Leaders of the Dodge City, Garden City and Liberal districts are expected to meet today with the Schools for Fair Funding attorneys to discuss recent K-12 spending cuts and what to do about them. “The Legislature cut funding to education by 22 percent, and more cuts are expected in the coming session,” Wichita attorney Alan Rupe, who won more money for schools in 2005 in the Montoy case, told the Dodge City Daily Globe. “Nobody wants to go back to court, but those kinds of cuts leave districts with no choice.” One option, of course, is further litigation. “They can either fight the Legislature now to increase funding, or shift the burden to individual school boards,” Rupe said. “And if that happens, those districts that simply can’t afford to shoulder the huge burden will have no choice but to raise taxes.”
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“Students who are disadvantaged by poverty, limited English ability, or migrant worker status are just going to cost more to educate.
Here’s a thought – how about those kids stay in Mexico and get their education there?
– subsidized medical care (emergency rooms)- check
– subsidized food assistance and housing – check
– subsidized education – check
– in state tuition fees at universities for foreign students, but not those dam Okies or Huskers – check
– S-CHIP trojan horse to illegal aliens courtesy of O’BAMA (Feb 2009) – check
Yeah, well – welcome to Northern Mexico.
Sí, bien – recepción a México norteño.
Here we go again. Lets take taxpayer money and sue the taxpayers of this state and get more taxpayer money. Oh yeah, and another huge payday for Alan Rupe and his firm. Sounds like ACORN on the prairie to me.
Please provide the proof about the 22% cut – that is bogus. All state governmetn has been cut and K12 fared the best.
These schools that are trying to educate illegal aliens and other non-English speaking people are going to have to get in line like everyone else in this economy taking their hits.
These school districts are spending way more to accomplish less than private schools just about everywhere. I know for a fact that a parochial school I am somewhat familiar with spends between $6.5K and $7K per child according to their principle and education committee. That is just over half what the public schools require with their $12+K/child and they are doing a far better job based on objective standardized tests.
What’s wrong here!
Everybody including the schools has their hand out. Time to figure out that the pie is only so big and education isn’t the only organization entitled to a piece of it.
I’d like to see some kind of response from schools that doesn’t only include the option of throwing more money at the problem.
If Rupe would do the math he’d find out that schools actually got more money than last year.
This is according to the Kansas Association of School Boards.
So what are the whining about? There are a lot of laid off workers and now they want to tax them more?
“So what are the whining about? There are a lot of laid off workers and now they want to tax them more?”
The schools boards don’t care about anything but themselves, and Rupe doesn’t care about anything but lining his own pockets with taxpayer money.
Someone needs to fight for the kids since so many are against them.
Constitution of the State of Kansas
Article 6.–EDUCATION
6: Finance.
(b) The legislature shall make suitable provision for finance of the educational interests of the state.
The Kansas Supreme Court ruled in the Montoy case that the money provided to schools by the Legislature was not “suitable” according to two independent studies.
Expect the Montoy case to reopened very soon and disposition expedited.
It may be time for the Legislature to consider revenue enhancements, considering they have given away billions of dollars in “tax breaks” in the past 12-15 years.
“It may be time for the Legislature to consider revenue enhancements, considering they have given away billions of dollars in “tax breaks” in the past 12-15 years.”–Blaidd_Drwg69
Again:
‘I know for a fact that a parochial school I am somewhat familiar with spends between $6.5K and $7K per child according to their principle and education committee. That is just over half what the public schools require with their $12+K/child and they are doing a far better job based on objective standardized tests.
What’s wrong here!’
What don’t you understand about public schools spending nearly twice as much as most private schools with poorer results? It’s not the money….dummy, it’s the curriculum.
Blaidd, you seem to be missing the fact that plenty of money is being spent ($12+K/kid)…..that doesn’t guarantee success. The Constitutional mandate isn’t for an open ended budget, it’s to adequately educate the kids. It’s has been and is being proven that simply throwing money at it doesn’t work at all, simply look at the K.C., MO schools.
Executive Summary
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html
“For decades critics of the public schools have been saying, “You can’t solve educational problems by throwing money at them.” The education establishment and its supporters have replied, “No one’s ever tried.” In Kansas City they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost-is-no-object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.
Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil–more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers’ salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.
The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.
The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can’t be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.”
Sound like Wichita, and Kansas in general (we’re spending even more)?
I think we have too many products of public education in public education….maybe that’s the problem.
Education by trial lawyer – Yeah, that sets a good standard.
B20
I think it is you who is missing the point. It is irrelevant how much is spent in parochial or private schools. By their nature, they can be selective of the students they admit. Public schools cannot.
Besides, the Kansas Constitution makes no mention of caring how much parochial or private schools spend on students. It states that “The legislature shall make suitable provision for finance of the educational interests of the state”. This pertains to PUBLIC schools.
Complain all you want, cite all of the conservative/libertarian think tank talking pieces you want; the fact of the mattter is that Montoy is going to be re-opened and the Legislature will be tasked with funding the public schools “suitably”. The the KS Supreme Court ordered in once based on two independent studies, it will do it again.
Dodge City, Garden City and Liberal districts all have high numbers of ___________, which are a drag on their budgets.
Replace “___________” with “southerners”.
Blaidd,
They ARE funded properly, they just aren’t administered and taught properly. And again the Constitution does NOT say that throwing, wasting, taxpayer’s money at it, is the only remedy, because it isn’t, and hasn’t made much difference as studies have shown.
Blaidd_Drwg69,
Let me ask you….are you a public school teacher or employee that is failing the kids so miserably in spite of far more funding than is necessary?
I kind of suspect so, you sound like it.
B20
It looks to me like you are just trying to deflect the real issue here.
I am but an educated, concerned taxpayer who has children and grandchildren in the public schools.
A word of advice Blaidd_, take it or leave it…I don’t care. Get them into a decent parochial school or private school if you love them. At least an accelerated language or magnet school.
B20
Thanks for the “advice”, but I’ll have to “leave it”.
Your “advice” is totally off base and borders on idiotic. Truth be known, your attitude toward public schools nauseates me. It is attitude like yours that keeps the proper funds flowing to what the vast majority of our children experience, public schools.
It would appear you are from that radical group that attends those “tea parties” and partisan “town hall meetings” who cannot participate in civil discourse. I cannot even fathom why or how you think the way you do.
Your venomous rants show me that you do just the opposite of the teachings of the Christ.
Shame on you sir, shame on you.
Yeah, shame on me. My kids are both masters level post graduate educations, one MBA and an engineer, and one in medicine, possible starting a doctoral program paid for by the state university she teaches at they think that much of her ability. We paid for K-8 private school and were dirt poor at the time. They did attend a public high school, but my wife and I chose which one and finagled them both into it out of their normal district, which wasn’t easy. We paid their college tuition and books and much of the living expense as well. My grandkids are all in an accelerated language school and my oldest, only eleven, is leaving for another country for two months as an exchange student.
What works in education is parents that place an emphasis on it and make it important…NOT throwing more and more dollars at it and expecting anything to come from it.
Oh and by the way, I wasn’t “just trying to deflect the real issue here”. Mine was an honest suspicion based on your posts.
My ’suggestion’ was also sincerely and honestly offered to help people you love.
A good education is accomplished by hard work, a sound work ethic and parents and family that won’t accept anything less….not simply tax money thrown at a public school system.
B20
I get you.
You are typical of the right wing extremist: I’ve got mine so f*** you.
I have no use for your kind nor will I expend any energy to rebute your remarks.
Shame on your sir, shame on you.
WWJD?
“You are typical of the right wing extremist: I’ve got mine so f*** you.”
Correction, I worked for mine like everyone should. And I don’t mind paying into public school, remember I not only do now but also did, AND paid private tuition for nine years at the same time, though mine weren’t getting anything from public education. Now that’s a rip.
And I’ll tell you what the Bible says about it….thank you:
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.” 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth. Proverbs 10:4
How long will you lie there, you sluggard? When will you get up from your sleep? A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest — and poverty will come on you like a bandit and scarcity like an armed man. Proverbs 6:9-11
What you seem to want is for those that work to provide for those that won’t, and I didn’t say can’t, but won’t.
Hey Blaidd_Drwg69, here’s a good example of another crappy public school and a total failure of a teacher.
School kids taught to praise Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqMTD5UFmU