Carbon capture key but remains elusive

coalplant25The federal stimulus devoted $2.4 billion to pilot projects aimed at capturing carbon dioxide emissions and making coal-fired power plants “cleaner.” Such plants account for a third of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions. “Yet carbon capture and storage remains the elusive holy grail of the coal industry, an idea that could contain the damage inflicted by coal-burning power plants but a technology that remains expensive, energy intensive and largely untested,” a Washington Post article noted. “Even optimists say it will not be commercially available for another six to 10 years. Pessimists say it might take much longer, and may never be ready for widespread use without attaching a punishingly high price to carbon.”

18 Comments

  1. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    What about all those television commercials about “Clean Coal?”

    Who ever heard of business lying to promote a political agenda?

  2. JWink
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Carbon emissions is only one of the problems from coal fired power plants. Another even more serious problem, especially in western Kansas, is the amount of underground aquifer drinking water drawn out by these water gulping power plants. The Ogallala aquifer is being drawn down dangerously low and power plants will finish the aquifer off.

    Everybody ready to drink regurgitated sewage treatment effluent from our polluted rivers?

  3. ANTI
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Everybody ready to drink regurgitated sewage treatment effluent from our polluted rivers?
    =============================================

    Mmmmmmmm….Taste a bit nutty.

  4. Phantom
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Thought Sunflower had all those pesky issues solved.

  5. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Storage of the CO2 gas may also be an unsolvable problem, as explained in the Wa Po article — where, costs, legal issues, etc.

  6. Regular
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    (The Waxman-Markey bill would give the first six gigawatts of plants — equal to around seven average-sized plants — a $90 per ton subsidy in the form of free allowances.)

    Translated, that means you, the taxpayer will be paying power companies that use coal, a subsidy.

    Because of the way, state energy commissions are aligned and configured, there will also be an adjustment cost in your monthly bill for electric bill to cover the (cough) administrative costs of any carbon capture passed directly to the consumer.

    So, the Democratic Congress will have stuck every consumer in the United States with two more bills that you really didn’t want, just to cover the co2 sequestration bill.

    Thanks Dems

  7. bth
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    I have attended a few technical conferences on carbon capture and remain VERY skeptical. It still seems to be that the reservoir will leak and the CO2 will be released.

    The only answers IMO are (a) reduce CO2 production or (b) true carbon sequestration via photosynthesis.

    According to a Senator Steve Morris (R-Hugoton) he knows everything needed to do the latter. He should demonstrate that at the existing Sunflower plant.

  8. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    And the possibility of reservoir leaks is an important legal liability (and financial) issue for a long time into the future.

  9. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    But you CONs promised us all those problems were solved with “Clean Coal” technology.

    Didn’t you?

    Were you lying then or are you lying now?

  10. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk posted August 17, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Were you lying then or are you lying now?
    ————–
    Both. . . they’re lying all the time.

  11. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Like Harry Truman said about Nixon –

    “He lies even when he doesn’t have to, just to keep his hand in the game.”

  12. ANTI
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Carbon capture key but remains elusive
    =======================================

    I suggest hiring a Navajo tracker and purchasing a large net…maybe some snares, you’ll catch that SOB!

  13. outlander
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    #
    Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    But you CONs promised us all those problems were solved with “Clean Coal” technology.

    ————

    Now Monkey, give credit where credit is due.

    I believe that was the Obama

    In Pennsylvania

    During the campaign.

  14. outlander
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    In fact, here is the Obama now, promoting that Clean Coal technology. Yes we can! Woo hoo!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GehK7Q_QxPc

  15. ANTI
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    As well as being a Marxist, Obama is also a promoter of Clean Coal.

    I’ll bet that singe the feathers off of Monkey’s ass.

  16. Monkeyhawk
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Au, contraire

    If “Clean Coal” technology actually exists, I’m all for it. So is President Obama.

    So where is it?

    You CONs promised.

    Produce the goods or admit you’ve been lying all this time.

    The coal industry says it’s here and now.

    Now prove it.

  17. ANTI
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    So where is it?
    ========================

    In the ground.

  18. cosmos_originally
    Posted August 17, 2009 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    outlander,

    Has Obama claimed that there is CCS technology that is usable on a large scale? No.