Turns out the cynics were correct in saying that the Bush administration manipulated terrorism threat warnings for political gain. Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge’s wrote in his new memoir, “The Test of Our Times,” that the weekend before the 2004 presidential election, Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft pushed him to raise the color-coded warning for political reasons. “I consider the episode to be not only a dramatic moment in Washington’s recent history, but another illustration of the intersection of politics, fear, credibility and security,” wrote Ridge, who resigned shortly after the incident. Some other claims by Ridge that don’t reflect well on the Bush administration: Ridge wasn’t invited to sit in on National Security Council meetings, was “blindsided” by the FBI in morning Oval Office meetings because the agency withheld information from him, and tried to block Michael Brown from being named to lead FEMA.
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Just more evidence that the previous administration was a really dark point in American history.
Bush Legacy? hahahahahahahaha!
Gawd, sometimes I hate being right…
Looks like someone has a book to sell.
Think of the book Hillary will write. “I was never invited to the White House”. “The prez always sent some lackey to do my job and sent me to take care of the little things”.
What goes round comes round. All politicans are corrupt and have a book to sell.
Ah Oakie, proud member of the 20 percent club.
Dennis
The idea that former administration officials shouldn’t be held accountable for their complete dishonesty, arrogance and betrayal of the public trust is becoming less tenable with every almost daily revelation. If we fail to bring these criminals to justice, we will guarantee that future administrations will engage in similar behavior, and erode even further our trust in our leaders.
I say clean house. Lets start with Axelrod since he is still in the power circle.
Hipocrites.
Funny how all those here who gladly trusted Bush with the lives of our servicemen in a war he manufactured for political gain, who swore he was ordained president by god, who cheered him on in his efforts toward national moral and fiscal bankruptcy are now terrified witless of Obama!
The Bush crew trying to use Homeland Security falsely for political purposes has what to do with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton exactly how??
Like Bush using the Justice Department for political purposes and Rove trying to fire Attorneys General for not pursuing politically motivated prosecutions or the give his aide a job… shines light on the current health care debate.
The Republicans seem willing to do anything to retake power, regardless of the truth or negative impacts on the people of this country. They are willing to torpedo American’s efforts to fix a broken healthcare system (which 80% of Americans are unhappy with) as long they can politically bloody Mr. Obama’s nose so they can pick up a few seats in Congress in 18 months.
More lies David with the ridiculous 80% number and you of course know that.
As for Rove, the dims have had the house and senate for over 2 years. Why are they holding back? Put the evidence out there and run with it.
I for one want the corruption in Washington cleaned up – on both sides of the aisle.
So if the dims have the goods – get Rove or get back to the business of what this administration is doing to our country.
My view is this: First I see Tom Ridge is patting himself on the back. But assuming it is true, Bush picked a good man to head Homeland Security, one who resisted the political pressure to use the warning levels for political purposes. And every bit as much a Bush appointee as those who allegedly applied the pressure.
“Turns out the cynics were correct in saying that the Bush administration manipulated terrorism threat warnings for political gain”
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Umm… Wrong Phillip. See the article. It wasn’t done.
I swear, sometimes, I think you are like a car with an alignment problem. Always pulling toward the ditch on the left.
The Health Care in America 2006 SurveyABC News/Kaiser Family Foundation/USA Today found 80% of Americans are dissatisfied with the cost of their healthcare.
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7572.pdf
and http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-10-15-health-poll1.htm
Your apology is accepted.
“Looks like someone has a book to sell.”
Absolutely right okobserver, and that’s all it is.
He’s done this kind of thing before and all he’s interested in is selling books and making history shine on him.
Chuckle… DavidB, I can’t remember who said it, but there is a quote that went something like this: If you think health care is expensive now, just wait ’til it’s free”.
outlander
Posted August 22, 2009 at 8:28 am | Permalink
Chuckle… DavidB, I can’t remember who said it, but there is a quote that went something like this: If you think health care is expensive now, just wait ’til it’s free”.
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Ronald Reagan said that back in the 1960s.
Best video you’ll ever see on the warnings against Liberal Socialism and forcing government health care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs
“This specific time period, however, has brought a new low-point in the president’s public job approval-ratings – down to 51 percent this week in the Gallup Poll, the Pew Research Center’s poll and the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released this week. An ABC/Washington Post poll today shows that fewer than half of Americans surveyed – 45 percent – support the health-care reform as it has been explained to date, with 50 percent opposed.”
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/08/weeweed_up_white_house_explain.html
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David 50% are opposed with what the Prez is advocating. This just doesn’t jive with your ‘facts’ now does it.
Apology accepted.
David posted:
“The Republicans seem willing to do anything to retake power, regardless of the truth or negative impacts on the people of this country. They are willing to torpedo American’s efforts to fix a broken healthcare system (which 80% of Americans are unhappy with) as long they can politically bloody Mr. Obama’s nose so they can pick up a few seats in Congress in 18 months.”
An obvious lie but then the desperation level for the libs is high.
BTW look at what and who the Kaiser Foundation is and get back to me.
Yeah, it’s all about a book release.
“The Test of our Times: America under Siege” will be available September 1, 2009. In the book he (Ridge) states that both Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft tried to persuade Tom Ridge to elevate the nation’s threat level; he refused. Instead, he submitted his resignation.
Lets see. A Liberal east coast republican. A gay loving, gun grabbing, one world rino republican. At least his buddy Arlen Specter had the decency to go ahead and become what we all knew he was all along, a dumb-o-crat.
What Ridge doesn’t realize is that all of the best sellers of our time have been written by conservatives who don’t trash other conservatives to sell a book.
Look at the recent best sellers who are leading the NY Times list. Maulkin, O’Reilly, Levin, Coulter,..
Curiously absent are the ‘tell all’ books and liberal authors with nothing to say.
In other words, when confronted with bad things done by Republicans, the Republicans stick a finger in each ear, and say, “Lalalalalalalalalalalalalala!”
I am TIRED of President Obama’s pandering to the cons and forgiving their trespasses.
Al Gore had it right when he said of bush and his administration.,,
“He betrayed this country, He preyed on our fears!”
Prosecution and incarcerations are in order. Up to AND including george w bush.
kobserver
Posted August 22, 2009 at 9:13 am | Permalink
What Ridge doesn’t realize is that all of the best sellers of our time have been written by conservatives who don’t trash other conservatives to sell a book.
Look at the recent best sellers who are leading the NY Times list. Maulkin, O’Reilly, Levin, Coulter,..
Curiously absent are the ‘tell all’ books and liberal authors with nothing to say.
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How right you are. Republicans love reading the lies written by other Republicans, and the above mentioned authors are all outstanding liars.
Yeah right BlueJay – prosecution – all that Ridge mentioned in the book teaser was disputes over policy differences.
When one becomes boss, you set the policy.
Tom Ridge is just whining that his word wasn’t taken gospel.
It’s not like Ridge is a lone voice.
How many other other bush administration officials simply could not go along with the worst administration in history and had to get out?
Why shouldn’t Ridge be left out of National Security meeetings and have vital information withheld from him, wasn’t like he was the top dog for Homeland Security or anything. NOt like anyone had attacked N.Y. or something.
For Bush WOT was a political scheme, and it worked well.
The people bush hired who possessed integrity, found they couldn’t continue to work for him and his administration.
Looks at these bushies attack a man of integrity of whom they couldn’t say enough about when he held the office oh Homeland Security Czar.
What was it 3 days after Kerry’s nomination at the convention, and they jacked up the alert, Kerry’s lead dropped 3 or 4 percent. Then before the election out comes Osama’s letter helping bush.
It is pretty sad that cons continue to defend and deny the wrongdoing perpetrated on the American people. You should be outraged and ashamed that you were so easily manipulated. But no, instead of seeing it as a character flaw on your part for being bobble-heads, you blame…RIDGE.
You know what, in some ways, I do too, he should have SPOKE OUT when it happened. Of course as with Plame, we know what happens when you speak out against the BushCo… they’ll getcha.
If you call this patriotism, you’re disgusting individuals that you would accept the manipulation of an election like that.
JM easy to call names but you wouldn’t be able to prove that any of these authors are liars. Mark Levins book should be a must read for all. He very clearly states how we are losing our liberties one at a time and still the sheeple follow blindly along.
I guess you and I will just agree to disagree on this one.
How many ex bush officials have to come out and say how crooked this administration really was? First Wilson/Plame, then McClellan, now this guy…and that doesn’t even include the C street and sex scandals.
I swear the cons approve of this.
Which is why you will continue to lose the trust and respect of the people of America.
We know why the ultracon books sell so well, the con cronies buy them all up and then have to give them away.
Political_mama
Posted August 22, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink
It is pretty sad that libs continue to defend and deny the wrongdoing perpetrated on the American people.
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You are almost right pmom. I don’t defend everything Bush did and have stated that here repeatedly. But by the same token I see an administration that is pushing our economy in the dumper as fast as they can and I see his party allowing this to happen. I have asked about Axelrod several times here and no lib will comment. Is it because of ignorance or shame.
Either way this administration has over looked much worse than the Haliburton link they claimed for Cheney in Boxer, Feinstein, and now Axelrod.
Maybe I will take your party seriously when they aren’t so duplicitous.
Which is why you will continue to lose the trust and respect of the people of America.
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That is what exactly is happening to your “chosen one”
“A Liberal east coast republican. A gay loving, gun grabbing, one world rino republican.”
The above statement is part of the good news!
The regional party of no won’t accept anyone who falls outside their limited worldview. So even though their goal is to defeat the Obama presidency, they are their own worst enemy. A person who may attract votes from Independents or moderates won’t pass the tests of the dwindling ‘base,’ to get past the nomination process.
Whether the crooks from the bush the lesser administration are held accountable or not, they have reduced the Republican Party and limited their viability.
Yeah, objections over color-coding warnings is a criminal act.
Or disagreeing on who is hired or not is a criminal act.
(rolls eyes)
What a bunch of maroons…
When Obama becomes crooked, Free, then I’ll agree with you. Its not like I’ve got my head so far up his butt I’m not willing to call him out when need be.
Granny, Axelrod isn’t the problem here. Your proposal sounds as if Obama is wanting to fail so bad in his first term that he won’t get re-elected. Yeah that makes sense. Duh.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5253089.shtml
The economy is turning around, healthcare reform WILL pass, and when the country is in good shape by the end of Obama’s first term, the voting public will be happy enough to re-elect him.
I know you will do everything in your power to destroy anything positive that makes our side show you up once again, but I’m not going to let that happen.
If something bad is happening from my party officials, I’ll address it. But at this point anything you point to is minuscule in comparison to what your party did to this country. And you have NO credibility.
Regular, Its voter fraud and I consider it continued perpetuated terrorism of our country.
“Whether the crooks from the bush the lesser administration are held accountable or not, they have reduced the Republican Party and limited their viability.”
Linda this is the verbage the left spewed for 8 years and it worked. But the left has awakened a sleeping giant and that is the American public who finally realized that the media in conjunction with the left spread an erronious message.
It’s coming back at you. As for Ridge I was never in support of his nomination but he took the job. If he needed to tell the public something he should have before writing his tell all book.
If something bad is happening from my party officials, I’ll address it. But at this point anything you point to is minuscule in comparison to what your party did to this country. And you have NO credibility
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Refresh my memory,where did I ever say I’m republican or for that matter a dem? I donn’t support either party because I believe they both are only out to serve their own intrests, I have lived long enough to see this country under BOTH parties deteriorate and slide to more and more government control.
Isn’t manipulating people with fear the very definition of terrorism?
Pmom the hole your head is must be enormous. BTW I am not your granny but if that makes you feel superior just keep it up. This is a symptom the left seems to share. Their message is weak so they call names.
The economy is showing signs of strengthening as it always does after recessions. What is different with this one is it appears to be a jobless recovery. That is very bad. Over 7 million people will tell you that. We have more announcement right here in Wichita that it isn’t getting better. We passed a budget busting stimulus plan to create ’shovel ready jobs’ and where are they.
Just keep thinking like you are and the 2010 elections will show the swing because the people are looking at Obama and seeing a buffoon who doesn’t have enough sense to come in out of the rain let alone handle a weak economy. And behind him we see Pelosi with her own set of rules.
If it weren’t so harmful to so many people it would be funny to watch.
Ridge’s problem, like Powell’s is that he did not come clean while it could’ve made a difference. Must be that Military indoctrination, couldn’t blow the whistle against a CIC.
The bush administration was the first time that the job recovery did not exceed the jobs lost after a recession. So again, you’re incorrect about the first time. Must be nice not to have to deal with reality.
Guess bush’s plan was to fight terrorism with terror.
Even Cheney must need money since he’s calling bush out too, with his book. Kind of puts the cons in a CONnubdrum with the Dynamic Duo splitting up.
LOL.. okay, hunny, dump your cut on paste on Mr. Axelrod…
What is the gripe about this skilled political communicator?
If Cheney’s pre-election association with Halliburton was alright, is it Axelrod’s pre-appointment employment with Axelrod & Associates that has so-called conservatives in an uproar?
In 2008, when appointed presidential adviser, Axelrod divested of his equity interest in the consulting firm.
Then you have regular, He was the pres. if the A.G’s wouldn’t play ball and prosecute the political opposition, he had every right to fire them.
And, if there was political advantage to manipulating the color code terror alerts like a stop light, that was within bush’s domain.
Cons, they turn the stomachs of patriots.
“The economy is showing signs of strengthening as it always does after recessions.” Unless it slips into a Great Depression v 2.
Most fires burn themselves out, too, but it is wise to have the fire depart come douse your house before it burns to the ground…
Lemme see –
The stock market is up.
Home sales are up.
Car sales are up.
Iraq is winding down.
Afghanistan is finally turning into a mission which might be truly “accomplished.”
A hefty “majority” of 20% of Americans support the Repubic Party.
I’ve gotta ask WE Blog CONs –
When was the last time you were correct about anything?!
Half of President Obama’s erosion of support has come from people such as “BlueJay” and “ksfarmgrrl” who are irate the President even gives you CONs the time of day.
I mean, you’ve got Senator Enzi who refused to accept the Democrats’ acceptance! of proposed amendments to Senator Dodd’s commmittee’s version of health coverage reform. He objected to his own amendments!
And Senator Grassley says he won’t vote for his own bill.
Senator Jim DeMinted says he’s in it only to bring President Obama to “his Waterloo,” forgetting that the Duke of Wellington was on that same battlefield.
“okobserver” offers “substance” to this discussion –
“Pmom the hole your head is must be enormous.”
You left out the part about “vomit-licking dogs.”
That’s at least 8 insults from okoberver today and it is not even noon… sigh….
And I’m not even counting the personal insult to our beloved president.
Define Substance! Like, yuk, what is that substance?
Just wait until Obama wises up and cuts Rahm loose!
What Ridge said in February 2005 (shortly after he resigned):
Ridge reveals clashes on alerts
By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level, Ridge now says.
Ridge, who resigned Feb. 1, said Tuesday that he often disagreed with administration officials who wanted to elevate the threat level to orange, or “high” risk of terrorist attack, but was overruled.
I well remember that, though the gloating con victory and terrorism mania in the country sweeped that one into the memory hole.
So the only thing really (not at all) shocking about Ridge’s revelation is that the Bushies tried to get him to do it to influence the election result, and Ridge put his foot down, thus ensuring his exit.
“Isn’t manipulating people with fear the very definition of terrorism?”
Yes linda, it is.
I’m curious to see the reaction to this latest.
The bush administration was SO corrupt and evil that it even managed to find in a few cons something I at least never thought was there.
It seems that at least a few cons had a tiny nagging shred of conscience.
Christy Todd Whitman could hardly be called friendly to the environment. But when they absolutely wouldn’t even let her enforce basic regulations as head of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) she quit.
Colin Powell led the charge into the Iraq war and was affronted into quitting as well when he found out he’d been pwned.
Tom Ridge is hardly a lone voice.
Now that we know the truth, I’m curious to see if:
ANY of our con posters here will feel badly used and manipulated by people they came here daily to defend.
IF they are offended enough that their dignity will overcome their pride and allow them to admit it.
I’m not holding my breath.
Link:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-10-ridge-alerts_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
At the risk of getting their backs up even as I ask them for apology?
It HAS to be said.
USED. You con bloggers were used like tools to deceive and frighten your fellow Americans. And if you don’t have the sense of dignity enough to be offended by it, I guess I will have to be offended for you.
Even Ashcroft had a modicum of integrity.
As soon as Bush had safely stolen his re-election (see the 8 hour waits in the rain in Ohio, the single state that gave Bush the 2004 election), the “ORANGE ALERTS!” ended.
Surprise, surprise.
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It is still unknown how much taxpayer money the White House provides to Govdelivery for its services.
Blue Jay,
I’m not apologizing for anything but using terror to fight terrorism as has been stated previously is terrorism. Now the question is do I think this country will be attacked again,my answer is yes it will be but I don’t let the government tell me I should be afraid or that they have everything under control. I go about my day and what ever happens happens and there ain’t crap I can do about it
CapnAmerica
Posted August 22, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
As soon as Bush had safely stolen his re-election (see the 8 hour waits in the rain in Ohio, the single state that gave Bush the 2004 election), the “ORANGE ALERTS!” ended.
Surprise, surprise.
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The Capn continues on with the Liberal scare tactic of the great right wing conspiracy.
Of course, the voters in Ohio could have sent in an early ballot, but like most procrastinators and Libs, they wait until the last minute to do something – zero planning and zero common sense.
Correct, Jay.
Don’t forget Former Sec’ry of the Treasury who claimed that Bush planned an invasion of Iraq BEFORE 9-11.
Also, Scott McClelland whose book was called “The Culture of Deception” claimed that Bush used propaganda to whip up war fever, outed Valerie Plame to punish her husband who told the truth, and lied about everything.
Nevermind these people in a position to know–the CONs were right, they have always been right, they have never been wrong. Everything that Bush-Cheney said was true, even when it was proven false.
“We have always been at war with Eastasia. We have never been at war with Eurasia.”
The problem is that it is not illegal for an administration to distort, lie or deceive the American people for their own agenda or desires.
It is a violation of the trust put in them and with the original intent is “a high crimes or misdemeanor“.
In the origins of the concept of that phrase it included when a Government official
or royalty lied to the people.
But under our practice it pertains to violation of the laws.
It should be glaringly apparent to all, we’re dealing with hard core busies here.
busies-bushies
I get rw unsolicited spam in my mailbox almost every day, what’s your point?
The tipping point for Ashcroft was the torture policy.
okobserver
Posted August 22, 2009 at 11:06 am | Permalink
This is a symptom the left seems to share. Their message is weak so they call names.
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Pot, meet Kettle.
I see that XXX appeared on the blog. He must have eaten his daily quota of books.
Phantom
Posted August 22, 2009 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
busies-bushies
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obama-obamatrons
Freebird1971
Posted August 22, 2009 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
Phantom
Posted August 22, 2009 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
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Sorry that was just to easy to pass up
Phant,
“The tipping point for Ashcroft was the torture policy.”
When you’re too vicious for Ashcroft, you oughta know you’ve gone way too far!
These bushies don’t even have the intelligence to feel a smidgen of indignation at being so badly manipulated. But, if you can’t admit you’ve been manipulated, then have you really?
The bushies still cling to their plastic and duct tape. Going to take some serious deprogramming to get their minds right.
Like in Transformers, the Obamatrons have come to planet earth to defeat the evil invaders, the bushatrons. They are easilly identifiable by their bumper stickers, and are known to carry plastic, duct tape, guns and ammo, in their backpacks.
Use caution when approaching, they are armed and dangerous!
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Regular
Posted August 22, 2009 at 12:44 pm | Permalink
I see that XXX appeared on the blog. He must have eaten his daily quota of books.
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I see that Reg is here as usual…as if he had a life otherwise. He must have eaten his daily quota of sh it.
How’s that work, Reg? I mean, you spend all of your time on this blog. Is that really your idea of a life?
It would suck to be you.
Lets see. A turncoat republican writes a dirt-dishing book on their fellow republicans. What is the result?
Fight breaks out among all the major publishing over rights to publish said book.
Poor to modest sales.
Booked on all the Sunday Morning talk shows for months to come.
Causes Chris Matthews to have momentary slight buzz in his leg.
Becomes instant celebrity on the D.C. cocktail party circuit.
Gets nothing but praise from M.S.M.
Retains and even enhances their standing in the rino wing of the republican party.
A turncoat democrat (Zell Miller?) writes a dirt-dishing book on their fellow democrats. What is the result?
Small obscure publishing company makes a bundle after all the large ones refuse to touch it.
Immediately goes to top of best seller list and stays for weeks.
Author goes to #1 on Keith Overbites worst person in the world list.
Is shunned by the D.C. and East Coast elite.
Is drummed out of the democrat party.
Suddenly finds themselves being audited by IRS and the target of investigation by numerous alphabet soup government agencies.
Is attacked relentlessly by the M.S.M.
Hmmm, maybe thats why you only seem to get these kinda books from republicans
Obamatrons: the well-armed civilian security force I heard about? Where do I sign up? Out there at the FEMA Detention Facility on the way to Hutch?
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CapnAmerica
Posted August 22, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
As soon as Bush had safely stolen his re-election (see the 8 hour waits in the rain in Ohio, the single state that gave Bush the 2004 election), the “ORANGE ALERTS!” ended.
Surprise, surprise.
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Yeah, surprise surprise. CapnA tells another whopper.
A turncoat republican writes a dirt-dishing book on their fellow republicans.
Occam’s Razor: the simplest explanation (the conclusion that requires the fewest assumptions) is usually true.
Example–A Kansan with fever and headache and chest congestion probably has a cold or flu rather than malaria or typhus.
ChrisMac wants us to believe that all these Republicans coming forward to say how Team Bush lied are just trying to sell books, i.e., conspiracy theory.
OR
Team Bush really did lie and they are just reporting the obvious.
Which is easier to believe?
Hint: We have always been at war with EastAsia. We have never been at war with Eurasia.
Which jibes with the known facts more?
Saddam Hussein had TONS and TONS of WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION and can deliver them to the east coast of the United States by drone aircraft in as little as 45 minutes. President Bush State of the Union Message 2003
Those people who said we didn’t find WMD weapons labs were wrong. They were wrong. We found two. President Bush
I think there can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein is stockpiling WMD’s. Dick Cheney
We know where they are, said Donald Rumsfailed They’re north, east, west and south of Baghdad somewhat.
No one could have forseen that terrorists would crash a jet into a high rise building, said Condi Rice and Team Bush, except that terrorists had tried to do the exact same thing in France just two years before and suicide terrorists rammed the USS Cole a few months before Bush took office.
And on and on it goes.
Anyone who didn’t believe all this crap the administration was spewing “hated America and wanted the terrorists to win.”
Outlander–
You should call yourself “Anti-America” because you only seem to post “Is not” after I do.
Which is the “whopper?”
That Bush stole the election in Ohio in 2004?
Or that “orange alerts” stopped after they were politically inexpedient . . . i.e., after the election?
Heeeheee, good one, David.
I almost forgot about that one.
Along with “taking all our guns away,” Obama was going to start a national corps (i.e., left-wing militia) to counter-balance the military.
I want to join said national corps militia too.
It’s been almost 8 months now . . . surely they must be around here somewhere . . .
CapnAmerica
Posted August 22, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink
Heeeheee, good one, David.
I almost forgot about that one.
Along with “taking all our guns away,” Obama was going to start a national corps (i.e., left-wing militia) to counter-balance the military.
I want to join said national corps militia too.
It’s been almost 8 months now . . . surely they must be around here somewhere . . .
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Just a few miles north of the detention facility on an unmaintained dirt road. Its actually underground withe the entrance hidden by an abandoned farm house. Watch out for that cone of silence
Capn, don’t you find it ironic that you are posting on the subject of the, ahem… truth,yet have very little regard for it yourself? You kind of shoot your own credibility in the foot when you do that.
For the latest in a long line of examples, you stated, CapnA, that; “As soon as Bush had safely stolen his re-election (see the 8 hour waits in the rain in Ohio, the single state that gave Bush the 2004 election), the “ORANGE ALERTS!” ended”.
The fact is, the level was never raised to orange in the subject period before the election.
As far as posting after you do, well someone needs to point our your willful lies and distortions.
Wow, outlander has a photographic memory for when orange alerts were issued.
I am so impressed!
Here’s what Wikipedia says about “orange alerts”:
The alert level was raised once in 2004, an election year, leading some critics to speculate that the Bush Administration used them for political rather than strictly security reasons.[11][12] Columbia University academic Brigitte L. Nacos has published a study identifying a correlation between increases in terrorism alert levels and Bush’s popularity.[13]
In December 2004, the Homeland Security Advisory Council voted to review the color-coded system. One panel member suggested that it had outlived its usefulness.[14]
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December 2004 is one month after Bush stole re-election.
It had indeed “outlived its usefulness.”
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
There comes a time in ones life when you really have to stop and ask, “why am I doing this”.
Cons ask yourselves “why am I doing this” in regards to defending and denying how utterly wrong and harmful your ideals are.
Ask yourselves: What do I gain from supporting conservative ideals?
Is it that you think liberals will take away your religion? Nope, liberals defend your right to practice any religion you want so long you don’t infringe on others.
Is it that you think you will get poor? Can’t be, studies have shown that people are wealthier under democratic presidents.
I really get the whole slippery slope to socialism, but that’s really not what is going on here. So what is it really?
Don’t you get tired of just always being wrong? Doesn’t it feel bad? Try an AA step instead of always making the same mistakes expecting different outcomes.
1. Cons admit you are powerless and your lives have become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that the Power of honesty within ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of ourselves and others.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to ourselves and to other human beings the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to remove all these defects of character
7. Humbly worked to remove our shortcomings
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through meditation to improve our conscious contact with the good of others, seeking knowledge for how to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to conservatives, and to practice these principles in all our affairs
Ok so I made this a little different, but I think you see the gist.
Political_mama
Posted August 22, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink
There comes a time in ones life when you really have to stop and ask, “why am I doing this”.
Cons ask yourselves “why am I doing this” in regards to defending and denying how utterly wrong and harmful your ideals are.
Ask yourselves: What do I gain from supporting conservative ideals?
Is it that you think liberals will take away your religion? Nope, liberals defend your right to practice any religion you want so long you don’t infringe on others.
Is it that you think you will get poor? Can’t be, studies have shown that people are wealthier under democratic presidents.
I really get the whole slippery slope to socialism, but that’s really not what is going on here. So what is it really?
Don’t you get tired of just always being wrong? Doesn’t it feel bad? Try an AA step instead of always making the same mistakes expecting different outcomes.
1. Cons admit you are powerless and your lives have become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that the Power of honesty within ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of ourselves and others.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to ourselves and to other human beings the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to remove all these defects of character
7. Humbly worked to remove our shortcomings
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through meditation to improve our conscious contact with the good of others, seeking knowledge for how to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to conservatives, and to practice these principles in all our affairs
Ok so I made this a little different, but I think you see the gist.
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From what I read from you,you would do well to follow the steps yourself as would everyone
Free, gladly show me where I am in denial.
Have I not knocked Obama on key items myself?
Don’t you get tired of just always being wrong? Doesn’t it feel bad? Try an AA step instead of always making the same mistakes expecting different outcomes.
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But IMHO you constantly take inventories of others especially thoise who dont’ agree with you
Freebird1971
Posted August 22, 2009 at 3:25 pm | Permalink
Don’t you get tired of just always being wrong? Doesn’t it feel bad? Try an AA step instead of always making the same mistakes expecting different outcomes.
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But IMHO you constantly take inventories of others especially thoise who dont’ agree with you
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kind of gives the impression that your side is never wrong!
Pay no attention to the following sources–
Believe outlander when he says that The fact is, the level was never raised to orange in the subject period before the election.
He doesn’t need any steenking facts!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/20/tom-ridge-alleges-pressured-raise-terror-alert-election/
WASHINGTON — Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge says pressure from fellow Cabinet members to raise the nation’s terror alert level just before the 2004 presidential election helped convince him it was time to quit working for President George W. Bush.
http://www.economics.unimelb.edu.au/SITE/research/workingpapers/wp07/995.pdf
“By far the longest lasting rise to “high risk” in the first term of President George W. Bush was issued on August 1, 2004, three days after John Kerry accepted his presidential nomination at the Democratic National Convention, and lasted until November 10, 2004, eight days after President Bush’s reelection.”
It may give that impression but I’m rather quick to point out when my side is wrong.
I’m not perfect, nobody is. I don’t like being duped.
I’m not perfect, nobody is. I don’t like being duped
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correct but I think there are plenty on both sides that feel like they are being duped,doesn’t mean one is right and the other is wrong.
I disagree, there are very good indicators of what is right and wrong.
Go ahead PMom be hard headed and refuse to consider you arent always right and let me know how that works for you
“Freebird1971″ posted –
“… you constantly take inventories of others especially thoise who dont’ agree with you”
Just whose program are you working?
A good one thank you very much
CapnAmerica
Posted August 22, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink
Pay no attention to the following sources–
Believe outlander when he says that The fact is, the level was never raised to orange in the subject period before the election.
He doesn’t need any steenking facts!
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On really Capn? And if it was “yellow” before the election and Ridge was asked to change it to “orange” then it could hardly have been orange at the time,now could it?
Brother, the contortions you go through when caught in another one of your distortions.
Ridge did NOT raise the threat level before the election, however…
There was a consistent pattern of the threat level being raised at times that seemed suspiciously “opportune” politically.
Ten of these occasions were tracked:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Olbermann_The_Nexus_of_politics_and_0815.html
Well, where have I been wrong yet?
I was wrong that Hillary would win the democratic nomination, but she still should have.
“Political_mama” –
I asked CONs earlier today when, exactly, they’ve not been wrong.
Crickets chirped.
Well PMOM I will just have to agree to disagree with you, and let it go at that I’m off to do something worthwhile,spend time watching my grandson and being grandpa. Have a good afternoon and evening
I think Ridge picked up on the pattern,figured out he was being played, and got the hell out.
Wait, free, I want to know what you think I’m wrong about.
Have fun with the grandkids. Aren’t you too young for grandkids?
outlander argues that if it was “yellow” before the election and Ridge was asked to change it to “orange” then it could hardly have been orange at the time,now could it?
Uh . . . I think I see why you’re a CON now, outlander.
Say hello to the nice lady that brings you soup and enjoy the group sing there at the home.
Title should be: Dems Right About Terrorist Warnings