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		<title>By: Rage</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613756</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in? &lt;/i&gt;

Afrikkaner.

Seems I missed a pretty good thread, the usual food fights notwithstanding. Oh well.</description>
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<p>Afrikkaner.</p>
<p>Seems I missed a pretty good thread, the usual food fights notwithstanding. Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMWalker
Posted June 30, 2009 at 7:04 am &#124; Permalink
So, jim johnson, how about writing to your elected representatives and demanding they do something about it. You know, like Brownback and Tiahrt, those stalwarts of conservative politics. Or does your interest in politics stop at actually doing something positive about it? I suspect the latter, since I can’t recall reading anything of a positive nature from you at all. You are, however, a master of cut and paste, as long as its intent is negative in nature. Seems to be all you neocons are capable of anymore.

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JMWalker
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:44 pm &#124; Permalink
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JimJohnson
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I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?
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Stupid.

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JM, is this one of your POSITIVE posts?  

Still waiting for that example showing one of your POSITIVE UPLIFTING posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMWalker<br />
Posted June 30, 2009 at 7:04 am | Permalink<br />
So, jim johnson, how about writing to your elected representatives and demanding they do something about it. You know, like Brownback and Tiahrt, those stalwarts of conservative politics. Or does your interest in politics stop at actually doing something positive about it? I suspect the latter, since I can’t recall reading anything of a positive nature from you at all. You are, however, a master of cut and paste, as long as its intent is negative in nature. Seems to be all you neocons are capable of anymore.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>JMWalker<br />
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:44 pm | Permalink<br />
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JimJohnson<br />
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink</p>
<p>I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?<br />
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Stupid.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>JM, is this one of your POSITIVE posts?  </p>
<p>Still waiting for that example showing one of your POSITIVE UPLIFTING posts.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:39 pm &#124; Permalink
JimJohnson
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm &#124; Permalink
If I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?
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Only a race baiter and an idiot would ask such a question… 

South Africa is a NATION So you would be of South African descent… such as a German would be 

White would be your identified race. 

&lt;b&gt;I thought White was a color?

If you are also an American, then you are a citizen of the USA… and you could classify yourself as a South African American… if you’re that hung up on your national origin…

&lt;b&gt;Why wouldn&#039;t I be an African American?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas<br />
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JimJohnson<br />
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink<br />
If I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?<br />
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<p>Only a race baiter and an idiot would ask such a question… </p>
<p>South Africa is a NATION So you would be of South African descent… such as a German would be </p>
<p>White would be your identified race. </p>
<p><b>I thought White was a color?</p>
<p>If you are also an American, then you are a citizen of the USA… and you could classify yourself as a South African American… if you’re that hung up on your national origin…</p>
<p></b><b>Why wouldn&#8217;t I be an African American?</b></p>
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		<title>By: GMC70</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s finish this thought, while I have time over lunch - 

It should be noted that this issue was decided NOT on constitutional grounds, but on statutory grounds - specifically, Title VII. In effect, the majority said that fear of lawsuit, unless there is a realistic basis in law to support the plaintiff’s claims, is not justification to discriminate under Title VII. 

From the decision: 
&lt;em&gt;&quot;This action presents two provisions of Title VII to be interpreted and reconciled, with few, if any, precedents in the courts of appeals discussing the issue. Depending on the resolution of the statutory claim, a fundamental constitutional question could also arise. We found it prudent and appropriate to grant certiorari. 555 U. S. ___ (2009). We now reverse.&quot;

The majority&#039;s final paragraph:
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Petitioners are entitled to summary judgment on their Title VII claim, and we therefore need not decide the underlying constitutional question. The judgment of the Court of Appeals is reversed, and the cases are remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.&quot;
 

The SCOTUS specifically did NOT decide this on constitutional grounds.  Scalia&#039;s concurrence notes that the consititutional issue - &quot;affirmative action&quot; programs running up against the clear language of the 14th amendment - was put off for another day.

From Scalia:
&lt;em&gt;&quot;I join the Court’s opinion in full, but write separately to observe that its resolution of this dispute merely postpones the evil day on which the Court will have to confrontthe question: Whether, or to what extent, are the disparate-impact provisions of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 consistent with the Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection? The question is not an easy one. See generally Primus, Equal Protection and Disparate Impact:Round Three, 117 Harv. L. Rev. 493 (2003).

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The difficulty is this: Whether or not Title VII’s disparate-treatment provisions forbid “remedial” race-based actions when a disparate-impact violation would not otherwise result—the question resolved by the Court today—it is clear that Title VII not only permits but affirmatively requires such actions when a disparate-impact violation would otherwise result. See ante, at 20–21. But if the Federal Government is prohibited from discriminating on the basis of race, Bolling v. Sharpe, 347 U. S. 497, 500 (1954), then surely it is also prohibited from enacting laws mandating that third parties—e.g., employers, whether private, State, or municipal—discriminate on the basis of race. See Buchanan v. Warley, 245 U. S. 60, 78–82 (1917).As the facts of these cases illustrate, Title VII’s disparate-impact provisions place a racial thumb on the scales, often requiring employers to evaluate the racial outcomes oftheir policies, and to make decisions based on (because of) those racial outcomes. That type of racial decisionmaking is, as the Court explains, discriminatory. See ante, at 19; Personnel Administrator of Mass. v. Feeney, 442 U. S. 256, 279 (1979).&quot;

And there is little dispute that New Haven did in fact discriminate. As the opinion notes, there is no basis in the record to support New Haven’s claim that the testing procedure was invalid.

Not an easy call, but the right one.


MH - while much of the criticism of &quot;judicial activism&quot; is politically motivated, in fact there is such a thing, largely by courts mandating remedies and &quot;creating&quot; rights not envisioned by legislatures or the constitution.  And yes, at times, conservative majorities do it too.  But it&#039;s not nearly as simplistic as you make it out to be, nor is the Court&#039;s &quot;liberal/conservative&quot; divide nearly as predictable or neat as often assumed.  This case, however, is most certainly NOT one of &quot;judicial activism.&quot;  It involved application of a statute - Title VII - to a particular set of facts.  That is exactly what courts do on a regular basis.  

If you assert otherwise, tell me in what way this court was particularly &quot;activist?&quot;  Or is this just today&#039;s parrotted talking point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s finish this thought, while I have time over lunch &#8211; </p>
<p>It should be noted that this issue was decided NOT on constitutional grounds, but on statutory grounds &#8211; specifically, Title VII. In effect, the majority said that fear of lawsuit, unless there is a realistic basis in law to support the plaintiff’s claims, is not justification to discriminate under Title VII. </p>
<p>From the decision:<br />
<em>&#8220;This action presents two provisions of Title VII to be interpreted and reconciled, with few, if any, precedents in the courts of appeals discussing the issue. Depending on the resolution of the statutory claim, a fundamental constitutional question could also arise. We found it prudent and appropriate to grant certiorari. 555 U. S. ___ (2009). We now reverse.&#8221;</p>
<p>The majority&#8217;s final paragraph:<br />
</em><em>&#8220;Petitioners are entitled to summary judgment on their Title VII claim, and we therefore need not decide the underlying constitutional question. The judgment of the Court of Appeals is reversed, and the cases are remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.&#8221;</p>
<p>The SCOTUS specifically did NOT decide this on constitutional grounds.  Scalia&#8217;s concurrence notes that the consititutional issue &#8211; &#8220;affirmative action&#8221; programs running up against the clear language of the 14th amendment &#8211; was put off for another day.</p>
<p>From Scalia:<br />
</em><em>&#8220;I join the Court’s opinion in full, but write separately to observe that its resolution of this dispute merely postpones the evil day on which the Court will have to confrontthe question: Whether, or to what extent, are the disparate-impact provisions of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 consistent with the Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection? The question is not an easy one. See generally Primus, Equal Protection and Disparate Impact:Round Three, 117 Harv. L. Rev. 493 (2003).</p>
<p></em><em>&#8220;The difficulty is this: Whether or not Title VII’s disparate-treatment provisions forbid “remedial” race-based actions when a disparate-impact violation would not otherwise result—the question resolved by the Court today—it is clear that Title VII not only permits but affirmatively requires such actions when a disparate-impact violation would otherwise result. See ante, at 20–21. But if the Federal Government is prohibited from discriminating on the basis of race, Bolling v. Sharpe, 347 U. S. 497, 500 (1954), then surely it is also prohibited from enacting laws mandating that third parties—e.g., employers, whether private, State, or municipal—discriminate on the basis of race. See Buchanan v. Warley, 245 U. S. 60, 78–82 (1917).As the facts of these cases illustrate, Title VII’s disparate-impact provisions place a racial thumb on the scales, often requiring employers to evaluate the racial outcomes oftheir policies, and to make decisions based on (because of) those racial outcomes. That type of racial decisionmaking is, as the Court explains, discriminatory. See ante, at 19; Personnel Administrator of Mass. v. Feeney, 442 U. S. 256, 279 (1979).&#8221;</p>
<p>And there is little dispute that New Haven did in fact discriminate. As the opinion notes, there is no basis in the record to support New Haven’s claim that the testing procedure was invalid.</p>
<p>Not an easy call, but the right one.</p>
<p>MH &#8211; while much of the criticism of &#8220;judicial activism&#8221; is politically motivated, in fact there is such a thing, largely by courts mandating remedies and &#8220;creating&#8221; rights not envisioned by legislatures or the constitution.  And yes, at times, conservative majorities do it too.  But it&#8217;s not nearly as simplistic as you make it out to be, nor is the Court&#8217;s &#8220;liberal/conservative&#8221; divide nearly as predictable or neat as often assumed.  This case, however, is most certainly NOT one of &#8220;judicial activism.&#8221;  It involved application of a statute &#8211; Title VII &#8211; to a particular set of facts.  That is exactly what courts do on a regular basis.  </p>
<p>If you assert otherwise, tell me in what way this court was particularly &#8220;activist?&#8221;  Or is this just today&#8217;s parrotted talking point?</em></p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks  GMC...  I  was  wondering  how  it  would  have  been  a  constitutional  ruling...  That  helps  --  knowing  it is  a  Title VII  ruling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks  GMC&#8230;  I  was  wondering  how  it  would  have  been  a  constitutional  ruling&#8230;  That  helps  &#8212;  knowing  it is  a  Title VII  ruling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JMWalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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JimJohnson
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm &#124; Permalink

I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?
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Stupid.</description>
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JimJohnson<br />
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<p>I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?<br />
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Stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: GMC70</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And BTW folks - it should be noted that this issue was decided NOT on constitutional grounds, but on statutory grounds - specifically, Title VII.  In effect, the majority said that fear of lawsuit, unless there is a realistic basis in law to support the plaintiff&#039;s claims, is not justification to discriminate under Title VII. 

The SCOTUS

And there is little dispute that New Haven did in fact discriminate.  As the opinion notes, there is no basis in the record to support New Haven&#039;s claim that the testing procedure was invalid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And BTW folks &#8211; it should be noted that this issue was decided NOT on constitutional grounds, but on statutory grounds &#8211; specifically, Title VII.  In effect, the majority said that fear of lawsuit, unless there is a realistic basis in law to support the plaintiff&#8217;s claims, is not justification to discriminate under Title VII. </p>
<p>The SCOTUS</p>
<p>And there is little dispute that New Haven did in fact discriminate.  As the opinion notes, there is no basis in the record to support New Haven&#8217;s claim that the testing procedure was invalid.</p>
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		<title>By: GMC70</title>
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		<description>And BTW folks - it should be noted that this issue was decided NOT on constitutional grounds, but on statutory grounds - specifically, Title VII.  In effect, the majority said that fear of lawsuit, unless there is a realistic basis in law to support the plaintiff&#039;s claims, is not justification to discriminate under Title VII. 

The SCOTUS

And there is little dispute that New Haven did in fact discriminate.  As the opinion notes, there is no basis in the record to support New Haven&#039;s claim that the testing procedure was invalid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And BTW folks &#8211; it should be noted that this issue was decided NOT on constitutional grounds, but on statutory grounds &#8211; specifically, Title VII.  In effect, the majority said that fear of lawsuit, unless there is a realistic basis in law to support the plaintiff&#8217;s claims, is not justification to discriminate under Title VII. </p>
<p>The SCOTUS</p>
<p>And there is little dispute that New Haven did in fact discriminate.  As the opinion notes, there is no basis in the record to support New Haven&#8217;s claim that the testing procedure was invalid.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JimJohnson
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm &#124; Permalink
If I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?
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Only a  race  baiter and an idiot  would ask such a question...  

South Africa  is  a  NATION  So you  would be of South African descent...  such  as  a  German would be 

White  would  be  your  identified  race.  

If  you  are  also  an  American,  then  you  are  a  citizen  of  the  USA...  and  you  could  classify  yourself  as  a  South African American...  if  you&#039;re  that  hung up  on  your  national  origin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimJohnson<br />
Posted July 1, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink<br />
If I’m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?<br />
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<p>Only a  race  baiter and an idiot  would ask such a question&#8230;  </p>
<p>South Africa  is  a  NATION  So you  would be of South African descent&#8230;  such  as  a  German would be </p>
<p>White  would  be  your  identified  race.  </p>
<p>If  you  are  also  an  American,  then  you  are  a  citizen  of  the  USA&#8230;  and  you  could  classify  yourself  as  a  South African American&#8230;  if  you&#8217;re  that  hung up  on  your  national  origin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.</description>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
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		<description>Translation please.....</description>
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		<title>By: someguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing that Sotomayor was part of a unanimous decision who based their decision of Supreme Court precedent I don’t see how any reasonable person could criticize her for her decision.

But I don’t expect neo-cons to be reasonable.


The state makes an exam has it certified by a third party. They gives the exam, but because no blacks passed the test, you think it is okay to not promote the people that did pass. Then for the courts to only come to a 5-4 decision, and then say that race had nothing to do with it. Just how stupid are you?

Justice is blind, but only when it works in your favor, is that it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing that Sotomayor was part of a unanimous decision who based their decision of Supreme Court precedent I don’t see how any reasonable person could criticize her for her decision.</p>
<p>But I don’t expect neo-cons to be reasonable.</p>
<p>The state makes an exam has it certified by a third party. They gives the exam, but because no blacks passed the test, you think it is okay to not promote the people that did pass. Then for the courts to only come to a 5-4 decision, and then say that race had nothing to do with it. Just how stupid are you?</p>
<p>Justice is blind, but only when it works in your favor, is that it?</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lookin forward to seeing Chas define Race and Multi-Racial, since he throws those terms around as if everyone knows.</description>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;m white and from South African decent, which category am I in?</description>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
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		<description>Jed
Posted July 1, 2009 at 11:54 am &#124; Permalink
Jimbo,
“… please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.”

Given that race has no biological basis, it is strictly a social construct invented for the purpose of discrimination and/or economic exploitation. Skin color has no more relevance to anything but fashion than the color of one’s car or shirt does.
=========================

Agree with you Jed, and with Regular on this point.

Chas seems to think there is some meaningful definition of Race though.  (See his 9:59 and 11:58 posts)</description>
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Posted July 1, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink<br />
Jimbo,<br />
“… please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.”</p>
<p>Given that race has no biological basis, it is strictly a social construct invented for the purpose of discrimination and/or economic exploitation. Skin color has no more relevance to anything but fashion than the color of one’s car or shirt does.<br />
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<p>Agree with you Jed, and with Regular on this point.</p>
<p>Chas seems to think there is some meaningful definition of Race though.  (See his 9:59 and 11:58 posts)</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613455</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that your FINAL answer at 11:58 Chas?

I knew you&#039;d resort to Wiki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that your FINAL answer at 11:58 Chas?</p>
<p>I knew you&#8217;d resort to Wiki.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613452</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas
Posted July 1, 2009 at 9:59 am &#124; Permalink
“I think she’s slightly racists against white people. Although, I’m sure she’s trying to wrangle it in. In fact, it seems like a lot of Latinos, and Mexicans, hate white people.” [Barnie]

Hmmmm… That would be strange, Barnie, since Latino’s and Mexicans, and Sotomayor… ARE in fact, white people(Caucasian). 

Want to try again on your own racial biases??

———————————–

Chas, please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.

Thanking you in advance. I look forward to your eloquent answer, as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas<br />
Posted July 1, 2009 at 9:59 am | Permalink<br />
“I think she’s slightly racists against white people. Although, I’m sure she’s trying to wrangle it in. In fact, it seems like a lot of Latinos, and Mexicans, hate white people.” [Barnie]</p>
<p>Hmmmm… That would be strange, Barnie, since Latino’s and Mexicans, and Sotomayor… ARE in fact, white people(Caucasian). </p>
<p>Want to try again on your own racial biases??</p>
<p>———————————–</p>
<p>Chas, please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.</p>
<p>Thanking you in advance. I look forward to your eloquent answer, as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613449</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an introduction to a more detailed population profile (see references below), the Census Bureau highlighted the following facts about U.S population dynamics:

75.1% of respondents said they were White or Caucasian and no other race; 
21.36% (60 million Americans) are of German descent; German Americans 
12.3% are of Black or African American descent; 
Hispanics — who may belong to any race — accounted for 12.5% of the U.S. population, up from 9% in 1990; 
3.6% of respondents are Asian; 
2.4% of respondents are multiracial (2 or more races). The 2000 Census was the first time survey options for multiracial Americans were provided. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Census

Personally,  I  am not  sure  exactly  why  the  Census  report  lists  &quot;German Americans&quot;  except as a  line of national descent/origin.  Since German Americans could be of  any  race...  It  would  be interesting  to  see  a  further  breakdown  on  that one...  

Please  note:  Hispanics  can  be of  any &quot;RACE&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an introduction to a more detailed population profile (see references below), the Census Bureau highlighted the following facts about U.S population dynamics:</p>
<p>75.1% of respondents said they were White or Caucasian and no other race;<br />
21.36% (60 million Americans) are of German descent; German Americans<br />
12.3% are of Black or African American descent;<br />
Hispanics — who may belong to any race — accounted for 12.5% of the U.S. population, up from 9% in 1990;<br />
3.6% of respondents are Asian;<br />
2.4% of respondents are multiracial (2 or more races). The 2000 Census was the first time survey options for multiracial Americans were provided. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Census" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_Census</a></p>
<p>Personally,  I  am not  sure  exactly  why  the  Census  report  lists  &#8220;German Americans&#8221;  except as a  line of national descent/origin.  Since German Americans could be of  any  race&#8230;  It  would  be interesting  to  see  a  further  breakdown  on  that one&#8230;  </p>
<p>Please  note:  Hispanics  can  be of  any &#8220;RACE&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613448</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimbo,
&quot;... please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.&quot;

Given that race has no biological basis, it is strictly a social construct invented for the purpose of discrimination and/or economic exploitation. Skin color has no more relevance to anything but fashion than the color of one&#039;s car or shirt does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo,<br />
&#8220;&#8230; please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given that race has no biological basis, it is strictly a social construct invented for the purpose of discrimination and/or economic exploitation. Skin color has no more relevance to anything but fashion than the color of one&#8217;s car or shirt does.</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613417</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#
Chas
Posted July 1, 2009 at 10:01 am &#124; Permalink

The NYT isnt MSM?? Quick, call El Rushbo Hannity O’Reilly… They need to know this…
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You didn&#039;t hear about the case that Scalia and Thomas ruled on and sided with the Liberal Justices because it was buried in a NYT article, including this one.

The MSM hates to report cooperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<br />
Chas<br />
Posted July 1, 2009 at 10:01 am | Permalink</p>
<p>The NYT isnt MSM?? Quick, call El Rushbo Hannity O’Reilly… They need to know this…<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
You didn&#8217;t hear about the case that Scalia and Thomas ruled on and sided with the Liberal Justices because it was buried in a NYT article, including this one.</p>
<p>The MSM hates to report cooperation.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613415</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkeyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The SCOTUS decision saw the CON majority making law instead of interpreting the Constitution.  

The appellate court, with Sotomayor part of a unanimous decision, specifically did &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; make law, but relied on established SCOTUS precedent.  

Sam (the Sham) Brownback and Patsy Roberts&#039; objecting to &quot;activist&quot; judges is audacious hypocrisy in this case.  And, since Justice Souter voted to uphold the appellate court&#039;s decision, the consequences of Sotomayor replacing is moot.  

Perhaps &quot;HLP&quot; can shift this thread to something more relevant, like how big Sonia&#039;s ass is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SCOTUS decision saw the CON majority making law instead of interpreting the Constitution.  </p>
<p>The appellate court, with Sotomayor part of a unanimous decision, specifically did <i>not</i> make law, but relied on established SCOTUS precedent.  </p>
<p>Sam (the Sham) Brownback and Patsy Roberts&#8217; objecting to &#8220;activist&#8221; judges is audacious hypocrisy in this case.  And, since Justice Souter voted to uphold the appellate court&#8217;s decision, the consequences of Sotomayor replacing is moot.  </p>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;HLP&#8221; can shift this thread to something more relevant, like how big Sonia&#8217;s ass is.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613414</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas
Posted July 1, 2009 at 9:59 am &#124; Permalink
“I think she’s slightly racists against white people. Although, I’m sure she’s trying to wrangle it in. In fact, it seems like a lot of Latinos, and Mexicans, hate white people.” [Barnie]

Hmmmm… That would be strange, Barnie, since Latino’s and Mexicans, and Sotomayor… ARE in fact, white people(Caucasian). 

Want to try again on your own racial biases??

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Chas, please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.

Thanking you in advance.  I look forward to your eloquent answer, as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas<br />
Posted July 1, 2009 at 9:59 am | Permalink<br />
“I think she’s slightly racists against white people. Although, I’m sure she’s trying to wrangle it in. In fact, it seems like a lot of Latinos, and Mexicans, hate white people.” [Barnie]</p>
<p>Hmmmm… That would be strange, Barnie, since Latino’s and Mexicans, and Sotomayor… ARE in fact, white people(Caucasian). </p>
<p>Want to try again on your own racial biases??</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Chas, please clarify your view on the difference between Skin Color and Race.</p>
<p>Thanking you in advance.  I look forward to your eloquent answer, as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613413</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sotomayor the racist is a perfect choice.

Perfect for Obama.

The Dems have the majority - Slam Dunk.

-Court Cases should be decided by skin color and sex.

-Supreme Court judges should be selected by skin color and sex.

-And President&#039;s should be selected by skin color and sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sotomayor the racist is a perfect choice.</p>
<p>Perfect for Obama.</p>
<p>The Dems have the majority &#8211; Slam Dunk.</p>
<p>-Court Cases should be decided by skin color and sex.</p>
<p>-Supreme Court judges should be selected by skin color and sex.</p>
<p>-And President&#8217;s should be selected by skin color and sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613410</link>
		<dc:creator>Barnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas, can you tell me how they are white people.  In all the forms people have fill out.  There is Caucasian, non-Hispanic, and Hispanic.  That tells me otherwise, when government forms, differentiate between Caucasian, and Hispanic. 

I think your confused,  Spanish people, from Spain, are Caucasian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas, can you tell me how they are white people.  In all the forms people have fill out.  There is Caucasian, non-Hispanic, and Hispanic.  That tells me otherwise, when government forms, differentiate between Caucasian, and Hispanic. </p>
<p>I think your confused,  Spanish people, from Spain, are Caucasian.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/sotomayor-and-the-firefighters/#comment-613402</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  agree  with  GMC...  Ms. Sotomayor&#039;s ruling on  this  matter  does  not  for  a  basis  for  disqualifying  her  from  the  SCOTUS...  Republicans  should  focus on  other  matters...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  agree  with  GMC&#8230;  Ms. Sotomayor&#8217;s ruling on  this  matter  does  not  for  a  basis  for  disqualifying  her  from  the  SCOTUS&#8230;  Republicans  should  focus on  other  matters&#8230;</p>
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