Wichita State University’s College Republicans seemingly weren’t at fault in booking conservative columnist Michelle Malkin for a $50-a-head political fundraiser. But the speech, now relocated, is to benefit Kris Kobach, the law professor and former Kansas GOP chairman who is running for secretary of state; Kobach blamed it on a “misunderstanding somewhere along the line.” But shouldn’t someone who wants to be the state’s top election official know, and have made clear to his campaign workers, that it’s unlawful to use state facilities for political fundraising?
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I wonder if this will be as poorly attended as the last con event at WSU. I’ll look into makingssome more reservations I have no intention of keeping.
“Wichita State University’s College Republicans seemingly weren’t at fault in booking conservative columnist Michelle Malkin for a $50-a-head political fundraiser.”
I don’t know or know of a con whose head is WORTH $50.
Well outside the bounty market that is.
Too bad they got free advertising in the article for the change of venue and the witch hunt against ACORN. Actually the Country Club is a much more appropriate place for her venom.
I can not figure out who would pay $50 to hear Michele Malkin? It would be much cheaper to simple walk up and listen to one of the street people that walk around talking to themselves.
You might even get a real show, sometimes they actually get in a fist fight with themselves too!
Attorney and UMKC law professor Kris Kobach definitely knows better. This is not his first run for public office – he ran for US Congress in the 3rd District five years ago. For two years, 07 to 09, he was Chair of the Kansas Republican Party, where it was his job to recruit, mentor, and advise legislative candidates in the 2008 election cycle.
At this point, Kobach only has two people on his campaign staff. Does anyone, ANYONE, believe that he didn’t know this fundraiser was going to be held at WSU? Does anyone believe for an instant that he didn’t know it was against state law?
I think Kris Kobach is a liar and a scofflaw. He doesn’t deserve to be elected village dog catcher.
Regular–
If any of what you posted were true, which it is not, you’d still be wrong.
The article is talking about fund raising on campus. Political activitiy in general is not illegal. Issue-oriented activity is perfectly legal.
WSU Student Union hosted a film by the Flint Hills Policy shills just last Sunday denying global warming for instance.
Did you go to that film Sunday, BlueJay? I was too busy . . .
Hmmm . . . they’re bring Michelle Malkin in AND having dinner for 50 bucks a plate.
I wonder how they shot that many possums all at one time.
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Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink
CapnAmerica
Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink
Regular–
If any of what you posted were true, which it is not, you’d still be wrong.
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I see that you are blogging on the taxpayer’s dime once again.
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Aren’t you doing the same?
Daniel
Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink
CapnAmerica
Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:42 am | Permalink
Regular–
If any of what you posted were true, which it is not, you’d still be wrong.
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I see that you are blogging on the taxpayer’s dime once again.
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Aren’t you doing the same?
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Nope, I’m not doing it from a government owned office, using government paid for electricity, while on the clock.
I’m at home, paying for everything myself.
The Capn is at work, blogging on the government’s dime.
Chasology.
Wow. Just….wow. You are truly a demented a hole.
That you cant use state property for Political Fundraising is campaigning 101. For Kobach to run for a office that is in charge of Elections to either be oblivious or outright ignore the same rules that he would be in charge of if he were to win isnt very promising
TomPaine
Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink
I wonder if Reg gets his panties in such a wad of GMC blogging on the Taxpayer dime?
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Exactly…
When duh Libs like yourself get as outraged when MonkeyHock does it, I’ll stop.
Until then – no
Reg, since you refuse to get a job and live on government welfare don’t you in a fact blog on the taxpayer dime
Regular,
Tell us when Monkeyhawk invaded GMC’s privacy by posting his name on the blog, or GMC’s wife’s name, or when Monkeyhawk threatened to call GMC’s employer.
Links would be helpful.
And while you’re at it, why don’t you share with us your reasons for wanting to, in your words, march Monkeyhawk into a field and put a bullet in his head.
The conditions are there T.WITT – you know what they are.
When you start reigning in your own…
Reg you should have learned in Kindergarden two wrongs dont make a right
The aholetroll has done it again. He’s managed to completely derail a topic by launching into nasty personal attacks against the other posters here (and this is about as nasty as I’ve seen him get). So now, instead of talking about what a POS Kris Kobach is, we’re pizzing back and forth over this d4mn creepy stalker’s outing of CapnAmerica.
I’m done with responding to this creep in any way, at any time, for any reason.
For a Guy who went to Harvard Yale and Oxford Kobach doesn’t seem very bright. Better Tom?
TomPaine
Posted October 21, 2009 at 11:37 am | Permalink
Reg you should have learned in Kindergarden two wrongs dont make a right
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Well, your Lib buddies have done it dozens of times and still are doing it?
Am I the Ahole or are they?
Payback is a bitch.
So being a baby and and acting like Bluejay is your new Shtick? I could really give a crap
TomPaine
Posted October 21, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink
So being a baby and and acting like Bluejay is your new Shtick? I could really give a crap
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Do you are T.WITT or any other Lib raise a stink about what he does?
Nope
Not
One
Time
Do you are = Do you or
Does T.WITT call BlueJay an AHole or a stalker?
Nope
“Regular” –
I’ve criticized “BlueJay” plenty of times.
You know that.
Your observation is a flat-out lie.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 21, 2009 at 11:57 am | Permalink
“Regular” –
I’ve criticized “BlueJay” plenty of times.
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Prove it – when he posts personal information about me.
Or that CapnAmerica never apologized for posting my address and email on the blog.
Or, the many hidden nicks that did the same.
Prove it. I’ve never seen it.
Reign in your own – Libs.
TomPaine,
Interesting that you should point out Kobach’s alma maters. When Raj Goyle’s name comes up, it’s all kinds of whining and moaning from the “conservatives” about how he’s a carpetbagger, ignoring, of course, the fact that after being born in Ohio, he’s lived in Wichita since he was 9 months old.
Oh, and Oxford isn’t even in this country!
Regular,
What a sad, pathetic existence you must lead.
Daniel
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
Regular,
What a sad, pathetic existence you must lead.
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I only made one comment initially.
Everything was fine until T.WITT and Tom Paine piled on.
What a pathetic life they must lead eh?
One its not job to police the blog nor do I have any control over what others post, quite frankly I have better things to do. Acting Like Bluejay makes you look like whiny jerk, and as I recall the last time he posted your address you thru quite the tantrum( and were threatening legal action) and most people were on your side.
Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Permalink
I only made one comment initially.
Everything was fine until T.WITT and Tom Paine piled on.
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So thomaswitt and Tom Paine are responsible for your actions.
Riiiiiiight.
gular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink
Okay T.WITT,
I can take it a step further, call Wichita State University and ask if Brad Beachey is at work.
Wanna push it?
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This from the guy who cried about being outed on the blog.
TomPaine
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
One its not job to police the blog nor do I have any control over what others post, quite frankly I have better things to do. Acting Like Bluejay makes you look like whiny jerk, and as I recall the last time he posted your address you thru quite the tantrum( and were threatening legal action) and most people were on your side.
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You Libs encourage and even dogpile it.
Control your fellow Libs by emailing Brownlee or stop whining yourself.
This is lightweight stuff here – if the Libs on this blog don’t stop accusing me other being other posters, calling me troll and putting and encouraging putting on my personal information on the blog –
– Well, I can escalate – Let’s see what kind of spine you got to stand up to your own.
I doubt you will – too bad for the Capn. They typed letter and information is always available and addressed to the appropriate WSU Departments.
Reign it in – you were forewarned.
Don’t like the feel of it? Try enduring it for two years like I have.
Feeling uncomfortable? Good – now you know how it feels.
even tho Raj and Kobach share an Alma mater, Raj will get attacked for being an elitist
They typed = There is a
Freebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
gular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 10:22 am | Permalink
Okay T.WITT,
I can take it a step further, call Wichita State University and ask if Brad Beachey is at work.
Wanna push it?
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This from the guy who cried about being outed on the blog.
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Outted on a blog and constantly posting my personal information on the blog are two different things Freebird.
Wake up and smell your own hypocrisy.
Regs thats a good idea I might just file a complaint to the Editors about you posting private info on the blog.
and I have a pathetic Life?? I’m not the middle aged man living alone in my sisters basement, No job,collecting welfare. but do continue to prattle on
Regular,
The only difference is you are the one doing it and not having it done to you.
Posting someone’s name and place of employment is not personal information?
TomPaine
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
Regs thats a good idea I might just file a complaint to the Editors about you posting private info on the blog.
and I have a pathetic Life?? I’m not the middle aged man living alone in my sisters basement, No job,collecting welfare. but do continue to prattle on
Freebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
Regular,
The only difference is you are the one doing it and not having it done to you.
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Thank you for the support and making my decision for me.
I will be mailing the letter to the University President and English Department today, with a cc: to the Kansas Education Department.
“Regular” posts –
“Reign in your own…”
Homonym problems.
TomPaine, here’s another fun fact: Kobach doesn’t work in Kansas, which means he’s not paying Kansas income taxes. He works in Missouri. University of Missouri, Kansas City.
Talk about “not from around here.”
Regular,
For the record I do not in any way shape or form endorse your childish behavior just as I didn’t endorse Jays.
Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
Thank you for the support and making my decision for me.
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So now in addition to not being responsible for your own actions, you allow someone else to make your decisions for you?
I’ve honestly never seen anyone post any personal information about you that wasn’t divulged by you first in your own posts.
How do I know that you live with your sister?
How do I know that you have some sort of physical disability?
How do I know that you served 20 years in some military capacity?
How do I know that you spent some time in your younger years in Texas?
This is all information gleaned by reading your own posts. I’ve never seen anyone post your address or email address or phone number. Perhaps you could link to an example.
Dig it deeper Libs, it’s too late now.
Freebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
Regular,
For the record I do not in any way shape or form endorse your childish behavior just as I didn’t endorse Jays.
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But you endorse WSClark’s behavior who told me just two days ago, he wants me to ‘die in my sleep’ or ‘hope I die tonight’, then follows that with three more posts of profanity.
Hypocrite
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Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
Dig it deeper Libs, it’s too late now.
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Regular is a nic switching troll.
That deep enough?
Reg,
At ease, soldier. Stand down. It isn’t worth it. Rise above.
Reg,
Please show me where I posted an endorsement
Freebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
Reg,
Please show me where I posted an endorsement
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Eating breakfast together ring a bell?
You think he’s a fine individual – you haven’t seen the garbage he’s posted over the years.
Ws is a friend who has his own views and opinions just as I have mine,whether I agree or not is irrelevant to our friendship
Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
Eating breakfast together ring a bell?
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You sound jealous……..and lonely.
gular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
Freebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
Reg,
Please show me where I posted an endorsement
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Eating breakfast together ring a bell?
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WTF business is it of yours who my friends are? Just because I don’t judge people by the perception of others really frosts people like you and Blue Jay
Dogpiling – a Lib special – some things never change.
eebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm | Permalink
WTF business is it of yours who my friends are? Just because I don’t judge people by the perception of others really frosts people like you and Blue Jay
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Good.
Multiply that feeling by a couple of years and you know how I feel.
Regular and Blue Jay have one thing in common,they both love playing the victim
Monk,
“Homonym problems.”
Please be careful not to use anything with the prefix “homo-” when talking to reggie. His conniption fits aren’t pretty.
I heard that he flatly refuses to drink homogenized milk.
Over the years, I’ve gotten a few “conservatives” to insist they aren’t “homosapiens.” It’s hilariously funny.
Regular calls me a lib,BJ calls me a con,someone help I’m having a political identity crisis
Yo “Tom Paine”?
Kiss Regular’s butt.
“Did you go to that film Sunday, BlueJay? I was too busy..”
Yeah I made reservations.
Then I HAD reservations. I didn’t go to the little bit of “get the rich richer” agitprop.
Freebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
Regular calls me a lib,BJ calls me a con,someone help I’m having a political identity crisis
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You think you’ve got problems?
BlueJay calls me Regular and Hank, along with a few other names.
Freebird,
I don’t know if I’ve served in the Navy, Air Force, or neither.
My seats were there. But I wasn’t in ‘em.
Tee hee.
“Reign it in – you were forewarned.
Don’t like the feel of it? Try enduring it for two years like I have.
Feeling uncomfortable? Good – now you know how it feels.”
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Ok, all you Libs quit picking on poor little Reg. Can’t you see he’s hurting? Poor little fella.
And XXX contributes…
This is what I put up with.
You left your spine back with the Marines dude.
You have become a full fledged wimp.
Poor ol’ “Regular” seems to forget his “ideal world” would have him frog-walking me into an empty field so he could but a bullet in my skull.
WE Blog CONs know my name. It’s pretty easy to track me down. I’ve offered to meet up with WE Blog CONs several times and they’ve run away from their bluster.
WE Blog CONs know my name.
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Susan Peters.
“Kobach doesn’t work in Kansas, which means he’s not paying Kansas income taxes.”
Is that really the case, that someone who lives in Kansas but works in Missouri doesn’t pay income tax to Kansas?
JM (aka Regular) posted January 8, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Safety and Industrial Hygiene [degrees].
Wichita_Liberal,
His UMKC withholding goes to MO. He then files in MO and KS, with his MO taxes being credited against anything he owes KS.
Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
And XXX contributes…
This is what I put up with.
You left your spine back with the Marines dude.
You have become a full fledged wimp.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Reg, your insults mean nothing.
NEXT!
Back to the topic at hand: T Witt how can you can anything about what Kobach should know when you thought it was fine for a Harvard Law School grad to campaign INSIDE a polling place on election day. I personally saw Raj Goyle do this and then saw on the 6 oclock news that he had been ejected from two other locations.
I guess they just don’t teach much in them thar law schools afterall.
Non issue as far as I’m concerned.
Twitt not exactly the truth about the tax issue but even so he pays property taxes in Kansas and most of the PR taxes are federal taxes. Kansas wouldn’t get any unemployment tax from him but then they wouldn’t bear the risk if he became unemployed.
Being a little disingenuous aren’t you.
Okobserver,
I said:
Kobach doesn’t work in Kansas, which means he’s not paying Kansas income taxes. He works in Missouri.
He doesn’t pay Kansas income taxes, Ok, Kansas income taxes. There’s nothing “disingenuous” about what I said at all.
Nice how you try to slam Goyle once again. I asked you the other day for YouTube links to the filming the GOP tracker did in 2006, but you never responded.
Fact: Kobach has run for office in Kansas before. Fact: He was KSGOP chairman. Fact: Everything his campaign does is his responsibility. Fact: His staff is so small right now, that for him to say he didn’t know what was going on strains all credibility.
This is just how he treated the KSGOP executive director, Christian Morgan, while he was Morgan’s boss. Every time Kobach was caught saying something stupid, or screwing something up, he blamed Morgan. This is just more of the same, and is what we can expect from Kobach.
writerdog
Posted October 21, 2009 at 9:15 am | Permalink
I can not figure out who would pay $50 to hear Michele Malkin? It would be much cheaper to simple walk up and listen to one of the street people that walk around talking to themselves.
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Well Writer I’m guessing it isn’t those idiots who would buy a ticket to see algores propoganda movie or any one of Michael Moores movies.
Just a guess mind you. Myself I like Malkin. She is very knowledgable and is a good speaker.
Tom sorry if I stepped on a toe or something. I merely pointed out that the Ks income tax you referenced was a small part of the taxes he does play. Don’t know the man or anything about him. The point was made that Kobach was a law professor at KU and as such should have known better. I merely said ’shouldn’t a law grad from Harvard’ know he shouldn’t be in polling places on election day unless it is his polling place.
Why are you taking that as an attack and not a comment on the subject at hand?
Nice how you try to slam Goyle once again. I asked you the other day for YouTube links to the filming the GOP tracker did in 2006, but you never responded.
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Not sure what you are talking about here. Give me a clue.
Okobserver, “disingenuous” is a five-syllable word for “lie.” So yeah, that’s how I took it when you used it. I’m not sure how pointing out that Kobach doesn’t contribute his share to Kansas is irrelevant in a thread about Kobach’s fitness to be Kansas Secretary of State.
I mean, we’re talking about Mr. Xenophobe himself, right? He’s a regular on the talk show circuit, going on and on endlessly about immigration. This, from the guy who went to college in a different country, and who doesn’t have a problem working in one state while not paying income taxes to the state where he lives.
He also can’t be bothered to follow the election laws of the state where he wants to be the top election officer. *Until he’s caught, of course.
Okobserver, the other day you pointed out that the Republicans had filmed Goyle breaking election law. Where are those films? Are they on YouTube? On the KSGOP website? On the Sedgwick County GOP site? If you know where they are, I’d love to see them. You keep making these assertions, but there’s not a lot of evidence to back you up. The DA, the County Election Officer (a Republican), and so on, saw no evidence of criminal activity.
Insincere and hypocritical is how I meant it. I try not to call people liars unless I am very sure it was intentional.
As for the reference to Kobach. It sounds like you know him a whole lot better than I do. So I will take your word for it.
Now for Goyle. I personally watched him break a law most voters with no higher education know and everytime I mention it I get Capn and sometimes you telling me I am wrong.
As for the YouTube you mentioned – tell me the story on that.
Tom where did I say any film was made. I said I saw him in my polling place and it wasn’t his polling place. He was going down the line introducing himself to waiting voters. I didn’t have a camcorder with me or I might have been tempted to film it. I knew it was wrong.
Okobserver, I’ll try this one more time: You say there’s video of Goyle breaking the law. Let’s see it. Otherwise, I’m going to have to call “disingenuous” on you. :)
Tom just a little FYI – there actually were depositions taken of the incidents. The DAs ruling was that no voter felt ‘intimindated’ by Goyle so even though what he did was illegal it was swept under the rug.
Now if you didn’t know this happened then I guess you aren’t following the right news sources. I myself saw it on the news election night and had no reason to doubt it happened because I had personally witnessed it.
Tom where did I say there was video? Why are you acting so obtuse. That means thick as a post so you won’t have to look it up.
okobserver
Posted October 20, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
I agree with you on this LJ but I personally saw Goyle do some very questionable things when he ran against Huy. He was filmed in three different polling places going down the line of waiting voters introducing himself and electioneering.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/10/will-there-be-a-groundswell-for-glickman/#comment-683437
Where’s the video? You say it’s out there. Let’s see it.
Forgive us doubting you okobserver. But your record for honesty here aint the best. If it DID happen and you did nothing, what does this say about you?
One time when I voted, I was asked to cover up my shirt because of the political comment. (picture of bush, cheney and ashcroft with caption “axis of evil”) I complied but complained about the car parked just outside with a pro bush bumper sticker.
It belonged to the election official in charge of the polling place! A Republican ELECTION official engage in electioneering.
I made her move her car. She was NOT a happy camper.
Well Tom I misspoke here. To my knowledge he wasn’t filmed. Can’t say this for sure one way or another. I did say it was reported that night on the news. Are you honestly going to say you never knew that this happened?
I have said over and over that my husband and I witnessed him campaigning inside the polling place.
You don’t have to believe me. It is a matter of record. Check it out.
I know you like Goyle. I don’t dislike him. I said what he did wasn’t kosher. He had to know this. Surely they teach that at Harvard.
“He was filmed in three different polling places going down the line of waiting voters introducing himself and electioneering.”
From thomaswitt’s link to yesterday.
Where’s the video okie? Or are you lying?
Again.
You mean, you lied. Which means I don’t believe a single word that comes out of your keyboard, because you’re just been caught…
…L Y I N G
Ok, you seen Raj at Three different polling places?
It wasn’t even a clever lie. It was from yesterday. Does Okobserver truly think we’re as dumb as all that? Or is she just holding us up to the same standards of intellect and honesty she holds herself?
“To my knowledge he wasn’t filmed. Can’t say this for sure one way or another”
You had no such second thoughts BEFORE you were called on it. Are we to understand that most of your posts are either very poorly considered or deliberately dishonest?
If Raj violated election Rules Bill Gale and Ron Thornburgh would have done something.
I guess okobserver does not think about things she does not think about. She also seems to put little thought into the things she DOES think about.
Oh, FYI to the readers: The Republican Party did have someone out with a camera, going around to the polling places. He got in trouble at one of those, because he tried to film someone actually casting their votes. And that’s a big, big no-no.
But there is, of course, nothing to this “Raj was electioneering” nonsense, because if there had been, it would have been used in the 2008 election.
“contact individuals in line to vote or in the general area where voting
was occurring. He was reported to have talked briefly with either
voters or poll agents and generally milled about observing the
election activities. There were no reports of any specific
conversations related to Goyle’s campaign. The supervising judge
reported that she observed Goyle on the three occasions when he
came to the church. On the first occasion she told him she felt his
presence was inappropriate and asked him why he was there. He
replied that he was a poll agent and was entitled to be there. The
judge reported that Goyle stood around and observed. She also
reported she received a complaint that Goyle supporters were
campaigning within 250 feet of the entrance. When she checked the
report, she felt that the one individual she saw was well outside the
250 feet limitation.
Goyle’s reported activities are insufficient to establish the commission
of the crime of electioneering under Kansas law. He was a poll agent
and entitled to be at polling places, subject to the same law, rules,
regulations and limitations that apply to every poll agent, including the
law against electioneering. Candidates for elective office are made
poll agents by operation of law. K.S.A. 25-3005a. His mere
presence therefore could not by itself legally suffice as electioneering.
There were no specific allegations of any other acts that would show
Goyle “knowingly attempting to persuade or influence eligible voters
to vote for or against a particular candidate, party or question
submitted.” The only substantiated reports show that Goyle had some
limited contact of a general nature with voters he knew or other poll
agents. Such evidence does not constitute electioneering.”
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There were complaints filed about his activities as you can see. If you have never misspoke Tom then you are indeed a special person. I work and blog at the same time. One or the other usually suffers. I always make sure it isn’t my work.
So if calling me a liar helps you and gives BJ some pleasure then I am glad I could help. As you can see what I said was true and complaints were filed. Our democrat DA made sure it went no further.
So when you see candidates inside the polls just remember they are ‘poll agents’ and have the right to approach people waiting to vote.
More to do that argue with people who can’t argue facts but are constantly looking for that ‘gotcha’ moment.
So what you’re saying is, you complained about Goyle, there was an investigation, your complaint turned out to be BS, and so instead of walking away from it, you lie on a daily basis about how he was caught “on film” (your words) breaking the law.
Right.
Got it now.
Tom people in glass houses really should be throwing stones. I won’t get down in the mud and fight over this. I posted the evidence that it happened and that a democrat DA said no foul.
Take it or leave it I don’t care.
Where is your evidence that a GOP person was ‘filming’ illegally. Or is that just a figment of your imagination.
Okobserver, the GOP kid never did manage to do anything illegal – he was stopped before he could film the voters actually voting. Notice I said “tried to film.” There’s a reason I choose the words I do – they’re meant to convey specific meanings because, well, that’s what words do.
I know about this incident because it happened at one of the two polling places I was responsible for in 2006. One of my poll watchers was on the phone with me (I was at the polling place at the time) while he was there. She was asking me what to do. It was a problem that solved itself, though, when apparently one of the poll workers or poll judges made him leave the voting area.
You’ve already gotten into the mud, Okobserver, by repeatedly lying and exaggerating what happened at three polling places in 2006. Your continued attempts to shift your responsiblity for your bad behavior over the past 24 hours is ridiculous.
Whoops, meant to say
(I was at the other polling place at the time)
Tom I didn’t say I filed a complaint. I said I witnessed him in the polling place and then saw on the news that he had been at other polling places. Now you can call me a liar if that makes your day. I really don’t care. You must be in Goyles back pocket pretty deep to take what I said so personally. It happened. Pure and simple. Sorry if your hero has feet of clay and is a mortal man afterall.
I must have made you really mad when I mentioned it to bring out the vicious attack dog in you.
I have to pick up my dog from the groomer and he is a lot more fun than you are so have a great afternoon. Maybe you can attack another blogger for telling the truth about one of your heros.
Wow, you really do live in a fantasy world, where getting caught lying is the same as “telling the truth“.
This has been a real eye-roller.
Tom you have in no way refuted one fact of what I have proved happened with Goyle. You made this the big issue it has become today because you were attacking Kobach and I challenged the assertion that he should have know better because of who/what he was.
Now you can change the subject to me but the facts are that Goyle did something considered unethical by many and some of those did file complaints. He got off on a technicality.
Just for the record and so everyone here knows. The dims favorite tactic is to change the subject. Well have fun with that because you were helpful in getting out the complete story I had to dig out.
“okobserver” gives us –
“Well Tom I misspoke….”
Get used to posting those words, “okobserver.”
It’s an excuse you can use more often.
thomaswitt
Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
Okobserver, the GOP kid never did manage to do anything illegal – he was stopped before he could film the voters actually voting.
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BTW twitt since when is it illegal to film people while they are voting?
The voting screen isn’t visible. TV stations do it all of the time. We see people behind the voting stations routinely.
Were you lying again about this?
Apparently, Raj was a three places at once, Thomas.
It’s a miracle!
And poll watchers get to stand around and watch polls. That’s why they call them . . . poll watchers.
Okobserver, the polling place I’m writing about was far too small, and the voting machines and tables for paper ballots were in full view of anyone walking past. They were in a hallway in a nursing home; there wasn’t a way to film that would have preserved the privacy of the voters. When you see voters on the news, it’s always from the side so the shield blocks the view, or it’s from across a gymnasium. This was not the situation at the polling place I’m talking about.
So no, no lying. At least not on my part.
Weren’t you leaving to go get your dog?
T.WITT is just angry cause he doesn’t get any ’slide money’ from ProKanDo anymore and that 8,000 bucks from Loganbill as a campaign adviser (cough) has long since ran out.
Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
TomPaine
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
Regs thats a good idea I might just file a complaint to the Editors about you posting private info on the blog.
and I have a pathetic Life?? I’m not the middle aged man living alone in my sisters basement, No job,collecting welfare. but do continue to prattle on
Freebird1971
Posted October 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
Regular,
The only difference is you are the one doing it and not having it done to you.
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Thank you for the support and making my decision for me.
I will be mailing the letter to the University President and English Department today, with a cc: to the Kansas Education Department.
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You do that Reg., and then let us all know whaat you get back from them, ok???
Capn, and apparently, Okobserver was simultaneously there at all three of those places, personally witnessed him “electioneering,” and in all likelihood, directed the little GOP camera dweeb where to film.
But really.
If Goyle had violated election laws, and been caught on film doing it, what do you think would have happened in the 2008 campaign? And why isn’t DICK Kelsey rolling out those videos now? He’s already got TV ads up and full-pagers running in the Eagle.
The “conservatives” have nothing but smear. Nothing at all.
Chas, DNFTT
CapnAmerica
Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:47 pm | Permalink
Apparently, Raj was a three places at once, Thomas.
It’s a miracle!
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Apparently cap you have a problem with reading. Didn’t you read in Fulstons official statement that he was observed in three different polling places. Why would you make the assumption that he had to be in three at once. Last I heard the hours for voting would allow you to go to every polling place in town if that if what you wanted to do.
Please tell me you really don’t teach our children.
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And thanks for asking twitt. I did go get my dog and as usual they did a great job and he was ready to come home.
thomaswitt
Posted October 21, 2009 at 4:21 pm | Permalink
Capn, and apparently, Okobserver was simultaneously there at all three of those places, personally witnessed him “electioneering,” and in all likelihood, directed the little GOP camera dweeb where to film.
But really.
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Still lying twitt. I said I was in line to vote and saw him and what he was doing. The 6 o’clock news told me the rest of the story. Didn’t know anything about the ‘GOP dweeb’. Guess that didn’t make the news. Too bad you and cap are so busy defending Goyle that you don’t take the time to read.
Why do you think Goyle needs all of the ground cover you are trying to lay down for him? I actually thought he was a viable candidate but I may need to dig a lot deeper.
Speaking of Goyle, I wonder if Goyle is going to claim he teaches at WSU, when in fact he’s only taught a seminar – one time at WSU. But in Goyle’s mind, he educates the youth of Wichita and furthers their education for future endeavors (and all that other exagerrated political cow dung.)
I hope for Goyle’s sake twitt that you have nothing to do with running his election. I wouldn’t have dug so deep to find this ruling without your prodding.
Now how many people here have ever seen candidates show up at polling places not their own on election day. Come inside and shake hands with waiting voters.
I didn’t even know there was an official statement from the DA until I did a bone dig. It’s amazing what you can find. I just heard a 15 second tv news statement saying that no laws were broken and no charges were filed.
Somehow I think a lot of people that weren’t aware this had happened are giving it a second glance.
okobserver
Posted October 20, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
He was filmed in three different polling places going down the line of waiting voters introducing himself and electioneering.
This reminds me of the old Simon & Garfunkle tune “The Boxer.”
All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest, hmmmm
Lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hqdZ4AWSaI
So sorry I missed the troll’s meltdown this morning.
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libdave
Posted October 21, 2009 at 4:38 pm | Permalink
So sorry I missed the troll’s meltdown this morning.
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Count your blessings, it wasn’t a pretty sight.
thomaswitt
Posted October 21, 2009 at 4:36 pm | Permalink
okobserver
Posted October 20, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
He was filmed in three different polling places going down the line of waiting voters introducing himself and electioneering.
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twitt change one word – filmed to seen which I acknowledged – and where are the lies -plural- you have ranted about. You have done more harm to Goyle with your tirade than I ever would or could have. Now any cons or mods will wonder why you didn’t want the truth to come out.
Go do something productive. I intend to. Divert, deflect, a typical lib tactic except this one backfired because some people did file a complaint and the DA had to make an official statement. We now know he wasn’t just in my polling place but two others. Oh yes – wait for this – he was a poll agent.
What was it he was watching?
No worries Okobserver, lying is what T.WITT does for a profession, he’s a lobbyist and heavily involved in PAC’s (on the sly) like ProKanDo – well maybe not so much now that his gravy train has gone away.
“Kobach doesn’t work in Kansas, which means he’s not paying Kansas income taxes. He works in Missouri. University of Missouri, Kansas City.”
I don’t think that is true. As a Kansas resident, I also work/worked in another state. I paid taxes to both states. Kansas provided me a break for taxes paid to the other state. However, I still paid taxes to the great state of Kansas.
“No worries Okobserver, lying is what T.WITT does for a profession, he’s a lobbyist and heavily involved in PAC’s (on the sly) like ProKanDo – well maybe not so much now that his gravy train has gone away.”
RE: Regular
DNFTT
True Amway, and if you maintain your Kansas residency, you also have to pay property taxes (i.e. car tags, etc.)
“‘Regular posts –
“‘Reign in your own…’
“Homonym problems.”
Oh, that’s just balogna!
Now I am off to go retro-fit something.
“Still lying twitt. I said I was in line to vote and saw him and what he was doing. The 6 o’clock news told me the rest of the story.”
To read what, this?
“I agree with you on this LJ but I personally saw Goyle do some very questionable things when he ran against Huy. He was filmed in three different polling places going down the line of waiting voters introducing himself and electioneering.”
1) You then said you misspoke when you said that he was “filmed” doing so.
2) You also said:
“I have said over and over that my husband and I witnessed him campaigning inside the polling place.
“You don’t have to believe me. It is a matter of record. Check it out.”
But no objective sources, including the quote you posted on this board, say anything of the sort. What you posted later in this thread does not indicate that it is a “matter of record” that Goyle was “campaigning inside the polling place”. In fact, it says in conclusion: “The only substantiated reports show that Goyle had some limited contact of a general nature with voters he knew or other poll agents. Such evidence does not constitute electioneering.”
Electioneering in this case is, of course, campaigning in a polling place.
Thus, it is NOT a matter of record. The only “matter of public record” was that Republicans accused Goyle of “campaigning” in polling places, and they did not substantiate their claims.
I mean, seriously, how can you so casually discredit yourself?
AGGIE I have learned one thing today. The libs here are amoung the dimmest people around and also the biggest whiners. Not even sure who this Kobach is but plan to help him in his campaign. He must be scaring someone to death. That lobbyist twitt is scared wittless. Couldn’t resist that one.
If Goyle knew the man in front of me in line he has a funny way of showing it when he stuck our his hand and gave the man his name. The poll warden walked over to him at this point and told him he wasn’t supposed to be doing that.
You guys believe what you want. I hope the shameless manner twitt conducted himself here today will show any moderates that this Goyle must have a lot to hide and they need to do their homework before casting a vote for him.
The DAs statement says it all for me. He was in polling places not his own. He was shaking hands with and introducing himself to people in line to vote. Make of that what you will. Put your liberal slant on it.
It is a matter of record. The fact that a democrat DA chose not to pursue tells me a lot. Wonder what would have happened if the person was a republican?
I doubt we will ever know the answer to that one. But look to see candidates showing up at your polling places in the future – afterall it is legal now.
Well that’s funny.
Lawmakers make laws by voting for legislation they haven’t read all the time, yet where is the criticism when that happens?
Oh right! Kobach is a Republican.
“The DAs statement says it all for me. He was in polling places not his own. He was shaking hands with and introducing himself to people in line to vote. Make of that what you will. Put your liberal slant on it.” [Okie]
Was tthe polling place where Goyle was shaking hands in his “District”?? Or was the polling place in a District NOT his own?? I dont know if that needs a liberal slant, or even ANY slant… Seems if the polling place wasnt in a District where people would be voting for him, then what does it matter if he is there shaking hands with people??? IIRC, if the polling place isnt in his district, he wouldnt be on the Ballot in that polling place… right??
Okliar opines: “Not even sure who this Kobach is but plan to help him in his campaign.”
I’ll write your letter of recommendation. I can’t think of anyone more qualified than you who I’d recommend to help Kobach get elected.
Hah!!
Yes Chas he was on the ballot in my polling place as well as the others ones he showed up at. i don’t follow the races of state representatives unless they are in my district. See even you think this smells.
So if the polling place is in his district and it isn’t his polling place you don’t think he should be there either. Interesting.
Well as I said earlier twitt – I hope you aren’t in Goyle’s camp. If his competition didn’t know about this they sure do now right down to the fact that camplaints were filed, they were investigated by the DA’s office. He was let off by a democrat DA because he was a ‘poll agent’. In all of my years of voting I have never seen a person who is on the ballot be allowed to walk around amidst the potential voters.
Think of what this opens up for candidates. Just took a Harvard Law grad to bring it to light.
You’re shape tonight twitt.
From KDOR’s website:
What if I am a Kansas resident with income from another state?
You must file as a Kansas resident and report all income to Kansas, regardless of where it was earned. If the other state requires an income tax return to be filed, you must complete the worksheet in the Kansas tax booklet to determine your credit for taxes paid to other states. Be sure to include a copy of the other state’s return with your Kansas return. Copies of the other state’s W-2 forms alone are not acceptable. If the other state does not require an income tax return, you cannot claim a credit on the Kansas return.
http://www.ksrevenue.org/faqs-taxii.htm
As for Kobach – well I don’t know him but if youre agin him then I must be fer him.
okobserver
Posted October 21, 2009 at 6:34 pm | Permalink
Yes Chas he was on the ballot in my polling place as well as the others ones he showed up at. i don’t follow the races of state representatives unless they are in my district. See even you think this smells.
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Where were the polling places that you did not personally see Goyle shaking hands with voters located?
“So if the polling place is in his district and it isn’t his polling place you don’t think he should be there either. Interesting.” [Okie]
No candidate should be “campaigning” in a place where he/she is on the Ballot at that polling place. That is the way I have always understood it… HIS polling place would obviously be in HIS district… is that more clear as to my recollection/memory?
As for Goyle being on the Faculty at WSU, my question would be HOW he is listed?? Full Professor, Associate Profesor, Instructor, Asst. Instructor, Adjunct Faculty, etc., etc.
ANY one of those would make him an employee of WSU, AND a faculty member…
SO…. how is he listed??? Links???
Chas and Daniel who must have had a brain fart – the three polling places were all in his district. I obviously was only in my own polling place and this is where I saw Goyle shaking hands with voters in line. He was shaking the hand of the man in front of me when the poll warden stopped him.
That night on the news I saw that the same thing had happened in 2 other polling places where he was on the ballot and in one of those there was a confrontation with a voter. This was on the local news that night.
Later I saw that there was an investigation into why he was inside the polling place when he wasn’t registered to vote there. The DAs statement I posted today was the first time I had seen how she based her ruling. I knew she had said he broke no laws and they wouldn’t be pursuing it any further.
To the best of my ability I have listed everything that happened. Twitt would like to discredit what I had to say but actually succeeded in making Goyle look worse than I first thought.
Chas you and I agree that a candidate should not be allowed in a polling place where his name is on the ballot unless he is voting which he wasn’t at Maranatha, my polling place. In my lifetime that has always been my understanding also. I don’t think he should have been allowed to be a poll agent, whatever that is.
IF he was a poll agent (see definition of “poll agent”) THEN he had a legal right to be there… He should have also had on some kind of identifying ribbon, pin, badge(not LEO Badge) to identify him as a “Poll Agent” — Having been an election worker in a number of different sttes, I still remember a little bit about the process…
Basically, if Goyle was a “Poll Agent” he was breaking no laws… IF he was encouraging people to vote for HIM, then he is out of bounds…
Obviously, he was not shown to be telling voters to vote for HIM….
“Chas you and I agree that a candidate should not be allowed in a polling place where his name is on the ballot unless he is voting…”[Okie]
Of course… Cause, see, this isnt a liberal issue, OR a CON issue… This is all about Voting…
Okie, of course You are CERTAIN that Goyle doesnt live in your precinct???
Just wondering….
Yes Chas I am very certain he doesn’t live in my district.
The District where Goyle was elected is the 87th. Basically, east of Town East, all the way to S 121st.
“Yes Chas I am very certain he doesn’t live in my district.” [Okie]
IF he doesnt live in your DISTRICT, then why are so worried he was at your polling place… since if you arent in his district, his name wasnt ON your Ballot??
Candidate Name: Goyle Raj K
Filing Report
Address: 214 S Lochinvar ST
City: Wichita Zip: 67207 County: Sedgwick
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Wichita&state=ks&address=214+S+Lochinvar+St
“The libs here are amoung the dimmest people around”
Ya know what a person who is insecure in their own intellect does?
She makes a habit, now in almost every single post, of pronouncing every one else dumb. And she’s SO dumb, she seems to be unaware of the tell.
Chas how many times do I have to tell you that his name was on my ballot against Huy. He however did not vote at Maranantha.
Those who know what happened know what he did. Others didn’t care at the time. Now that he is running for a national office it will be more important.
I really didn’t bring this up to put Goyle down. twitt did that. He tried to tell us that because Kobach was a law professor at KU he should know the rules for fund raisers.
I merely stated that a Harvard Law grad didn’t know he couldn’t come into a polling place that ‘was not his voting place’ and go down the line shaking hands of prospective voters.
It started from there. This has lasted all day. I said why I knew it and that my husband and I viewed it with our own eyes.
I really didn’t know there was a legal statement from the DA on it until I looked for the coverage by the news channels and stumbled across it.
I have talked with Goyle. He is a personable enough person much like Obama. I just don’t agree with his politics and his ties are too deep with the ACLU for me. My own personal opinion. I even talked with him about his out of state contributors and he admitted that a large percentage of his donors were not from Kansas.
Enough said. Twitt blew this all out of proportion and called me a liar all day. That gets really old. I think I will take a long vacation from blogging. Might be back for the 2010 elections.
Have a great one.
okobserver
Posted October 21, 2009 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
Chas how many times do I have to tell you that his name was on my ballot against Huy. He however did not vote at Maranantha.
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That means that Goyle lives in your district but not in your precinct.
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okobserver
Posted October 21, 2009 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
I think I will take a long vacation from blogging. Might be back for the 2010 elections.
Have a great one.
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Buh-bye.
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Regular
Posted October 21, 2009 at 8:27 pm | Permalink
BTW, the address came from a report that the Capn made a link to on the blog, during working hours at WSU of course.
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Still haven’t gotten those panties unbunched?
Sux to be you.
I’m fine, very comfortable with the events of the day.
Sociopaths can turn off/on at will you know.
(chortles)
Fascinating how it works for the “conservatives.” Repeat the same lie on two consecutive days on two different threads, and then when called on it, blame everyone else and deny you said what you clearly said.
April 6, 2005, is the day I left the Republican Party, because far too many of them had clearly lost their minds. Today’s entertainment just proves I made the right choice, just perhaps not soon enough.
What’s interesting to me is how WE Blog CONs successfully hijacked this thread’s topic: that about the only-est job of the Kansas Secretary of State is ENFORCING ELECTION LAWS.
Remember that?
How ’bout when Kobach was run out of the Kansas Repubic Party (think about it: the KANSAS Repubic Party) after his little totally-illegal “caging” scheme to conduct fraudulent voter registration?
Remember that, CONs?
No. You’re “outraged” over ACORN instead.
Don’t ever attempt to talk about CON “principles,” CONs.
Ol’ “Regular” started this misdirection by being totally ignorant of the difference between on-campus political activism and actual HOASTING A FUNDRAISER on state-owned property.
Then Ol’ “Regular” came through with encouraging phone calls to “Capn_America,” defending the obvious internet abuse with a 3rd-Grader’s logic: “They did it, too!
WE Blog CONs are a slow-motion train-wreck.
And “Regular” (an ex-railroad mogul, according to his previous posts) the locomotive.
Good luck with that, CONs.
“Sociopaths can turn off/on at will you know. ”
Yeah. Well what kind of sucks for such disturbers of the peace is when other folks know where they live.
Monkeyhawk,
That seems to be the usual M.O. When there’s something unfavorable about one of their leaders, change the subject. When that doesn’t work, out people. When THAT doesn’t work, try to get them fired. Cheney set this example with Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame.
Chas
Posted October 21, 2009 at 7:53 pm | Permalink
“Yes Chas I am very certain he doesn’t live in my district.” [Okie]
IF he doesnt live in your DISTRICT, then why are so worried he was at your polling place… since if you arent in his district, his name wasnt ON your Ballot??
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Okie, IF Goyle doesnt live in your district, and IF you saw him at your polling place… Then IF — as YOU said –he doesnt live in your district… THEN, he most certainly was NOT on your Ballot…
and thus, could not have possibly been campaigning for himself…
IF on the other hand you didnt mean that he doesnt live in your DISTRICT, but you meant something ELSE, then, you could only have meant he doesnt live in your PRECINCT.
But with that all said, the obvious point is that in the Opinion of the D.A. HE DID NOTHING WRONG IN WHAT HE WAS DOING…
THEN, If you dont like her opinion, YOU run against her for D.A. and make everything RIGHT in the world…
Now, please tell ALL of us: WHAT THE HE!! does Rah Goyle shaking hands in your precinct polling place have to do the Mr. Kobach???
Not ONE THING about your Goyle story has anything at all to do with the Kobach story…. Are you telling us all that you have stuck with this Goyle thing all this time….. just to deflect, and distract from the issue of this THREAD???
What’s up with saying Goyle was at three polling places?
Here is exactly what okobserver posted (broken into paras so it’s easier to read, and bold emphasis is mine).
Where’s the three locations? Someone says they saw it on the news? After having remembered other ‘details’ inaccurately.
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okobserver Posted October 21, 2009 at 3:09 pm
“contact individuals in line to vote or in the general area where voting was occurring.
He was reported to have talked briefly with either voters or poll agents and generally milled about observing the election activities. There were no reports of any specific conversations related to Goyle’s campaign.
The supervising judge reported that she observed Goyle on the three occasions when he came to the church. On the first occasion she told him she felt his presence was inappropriate and asked him why he was there. He replied that he was a poll agent and was entitled to be there. The judge reported that Goyle stood around and observed.
She also reported she received a complaint that Goyle supporters were campaigning within 250 feet of the entrance. When she checked the report, she felt that the one individual she saw was well outside the 250 feet limitation.
Goyle’s reported activities are insufficient to establish the commission of the crime of electioneering under Kansas law. He was a poll agent and entitled to be at polling places, subject to the same law, rules, regulations and limitations that apply to every poll agent, including the law against electioneering. Candidates for elective office are made poll agents by operation of law. K.S.A. 25-3005a. His mere presence therefore could not by itself legally suffice as electioneering.
There were no specific allegations of any other acts that would show Goyle “knowingly attempting to persuade or influence eligible voters to vote for or against a particular candidate, party or question submitted.” The only substantiated reports show that Goyle had some limited contact of a general nature with voters he knew or other poll agents. Such evidence does not constitute electioneering.”
There were no specific allegations of any other acts that would show Goyle “knowingly attempting to persuade or influence eligible voters to vote for or against a particular candidate, party or question submitted.” The only substantiated reports show that Goyle had some limited contact of a general nature with voters he knew or other poll agents. Such evidence does not constitute electioneering.”
Cutting steak at a steak house doesn’t constitute eating either.
However, the ulitmate purpose of being there denies the realities with such action.
The offending posts Regular made have been removed! So even this non-moderated blog has a line that can’t be crossed. That’s a good step in a better direction!
okobserver
Posted October 20, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
I agree with you on this LJ but I personally saw Goyle do some very questionable things when he ran against Huy. He was filmed in three different polling places going down the line of waiting voters introducing himself and electioneering
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Kansas GERM – telling bald face LIES. Please! Tell me it is not true!
Sorry, I had a moment,or two, of weakness…
Time to turn in my broken chip…