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They know that they don’t know
If cap and trade is meant to solve our climate crisis, why does the bill include funding to understand climate change?
Section 451 of the Waxman-Markey cap and trade legislation includes funding to research the effects of “human-induced or natural changes in the global environment (including alterations in climate, land productivity, oceans or other water resources, atmospheric chemistry, biodiversity, and ecological systems) that may alter the capacity of the Earth to sustain life.” The government will pay for five-year reports on scientific knowledge regarding climate change and how various resource capacities are affected by it (Sec. 451).
The bill also establishes a National Climate Service to “advance understanding of climate variability and change at the global, national, regional and local levels,” among other climate change-related functions (Sec. 452, b1). Provisions for a report that will identify “specific needs for new climate products to be delivered by each Federal agency and its partner organizations,” as well as “potential user groups and stakeholders that may be served by expanding climate products and services” (Sec. 452, d2B(iii-iv)). It also creates a “Natural Resource Climate Change Adaptation Panel,” composed of the heads of various related government agencies, to serve as a forum for interagency consultation on the national resource climate change adaptation strategy.
A few things are certain. The verdict on climate change is quite uncertain. A recent BBC News article notes that “for the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.” The long-term trend of increasing temperatures is something to study, as is climate change in its entirety. If climate change is going to cause dramatic sea level rises or a new ice age, whether it’s human-induced or not, a changing climate could be a major problem. But it’s not right now and there’s no near-term imminent danger that would justify an expensive response, which most Americans seem to understand according to recent polling.
Indeed, it seems that they are seeing right through the façade of global warming alarmism. The American public requires more than overplayed claims by Vice President Gore that global warming not only caused Hurricane Katrina but that Katrina was itself evidence that we were entering a new era of deadly hurricanes. Despite these assertions, the hurricane seasons in 2006-09 have, by most measures, been quite normal. As Heritage energy and environment expert Ben Lieberman often states, everything that you hear about global warming that sounds terrifying is not true, and what is true is not particularly terrifying. The public gets this, which is why global warming ranks low as a priority of issues for Congress to address.
Studying the climate is worthwhile and Waxman-Markey would be an acceptable bill if it solely included these provisions for the world to better understand climate change. But pairing it with a costly cap and trade system, along with countless other problematic provisions, as the world recognizes that the scientific debate over global warming is far from over is not the solution to the nation’s dwindling climate concerns.
SOURCE
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/13/today%E2%80%99s-calamity-understanding-climate-change/
Anyone who has ever listened to Limbaugh would immediately recognize this as a hoax; in fact, it was made up out of whole cloth by a little-known left-wing blogger. But it was reported as fact by news outlets that didn’t bother to verify their facts. CNN was especially blameworthy in this regard; it vouched for the blogger-fabrication:
It is worth noting, as a kind of macabre footnote, that CNN found it worthwhile to “fact check” Saturday Night Live when that program had the temerity to ridicule CNN’s President, The One. Maybe CNN could become a respected news organization if it tried to fact check news stories as well as comedy skits, starting with–is this too much to ask?–its own broadcasts.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024707.php
The last part I might question if Limbaugh actually said, but the rest sounds like a Limbaugh quote.
You have freedom of speech, but no freedom for being held accountable for what you say.
Hank, the long-ago Navy “liason”(sic), seems to enjoy spreading lies about climate science.
Good morning, Heckler!
Unfortunately I think a lot of people that listen to Limbaugh do believe he is a racist. They are racists in their hearts and that clouds their perceptions.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Your link says that Rushbo has withdrawn from the group. Maybe. However, it looks like the group has ‘kicked him out’. If so, he has cause for damages. And Rush sounds like he’s going after them.
Good morning cosmos!
Help me here, I’m just a poor old guy struggling to understand the universe. Maybe you could point out the lies about ‘climate science’ you’ve discovered in the Heritage article I linked to?
“HLP” whines –
“…it looks like the group has ‘kicked him out’. If so, he has cause for damages.”
Ah! The voice of a tort-reformer!
Just what “damages” has Limbaugh “suffered” because people don’t want to go into business with him?
HLP posted October 15, 2009 at 6:58 am
Help me here, I’m just a poor old guy struggling to understand the universe. Maybe you could point out the lies about ‘climate science’ you’ve discovered in the Heritage article I linked to?
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Dear Hank,
You’re beyond help.
You’re just an old fool who thinks he knows more about climate science than climate scientists, because you long-ago did some “liason”(sic) work. And you seem to believe that Heritage is a credible, accurate source of climate science.
It sounds like the group, who solicited him in the first place, has dropped him.
I havent heard that he’s going after them.
Good morning, Monkeyhawk,
I’m wondering how you got ‘whines’ out of my comments on Limbaugh. Not a whine, merely an observation.
You query,
“Just what “damages” has Limbaugh “suffered” because people don’t want to go into business with him?”
Now i realize that most ‘libruls’ have little understanding of business arrangements in our struggling capitalist society but Limbaugh had entered into a business arrangement with Dave Checketts. Limbaugh was to be a limited partner in the group formed by Checketts to buy the Rams.
Now in a ‘librul’s’ perception of the world this is a racist buying the modern equivilent of a ‘plantation’. In reality it was a group that intended to make a profit on a business deal. When someone lies and slanders you and it results in you losing the opportunity to be a part of a ‘for profit’ group you have “suffered” “damages”.
Like I said, it will be interesting.
Libel: a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person .
Slander: words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another.
There’s a certain blogger out there who better be begging for forgiveness.
Let the record note, comos is unable to comment in any meaningful way on ‘climate science’ or the imagined ‘lies’ of the Heritage Foundation’s article.
But we do appreciate again demonstrating the hopelessness and the desperation of the ‘warmist’ position in a world that has been cooling for the last eleven years.
“Dear Hank,
You’re beyond help.”
Another day of attacking posters in the name of warming. Makes me wonder if Cosmos is posting about warming or posting just to attack posters.
Heckler
Posted October 15, 2009 at 7:11 am | Permalink
It sounds like the group, who solicited him in the first place, has dropped him.
I havent heard that he’s going after them.
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There’s no indication that he is going after them. However, in a slander suit against NBC I’m sure that Dave Checkett’s would be deposed.
I want to thank the Wichita Eagle for once again littering my driveway with an ad roll-up.
Anytime the Eagle wants to stop throwing unasked for garbage onto private property then just go ahead and do it.
Heh HEH!
Rush Limbaugh: “You, you don’t like me. You really don’t like me.”
HLP posted October 15, 2009 at 7:18 am
Let the record note, comos is unable to comment in any meaningful way on ‘climate science’ or the imagined ‘lies’ of the Heritage Foundation’s article.
But we do appreciate again demonstrating the hopelessness and the desperation of the ‘warmist’ position in a world that has been cooling for the last eleven years.
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Let the record note that Hank was too dumb today to recognize that he reposted the same old lies that he has posted in the past. . . and Hank is too dumb/lazy to search the archives to find my explanations of those tired old lies.
Just wondering, cosmos,
Do you even give a damn about the planet and warming or are you merely a pathetic little man that cowardly vents his nastiness behind an anonomous nic?
You do your cause no good by your inability to discuss it in a rational, meaningful way.
At 6:55 this morning, “HLP” posted –
“… Rush sounds like he’s going after them.”
At 7:21 this morning, “HLP” posted –
“There’s no indication that he is going after them….”
So which is it?
“No indication?” Or “…he’s going after them?”
When you make up stuff, “HLP,” it’d probably be a good idea to keep track of the lies you’ve told.
At least for half an hour.
I’m reminded of a line from a movie about another blow hard prima dona.
“Just remember Rush, your worst enemy is your own big mouth.”
Dear Hank,
You’d be more “effective” if you did not keep foolishly reposting the same tired old lies over and over and over again.
But I guess that’s all that Hank can do.
Well, Monkeyhawk,
I apologize for your confusion. In the first quote when I wrote,
“It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Your link says that Rushbo has withdrawn from the group. Maybe. However, it looks like the group has ‘kicked him out’. If so, he has cause for damages. And Rush sounds like he’s going after them.”
The ‘them’ I referred to were the many journalists and commentators that had misquoted Rush about his supposed racist comments. I can see how you and Heckler thought I ment the Checketts group.
Anyone that has listened to Rush the past few days would understand that Rush has no animous toward the ‘group’ and intends to go after the actual people that have libeled and slandered him.
I do appreciate the fact that you study and try to understand my comments and I appreciate this opportunity to further enlighten you.
My bad.
Dear cosmos,
The link I provided to the Heritage Foundation article is actually very current and contains comments on various aspects of the ‘Cap and Trade’ bill.
Would you care to comment on just one of the lies you’ve found? Not for me, but for your many admirers here on the BLOG that look to you for information and guidance on the ’science of climate change’.
Well, children,
When you own horses you are a hero twice a day. Time to feed and do chores.
Play nice.
I wonder how Rush is enjoying his admission to the “you can’t have!” America that he has helped to build?
“Let the record note that Hank was too dumb today to recognize that he reposted the same old lies that he has posted in the past. . .”
Sure you are not confusing HLP post with one by Cosmos? How far back would we have to go to find a Cosmos post which is not a “repost of the same old lies”?
Ah, the right-wing persecution complex rears its thorny-crowned head again.
I guess it’s true what they say about karma being a bee-yotch.
Oh, c’mon, “HLP” –
There’s ABC videotape of Limbaugh’s Donovan McNabb melt-down. There’s “Barack the Magic Negro.” There’s the “Colin Powell only supports Obama because he’s black.”
You wrote, “…the group has ‘kicked him out’. If so, he has cause for damages. And Rush sounds like he’s going after them.” Didn’t you?
Nothing about “journalists or commentators.”
What a weasel you are. Especially since you didn’t address your comment, “…he’s going after them,” and less than a half-hour later you had to admit, “There’s no indication that he is going after them….”
You wrote that, didn’t you?
Didn’t you?
Which time were you lying?
The hate Rush Limbaugh crowd perversely includes some of his most faithful listeners. I find that very strange. I mean, can you imagine listening daily to someone you don’t agree with for hours on end? Are they trying to foment hate in their heart? Hate is a very destructive emotion. Do they hang on to the hate because that’s all they have?
There is a better way.
Well it looks as if the racist and accessory to murder, Rev. Al has prevailed.
That should make you LIBs feel all warm and fuzzy.
Accessory to murder? Do tell!
Dear Hank,
Since it’s your Heritage link, and you insist that their claims are accurate, I’ll let you prove it to your “admirers”, like Hud.
Calculate the temperature trend of the last “eleven years”, using all eleven years, and post the results.
(Hint: it’s a warming, not cooling, trend.)
Then quote the comments made by Al Gore that support Heritage’s (false) claims that Gore said:
(1) global warming “caused” Hurricane Katrina.
(2) Katrina was itself “evidence” that we were entering a new era of deadly hurricanes.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 15, 2009 at 8:08 am | Permalink
Oh, c’mon, “HLP” –
There’s ABC videotape of Limbaugh’s Donovan McNabb melt-down. There’s “Barack the Magic Negro.” There’s the “Colin Powell only supports Obama because he’s black.”
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If those statements, commentary and/or satire were the issue why are the slavery and James Earl Ray commments being made up?
“outlander” –
I used to listen to Limbaugh, hoping someday, somehow he might say something that surprised me. Something that wasn’t the usual CON cant.
Never happened.
Oh, he’s funny sometimes. Like the kid who told fart jokes to the cheerleaders back in junior high.
But be honest, CONs. Has Rush Limbaugh ever said anything — ANYTHING — that made you sit back and reconsider what you thought about said issue? Ever?
So I channel surf on AM radio and sometimes run across one of his broadcasts. He still doesn’t surprise. He’s audacious sometimes. (So am I.) But c’mon, CONs. He doesn’t stimulate your thought processes, he feeds you the talking points du jour.
And you CONs parrot them in forums (fora?) such as WE Blog and think you’re the clever ones.
Limbaugh failed miserably on television and you can bet his bloated ego really resents what Glenn Beck’s done on the (cluster)Fox Noise Channel.
C’mon, CONs. Limbaugh caused his own deafness by his addiction to Hillbilly Heroin purchased by his maid in a Pizza Hut parking lot! He’s married three times (and the last one was, as I recall, a babe) who couldn’t live with his aborted adolescence. He’s a die-hard “lifetime” devotee to the Pittsburgh Steelers but wanted to buy the St. Louis Rams? No mixed loyalties there, now is there?
LOL!
Rush really gets under your skin, doesn’t he Monkeyhawk!
Just because you characterize Rush’s comments as racist and a ‘meltdown’, when he talked about the various so called sports journalists as they glorified Donavan McNab doesn’t make it so.
When Rush comes up with a parodie that showcases the racism of a LA Times commentator with his Barack the Magic Negro tune doesn’t make him a racist. It merely points out the hypocarcy of liberals.
Maybe as you explain to me how his comments about Colin Powell can possibly be construed to be racist you can also tell me why the ‘republican’ Colin Powell supported Barack (peace in our time) Husein (the chosen one) Obama, HMM, HMM, HMM when John McCain seemed to be everything that Colin Powell said we needed to fill his vision of a ‘new republican’?
Again, I’m somewhat flattered by your attention to my remarks, weird though it is.
It’s a good start for Rush and people like him.
Like MOST Americans, he is being introduced to things he can’t have. Next, we will acquaint him with things he does not get to keep.
The truth is Monkeyhawk, there is no record of any thing racist that Rush has ever said. Especially when he is quoted incontext.
That is why his many jealous detractors find the need to make up comments that are racist and falesly atribute them to him.
Back to the point that you are trying so hard to ignore,
When you write or say falsehoods about someone that cause him to lose moneyin a business association, you can be held liable for damages.
He’s going after them.
hehehe
“HLP” –
I refuse to do business with chiro-quacktors.
So sue me.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 14, 2009 at 8:38 pm | Permalink
“You’re essentially, for the first time, creating an ocean. Which is not something you want to do as a global experiment, because you cannot take the ocean away,” Prof. Wadhams said. “If it’s a disaster you cannot put the lid back on again and say, ‘Oh, that didn’t work out, let’s try that again.’ You’re stuck with what you’ve done.”
More at,
http://news.google.com/news/quote?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&qsid=tcA_cDe5NgmLgM
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“Professor Wadhams said: “The Catlin Arctic Survey data supports the new consensus view – based on seasonal variation of ice extent and thickness, changes in temperatures, winds and especially ice composition – that the Arctic will be ice-free in…” – MO’s link
The “Catlin Arctic Survey data” was a fraud. It was funded by Catlin Group which is an Insurance Company based in Bermuda engaged in a scheme to jack up insurance rates. Professor Wadhams is cheery picking data to fit his pre-drawn conclusion.
Monk,
Oh Nooooooo! Limburger is a fickle football fan? That ought to finish him with cons everywhere!
By the way, I’d love to see Price defend the jackass while Limburger drinks a glass of water.
The Nation: Limbaugh, You Don’t Belong In The NFL
by Dave Zirin
October 15, 2009
Tuesday I was referred to on air as “scum” by Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh called me out by name on his radio show because, along with Bryan Burwell of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Drew Sharp of the Detroit Free Press, I challenged Limbaugh’s efforts to own a NFL team, saying that his history of racial bombast should count against him.
Limbaugh said of us:
“They are the ones with prejudice and bigotry coursing through their vanes [sic], through their hearts, and through their souls. They are consumed with jealousy and rage. They are all liberals — and make no mistake: That’s what this is about. It is about ideology. It isn’t about race. It’s about their being jealous and attempting to discredit me, and they’ve now sunk to the low of repeating fabricated quotes that they cannot source…. These people are scum.”
What we all did was carry a quote from Limbaugh that he absolutely insists he did not say. The quote is:
“We didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”
For all the dittoheads out there, here is how we came up with the quote: it was in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Detroit Free Press, the Washington Post, and in the book 101 People Who Are Really Screwing America by Jack Huberman. It has been out in the ether for years. Now that it is endangering his chances to become an NFL owner, Limbaugh is serving up a full heaping of indignation..
As Jason Whitlock, with whom I have had every manner of political disagreement over the years, writes:
“Limbaugh claimed on his radio show Monday that his staff could not find any proof that he ever joked about slavery. I’m sorry. Limbaugh doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on racial matters… You can argue the comments are presented out of context and were meant as jokes. Then I’d argue that Limbaugh needs to get on the comedy-club circuit and out of the business of attempting to influence presidential politics. Limbaugh wants to be taken seriously.”
But let’s take Limbaugh at his word, for now, that he didn’t say it. We should look at the myriad of quotes on record he makes no effort to dispute. We can only assume that he is proud to have said, “The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons.”
Or these other gems:
“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”
“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”
To an African-American caller:
“Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”
Upon hearing that Spike Lee said that black schoolchildren should take off from school to see the movie Malcolm X:
“Spike, if you’re going to do that, let’s complete the education experience. You should tell them that they should loot the theater and then blow it up on their way out.”
Or calling Barack Obama “Halfrican- American” and saying:
“In Obama’s America, the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering, “Yay, right on, right on, right on, right on”…. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama’s America.”
The real reason Rush is doing a slow-burn on his show and setting loose his army of Internet trolls to deliver his tough-guy message is that his dream of owning an NFL franchise is going up in smoke. After seven players and the union went public and stood up to Rush getting his mitts around the most powerful cultural and athletic brand in America, commissioner Roger Goodell finally spoke out. Goodell said on Tuesday that Limbaugh’s “divisive comments” had no place in the NFL. “I have said many times before, we’re all held to a higher standard here,” Goodell said to reporters. “I would not want to see those kinds of comments coming from people who are in a responsible position in the NFL. No. Absolutely not.”
Goodell’s statement was complemented by Colts owner Jim Irsay, who said, “I, myself, couldn’t even think of voting for him… I’m very sensitive to know there are scars out there. I think as a nation we need to stop it. Our words do damage, and it’s something that we don’t need. We need to get to a higher level of humanity, and we have.” Other owners issued decidedly lukewarm comments about the possibility of sharing space with Rush.
Some are surprised that ownership isn’t welcoming Limbaugh with a passionate embrace because most owners are to the right of Attila the Hun. They are billionaires who have feasted at the public trough of corporate welfare while basking in tax breaks for the rich. In other words, they constitute Limbaugh’s base. But his membership in this exclusive fraternity of billionaires would violate the first rule of ownership: protect the bottom line.
The inconvenient truth is that no matter how much he rants and raves, no matter how often he calls columnists like Burwell, Sharp and me “state-run-media scum,” it’s the commissioner and the owners who believe that his history of ugly vitriol would be just too harmful to the NFL brand. You reap what you sow, and Rush Limbaugh has reaped a whirlwind.
“Is this not a conflict of interest? Sending environmental activists to gather climatic data for an insurance company trying to asses rates due to impact from climate change? ”
http://jer-skepticscorner.blogspot.com/2009/04/catlin-arctic-fraud.html
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 15, 2009 at 9:29 am | Permalink
“HLP” –
I refuse to do business with chiro-quacktors.
So sue me.
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LOL!
Anytime you resort to dafaming my wife I know that you have given up any attempt at decent discourse and I’ve won.
Note the time, 9:29. Not a record but earlier than usual!
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HLP
Posted October 15, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink
LOL!
Anytime you resort to dafaming my wife I know that you have given up any attempt at decent discourse and I’ve won.
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Good morning, HLP!
Why would you assume that Monkeyhawk’s post had anything to do with your wife? As I read it he was referring to quacks in general and none specifically.
Catlin Arctic Ice Survey first report offers no original drilling data, but anecdotally confirms satellite measurement
Given their admittedly fraudulent biometric readings, and lack of candor on their ice radar, how can we trust anything they publish? So far for a “science” mission I remain unimpressed with the effort or the transparency. – Anthony
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/19/catlin-arctic-ice-survey-first-report/
Good morning, Daniel.
My assumption comes from his many previous tasteless and vulgar comments about my wife and her profession.
Why do you see the need to post in support of a Kieth Olberman wanna be?
Was just curious as to why you would make such an assumption.
Well, I’m a little curious too, Daniel.
Daniel,
MonkeyHock is well known for his personal attacks on posters. He brings up the chiropractor innuendo often just to taunt HLP. I don’t understand why he attacks HLP. Hank is good people and would do anything to help people out. Why do Lib posters start and end their day attacking other posters?
Thanks for the kind words, Regular.
I really am a nice person! Monkeyhawk resorts to lies and personal attacks when he cannot defend his positions in a rational and decent way.
When he’s losing he resorts to his ‘Kieth Olberman’ school of public discourse.
For the record, I spoke about chiro-quacktors –
It was “HLP” who dragged his wife into the conversation. Not me.
If a chiropractor is out there who isn’t a quack, s/he’d have no problem with me.
Massage the lower back and don’t claim to cure allergies, diabetes, and cancer by “subluxation.”
Of course a physical therapist can do the same thing. So can a masseuse down on South Broadway. For less. And with a “happy ending.”
(Or is there something you’re not telling us, “HLP?”)
And chiro-quacktors are sweating blood at the prospect health insurance reform might cut them off from government (and insurance companies’) reimbursements for their “cures.”
Go ahead and believe in it if you like.
Just don’t ask me to pay tax dollars to subsidize a back-rub bidness.
HLP
“I do appreciate the fact that you study and try to understand my comments and I appreciate this opportunity to further enlighten you.”
I think you’ve got that wrong Hank. Monkey”boy” looks for anything he can turn into “something”. It’s like he goes out of his way to build strawmen to beat people over the head with. It’s perverse. He’s got nothing so he has to manufacture something.
“When he’s losing he resorts to his ‘Kieth Olberman’ school of public discourse.”
….which is pretty much all of the time.
“HLP” –
(This was first posted a couple of hours ago. I’m certain your not responding is just an oversight on your part.)
You wrote, “…the group has ‘kicked him out’. If so, he has cause for damages. And Rush sounds like he’s going after them.” Didn’t you?
Nothing about “journalists or commentators.”
What a weasel you are. Especially since you didn’t address your comment, “…he’s going after them,” and less than a half-hour later you had to admit, “There’s no indication that he is going after them….”
You wrote that, didn’t you?
Didn’t you?
Which time were you lying?
MonkeyHock tries to repair his discourse, but fails. The primate has already peed on his own leg, hence the odor – and now is all ‘wee-weed up’ trying to get back into the good graces of blog deity and the dog-food lib groups.
“Regular”
Posted October 15, 2009 at 10:20 am –
“MonkeyHock tries to repair his discourse, but fails. The primate has already peed on his own leg, hence the odor – and now is all ‘wee-weed up’ trying to get back into the good graces of blog deity and the dog-food lib groups.”
What does that mean in English?
gular
Posted October 15, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink
Daniel,
MonkeyHock is well known for his personal attacks on posters. He brings up the chiropractor innuendo often just to taunt HLP. I don’t understand why he attacks HLP. Hank is good people and would do anything to help people out. Why do Lib posters start and end their day attacking other posters?
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Not sure, but could it be for the same reasons some con posters do the same?
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 15, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink
“HLP” –
(This was first posted a couple of hours ago. I’m certain your not responding is just an oversight on your part.)
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Did you miss my response and apology, Monkeyhawk?
It addressed your concerns and was to the point. I’ll repost it,
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HLP
Posted October 15, 2009 at 7:55 am | Permalink
Well, Monkeyhawk,
I apologize for your confusion. In the first quote when I wrote,
“It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Your link says that Rushbo has withdrawn from the group. Maybe. However, it looks like the group has ‘kicked him out’. If so, he has cause for damages. And Rush sounds like he’s going after them.”
The ‘them’ I referred to were the many journalists and commentators that had misquoted Rush about his supposed racist comments. I can see how you and Heckler thought I ment the Checketts group.
Anyone that has listened to Rush the past few days would understand that Rush has no animous toward the ‘group’ and intends to go after the actual people that have libeled and slandered him.
I do appreciate the fact that you study and try to understand my comments and I appreciate this opportunity to further enlighten you.
My bad.
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You seem to be in a rut this morning. Move on.
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I guess that Hank is still researching his proof for his “admirers”. . .?
(sigh)
Okay, “HLP” –
Simple question.
Asks for a simple answer.
Do chiropractors claim to cure allergies, diabetes, and cancer by manipulating the spine?
Regular
Posted October 15, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink
MonkeyHock tries to repair his discourse, but fails. The primate has already peed on his own leg, hence the odor – and now is all ‘wee-weed up’ trying to get back into the good graces of blog deity and the dog-food lib groups.
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As usual, Reg brings a taste of class to the blog (NOT).
Wait for the dog vomit references…..
Do chiropractors claim to cure allergies, diabetes, and cancer by manipulating the spine?
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Not that I’ve ever seen.
In fact, it is against the law for any of the professions that are licensed by the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts to claim to be able to ‘cure’ anything.
In its assaults on a Democratic health care overhaul bill, the insurance industry uses facts selectively and mixes accurate assertions with misleading spin and an embrace of worst-case scenarios.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jd7XMGO_8Itxc4nllZY18KRpEEFQD9BBCK7G0
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And you say you’d rather have your healthcare left to the tender mercies of the Insurance industry? They’ve done such an outstanding job so far.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 14, 2009 at 7:32 pm | Permalink
‘Arctic to be ‘ice-free in summer’
The Arctic Ocean could be largely ice-free and open to shipping during the summer in as little as ten years’ time, a top polar specialist has said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8307272.stm
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Another warmer storey based on faulty data by Catlin Survey Team. I saw one on Yahoo Eews today as well. This along with Hansen’s faulty and unsubstantiated or erased data.
All you have MO is predictions made with faulty data or at best a guess.
‘Arctic ice cap ‘to disappear in future summers’‘
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jWn7eSQp39MVOw3K3DX1dTNFSSog
” “The summer ice cover will completely vanish in 20 to 30 years but in less than that it will have considerably retreated,” said Professor Peter Wadhams, head of the polar ocean physics group at Britain’s prestigious Cambridge University.
“In about 10 years, the Arctic ice will be considered as open sea.” “
And now, since we’ve returned to civil discourse I have a ’simple’ question for you.
After one of your predictible tiatribes about chiropractors last week didn’t you then chide me in a post for not ‘defending’ my wife?
‘PROFESSOR PETER WADHAMS’
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/pw11/
XXX writes: As usual, Reg brings a taste of class to the blog (NOT).
Wait for the dog vomit references…..
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Oh, and I thought HLP was your friend?
My bad, friendship only extends to your political convenience line and MonkeyHock can make disparging remarks about Hank’s wife, Congress Tiahrt’s dead son and good XXX will defend the Lib mantra.
Nice job XXX – did you train that the Benedict Arnold school of loyalty?
according to snopes Rush has a mixed record http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp
Obama Advisor, Robert Reich To Elderly “We’re Going To Let You Die!”
http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2009/10/obama-advisor-to-elderly-were-going-to.html
“You young healthy people- you’re going to have to pay more… And by the way… if you’re very old, we’re not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It’s too expensive, so we’re going to let you die.
Also… I’m going to use the bargaining leverage of the federal government… to force drug companies… to reduce their costs, but that means less innovation, and that means less new products, and less new drugs on the markets, which means you are probably not going to live that much longer than your parents.”
-Obama Advisor, Robert Reich
Mich. jobless rate creeps up to 15.3% in Sept.
UPDATED 2:45 PM — Michigan’s unemployment rate crept up in September to 15.3 percent, up from 15.2 percent in August.
A year ago, Michigan’s jobless rate was 8.9 percent.
The national unemployment rate in September was 9.8 percent.
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Where are all the jobs obama promised with the “stimulus”[sic] plan?
“Where are all the jobs obama promised with the “stimulus”[sic] plan?”
There were not enough shovels to go around for the shovel-ready jobs.
ANTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:13 am | Permalink
“You young healthy people- you’re going to have to pay more… And by the way… if you’re very old, we’re not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It’s too expensive, so we’re going to let you die.
Also… I’m going to use the bargaining leverage of the federal government… to force drug companies… to reduce their costs, but that means less innovation, and that means less new products, and less new drugs on the markets, which means you are probably not going to live that much longer than your parents.”
-Obama Advisor, Robert Reich
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It’s all for the Greater Good.
Hmm,
Crickets chirping.
Let the record note:
Monkeyhawk is unable to answer a ’simple’ question.
And Government decides what is for the Greater Good, or not.
And Government decides what is for the Greater Good, or not.
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Bring on the Obama Goose Steppers!
Sarah was right.
Robert Reich’s own words prove this.
” but that means less innovation, and that means less new products, and less new drugs on the markets, ”
Memo to: Research Dept:
From: Big Pharma
Don’t develop any new drugs.
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BS.
Senator Roberts has made The Colbert Report. “Can’t We Lasso Up a Better Bill?
Last night, Stephen Colbert and Republican Senator Pat Roberts had (a little too much) fun with metaphors while discussing health care. Spending quicksand, cactus tax hikes, and policy briar patches, anyone?”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/
ANTI and JJ,
I fear because of the reckless spending attitude and ignorance of keeping the dollar strong, our children and grandchildren will become slaves to the indebtedness of the U.S.
There will be no choice other than from the menu of government.
It becomes more and more important the reason for the second amendment is to protect the first amendment and those who would impose their socialistic tyranny upon those not yet born.
“Hank is good people and would do anything to help people out.”
I must’ve missed where the poster has ever met Hank.
Dear Hank,
Are you still researching your proof for your “admirers”. . .?
“Good people” do not find it amusing that there are millions of Americans without health care.
BlueJay
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink
“Hank is good people and would do anything to help people out.”
I must’ve missed where the poster has ever met Hank.
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You’d be surprised and shocked who I have met or know.
I fear because of the reckless spending attitude and ignorance of keeping the dollar strong, our children and grandchildren will become slaves to the indebtedness of the U.S.
There will be no choice other than from the menu of government.
It becomes more and more important the reason for the second amendment is to protect the first amendment and those who would impose their socialistic tyranny upon those not yet born.
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Great numbers of us share your concern.
“Good people” do not find it amusing that there are millions of Americans without health care.
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Obama Advisor, Robert Reich To Elderly “We’re Going To Let You Die!”
I rather doubt that.
ANTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink
I fear because of the reckless spending attitude and ignorance of keeping the dollar strong, our children and grandchildren will become slaves to the indebtedness of the U.S.
There will be no choice other than from the menu of government.
It becomes more and more important the reason for the second amendment is to protect the first amendment and those who would impose their socialistic tyranny upon those not yet born.
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Great numbers of us share your concern.
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Oh, don’t record guns and ammos sales clearly show how many Americans share this concern?
This two year old speech clip is a hypothetical and it is taken out of the larger context of his entire speech. “I will actually give you a speech made up entirely–almost at the spur of the moment”
Reich served on the Obama economic transition team when BHO took office, but I am unaware that he is advising the President on health care reform.
I’d undertake to explain his individual points, but I have learned to not waste words on those who have no ears.
Regular isn’t your entire life subsidized by the government? What are you going to with the 2nd amendment against the government, start a rebellion? All one has to is look at the community reaction to the shooting of Deputy Etheridge to see that killing LEO’s is a bad idea
BeeJay-
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink
“Good people” do not find it amusing that there are millions of Americans without health care.
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“Good people” have health care.
“Good people” are responsible people.
“Good people” don’t look for hand outs.
“Good people” don’t need hand outs.
Obama Advisor, Robert Reich To Elderly “We’re Going To Let You Die!”
Heh HEH!
Rush is still whining. What is really puzzling is the slack jawed idiots who won’t make in a lifetime what fat mouth makes in an hour who are on his side.
By how much did the Arctic sea ice expand this year?
To his credit, JMWalker brought up the “fourth estate” yesterday in a post.
From Wiki, the other estates:
The term “Fifth Estate” has no fixed meaning, but is used to describe any class or group in society other than the clergy (First Estate), the nobility (Second Estate), the commoners (Third Estate), and the press (Fourth Estate).[1] It has been used to describe trade unions, the poor, the blogosphere and organized crime.
Nimmo and Combs assert that political pundits constitute a Fifth Estate.[2] Media researcher Stephen D. Cooper argues that bloggers are the Fifth Estate.
Author Oscar Wilde wrote:
In old days men had the rack. Now they have the press. That is an improvement certainly. But still it is very bad, and wrong, and demoralizing. Somebody — was it Burke? — called journalism the fourth estate. That was true at the time no doubt. But at the present moment it is the only estate. It has eaten up the other three. The Lords Temporal say nothing, the Lords Spiritual have nothing to say, and the House of Commons has nothing to say and says it. We are dominated by Journalism.
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The American public has become so reactionary and so dependent on the fourth and fifth estates, that they have lost their ability to think indepently and of their own original thoughts.
O’BAMA can’t squeeze one out without first getting some sort of poll or an MSM reaction on what he should do.
O’BAMA is a poll and media driven Presidency – incapable of independent and prudent thought.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 15, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink
‘Arctic ice cap ‘to disappear in future summers’‘
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jWn7eSQp39MVOw3K3DX1dTNFSSog
” “The summer ice cover will completely vanish in 20 to 30 years but in less than that it will have considerably retreated,” said Professor Peter Wadhams, head of the polar ocean physics group at Britain’s prestigious Cambridge University.
“In about 10 years, the Arctic ice will be considered as open sea.” “
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Your guesstimate 10-20 years into the future is only as good as the data used to make the guess. Wadhams relies on faulty or fraudulent data from an Insurnce company who wants to jack up rates.
Mo likes to roll the dice. I bet he has his
retirement portfolio in lottery tickets.
What role is Robert Reich currently holding in the administration? Anyone?
DavidB
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink
What role is Robert Reich currently holding in the administration? Anyone?
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Designated Dwarf
ANTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink
I fear because of the reckless spending attitude and ignorance of keeping the dollar strong, our children and grandchildren will become slaves to the indebtedness of the U.S.
There will be no choice other than from the menu of government.
It becomes more and more important the reason for the second amendment is to protect the first amendment and those who would impose their socialistic tyranny upon those not yet born.
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Great numbers of us share your concern.
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Too bad nobody was voicing that “concern” long before Obama came along. But it’s great to see so many of my conservative friends finally getting “religion” when it comes to fiscal responsibility.
No matter what we do, our children and grand children are condemned to become “slaves” to US indebtedness. That die was cast long ago and we’re waaaaaayyyyy past being able to do anything about it, much less un-do it.
We decided to mortagage our children’s future decades ago, so lets not start crying about it now. It’s not like we’d do anything about it anyway. God forbid that we should sacrifice for our children.
Keep in mind that when you point your finger at Obama, three of your fingers are pointed back at YOU.
BlueJay
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink
Heh HEH!
Rush is still whining.
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Not whining quite as loud as The “reverend” Al or the “reverend” Jackson….
hee HAW !!
With all the druggies, dog fighters, gun totin’ thugs and wife beaters in the NFL they didn’t want Rush to own a team?
hee HAW !
They should have fined him $30k and let him in…
The St. Louis Rams have enough problems. They don’t need anything to do with Rush.
His first job was with the KC Royals. Look at what he did to them.
MO thinks that science is based on these steps.
1) Make a prediction that will make the biggest profits for Insurance Companies and Carbon Credit Traders.
2) Pick a team of Non professional surveyors to measure the Arctic ice to only measure thin ice.
3) Make sure that only AGW alarmists get the data.
biased1
Posted October 15, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink
“Good people” have health care.
“Good people” are responsible people.
“Good people” don’t look for hand outs.
“Good people” don’t need hand outs.
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Boy, have you lead a sheltered life.
“Good people” have health care.
Until they lose their job. Does getting laid off make you “bad people”?
“Good people” are responsible people.
Should be, Responsible people ar good people.
“Good people” don’t look for hand outs.
So these “Good people” don’t deserve help when they’re down and out?
“Good people” don’t need hand outs.
Until they do.
Biased 1, you need some “seasoning”.
blowJay-
His first job was with the KC Royals. Look at what he did to them.
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Helped them keep George Brett?
what an a-hole!
Obama’s Deficits To Double The National Debt
Along with the President’s request for a record $3.6 trillion budget for FY2010, he also submitted to Congress and the CBO his spending plans for the next decade. These numbers shocked even many of those who initially supported the $787 billion stimulus package. What follows are Obama’s projected annual deficits for FY2009 and the next 10 fiscal years according to the non-partisan CBO:
2009
$1.845
trillion
2010
$1.379
trillion
2011
$970
billion
2012
$658
billion
2013
$672
billion
2014
$749
Billion
2015
$785
billion
2016
$895 billion
2017
$945
Billion
2018
$1.023
trillion
2019
$1.189
trillion
TOTAL $11.11 Trillion
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10014/selected_tables.xls
XXXXXXX- suggests
Biased 1, you need some “seasoning”.
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Good people wind up footing the bill for bad people.
Good people do not need to pay for the bad people.
Good people pay too many taxes.
Good people need to put up the “tittay”
“This is not about the NFL, it’s not about the St. Louis Rams, it’s not about me,” Limbaugh said. “This is about the ongoing effort by the left in this country, wherever you find them, in the media, the Democrat Party, or wherever, to destroy conservatism, to prevent the mainstreaming of anyone who is prominent as a conservative.
“Therefore, this is about the future of the United States of America and what kind of country we’re going to have.”
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Sorry, Rush: it is about you. It’s about you and your fellow right wing pundits who have stolen the Conservative Party and turned it into a sad remnant of itself. It’s about stopping the Rush Limbaughs, the Glen Becks, the Michelle Milkens. the Bill O’Reillys, the Ann Coulters and the rest of your kind who have nothing good to say about this country if it doesn’t get down on its knees and worship at you alter.
It’s about real human beings expressing their views about a bigoted human being, and their wish to keep him from buying into a sport millions enjoy. The NFL doesn’t want or need you, so feel free to take your million and whine in silence; nobody likes a whiner.
JMTalker-
The NFL doesn’t want or need you, so feel free to take your million and whine in silence; nobody likes a whiner.
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We don’t need no stinkin’ loudmouth rich reformed druggie tellin’ our loud mouth rich reformed druggie, gang bangin’, gun totin’, wife beatin’, tax cheats how to play FOOTBALL!!!!
There, fixed it.
#
biased1
Posted October 15, 2009 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
We don’t need no stinkin’ loudmouth rich reformed druggie tellin’ our loud mouth rich reformed druggie, gang bangin’, gun totin’, wife beatin’, tax cheats how to play FOOTBALL!!!!
There, fixed it.
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I take it you’re not a football fan?
donndublin,
You should quit your boring, childish whining, and instead post your sea ice data, and your sea ice credentials.
‘PROFESSOR PETER WADHAMS’
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/pw11/
I dunno, “HLP” –
Cite the comment you allege.
If it happened, I’ll be glad to apologize for bringing your wife into the conversation. (Still, it seems a little bit hyprocitical
As for your non-denial denail “… it is against the law for any of the professions that are licensed by the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts to claim to be able to ‘cure’ anything.”
Yeah.
It’s “against the law” to murder people, too.
Still happens.
So, is your sole experience with chiro-quackery limited to lower back pain?
No claims to provide relief for any other ailments?
No worries if insurance companies and Medicare and Medicaid stopped sending those chiro-quackters money; they’d all make it all in their back-rubbing business on a free-market basis?
Good for you!
I know a gal who will burn sage and chant Navajo prayers over your body and prevent erectile dysfunction. She doesn’t charge Medicare, Medicaid, or Blue Cross for her services, though.
By Shaun Waterman THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Senators diverted $2.6 billion in funds in a defense spending bill to pet projects largely at the expense of accounts that pay for fuel, ammunition and training for U.S. troops, including those fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to an analysis.
Among the 778 such projects, known as earmarks, packed into the bill: $25 million for a new World War II museum at the University of New Orleans and $20 million to launch an educational institute named after the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat.
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Great thing for saint teddy. Exerpts from his book has him bragging about bedding thousands of women, paying out $10 million to irate husbands, parents, abused girlfriends, etc.,
Sure take money from the troops and give them to this grand cause. What is this country coming to?
Too bad nobody was voicing that “concern” long before Obama came along.-XXX
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Agreed.
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Keep in mind that when you point your finger at Obama, three of your fingers are pointed back at YOU.-XXX
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WOW, that’s original.
Snark aside, I generally agree with your points however, I am not going to give up. I am sorry you seem to have given up.
What is your sea ice credentials cosmos?
Are you a qualified scientifically trained researcher able to translate findings?
I think not since you already admitted you had the bare minimum science courses in college.
You know, football player level biology and general science on the 8th grade level.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 15, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
I dunno, “HLP” –
Cite the comment you allege.
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You lie. There’s no need to ‘cite the cmment I allege’.
Do you deny you wrote it?
And since we feel the need to ‘cite’ things can you give me any verifiable example of a chiroprator claiming to ‘cure’ anything?
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As for your non-denial denail “… it is against the law for any of the professions that are licensed by the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts to claim to be able to ‘cure’ anything.”
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You intentionally misrepresent my comments.
My I answered your simple question with a simple answer as you requested,
“Not that I’ve ever seen.”
I know a lot of chiropractors. I’ve never heard one of them claim to ‘cure’ anything. I’ve never seen them write in any of their literature that they could ‘cure’ anything. I’ve never seen a yellowpage ad by a chiropractor, or any other healthcare professional for that matter, that claimed they could ‘cure’ anything.
On the other hand, your answer to my question was a classic ‘non-denial’.
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Simple question,
After one of your predictible tiatribes about chiropractors last week didn’t you then chide me in a post for not ‘defending’ my wife?
Yes or no, Monkeyhawk.
You know the answer.
Yes or no.
It’s about stopping the Rush Limbaughs, the Glen Becks, the Michelle Milkens. the Bill O’Reillys, the Ann Coulters and the rest of your kind…
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Obviously written by a true believer in the Constitution.
What is wrong with you people?
Are you that jealous of success?
Who is Michelle Milkens?
regular- You know, football player level biology and general science on the 8th grade level.
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Remember our motto….
“better to cheat than repeat”
ready…………break!
Please don’t anybody tell Obama what comes after Trillion
I have met HLP,and WS and although they are miles apart politically,I found them both to genuine honest decent people who don’t let politics be their judge of a person’s worth
Yes or no, Monkeyhawk.
You know the answer.
If you say yes it proves you are a liar. If you say no it proves you are a liar.
So, I guess your answer is irrelevant. You are a liar either way.
An interesting predicument you are in.
Liar.
HLP
Posted October 15, 2009 at 1:23 pm | Permalink
Yes or no, Monkeyhawk.
You know the answer.
If you say yes it proves you are a liar. If you say no it proves you are a liar.
So, I guess your answer is irrelevant. You are a liar either way.
An interesting predicument you are in.
Liar.
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Maybe he just “mis-typed”……
Thanks for the kind words, Freebird. Most of the bloggers I’ve met seemed to be pretty good people. You included.
Maybe he just “mis-typed”……
Maybe.
But we now know that he is a liar.
Well Hank,
I would complement you simply because we were the same person however, it appears that I am Regular now. So you have already received said complement.
It’s hard to keep up with the Blog Nic Decider.
NTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 1:11 pm | Permalin
Obviously written by a true believer in the Constitution.
What is wrong with you people?
Are you that jealous of success?
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Hardly. It’s the way they have turned the Grand Old Party to a party that denies its own members. It’s they way they have resorted to lies and innuendo in an attempt to turn people to their way of thinking. It’s the fact they would rather see this country fail, then search for a constructive mechanism to rebuild the GOP. It has nothing to do with the Constitution or freedom of speech, but does have everything to do with rebuilding this country to where it actually cares both for and about it’s people. Something your teabagging puppets could care less about.
But if you want to drink their kool-aid and worship at their alter, be my guest. Maybe that’s where you belong.
And do you for one minute think those morons give a cr ap about you or the Republican party? I got that bridge I’ll sell you real cheap: It’s all about the money.
It’s OK, ANTI. Regular is not a bad guy. I could deal with being Regular.
You could be trying to deal with being Minutelady. Some mornings I don’t know what panty drawer to open.
Anti,
Get it straight He is the Supreme Blog Ruler and the rest of us are lower tier bloggers,don’t want to incur his wrath ya know
Some mornings I don’t know what panty drawer to open.
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LMAO!
It’s all about the money.
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No schitt.
cosmos_originally
Posted October 15, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink
donndublin,
You should quit your boring, childish whining, and instead post your sea ice data, and your sea ice credentials.
‘PROFESSOR PETER WADHAMS’
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/pw11/
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MO, What do you think if Exxon Mobile or Coal Company would hire a survey team to take measurements and gather data for a computer model. You would be the first attack their motives. They might hire professional surveyors and techincians for one thing.
Most of the data used are estimates and not actual measurements. In order to have precise or accurate data, millions of measurements would be needed. This could not have been achieved with the methods the Catlin survey team used. The team experienced all kinds of equipment malfunctions and didn’t finish the getting the necessary data.
Anybody with engineering skills would know the practical applications and methodology. This wasn’t done by the so called “survey team” the Catlin Group used. I analyze and process data for a living from licensed professional surveyors and drill testing laboratories. I’m very familiar with their data gathering methods.
I wouldn’t be the least surprised if such a project will be done for the greater interests.
JMWalker
Posted October 15, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
…..nobody likes a whiner.
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Oh the irony!
ANTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 1:07 pm | Permalink
Too bad nobody was voicing that “concern” long before Obama came along.-XXX
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Agreed.
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Keep in mind that when you point your finger at Obama, three of your fingers are pointed back at YOU.-XXX
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WOW, that’s original.
Snark aside, I generally agree with your points however, I am not going to give up. I am sorry you seem to have given up.
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Bro, I’m a realist. I’d like to see things change, but the kind of change you’re talking just isn’t going to happen short of taking down the government. Several cons have stated that when it gets to the point that people realize that they can vote themselves money, it’s all over. I agree. And I believe we’ve reached that point.
Bro, I’m a realist. I’d like to see things change, but the kind of change you’re talking just isn’t going to happen short of taking down the government.
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I understand. Maybe I just need more years of getting kicked in the gut.
I’m stubborn that way, and I intend to fight.
Well, I’m off to answer phone calls for my horses and feed my wife.
Some awesomeness from the front. Depleted uranium is cool.
http://uruknet.info/index.php?p=m58926&hd=&size=1&l=e
donndublin does not have any credible sea ice data, and does not have any sea ice credentials — so all that donndublin can do is continue with the boring, childish whining.
I’m gone too. It’s been fun.
Let the recor show that Monkeyhawk, unable to anwser a ’simple’ question, has been proven a liar.
chow
recor = record
liar = Monkeyhawk
Let the record show that Hank failed to prove to his “admirers” the false claims made in his Heritage link at 6:16 am.
“HLP” –
I don’t remember.
Show me where I did.
Y’know, cite where I offended you.
Simple as that.
Hank writes, Help me here, I’m just a poor old guy struggling to understand the universe.
Okay, Hank.
For starters, it’s older than 10 thousand years.
More like 14 and one half BILLION years old . . .
Who thinks the universe is billions of years old and not thousand of years old?
Albert Einstein, for one.
Stephen Hawking, for another
And every other physicist at every other accredited college and university in the world.
One the other side stand Hank and Nathan, pounding their Bibles.
Kinda sad.
For starters, it’s older than 10 thousand years.
More like 14 and one half BILLION years old . . .
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Who cares, you whiny bicth?
You do, Anti.
You know damn well that if Hank is so willfully ignorant to claim the universe is one-one millionth as old as it actually is, then he doesn’t know enough about anything re: physical sciences to talk about it.
And thanks for the gratuitous ad homenim . . . one just can’t get enough of that around here.
It doesn’t matter to me if the Universe is 10,000 thousand years old, or 85 trillion years old.
Doesn’t change anything that is going on today, tomorrow, or yesterday for that matter.
Hey Capn’A, the age of the universe doesn’t determine all aspects of physical science.
Stick to teaching English.
I had a co-worker try to explain to me a while ago, that the Earth was a little over 6000 years old.
This guy was a degreed engineer.
He helps determine the safety of aircraft components.
I told him that it would help to explain how the pyramids were built. The dinosaurs helped heave them stones. Easy.
The age of the universe is as about as relevant as GW is when it comes to what is going on. I don’t give scht about either
For example Capn’A,
Would all the principles of physics change if it was determined that the universe was 15 trillion years old rather than 14.5 billion?
Would apples stop dropping from trees?
Or would aircraft parts become less safe?
This is one of those recurring, delightful moments on WE Blog when CONs fall all over themselves to strut out their willful ignorance.
I mean… they’re wallowing in it.
If health insurance reform would pay for love offerings to faith healers the CONs would vote it in today.
Leave no Benny Hinn behind!
ANTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
Well, I’m off to answer phone calls for my horses and feed my wife.
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I wonder if ANTI knows the difference??
Freebie,
Yes, it makes a difference. Hank thinks the universe is static and an old guy up in the clouds pulls the strings that make it spin whenever the whim strikes him. GW on the other hand presupposes a dynamic universe that operates on the laws of physics, and that events are to an extent predictable.
And it just doesn’t matter if airplane parts break. Just pray they’ll fix themselves.
Ant,
“Or would aircraft parts become less safe?”
I suppose it would be more comforting to think that the aluminum beneath you is only 6,000 years old rather than 7-9 billion.
I wonder if ANTI knows the difference??
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I don’t have to feed my wife with a straw.
I suppose it would be more comforting to think that the aluminum beneath you is only 6,000 years old rather than 7-9 billion.
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Is there a difference between the youthful aluminium and the elderly aluminum?
I always assumed it was the purity and consistencies harnessed by man made processes.
But I’m not an “Artist” or Community College English teacher…
HLP
Posted October 15, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink
Well, children,
When you own horses you are a hero twice a day. Time to feed and do chores.
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ANTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
Well, I’m off to answer phone calls for my horses and feed my wife.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……..
Did your Nerf Bat break, Capn’A?
Rush on a roll today again. I love to read what he has to say about the Dems and libs. Many are running scared!
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101509/content/01125104.guest.html
Yeah, “george” –
When I was twelve I liked reading the Penthouse Forum. For pretty much the same reason your read Rush Limbaugh. Be sure to stock up on Kleenex.
Ok libs read this. Troop funds taken by Senators for their Pet Projects.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/troop-funds-diverted-to-pet-projects/
George, as we have seen daily here on this blog, truth matters not to some liberals, what is important to them is their result. You know who you are, and some are on this thread. They don’t like Rush Limbaugh so it is Ok with them that wackos make up personally destructive sheeit, because it advances their politics. And what’s more, they won’t deny it. Such are the morals of those we debate.
Jed ,
To you maybe but I could care less. Both Cosmos and Hank are entitled to their belifs,just as I am entitled to consider them of no importance.
To me, disregarding the idea of thinking in terms of millions and billions of years to think in terms of mere thousands is a scary notion. And because we think we need to teach more than just reading, writing and arithmetic in schools, then we all ought to agree that dinosaurs and Aristotle weren’t contemporaries.
Maybe not???
“interesting predicument”
It might be interesting if someone would define “predicument’. Is that when you drag your d*ck in the dirt or the cement?
Pleefer, surely certain parts of recorded history would change greatly, if we actually started teaching that dinosaurs and Aristotle were contemporaries… I agree with you
Dinosaurs and Aristotle
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2 shovel ready jobs.
It might be interesting if someone would define “predicument’. Is that when you drag your d*ck in the dirt or the cement?
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I dunno.
I would bet that a peck-ermint is something lodged in SED’s throat.
House Panel Paves Way for ‘Nuclear Option’ in Health Care Reform Bill
Fox News
The Ways and Means Committee has adjusted the health care overhaul package so that the Senate, down the road, could avoid a filibuster and pass health care reform with a smaller number of votes than normally required.
A key House committee on Thursday quietly altered its health care legislation in a way that could allow the Senate to mow over Republican opposition to Democratic reforms by exploiting a budgetary loophole.
The Ways and Means Committee adjusted its health care overhaul package so that the Senate, down the road, could avoid a filibuster and pass health care reform with a smaller number of votes than normally required.
The long-discussed process, nicknamed the “nuclear option,” is known as reconciliation. It’s coming into potential play after the Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday became the last of five committees to approve health care reform legislation, sending the overhaul proposals a big step closer to the president’s desk. Before it gets there, though, the bill has to pass from the committees to the floors of the House and Senate.
Will,
Were thngs a little tense at your house Sun afternoon re Pats vs Broncos?
Jeff Dunham To Play New Wichita Arena
The nationally known ventriloquist and comedian has listed a show date of March 12th at Wichita’s new Intrust Bank Arena.
Reporter: KAKE News
Now here is somethng I will probably attend
Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.
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Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Twitter Yahoo! Bookmarks Print By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer Mary Foster, Associated Press Writer – 14 mins ago
NEW ORLEANS – A Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have. Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long.
“I’m not a racist. I just don’t believe in mixing the races that way,” Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. “I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else.”
Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple. If they are, he does not marry them, he said.
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
“There is a problem with both groups accepting a child from such a marriage,” Bardwell said. “I think those children suffer and I won’t help put them through it.”
If he did an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said.
“I try to treat everyone equally,” he said.
Bardwell estimates that he has refused to marry about four couples during his career, all in the past 2 1/2 years.
Beth Humphrey, 30, and 32-year-old Terence McKay, both of Hammond, say they will consult the U.S. Justice Department about filing a discrimination complaint.
Humphrey, an account manager for a marketing firm, said she and McKay, a welder, just returned to Louisiana. She is white and he is black. She plans to enroll in the University of New Orleans to pursue a masters degree in minority politics.
“That was one thing that made this so unbelievable,” she said. “It’s not something you expect in this day and age.”
Humphrey said she called Bardwell on Oct. 6 to inquire about getting a marriage license signed. She says Bardwell’s wife told her that Bardwell will not sign marriage licenses for interracial couples. Bardwell suggested the couple go to another justice of the peace in the parish who agreed to marry them.
“We are looking forward to having children,” Humphrey said. “And all our friends and co-workers have been very supportive. Except for this, we’re typical happy newlyweds.”
“It is really astonishing and disappointing to see this come up in 2009,” said American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana attorney Katie Schwartzmann. She said the Supreme Court ruled in 1967 “that the government cannot tell people who they can and cannot marry.”
The ACLU sent a letter to the Louisiana Judiciary Committee, which oversees the state justices of the peace, asking them to investigate Bardwell and recommending “the most severe sanctions available, because such blatant bigotry poses a substantial threat of serious harm to the administration of justice.”
“He knew he was breaking the law, but continued to do it,” Schwartzmann said.
According to the clerk of court’s office, application for a marriage license must be made three days before the ceremony because there is a 72-hour waiting period. The applicants are asked if they have previously been married. If so, they must show how the marriage ended, such as divorce.
Other than that, all they need is a birth certificate and Social Security card.
The license fee is $35, and the license must be signed by a Louisiana minister, justice of the peace or judge. The original is returned to the clerk’s office.
“I’ve been a justice of the peace for 34 years and I don’t think I’ve mistreated anybody,” Bardwell said. “I’ve made some mistakes, but you have too. I didn’t tell this couple they couldn’t get married. I just told them I wouldn’t do it.”
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WTF? La,still stuck in the early 60’s?
ANTI
“It doesn’t matter to me if the Universe is 10,000 thousand years old, or 85 trillion years old.”
Well, it should if you knew anything about science.
If the universe were only 10,000 years old, we wouldn’t be here right now. We’d be enveloped in a super compressed sphere of rapidly expanding super hot plasma.
Because of the intense gravity, one minute of time in that very early universe would be perhaps one hundred or a thousand years of our time now.
As for the universe being a trillion years old, that’s not too likely either as our sun would have turned into a red giant far sooner than that and our earth would have gone careening toward the sun’s surface boiling the seas and eventually turning all Earthly matter into fused helium.
But thanks for letting the whole world know that CONs revel in their ignorance.
“There is a problem with both groups accepting a [mixed] child from such a marriage,” Bardwell said.
Gee . . . did anybody tell Mr. Bardwell who’s President of the United States right now?
Louisiana isnt stuck in the ’60’s… Just one racist justice of the peace… He should be censored right out of office…
GOP used “reconciliation” on these occasions:
– The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
– The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
– Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
– The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]
Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), who said any use of budget reconciliation by President Obama would be “regarded as an act of violence” against Republicans… Gregg defended using the reconciliation procedure to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for domestic drilling in 2005, arguing, “The president asked for it, and we’re trying to do what the president asked for.” Evidently, Gregg has lost the same sense of patriotic duty.
From: Mediamatters
Correction, above is from “Think Progress,” which offers the other uses of “reconciliation:
A list of instances where reconciliation was implemented:
Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981
Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983
Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993
Balanced Budget Act of 1995 (vetoed)
Personal Responsibility and Budget Reconciliation Act of 1996
Balanced Budget Act of 1997
Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999 (vetoed)
Marriage Tax Relief Act of 2000 (vetoed)
Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001
Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003
The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005
Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005
“Were thngs a little tense at your house Sun afternoon re Pats vs Broncos?”
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The shows why he is an English/Liberal Arts major when he makes this statement:
As for the universe being a trillion years old, that’s not too likely either as our sun would have turned into a red giant far sooner than that and our earth would have gone careening toward the sun’s surface boiling the seas and eventually turning all Earthly matter into fused helium.
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Ya know, I’m sure scientists would be shocked to hear the revelation of star morphing from dwarf to giant.
Mercy sakes, David… only 4 or 5 of those reconciliations were done with a Democrat President… Amazing the Republicans act like it is now something UnAmerican….
Even their idol, St. Ronald of Reagan was President for some of those reconciliations… Hmmmmmm… VERy interesting…. and provocative….
So, Will — Dodgers or Phillies?? Yankees or Angels??
re: Reconciliation
Yes David, when did any party try to force legislation that affects 1/6th of our economy on a permanent basis?
Speaking of Lousiana, Governor Bobby “We don’t need no Stimulus money! Hey! Here’s your stimulus money I got for the state!” Jindel was defended by Obama when the crowd jeered at Jindel’s name>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmfLTLU2vO0&feature=player_embedded
Regular is always moving the bar…
DavidB
Posted October 15, 2009 at 7:55 pm | Permalink
Regular is always moving the bar…
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Yep.
Reconciliation has been used, but usually on temporary legislation and nothing of the magnitude of health care reform that could change the landscape of the U.S. economy.
DavidB — That is always his Schtick…
I am rooting for Dodgers v. Angels in the Series.
Hate the Yankees – best team that money can buy, and then some.
Phillie’s are okay, but would rather see a freeway series.
Albert (best player in baseball) Pujols is out with his Cards, so let’s see some excitement in the Series.
Chas
Posted October 15, 2009 at 8:03 pm | Permalink
DavidB — That is always his Schtick…
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That’s what makes me independent in politics and intellectual endeavors.
I don’t want to be a sheep or a head nodder.
Keep the tencil on the toad, “Regular.”
Will, I had thought the Angels/Phillies would be the two best in the Series… But, I wouldnt mind seeing Dodgers/Angels…
I called Phillies/Angels the week before the Division series’ started… So, now I am just going to enjoy watching Dodgers/Phillies… should be really GOOD baseball… no matter which one wins…
The best thing, again this year… The World Series will be played OUTDOORS — where it should be… I have long had mixed feelings about “indoor” baseball..
Moran reported to the Federal Election Commission on Thursday that he has more than $3.4 million in cash on hand, up from $3.1 million at the end of July. Tiahrt began and ended the reporting period with about $1.4 million available.
For the period through the end of September, Moran says he raised more than $520,000. Tiahrt reports raising more than $341,000 for the same period.
Lawrence Journal World
Careful what you wish for Libs:
In Congress, Moran has a largely conservative voting record. However, he has a considerable independent streak. The Southwest Daily Times once quoted him as saying, “I will always put Kansans ahead of the pressures in Washington”—a quote he posted on his Web site. He opposed No Child Left Behind, and unlike most congressmen from rural districts, opposed the Medicare reform package of 2003.
Some environmentalist groups have criticized Moran for his votes on various environment-related issues. These include his support for both offshore drilling and drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
I don’t know a “lib” who wants Moran in Kansas politics. I do know many who want Tiahrt out of Kansas politics. The important thing here is one of them will take the other out!
Second that, L.
I could not imagine anyone worse to represent Kansas in the Senate than Todd Tiahrt. Really, the man is an embarrassment to humankind.
At least with Moran we can show home movies on his forehead.
Hey, gang!
This is sure to put the fear of God in the hearts of CONs!
I just got polled!
(In a nice way, I mean.)
It was mostly about health insurance reform, largely slanted to Repubic Party talking points.
There was a section when the guy said he was going to cite arguments “…both for and against reform…” then reeled off a dozen “arguments” that began, “Critics say Obama…” is gonna kill your mama, replace pharmaceutical research with toad nipples and bats’ wings, voodoo, and charge you personally a trillion dollars and put you in prison if you don’t like it….
The pollster was calling from Atlanta which makes me suspect the survey might have been commissioned by CNN. But who knows.
So I now represent 34,984 families across America in upcoming poll results!
Come on it should be ‘Tensel on the Toad.’ Xmas is coming up ya’ll.
ANTI
Posted October 15, 2009 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
It might be interesting if someone would define “predicument’. Is that when you drag your d*ck in the dirt or the cement?
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I dunno.
I would bet that a peck-ermint is something lodged in SED’s throat.
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That’s real cute Anti. I am betting it’s more likely something stuck of your stinky azz.
Ahem, Steven, that would be Tinsel for Christmas Season… LOL
Here’s a good example why the repubs insist we keep the free market insurance system:
Rather than continue to pay for Ian Pearl’s million dollar medical treatments, one insurance company has decided to end certain lines of coverage altogether, reports William Ehart of the Washington Times. Pearl, 37, suffers from Type II spinal muscular dystrophy, and has been using a wheel chair and connected to a breathing tube for most of his life. Patients with his type of muscular dystrophy rarely live past infancy, but Peal credits his vitality to the care he has received all his life.
On December 1 his insurer, Guardian, is discontinuing a portion of its coverage, which will effectively kill him. Without his extensive coverage Pearl will be admitted to a state hospital under Medicaid, with less treatment. Pearl’s mother said that in a state hospital her son would be lucky to live more than a few weeks. Pearl’s plan, as of now, covers 24-hour home nursing, which Medicaid, and the vast majority of plans, do not.
“This is attempted murder” said his father, Warren, “the insurance companies are cheating in order to have obscene profits.” Last year Guardian reported $437 million profits, up 50 percent from 2007.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/15/father-calls-insurance-co_n_322837.html
Ahh…the ethics are to be applauded in the Obama administration.
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abo3Zo0ifzJg
Like Roberts might say: “Tiart and Moran are going to be like the shootout at the OK Corral” and the public will be better off when only one is left standing.
Because of the intense gravity, one minute of time in that very early universe would be perhaps one hundred or a thousand years of our time now.
But just think how long you’d live to be the equivalent of 60 now! (I’ve put my Con hat on).
HLP
Posted October 15, 2009 at 9:25 am | Permalink
When you write or say falsehoods about someone that cause him to lose moneyin a business association, you can be held liable for damages.
He’s going after them.
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Is Rush going to use the ACLU again to save his sorry butt? I seem to recall the ACLU saved his big butt the last time it was in trouble.
Rush was only a minor partner in one of 6 bids for this team – so Rush is not even a major player in this deal – is he?
Besides, we all know that Rush simply manipulated this whole situation to make himself look like a victim (again) and to take some of that publicity thunder away from Glenn Beck.
Beck is giving Rush a run for his money and perhaps Rush’s ego doesn’t like it?
okobserver
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Great thing for saint teddy. Exerpts from his book has him bragging about bedding thousands of women, paying out $10 million to irate husbands, parents, abused girlfriends, etc.,
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But it is okay for Sen. John Ensign to pay his mistress (oh, let me correct that – Ensign’s PARENTS pay his mistress), her irate husband and even her kids?
yeah, grannie, your Republicans are by far the better people with real family values.
If you believe that – then I’ve got a bridge to nowhere for you to jump off.
“Besides, we all know that Rush simply manipulated this whole situation to make himself look like a victim (again) and to take some of that publicity thunder away from Glenn Beck”
Wow. An all knowing totoinks. Where did you pull that thought from?