat!

    Meanwhile it’s a long way off, and right now it is very entertaining!

  135. Regular
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    AmWay,

    I remember that day when all those Marines were killed. Everyone in the Air Force wanted to bomb the hell out of that place.

    Like you, terrorism wasn’t an ‘in’ word except for those stationed in countries that had experienced local terrorists. But nothing like what just happened.

    Our Commander said ‘he wanted to bomb them too’ and said, ‘But, we don’t know who they are or where they are from.’

    It was a wakeup call of an enemy who hides in plain sight and knows no limits of cruelty.

    We all sat around stunned for days and speculated on what we’d do if we were in charge.

    Evidently, even Reagan didn’t know how to confront them at the time after the attack. It was then and that feeling still exists today of empty vengeance eating at our military souls.

  136. Raptor
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    The people cheering over the apparent ‘demise’ of the Republican party seem to have short memories. Does anyone remember Time magazine articles from a few years back? for example:

    Nov 17, 1980, “The Democrats must build a new a party base—and vision Democrats wandering from the wreckage of their 1980 presidential campaign will be bitter and disconsolate for a while.”

    November 19, 1984: “Learning hard lessons and devising new approaches The Democrats knew they were going to lose”

    Pundits of all kinds were asking if that period was the death of the Democratic Party. There is a political pendulum that swings back and forth in the country, and will swing back again.

    So don’t get too complacent in your temporary victory…these kinds of things have a way of changing. Political history has shown many, many times that you cannot count one party ‘out’ for any substantial length of time.

  137. American_Way
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    The death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and three Army soldiers.

    http://www.beirut-memorial.org/memory/brtnames.html

    I will never forget. But I’m afraid the lessons have already been forgotten. I fear we are repeating them and more will die.

  138. Raptor
    Posted October 23, 2009 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    There is a more in depth article to be found at http://www.thefreelibary.com that has an interesting title:

    Divided They Fell: The Demise of the Democratic Party, 1964-1996.

  139. faffitLag
    Posted November 17, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Hello ,

    Im new here and just wanted to stop by and say hi :)