Remarkably, considering the heat of the August town halls, Kansans may be feeling a little better about President Obama. In the late-August SurveyUSA poll, co-sponsored by KWCH, Channel 12, 45 percent of Kansans said they approved of the job he’s doing, up 4 percent since July. The approval ratings for Kansas Sens. Pat Roberts and Sam Brownback were 58 and 54 percent, respectively, and 49 percent for Gov. Mark Parkinson. Those numbers represented one-month gains of 9 points for Roberts, 4 points for Brownback and 8 points for Parkinson.
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“YOU LIKE ME… YOU REALLY LIKE ME!”… for now.
It may not be increasing support of leaders, but the consequence of Kansans running away from CON lies.
Most Kansans are traditionally conservative. If CONs said President Obama is a moderate liberal, most Kansans would agree and oppose him. But when the crazies start accusing him of being a Marxist-Maoist-Nazi, common sense kicks in.
These are the same people who contend President Obama is the Islamic Manchurian Candidate who’s been indoctrinated by a Christian Activist hellbent on turning America into the United States of Kenya. These CONs scream “Keep the Government out of Medicare!” and thoughtful people say, hmmmm. A single Mom shows up at a congressional town hall meeting and asks how she can get health care for her 2-year-old and the congresscritter laughs and says, “Grow up.” And thoughtful people — even a few conservatives — mention S-CHIP (in between attacking “BlueJay” for subscribing to hit for his kid) but the congresscritter doesn’t. And thoughtful people step back and ponder stuff like, “Y’know, I don’t always agree with President Obama but I kinda get the idea he’s actually thought about the problem.”
No one ever accused his predecessor of thinking things through.
I believe that O’BAMA went on vacation in August and the bigger distraction was that Ted Kennedy died.
These two events kept O’BAMA out of the spotlight and everyone knows, silence is sometimes golden.
Look at the picture at the top of this thread and then insert the caption:
“I stoleded your cookie”.
I agree, Monkeyhawk. Kansans are reasonable people no matter their party affiliation and the unreasonable, the outright lies, the downright stupidity has been loudest, gotten the most attention and made reasonable people stop, listen and seek facts.
Every day, every issue I think they’ve gotten as outrageous as it is possible, then a new day dawns and they come up with a newer and more outrageous way to attempt to defeat President Obama.
Already today I’ve read where the anti Obamas now criticize and scream about a person resigning when yesterday they were screaming for him to resign. Sensible reasonable people see that criticism is all they’ve got!
“After decades of criticizing public schools as places where hardly anybody learns anything, suddenly conservatives are upset that a 15- to 20-minute Web cast in schools might teach too much.
Mercy. It takes a different planet from the one on which I live to find “persisting and succeeding in school” to be socialist ideology. But conservative pundits were just getting warmed up to the biggest political panic since former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin accused the House health care bill of mandating “death panels.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6604847.html
I see this foray into the unbelievable happening because the Republican Party lacks any spokesperson capable of sounding reasonable. The loud, the angry, the stupid come across loud and clear.
Linda,
I think this country is or already has stepped through the looking glass.
Freebird, Some have, and they make it very evident — their complaints allow everyone else to avoid going there.
The loud, the angry, the stupid come across loud and clear.
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That statement to me is exactly what is wrong with this country today. The shrill cries and condemnation from both sides are drowning out the majority of Americans who want to to see America move forward. The reason I don’t belong to either party is that I flatly refuse to be bound by a certain set of ideas no matter which side is proposing them. I like to look at both sides and pick a sloution to a problem that I think would be the best. I don’t care whether it is from the left or right.
And BTW Linda,
Granted you are way more liberal than I am, you seem to be one of the few liberals here that actually try to avoid personal insults and ridicule. Just wanted to let you know it is appreciated.
That’s called compromise, Freebird. The reason it works so well is because you’re forced to look at every idea, throw out the worst and keep only the best. It allows each person to carefully scrutinize not just their ideas, but others. The process usually starts out with a person explaining and supporting their own idea, the attempts to explain allow the weaknesses and strengths to be identified.
The U.S. Congress seems not to work that way as well as they should!
But, this recess and those who screamed loudest and told the most outrageous lies got the attention of more Americans. This is a good start. We need to watch carefully and remind our representatives we expect them to participate in the process of compromise. It’s the way Americans will get the best from every idea!
I’m looking forward to the Senate debates. We’ll see who is willing to compromising and who is not.
I’m looking forward to the Senate debates. We’ll see who is willing to compromising and who is not
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Hopefully the result will be what is best for America and not what is to the advantage of either side.
Thank you, Freebird. I have personal rules for blogging and I try hard to follow them, although I fail too often. This is a place we all have the right to state our opinions and each one is as good and as useless as the next. I always try to control my desire to respond or my need to rebut a personal attack by remembering that if I am criticized that is someone’s opinion of me, not who I am.
As you stated, I am far more liberal than you. I would prefer single-payer government-run health care for every American. I’ve studied where it is provided and find those civilized nations have healthier citizens which makes them more productive. It honestly makes me sad that America is a country that allows anyone to die because they cannot afford health care, and anyone to go broke because they got sick. Right now three good friends of mine — all insured with what they thought was good coverage — are facing financial ruin because they got sick.
So, the BIG compromise has already been made in my opinion! There are no proposals for a single-payor haleth-care system and the best we can hope for is a public option.
Nice picture.
Very appropriate too, considering what pu ss ies the Democrats are in not being able to pass a Health Care Bill.
The only sticking point for me is what effect is going to have on the defecit? If public option is the only way to go without adding another tax burden,then lets go for it. I don’t want the public option and the funding thereof to be a way to get back at or punish success as some of the far lefties are want to do. I think everyone needs to help pay their own way as far as possible
Linda,
The post between yours and mine is a classic example of what is wrong with America.
Freebird1971
Posted September 6, 2009 at 12:03 pm | Permalink
Linda,
The post between yours and mine is a classic example of what is wrong with America.
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Who died and made you the judge of what’s right and wrong in America?
High Horse
First Stone
Sanctimonious
Take your pick…
Just my opinion Reg, no more valid than yours.
First, let’s remember that a single-payer government-run health care system for all Americans isn’t even on the table.
It’s so easy to get carried away when you feel strongly about something (no matter which side you come down on), I think it’s best to emphasize where we’re starting.
We won’t know for sure what a public option might look like, what the details will be until some of the bills being worked on in committees come to the floor of both the House and the Senate for debate.
Taxpayers already pay the health care costs of those who qualify for Medicaid and SCHIP. Taxpayers already subsidize the health care systems that cover federal employees, the military and retired military and those over 65 years of age.
We who are insured pay more (in both insurance costs and our part of medical care) because some who really fall between the cracks seek health care in the most expensive places like emergency rooms.
There would be savings if a public option was made available. Again, until the details are fleshed-out we won’t know as much about the costs or the savings (how can anyone know costs until one knows what the plan might be?).
So when you hear the screams about how much will it cost, how will it be paid for… you must stop and rationally realize there is no single bill currently, there is no way of knowing until there is. There are estimates based on what is being proposed, but who knows currently if what is proposed will become reality? And which parts of which plan will that be?
I have a dear friend who is a lawyer and this is a much shortened version of what he thinks meaningful health-care reform must include –
“…real ‘reform’ will not occur so long as it is not a break from our current system. Single payer is, to me, the only rational approach. The payer may be private or public (governmental). If private, the entity must be a not-for-profit organization, one without shareholders (a mutual form of company), with any income (not-for-profits are allowed to “make money”, just that the income is not to inure to the benefit of any member, such as dividends) used to reduce premium costs
There would be a mandated basic coverage at the federal level, with the states free to require additional coverage at a higher premium for residents of that state. Any person who wished to do so could acquire supplemental insurance, such as Medicare supplemental coverage, to cover the deductibles, etc., but which would not provide coverage for those items covered by the basic plan.”
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Posted September 6, 2009 at 6:34 am | Permalink
White House environmental adviser Van Jones resigned Saturday after weeks of controversy stemming from his past activism.
“On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me,” Jones, special adviser for green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, said in a statement announcing his resignation just after midnight Saturday. “They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/09/06/van_jones_resigns.html?hpid=topnews
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Looks like a solid score for Repubs. They ran Jones off.
Democrats are such puzzies.
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What’s interesting is Freebird’s selective indignation at the term puzzie.
You know JJ I agree with some ofr your posts but most of the time its mind over matter,I don’t mind cuz you don’t matter.
You know Freebird, your post at 12:48 is a perfect example of what’s wrong with America.
Experience the horrors of the Canadian single payer health system in this fine video.
http://freemarketcure.com/thelemon.php
Pretty smart friend Linda, That is something I can be comfortable with. I think it is important to let states have their input as well.
As for National Healthcare, does anyone happen to know any of the details of National Healthcare Coverage?
- What is covered?
- What is excluded?
- What is the premium amount?
- What is the deductible?
- Can you choose your doctors?
- Can you choose your hospitals?
- Are 2nd opinions covered?
- What service level mandates are there to ensure timeliness and quality of health care?
- Can you keep your current private plan forever?
- Can you choose a different private plan in the future?
- How does the National Plan contain costs while preventing a massive doctor and nursing shortage?
- How much will the National Plan cost the taxpayer?
Before one jumps in to supporting a National Health Care plan, one should really know some basic and necessary details about the plan.
I submit that NONE of the National Healthcare supporters here, can answer the above questions. Your support is partisan and based on the unproven belief that the Government Plan will meet your needs for coverage, quality, timeliness, cost, and choice.
Regular,
About 30 yrs agao I worked as a full time EMT. We had several instances of women waiting until the last second to deliver their babies in the ambulance. Their reason? They could afford to pay for the ambulance bill but not a hospital bill,so they put their life and the life of their child in the hands of 2 people who between them did not have the experience of a first year resident. I’m sure the situation isn’t any better today.
Freebird1971
Posted September 6, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink
Regular,
About 30 yrs agao I worked as a full time EMT. We had several instances of women waiting until the last second to deliver their babies in the ambulance.
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Did they have EMT’s in 19th century America?
Where is the Constitutional Authority for the Federal Government to implement a National Healthcare Plan?
Can States choose to Opt-Out of the Federally Dictated Plan?
After healthcare, what can the Government take control over next?
Regular, You are probably older than I so you tell me
JimJohnson
Posted September 6, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
Where is the Constitutional Authority for the Federal Government to implement a National Healthcare Plan?
Can States choose to Opt-Out of the Federally Dictated Plan?
After healthcare, what can the Government take control over next?
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Splitting up of the FDA…
O’BAMA already has a Food Czar in mind.
So lay off those potato chips and burgers or you’ll be answering to the Food Czar.
Freebird1971
Posted September 6, 2009 at 1:05 pm | Permalink
Regular, You are probably older than I so you tell me
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Yeah, I’m probably older.
The point is, that babies were delivered before EMT’s were even thought of and for thousands of years.
Both of my parents were born at their respective homes with no help from a Doctor.
Regular
Posted September 6, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson
Posted September 6, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
Where is the Constitutional Authority for the Federal Government to implement a National Healthcare Plan?
Can States choose to Opt-Out of the Federally Dictated Plan?
After healthcare, what can the Government take control over next?
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Splitting up of the FDA…
O’BAMA already has a Food Czar in mind.
So lay off those potato chips and burgers or you’ll be answering to the Food Czar.
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Food.
Water.
Alcohol.
Smoking.
What car/truck you drive or don’t drive.
Internet.
Telephones.
Fairness Doctrine – Radio/TV, Cable, Satellite
Heating/Cooling thermostat level and CO2 emissions.
Land use, taking of private property for private use for the greater good.
Religion.
Schools.
Reparations.
Wealth Redistribution Fairness Plan.
Conscription.
The 1st and 2nd Amendments need to be destroyed pretty soon for all of the above to happen.
“Freebird1971″ –
Congratulations.
You’ve always seemed to be a traditional conservative in most of your posts and opinions. That’s why you and I have disagreed on issues here and there.
But today you got out of lock-step with a couple of the CONs of this forum and they ganged up with personal attacks against you.
Back to the topic of this thread, it looks as if you’re one of those conservatives instinctively drawn to conservative policies. But today’s CONs don’t like that. Unless you’re against all things Democrat, against all things progressive and, most important, against all people who don’t toe the CON line, you’re a target.
Welcome to WE Blog.
If by being a conservatvie,you mean less government control and more personal freedom,then I guess I am. But I am also a realist,I realize this country is in serious trouble and there has to be changes made and I can give my 2 cents worth and comprimise a little or I can be dragged kicking and screaming into change and become a bitter spiteful person,given the choice I choose the former
JimJohnson
Posted September 6, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
Where is the Constitutional Authority for the Federal Government to implement a National Healthcare Plan?
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It’s in the General Welfare clause of the Preamble… you stupid dipstick…
And where in the Constitution is there authorization for corporations?
No Authorization for TV Stations, or Blogs either!! LOL
“what is best for America and not what is to the advantage of either side.”
Yeah right.
Name ONE instance when you cons EVER worried about what was best for the country and not focused on getting the rich richer?
Blue Jay,
You aint near as smart as you think you are. I voiced my opinion and if its not to your liking,then I guess you have to deal with it.
Blue Jay,
Your hate is going to consume you.
“You aint near as smart as you think you are.”
Well I’m smart enough to know diplomacy with you people starts with asking our side who we are ready to sell out.
Don’t come asking our side to give when yours has been taking all along. There are too many people hurting because of your party and your beliefs to play at diplomacy. Get YOUR side to sell out.
If it consumes your party in the process, I am happy to make the sacrifice.
Get busy telling us what YOU are prepared to sacrifice.
Where did I ask anyone for anything? You and the far right are the problem
Blue Jay, For the umpteenth time I’m a moderate not affiliated with either party,try to get your mind around that.
Well then you should be able to see both sides in a fair light.
Sorry, but I don’t see that reflected in most of your posts.
But I’m always willing to learn.
From your perspective as a “moderate”, what would you tell the far right to give way on? Start there. Because the playing field is hardly level. There are lots of scores to settle before even getting close to diplomacy.
just for you Blue Jay
The reason I don’t belong to either party is that I flatly refuse to be bound by a certain set of ideas no matter which side is proposing them. I like to look at both sides and pick a solution to a problem that I think would be the best. I don’t care whether it is from the left or right.
The biggest stumbling block I see to get health care is the blind opposition from the Rs to any type of public option. For every citizen to be able to have health care there is going to have to be some sort of public option
And the far left has to soften their my way or the highway attitude.
“And the far left has to soften their my way or the highway attitude.”
Sorry, but we are NOT motivated to that when the GOP uses horrific fear tactics to try and scare people away from the public option.
Monkeyhawk
Posted September 6, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink
And where in the Constitution is there authorization for corporations?
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Although not specifically addressed in the Constitution, corportations have argued that they are personhoods under the 14th Amendment and have been successful.
Corporations also argue in courts for First Amendment rights as personhoods.
Our side promises health care for all.
Republicans deal in fear of “what if?”
I think a moderate would agree that the left position is at least more rational.
while at a glance the left position is rational,the what ifs need to be addressed as well
The problems with distribution of health care are clearly evident.
“What ifs?” are just that. It does not help the case of the “what ifers” that they trade in irrational fear.
so you are you saying peoples concerns and fears should not be addressed?
Actually BlueJay, it’s the leftists Democrats that are arguing what if’s.
They are arguing for an untested revision of a health care system that has not been decided how its going to be paid for, what or who is going to be covered and who will govern/manage the care.
Further, the leftist Democrats are going against the advise of their own CBO on demonstrated statistics that shows the proposed health care would ring up huge debts that could not be managed by the U.S. in its current state of indebtedness.
There are your what if’s.
They are all on the left.
advise = advice
Government provided health care clearly works for you “Regular”.
I have seen you bring no complaints here about your access to health care.
40 million Americans, myself among them, have no access to health care.
What is your rationale for denying it to them?
“What if” Regular has to wait 10 minutes longer in the waiting room so that all Americans can have health care?
Is this too much a demand on him? That others should suffer and die for HIS convenience? That’s certainly incredibly selfish coming from one who has been given so much.
Not having health insurance is not synonymous with “no access to health care”. Hyperbole?
“Not having health insurance is not synonymous with “no access to health care”.
The majority of declared bankruptcies in this country are attributable to a lack of health insurance or denial of claim.
SO outlander, what you are defending is that only those who can AFFORD health care should have access to it.
How very at odds with your claims to be a Christian.
I have posted a list of the free or reduced fee medical clinics available in Wichita. But I know that recognizing that fact doesn’t make it sound as desperate. But it would be more honest.
BlueJay
Posted September 6, 2009 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
“What if” Regular has to wait 10 minutes longer in the waiting room so that all Americans can have health care?
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Time spent in the waiting room has very little to do with the current health care argument.
What the discussion is on time management is that the same amount of doctors will be attending 20 percent more people with the same resources.
That’s an additional 4 hours per day. Since doctors need to eat, sleep and do other things in life, this means that appointments will delayed.
Appointments being delayed means management of what is more important, i.e. critical or emergency care or acute cases that cannot wait.
So, if you have let’s say a sprained shoulder, you may not get seen for several weeks and longer for restorative care. Plus, it’s unlikely you would get any get any pain medicication or anti-inflammatories to alleviate any tissue swelling while you wait.
This becomes worse in smaller urban and rural settings as physcian population is already very thin.
54& for Brownback. Now that just proves how cons run this state. Disgusting. Moderates and liberals don’t like Brownback, so where are the voices of opposition and why aren’t they speaking out?
“Freebird1971″ –
You’re falling into what WE Blog veterans have come to refer to as the “‘Nathaniel’ ‘Are-you-saying…?” fallacy.
You’re better than that.
Of course, “…peoples concerns and fears…” should be addressed.
But part of addressing those “concerns and fears” involves pointing out those “concerns and fears” are groundless.
Like, for example, President Obama isn’t gonna Hyp-No-Tize your babies into a new Hitler youth when he speaks to school children about setting goals, aspiring to them, doing homework, and staying in school.
Back to the original topic of this thread:
CONs are over-playing their hand. They can’t help themselves.
There was even a CON faction that tried to make the President’s circumcision (or alleged lack thereof) an issue!
There was an effort to attack Michelle Obama for wearing shorts on vacation. (“Mamie Eisenhower would have never worn shorts!!!”)
Yes. Thank god.
There’s a certain amount of insanity that’s taken over the right side of the political spectrum.
Buchanan says Hitler was a peacenik.
Beck says the art at Rockefeller Center subliminally indoctrinates anyone who passes through the lobby at 30 Rock to become a communist.
Are you saying if President Obama isn’t circumcised he’s hellbent to turning America into the United States of Kenya?!
Outlander, when I was unemployed and staying home with my son, my husband made about 12 bucks an hour for a family of 4. WE WERE 90 dollars over the yearly allowance for reduced healthcare. I was so sick at the time I couldn’t get into the doctor. I could have died. THAT is unacceptable.
Monkey, as evidenced by the above, it seems that you believe way too much of the bull sh*t you read on leftist websites. Who figured you for naive?
“What the discussion is on time management is that the same amount of doctors will be attending 20 percent more people with the same resources.”
What you are telling us James “Regular” McCluer is that you think you are more deserving of care then that 20%. That YOUR prompt and efficient care is more important than theirs. They must go without so that you can be provided for.
A typical Republican position.
Knowing you as this forum does, I for one do not find you worthy of elevated status.
What makes you so special “Regular”?
How is it you are worthy of the full ride from the Government that you enjoy while denying even the most basic of assistance to others?
Ryan J. Rimel beats his son.
“What the discussion is on time management is that the same amount of doctors will be attending 20 percent more people with the same resources.”
And that of course is a lie. Not surprising from a ward of the state seeking to protect his own place on the Government dime.
About 6% of the AMERICAN population has no health care.
What is 6% of a day??
Let’s make it 6% of a 9 to 5 day.
Got to allow the docs time for golf.
Well, quick math gives us one percent of a Dr.’s day is 4.8 minutes.
Accommodating treating the uninsured 6% adds 28.8 minutes to the doctors day.
Well GOSH “Regular”, you might have to wait a half hour!
And you have SO much better use for your time doing….?
A HALF hour out of your life “Regular”
To keep you alive and a menace to society at the expense of so many?
I’m sorry, I’m not finding you worthy.
I’ve seen ya James “Regular” McCluer.
I know you are hard up. worthy of institutionalization pre Reagan even.
Who the hell are you to advocate denial of the same care you accept??
Where IS your rugged individualism James?
You live with your sister. You are on the dole.
Our tax dollars pay for a mental case to menace a blog?
Best thank your lucky stars for folks more compassionate than you.
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