Hays superintendent Fred Kaufman, who is president of the Schools for Fair Funding group, told his school board last week that interest has been unexpectedly high among districts in joining the group in another school-finance lawsuit against the state. He had thought the group might end up representing a fifth of the K-12 enrollment in Kansas. But “it could turn out to be as much as half of the students in Kansas would be involved,” he said.
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But “it could turn out to be as much as half of the students in Kansas would be involved, he said.
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What a load of Barbara Striesand. This is not about students at all. This is about using the courts to force taxation on the people. If anything, it will hurt students. Montoy was a terrible decision based on an improper interpretation of what the Kansas Constitution says. Contact your local Superintendent of Schools and tell him you don’t want anything to do with S.F.F.F.
In a better world….
(knock knoock knock)
“Hi, I’m airman Roger Ramjet U.S. air force. Our unit needs more flying practice time in our tankers. So I’m selling these knick knacks to help us raise money.If I sell $50 worth of this crap, I get a chance to spend a week at happy camp. Can I interest you in a candle or some inedible candy?
Some people are stupid.
By definition, 50% of all students are below average.
So the question becomes:
Do we encourage kids to stay in school and get a diploma? Or do we raise the standards for graduation and cause more kids to drop out of school?
I dunno the answer.
I really don’t know.
But c’mon, “chrissfrommactown.” To reduce this complicated issue into a one-size-fits-all conspiracy is simply ignorant.
Yeah, yeah. The GOV-Munt just wants to take your money, your guns, and your teenaged virgin daughters; that what it’s for.
You CONs never fail to astound me with your arrogant ignorance.
If state revenue collections continue to come in below expectations…
So, let’s blame the State Budget that the legislature adheres to – stupid.
The other complaint was about the necessity of computers in school. The what??? Most families this days have computers in their homes and those who don’t can get computer training in college.
I managed to get through the math, sciences, literature, languages, history and etc. with nothing but a slide rule when I was in high and middle school (called Junior High back then.)
Montoy was perhaps the greatest case of judicial power run amok in Kansas history; we’ve no need for a round two. The relationship between the judiciary and the legislature – who, despite the judiciary’s arrogance, legitimately makes taxing and spending decisions – has still not been repaired.
Montoy showed that a constitutional mandate is not a suggestion to the legislature to act, it is a moral and legal directive to fund the needs of our educational institutions.
We can argue all day about outcomes, but the constitution is clear about the legislative duty.
At first glance, Montoy was indeed a grab of power by a judge who, for whatever reason, decided to take it.
However, there is a simple trail of logic that would state otherwise. At least, as far as I remember the case (which could be faulty)
1) The State COnstitution states
“(b) The legislature shall make suitable provision for finance of the educational interests of the state”
2)The state legislature commisoned at least one study (maybe more?) to define adequate financing
3) The state legislature ignored it’s own studies.
Perhaps the Montoy ruling wasn;t so bad after all.
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Regular
Posted October 13, 2009 at 8:41 am | Permalink
I managed to get through the math, sciences, literature, languages, history and etc. with nothing but a slide rule when I was in high and middle school (called Junior High back then.)
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Lucky bastid! We could only dream of having a slide rule to work with. Our Unified School District was so underfunded we had to get by using dilapidated abaci.
Lucky bastid! We could only dream of having a slide rule to work with. Our Unified School District was so underfunded we had to get by using dilapidated abaci.
We bought our own. They were only like 50 cents at the local dime store. :)
LJ –
If that’s as far as Montoy went, I’d agree. It’s not. The court then proceeded to dictate how much must be spent, specifically, on various outlays in order for the outlays to be constitutional.
At that point, the court’s no longer adjudicating and applying the law or constitution. They’re legislating. And that is outside their authority.
What happens if the legislature does not follow the formula laid out for them? Does the court declare the legislature to be in contempt? Can they do so? Under what authority? And how do they enforce such an order?
Courts engaging in such judicial legislating opens a huge pandora’s box. And, predictably, the legislature pushed back, and the repurcussions are still being felt.
Bad case.
“Daniel” –
Your school could afford an abacus?!
When I was in school, we had to bring a smart pony into math class to tap out the answers in the dust with his hoof!
But you tell kids that these days and they don’t believe ya!
And they play on my lawn!
GMC70-
You may be right. I don’t remember all the details of the case.
“The court then proceeded to dictate how much must be spent, specifically, on various outlays in order for the outlays to be constitutional.”
That does indees sound outside the court’s jurisdiction. Unfortunately, when you let the cat out of the bag, it usually does a lot of damage when you try and put it back in.
I guess i will have to go back and reread the ruling in it’s entirety.
Monkeyhawk
Posted October 13, 2009 at 12:05 pm | Permalink
“Daniel” –
Your school could afford an abacus?!
When I was in school, we had to bring a smart pony into math class to tap out the answers in the dust with his hoof!
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This brings to mind a Python skit I vaguely remember but am having no luck locating anywhere on teh internets.
Hate to threadjack but I’ve been meaning to ask…
a couple of months ago you mentioned a movie about a Marine accompanying the body of a young Marine back to the young man’s hometown. The name of the movie slipped my mind. What was the name of the movie? My Netflix queue is getting short.
When I was in school, we had to bring a smart pony into math class to tap out the answers in the dust with his hoof!
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Pfft! Luxury!
My brothers and I had to get up a 4 in morning, track down a wild boar, domesticate it ourselves, and teach it algebra with the hopes that it might grunt out the answers during our daily ‘to the death’ math wars.
Not every family has a computer, not by a longshot. The Wichita schools have a program whereby they accept donated computers from businesses and get them into the hands of families who don’t have one. Whether one agrees with the Montoy decision or not, it stands as a judicial outcome. Kansas does operate under a Constitution, and the only way to change the ruling is to amend the Constitution to delete the provision mandating suitable financing of public education. That would be politically difficult to do, so Montoy will continue to hang over the legislature. And you can hardly blame the plaintiffs for seeking its enforcement. When you win a lawsuit, and the losing party doesn’t abide by the decision, you take any available legal recourse to enforce it.