Rather than leave health care reform to Democrats, “conservatives should seize the mantle of reform and lead,” Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal wrote. He offered 10 ideas to increase the affordability and quality of health care (nearly all of which have been around for some time). The proposals include voluntary purchasing pools, lawsuit reform, increased transparency and payment reform, electronic medical records, tax-free health savings accounts, rewarding healthy lifestyle choices and requiring coverage of pre-existing conditions. “The public is interested in solutions that will improve America’s health-care system, not dismantle it,” Jindal wrote. “Republicans can lead on this.”
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Jindal is a big fan of exorcisms. Why doesn’t he put together a proposal/ceremony to exorcise the dollar-munching insurance demons from our current healthcare system?
64% of Americans want a public health insurance option. That includes 10% who voted for McCain last November.
The Repubic Party is shilling for campaign contributions from for-profit health care providers who enjoy a 16%-per-year increase in income while the rest of us are suffering economic crises…mostly due to the high price of health coverage.
“MonkeyHawk” – whines
64% of Americans want a public health insurance option. That includes 10% who voted for McCain last November.
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92.5% of the 64% of the Americans that want a public health insurance option can’t intelligently discuss what ‘public health insurance option’ means. That includes 46% of the 10% who voted for McCain.
“HLP” –
I’ve heard chiropractors are in abject terror they may lose out on the Medicare/Medicade gravy train because it might, y’know, decide not to cover quackery.
Is that true?
Huh, none of those Republican options say health care is a right. It is you know. We won’t have it any other way.
bj talking about “we” again…..must have a turrrdd in his pocket
We Americans deserve an affordable health care system for all.
If health-care sees meaningful reform even the naysayers will benefit, and the Republican Party knows that. Therefore they will fight and do everything they can to ensure no American benefits while the president and majority of Congress are from the Democratic Party.
LOL!
Yeah, that’s it! Medicare/Medicaid gravy train!
We’ll retire to our house in Bequia if things get too stupid.
Buh bye kept guy.
The party of NO is too entrenched in serving its corporate masters to “lead on healthcare” or anything else for that matter.
Cutting the estate tax for the rich is not going to do it this time.
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HLP
Posted October 7, 2009 at 7:17 am | Permalink
92.5% of the 64% of the Americans that want a public health insurance option can’t intelligently discuss what ‘public health insurance option’ means. That includes 46% of the 10% who voted for McCain.
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96% of the 32% of the people who don’t want a public health care option still think the governments going to kill their granny. 87% of the 98% of the 32% of the people who don’t want a public health care option take Viagra. 28% of the 87% of the 98% of the 32% of the people who don’t want a public health care option who took Viagra still couldn’t perform. Their wives are probably keeping Chinese employed by buying “toys”.
Hank opposes allowing other Americans to get what he’s gotten all his life–gov’t run health care.
Oh wait, no. He got it free. He doesn’t want other Americans to get it even if they pay for it.
That’s why he’s a CON.
Good morning Walker!
You seem to be posting about your personal experiences!
72% of all statistics are made up.
“64% of Americans want a public health insurance option. That includes 10% who voted for McCain last November.” -MH
Here we go again with pre alrabra lib logic. Monkey once confessed that he was’nt very good at math and now he makes a fool of himself.
Enlighten us Monkey with how you derived at that number. Was it Phantom’s “30% of 54% or 30/54 which is roughly 64%”.
I’ve got a deal for you Monkey on a some seaside property in Arizona. I’ll give you a 90% discount on the 5% downpayment of the 80% financing with 5% interest rate and you only pay 2 points for the origination fee.
“We’ll retire to our house in Bequia if things get too stupid.”‘
So, you wouldn’t be here to collect your Government money and contribute to society training a dog to molest goats?
I’ll help you pack.
Brad seems to be a little snarky this morning.
Jealous?
“bj talking about “we” again…..must have a turrrdd in his pocket”
Didn’t you know that BJ is the Spokesman for all Liberals.
The Republican health plan.
Don’t get sick! If you do get sick, die quickly.
Junior seems to be snarkier than usual.
Jealous.
Hank runs true to form–any criticism of his selfish and hypocritial position is just “snark” motivated by “jealousy.”
Not a single CON could answer my simple question of a few days ago: What would you do for health insurance if you lost your job?
Maybe you’d like to try it, Hank.
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HLP
Posted October 7, 2009 at 8:15 am | Permalink
Good morning Walker!
You seem to be posting about your personal experiences!
72% of all statistics are made up.
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Mornin’ Hank!
Nope . . . but 100% of mine were made up, how about yours? Point taken?
Hey libs,
“You should read the book “How to lie with statistics” – Jed.
It’s written for the mathematically challenged emotionally driven left.
Point taken, it’s the same as mine.
When are you and XXX coming out for the monthly poker game?
Like the people in the Russian Revolution were “jealous” there Hank.
Hey, Donn–
What would you do for health care insurance if you lost your job?
What would you do for health insurance if you lost your job?
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First off, that wasn’t your original question.
Secondly the answer to your unmodified question is;
Go to the hospital.
“Maybe you’d like to try it, Hank.”
I think it was answered, conservatives would just buy their own coverage. High deductible to protect assets and take care of routine costs themselves.
Or, you can serve 21 years in the United States Navy Submarine Force and benefit from lifetime coverage.
Got a problem with that, Brad?
What happens to Tiahrt’s health insurance policy if he loses for the Senate and can’t get hired on someplace right away.
Let me guess–he’s covered by federal regulations . . .
GOP needs to start leading on health care
No thanks. We’ve had quite enough of that. Just get them out of the way.
The Republicans have had a plan since this began and just like the rest of the democrats, Obama will not even lend them an ear. They are like little children that hold their ears with their hands and say “Nah Nah Nah, I can’t hear you.
What is he so afraid of? The trial lawyers? It’s time he started acting like a leader and working with the republicans and any democrat that disagrees with him too.
It is pathetic when you have a President who will listen to dictators before he listens to any of his congress members, not just the democrats but the republicans too.
And they wonder why he and the great Oprah couldn’t get Chicago for the Olympics. Go figure.
“Or, you can serve 21 years in the United States Navy Submarine Force ”
Ran away to sea and let the Government raise his kid.
Got a problem with that, Brad?
Yes, I do got a problem with that.
1. If you lost your job, you might not have money for any coverage, high deductible or not.
2. If you have a pre-existing condition, you’re not going to be able to buy any insurance at any price.
3. I thank you for your government service. However, it is extrememly mean-spirited to deny your fellow Americans access to the care you get for free even when we’re willing to pay for it.
Jealous!
hehehe
CapnAmerica
Posted October 7, 2009 at 8:35 am | Permalink
Got a problem with that, Brad?
Yes, I do got a problem with that.
1. If you lost your job, you might not have money for any coverage, high deductible or not.
2. If you have a pre-existing condition, you’re not going to be able to buy any insurance at any price.
3. I thank you for your government service. However, it is extrememly mean-spirited to deny your fellow Americans access to the care you get for free even when we’re willing to pay for it.
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Solution: Go to the Hospital or to one of the MANY charity organizations.
Damn you LIBs are helpless.
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HLP
Posted October 7, 2009 at 8:27 am | Permalink
Point taken, it’s the same as mine.
When are you and XXX coming out for the monthly poker game?
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Everyone knows Republicans like to play with a stacked deck :-)
Hank doesn’t want health care reform. Then, people would go to REAL doctors. Problematic when you are in the witch doctor racket.
Capn says “However, it is extrememly mean-spirited to deny your fellow Americans access to the care you get for free even when we’re willing to pay for it.”
Uhh, he doesnt get it for free genius. He invested 21 years of his life to get it.
Not a single CON could answer my simple question of a few days ago: What would you do for health insurance if you lost your job?
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Already did –
COBRA
Hunter Health Clinic
etc.
You did say between jobs, so it would be a temporary thing.
Right, “Heckler” –
Of course he was getting government health care through all those 21 years, too.
And now he lives off the gravy of political lobbyists getting chiro-quackery payments for glorified back massages.
Chiropractors claim to be able to cure diabetes, cancer, lumbago, and mumps with subluxation of the spine.
At least snake-oil salesmen provided a show. “HLP” merely answers the phone and cashes checks from the government.
“However, it is extrememly mean-spirited to deny your fellow Americans access to the care you get for free even when we’re willing to pay for it.”
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Poor Brad, comes up with a premise that’s so false one doesn’t know where to begin!
Poor pregnant Mexican Tiajuana prostitutes can figure out how to get accross the border and have anchor babies that will be American citizens and benefit from our welfare system for life.
But poor, delusioned Brad marches to the government tune. That allows him to post without ever having an intelligent thought.
You’d think we could expect more from a government paid ‘educator’.
HLP
Monkey”boy” jealous too.
GO JOIN THE NAVY. And shut up.
Chiropractors claim to be able to cure diabetes, cancer, lumbago, and mumps with subluxation of the spine.
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Are all LIBs this stupid?
I have never met a Chiropractor that claimed those things.
Just like with an MD, if they claim they can cure your inability to see through lead…Go somewhere else.
Poor Monkeyhawk,
He’s been reduced to following Juniors meme. Unable to join the debate with anything meaningful Monkeyhawk follows the lead of the new liberal BLOG leader, BlueJay!
LOL
There are over 120 Republican-written amendments approved and included in the reform bills under consideration.
Saying that the Democratic majority are cutting the GOP out is a false statement.
BlueJay is not liberal, he is a hardcore leftist just like the Capn, Jed, Pmama and etc.
There is no middle ground for the Leftists, even in Liberal policies.
Congrats for getting back on subject, DavidB!
Any of those republican amendments made it out of committee yet?
There’s a couple of pretty good ones that have gone down on party line votes. Like the one that would have a bill posted on line for 72 hours before bening voted on.
Congrats for getting back on subject, DavidB!
Any of those republican amendments made it out of committee yet?
There’s a couple of pretty good ones that have gone down on party line votes. Like the one that would have a bill posted on line for 72 hours before bening voted on.
Congrats for getting back on subject, DavidB!
Any of those republican amendments made it out of committee yet?
There’s a couple of pretty good ones that have gone down on party line votes. Like the one that would have a bill posted on line for 72 hours before bening voted on.
Congrats for getting back on subject, DavidB!
Any of those republican amendments made it out of committee yet?
There’s a couple of pretty good ones that have gone down on party line votes. Like the one that would have a bill posted on line for 72 hours before bening voted on.
“HLP” –
Your non-denial of chiropractic quackery is noted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebral_subluxation
hud…….as i said must have turrrds in his pocket
so monkey………you been to the chiro…………….since you know what they can heal…..just a question.
“COBRA
Hunter Health Clinic”
COBRA costs more than most people’s unemployment benefits.
Does the Hunter Health clinic have an MRI machine? Do they do chemotherapy there?
National health care now!
As long as insurance providers teaming with government are in between the patients and the doctors you will see increasing healthcare costs and more people falling in between the cracks.
Republicans need to start leading on health care is like saying landlords need to start leading on rent control.
But there’s no place like here to give them a chance.
Resolved: Health care should be a basic right for all Americans. Let’s see if we can get ONE to agree to that.
Resolved: Boats should be a basic right for all Americans. Let’s see if we can get ONE to agree to that.
Should be interesting to hear the CBO report on the cost of the proposed reform, if it is not deficit neutral I hope Obama stays true to his word that if it raises taxes he will reject it.
Senate Health Bill Imposes $29B More in Taxes
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/06/b-taxes-senate-health/?test=latestnews
Has anyone in here mentioned how government already controls healthcare in this country through the insurance providers?
That may be a more interesting topic than the current one.
“wichhick” –
Yeah, I’ve been to a
quackchiropractor.A couple of ‘em, actually.
The first one announced he specialized in “non-contact subluxation.” He had me lay prone on the table and held his hands one inch over my body for ten minutes and recommended 10 more visits (as long as my insurance would pay for them. he offered to check that out.)
I decided maybe my lower back pain might need something else and the guy gave be a pretty nice-feeling massage and suggested 10 more treatments (or whatever my insurance would pay for).
In both waiting rooms I read the literature and learned all disease can be cured by subluxation of the vertebrae. Cancer, diabetes, allergies, the yaws….
Then I went to an osteopath and she suggested I take all my cards and photos and crap out of my wallet or don’t sit on it when it’s in my hip pocket. She suggested Advil ’til the pain went away (and the pain soon went away) and I carry a skinnier wallet these days.
Two chiro-quacks missed out on 18 additional “treatments.” And Blue Cross would’ve paid ‘em if I’d signed up.
So would Medicare and Mecaid, thanks to political contributions to idiot politicians.
You want a good back-rub? Go to the edge of town and pay for a “massage.” (Be sure to tip for the “happy ending.”) I have no problem with you doing that, but don’t expect taxpayers to pay for it via Medicare or Medicare or the insurance plan I contribute to.
The first one announced he specialized in “non-contact subluxation.”
In both waiting rooms I read the literature and learned all disease can be cured by subluxation of the vertebrae. Cancer, diabetes, allergies, the yaws….
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And you stayed?
Back pain is not your problem, gullibility is.
That will be $50 cash.
Take care.
BlueJay, from the Socialist Left:
Posted October 7, 2009 at 10:00 am | Permalink
“COBRA
Hunter Health Clinic”
COBRA costs more than most people’s unemployment benefits.
Does the Hunter Health clinic have an MRI machine? Do they do chemotherapy there?
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No, and they don’t do brain surgery either. That wasn’t the question. It was about health care between jobs.
COBRA serves a lot people that have good jobs, which is something you probably don’t know about – good jobs that is.
But do prattle on with the worst case scenario or you can be like cosmos and start in with some global disaster of some sort.
MonkeyHock lies with: Then I went to an osteopath and she suggested I take all my cards and photos and crap out of my wallet or don’t sit on it when it’s in my hip pocket. She suggested Advil ’til the pain went away (and the pain soon went away) and I carry a skinnier wallet these days.
That joke is as old as wallets.
ANTI
Posted October 7, 2009 at 10:06 am | Permalink
Resolved: Boats should be a basic right for all Americans. Let’s see if we can get ONE to agree to that.
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I want an extra bow well and a cooler built in by the steering wheel.
With fore and aft trolling motors I can guide from the helm
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ANTI
Posted October 7, 2009 at 10:06 am | Permalink
Resolved: Boats should be a basic right for all Americans. Let’s see if we can get ONE to agree to that.
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I’ll back you on your boat idea but only if you agree to add motorcycles as well. Deal?
I’ll back you on your boat idea but only if you agree to add motorcycles as well. Deal?
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Why not, after all it’s from the Gov. so it must be free!
I want an extra bow well and a cooler built in by the steering wheel.
With fore and aft trolling motors I can guide from the helm
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It’s free Gov. givaway days!
Just like magic, the Gov. will make your wish come true!
“COBRA serves a lot people that have good jobs, which is something you probably don’t know about – good jobs that is.”
And you would? Let’s remind everyone that you are a complete ward of the state. When did you EVER work for a living?
You know, a fifth wheel would be really cool, too.
Let’s remind everyone that you are a complete ward of the state. -BlueJay
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IF that is the case BlueJay, you should hoist Reg up on your shoulders as your hero!
Isn’t being a ward of the state something you wish everyone could be a part of?
Daniel
Posted October 7, 2009 at 10:49 am | Permalink
You know, a fifth wheel would be really cool, too.
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It’s your right as an American. It’s in the Constitution, something about general welfare…
Tell ya what,
I’llthe Gov. will throw in a 4 door luxury diesel truck to pull your brand new 5th wheel.Well if owning a boat is a right then so is hunting and fishing. So I want a fully equipped boat,and everything I need to hunt.
Regular wants more soup.
oh and I’ll need land to hunt on
Well if owning a boat is a right then so is hunting and fishing. So I want a fully equipped boat,and everything I need to hunt.
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Sure, it’s free, brought to you by the Gov.
Surely there are no bad repercussions from all these giveaways….I mean the Fed can just make the money to pay for it…
Welcome to the bird feeder!
Let’s remind everyone that you are a complete ward of the state. ———————————————-
Blue Jay’s ultimate goal
oh and I’ll need land to hunt on
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Hmmm….The fed can’t create land.
But we can take it from the Canadians, they are such children after all.
Yeah Anti,
All they gotta do is fire up the printing press and put on an extra shift
Anti,
Well if it’s going to be in Canada I’ll need a cabin with all the ameneties
Freebird1971
Posted October 7, 2009 at 10:57 am | Permalink
oh and I’ll need land to hunt on
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The government can section off a few hundred acres in Yellowstone. That is, if you don’t mind a few geysers.
The government can section off a few hundred acres in Yellowstone.
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The Gov. should poison the bears and cougars so everyone can hunt safely….and throw in some wheelchair ramps, and level the land so that it doesn’t exceed a 2% slope.
Sound shovel ready to me.
Being a LIB is a breeze, no consequences to think about…This is great!
They’ll need to put in male and female outhouses as well.
I heard that the newest game in the park would be the Watermelon Skunk.
Green on the outside, red on the inside.
oops, my bad – that’s the Watermelon Weasle
“oh and I’ll need land to hunt on”
And there was a time when the Government would have given it to you.
Now, Republicans want to insist that Americans have no right to even basic health care.
Good thing they won’t prevail.
They’ll need to put in male and female outhouses as well.
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Do forget about the “Gender Confused” outhouses.
Do forget should be Don’t forget
Too late, I already forgot it.
This is tiring.
Sigh…
I think I put on my Birkenstocks and wrap myself in my hemp blanket and relax in my Gov. issue hammock.
Forgot what?
;)
I don’t know why the slaves complained so much. They had a LIB utopia.
Free room and board, minimal health care, made no profits, and all the fruits of their labor went directly to the entity that provided for them.
What could have been so bad?
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ANTI
Posted October 7, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink
Tell ya what,
I’llthe Gov. will throw in a 4 door luxury diesel truck to pull your brand new 5th wheel.=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Good call on the pick’em-up truck. I can run bio-diesel through that sucker and enhance my LIB street cred.
I can run bio-diesel through that sucker and enhance my LIB street cred.
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Tru dat, homes.
That black smoke will smell like french fries.
Tah dow.
anti/freebird: Be careful, we’ve tried before to invade Canada. The Revolutionary War saw us kicked pretty hard by those pesky socialsits who did not flock to the colors like they were supposed to. Then Madison started a war with Britain as excuse for a huge land grab in 1812, when their mother country was fully occupied with Napoleon, but that ended up with us being repulsed, then they campaigned in Michigan, took Detroit then moved on to Ohio. Seems we had to ask nicely for the swaths of land they held at the end in both Michigan and Maine as part of the Treaty of Ghent. It’s now the other way around, do you have any idea how many of them own property in the South? I suggest just a swap, like hundreds of acres of swamp (they’ll take it, it’s warm) for a piece of British Columbia.
Yeah, Canadians were powerhouses (with the help of the British Army) in the 18th century.
In the 21st century – not so much.
CraponAmerika-
2. If you have a pre-existing condition, you’re not going to be able to buy any insurance at any price.
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Complete and total LIE.
Regular
Posted October 7, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
Yeah, Canadians were powerhouses (with the help of the British Army) in the 18th century.
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Yeh, they completely wiped out about 4 or 5 tribes…..
I wonder if they have aplogized….
Regardless of what anyone wants, Harry Reid wants it more and he’s got the keys to the vault. This whole “republicans need to lead” is a bunch o’ horse schitt. There is not a chance they could stop this from going through anyway. In any case, Harry Reid is going to back door this thing and you have nothing to say about it.
We are ruled, not represented.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/55081
biassed,
“Complete and total LIE.”
Of course it is. I’ve been there, seen it done. The agent offers you a policy with low caps, an impossibly high deductible, and a premium triple your total household income. It’s of course your choice to take it or leave it.
“GOP needs to start leading on health care”
That train done left the station! CBO says 829 bil., and a decrease in the debt. More decrease if you throw in the ‘public option’. Pubs got nuthin’, even dole says there just fighting it to be fighting.
What a great opportunity to cut off all taxpayer funding and public and private insurance coverage for abortion, drastically reducing the number of abortions.
It’s a start on abolition.
biased1 : Actually there were no Indian Wars at all in the expansion of their half of the continent. And yes they have apologized for the missionary schools the first nations kids were forced into as part of trying to assimilate into modern day actuals. Thinking education was the way up and out, they emulated our practice of what was considered by 18-19th century man as charitable and logical. Unfortunely we all discovered that missionaries=shock troops of cultural genocide.
Now I gotta tell the truth about the 1812 War bit. The New England States would not take part in Mr. Madison’s war nor would the militia of most Border State whose constitution forbade foreign service, hence no invasion in strength ever took place. Most of the Border States had family north of the line, very much like to-day, so it was hard for anybody to generate much excitement or anger on either side locally. Still is, from my personal experiences.
Troyboy,
“It’s a start on abolition.”
No, think of it as another and equally fatal stab at prohibition. Abortion has always been available in one form or another no matter what laws have been passed, and your efforts will make no more a dent in it than Comstock’s or any of the others did. Further, I think you know this and just don’t care, as long as you get your 15 minutes out of it.