Were the “liberal” media to blame for health reform’s stumble last month? The Washington Post’s E.J. Dionne thinks so. “I’ve spoken with Democratic House members, most from highly contested districts, about what happened in their town halls,” he wrote. “None would deny polls showing that the health-reform cause lost ground last month, but little of the probing civility that characterized so many of their forums was ever seen on television.” Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas, told Dionne he viewed the shouters at his meetings as taking “the Ron Paul libertarian position that represents 2 to 5 percent of the country.”
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Never underestimate the decibel level of crazy.
Off to meet up with family for the big Labor Day weekend and small town festivities. Not sure if I will even have an Internet connection unless I can pull in a stray wireless signal.
So, I’d like to pose a poll question that I can look at later, and that question is…..
‘So….how’s that whole ‘hopey-changey’ thing working out for ya? Still got a job? Got that big tax cut Hussein promised 95% of us yet? And actually there are dozens of others that little to NOTHING has been done on or even started. Hum, doesn’t look to promising on most or all of the reason’s the dummies voted him in now does it!
Nothing racist about this town meeting –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEIcsOL2n4&feature=player_embedded
Stay classy, CONs.
“Nothing racist about this town meeting –”–Monkey
That’s for sure….the racist asking the question could speak English, he started off in English, and then used Spanish as an insult to those attending the meeting and wanting to listen and learn.
It was extremely rude on his part and should not have been permitted.
This remains an English speaking country and while using a native language is fine, and should be encouraged for personal use, to do so in a public situation where English is spoken is insulting.
You’re an idiot Monkey.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism when done by the left. It is crazed fanaticism when undertaken against a plan offered by the left. That’s the way the media frames it, in a nutshell.
“Boxlock20″ –
The questioner was fluent in Spanish. The congressman was fluent in Spanish. The congressman translated the question for the mono-lingual yahoos (like you) who considered it an affront to their racism.
I speak a little Spanish. I can read German but couldn’t get past “Ein klein Lowenbrau in any bar this side of Dusseldorf.”
But if I wanted to discuss an important political issue to an elected official in the precise words I knew s/he would understand, I might pick the language we both understand in depth.
But you hear a person speaking another language and declare it “…should not have been permitted.”
So let’s get it clear: in your opinion, is Freedom of Speech limited to English?
Poor oppressed right wing. They don’t get no respect.
Right wingers nearly spitting on the disabled….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/02/wheelchair-bound-woman-sh_n_275472.html
The ‘news’ has always been of the spectacular, the most controversial. So if you believed the noisy disruptions told the full and complete story that isn’t the fault of the media.
The town-hall meetings have given every American the opportunity to see who is protesting what and how they are protesting. We’ve also seen who has solutions and ideas and who doesn’t.
ALL people deserve to be treated with respect and compassion. Those who are unable to behave in a civil manner have made statements about themselves, because being kind to another person is a statement about you, not about them.
Here is a great example of a Senator talking to constituents. We could use 100 Senators just like this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNs7Zpqo98
Great example, MoneyH! Sheesh!
The left continues to deny the real, and broad based opposition to the health care proposals, stimulus etc.
They do this at the Democrats peril in Congress. It is now conceivable that the Dems loose the House next year, and if they do, it will not be b/c the media showed racaus town halls.
Reading the comments made to the YouTube that Monkeyhawk linked to is interesting too — tells more of the story!
Well, frankiefurter, I think meaningful health-care reform can be accomplished before those elections you’re concerned about.
BOXLOCK!!! LOL!!! Tell me again who was rude in the video?
Tell me again that the Bishop being shouted down was the rude one? Please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEIcsOL2n4&feature=player_embedded
“frankiefurter” gives us –
“The left continues to deny the real, and broad based opposition to the health care proposals, stimulus etc.”
But it isn’t “broad based opposition,” “frankiefurter.”
CONs CONtinually tell us they’ll accept health care coverage for those who can’t afford it. CONs tell us the weakest and the most vulnerable deserve help from society to get the health care they need. CONs (when forced into the logical corner they driven themselves into) have to disagree with the concept: “No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick.” But they can’t quite explain why.
Frankly, uhm, “frankiefurter” –
The only basis for “…real and broad based opposition” becomes evident is some Democrat in in the White House has addressed some of the important issues of the day.
LOL.. they should bite his pinkie off!
Thanks Weblog! I had missed this latest update on the “reason” American’s are not supporting Obamacare and democrats. It couldn’t be as simple as the plan sucks to most of us.
What was it first?
Republican gangs and mobsters?
then,
astroturf (more on this later)
then,
Misinformed robots who were believing lies
then,
UnAmericans
then,
Nazi’s
then,
Did I miss anything?
Oh I forgot, Monkeyhawk actually reminded me.
The people against the healthcare plan are also…
stupid
“So let’s get it clear: in your opinion, is Freedom of Speech limited to English?”
In a public meeting with an overwhelming majority of English speaking participants and attendees, and when English is easily possible by both the speaker and the questioner, to use a language unintelligible to most if not everyone else in the room is most certainly rude and undoubtedly an intentional slight. He should have been given reasonable time to express himself and if done so in Spanish….ignored!
I have a friend whose ‘native’ language is Hungarian. She speaks English, but she once told me she wished she could talk to me in Hungarian because it was the way she was best able to express herself. She said English doesn’t come without thinking about each word and that removes her ability to speak as clearly and concisely, with the emotions and meanings that come more easily with her Hungarian words.
I’m guessing that’s true for many who speak English but it isn’t their native language.
“American_Way” admits –
“…people against the healthcare plan are also stupid.”
Recognizing your problem is the first step toward solving it.
Wow. I already knew Al Franken was a sharp cookie, but back in the “Franken and Davis” days, I never would have guessed he was so adept at handling a crowd.
Notice the teabagger guy immediately leaping to racism: “Do they have a lot of immigrants there”
I know Clinton got savaged for his health care proposals, and even though Bill was sometimes called “the first black president,” I haven’t wanted to reduce the even the extreme fringe opposition to only racism.
But the more I hear, the more clear that it’s at least a factor. The type of criticisms I continually hear, things “Obama only wants to help people on welfare,” “Obama won’t do anything for people who work for a living,” and, yes, “only blacks and Mexicans benefit under Obama” (nothing racist there) would be somewhat less likely if the guy in charge didn’t have dark skin.
And there’s little question this poisonous undercurrent leads to some of the loonier objections, i.e., OMG! He wants to talk to our kids!
What would have been great is if the person asking his question in Spanish, in a room full of English speaking people interested in what was going on, would have been given time, uninterrupted, to finish what he was saying and then the floor simply turned over to the next questioner without a single comment.
That’s how it should have been handled.
“Boxlock20″ –
Again:
The questioner is fluent in Spanish.
The congressmen (to whom the questioner is asking the question) is fluent in Spanish.
The guy didn’t ask a question to the crowd; he asked the congressman.
So my point stands. Your view of Freedom of Speech is limited to English.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Those town halls showed us much!
REPUBLICAN Kansas Representative Lynn Jenkins laughed at a single mother with no insurance and told her to “grow up”.
A con rabble rouser at another town hall shouted down a woman in a wheel chair.
In general, we have learned that Republicans and their dupes believe that NO American has a right to health care.
These town halls taught us that we have no small number of people in this country who are either naturally born to or frightened into hating their fellow American. This SHOULD be the epitaph of the Republican party.
But I’m not counting on it.
The Washington Post’s E.J. Dionne thinks so. “I’ve spoken with Democratic House members, most from highly contested districts, about what happened in their town halls,”
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THAT is all you need to read. You can STOP after that point.
EJ Dionne talks to a bunch of Democrats about the Town Hall meetings and forms some “newsworthy” opinion without hearing all sides of the story.
Enough of this CONTINUOUS LIBERAL PROPAGANDA!
The People voice their opinions in Town Hall meetings, and the PRESS can do nothing but attack the People in a feeble attempt to discredit public opinion – which Opposes National Healthcare!
Well, off to meet up with family for the weekend, including my 10 year old granddaughter who is pretty fluent in Spanish as well, but has the courtesy to speak English around English speaking people.
Much smarter and more courteous child than the guy in the video….right Monkey!
If the yahoos hadn’t been shouting him down, the bishop could have asked his question, Hines could have translated and answered (as he did), and it would have been over and done.
And anyone with more maturity than a three-year-old would have simply let the question get asked. But since they were knee-jerk nativists who use of Spanish as some kind of attack on America, they of course acted like cranky three-year-olds.
And, unsurprisingly, the confirmed bigot Boxlock defends them.
In general, we have learned that Republicans and their dupes believe that NO American has a right to health care.
More generally, if you examine the language, the supporters tend to refer to “we,” and give examples of family, friends, etc. The opponents tend to use “we” only when referring to taxpayers (i.e. “our friggin’ money!”). There is no “we” when it comes to anything else.
Same old story. Got mine, up yours. And incredibly, I suspect many of them are getting a raw deal from their insurance companies, and probably even hating life.
But they see a black man trying to take away what little they have and give it to welfare queens. And they’re terrified! So they yell, and tote guns, and make allusions to assassinating tyrants.
It’s not quite that simple, of course (the nut who showed up at Obama’s Phoenix even with a semiautomatic happened to be black).
But insert Thomas Frank here.
Boxlock offers >>>
So, I’d like to pose a poll question that I can look at later, and that question is…..
‘So….how’s that whole ‘hopey-changey’ thing working out for ya? Still got a job? Got that big tax cut Hussein promised 95% of us yet? And actually there are dozens of others that little to NOTHING has been done on or even started. Hum, doesn’t look to promising on most or all of the reason’s the dummies voted him in now does it!
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OK, so you ask THREE questions, and offer a comment filled with partial truths….
Which one is your “Poll” question??? Hmmmm??
Looks like just more of the Bigot Box ineptness….
OK — I have a question… Just ONE question…
Does anybody have a prediction as to how long it will be, before one of the Right Wing Extremist Crazies attempts to assasinate Obama??
Lynn Jenkins summing up the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of her existence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNfdNs-NrWk
How exactly would a tax credit (which increases the deficit, by the way) help an uninsured waitress? Oh right! She needs be a grown up and make enough money to buy private insurance (you priced private insurance lately?).
What a scumbag.
The assasination theme I’ve only read coming from the Lib side.
Not sure the motivation, extreme fear at being beaten politically, or diversionary, or some combination, not sure, but it’s always coming from the left.
Does anybody have a prediction as to how long it will be, before one of the Right Wing Extremist Crazies attempts to assasinate Obama??
Hard to say. One possible use of the creepy domestic spying program would be to catch that kind of subsurface chatter early–assuming it can separated from the mountains of extraneous information.
But since a lot of these types aren’t the brightest, I suspect they simply get caught before anything happens
Rage, it’s that non-caring, non-feeling, type of comments that makes the health care opposition look so ridiculously futile!! They appear to not care about ANYbody or ANYthing beyond their own noses!!!
Except for abortion issues, the Pledge of Allegiance, or in Texas, Secession from the Union…
Funny how the ANTI Obama crowd is SO friggin upset over Obama bringing a similar message to school kids that was brought by Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II… But, if Obama, the “Black” President does it, they want to keep all of the little Johnnies and Susies home, for fear of indoctrination…
But, do tell, are not these children indoctrinated DAILY by using a Pledge of Allegiance that uses “under God” in a text that originally didnt use that phrase??
I guess that’s indoctrination the Right Wing can live with…. Encouragement for staying in school, working hard, studying, etc., is somehow an evil plot to brainwash their kids….
What a sad state of affairs we have in this once great Nation….
“Rage” –
You’re unfair to Representative Jenkins. You didn’t include her dismissive laughter of the mother of a 2-and-a-half-year-old who can’t see a doctor except in a hospital emergency room.
TO be fair to “The Great White Dope,” you should recognize she thinks it’s all a laugh riot her constituents can’t afford health care.
Laugh, laugh. Chuckle, chuckle.
(chortles)
Tax credits won’t help
— anyone who is currently un- or under-employed
— won’t help those with pre-existing conditions
— won’t help those who maxed out the lifetime benefit of their insurance policy before they even made it to recovery from one major illness
— won’t help those whose out-of-pocket expenses (high deductibles and copays) cause them to forgo treatment even tho they’re insured
— won’t help those who have no access to employer-provided insurance coverage
— won’t help those who used up their eligibility to COBRA.
Tax credits won’t help anyone who actually needs help.
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Chas
Posted September 5, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink
OK — I have a question… Just ONE question…
Does anybody have a prediction as to how long it will be, before one of the Right Wing Extremist Crazies attempts to assasinate Obama??
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It’s only a matter of time. The Cons are on the verge of going too far. One of their number will eventually try to kill Obama.
Cons won’t like the results.
My bad, MH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPrYviZtVrs
” before one of the Right Wing Extremist Crazies attempts to assasinate Obama??”
Chas have you been stuck on MSNBC for too long or what?
That has been the theme on that media source since January, 2009.
Horrible thought and you are not the originator of it (which secretly you hope for so you can be one of those “I told ya so” people).
I suppose anything is worthy of discussion. Not that you will resolve anything. But it makes great tabloid thinking.
Chas
Posted September 5, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink
OK — I have a question… Just ONE question…
Does anybody have a prediction as to how long it will be, before one of the Right Wing Extremist Crazies attempts to assasinate Obama??
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OK chass I have a quesiton. How long before one of the loony left gets tired enough of Obama not getting their agenda passed that they assascinate him and try to blame it on the right? We have already seen this kind of action in Colorado haven’t we?
How long? What do you think?
Actually, AmWay, I raise the question because of all the blatant and rampant racism I see being posted on Blogs all over this country… including this one…
I could care less what tabloid journalism thinks… Most tabloids would more than likely have the Pres. assasinated by some group of alien thugs from Zeta Reticuli…
“Cons have gone too far” “Cons won’t like the results.”
XXX – what is your definition of “too far” under the Constitution of the United States?
And why won’t we like the results? Do you anticipate something other than what happened after the historic assassinations throughout American history? Perhaps you are predicting a “government” take over. Something like when
someone set fire to the Reichstag and Hitler used that as an excuse to pass something like an Enabling Bill that would give democrats dictatorial powers? (Hitler gave orders that all leaders of the German Communist Party should “be hanged that very night.” Paul von Hindenburg vetoed this decision but did agree that Hitler should take “dictatorial powers”. KPD candidates in the election were arrested and Hermann Goering announced that the Nazi Party planned “to exterminate” German communists.
Thousands of members of the Social Democrat Party and Communist Party were arrested and sent to recently opened to concentration camp. They were called this because they “concentrated” the enemy into a restricted area. Hitler named these camps after those used by the British during the Boer War.
Left-wing election meetings were broken up by the Sturm Abteilung (SA) and several candidates were murdered. Newspapers that supported these political parties were closed down during the 1933 General Election.)
Sounds far fetched hmmm?
So if that’s far fetched – what did you mean XXX when you said “cons won’t like the results”?
Does democracy and law end that day?
(again a horrible subject that I wouldn’t encourage, but XXX’s response begs answers)
okie, what I COULD see, might be a crazie leftie taking out one of the Big Name RIGHT Wingers, thinking he/she would be removing the opposition… THAT I could see as a possibility… So, why dont you want to answer MY question, and instead try to start one of your dumb arguments… You said you had A question… and then, like Bawks, you ask TWO…. LOL unbelievable….
“The assasination theme I’ve only read coming from the Lib side.
Not sure the motivation, extreme fear at being beaten politically, or diversionary, or some combination, not sure, but it’s always coming from the left.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVwfdaYuy1k&feature=related
XXX
Posted September 5, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink
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Chas
Posted September 5, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink
OK — I have a question… Just ONE question…
Does anybody have a prediction as to how long it will be, before one of the Right Wing Extremist Crazies attempts to assasinate Obama??
___________________________
It’s only a matter of time. The Cons are on the verge of going too far. One of their number will eventually try to kill Obama.
Cons won’t like the results.
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The Libs are almost hoping it happens. Scary.
JimJones if your side didn’t look like such a bunch of fanatical fascists, you wouldn’t have this problem.
The American people have caught on to how crazy your side is. Now if you want to perpetuate that be my guest.
“I raise the question because of all the blatant and rampant racism I see being posted on Blogs”
Sorry Chas – I’m not seeing the race card being played nationwide.
And a racist attack on the president is a different and is not the same as “Right Wing Extremist Crazies”.
I am probably generally lumped with the later but I am certainly not related to the former.
Make up your mind. Which is it?
” if your side didn’t look like such a bunch of fanatical fascists”
Obviously Political Momma can’t see in a mirror.
Perception lies in the eyes of the beholder.
Perception in this case is not fact.
American_Way –
Have a pleasant day!
That is unless you want to make that sound like I’m trying to tell you what to do and having a pleasant day wasn’t in your plans.
We’re already seeing the results of the con inspired turning one American against another.
Look at that picture at the top of the thread, Would you ask his help for your Grandma’s care? Do you think he could be relied on to help you out with anything?
The Republican tactic of dividing Americans should be turned back against them.
AmWay, I dont see any Hitlerian references in XXX’s response… But YOU do…. I think that says a lot…
What I see in XXX’s response is that CONS wont like the results, because IF some looney tune Right Wing Crazie DID kill Obama, the results would most likely be a knock-out election for Democrats for long years to come… just sayin…
Save your screed for the Tabloids.. heheheee
“Have a pleasant day!”
Why are you leaving already?
lindainks55
Posted September 5, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink
Tax credits won’t help
— anyone who is currently un- or under-employed
— won’t help those with pre-existing conditions
— won’t help those who maxed out the lifetime benefit of their insurance policy before they even made it to recovery from one major illness
— won’t help those whose out-of-pocket expenses (high deductibles and copays) cause them to forgo treatment even tho they’re insured
— won’t help those who have no access to employer-provided insurance coverage
— won’t help those who used up their eligibility to COBRA.
Tax credits won’t help anyone who actually needs help.
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Tax credits would actually help the under employmed by giving them more in their take home pay.
Real healthcare reform will need to address the pre-existing condition. That is something constructive that can be done and will draw bi-partisan support.
Lifetime limits is another issue that needs to be addressed in meaningful reform. This can be accomplished without throwing out a plan that is working for the majority of the insured that never come close to maxing out.
As for high deductible and co-pays. I think everyone should have some kind of participation in their own healthcare. This would encourage a healthier lifestyle and better choices.
I have long advocated on here for pools made up of like employed workers. Say all plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc.. Also that these pools be allowed to cross state lines. The larger the pool the more affordable the premiums.
As for COBRA eligibility – this was a gov mandate and the gov can simply make new legislation that lengthens or removes the time limits.
All of your concerns can be addressed with little or no impact on those of us who are satisfied with their coverage and don’t want the gov to interfer in it.
Someone up thread asked the question about shopping for healthcare coverage lately. I actually did that this past week. Using one of the organizations that offer a large pool made up of small business I found coverage for 20ish workers with a starting premium of $124 per month for basic coverage ranging up to $200 a month for their best coverage available.
This seems very reasonable to me.
“the results would most likely be a knock-out election for Democrats for long years to come”
Thanks Chas for answering for XXX.
Political_mama
Posted September 5, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink
JimJones if your side didn’t look like such a bunch of fanatical fascists, you wouldn’t have this problem.
The American people have caught on to how crazy your side is. Now if you want to perpetuate that be my guest.
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My side, if you mean Conservatives, does NOT have this problem.
Only on the WEBlog and other Lib fringes do you hear such carp. One nut preacher in AZ does not represent Conservatives across America, any more then BJ represents Liberals.
“I have long advocated on here for pools made up of like employed workers. Say all plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc.. Also that these pools be allowed to cross state lines. The larger the pool the more affordable the premiums.” [okie]
Ummm…. Those already exist… Can you spell U-N-I-O-N???
Principal Financial has a health care plan, that crosses State lines… For “Bank Depositors” — not cheap, but they got one
OK chass I have a quesiton. How long before one of the loony left gets tired enough of Obama not getting their agenda passed that they assascinate him and try to blame it on the right? We have already seen this kind of action in Colorado haven’t we?
How long? What do you think?
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Chass I know you don’t want to answer my one question but it is indeed A question. How long is a reinteration of the previous stated question. What do you think is simply asking you to answer my ONE question.
You are such a comedian. When you can’t answer deflect – deflect – deflect.
Oh well I didn’t expect more from you.
“Tax credits would actually help the under employmed by giving them more in their take home pay.”
Actually wouldn’t that be a wash? Further, the poor need the cash up front. They aren’t in a position to wait until they get their income tax return. Unless you went so far as giving them the money upfront – as in the Advanced EITC payments.
“As for COBRA eligibility – this was a gov mandate and the gov can simply make new legislation that lengthens or removes the time limits.”
COBRA is not competitive with private providers. I know this because my youngest was one of fifty at her work that lost her job. That’s even with the increase in government participation (passed as part of the Recovery Act). We shopped around on the internet and found much cheaper healthcare insurance from private providers. I’ll have to find the source/link if you are really interested. (She now has been hired back in her professional career path)
I think you cons will see it more and more.
When you tell someone you are a Republican, that person’s head may nod back just a bit. Their eyes will quickly look you up and down and the nose may wrinkle just a bit as they reply, “oh”.
You’re set on dividing this country down to individuals, families, whatever. You may find yourselves the odd ones out.
“Funny how the ANTI Obama crowd is SO friggin upset over Obama bringing a similar message to school kids that was brought by Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II… But, if Obama, the “Black” President does it, they want to keep all of the little Johnnies and Susies home, for fear of indoctrination…”
Tell me Chas, how did the Democrats react to the Bush visit to the Alice Deal Jr High school?
Hud, is that the school Bush was at on 9/11??
‘So….how’s that whole ‘hopey-changey’ thing working out for ya?
The market is trying to make a come back, but as deep as the waters were it will take some time.
Got laid off last February, job market is a mix of needing to be walking through the door at the instant the decision is made to hire someone. Or if you are willing to work for sub-living wage that is less then unemployment and drive forty mile one way there is a job to be had.
Now since my schedule allotment of unemployment ran out the 14th, I did qualify for a 20 week extension.
Would rather have the phone ring and be called back at least if not a new good paying job.
The 20 week extension is a part of that ‘hopey-changey’ thing so not bad.
Since I have experienced and witnessed the need for health care reform.
I do want a realist change in health care. There is still hope for that if it can be stopped the demigod like crap and a bi-partisan effort is made.
I want the Republicans to be Republicans and not Conservatives, think and present real intelligent solutions and not keep undermining the country to make brownie points for partisan ends. And I want the Democratic to be realistic and prudent, it too important to seek pie in the sky answers to ever question. Fix the real problems and let the kind of sort of thing go for another day.
The lights are still on and the water is still coming out of the facets so that is doing good. A roof is still over my head and that nice to have still.
I am glad that McCain did not get elected since his solutions were to do nothing and just try to dodge the falling pieces of sky. I am a big “If trapped in a burning building, pee on the flames. It may not be reasonable to expect that it will do any good. But it is at least not standing there doing nothing and waiting to die.”.
McCain’s solution to a Crocodile chewing on your leg is rather then try to get away.
Is to lay there and hope it will be satisfied with just your leg.
Obama is failing with health care mainly because he let the cats herd themselves.
It resulted with the Blue dogs taking the rightful place the Republicans should have had. The Republicans throwing up the outlandish in the place of the reasonable.
And the Progressives demanding that every wino have their own puppy.
Over all there is still hope for change, he has at least forestalled the progression of the downfall. At most it give some time for the private sector to pull their heads out and come back to a reasonable operation. Greed maybe the driving factor of a market, but the way it had been operating it was along side the Crocodile chewing on its own leg.
Chass has the dramatic post;
“Ummm…. Those already exist… Can you spell U-N-I-O-N???”
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Chass why do you think that the unions have their lowest numbers ever? Could it be that for the dues you pay the benefits aren’t so great. When given an honest choice between union membership and not most frequently the answer is not.
Why are you going to force union membership on someone who just wants health insurance?
As ususl someone posts an entire list of things that can be done to reform healthcare without bankrupting the country and you answer is to force them into unions.
This is why the town hall meetings are working because of loony left answers like this.
HUD — Do you mean THIS evvent?? LOL
For Immediate Release
June 9, 1995
Remarks by
First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton at
The Alice Deal Junior High School
Promotional Exercises
Washington, DC
“Chass why do you think that the unions have their lowest numbers ever? Could it be that for the dues you pay the benefits aren’t so great.”
Why don’t you ask that of the many salaried people recently cut loose at Hawker Beechcraft? Ask them how no union worked out for them.
Say was that book and movie about Bush’s assasination made by Right Wingers?
” Can you spell U-N-I-O-N???”
Well gee Chas, if that’ the answer – why are democrats pushing for healthcare reform? Didn’t help GM too much did it?
“The 20 week extension is a part of that ‘hopey-changey’ thing so not bad.”
And those are the kind of emergency spending acts I can get behind. However, comma, pause for effect: That does not create “change”. That is not a “solution”. What in the Recovery Act is actually a solution? What specifically is creating long-term job growth? How much of it “goes away” with the creek runs dry and the Stimulus/Recover Act funds stop flowing?
“HUD — Do you mean THIS evvent?”
No, I said “Bush”.
Example:
“The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students,” House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. “And the president should be doing more about education than saying, ‘Lights, camera, action.’ ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtmgQ2W3lhM
Here is a video of a interesting town hall, its Baron Hill a Blue dog Democrat from Indiana.
I know if I was running against him this video would be in almost every campaign ad. Along with the phrase:
“Vote for me I will listen to you.”
It may not be a realistic thing to expect our elected official to listen to us. But at least allow us the illusion.
“Chas” –
I’m almost to the point — given all the horror stories CONs have, uhm, CONjured about President Obama’s talking to American school kids — I wish he’d go all ghetto on their ass and tell kids to kill whitey.
I mean. I’ve been asking for months when’s the last time CONs have been accurate in their predictions and warnings of what’s gonna happen. I’m sympathetic to ‘em. They need a win somewhere along the line, just to keep their morale up.
Iraq oil didn’t pay for that war.
Saddam Hussein didn’t have those WMDs the CONs promised us.
Deregulation didn’t turn out to have Wall Street police itself.
The “Mission” wasn’t “Accomplished” back in 2003.
Michelle Obama wore shorts on vacation and Western Civilization didn’t collapse.
Bo isn’t a good ol’ red-white-and-blue American water dog, he’s a PORTUGUESE!!!” water dog! And, yeah, President Obama is a Marxist-Fascist-Leftist-Muslim-Fascist-Nazi who’s gonna turn into a new Hitler as soon as he lets his mustache grow.
We’re not dealing with any reasonable, logical, or rational thinking when we involve WE Blog CONs in the conversation.
No, just to give CONs a sense of victory, I want President Obama’s speech to America’s school children to come up-front with the “libruhl” agenda.
You’re in Kindergarten and don’t like girls? Boink a boy and get started in the gay lifestyle!
You don’t like them teaching you all that Darwin stuff? Crush a kitten’s skull and see what “evolves” from that.
Hell, we don’t need another President giving another Congress a speech. We need a RAP! Don’t just raise the roof; raise the dome!
It’s high time we “libruhls” give CONs the respect they deserve. Let’s pin them to the ground a urinate in their mouths.
when the creek runs dry and the Stimulus/Recover Act funds stop flowing…
OR, do you mean this comment, going back to 1991, to Cong. Dick Gephardt???
“In fact, the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), said “The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students.”"
THAT Pres. Bush…. in 1991….
I will say this…. If DofE money is being used for Obama’s speech, then those funds should be procured from some other source… like maybe the White House Public Relations budget???
IIRC, Pres. Bush’s speech was later shown to be covered by funds from WH Pub. Relations Budget…. I could be wrong…
But… I didnt oppose Bush’s speech in 1991 either… I thought Gephardt was an idiot… still do… never did like him…
Amway through PR you can do a lot of things. One of those is to make everything earned tax free. You can actually give a tax rebate instantly. This would come out of the companies amount due.
COBRA premiums are actually what the company pays plus 2%. This is an administrative charge the company is allowed to charge for the paperwork involved.
You are seeing the expense the company is currently paying to keep their employees covered.
Not saying the solution is an easy one but I am saying that increasing the debt to our country to cover all of the uninsured is foolhardy and we need to be looking at alternative fixes.
XXX where did you go? Cat got your tongue. I never figured you for shy.
“Cons have gone too far” “Cons won’t like the results.”
XXX – what is your definition of “too far” under the Constitution of the United States?
what did you mean XXX when you said “cons won’t like the results”?
I’m waiting for those tea partiers to hit shine town. That’s gonna be good.
Representative John Yarmuth (D)-KY:
The question was “How are we going to pay for all this (Healh Care Reform)?”
The answer is…“I don’t know.
http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?forum=1&threadid=372222&MESSAGES=4&FF=CMT
“It’s high time we “libruhls” give CONs the respect they deserve. Let’s pin them to the ground a urinate in their mouths.” [Monkey]
The situation is most frustrating, but thats a little bit too much of a stretch…. Even though I read on one blog where some Wingnuts were organizing a trip to Arlington Cemetery to do just that thing on Kennedy’s grave… Still… too radical for me….
American_Way
Posted September 5, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink
Representative John Yarmuth (D)-KY:
The question was “How are we going to pay for all this (Healh Care Reform)?”
The answer is…“I don’t know.
http://forums.bowsite.com/TF/bgforums/thread.cfm?forum=1&threadid=372222&MESSAGES=4&FF=CMT
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Now I LIKE that answer from the gentleman from Kentucky…. It is straightforward, honest, and without any spin at all…
We NEED health care reform…. But NOBODY knows for sure… neither the Left, NOR the Right… how it will be paid for…
Since the plan calls for “Affordable Health Care for all Americans” (not FREE, as the CONS lie about), I have to assume that Some, or even Most, of the cost would come from Premiums paid for that “affordable health care” plan…
“I am saying that increasing the debt to our country to cover all of the uninsured is foolhardy and we need to be looking at alternative fixes.”
I’m reminded of democrats clamour for “PAY GO”.
Democrats are really just all talk when it comes to debt management.
One of the problems with the stimulus is that only about 10 percent has even been disbursed.
Right now it’s like the kids constantly setting in the back seat asking “Are we there yet?”.
Like walking into the everything is a dollar store with a dine and wondering why you are not buying anything.
I would hope that before the remainder can be disbursed the economy could right itself.
That business and the market can act like adults and not freshman with their first credit card.
Rather then running the course of my unemployment, I had gotten back to work… Or God forbid won the lottery! I would be so upset to have millions of dollars, Oh what to do…What to do?
” I have to assume that Some, or even Most, of the cost would come from”
assume = a $$ out of “u” and “me”.
We should not have to “assume” anything. The democrats should ALREADY have the plan. Afterall, they tried to rush it through and jam it down our throats BEFORE adjourning on break.
Thank Gawd the party of one didn’t get it done.
Also Chas, I don’t think “some” or “most” is acceptable. The way our government is spending money now – that could be a different of billions or trillions.
Okie, your question about a wacked out Left Wing Crazy taking out Obama… Sure, it could happen… But if he is SO OPPOSED to Obama as to kill him… How would you figure he was a Left Wing nut??
IF Obama is as far Left as you CONS keep saying, then a Left Wing nut should be fully embracing Obama…
THAT’S why I said what I did about a Left Wing nut taking out a Big Name CON… in hopes for some miraculous passage of health care…
I for one am pretty damned sure that H.R. 3200 wont pass in the form it now has… But some form of it WILL pass… with an ample majority in both Houses….
You would have to be listening 24/7 in order to even hear them, but there are some Conservatives who are thinking and making sense. But as much as they have to fight to get the attention of the media they have to fight with the ridicules Conservatives for a mike. They rather then simply calling Obama a Socialist and question his birthright. They are addressing reasonable solutions for health care and the economy.
Sad really, the ridicules are leading the GOP to the status of a third party. Putting it on the same status of the Green party or the Libertarians.
AmWay… please READ these words of wisdom from the WriterDog >>>>
“One of the problems with the stimulus is that only about 10 percent has even been disbursed.
Right now it’s like the kids constantly setting in the back seat asking “Are we there yet?”.
Like walking into the everything is a dollar store with a dine and wondering why you are not buying anything.” [WriterDog]
These words are what it’s all about…
Just offering up more of your usual “it costs too much” garbage… THINK about the far reaching scope of making damned sure every American in this country has access to affordable health care… be it private insurance carriers, with reforms in their current policies, or some form of a public “OPTION” (note.. option does not now, nor has it ever meant REQUIREMENT) — It is going to take some $$$$…. Better spent on Americans, than in foolish wars in far off places…
“One of the problems with the stimulus is that only about 10 percent has even been disbursed.”
Then how can Biden say it’s a success?
“I would hope that before the remainder can be disbursed the economy could right itself.”
Scary thought. That means the money will be spent for nothing. 900 billion dollars. (argh!)
Chas do not confuse WriterDog’s post on the Economic Recovery Act of 2009 (stimulus) and the proposed legislation on the Healthcare Reform Act.
“Sad really, the ridicules are leading the GOP to the status of a third party. Putting it on the same status of the Green party or the Libertarians.”
Chas can you support that post?
Plan crash Tulsa.
plane
American_Way
Posted September 5, 2009 at 11:36 am | Permalink
“Sad really, the ridicules are leading the GOP to the status of a third party. Putting it on the same status of the Green party or the Libertarians.”
Chas can you support that post?
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Yea, in some ways, Dog is right on target… I wish more CONS would start to see the implosion going on in their own groups… Michelle Bachman’s “slit our wrists and be blood brothers” kind of crap isnt helping much…
writerdog
Posted September 5, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink
You would have to be listening 24/7 in order to even hear them, but there are some Conservatives who are thinking and making sense. But as much as they have to fight to get the attention of the media they have to fight with the ridicules Conservatives for a mike. They rather then simply calling Obama a Socialist and question his birthright. They are addressing reasonable solutions for health care and the economy.
Sad really, the ridicules are leading the GOP to the status of a third party. Putting it on the same status of the Green party or the Libertarians.
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Writer what news channel do you watch? Seriously. I am disapponted in the republicans right now and tell them so frequently but there are some very good republicans that are out there working everyday to make things better. They just don’t get mike time from the MSM who are still having a slobbling love affair with Obama and ‘get a tingle up their leg’ when he speaks.
You seem to be living in a one demensional world and I am worried about you.
You know Chass until the left on this blog started throwing her name around I had very little idea of who Michelle Bachman was.
As for the ‘blood brother’ remark – what really is so wrong with this. Kids become blood brothers all of the time or they did when I was young. It simply implies that you are forming a pact to stand together on something.
She must scare the left as much as Palin does with all of the attention you and other left wing nuts give her.
Okay, “Chas” –
You’re much more moderate than I.
““Sad really, the ridicules are leading the GOP to the status of a third party. Putting it on the same status of the Green party or the Libertarians.”
The Greens and the Libertarians have principles.
The Republican party stands for nothing but money.
“Yea, in some ways”
So the answer is you can’t support your post Chas. The only thing you could possibly have is the results of the last election. The only other measure that I can think of on the strength; decline or growth of the republican party would be polls. And it’s not just the republican party you need to look at. It’s not one party that wins elections. It’s the independents, true conservatives, liberatians, and others who are left to pick between the lesser of two evils.
The Vampire tree of liberty demands a blood sacrifice! Will the cons sign a wrist slitting suicide pact? Stay tuned.
“Sad really, the ridicules are leading the GOP to the status of a third party. Putting it on the same status of the Green party or the Libertarians.”
Sorry, I guess WriterDog posted that. Can you support that post?
How do you know the GOP has been reduced so far?
BTW, I have posted before that the Republicans lack leadership, are stuck in “no new taxes”, are earmark happy, increased debt, and are generally just as screwed up as other parties which say one thing – but do something else. I don’t think Republicans represent ME very well. They have lost their true conservative values (which they may never recover from) and they are stuck on the religious right bandwagon.
So I’m not defending the GOP here. I’m just wondering if I missed some report on their size or strength.
Sorry Chas – I don’t know how the heck I got that the post came from you. But thanks for defending it anyway!
Sorry Chas – I don’t know how the heck I got that the post came from you. But thanks for defending it anyway!
Sorry Chas – I don’t know how the heck I got that the post came from you. But thanks for defending it anyway!
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Repubs are like an imept Dr. that’s put his patient into a deep coma and on life support, he gets replaced and then criticizes the new Dr. for not having healed the patient!
“Hey, he’s your patient now, you have to take responsibility!”
Repubs are becoming synomonous with tea baggers, birthers, deathers, secessionist, etc. They’ve become a joke.
Phant,
The last real conservative thinker in national politics was Barry Goldwater. Nothing that passes for thoughtfulness has shown up since, and probably won’t. To conservatives anymore, thinking is a subversive activity.
No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick.
There are ample members of Congress who realize the truth in the above statement, and there is plenty of time to pass meaningful health-care reform that will benefit all Americans — before the elections of 2010 that seem to have everyone making various and sundry predictions!
If those who are predicting massive Democratic Party losses are correct, we’ve still benefited from health-care reform. It was the big campaign promise and what the people who elected them expect! If this then disappoints an adequate number of voters, they don’t win reelection, the Republican Party regains the majorities and it starts over again — they govern in a way that gets them re-elected or un-elected.
Used to be Congress could actually get things done via compromises and involving both sides of the aisle; from what everyone says it seems those days are gone. I hope they return, along with civilty, respect and kindness.
“To conservatives anymore, thinking is a subversive activity.”
At least the ones who make the noise and the news. But the religious nutjobs were brought in and allowed to think they had the right to legislate morality, so the Republican Party got what they deserve.
Don’t you wonder where in the Bible it says something about support for a system whereby health insurance companies make obscene profits for NOT providing health care to the sick and injured?
Barry Goldwater warned about those who wish to legislate morality. No one listened, they were only wanting the numbers and made promises they never intended to keep, in order to get votes.
Abortion is not going to be made illegal again.
Well this thread was a total lack of substance.
says you – says me
—all the way through
One thing not making the news are the rallies and meeting separate from “townhall meetings” which democrat front organizations and unions have organized across America.
They have not received a lot of attention because they are quiet reserved affairs where the leaders talk and the participants simply listen. Audience speakers are decided ahead of time, invited and coached on asking just the correct question or state just the right bleeding heart story.
All these carefully orchestrated events for political propaganda and media effect.
Nothing spontaneous. Nothing amiss, no citizens trusted to speak on their own accord.
Very dry mundane affairs. Sheep are really not interesting to watch.
But dims will use them to counter what free Americans are saying.
Phantom, do you have anything to contribute, or are you just trolling today?
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American_Way
Posted September 5, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink
XXX where did you go? Cat got your tongue. I never figured you for shy.
“Cons have gone too far” “Cons won’t like the results.”
XXX – what is your definition of “too far” under the Constitution of the United States?
what did you mean XXX when you said “cons won’t like the results”?
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“XXX where did you go? Cat got your tongue. I never figured you for shy.”
AmWay, unlike you, I don’t spend all day every day on this stupid blog. If you’d get your fat azz out from in front of the computer once in a while, you might get rid of some of that excess weight.
It worked for me.
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“Cons have gone too far”
I got a chance to listen to some old folks in one of the local hospitals a couple of evenings ago. You lying-azz cons have them scared to death! Is that the only way you people can further your agenda? By scaring the cra -p out of old folks with lies?
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“Cons won’t like the results.”
If Obama gets shot at and it gets traced back to a con, your lying party is probably done for.
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AmWay, I’ve been outside taking advantage of a beautiful Saturday. I stop long enough to check the blog and I see you’re dogging me. Don’t bother with that. Just go back to your usual no-thinking-required cut and pastes.
Better yet, back away from the computer, get your fat azz outside with the family, and try being a husband and father and not just a computer zombie.
Get a life.
Now I’m going to check the open thread, and then I’m going outside and do some work on the motor home. I hope that’s ok with you.
lindainks55
Posted September 5, 2009 at 12:24 pm | Permalink
No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick.
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The new libspeak slogan for the day and of course is just bs being spread to inflame the sheep.
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Linda there are many on both sides of the aisle who want to work together. The worst speaker ever shut the opposition out of the meeting. As well informed as you are of course you already knew that.
Tax credits, refunds and incentives amount to me putting a gun to your head and taking all the money in your pocket today. Then coming back a year later and handing you only part of that money and then bragging that I am so great since I give you money that was yours in the first place.
You will have no more money that you had in the first place and it does no good for you today for me giving you your money in a year. You will not be able to walk into a insurance agent today and say I can pay you in May.
And yes they think we are just that stupid!
Don’t worry about me OKO, I get information from more the Fox news, I watch CSPAN, Fox, MSNBC, CNN.
In fact that comment was inspired by watching CSPAN this morning where a group of Conservatives were discussing the economy and health care. More enlighten than listening to the like of the economy experts
on the Cable news channels. Fox’s experts only paint that which is in support of failed financial practices.
MSNBC paints only the wishful thinking and dreams as one would want it to be.
Take interest rates, Fox and MSNBC would have you think that it is lower interest rate that are the answer.
Reality is that interest rates are a check on the value of the dollar. Higher interest restricts and focuses the flow of money and gives it more value since the number of dollars are limited.
“Again:
The questioner is fluent in Spanish.
The congressmen (to whom the questioner is asking the question) is fluent in Spanish.
The guy didn’t ask a question to the crowd; he asked the congressman. ” the Monkey
Again….the Townhall meeting was not called just for that person asking his question in Spanish, but for all that were in attendance. When both the person asking the question and the one answering could speak English in a Townhall filled with English speaking attendees to speak in Spanish is an ‘in your face’ attitude and he should have been ignored, passed over, if he would not ask in the language everyone there could understand.
That is so obvious as to make you look every bit the fool you are Monkey.
OKO Bachman is the woman who yelled to Michael Steele “Your the man!”. If it helps she is about on the same level as Palin. Again that is the problem, it is because of the likes of Bachman that the sensible republicans can not get the time of day.
And of course it is the likes of Bachman, Palin, Limbaugh, Beck the list goes on that the left will point to as the leaders and examples of Conservatism. It is not in their best interest to highlight sensible Reps. Before long even the average Republicans will hear them say something and say WTF!
Then it can longer be dismissed as a gig at the Libs, or a misstatement. It will make them take a hard look at the party and if they see it as prevalent and there is no use trying to change the party. Or they will see it as a party lacking the very thing that is said to be “Of values and principles”. They will see those saying such things as being false prophet and hollow words being spoken.
Now is not a battle against the Liberals, it is a battle for the very soul of the Republican party.
Let those who believe in such deceptions leave and form their own party of soul-less believers.
The RINOs I call them.
“Tax credits, refunds and incentives amount to me putting a gun to your head and taking all the money in your pocket today. Then coming back a year later and handing you only part of that money and then bragging that I am so great since I give you money that was yours in the first place. ”
Look on the bright side Writerdog. At least when you are poor – the government lies to you about giving you your money back.
When you aren’t poor – they take it without so much as a thank-you and then tell you that you aren’t giving them enough!
So we can demand people don’t speak Stupid in town hall meetings?
The Bishop chose his own words just as anyone else did. I think the often touted freedom of speech could be invoked here.
I see the insurance company profit protectors here defending the shouter-downers.. that’s what I see here..
I’ll read back and see if any anti health care folks here have criticized the shouters…
XXX sound advise. Except, since none of you libs have ever seen me – you have no idea what my a ss
looks like.
My wife still tells me it’s one of my nicest features, along with my Tom Selleck good looks
(as long as I keep using Just For Men).
“I see the insurance company profit protectors ”
Not sure you libs realize it, but you might be surprised when Obama tells America that the insurance industry supports a government plan. I heard scuttlebutt that’s one of the things Obama is going to announce.
“The assasination theme I’ve only read coming from the Lib side.”–JimJohnson
Jim, that is exactly what I would bet many DimLibs hope will happen as that would further their cause of conservative condemnation and bashing.
In addition that would remove someone even they know is utterly unqualified and incapable of being an effective and uniting President.
Even the hopelessly confused DimLibs are now understanding that Obama has turned the Office of the President of the United States into a Zoo….
The only difference being is the Zoo features an African Lion……….
The White House now features a Lyin’ African…….
“I see the insurance company profit protectors ”
For clarification, DavidB is talking about democrats:
Democrats also enjoy close ties with influential players in the health care lobbying world, according to the Sunlight Foundation, particularly those lawmakers sitting on committees with a key role in the legislation. One senator receiving attention lately for his health care lobbyist friends is Democrat Max Baucus of Montana, who chairs the Senate Finance Committee.
<iFive of Baucus’ former staff members now work for a total of 27 different organizations that either represent the health care or insurance industries, or have a vested interest in the debate, according to a Sunlight Foundation analysis of lobbying disclosure filings.
“We thought it was important to show the public that the senators aren’t crafting the policy by themselves,” said Sunlight Foundation senior writer Paul Blumenthal. “They have all these other connections, through relationships, that have a huge stake in this legislation.” National Journal
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At the table on May 26 were about 20 donors willing to fork over $10,000 or more to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, including executives of major insurance companies, hospitals and other health-care firms.
“Most people there had an agenda; they wanted the ear of a senator, and they got it,” said Aaron Roland, a San Francisco health-care activist who paid half price to attend the gathering. “Money gets you in the door. The only thing the other side can do is march around and protest outside.”
As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus’s political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year’s reform debate.
Baucus’s fundraising prowess underscores the enduring political strength of the health-care lobby, which led all other sectors in donations to federal candidates during the last election cycle and has shifted its giving to Democrats as the party has tightened its control of Congress.
The sector gave nearly $170 million to federal lawmakers in 2007 and 2008, with 54 percent going to Democrats, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics. The shift in parties was even more pronounced during the first three months of this year, when Democrats collected 60 percent of the $5.4 million donated by health-care companies and their employees, the data show.
But Baucus, a senator from a sparsely populated and conservative Western state who is serving his sixth term, stands out for the rising tide of health-care contributions to his campaign committee, Friends of Max Baucus, and his political-action committee, Glacier PAC. Baucus collected $3 million from the health and insurance sectors from 2003 to 2008, about 20 percent of the total, data show. Less than 10 percent of the money came from Montana.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/20/AR2009072003363.html
“The RINOs I call them.”
Now dog, I remember recently when you called me that same name! Does it cover more than described above? :-)
Nope, not one single supposed conservative criticized the shouter downers…
““The assasination theme I’ve only read coming from the Lib side.”–”
Sorta like JFK assassination. Kennedy pledging to send a man to the moon and bringing him back safely became a rallying cry to spend billions going to that worthless dead place before the decade was out.
Healthcare for all!!!!
Actually, at a recent local anti-reform event, I heard an anti-reformer entertaining a small crowd with his wit and wisdom and tales of his armory.
He said that the assassination of the President of the United States of America “would be the best possible outcome.” He was also a Death Panel myth monger.
“anti-reformer”
Eeewww! Another new name-calling label from the democrats party of inclusion.
You are getting to be just so cute!
(Pssst! I once overheard a guy say that if I didn’t repent – I was going to he11. He was a known democrat. So it MUST be true.)
Cons: It must be true that all liberals are bible thumpers. Yep. Because I heard one tell me to repent!
DavidB
Posted September 5, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
Actually, at a recent local anti-reform event, I heard an anti-reformer entertaining a small crowd with his wit and wisdom and tales of his armory. He said that the assassination of the President of the United States of America “would be the best possible outcome.” He was also a Death Panel myth monger.
You’re beginning to sound like Jed with your whopper stories. All completely unverifaible of course.
When you don’t have the numbers, you SHOUT. When you do you don’t have to shout.
I can send you his photo, if you like
“You’re beginning to sound like Jed with your whopper stories. All completely unverifaible of course.”
Regular did you know that trees have legal rights and should be allowed to go to court to protect those rights?
I know all libs believe this because John P. Holdren said it is true. So all democrats suport trees rights.
“Boxlock20″ digs deeper –
“…the Townhall meeting was not called just for that person asking his question in Spanish, but for all that were in attendance.”
Uhm, no.
The only-est reason for the town hall meeting was for constituents to address their congresscritter.
If you want to stand up in front of your neighbors and rant, call your own damned town hall meeting.
If the constituent were deaf and he and the congresscritter were both fluent in American Sign Language would you be part of the jackals who heckled? (Well, yeah. You probably would have, not understanding the nuances of the whole “deaf” thing.)
Part of the entertainment you provide to this forum, “Boxlock20,” is how you continually talk yourself into logical or factual silliness and desperately try to rationalize your utter stupidity.
David, when your credibility is still in tact only those who would like others to be as guilty as they are question whether or not you’re telling the truth!
But, if he’s someone you know I’d like looking at, go ahead and send me the photo anyway. :-)
“Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus’s political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year’s reform debate.” [AmWay's cut/paste]
So, you’re saying here that Baucus was making preparations in 2007 AND 2008, for this health care reform package?? And we didnt even know who would be President until November, 2008??? Yea, sure…. like I believe that BEE ESSS???
How can Baucus make preparations for a reform debate, that he wasnt even sure would be held??? And IF he did, then so much for the CON argument that Dems have no background for this Bill….
I cannot WAIT for the debate in the Senate on the bill.. the rubber will hit the road there.
“the debate in the Senate on the bill…”
Be as, or more, telling than the town-hall meetings, won’t it?
Not one c’on’ critic of the shouters….
DavidB, What did you expect to find?? :-))
Hope springs eternal…
tRUE… TRUE
Your critical comments directed toward me are music to my ears Monkey….you see I have no respect for you or your opinions so they are actually reinforcing. Got it!
The guy was rude, he was fluent in English and so was the person taking the question, not in anyway similar to a deaf having to use sign language. To speak so as the others in attendance could not understand, in a language not understood by the rest in attendance when that was not necessary, was rude and arrogant. He deserved just what he got.
I’m not surprised you fail to grasp that concept, because so are you!
Yes, people are not free to speak words of their own choosing, according to Box, or they are rude.
Say the words the crowd wants to hear, or they will shout you down. ;->
Very nice.
Oh and Monkey, it is quite entertaining to observe your transference of what you in fact are doing to others. That being your ‘continually talking yourself into logical or factual silliness and desperately trying to rationalize your utter stupidity’.
Very amusing, and obvious you know you’ve lost….again!
DavidB
Posted September 5, 2009 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
I can send you his photo, if you like
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What good would that do in verifying if a conservation took place or not?
Un ciudadano americano está libre de hablar cualquier lengua él o ella elige.
“…people are not free to speak words of their own choosing, according to Box, or they are rude.”—DavidB
Choosing to speak one’s own words is certainly not mutually exclusive of being rude….as that jerk was.
And to “say the words the crowd wants to hear”, had nothing to do with it. The language used was unnecessary and excluded everyone else in attendance. Ha, is that a characteristic you DimLibs advocate? Of course, you’re DimLibs!
Usted está siempre correcto, Boxie
No en todas las situaciones, a veces puestos de trabajo requieren Inglés solamente.
“The rest in attendance weren’t fluent in Spanish”
No, “Boxlock20.” The oafs who shouted the Bishop down weren’t fluent in Spanish. And you can tell which side of the room that was.
It’s apparent you’ve never studied a foreign language. There’s get-by, there’s working fluency, and there’s an ability to say the deepest most subtle thoughts in your mother tongue.
The Bishop spoke from his soul, in his native language. The congressman — who grew up in in Peru and understands the nuances of the language — got the message and explained to the crowd what the Bishop had told him.
Most likely, something might have been lost in the translation.
But the oafish reaction of the CONs in the crowd was ugly.
“Un ciudadano americano está libre de hablar cualquier lengua él o ella elige.”–DavidB
Y un ciudadano norteamericano es libre de ser malas palabras sacudirse con otros, pero que no hacer lo correcto o cortés. Era descortés y perjudicial para los que vinieron a preguntar y escuchar.
Pero cuando oí al hombre en la reunión de ayuntamiento de Tiahrt diga, ” Obama quiere quitar nuestra libertad y destruir la constitución, ” No tenía ninguna idea de lo que él decía. ¿Debo haber interrumpidolo?
lindainks55
Posted September 5, 2009 at 3:43 pm | \l “comment-654892″
“The RINOs I call them.”
Now dog, I remember recently when you called me that same name! Does it cover more than described above? :-)
No Linda you are not a full fledge Conservative,,, you ever get the recipe for small children?
Watch Glen Beck it should be coming from his website.
“Most likely, something might have been lost in the translation.”
“Most likely”….right, you have no idea and are defending a rude, arrogant, selfish act with a most likely.
Something was lost, not in the translation but in the question itself, to everyone that couldn’t understand. You are assuming way more that was given.
RUDE! WHAHAHAAAA!!!!
I am not fluent in Redneck.. so I will probably be shouted at at the next meeting…
“Pero cuando oí al hombre en la reunión de ayuntamiento de Tiahrt diga, ” Obama quiere quitar nuestra libertad y destruir la constitución, ” No tenía ninguna idea de lo que él decía. ¿Debo haber interrumpidolo?”—DavidB
That guys concern was right on correct, that is exactly what many think little Barry Hussein wants to do.
Now cut the Spanish, its rude to those that don’t know what is being said.
rude, arrogant, selfish.. keep going.. keep going. Pile it on!!!
Do I hear “socialist?”
Tal vez debería haber comprobado en su manual progresiva bajo la comadreja espaldas venir.
Monkeyhawk posted September 5, 2009 at 5:23 pm
It’s apparent you’ve never studied a foreign language. There’s get-by, there’s working fluency, and there’s an ability to say the deepest most subtle thoughts in your mother tongue.
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Very true.
I have friends who have a good working fluency in English, who sometimes have to switch to their native language to express something — and then their friends help them translate it to English.
Box, do you mean to be saying that when a foreign digitary comes here to visit the POTUS at the White House, that he/she should either speak English, or stay home???
Just asking….
The Bishop may have even had a large contingent of his Spanish speaking congregation with him…
boxlock20 is an expert on etiquette, climate science, and battery powered vehicles. /sarcasm off
And he even asked for permission to speak in his native language…
Chas
Posted September 5, 2009 at 6:07 pm | Permalink
Box, do you mean to be saying that when a foreign digitary comes here to visit the POTUS at the White House, that he/she should either speak English, or stay home???
Just asking….
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Chass you started out acting dumb this morning and haven’t changed all day.
If a foreign dignitary came to the US all accomodations would be made to welcome him. Including having translators.
In a town hall being held for American citizens then speaking english would seem natural to me. By speaking in a foreign language in a room of people who don’t speak that language you are being disrespectful or arrogant.
Last I heard this person wasn’t a dignitary. Who were they trying to impress the illegals?
“there’s an ability to say the deepest most subtle thoughts in your mother tongue.”—the Monkey, & re-posted by comatose
Ha, sounds like a cheap sex novel.
I’m sure in a room, with who knows maybe hundreds, all wanting to know what the hell is going on with the government trying to remake the country, that the guy was wanting to express his “deepest most subtle thoughts in his mother tongue”. Don’t make me laugh so hard, I just finished dinner.
He should have spoken in English, after all he could, and filled in if necessary in Spanish with a courteous explanation to the rest listening.
To simply speak Spanish, when few could understand, was arrogant and rude to them.
Remember, that was a public gathering….NOT a personal interview.
These town hall meetings,
these town hall meetings,
they were not required
per the House Rep and Senate Rep
job descriptions.
Why do Reps have to listen
to the people anyway?
It’s so absurd!
The little ones
the people
they don’t know
what’s best for them!
I do! I’m a Rep!
I know what’s best for them!
I’m an elistist!
What do the people know!
Those d a m n people!
How dare they think
that they could think
what’s best for them!
D A M N the people!
They are all paid
by insurance companies anyway!
Stamford Bishop heckled at town hall meeting
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2009/09/stamford-bishop-heckled-at-town-hall.html
“During the meeting, Stamford Bishop Emilio Alvarez asked a question in Spanish. The bishop knows that Himes is fluent in Spanish, having been born in Peru and spending some of his childhood in various South American countries.
. . .
Fairfield County, which comprises a large part of the 4th congressional district, has roughly 11% Spanish-speaking residents, and according to the 2000 census only 76% of the population considers English their first language. “
Oh my God Spanish!
Is that the language of America today?
Well too bad if there were boos.
I’ve traveled all over Europe and didn’t expect anyone to accomodate me by speaking English.
When in Rome, speak their language.
“The larger the pool the more affordable the premiums.” [okie]
Seems to me that the entire country would be the biggest pool.
As for that pastor in the video, I guess Jesus came to teach hate. If “Love they neighbor as thyself” is the greatest commandment, Pastor Anderson is dealing with some deep, deep self-hatred.
You’ve seen the commercials with the AHA MOMENT!, Republicans (former) will be reminicising about their Repub. claim WTF MOMENT!
When in Rome, speak their language.
Remember that if we end up with a majority of Spanish speakers in the US (and, no, they won’t all be “w#tbacks.”
America has no official language. English is the default language, and ya know something, Jimbo?: as snooty as the French can be about their language, far more Europeans know English than Americans know a European language (that includes the Italians, you know, those who live in Roma?).
English is generally acknowleged as the international tongue of commerce (not because it somehow ordained by God or something; that’s just the way it is).
But, like or it not, Spanish is used by quite a few Americans—particularly in this here state that was taken by force from Mexico.
Pause.
You know, I knew a guy–a white, Anglo-Saxon American–who lived in South America for a while. He described his language learning as such:
“After about 4 months, I could speak well enough to get by. After about a year, I noticed I was thinking in Spanish.”
Make your obligatory point about mandatory cultural immersion. Despite the “press 2 for Spanish,” it happens anyway, as a matter of survival. Some are better than others at picking up our crazy language.
But the Bishop, who had no problem speaking English, nonetheless probably felt better thinking in Spanish.
Think about that.
Wow, full-on PC moderation. You can’t even use a word to make a point (guess which word?).
That’s breathtakingly moronic.
LOL!! They would have shouted at him no matter what language he used.
“The larger the pool the more affordable the premiums.” [okie]
Seems to me that the entire country would be the biggest pool.
Not one con criticized the shouting down. Not one.
Not one.
If the man was unable to use English, remember he was fluent in English if it was not even his primary language, his use of Spanish would have been fine. He could have asked his question, in that public forum, in English but chose to do so in a language that EXCLUDED everyone else.
That’s rude and arrogant.
And just what the sam he11 did the protests have to do with Ron Paul?