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No amount of our money can change the weather. Forget it.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091019/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_climate_forum
I notice that the topics today feature, as usual, articles by lib columnists, these on education and Katrina; complain about the federal government not spending as much as it should.
Obama’s original pick to head the Commerce Department doesn’t think so. He thinks we are spending ourselves to “banana republic” status.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) – A leading fiscal mind on Capitol Hill and a one-time Obama Cabinet pick sounded the alarm Sunday over the projected long-term financial challenges the country faces.
“This deficit is driven by us,” New Hampshire Republican Sen. Judd Gregg candidly said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union when asked about the federal government’s projected $1.42 trillion operating deficit for the 2009 fiscal year.
“You talk about systemic risk. The systemic risk today is the Congress of the United States,“ the Ranking Republican on the Senate Budget Committee told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King, “that we’re creating these massive debts which we’re passing on to our children. We’re going to undermine fundamentally the quality of life for our children by doing this.”
“Now you can’t blame that on [former President] George [W.] Bush,” Greg said, noting that using the Obama administration’s projections the budget deficit for the next ten years is $1 trillion per year. And Gregg said that during the same ten-year period, public debt as a percentage of gross domestic product would increase from 40 percent — which Gregg called “tolerable but still too high” — up to 80 percent.
The figures, Gregg told King, “mean we’re basically on the path to a banana-republic-type of financial situation in this country. And you just can’t do that. You can’t keep running these [federal] programs out [into the future] and not paying for them. And you can’t keep throwing debt on top of debt.”
“Standards of living will drop if we keep this up,” Gregg also said.
After repeated promises from the White House that the final health care reform bill will be deficit neutral, Gregg said a Democratic plan to avoid otherwise automatic Medicare cuts without having a funding source for the projected expense of $250 billion over the next decade was “gamesmanship.”
Asked about criticism leveled Sunday by former Republican-turned-Democrat Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania that Republicans were being obstructionist in the health care reform debate, Gregg replied, “Well, I suppose he has to call us something now that he’s left the party.”
Responding to the Democratic charge that the GOP is “the party of ‘no,’” Gregg pointed to Republican health care reform proposals including his own and another co-sponsored by Republican Sens. Tom Coburn and Sen. Richard Burr, as well as a bipartisan proposal put forward by Sens. Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Robert Bennett (R-UT).”
Gregg said the versions of health care reform voted out of the Senate Finance Committee and the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee would amount to “a huge expansion of government.”
“You’re talking about taking the government and increasing it by $1-$2 trillion over the next ten years,” Gregg said. He added that he thought growing government at that rate would have a “very debilitating effect” on the overall economy and the ability of Americans to get health care in the future.
At one point earlier this year, Gregg, who is not seeking re-election to his Senate seat in 2010, was President Obama’s choice to head the Commerce Department. But the fiscal hawk removed himself from consideration because of differences with the new administration on several policy issues.
The White House escalated its offensive against Fox News on Sunday by urging other news organizations to stop “following Fox” and instead join the administration’s attempt to marginalize the channel.
Obama senior adviser David Axelrod went further by calling on media outlets to join the administration in declaring that Fox is “not a news organization.”
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Axelrod issues ultimatum.
“join the administration” or else!!!
White House boasts: We ‘control’ news media
TEL AVIV – President Obama’s presidential campaign focused on “making” the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was “controlled,” White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.
“We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it,” Dunn said.
Fox hit back this past Friday, releasing a video of Dunn speaking to high school students last June in which she lists her two “favorite political philosophers,” including Communist Chinese leader Mao Tse-tung, whose draconian policies are blamed for the deaths of tens of millions of people.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113347
source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/18/white-house-escalates-war-fox-news-1925819282/
Dear President Obama,
This is not Chicago.
Obama’s been taking advise from his diversity czar Mark Lloyd who praises Hugo Chavez’s approch at controling the media.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/08/28/video-fcc-diversity-czar-chavezs-venezuela-incredible-democratic-revol
WASHINGTON (AP) – With Democrats in charge in Washington, supporters of so-called “net neutrality” rules seem poised to finally push through requirements that high-speed Internet providers give equal treatment to all data flowing over their networks.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091018/D9BDKHR80.html
Is the internet next?
Obama needs to understand that smoking cigarettes around a powder keg is not wise.
Honda Introduces Dog-Friendly Car
Thanks to its easy-clean cargo floor and tall, versatile layout, the Honda Element has been a longtime favorite for dog owners. Yet the number of official pet-friendly accessories for the Element, along with most other popular dog-haulers, has been surprisingly limited, leaving families to search for aftermarket solutions—or simply improvise.
Finally, Honda is taking full advantage of the Honda Element’s…ehem…pawtential for 2010, with a so-called Dog Friendly pet accommodation system.
cont’d at Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,566225,00.html
The end is near…
http://www.instituteforhumancontinuity.org/
The chief of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard on Monday accused the United States, Britain and Pakistan of having links with the Sunni militants responsible for a homicide bombing that killed five senior Guard commanders and 37 others.
“Behind this scene are the American and British intelligence apparatus and there will have to be retaliatory measures to punish them,” Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari said, vowing a “crushing” response.
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And obama’s response?
Here’s how much outlander’s people love their Bibles–
it must be changed to eliminate “liberal bias.”
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Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations. There are three sources of errors in conveying biblical meaning are, in increasing amount:
* lack of precision in the original language, such as terms underdeveloped to convey new concepts introduced by Christ
* lack of precision in modern language
* translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one.
Experts in ancient languages are helpful in reducing the first type of error above, which is a vanishing source of error as scholarship advances understanding. English language linguists are helpful in reducing the second type of error, which also decreases due to an increasing vocabulary. But the third — and largest — source of translation error requires conservative principles to reduce and eliminate.
Unbelievable. “Jesus wept.” I mean, he’s no sissy, so he must have destroyed them with lightning bolts.
Yeah, that’s it, he destroyed them with lightning bolts. WWRLD. What would Rush Limbaugh do?
Sol–
Obama’s response is to withdraw from Iraq where we never should have been and redeploy to Afghanistan to finish the job Bush botched.
Apparently, you think the President of the United States should bomb people over some exaggerated PR statements . . .
“Here’s how much outlander’s people love their Bibles–
it must be changed to eliminate “liberal bias.””
Must have the wrong folks there, CapnAmerica-
From outlander
“IMO, just stick with the faithful accepted interpretations such as NIV, American Standard, KJV and NKJV, etc…. When you try to modify it to your delicate taste, or remove the parts you don’t like (like Jefferson), or changing the gender identity of God (yup, there are those versions), you are trying to build God in your image”
News organizations:
Time Newsweek AP NYTimes CBS ABC NBC CNN LATimes WashPost Reuters
Not news organizations:
Fox, World Net Daily, WallStreetJournal editoral page, AmericanEnterpriseInstitute, Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation
LJ–
Here’s the link: http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
Enjoy.
“Obama’s response is to withdraw from Iraq where we never should have been and redeploy to Afghanistan to finish the job Bush botched.”
Apparently, you think the President of the United States should bomb people over some exaggerated PR statements .”
Ummm The date for withdrawal from Iraq was set by Bush. I don;t see President Obama accelerating it, and I don;t see Obama in any hurry to “finish” the job Bush botched”
Time to step up the plate and make a decision, MR.PRESIDENT.
Capn-
I don;t give a damn about some outfit wanting to change the scriptures. You pegged to “outlander’s people” Since disagrees with their position, you are either lying, or ignorant to connect them with him. Which is it?
Let’s hear him denounce them then.
And you too while you’re at it.
Remember the gal on the Texas State Board of Education who, in voting against bi-lingual education said, “If English was good enough for Jesus it’s good enough for me.”
HEy Not a problem–
THe work of the group, whom I called the other day a “bunch of nutcases” who want to write a “conservative bible” can do what they want, but they are splinter group, with no support by myself, or others whom I know.
Now, which was it? Were you lying? Or just ignorant when you called them “outlander’s people”?
Thank you, LJ.
There’s some hope for you.
The post was directed at outlander. Let’s see how he responds.
So far I’ve never heard him criticize a fellow FUNDY.
“Remember the gal on the Texas State Board of Education who, in voting against bi-lingual education said, “If English was good enough for Jesus it’s good enough”
Sounds like an urban legend to me
Obama’s response is to withdraw from Iraq where we never should have been and redeploy to Afghanistan to finish the job Bush botched.
And what, specifically, has obama done to date to accomplish those two missions?
How does this impact the Iranians claiming American responsibility in a terrorist act and the retribution for said act?
Or were you merely trying yet again to divert?
Anyone else see the pattern?
What has obama ______________________?
Lib response: “GEORGE BUSH!!!”
Here’s something hot off the wire service that should get people going:
Chamber of Commerce backs climate change bill
51 mins ago
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Chamber of Commerce said on Monday it will no longer opposes climate change legislation, but wants the bill to include a carbon tax.
The Chamber said it changed its position after several big companies left the group to protest the chamber’s earlier opposition to legislation to cut U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.
“We believe that strong climate legislation is the best way to ensure American innovation, create jobs, and make sure the U.S. and the world are on track to reduce global carbon emissions, and to provide for the needs of the American business community for generations to come,” said Chamber spokesman, Hingo Sembra.
‘Planet facing ‘catastrophe’ – Brown ‘
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gOscVy3oJ_RW-P5eNIdVgekxHRCw
“Prime Minister Gordon Brown has warned that the planet is facing “catastrophe” if action to stop rising greenhouse gas emissions was not agreed at forthcoming UN talks on climate change.
Mr Brown said letting the emissions which cause global warming run unchecked would have massive economic, human and environmental costs.”
Chamber says climate change statement a “hoax
REUTERS
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A Chamber of Commerce spokesman said on Monday that a statement put out earlier by another group that the Chamber no longer opposed climate change legislation was a “hoax.”
(Reporting by Tom Doggett)
From Politico:
The press release announcing the switch looks like an authentic document from the Chamber, with a logo and contact information for follow-up stories. But the name of Chamber president Tom Donohue is misspelled, and the individuals listed as contacts do not work at the Chamber.
Hah, way to go Reuters! Fact check EPIC FAIL!
On the other hand, this shows that the wire services (and much of the MSM), just runs corporate press releases as news without bothering to check a d4mn thing.
Regular posted October 19, 2009 at 11:26 am
Chamber says climate change statement a “hoax
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In reality, the Chamber of Commerce’s position against AGW science is the real joke.
Who cares wha Prime Minister Gordon Brown says. He’s not a climatologist, or a scientist, which in Cosmos world, makes his statements irrelevant, except of course, when they aren’t.
Bernanke Says U.S. Should Cut Record-High Budget Deficits
The Federal Reserve Chairman’s remarks to a conference in Santa Barbara, Calif., comes just days after the federal government on Friday reported a $1.42 trillion deficit for 2009 budget year that ended Sept. 30. The previous year’s deficit was $459 billion.
And it is only going to get worse folks.
littlejohn,
Perhaps some day you will learn how to think?
Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s statements are supported by the world’s top climatologists and scientists.
cosmos-
I think just fine–
Your insults mean nothing to me.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s statements are supported by the world’s top
ClimatologistsAlarmists andscientistsjournalists at the Hadley Propaganda CenterThere, fixed it for you cosmos.
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littlejohn
Posted October 19, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink
Capn-
I don;t give a damn about some outfit wanting to change the scriptures. You pegged to “outlander’s people” Since (he) disagrees with their position, you are either lying, or ignorant to connect them with him. Which is it?
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First, thank you littlejohn, for calling CapnAmerica on his post and his weaseling responses. And if I might answer your question about CapnA’s motivation, I would have to say it was a combination of dishonesty and feigned ignorance.
Regular posted October 19, 2009 at 11:48 am
There, fixed it for you cosmos.
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Congratulations Regular!! You edited one sentence on an obscure, anonymous, Kansas blog, to match your stupid denial and ignorance of the world’s climate science.
Unfortunately for Regular, he cannot edit reality.
US Sponsor of Terrorism? Say it isn;t so!!!
“The head of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards on Monday vowed to “retaliate” against the United States and Britain after accusing them of backing the perpetrators of a suicide bombing that killed six Guards commanders.
Iranian media say the Sunni Muslim insurgent group Jundollah (God’s soldiers) has claimed responsibility for Sunday’s bombing in Sistan-Baluchestan province, which killed 42 people in all.
The incident threatened to overshadow talks between Iran and global powers in Vienna on Monday intended to tackle a standoff about Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
Guards commander-in-chief Mohammad Ali Jafari said Iranian security officials had presented documents indicating “direct ties” from Jundollah to U.S., British and, “unfortunately,” Pakistani intelligence organizations, the ISNA news agency said.
“Behind this scene are the American and British intelligence apparatus, and there will have to be retaliatory measures to punish them,” Jafari was quoted as saying.”
littlejohn,
So you already understood (when you made your 11:37 am post) that Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s statements were supported by the world’s top climatologists and scientists?
Okay. . .
The cons will definitely have to strike out the quote of Jesus “I did not come to be served, but to serve.” Whoever who would be first shall be last, and visa-versa.
You can’t get anymore liberal than that, and it goes against everything a rich or aspiring to be rich con believes in.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 19, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink
littlejohn,
Perhaps some day you will learn how to think?
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cosMo resorts to adolesant name calling.
cosMo can’t think for himself. He lets the AGW alarmists think for him.
SolDevVB
Posted October 19, 2009 at 11:38 am | Permalink
Bernanke Says U.S. Should Cut Record-High Budget Deficits
The Federal Reserve Chairman’s remarks to a conference in Santa Barbara, Calif., comes just days after the federal government on Friday reported a $1.42 trillion deficit for 2009 budget year that ended Sept. 30. The previous year’s deficit was $459 billion.
And it is only going to get worse folks.
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Of course it’s only going to get worse. I hope everybody is stocked up on canned goods, gas, and bullets.
Phantom
Posted October 19, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
The cons will definitely have to strike out the quote of Jesus “I did not come to be served, but to serve.” Whoever who would be first shall be last, and visa-versa.
You can’t get anymore liberal than that, and it goes against everything a rich or aspiring to be rich con believes in.
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Nice, Phantom… right out of yesterday’s Gospel Reading. Nice catch there…
How’s that Fed. Reserve Audit thing coming along?? I havent heard anything recently…
Phantom — Mark 10:35-45
Phantom-
I am neither rich, nor aspiring to be rich, but have been called a con here many times.
I serve my community nearly every day of my life, to the extant of possibly giving my life for yours, how about you?
The new wording will be “I did not come to serve, but be served, whoever who would be first, shall also be first in heaven….”
‘The Arctic and the end of the world
Climate change presents the ultimate collective action problem, says author Michael Byers. ‘There is no Plan B. No alternate planet to which we can collectively decamp.‘
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Arctic+world/2114280/story.html
Brazil vows to fight gangs, Rio death toll hits 21
By ALAN CLENDENNING (AP) – 24 minutes ago
SAO PAULO — Brazil’s president promised Monday to battle drug traffickers who triggered a weekend of bloody chaos that killed 21 people in Rio de Janeiro just two weeks after the city won the 2016 Olympic games.
“We’ll do anything it takes and make all necessary sacrifices so we can clean up the mess that these people are imposing on Brazil,” President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva told reporters in Sao Paulo.
Rio police said the death toll from weekend clashes between rival gangs had risen from 14 to 21 because more bodies were found in the Morro dos Macacos (”Monkey Hill”) slum, where the shooting also downed a police helicopter.
Two of the six officers in the chopper died Saturday after the helicopter made a fiery landing on a soccer field, and a third who was badly burned died on Monday.
Silva said the federal government will provide more funding to state authorities to combat the drug gangs that control many of Rio’s 1,000 slums, and will give police a bulletproof helicopter.
“No alternate planet to which we can collectively decamp.‘” — [Cosmos]
But just wait till they figure out how to use the Stargate up there in that Colorado Mountain…
On a trip to Colorado Springs several years ago my wife and I asked at the A.F. Academy if there were tours of the Cheyenne Mountain Complex. The answer was “NO”. I guess I’ll never know. . .
Please try to remeber that the UK PM Gordon Brown is in a realy tight spot with his Labour Party, many of who think he is too “right” for their liking and fear the Tories are liable to replace them as the governing party in the very near future. Rock and hard place sort of thing. The G&M reports to-day that the US and Canada will probably object to the Copenhagen protocols (relacing Kyoto) if they are unrealistice in their aims and objects. The Chinese and the Indians point to their per capita small carbon footprint and won’t budge even though their National carbon footprints are gastly, almost as bad as North America. I think the real problem lies in India and China not wanting to slow down their labor/pollution intensive growth spurt and demand that the West accept their unachievable definition of per capita unit carbon footprint as a benchmark.
“Silva said the federal government will provide more funding to state authorities to combat the drug gangs that control many of Rio’s 1,000 slums, and will give police a bulletproof helicopter.”
The police have taken over several favelas, and the drug trade within. All that will happen if the police take over is the creation of a new super-gang, with the arms and power to challenge the government itself.
Legalize.
I think the real problem lies in India and China not wanting to slow down their labor/pollution intensive growth spurt and demand that the West accept their unachievable definition of per capita unit carbon footprint as a benchmark.
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sursum, The Chicoms are using their blog agents like cosMO to lobby for government intervention and carbon taxes. This will allow the Chinese to become the world’s economic super power.
MO loves MAO
http://www.wri.org/publication/content/7811
The United States was threatened by the political/military arm of another country today…….
Has anyone heard a response from anyone in the Obama Administration?
[crickets chirping]
The Obama campaign’s press strategy leading up to his election last November focused on “making” the media cover what the campaign wanted and on exercising absolute “control” over coverage, White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told an overseas crowd early this year.
http://www.sodahead.com/other/the-corrupt-white-house-admits-they-control-the-press/blog-173677/
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed –if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into
history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present
controls the past.”
“The past, he reflected, had not merely been altered, it had actually been destroyed. For how could you establish, even
the most obvious fact when there existed no record outside your own memory?”…George Orwell, “1984?
“In an escalation of tensions, the head of the Revolutionary Guard, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, said his security officials had documents linking Britain and America to Jundullah, the militant group which claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing on Sunday.
“Behind this scene are the American and British intelligence apparatus, and there will have to be retaliatory measures to punish them,” he said.”
Obama’s reaction? Still the pu ssy. Weakness. Indeciveness.
But doesn’t he LOOK GOOD!?!!!
Victor Fierro, director of Latinos4Life, a pro-life organization, was physically attacked by a pro-abortion woman on October 15 in front of a Planned Parenthood Fresno, CA abortion mill, cutting his arm and drawing blood, after shouting obscenities and attempting to damage a security camera. Local TV news outlets ignored the story of the assault in their evening broadcasts, although a YouTube video is available, brushing it aside either because the victim’s injury wasn’t serious enough, or because they thought a story on “chocolate-covered bacon” was more important than an assault with a deadly weapon in violation of First Amendment rights. Abortion advocates have also stolen signs and made threats during these pro-life demonstrations.
The pro-abortion news media, admittedly now controlled by the pro-abortion White House, almost never reports on any of the numerous assaults and vandalisms committed by abortion advocates against pro-lifers engaging in protected free-speech protests.
Troyboy,
I never once saw any of your people attacked by pro-choice people, but one of yours attacked me repeatedly, trying like hell to kick me. I’ve seen other escorts assaulted by your own, and it was one of yours that shot Dr. Tiller. I’d be real careful about trying to play victim here.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 19, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
http://www.wri.org/publication/content/7811
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MO likes to live in the past. He will still be using this decade old map 20 years from now when his Mao homeland will be 60% of his map and the US unidentifiable.
Why do you hate America MO?
donndublin: I’m afraid you are gonna have to include me in the ChiCom bunch. I honestly believe that unless we collectively do something about pollution we are are doomed to a pre-Industrial Revolution lifesyle. Agrarian, feudal and warlike. I was just pointing out the bargaining chips the two largest masses of humanity are using as a prop to fend off what is needed.
Union to Obama: FU
The House bill both Reps. Carol Shea-Porter and Paul Hodes voted for
would dramatically expand Medicaid to cover people earning as much as
133 percent of the federal poverty level. Under current state rules, New
Hampshire covers parents of Medicaid-eligible children only if their
income is less than 63 percent of the federal poverty level. The House
bill would more than double the family income level at which New
Hampshire would have to provide Medicaid services.
The federal government does not pay 100 percent of Medicaid costs. New
Hampshire picks up half the tab. Thus, the House bill would explode
state Medicaid costs.
The compromise “Baucus bill” passed in the Senate Finance Committee last
week also would expand Medicaid enrollment well beyond current levels.
In fact, about half of the bill’s expanded insurance coverage comes from
simply rewriting the rules on Medicaid eligibility so more people would
qualify.
Both bills would force states to expand coverage. There would be no
choice.
President Obama promised no tax increases of any kind on anyone earning
less than $250,000 a year. But if these proposed Medicaid expansions
become law, states will have to raise taxes to comply with the unfunded
federal mandate. For New Hampshire, that will almost certainly mean a
broad-based tax or expanded gambling.
Both Hodes and Shea-Porter already have voted to saddle New Hampshire
taxpayers with enormous additional public health care costs. Will Sens.
Jeanne Shaheen and Judd Gregg do the same?
http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Obama%27s+NH+tax+hik
e%3a+%27Reform%27+could+bankrupt+state&articleId=73a749dd-854c-42b7-a2f4-795d58f06f36
donndublin: I’m afraid you are gonna have to include me in the ChiCom bunch.
So are you saying that China who is now the world’s biggest polluter, should not be limitted in their pollution at the expense of the US and other western countries?
No more free markets. It will be determined by groups like the IPCC at who will grow an who will be diminished.
Donnyboy,
“No more free markets. It will be determined by groups like the IPCC at who will grow an who will be diminished.”
If by free markets, you mean the practice that has been prevalent for the last couple centuries of taking all you can and leaving the mess for someone else to clean up, then maybe we’re better off without them. Humanity can either control itself or nature will do it for us. Nature’s solutions are war, famine, pestilence and extinction. Remember that about 99%+ of all the species that have existed on earth don’t anymore. Figure your chances from that and make your choice.
‘Coal Plants Do $62 Billion of Damage a Year to US Environment‘
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/10/coal-62-billion-damage-us-environment-year.php
donndublin,
Why do you live in a fantasy world of ignorance, and denial of AGW science?
Sounds like a pretty good idea to me:
Homebuyers face questions on alcohol and smoking under new mortgage
rules
Homebuyers could be forced to provide detailed information about the
amount of money they spend on alcohol each month to qualify for a new
mortgage under a new clampdown on reckless lending.
In a sweeping review of the mortgage market published today, the
Financial Services Authority (FSA) said lenders needed to be far more
rigorous about their financial checks of potential borrowers.
It said lenders should delve deeper into homebuyers’ personal spending
including the amount they spend on alcohol and tobacco.
Spending on shoes, clothes and childcare could also be assessed under a
new, industry-wide “affordability test”.
We propose to require all lenders to assess the level of a consumer’s
expenditure in determining the affordability of a mortgage product, to
ensure that lending decisions are based on a consumer’s free disposable
income.”
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_
and_finance/article6880612.ece#
I just heard the most infuriating story from a friend of mine. The friend and her daughter are Agnostics. The daughter began dating a senior in high school. The mother of this boy is a fundy- interestingly, the religion isn’t even all that fundy.
The mother, upon finding out that he was dating HER, she began to trash this girl, calling her a s—, a c word, saying that she should be taken away from her mother for ruining her spirituality, that she was a radical, and actually demanded that she needed to go to Church with her family in order for her to date her son. When my friend’s daughter refused, she forbid the boy to see her, and he refused to stop seeing her so the mother threw the boy out of the house!
What the hades? I would NEVER demand that the person change their faith to see my kid. I would never call a teenager filthy names because I didn’t like his beliefs.
Is this what that good ole bible is teaching you?
This woman had the audacity to say these things to my friend on the telephone. My friend could not believe this woman was saying these things and called her to clear it up. It was worse than she could have imagined- and then to say those things to her on the phone…..I’ve got to say, my friend has far more self control than I’d have had.
AmWay, that’s bs. I don’t think any lifestyle questions are any of their business.
Jed, notice that Troy didn’t post his link to the youtube ‘evidence’. He never has any evidence. It’s like that fake ’save’ they were so proud of in Nebraska….
Thanks for the gossip Pmama, it was uh…real.
Now for the news…
Balloon Boy’s Dad figures after the trial, he will run for Congress on a Democratic ticket. O’BAMA says he would be qualified, but the dad would need to throw his kid under the bus.
dondublin: China is not the biggest polluter, the US is. Industry pollutants nowhere else matches our auto/industial/chemical/fertilizing/pollutant/throw away society. What I’m saying is that unless collectively we come to a reasonable aims and objects we will be scrub farming under a warlord who conducts constant tribal warfare to expand his clout. Come to think of it, except for the scrub farming, maybe we’re there now.
You have more speeding tickets? You pay higher insurance rates.
You smoke? You pay more.
You may call that BS, but many serious minded democrats are thinking the same. You fat too?
That’s gonna cost you.
Forget your meds again Irregular?
AmWay, I’m not for dictating what anyone does with their life. Nor punishing them because you don’t like what they do. That aint freedom buddy.
My friends daughter dated an Agnostic and the boys mother was the most fowl mouthed woman you ever heard. Swore worse than a sailor! Smoked, drank, was fat! And insisted my friends daughter smoke and drink with them and NOT TALK about gawd while in their house.
The audacity of those Agnostics to force their agnosticsy stuff on her!!!
“That aint freedom buddy”
Yeah, well there seems to be a serious erosion of what freedom really means in America today.
But if I have to pay higher rates, to support your smoking habits – then by golly you are going to be paying more.
Your freedom ends where mine begins.
Health care experts, including two former U.S. Surgeons General, said on Wednesday said that obesity has reached epidemic proportions and is a threat to security in the United States and abroad.
“Obesity is not just a health issue,” said Richard Carmona, who served as surgeon general in the George W. Bush administration. Carmona is now with the Strategies to Overcome and Prevent Obesity Alliance (STOP), a coalition of consumer, government, labor, business, and health insurers that advocate “innovative and practical strategies” to combat obesity.
(And here comes the Obama everything is an emergency one liner:)
Obesity “affects our national and global security,” said Carmona. He said the U.S. has reached a “tipping point,” at which obesity “now impacts every aspect of our society, including the future of our health system.”
Christine Ferguson, director of the Strategies to Overcome and Prevent Obesity Alliance (STOP), said that obesity needs to be a part of any health care legislation that Congress passes.
Chairman’s Mark
America’s Healthy Future Act of 2009
Scheduled for Markup
By the Senate Committee on Finance
Chairman’s Mark
The Chairman‘s Mark would establish Federal rating, issue, renewability, and pre-existing condition rules for the individual market. Issuers in the individual market could vary premiums based only on the following characteristics: tobacco use, age, and family composition. Specifically, premiums could vary no more than the ratio specified for each characteristic:
Tobacco use – 1.5:1
Age – 5:1
Family composition:
Single – 1:1
Adult with child – 1.8:1
Two adults – 2:1
Family – 3:1
Premiums could also vary among, but not within, rating areas to reflect geographic differences. States would define geographic rating areas. Taking together all permissible risk factors, premiums within a family category could not vary by more than a 7.5:1 composite ratio.
Baucus:
http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/leg/LEG%202009/091609%20Americas_Healthy_Future_Act.pdf
politicalmama,
Try not to stumble over the coffee table on your way to bed.
PMomma, you are going to pay more.
Chairman’s Mark
provide incentives to beneficiaries who successfully complete certain healthy lifestyle programs. Programs would target the following risk factors: high blood pressure, high cholesterol; tobacco use, overweight or obesity, diabetes and falls.
P-Mom,
When I was escorting, you wouldn’t believe how many times Troyboy “saved” the pharmaceutical rep who delivered birth control samples to the clinic. As she never stayed inside long enough for an abortion, they counted her as a “save” about twice a month.
I wonder what the word, “incentives” means, hmmmmm?
Jed Is it your intention to be ignorant or does it just come naturally?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/10/obamas-drive-by-compassion/#comment-682959
Amway,
My son once dated a christian, and as she insisted on preaching hellfire and damnation in my living room, I told her that she wasn’t welcome in my home anymore. My son got tired of it too, and dumped her soon after I did. And he never dated a christian again.
Jed is full of schitt.
Story time, as usual with Jethro.
American_Way: How you live, smoke, drink, hobbies race car driver, etc does affect your life insurance policy costs. Some doctors will not bother to see a smoker going on the theory that unless you quit, he can’t do much for you. I like that, in fact cessation and all eliminating all near occasions of smoking should be part of any proposed health care plan. In Toronto (at least the last time I was there) a store cannot display cigarettes or tobacco products at all, the client asks for a brand and the clerk opens a cabinet to get them.
Amway,
“Jed Is it your intention to be ignorant or does it just come naturally?”
Is it your intention to claim it was a typo rather than a racist epithet? Something about Sigmund Freud’s “The Psychology of Errors”…..?
Ant,
I’d say ask my son, but he currently resides in Buenos Aires and would resent me publishing his e-mail address, and would certainly resent any e-mails from the likes of you.
Jed, you are probably one of the most judgmental and “racist” people on this Blog. I know you won’t understand why, but you are. I could name many others, of the LIB mentality but what good would that so?
Libs are about division, always have been and always will be.
Jed I guess the answer is yes. You want to be ignorant.
Try posting the other spelling. It won’t get past the monitors. It is NOT a racial term.
sursum
Some doctors will not bother to see a old person going on the theory that unless you have private health insurance, he can’t do much for you cheap medicare patients.
What other term? Honky?
That term?
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Jed
Posted October 19, 2009 at 8:06 pm | Permalink
Ant,
I’d say ask my son, but he currently resides in Buenos Aires and would resent me publishing his e-mail address, and would certainly resent any e-mails from the likes of you.
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Ask your son what?
I was talkin’ to you, Jethro…not your son.
“I was talkin’ to you, Jethro…not your son.”
I know the feeling Anti. It’s like sitting in the bar near closing and trying to carry on a conversation with the drunk sitting next to you wiping his mustache with the bar rag.
honky dory
hunky dory
Jed says that makes me a racist….
Well Jethro,
I’ll leave it at that. You backed away from a story you indicated yourself in.
Story Time.
But I didn’t ask for his son’s email address in brazil (big eye roll)
American_Way
Posted October 19, 2009 at 8:35 pm | Permalink
hunky dory
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My mother and grandmother said that a lot…
Usually with a preface of sarcasm or when playing pinochle with my father and friends and they got bad cards. :)
My Grandma said “colored” one time(I believe she was pointing at some glass), evidently that makes me a racist…
“My Grandma said “colored” one time(I believe she was pointing at some glass), evidently that makes me a racist…”
Sure does. Just ask Chas.
Gigantic health bill being look over, who knows for sure what’s in it. I do know it can’t be good for many of us.
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1009/Finance_Committee_bill_has_been_filed_.html
I don’t like Obama’s healthcare proposal.
Does that make a racist too?
House Democrats attach Hate Crime bill to Defense budget
Thursday, 8 October 2009, as we expected, the House voted 281-146 to keep the “Hate Crimes” bill as part of the 2010 Defense Authorization Act. A separate procedural vote to strip out the hate crimes provision failed 216-208, with two members voting “present.”
A Brownback success in the Senate
DOES FAXING CONGRESS WORK? Here’s proof it does: After our first 1,055,000 petitions were read by some Senators, they voted 78-13 to pass Sen. Brownback’s good amendment to the Hate Crimes bill, protecting freedom of speech by pastors, stating the federal hate crimes law shall not be “applied … in a manner that infringes” First Amendment rights or that “substantially burdens any exercise of religion … speech, expression, [or] association, if such exercise of religion, speech, expression, or association was not intended to … incite an imminent act of physical violence against another.” Sen. Brownback provided additional protection for religious exercise and free speech beyond the minimum protection that a court may apply. Your faxes to the Senate helped win this victory!
“Gigantic health bill”
George, thanks for sharing a link to the senate bill.
1,500+ pages.
I had just finished skimming through the Chairmans Mark which was only 223 pages.
yuk!
I had just finished skimming through the Chairmans Mark which was only 223 pages.
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Interesting…I read Winchester’s bill that was 308 pages.
I did it while tying trout flies……
Regular
Posted October 19, 2009 at 8:23 pm | Permalink
What other term? Honky?
That term?”
Yes, that is the one. Sometimes it is spelled differently. I tried to post this, but I don’t think the monitor could handle the name of the Japanese city where the naval base is. I kept getting moderated.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=honky%20dory
And doing the dishes……….while watching 2.5 men.
“My mother and grandmother said that a lot…”
My folks too. They also said okiedokey on a regular basis.
I’ll bet they had slaves hidden behind the barn.
Here I thought that whip was for the bedroom.
“In an escalation of tensions, the head of the Revolutionary Guard, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, said his security officials had documents linking Britain and America to Jundullah, the militant group which claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing on Sunday.
“Behind this scene are the American and British intelligence apparatus, and there will have to be retaliatory measures to punish them,” he said.”
Obama’s reaction? Still the pu ssy. Weakness. Indeciveness.
But doesn’t he LOOK GOOD!?!!!
Hate crimes bills do NOT APPLY to freedom of speech. You have to actually commit or be in conspiracy to commit a criminal act based on hate in order to be convicted! It is repulsive that you had this squashed.
oh dear, a woman drank, smoked, and cursed and didn’t believe in god.
What a monster she must have been!
Yeah, you’re not allowed to proselytize to me in my own home either.
Amway, if you dictate how I live my life, I’ll start dictating how you live yours. Believe me, I will.
OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
White House boasts: We ‘control’ news media
Communications chief offers shocking confession to foreign government
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Posted: October 18, 2009
7:11 pm Eastern
By Aaron Klein
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Anita Dunn
TEL AVIV – President Obama’s presidential campaign focused on “making” the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was “controlled,” White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.
“Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn’t absolutely control,” said Dunn.
“One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters,” said Dunn, referring to Plouffe, who was Obama’s chief campaign manager.
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If there is a liberal here tonight that isn’t deeply offended by this then they have lost their mind and deserve what they get. As for me I will fight to the end for a free press that will report the news and not Obama released pap.
FOX news will will this battle because they are more thinking people in the US that are starting to see this administration for what it is.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113347
“okobserver” observes –
“FOX news will will this battle because they are more thinking people in the US that are starting to see this administration for what it is.”
Sure they will will.
Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck have reduced the (cluster) Fux Noise Channel to a national joke. Yeah, they get ratings. Same way people slow down to lookie-loo at horrible accidents on a freeway. Beck’s lost something like fifty sponsors in spite of his ratings because businesses (dominated by “libruhls,” I guess) want no part of his foolishness.
WorldNetDaily…
Heh, heh.
I remember their last big ’scoop.’
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b3f121dcde.png
First, thank you littlejohn, for calling CapnAmerica on his post and his weaseling responses. . . . .
Speaking of weaseling responses, outlander, what do you think of the CON Bible Project that claim the traditional versions of the Bible are too liberal?
Are you for or against?
I’m on record as against.
I’m sorry okobserver. I guess you did not get the news.
No doubt watching Fox.
Fox “news” is not now, nor has it ever been a credible news source. It is an opinion forum.
You’re right to question my motives.
I’m interested to see which you’ll defend: your Christian faith or your CONservative politics.
So which is it?
Already posted my take on the Conservative Bible movement:
Regular
Posted October 17, 2009 at 8:17 am | Permalink
Jesus was neither liberal or conservative, He is the Son of God.
…
I think any re-interpretation of the Bible, whether it be Liberal or Conservation should be looked at with skepticisim and caution.
Conservation = Conservative
okobserver believes that “FOX news will will”.
And okobserver believes that people make “millions” by donating their profits to charity.
okobserver is an excellent representative of her idea of the “thinking(sic) people in the US”.
Well . . . that’s mighty diplomatic of ya, Regular.
You’re going to look at them with skepticism.
Whoa! That should stop them cold with fear.
The website link is above. Why don’t you unload on them?
Because their CONs and that means “they’re entitled to their own opinion.”
Yup . . . IOKIYAR.
Why should I put fear into anyone doing a Bible project?
I look at the project with skepticism, because I don’t know the hearts of men/women or their motives.
Doesn’t mean I have to read the new Bible when it comes out – which I probably never will.
I’m a pragmatist in a lot of ways and a skeptic when it comes to people’s motives for doing something, especially if it has to do with the Word of God.
No politics, just is my personal view.
“CapnAmerica
Posted October 19, 2009 at 10:48 pm | Permalink
First, thank you littlejohn, for calling CapnAmerica on his post and his weaseling responses. . . . .
Speaking of weaseling responses, outlander, what do you think of the CON Bible Project that claim the traditional versions of the Bible are too liberal?
Are you for or against?
I’m on record as against.”
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CapnAmerica: Below is my previous response to the issue. If you really can’t figure out my position on changing the Bible for any political purposes, you’re even more dense than I thought.
Now, since you brought it up, I’ve got something for you. What about those liberal Bible versions that change the gender of God, and remove or change language? They OK?
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“IMO, just stick with the faithful accepted interpretations such as NIV, American Standard, KJV and NKJV, etc…. When you try to modify it to your delicate taste, or remove the parts you don’t like (like Jefferson), or changing the gender identity of God (yup, there are those versions), you are trying to build God in your image” – outlander
As ususal not one liberal opined on what Anita Dunn SAID but instead on me and Fox news. Idiots all.
There just is no hope for the dim libs here but I have faith that overal democrats aren’t this gullible.
Sheeple still following blindly. Monkey, BJ, cosmos, capn, daniel, WS, etc…
“okobserver” –
Here’s what the Baptists say about “christian” gullibility –
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4496&Itemid=53
Monkey when will you ever become relevant. Why do you even bother to post anything since your mind cant stay on subject and you can never give an opinion on the subject at hand. I specifically posted about Anita Dunns statements. I have done this three times and each time you have come back with some asinine off the wall post.
The dims here are flopping around so much they can’t even keep up with their own flops. It might just be easier to discuss Anita Dunn.
Direct Question: Do you think it is kosher for a prez campaign to control the press as she admitted they did. As she is trying to do now with the boycott of FOX news. BTW FOX said thanks. Their ratings have never been higher and they were already leading all other news shows.
The American public wants to know what FOX is reporting that the WH doesn’t want them to know.
“okobserver” –
White House Communications Director Anita Dunn said that President Obama plans to return to Fox for another interview. The only caveat is that he’ll be doing it with the understanding that Fox is the political opposition — not a news organization.
“Obviously he’ll go on Fox because he engages with ideological opponents. And he has done that before. He will do it again. I can’t give you a date because, frankly, I can’t give you dates for anybody else right now.
But what I will say is that when he goes on FOX, he understands that he is not going on — it really is not a news network at this point. He’s going to debate the opposition. And that’s fine. He never minds doing that.”
Now if you want to make the case that Fox isn’t an anti-Obama media outlet, go right ahead. Let’s have that debate. But the White House isn’t trying to stamp out Fox News. They are just calling it what it is: the opposition party’s media outlet.
Monkey another inane statement on your part. FOX is most certainly a news organization. They report real news as it happens. They don’t fact search a SNL comedy skit if that is what you mean. If you missed the pre-election Chris Wallace and Bill O’Reilly interviews then you really have no idea what you are talking about. Not adversarial just good question that the voters needed/wanted to know about.
Because Anita Dunn can’t control FOX as she stated she does the other networks doesn’t make them anything less. It actually makes them a good news network that only the dimmest libs are still shouting the mantra that they aren’t ‘real news’.
Know your enemy before you attack them. You and others like you as well as the administration are the best thing that has happened to FOX.
Still no comment on Anita Dunns comments. Sad.
At war in two countries without a decision. Iran threatens to attack.
And the Whiner-In_chief (WIC) has gone to war against an American broadcast company.
Still no proof from okobserver about how donating profits to a group adds “millions” to a person’s wealth.
A new poll on “Trust and Satisfaction with the National News Media” from Sacred Heart University’s Polling Institute finds five out of six Americans (83.6%) see the national news media as “very or somewhat biased,” and nearly nine out of ten (89.3%) say the media were a strong factor in electing Barack Obama as President last year.
Coming on the heels of a survey from the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press, which found “the public’s assessment of the accuracy of news stories is now at its lowest level in more than two decades,” the SHU survey suggests the news media have squandered the trust of most Americans. According to the Sacred Heart poll, “67.9% agreed with a statement that read: ‘Old-style, traditionally objective and fair journalism is dead.’
None of them are pure. They all are biased. Some more than most. Some in one direction and some in the other.
Our current Whiner-In-Chief simply cannot take the heat.
Cosmos if you weren’t so remarkably one sighted I would try to have a conversation with you. But you will have to adore algore on your own because I don’t give a whit what you think about him ‘donating’ profits to himself. His favorite charity.
The numbers said it all. If your mind can’t grasp that then it’s your loss not mine.
“okobserver” tries –
“Still no comment on Anita Dunns comments. Sad.”
Lemme see.
I quoted her and commented after the quote.
How’d ya miss that?
okobserver is an economic genius — she can prove (without any proof) that giving away profits increases a person’s net wealth.
okobserver can also prove (without any proof) that one specific source of income, which was given away (out of multiple, unknown income sources) caused an increase in net wealth. /sarcasm OFF.
Monkeyhawk posted October 20, 2009 at 9:58 am
“okobserver” tries –
“Still no comment on Anita Dunns comments. Sad.”
Lemme see.
I quoted her and commented after the quote.
How’d ya miss that?
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okobserver was too focused on proving that Al Gore got “millions” from income that he did not get?
Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it
By Judi McLeod
Tuesday, March 13, 2007
There’s an elephant in global warming’s living room that few in the mainstream media want to talk about: the creators of the carbon credit scheme are the ones cashing in on it.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover031307.htm
canadafreepress?
LOL!