Obama slips below 40 percent in Kansas

WA Obama VisitSeptember was a rough month for President Obama in Kansas, judging from the latest SurveyUSA poll co-sponsored by KWCH, Channel 12. Only 39 percent of Kansans surveyed approve of the job he’s doing, down six percentage points in a month and down 23 points since he took office. The month ended with approval ratings for Sens. Pat Roberts and Sam Brownback slipping a few percentage points to 54 and 48 percent, respectively. Gov. Mark Parkinson saw his approval number rise four points to 53 percent, the highest in his five months in office.

117 Comments

  1. Posted October 4, 2009 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Like Matthew Asher of Holton who is being kept alive by government Medicare provided dialysis and yet rails against government programs, Kansans do not all know where their best interests lie.

    Everyone knows our medical delivery system is broken and is harming businesses, the economy and individuals, yet Roberts and Brownback and Tiahrt and Jenkins join the Republican campaign to disrupt the reforms for narrow political purposes.

    Let’s get it done in a bipartisan manner and move on to other pressing issues.

  2. Cynical
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    These polls are taken by liberal media outlets; the Kenyans real numbers are much lower; Impeach this moron before he destroys the Constitution and America

  3. Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    The polls are taken by professional researchers, the President is American, impeachment requires conviction of “high crimes and misdmeanors,” and the the Constitution is protected by a checks and balances system that has served well for over 200 years.

    The destruction I see happening is the destruction of civil discourse based on reason and facts, and Mr. Cynical is playing a part in that destruction.

  4. Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    As we learned during the Clinton debacle, “DavidB” –

    Impeachment is an act of politics, not justice.

    Any majority of any House of Representatives can bring articles of impeachment. For any reason.

    Just as electing the Speaker of the House is purely a party-line vote, every new Congress should follow up electing the Speaker with a bill of impeachment. Doesn’t mean the Senate is required to try the President on what would most certainly be specious charges. But it’d be there. A partisan Sword of Damocles.

    Just last week CONs were trying to gin up interest in a military coup against this President.

    With today’s CONs we’re not dealing with people who give a rat’s ass about the Constitution. We have people who rant about “Death Panels,” “Reeducation CONcentration Camps,” mandatory abortion; we have birthers, bombers, assassins, twice-borns, unborns, and so-called “champions of ‘Family Values’” who believe marriage is a sacred bond between one man, one woman, a your hot Argentinian girlfriend (or a $1,000-a-night hooker who’ll dress up up in diapers.)

  5. Regular
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:02 am | Permalink
    The polls are taken by professional researchers
    —————–
    Then, they should have no objections to occasionally swithch to Rasmussen polls. :)

  6. Regular
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:02 am | Permalink
    The polls are taken by professional researchers
    —————–
    Then, they should have no objections to occasionally swithch to Rasmussen polls. :)

  7. Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    “Regular” –

    You can say that again.

  8. Cynical
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Right davidb; the only President in history with a sealed birth certificate; he must really be proud to be an ( American)

  9. george
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Obama vow breaker of course us cons knew that. This is the one on Cap & Trade cost if it passes, I hope it doesn’t.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/cap_and_conceal_yM1Id6eIG0FGVuGHc8sesJ

  10. Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    NOBODY cares what Kansas people think. I was born and raised in this backwater duchy and I could not care less what Kansas people think.

  11. wichhick
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    bj.people really do care what Kansans think……..probably what they think but are not willing to commit although more each day are……as to you i think you should move…………probably not in the U.S. as no one would have you…..leave your son so he can have a life……..not influenced by you

  12. Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    There WAS a time when Kansas was a pioneer in national thought. But it was populist and progressive in nature then. Now? Kansas is just a notch in the bible belt. And that particular notch isn’t even useful anymore as the waist of the con nation has shrank considerably.

  13. Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    “wichhick” has apparently achieved personal perfection and so is offering parenting advice to an internet stranger –

    “…leave your son so he can have a life…not influenced by you”

    Ah, can’t ya just feel the christian love!

    Child abandonment!

    That’s what Jesus would do!

  14. lindainks55
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Kansas has SIX electoral votes and all six can be counted on by the Republican Party.

    This isn’t news and doesn’t change anything. The Republican Party doesn’t win at the national level by assuring the same electoral votes they had in the last election.

    Here’s where the Republican Party finished the last presidential election, and a realistic view of how far they have to go to become relevant in the next national election (that’s if they find a candidate Independents and Moderates could vote for!):

    Obama 365
    McCain 173

    Dem pickups (vs. 2004): CO FL IN IA NV NM NC OH VA
    GOP pickups (vs. 2004): (None)

  15. Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Being SO happy that Kansas is reliably red, you cons don’t see just how irrelevant this state really is on the national scene. For the Republican party, Kansas is the girl you can have a good time with without buying flowers or dinner. Then they’ll take money outta your purse and crawl out the window.

  16. wichhick
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    and as usual monkey has nothing to say……..bj says he hates his kid…………maybe you and bj can liver together

  17. wichhick
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    bj.i suspect they crawl out your window after they realize what you are and how you feel about your kid

  18. wichhick
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    besides they don’t take your money…….remember you don’t work (as a matter of principal)

  19. Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Right, “wichhick” –

    Ol’ “Monkeyhawk” doesn’t post anything worth responding to except… uhm… you responded.

    You took valuable time off from keeping the tencil on the toad to respond with… uhm… not responding.

    You CONs are so entertaining sometimes.

    As you and anyone who’s paid a whit of attention knows, “BlueJay” is an entrepreneur; an Independent Contractor. He keeps a roof over his head and food on the table and has led a life in which he has time to be a father for his kid.

    Your mileage may vary.

  20. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    bj…if you hate this state so much, why stay here? Course, with your hate filled attitude, you would probably hate anywhere else, but that is another matter.

    are you being FORCED to stay here? locked up, maybe? Tied to a chair and not “allowed” to leave?

    I know if I hated a place even half as much as you profess to hate this state, I would have packed and left long ago.

    You can live off the state elsewhere..California is great for that. course, that state is bankrupt, but that is not your concern.

    seriously…you have posted many many times how much you hate this state. why on earth do you stay? are you just a masochist?

  21. Jed
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    A. Kansas was never in the running for the Olympics.
    B. Football isn’t an Olympic sport anyway.
    So why are Kansans so upset about Obama?

  22. Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Hey it may just be because of his Kansas connection. But at least then candidate Obama visited here.

    Think Kansas will see lil’ Sarah? Anybody see plasticon Mittens Romney touching down here?

  23. Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    If memory serves me Raptor, you are not from here. At least I have an excuse.

    You come from somewhere else and KANSAS was the best you could do? This is where you came for opportunity? Really?

    So, maybe I am wrong? Is there a vast unknown pool of youth out there who dream of making a life in Kansas?

  24. wichhick
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    monkey..so when are you and bj going to start livering together?

  25. Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Sigh…

    I guess this means the indeterminate delay of my dream of a fence on the Oklahoma border…

    Someday. Someday. The ox is slow. But the Earth is patient.

  26. Pleefer
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    I haven’t read an answer to why (if you hate the place so much) you stay in this “red” state?

    Did Obaaama even get 40% of the vote here anyway?

    Also, knowing the constitution and knowing that these law makers were only supposed to convene once a year, not live there and certainly not make a farging living off of being one, if Kansans and every other state thinks that keeping these arsehole, career politicians in office is wise, one only has to look around to every problem and concern that is going on right now (and prior to today) to understand that the only interest that these Brownback’s and Tiahrt’s and Robert’s serve…is their own.

    I’m sure those of you who have gotten “the priviledge” of meeting one of these clowns think that they’re “just as nice as they can be”, but really, what have they done?

    Why do these bassturds have homes in D.C.? We have all of these idiot laws on the books because we keep these arseholes there year-round. If they only met once a year, like the constitution requires, then they wouldn’t have the time to destroy us like they are.

    Why can’t simple folks run for office anymore? We’ve let them build up a system that excludes anyone from these devils from getting the MILLIONS of dollars together to try and get elected.

    There isn’t anyone more capable of “destroying our way of life” than us and…

    We deserve everything that is coming.

  27. ANTI
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Very true, Pleefer.

    They (the “representatives”) see themselves as Rulers and not Servants to the citizens. We have allowed this to occur.

  28. American_Way
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Pleefer your voice my own frustrations with our politicians. You sound like you might be an advocate for term limits?

    That would at least ensure turnover and end the career politicians. Heck, if you can’t get your goals accomlished in 4 or 6 years – you should be fired anyway.

    On the other hand, for flyover states like this one, we only have so much clout in the House because we have so few people. Having congressmen who have seniority provided by time is advantageous for small states. The Doles and Grassley’s get power based upon seniority. We loose that with term limits.

    Not sure that is a bad thing, but it’s worth considering. But if everyone has limits – then everyone is in the same boat and seniority starts over?

    On the topic – Obama is going to be going even lower in Kansas. Get used to it. His indecisiveness on the war is getting troops killed. Conservative Kansas understands this. Especially since most of them are for a strong aggressive defense. (I am not)

  29. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    bj..I asked a simple question. this is not about me, but I don’t remember bad mouthing my adopted state.

    I asked a simple question, and not only do you fail to answer it, but turn around and accuse me of “is this the best you can do?” type of comment.

    Correct..I have lived in 6 different states, worked in all 50 and a few foreign countries. I like it here, but I can like it just about anywhere.

    simple question. why do you stay here if you hate it as much as you continually post?????

  30. lindainks55
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    “Obama is going to be going even lower in Kansas.”

    And if that happens nothing changes. All six of the electoral votes Kansas controls went to McCain last election and will go to the Republican candidate in the next national election.

    If there is a little “R” accompanying the candidate name, s/he gets the Kansas votes — status quo.

    On the national level Republicans can’t win with status quo. They can’t just hold the line, they must add numbers. That will take a candidate who appeals to Independents and Moderates. A candidate who appeals to Independents and Moderates can’t be nominated by the ‘base?’

    What a conundrum!

  31. Posted October 4, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    “this is not about me,”

    It’s not about me either. Kansas is irrelevant. You know it. I know it. President Obama knows it.

    The Republican party counts on it.

  32. Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    If one’s own party has no program, has no plan, no leader, there is only one thing left to do: complain about the group in power and try to frustrate any progress.

  33. Agnatha
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    “These polls are taken by liberal media outlets; the Kenyans real numbers are much lower; Impeach this moron before he destroys the Constitution and America.”

    Re: Cynical
    DNFTWellNamedT

  34. Pleefer
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Term limits would be an excellent thing…but we all know that those folks won’t ever vote themselves out of a job, they must be forced to do it.

    Going to the tea parties and hearing the same voices tell everyone exactly what they want to hear has gotten worn out. Next election, there should be no incumbent whatsoever re-elected, anywhere in the country. If everyone knew going in, that this “job” isn’t one, there would be a lot fewer laws to screw us over and those who were sent there wouldn’t be able to get so comfortable and may actually work for us. And maybe, just maybe those paid lobbyists would be run out on a rail instead of wining and dining our wealth away.

    Obaaama is sinking anywhere there are people who actually work for a living…aren’t.

    I’m thinking that some out of work carpenters could be building a gallows, ten miles long. We’ve got enough folks that we should be marching up, for many months of job security.

  35. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
    If one’s own party has no program, has no plan, no leader, there is only one thing left to do: complain about the group in power and try to frustrate any progress.
    —————————————————-
    That is they way it is no matter which party is in power,that is why I long for the day there is a viable third party, that in fact appeals to moderates and independents,I dont think either party has the best interests of the country at heart.

  36. JimJohnson
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 10:06 am | Permalink
    Kansas is the girl you can have a good time with without buying flowers or dinner. Then they’ll take money outta your purse and crawl out the window.

    ===================================

    Sounds like BJ speaks from experience.

    No wonder he doesn’t bring dates to his home.

  37. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Every time I see poll numbers or people quoting polls I can’t help but think of that famous headline”Dewey Defeats Truman”

  38. American_Way
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    “will take a candidate who appeals to Independents and Moderates. ”

    Why does that candidate have to be a republican?

    I’m not looking for a republican leader to rise with a new platform. It isn’t going to happen. They are stuck with their religious right, anti-abortion is job one, and no good advertising plan.

  39. American_Way
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    I hear what you are saying Freebird, but how else do we gage the will of the people?

    Do I take the democrats at their word – that most Americans are for socialized medicine? Do I believe Obama knows the pulse of the people?

    Polls are good for trends and to gage how America is feeling about the issues.

    I trust the polls (overall and many sources) over the words of any politician.

  40. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Amway,
    The whole statement said viable 3rd party r or d was not mentioned.

  41. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Amway,
    I meant that I take polls with a large grain of salt.

  42. American_Way
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    gage s/b gauge?

    Agreed Freebird. But if over time, the polls from various sources so the same trends (up or down) on the same issues (questions not misleading/clearly stated), then I think I can see trends have meaning.

    But I readily agree you can conduct a poll to achieve a predetermined end. Just go to FoxNews Online and take one of their daily polls. The questions are not clear – they only provide certain conditions, and they are geared to appeal to a certain group of viewers. They also lead you. For instance there was one poll question on Fox which had two YES choices and one NO. But both YES questions had following conclusions attached to them YES – if this YES – if that. My answer might have been YES, but I disagreed with BOTH following statement.

    Long winded here. Hope it’s not too muddy.

  43. lindainks55
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    “Why does that candidate have to be a republican?”

    Doesn’t.

    We are talking about Kansas tho.

    In Kansas being tied to “their religious right, anti-abortion is job one, and no good advertising plan.” is a positive for a candidate and ensures even more Kansas votes!

    So, can a candidate win without the ‘base’ of either party?

    Interesting premise.

    Would this third party candidate draw votes from either of the current two major parties? Both?

  44. XXX
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    #
    Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    That is they way it is no matter which party is in power,that is why I long for the day there is a viable third party, that in fact appeals to moderates and independents,I dont think either party has the best interests of the country at heart.
    _________________________

    While I agree with your sentiment, I wonder if a third party will ever be a viable idea. Say we did elect a third party candidate as president, you’d still have a congress dominated by the same Republicans and Democrats who worship money and power.

    Our system is broken. What ever happened to “of the people, by the people, for the people”? Representation in Washington is reserved for money, corporations, and special interests.

  45. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Our system is broken. What ever happened to “of the people, by the people, for the people”? Representation in Washington is reserved for money, corporations, and special interests.
    —————————————–
    maybe IT is time for some severe term limits,after all the executive branch has it,and as was said earlier if you can’t do the job in 4-6 years then you ain’t gonna get it done.

  46. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    nice dance,bj. why do you refuse to answer a simple question? You have stated repeatedly how much you hate Kansas, yet you stay here. That makes no sense. Even our over bloated government cannot (yet) force people to live where they are miserable.

    Why do you refuse to answer a very simple question?

  47. Posted October 4, 2009 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Of course Toad Tiahrt promised he’d abide by his term limits pledge… in 1994.

  48. lindainks55
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Is my memory correct that the third party candidate who garnered more votes than any other (in modern times) was Ross Perot? Didn’t he get something close to 20% of the vote? And, which of the major party candidates did that negatively affect? Wasn’t it the Republican Party?

    In 2004 the U.S. electorate consisted of an estimated 43% registered Democrats and 33% registered Republicans, with Independents and those belonging to other parties constituting 25%. (Those are the latest figures I was able to find. If 2008 changed those numbers I think the election results indicate how they changed.)

    In order to do anything but ensure a Democratic Party landslide, this viable third-party candidate would need to appeal to those who are currently registered with the Democratic Party.

  49. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Cynical meant of course that Obama was the only President who posted his birth certificate on the internet for any and all to see.

    Hawaii has verified that this is a legitimate, legal and accurate document and exactly what they provide to anyone who requests a birth certificate and that all files have been computerized years ago.

    But to the Liars for Jesus crowd, any charge that discredits Obama is automatically true and any claim that credits Obama is false.

    For instance, according to the LFJers, the recent FBI sting of two Al Qaeda plots to blow up buildings in the US was in no way related to Obama’s leadership. It was thanks to safeguards that Bush had put into place.

    Of course, had the plots been successful, then the blame would have been entirely Obama’s . . .
    But had the

  50. politicalmama
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    regular people can and do run and they do win. But you can’t come out of nowhere and expect to get a Senate seat in Washington DC. You have to have some experience.

    When I was at our local dem meeting, Larry Gates asked if anyone wanted to run for open seats, and nobody volunteered. But a kid from Ellsworth named Josh Svaty did not too terribly long ago, and now look at where he is. You think Josh could run for a Washinton seat now? You betcha!

  51. Regular
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    But had the…

    – puts the wire cutters back in pocket and walks away. :)

  52. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    MHawk–

    Maybe you can help me find some information.

    I distinctly remember Toad Tiahrtless threatening to sic the IRS on people that attacked his policies early on in his career as 4th district CONgressman.

    I can’t seem to find this in internet searches, probably because a lot of info before the late 90’s can’t be easily accessed.

    Any advice?

  53. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    I notice that alleged believer blog character, CapnA is at it again.

    Jesus said; “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me”. God is truth, and no true believer would lie in His name. Yet CapnA would associate Jesus Christ with his own opinion of untruth.

    You are treading on thin ice, my alleged brother.

  54. lindainks55
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    What percentage of the Republican Party do you think are the ‘Values Voters’? Those who seem to make overturning Roe v Wade, banning gay marriage and rewriting the Constitution to more closely resemble the Bible their most important political goals?

  55. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    outlander–

    People lie in the name of Jesus all the time and have done so for centuries.

    If history is any judge, it’s one of the most effective ways to lie in fact.

    A lot of Liars for Jesus maintain the lie that they–and they alone–know what God thinks.

    Fred Phelps for instance holds up signs saying that “God HATES Fags!”

    That’s Lying for Jesus . . . because Reverend Phelps, an avowed Christian, claims what no man can claim: that he knows what God thinks, and he does it the name of his version of Christianity.

  56. Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Can’t help ya, “CapnAmerica” –

    I was well away from the Kansas 4th District back then.

    And I really don’t know which outlet has the best archives. Hutch News, maybe?

    Just dunno.

  57. lindainks55
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Do the Values Voters agree on which religion will rule their Christian theocracy?

  58. Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    “You have stated repeatedly how much you hate Kansas, yet you stay here. ”

    Family obligations. That and I obligate the people around me to change to something resembling a 21st century mindset as opposed to ceding them the field. Nowhere more than in this darkness is a bright light needed. We need to be EXPORTING people like you Raptor, not accumulating more of them.

  59. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    He is not “lying for Jesus” because he does not represent Jesus, if he lies. And you border on, if not actually practice blasphemy by suggesting it.

  60. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Or CONsider the case of one TV evangelist and faith-healer, the Reverend Peter Popoff.

    This piece of work seemed to know the physical ailments and even the names and addresses of people in his audience simply by looking at them.

    It was truly nothing short of miraculous.

    Until of course The Skeptic magazine brought in a radio scanner and recorded his wife feeding him information from pre-selected “prayer cards” that the audience had filled out before hand.

  61. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    I’ll take my chances, outlander.

    I’m pretty sure if Jesus came back, you CONs would nail him to the cross again, just like the CONs did 2000 years ago.

    Go and sell all you have and follow me.

    For he that does this for the least of them, does this for Me.

    It is harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

    Yup. They’d never let this communist live today . . .

  62. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    That’s okay, MH.

    I can always try Lexis-Nexis and search The Eagle from that time.

  63. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Getting a little defensive are we Capn? Fighting for your idea of justice by linking your alleged Savior to lies?

  64. lindainks55
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    According to Adherents.com there are over 4,200 religions, churches, denominations, religious bodies, faith groups, tribes, cultures, movements, ultimate concerns, etc.

    Who is to say someone’s beliefs aren’t true or real? Who is to judge that? Who has the right to infringe on another’s beliefs?

    http://www.adherents.com/

  65. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    RE: the orginial thread

    What’s surprising is not that approval for Obama has dropped in Kansas.

    It’s surprising that it was ever above 50 percent to begin with.

    Kansas went solidly for the really old, white, multi-millionaire last election cycle.

    *****

    As far as approval among the Left, he’s losing it fast by insisting on “bi-partisanship” with CONs whose only idea of bi-partisanship is ramming their make-the-rich-richer policies down other people’s throats.

    It’s time to do unto them as they have done unto us.

  66. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    outlander–

    I call the CONs Liars for Jesus.

    I don’t in anyway implicate Jesus in the lying.

    But I can certainly see why a CON like you would want to make it seem so.

    Any rational person knows that.

    Get rational.

  67. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Interesting. Why then when you lie CapnA (which is frequent on these threads) are you not “lying for Jesus”.

  68. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Linda asks,

    Who is to say someone’s beliefs aren’t true or real?

    Why . . . the Fundy-CONs, of course!

    As protectors of Jewish orthodoxy, the Fundy-CONs used the Romans to put their meshia to death rather than upset the status quo.

    As protectors of Catholic orthodoxy, the Fundy-CONs killed Jews, forced them to CONvert, and imprisoned Galileo and ex-communicated Martin Luther.

    As defenders of the one true faith, the Fundy-CONs fought each other in one of Europe’s most vicious religious wars: the 30 Years War.

    In America, the Fundy-CONs rode Ameri-Indians like horses, raped their women, and cut off their hands for not giving the Spaniards enough gold fast enough . . . because of course, Ameri-Indians weren’t Christians like Columbus and his men.

    Judge not lest ye be judged!

    Are you kidding me?

    If the Fundy-CONs stopped judging others from the vantage of thier high-horse, they’d cease to exist.

  69. Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    It’s a 30-(or so)-year-old documentary but if you have Netflix, put “Marjoe” on your queue.

    I don’t understand how the twice-born can go through Swaggart and Poppoff and the Bakkers and Phred Felps in Topeka and Johnston in Kansas City and Tilton in Dallas and Orel Roberts in Tulsa and the guy in Atlanda and Fox in Wichita and… and… and…

    And yet I still think there might be some christians whose hearts bight be in the right place…

    But they so regularly and dependably fall for charlatans and scam-masters. And claim, “It’s just ONE bad apple.”

    These people don’t seem to be able to think things through. They fall for anything if a hyperventilating brimstoner has the right shtick.

    If you can master saying, “juh-HEEEEE-Zus” in four or five syllables you probably have a lucrative future in the field of televangelism.

  70. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Why then when you lie CapnA (which is frequent on these threads) are you not “lying for Jesus”.

    Because I don’t justify the result of the lie for the lie.

    I don’t say: because I think this lie will have a good effect, it is okay to lie.

  71. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    “If you can master saying, “juh-HEEEEE-Zus” in four or five syllables you probably have a lucrative future in the field of televangelism.”

    LOL!

    I’ve noticed that too, MHawk.

    They must train them to say it like that at Oral Roberts’ School of Right-wing Theology.

    Same way with “God.” It’s Giee-ooo-d.

  72. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    “As defenders of the one true faith, the Fundy-CONs fought each other in one of Europe’s most vicious religious wars: the 30 Years War.

    In America, the Fundy-CONs rode Ameri-Indians like horses, raped their women, and cut off their hands for not giving the Spaniards enough gold fast enough . . . because of course, Ameri-Indians weren’t Christians like Columbus and his men.”

    ———

    Yet, as an alleged Christian, CapnA claims that heritage. Oh he will say he doesn’t and it would be unfair to do so, yet he will turn right around and tag the evil on anyone with whom he disagrees with politically.

    Why would anyone ever take that guy seriously?

  73. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    BTW, outlander–

    I don’t claim to know what God thinks about it, but when a believer claims he believes, it’s pretty arrogant to call him an “alleged” believer.

    Unless you too know what God thinks . . .

  74. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    And while I freely say publicly that outlander expresses the idiotic views of the right-wing uncritically, I would never subject myself to hell-fire by questioning his faith.

  75. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Why would anyone ever take that guy seriously?

    Because it’s the truth? As a Christian, I believe in truth, not just what we want the truth to be.

  76. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Are you an alleged believer or not, Capn?

  77. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    If you have trouble answering the question, look up the word “alleged”. I am an alleged believer.

  78. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Ah, the old game of equivocation, I know it well.

    alleged

    declared but not proved; “alleged abuses of housing benefits”- Wall Street Journal

    doubtful or suspect; “these alleged (so-called) experts are no help”

    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

  79. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Alleged: asserted to be true or to exist.

    You probably saw that one too, eh Capn? It’s the first definition.

  80. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    But for our purposes, let’s just changed “alleged” to “professed”, OK?

  81. Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Wasn’t it Gandhi who said something like –

    “I like your Christ. Your “christians,” not so much.”

    I mean, c’mon, Twice-Borns.

    Didn’t the poor man suffer enough on the cross?

    No wonder he hasn’t come back.

    He remembers you people.

  82. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    And while we’re at it, here’s the definition of liberal

    * favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

    * (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.

    * favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.

    * favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

    * of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

    * free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.

    * open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

    * characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.

    * given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.

    * not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.

    * of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.

  83. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Off to actually DO something . . . vaya con Adios.

  84. Regular
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of…

    Did you know your surname is a common Mennonite name Capn?

    I mean you even have Churches and towns named after your surname.

    How’s your wife? She’s a bit older isn’t she? Like 10 years old than you. Susan is it? Or was Susan E. her mother, I forget.

    Yoder is a common Mennonite/Amish name as well. :)

  85. thomaswitt
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    I read this blog about once a week now, and most weeks, I can’t stand to get through an entire thread. The obnoxiousness and hatefulness of many of the posters is disgusting and nauseating.

    I get to the end of this one, and what do I see? I see that nothing has changed – that, as usual, James McCluer is playing the creepy stalker and posting personal information about commenters and their family members. You, sir, are a complete douchebag.

  86. Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    After “CapnAmerica” signs off, “Regular” chimes –

    “Did you know your surname is a common Mennonite name Capn?”

    This must be one of those “meaningful” CON posts people complain I never come up with.

    You just have to post on WE Blog, don’tcha, “Regular?”

    I’m afraid you’re not spending enough time keeping the tencil on the toad, guy.

    Priorities.

    Priorities!

  87. Regular
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Hey ThomasWitt, you know Jonathan Beachy? Evidently he works at WSU as well. Guess he heads up some kind of Mennonite coaltion for gays. Figured you ran into him.

  88. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    ahhh…bj, the poor martyr…must stay in a hated,”backwater duchy” due to family obligations. Oh wow…I just hope that family is sooo appreciative of your monumental sacrifice.

    Will make you an offer. I will pay the $128 one way bus fare for you to move to Boston. You would love it there.

  89. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    capn…you forgot a couple definitions of libruhl:

    imbued with a misplaced sense of superiority, making it impossible to tolerate a different point of view

    possessing a firm belief that GUBMINT is the answer to all evils, and that freedom of choice is a bad thing

    has a marked ntolerance of anyone who, through personal effort and hard work, is successful.

  90. Regular
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of playing the creepy stalker and posting personal information…

    What do you do to protect your car seats? I’m mean all that canal route exploration got to lead to some oversized orifi and some leakage. Wonder if you keep a can of stain remover in the car or is there some sort of device like depends needed to slow down the drain?

  91. Posted October 4, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    “What ever happened to “of the people, by the people, for the people”? Representation in Washington is reserved for money, corporations, and special interests.” [XXX]

    unfortunately, XXX, money, corporations, and special interests are ALSO of the people, by the people, and for the people… That is the big hurdle we face… IMHO

  92. Posted October 4, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    “freedom of choice is a bad thing”

    I love it when conservative try to define liberals.. no wonder you hate them so… you have no idea of their beliefs…

  93. Posted October 4, 2009 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Back to gay-baiting?

  94. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    if this blog is any indication, “david”, the libs primary belief is a hatred and villification of anyone who does not follow the liberal sheeple lockstep.

    for example, bj declares anyone who is not a liberal is his ‘enemy’. man, that is quite the example of tolerance from the libs…

  95. Posted October 4, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Ah.. well, BJ is our elected Poster Boy! WHhhahaaaaaa

  96. Posted October 4, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Ah.. well, BJ is our elected Poster Boy! WHhhahaaaaaa

  97. Posted October 4, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    I guess am to choose JJ to represent all conservatives??

  98. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    i never seen anyone repudiate bj’s extremism. quite the contrary, i have seen various libs come to his defense. must be your official blog spokesman, yes?

  99. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink
    capn…you forgot a couple definitions of libruhl:

    imbued with a misplaced sense of superiority, making it impossible to tolerate a different point of view

    possessing a firm belief that GUBMINT is the answer to all evils, and that freedom of choice is a bad thing

    has a marked ntolerance of anyone who, through personal effort and hard work, is successful.

    You nailed Blue jay with that description,in fact he stated that if his son evewr voted R he woiuld be dead to him,now there is tolerance. If he feels that way about his own son how can you expect him to tolerate any opposing view?

  100. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Raptor,
    He is the Supreme Blog Ruler and we are lower tier bloggers comared to him

  101. Raptor
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Free…shall I bow/genuflect whenever I his HIS holy name??

    yeah…supreme in his hateful mind, I suppose…

  102. Freebird1971
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Raptor, It would be advisable

  103. Posted October 4, 2009 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, he’s our official spokesperson, yeah, that’s it.

  104. Posted October 4, 2009 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    you all are so worshipful.. it there was not a god. you;d have to invent one….

  105. Heckler
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    From Capn.

    Bought chocked on my pizza when I read some of these, this one in particular.

    “* favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.”

    Guess Capn doesnt support Obama.

    Get back to this tomorrow. No time.

  106. Posted October 4, 2009 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, that’s the ticket.. imply liberals oppose freedom, law and civil liberties.

  107. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Heckler–

    You know what’s really funny? You know those spy agencies that were wonderful when they were staffed by CONs with a CON pResident listening to all the terrorist-loving libs?

    Well, dude, now we have a Lib President and he’s listening to you people.

    You wanted to give gov’t the right to listen to your phone conversations without even a warrant. You did it. You supported it.

    Now you get to enjoy it.

  108. Pleefer
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    So, you’re admitting what I’ve always contended…that there is no difference between Bush and Obama?

    I must assume that to be your stance as you don’t seem to mind the fact that Obaama isn’t changing a thing when it comes to Bushco-totalitarian policies.

  109. thomaswitt
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Pleefer, meet “irony.” Irony, meet Pleefer; you should become friends with you, if for no other reason than to learn to understand you. Right now, it looks like Pleefer doesn’t have a clue what irony means. (Note to Pleefer: It’s not something you do with starch).

  110. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I mind a great deal, Pleef.

    That’s one of the reasons that Obama’s approval ratings are going down. He ISN’T overturning the special powers that BushCo. abrogated to itself as many Libs expected that he would.

    He’s even gone so far as to try to protect Bush from torture prosecutions.

    But that’s exactly what we Libs warned you CONs about–gov’t leaders rarely give up power once they’ve got it.

    *****

    As for “Obama is just like Bush,” get real. Bush was an incompetent F-up. He was a catastrophe that walked on two legs like a man.

    Obama actually earned what he’s got by dint of hard work and intelligence.

  111. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Irony is not something you do with starch . . .

    Hehehe! Good one, Thomas.

  112. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of the irony-impaired, outlander says in response to my contention that a lot of Fundy CONs Lie for Jesus, “hey, Jesus wouldn’t lie.”

    Brilliant, outlander. Just brilliant.

  113. outlander
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    You want to find where I posted that Capn?

    What, you can’t find it?

    So were you lying again? Who were you lying for this time, Capn? Does it bother you that the truth is not in you?

    It should, my professed brother.

  114. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to give you a good piece of advice, my so-called Christian.

    Get a life.

  115. CapnAmerica
    Posted October 4, 2009 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Maybe you and Regular could get together and play checkers, whittle and spit and yell at the kids to stay off your lawn . . .

    Just a suggestion.

  116. Pleefer
    Posted October 5, 2009 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    thomastwitt,

    yeah, I know what irony is. and it doesn’t float here. the bozo that you fux voted in has no intention of doing anything that you “hoped” he would do. you fux don’t know what you bought. you can’t deal with the fact that you were lied to by your messiah, now all you can do is attack those who point it out to you. fuxstick.

  117. Jed
    Posted October 5, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Pleef,
    Get thee to a psychiatrist! Soon!