“Kansans of yesteryear didn’t whine when the feds shipped Nazi prisoners of war their way in the 1940s,” wrote Kansas City Star columnist Mike Hendricks. “Trainloads of German soldiers and sailors came. Many were the products of Hitler youth camps and a philosophy as scary as anything hatched in a militant madrassa. That’s why it’s embarrassing to watch the state’s political leaders of today stamping their little feet on rumors that the Gitmo detainees might end up in Leavenworth.”
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Hey, Kansas voted to have cowards represent us. Could you imagine the embarrassment if we elected one of those Senators as governor? That will be like saying we wet the bed on a nightly basis.
Patsy Roberts and Sam (the Sham) Brownback are simply insulting Kansans.
Kansas construction workers, apparently, are incompetent to build secure prisons.
Kansans are constitutionally incapable of guarding and incarcerating crafty “terrists.”
Kansans are somehow better off without the economic boon that would come from expanding the mission of Leavenworth County’s most essential economic force.
That’s what Sam (the Sham) and Patsy are telling you: “Kansans are incompetent in the face of 3rd World Muslim terrorists.” You’re not up to the job. You’re doomed to fail and your failure will result in I-70 being plagued by IEDs and brown-skinned snipers. That’s what they’re saying.
I’ve disagreed with plenty of Kansas Repubic Party politicians but for the first time in my life I’m truly ashamed at the elected governmental “representatives” whose “representation” consists of claiming Kansans are not up to the job at hand.
You CONs can try to dig up your “Why close Gitmo at all?” arguments to divert the issue at hand. Brownback and Roberts aren’t arguing that.
They’re saying straight out and plainly Kansans aren’t competent enough to build and run a secure prison.
I still would like to see a logical explanation of why the government is so intent on closing the current Guatanomo Bay prison. I believe it is a part of a U.S. Naval base at the east end of Cuba and seems to serve very well.
The base has a centerpiece, a McDonald’s Restaurant from which, it is said, “happy meals” are obtained to torture Gitmo detainees at mealtime.
In Leavenworth, the McDonald’s is located in the south part of town, down near Lansing, so wouldn’t be so convenient to the Federal prison or the Military detention center on the Ft. Leavenworth military base.
So, I vote for leaving the Gitmo detention center in Cuba with Kansas as the second choice.
JWink
Posted August 7, 2009 at 6:41 am | Permalink
I still would like to see a logical explanation of why the government is so intent on closing the current Guatanomo Bay prison.
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JWink, so would I. The facility at Gitmo seems to work just fine. Since Kansas Republicans are such a bunch of scared puzzies, let’s just leave the prisoners at Gitmo.
XXX, Mr. “we’re all adults here”, throws out the ceremonial first gratuitous insult. And we’re off and running.
I agree with Maggotpunk. The Citizens of Kansas have made Kansas what it is. Brownback and Roberts see us as a Blank Check. They lie and twist the truth. I know people don’t trust me because they don’t know me. I also know they don’t trust Brownback, or Roberts, because they “DO” know them. I am just like every citizen in Kansas. I am not allowed any more access to fix or investigate anything, anymore than you can. I can fix and investigate with your help. I will uphold my promise to an open door policy. I, when elected, will visit every county, and city in Kansas. I will require my Lt. Governor to do the same. We will explain whats going on in the State, what Legislature is working on, what my Office is working on and ask for input from, you, our Boss!! We will ask if anything requires our assistance. We will have consstituant services traveling with us. We will have liasons from S.R.S. and other State Agencies and Offices on hand to answer questions and get you answers. This visits will be a full day in each city, county. I refuse to just pop in for a photo opportunity and then just up and leave. Please feel free to contact me and get me to your community to speak with you in my campaign to become Governor. I can listen, and place any and all opinions and views on my website. I allow comments on my website. You can read up on me by going to my website. Click on my name, HerbertWestIII above and it will direct you to my site. My contact information is too the right on every website there. I have 3 websites there. Herbert West III, Uncontested Democratic Candidate for Kansas Governor, 2010. west dot herb at yahoo dot com 1-913-294-9375.
There is absolutely no logical reason to bring Gitmo prisoners to Kansas or anywhere else for that matter.
They are in a perfectly good detention center now.
Phillip I guess 75% of Americans are whiners. All those who oppose a stupid, wasteful move of terrorists – that will accomplish nothing.
What Americans WANT is for the military to put the detainees on trial – or release them to their homes.
But what Americans think is falling on deaf ears in Washington. And the media calls them “whiners”.
Nothing like reporting the news. Reporting the facts.
How’s it feel to work for something better sold in a grocery store checkout line?
Why should we have to hold them in prison? We have enough brave tough democrats around that they could roam free in our state. They wouldn’t dare try anything, knowing that. The four amigos from Gitmo now in the custody of the Bahamas (I think its the Bahamas)are working on a golf course.
Praise Allah. What is this green stuff on the ground, Ahmad?
The issue isn’t about the right or the wrong of closing Gitmo.
Many people contributing to WE Blog have explained why that particular facility, with all its unique abuses against human rights, has stained the reputation of the United States of America.
It’s residue of George WMD Bush’s reign of error and it’s not a pretty mess to clean up. But it needs to be cleaned up and it will be cleaned up.
Last time I was there, a couple of McDonald’s were in the Leavenworth/Lansing neigborhoods.
It’s not as if (as “JWink” implies) the prisoners of Gitmo are munching McRib sandwiches and collecting Transformer toys with their Happy Meals.
Guantanamo is a base for the United States Navy. The added duty of running a gulag isn’t part of their mission statement.
But Leavenworth County, Kansas as a stellar and unique and long-standing record for keeping people in the pokey.
The construction jobs would spur the economy.
The CO jobs and supporting industries would benefit from an additional facility.
CONs are so caught up in frenzies opposing anything, everything, that comes from this new administration they’re willing to conjure up fantasies that Muslims in prison in Leavenworth automatically would result in Tonganoxie becoming the new Mecca.
This is more than typical CON objectivism, though. This is a couple of United States Senators fighting against increased funding for an existing federal establishment… out of some weird sort of fear of religious pollution or something.
And their reason?
Kansans aren’t up to the job.
I’m sorry, but I’m not inclined to vote for someone whose main issue is “Kansans Can’t Do the Job,” as Brownback is preaching.
We could just tell the world we closed GITMO, but really keep it open. Would be a win win situation for everybody, if we just lied to them.
outlander
Posted August 7, 2009 at 6:56 am | Permalink
XXX, Mr. “we’re all adults here”, throws out the ceremonial first gratuitous insult. And we’re off and running.
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Outlander, Republicans always want to play tough guy…until it’s time to really be tough.
How many people have escaped from Leavenworth?
“Why should we have to hold them in prison? We have enough brave tough democrats around that they could roam free in our state.”
Now there’s a really bright idea, brought to you by the Right.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with GITMO, leave it in tact as it serves its purpose of detention. No need to move detainees to other areas, just because the Libs want to coddle terrorists.
“Guantanamo is a base for the United States Navy.”
IIRC, Guantanamo is a Marine base.
I have yet to see a good reason for closing Gitmo. Does anyone here have one?
Many politicans have toured the facilities there and said they are first rate for a prison. The food is prepared special for the prisoners to follow their religious beliefs. They are provided prayers rugs and a bell is sounded for prayer times. Will we turn Leavenworth into this style of prison and if we do will we be violating the rights of the Christian prisoners held there. After all we would never be allowed to put a cross in the exercise yard.
Just another foolish promise with no basis that Obama made and now has to find a way to fulfill.
XXX, I don’t give a cr@p where they put them. Realistically they have no chance to get out of a supermax. This topic has to be one of the stupider wastes of bandwidth. But this KC Star journalist is indeed tough and brave, as you can tell from his words. Probably a democrat.
I am for moving Kansas to Cuba!
“We could just tell the world we closed GITMO, but really keep it open. Would be a win win situation for everybody, if we just lied to them.”
Excellent Barnie, little Barry is really good a lying to us, it will work.
outlander
Posted August 7, 2009 at 7:20 am | Permalink
XXX, I don’t give a cr@p where they put them. Realistically they have no chance to get out of a supermax. This topic has to be one of the stupider wastes of bandwidth. But this KC Star journalist is indeed tough and brave, as you can tell from his words. Probably a democrat.
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Outlander, we’re not as far apart on this as you may think. I don’t understand what’s the big rush to close Gitmo, either.
Seems to me like a new compound on an island guarded by Marines is a pretty good place to hold these so-called terrorists.
Eight reasons to close Gitmo
inthesetimes.com/article/3024/
Ten reasons to close Gitmo
democracyarsenal.org/2005/06/weekly_top_10_1_2.html
No good reason to close Gitmo
heritage.org/research/homelandsecurity/wm763.cfm
(Note that no mention of torture appears in this essay. They do rail against Amnesty International, though)
And lastly:
whitehouser.com/news/anti-terrorism-efforts-tainted-by-torture-photos/
DavidB,
Those photographs are from that Iraqi prison, not GITMO. The people who abused prisoners were prosecuted and kicked out of the Army. It was Army troops, not Marines.
There isn’t a good reason to move detainees from GITMO, other than to make Libs feel like they have achieved some cheap victory on something I dunno – perhaps another Bush compensation.
David you are really confused about your prisons. Some actual facts about Gitmo would be useful.
Gitmo is to America as that statue of Saddam was to Iraq, it should be demolished, a symbol of America’s darkest days.
Repubs have been successful in their fear campaign, and Kansans shudder at the thought of bringing the woist of the woist to Ks.
Those third word fanatics are a bunch of McGyver’s in disguise, the hicks of ks. would be no match, gotta agree with our Senators on this one!
oops!
Please take my mistaken link to pretend that Gitmo was not a place of torture and legal limbo.
I know when we all think of the word Gitmo we all think “Club Med” and mojitos with paper umbrellas.
Why, a terrorist would just say, “Hey, look over there” to the guard , and it’d be all over.
Democrat Governor Parkinson is opposing the Gitmo move to Kansas. There are D’s in the legislature opposing it.
This is not a R vs D position.
Maybe should keep Gitmo and rename it as a President George W. Bush memorial. It’s fitting.
Irrational fear isn’t always limited to one party.
“I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat!”
I see no reason to close GItmo, but if the politicos want to,I see no problem with it either.
Send them to Montana, they have a fully operational prison that is about to close because of no inmnates. THey want, sent them there. I really don;t care if they are in Kansa or not, it just seems to be a waste to not send them to Montana since it is completely empty, and not special arrangments wouldhave to be made.
Heck, guess it would save a few jobs. But, I see no special reason to close Gitmo. I guess I just don;t give a crap one way or the other.
I’m with XXX. Give me a good reason to close Gitmo; I haven’t seen one. And BTW – no amount of public relations is good enough.
And not wanting the prisoners here is not a Kansas problem; NO ONE wants them. NO state is lining up to take them. So let’s knock off the fake bravado and complaints about “whining” and those poor, scairdy Kansans. That’s balony, and the writer knows it.
This really is about a deadline problem of Obama’s creation, and a legal problem that goes far beyond Obama and will apply over the long haul during what will be a long war against terrorism: What do you do with the terrorists? They are not prisoners of war in any traditional sense; they cannot be repatrioted to any state, as they are not in the armed forces of any state. They’re not just “criminals” entitled to the usual due process. Just what are they? And how do we deal with them long term?
One lesson we may learn is clear: don’t take terrorism prisoners, just shoot them on the battlefield. That’s cold, but it solves the problem . . .
GMC70-
I do believe Montana wants them. At least the community that has a brand new prison and no customers want them
By the way, there is no longer a “war on terrorism”
Apparently, we are only at war with aL-Queada….According to the White House
War on Terrorism has been replaced with a “War on Greed”.
About as nebulous as say a “War on Hate”.
NO state is lining up to take them.
GMC70 THAT’S A LIE!!! LITTLEJOHN IS RIGHT
AND YOU ARE WRONG. Montana wants them.
Get your facts right before jumping on the
blog. It’s OK to have an opinion, we all do,
but you have a responsibility to be factual
correct when you post.
see: http://patdollard.com/2009/04/montana-jail-wants-gitmo-prisoners/
The Hardin (Mont.) City Council voted to support
moving Gitmo prisoners to its city prison. Fact.
IIRC, Guantanamo is a Marine base.
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Nope, it’s a Naval base. They just have the Marines around for ceremoial purposes and to guard the gate so they don’t have to pay rent-a-cops.
Phantom
Posted August 7, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink
About as nebulous as say a “War on Hate”.
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Or a war on poverty.
The only embarrassment is watching monkeyboy and maggotbreath have their daily conniption fits over our two fine Senators (and soon to be Governor). No other state in the union, with the possible exception of Oklahoma is as blessed as Kansas when it comes to having two top notch Senators.
The Left has long clamored to get these POW’s moved to the States for one reason. They want yet another rallying point where they can bemoan the imperialist United States Government. Another School of the America’s where Martin Sheen and Susan Sarandon can come and get arrested a couple of times a year and vent their hatred for America. Another chance for the ACLU types to practice their particular form of hatred for their own Country
Contrary to what the Leftist media would have you believe, the terrorists at GITMO have been treated very humanely and every accommodation has been made to meet their religious needs. I would dare say that no prisoners of war in the recorded history of man have received better treatment.
Ask yourselves this. If you were a Gitmo detainee, would you rather stay in a tropical climate where you are given a diet and every other consideration of your Islamic faith, or go to some hundred year old dank cold penitentiary and go into the general population?
Why do leftists hate Terrorists prisoners so much that they would subject them to that?
minutelady
Posted August 7, 2009 at 9:11 am | Permalink
IIRC, Guantanamo is a Marine base.
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Nope, it’s a Naval base. They just have the Marines around for ceremoial purposes and to guard the gate so they don’t have to pay rent-a-cops.
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Minutelady, there’s a full Marine garrison at Gitmo. But the Corps is part of the Navy (UGH), so I guess technically, you’re right.
SOmebody has to be the Navy’s bellhops.
“Contrary to what the Leftist media would have you believe, the terrorists at GITMO have been treated very humanely and every accommodation…..”
A comfortable prisoner is still a prisoner.
With what are these people charged? Why have so many of them been let go through these now MANY years?
I don’t know that I want them in the US. But putting them on an island has allowed us to forget that they exist.
We processed hundreds of thousands of German prisoners of war fairly efficiently. MANY of them eventually decided to remain in America. Why so much difficulty administering justice for this handful?
Could it be that some of our fellow Americans need a lingering bogeyman?
:-)
Just in case you were wondering
Okie – I would think you would be wanting these Gitmo detainees brought to Kansas. Just think about all those new employees you could exploit?
bluejay – without the fearmongering – what would Republicans do? The GOP is down to 22% of the population and dropping like a rock.
This party brags about Obama’s approval rating dropping but refuse to believe the same polls saying the American people trust Obama more than they do the Republicans!
So, even when faced with the truth, Republicans will choose to live in the fantasy world where big bad bogeymen have to live – in order to control the ignorant masses.
How about a War on War?
“We processed hundreds of thousands of German prisoners of war fairly efficiently. MANY of them eventually decided to remain in America. Why so much difficulty administering justice for this handful?”
Whole different situation. THey were sent here as Uniformed military POWS from a foreign nation with which we were at war. In addition, many in the regular army disagreed with the Nazi and SS. In oals, and in methodology. Nonetheless, When the war was over, and the Germans surrendered they were sent home if they wished. Many did not wish. The people at Gitmo are not anything like that. Some cannot be sent back supposedly. What they are is open to intreptetation. That is what PRESIDENT OBAMA found out in contrast to what CANDIDATE OBAMA thought. That’s why they are still there. It needs to be resolved, but I think there are no easy answers
Politico
Posted August 7, 2009 at 8:27 am | Permalink
Democrat Governor Parkinson is opposing the Gitmo move to Kansas. There are D’s in the legislature opposing it.
This is not a R vs D position.
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There are some on both sides that believe ANY issue is R v D and to hell with what’s in the best intrest of the country. Personally I could care less where they move the terrorists or if they leave them at Gitmo.
The comparisons between the philosophical committment between WWII Nazi POWs and todays Muslim terrorists is not valid. The German POWs that were expatriated to America during WWII were not committed to the Nazi philosophy as are the contemporary Muslim terrorists. In WWII most Nazis knew that the Nazi philosophy was very wrong, that ‘ethnic purification’ was an abomination, and that they were losing the war. Not so with Muslim terrorists. They remain committed to their politco-religous jihad. To them it is a matter of religous fullfillment. They’re not just blindly following some nut like Hitler or Hussein. They cling to the belief that America can be beaten in a war by a tactic of insurgency (because it has been done before and they have done it before). Many of them would be more than happy to move the battleground to the United States. All those who say that Kansans are cowards because we “… don’t want them here” just don’t know the ‘them’ in the equation and grossly under estimate their power base.
XXX
I’m sure you have heard that Marine stands for My A**Rides In Navy Equipment
The reasons to close Gitmo are numerous and compelling.
The symbolism of keeping open a lawless torture facility has been mentioned. Should Auschwitz had been used as a county jail. And since not one of these people have been convicted of anything (and notice the steady stream of released innocents?), that’s about what it would be. Would it have been okay, e.g., to have kept jews suspected of crimes there after the war, since it’s a “perfectly good facility”? The argument is indistinguishable.
More importantly, Gitmo was specifically designated as a “law-free” zone in Cuba by the Bush administration and, new administration withstanding, the management of Gitmo has not changed, and the reports of abuse continue to flow in like water. Keeping Gitmo open not only invites further abuse, it also invites more of the legal ratiionalizations that excused it (and, in case you haven’t noticed, lawyers in the Holder justice department have been surprisingly willing to advocate for the brutal, un-American and indefensible principles of the Bush regime).
Finally, because Gitmo was built precisely as a means of circumventing every legal principle of civilized societies, that shows it is superfluous. Or would it be okay to ship our (already convicted) US convicts–”the worst of the worst”–there??
And taking a full year to close Gitmo is hardly a “rush.” Certainly not to those who actually have a realistic chance of getting released.
“They remain committed to their politco-religous jihad.” Except maybe the hundreds scooped up by mistake.. heehe
“They remain committed to their politco-religous jihad.” Except maybe the hundreds scooped up by mistake.. heehe
Factoid: Most of those captured and held incommunicado for years and tortured at Gitmo were released. Without a hearing. Without a trial. Without an apology.
“Contrary to what the Leftist media would have you believe, the terrorists at GITMO have been treated very humanely and every accommodation…..”
Riight. It’s practically Club Med.
Idiot.
Rage:
Your reasons for closing Gitmo amount to symbolism only. That ain’t good enough. Moreover, you confuse the abuses – real enough, and prosecuted – at Abu Graib (spelling?) with Gitmo; they are quite different. In fact, Gitmo, while hardly Club Med, is a humane and clean facility; there has been no evidence of torture there.
Moreover, equating German POWs, who could be repatriated to their gov’ts, with terrorists (or suspected terrorists, if you like) who cannot be repatrioted anywhere is apples and oranges. The confused legal status of the Gitmo detainees is the problem – they are most certainly NOT POWs in the traditional sense. There is no gov’t responsible for their conduct to return them to. It’s not clear just what they are, but the usual rules of war and the treatment and return of captured lawful combatants do not apply. They truly are (or are at least alleged to be) in a real sense unlawful combatants, acting without any authorizing sovereignty and thus without the protections that same provide.
Frankly, in an earlier time, we’d have just shot them; that’s what happened to unauthorized combatants. We may wish we had.
My point stands: the reasons for closing Gitmo amount to public relations, not sound policy. Obama’s committed to doing so because of an ill-concieved campaign promise, and now he’s up against the difference between campaigning and governing.
BTW – that’s the OBAMA Justice Department you’re criticizing, not Holder’s. Holder’s just a placekeeper; the man upstairs makes the policy.
I can think of one major difference between Gitmo and Leavenworth…it is impossible to drive a truck full of explosives up to the gate at Gitmo. anyone remember the Marine baracks murders in Beruit? We are not dealing with rational people..they will cheerfully die for ‘their cause’.
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. In fact, Gitmo, while hardly Club Med, is a humane and clean facility; there has been no evidence of torture there.
Nice revisionism, counselor. Let’s just throw the reality of the past 8 years down the memory hole!
Just one example (of many) of that ‘non-existent’ evidence:
China inspired interrogations at Guantánamo
By Scott Shane
Published: Wednesday, July 2, 2008
WASHINGTON — The military trainers who came to Guantánamo Bay in December 2002 based an entire interrogation class on a chart showing the effects of “coercive management techniques” for possible use on prisoners, including “sleep deprivation,” “prolonged constraint,” and “exposure.”
What the trainers did not say, and may not have known, was that their chart had been copied verbatim from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to obtain confessions, many of them false, from American prisoners.
More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/world/americas/02iht-02detain.14154569.html?_r=1
As for Holder’s Justice Department, you’re just wrong. Following the Constitution is not “policy.” And Holder cannot independently do the right thing, he should resign.
And the fact also remains that allegations of mistreatment have continued, even under Obama:
LONDON — Abuse of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay has worsened sharply since President Barack Obama took office as prison guards “get their kicks in” before the camp is closed, according to a lawyer who represents detainees.
Abuses began to pick up in December after Mr. Obama was elected, human rights lawyer Ahmed Ghappour told Reuters. He cited beatings, the dislocation of limbs, spraying of pepper spray into closed cells, applying pepper spray to toilet paper and over-forcefeeding detainees who are on hunger strike.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.html?id=1327380
As for Obama, well I am still appalled and disgusted by his endorsement of indefinite detention, something that is absolutely illegal in anything that resembles America, and something that even the nobles in 13th century England knew was wrong.
Note: Apparently 2 posts that say the same as one is okay, so long as they’re shorter.
How idiotic, and anti-intellectual.
“GMC70″ contributes –
“Gitmo, while hardly Club Med, is a humane and clean facility; there has been no evidence of torture there.”
Since when have you been concerned with “evidence?”
“GMC70″ adds –
“The confused legal status of the Gitmo detainees is the problem….”"
DING! DING! DING! DING!
TELL ‘IM WHAT HE’S WON, JOHNNY!!
Gee.
Y’think?
Gitmo (and Iraq, and Afghanistan, and the economy…) are simply flaming paper bags of dogs#it that prankster George WMD Bush left on the White House porch before running away to Texas.
Sorry. I want to fix the problems rather than the blame. But you have to admit, even if McCain and the Moose-Dresser had been elected last November all of the problems facing Americans would still be with us.
It’s a fool’s game to imagine that parallel universe as to how a President McCain might have dealt with the last 8 months. That’s a fool’s game.
But no one can possibly think the condition of the nation today would be all rainbows, teddy bears, and unicorn unicorn farts were someone (anyone) other than the duly elected President Barack Obama at the helm.
The “…confused legal status of the Gitmo detainees…” is the residue of Bush mismanagement of the government between January 20, 2001 and January 20, 2009. They gamed the Constitution, they gamed the Geneva Conventions, they gamed Wall Street, Enron gamed energy deregulation, Halliburton gamed war, Blackwater gamed murder and morality itself.
The Repubic Party has gamed the truly faithful. Thirty years of promising the Twice Born they’d stop the killing of “babies,” the Repubic Party stands firm in its commitment to keep cashing your checks.
It’s not just Gitmo, “GMC70.”
“The confused legal status…” of America is the problem.
We didn’t get where we are in just the last 8 years, but the last 8 years sure helped.
All this fear of the Gitmo detainees is profoundly un-American. We trust our prisons to hold our home-grown killers, yet we’re terrified of a few amateurs from the cultural backwaters of the world? Our great nation which has produced the likes of Jesse James, The Dalton Gang, Pretty Boy Floyd, John Dillinger, Bonny and Clyde, Babyface Nelson, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy and the Unibomber stands trembling at the sight of a few foreign pikers who know nothing of our great criminal history? Our murderers stand up and surpass any the rest of the world has to offer! Where is our national pride, folks? Show some patriotism! Throw these alien tyros into real American Prisons and show the rest of the world’s criminals that we know how to handle anything they got! Bring ‘em on!
Freebird1971
Posted August 7, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink
XXX
I’m sure you have heard that Marine stands for My A**Rides In Navy Equipment
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Freebird, I was Infantry.
What does “ride” mean?
“Jed” cites –
“…the likes of Jesse James, The Dalton Gang, Pretty Boy Floyd, John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, Babyface Nelson, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacey, Ted Bundy and the Unibomber….”
Yeah.
But we’re talkin’ ’bout “mooooz-lums” here. And Brownback and Roberts don’t think Kansans are up to the task of keepin’ ‘em in the pokey.
It’s a slap in the face of ordinary Kansans who work in construction, corrections, and all those places where those workers buy burgers and sneakers and clothes and Snickers and stuff.
Monkeyhawk — that’s IT exactly! Anger and hate are due to lack of information and/or fear. These Muslims are more scary and less understood than those run of the mill proven, tried and convicted criminals — these might not even be criminals.
Gee remember back in the good ole days when the democrats wanted to get the terrorists trials?
Remember the whining about fair trials? Remember the speedy trial crying?
Not so much anymore.
And yes DEMOCRATS ARE COMING AFTER YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY!!
And has even one liberal presented a good reason WHY the terrorist should be moved from the perfectly good prison tax payers built for them?
Hah! I wondered when I’d hear this one. Last time I heard this they were talking about the evil rich paying more taxes:
“fear of the Gitmo detainees is profoundly un-American”
Too funny.
Jed posted:
“Our murderers stand up and surpass any the rest of the world has to offer!”
Oh, really? Have ‘our murderers’ flown planes into skyscrapers, killing thousands of innocents? Have “our murderers” blow up car bombs outside baracks in Beiruit? Have “our murderers” brought down airplanes over Scotland, killing hundreds of innocents? Have ‘our murderers” blown up hundreds of innocent people with car bombs?
obviously not…seems ‘our murderers’ have a ways to go to kill over 3,000 people at one time….maybe that will yet happen..are you hoping for that?
Raptor this is what our murderers did:
The Oklahoma City bombing occurred on April 19, 1995 when American militia movement sympathizer Timothy McVeigh, with the assistance of Terry Nichols, destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.[1] It was the most significant act of terrorism on American soil until the September 11 attacks in 2001, claiming the lives of 168 victims and injuring more than 680.[2][3] The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen–block radius,[4] destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.[5] The bomb was estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
It was only–prior to 9-11–the worst act of domestic terrorism in this nation’s history.
But interesting concept: “justice,” apparently, should be different for those damn ferners.
Some people might say the same of those damn greasy bikers, ya know?
But when you prejudge people based upon their personal traits, there is a word for that.
Rapt,
Our hardworking American killers managed to dispatch 16,682 souls in just the year 2005, the most recent I could find a figure for. America’s highly skilled and efficient murderers killed more Americans in just one year than those Middle-Eastern johnny-come-latelies have in the last 8! Let’s give credit where it’s due! America’s criminals are the finest, most brutal the world has ever seen. Be proud of your country!
It only encourages Al-Quida and gives them bragging rights for them to read/hear that American Senators are quaking in their Marine boots at the prospect of some of their people being allowed to set foot on American soil.
Kind of like the punk street gang members that don’t earn their stripes until they’ve done hard time.
Rapt,
Might I also point out that it took 19 A-rabs to pull off the 9/11 attack, which only averages 155 deaths per terrorist, and they didn’t even manage a getaway!
To paraphrase Roberts and Brownback: “Bring ‘em to Kansas, Heck, why don’t you just hand the terrorist suspects the key to their locks!”
VA selects Leavenworth for new center
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The Associated Press
TOPEKA, Kan. – The Department of Veterans Affairs has selected Leavenworth as the site for a new patient account center.
Members of the Kansas congressional delegation announced the selection Friday. The new center will be housed at the Dwight D. Eisenhower VA Medical Center Campus.
Officials say the center will create 400 jobs for the area. The center is responsible for handling billing, insurance verification, accounts receivable and cash management. The Leavenworth center will consolidate VA patient accounts for the central region.
The VA center is located on the southern edge of Leavenworth. The city is also home of Fort Leavenworth, where the Army’s Command and General Staff College and U.S. Disciplinary Barracks are located.
Oh no, another target for the terrorist suspects after they escape their incompetent jailers!Stop the lunacy!
Phant,
Maybe they should be housed in a special wing of a Women’s prison.
“quaking in their Marine boots”
Well Phantom you are showing improvement in the area of spelling. You get an “A” for the correct capitalization of the worlds finest fighting force “Marine”.
Unfortunately, you need to brush up on your US History.
Please open your textbook and begin reading from November 10, 1775….. 54 streamers authorized: 42 for battles, campaigns and service, and twelve for citations.
Let me know when you find the total Marine casualties throughout US History. Young men. Ages 18 to 25….
If we have terrorist running the streets of Leavenworth ready to stage a breakout, we best be tracking them down. Or, will they only be activated if prisoners are moved there from GITMO? Repubs will fall for anything.