“According to the Census Bureau’s Statistical Abstract, states that went Republican in November accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest divorce rates in 2006,” columnist Charles Blow wrote. “. . . According to 2006 data from the Guttmacher Institute, those red states accounted for eight of the 10 states with the highest teenage birthrates. And, a study titled ‘Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?’. . . found that subscriptions to online pornography sites were ‘more prevalent in states where surveys indicate conservative positions on religion, gender roles, and sexuality’ and in states where more people agree that ‘I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage.’”
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So what did you expect? The releationship between Christians and sin is often an affair.
I don’t know how people are set on the path that makes them think of their own biology as “dirty,” or “against God’s will,” but from my perspective, this basic refusal to accept ourselves as we are is at the root of many of our problems. Lighten up!
Or why, Oh why, should such a spiritual being as ourselves have to defecate? It just doesn’t seem fair.
`I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage.’
Well, after all, partner-marriages which are rooted in view that both sides contribute equally are only recent phenomenon.
LOL, if we never have the need to defecate, would that make a certain “abominable” act acceptable then?
“Or why, Oh why, should such a spiritual being as ourselves have to defecate? It just doesn’t seem fair.”—Beber
If we didn’t defecate, people like you wouldn’t exist Beber.
What’s a matter now Brownlee? Feeling a little insecure this morning and needing to take a shot at what you feel causes that. Ha!
What an asinine subject for a thread.
And look who you sites, the The Guttmacher Institute, which “in 1968 was founded as the “Center for Family Planning Program Development”, a semi-autonomous division of The Planned Parenthood Federation of America.”
In other words….zero credability.
My college stats instructor told me the first day of class that; “if you remember nothing more than this about statistics, you will have gotten what you need out of it. They lie”. And so do columnists who take anomalies and draw unfounded conclusions and generalizations.
For instance, in this case, there is no mention of the political makeup of the individuals involved. States are not monolithic. But if you want to find out about “morality” you don’t look at states. You look at people. You ask people. What is the rate of divorce among Democrats vs Republicans? What is the rate of abortions, liberal vs conservative? Those might be significant statistics if you. like Mr. Blow, are into divisive stupidity. But unless you know that information, by state, conclusions on a statewide basis are meaningless.
And BTW, to use teenage pregnancy as a measure of morality is just stupid. Maybe of parenting skills, but it’s a little hard to accuse a teenage girl of being a hypocrite.
So once again, the NYT, the once proud gray lady, resorts to division and unsupportable statistical claims as it moves further and further into la la land.
Even anti-choice groups cite the Guttmacher Institute, they are the leading researchers for this area. But you know facts always have a liberal bias.
Kindof like showing what total hypocrites the red state residents are.
The best argument I heard recently about the red state statistics was ‘well the liberals live in those states too, maybe they just divorce twice as often’. Yeah.
So Outlander if there was a study that showed more terrorists lived in Afghanistan, that wouldn’t mean a thing right?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
I love the argument here that one makes…well just because they SAY they’re born again Christians doesn’t mean they are…..wow.
“What is the rate of divorce among Democrats vs Republicans?”
Interesting question …
Limbaugh – 3
McCain – 1
Gingrich – 3
Reagan – 1
Clinton – 0
Obama – 0
Carter – 0
I think this is what happens, when people have values forced down their throats as children. Instead of learning values on their own through life experiences.
I think people have a natural reaction to rebel, against authority. So kids that don’t have values forcefully shoved down their throats don’t have anything to rebel against. While kids that grow up, with strict religious values and beliefs, have a whole system they tend to rebel against, by acting out.
Plus, people who grow up with strict religious values, usually think God will forgive them for all their sins, if they repent. So maybe that is like a free pass, for them to commit a lot of sins, because they won’t feel so guilty after they repent.
Where people who don’t grow up with that belief, know that their is a limit, that people will not forgive you for you’re sins. So they act in accordance to what is more socially acceptable because they know if they rub too many people the wrong way, or live an unsavory lifestyle, people will abandon them, or admonish them. Their also probably a little better at hiding their sins, because simply telling someone wouldn’t make them feel personally acquitted for their questionable acts.
I also imagine, trying to abide by stict religious code, puts a lot of pressure on people, well and like I said they rebel. Who wants to miss out on life, for feeling guilty because of a religious code. They probably rebel a little too the extreme though. It seems kind of like a vicious circle.
Guilt, rebelling, and repenting.
Guilt, rebelling, and repenting.
or did I get that wrong, maybe it’s Rebelling, Guilt, and Repenting. I’m sure it’s all interchangeable.
Outlander was on the right track about statistics.
Statistics compiled by the CDC are based on marriage per population (X per 1000 of population). This correlation is good for trends, but doesn’t indicate a true picture of what is actually occurring.
An better correlation would be the number of marriages compared to the number of divorces.
For example, in comparing Kansas to New York, I found that 47 percent of Kansas that marry end up in divorce. In New York, 50 percent of New Yorkers that marry end up getting a divorce.
That data from 2003 at:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_22.pdf
Another thing not considered is the statistic of how many marry in a state stay in that state.
Two extreme examples are Hawaii and Nevada. Many people go their to marry, but don’t stay to set up a residence.
Also, not included in the marriage data are young people from heavily populated education centers located in the New England area of the United States. Many young people marry near colleges and universities, but later move away to different regions or states where the data is not included in the respective states compilation of marriage/divorce data.
There appears after a quick examination to be no correlation between political party and divorce rates. The split, if one cares to do the math is split about fifty-fifty between blue and red states. A statistical dead heat that ends up being meaningless.
So there you have it, another propaganda piece from the party of duh Libs shot down in flames.
Do you see the correlation between ‘promise ring’ b.c. states and teen pregnancy?
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Phantom
Posted July 9, 2009 at 9:20 am | Permalink
Do you see the correlation between ‘promise ring’ b.c. states and teen pregnancy?
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I only looked at divorce data. Be my guest in compiling the other data.
I imagine that Kansas would be very high on abortion rates if the statisticians used the same population per 1000 trend base. Why? Because Kansas was an abortion center in which people traveled to, but didn’t necessarily live in the state.
Ah yes….
A thread meant to bash Conservatives and Republicans over “family values” based on nothing more than a complete lack of understanding on the difference between causal and coincidental relationships where the liberals will make wild speculative comments based on no real facts or evidence to further their lying attacks on the right.
Just another day on the WE Blog…
If Phillip is busy digging up statistics showing that blue staters are more likely to avoid pornography and avoid divorces, then he therefore considers family values something important and worthy of political discussion.
As a result, Phillip is no different then the “family values” camp that he is trying to denigrate with these maligned statistics and vaguely based conclusions.
What do you call a person who attacks the mere mention of family values ideals by the Republican Party and then brags over statistics showing that states of their opposing political party apparently has more family values?
A hypocrite.
I think this thread shows why the Republican party is going to very quickly rebound from their current problems: As a group, the GOP is able to learn and make adjustments; NOT!
Yeah, Nathan, true. But you gotta love the threads, where they pit cons and libs against each other. Or Pubs and Dems. Be pretty boring in here, if they didn’t.
Dem Pubs Con Libs
These kinds of surveys are not conducted by political interests. They’re often co-opted by politicians, journalists, theologians, and CONs.
This obviously was a marketing survey. Y’know, capitalism.
I’ve seen hundreds of them that’ll tell you the time to buy cheap radio time for Taco Bell in Des Moines in on the classic rock station just after the strip joints close.
Now, there may be a lot of Baptists or Lutherans in Des Moines but marketing stats indicate they’r outnumbered by slacker/stoner 19-21-year-olds. At least at 2 in the morning.
I suspect mega-churches with their “everybody’s-a-sinner” and “God’ll-forgive-you” and “Jesus died for your sins!” (So if we don’t sin, he died in vain? Help me out with that, CONs.) are responsible for more divorces than any gay pride parade.
But if you’re in the porno business, and a huge chunk of your business comes from Utah, you notice.
Yeah, “Nathaniel,” correlation does not prove causation.
But correlation does imply, y’know, correlation.
Red State = highest divorce rates in 2006
Blue State = Highest co-habitant rate. (couples not getting married monkeyspunk)
Red State = highest teenage birthrates.
Blue State = highest teenage abortion rate.
Red State = most “online adult entertainment”
Blue State = most prostitution, adult movie houses and porno stores.
there, i fixed it.
“biased1″ –
Interesting, though, how adult movie houses and porno stores are a dying industry. The real money is made on-line… in red states.
Blame it on the economy?
How else could someone like, say, “Nathaniel” buy a jar of Vasoline and a king-sized box of Kleenex and get Miley Cyrus videos streaming into his bedroom in a red state like Kansas?
The red state atmosphere makes cheating, porn-mongering, etc., all the more enticing. That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.
IQ are higher in Red States than Blue States.
Unemployment is 20 percent higher in Blue States, than it is in Red States.
IQ’s = IQ
The killing fields of Chicago…Barack somebody?
O’Bama
and Barack is Irish, this song proves it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EADUQWKoVek
Oooo Bah mah Does work well, saying it with an Irish accent. lol Sounds like something you’d say, after slamming down a cold brewsky.
Barnie
Posted July 9, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink
Oooo Bah mah Does work well, saying it with an Irish accent. lol Sounds like something you’d say, after slamming down a cold brewsky.
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Yes, usually followed by…
Worst president ever…
“biased1″ –
Word out of Texas is that George WMD Bush, in a frenzy of work, has completed his book!
He finally found Waldo!
Those nasty ole blue staters.
Vermont Man Held Without Bail for Allegedly Holding Stepson for Sex
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530701,00.html?test=latestnews
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 9, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink
“biased1? –
Word out of Texas is that George WMD Bush, in a frenzy of work, has completed his book!
He finally found Waldo!
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Maybe now the multi-million dollar (half)negro can figure out the worth of a dollar!
ANTI = RACIST PIG
Oink, Oink, Blindman.
Red states are more likely to have ‘abstinence only’ programs that aren’t working.
Does that go hand in hand with statistically girls in religious high schools and colleges are more apt to have an abortion or child out of wedlock?
SloppyHeathen
Posted July 9, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
Red states are more likely to have ‘abstinence only’ programs that aren’t working.
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Blue states give out more free condoms and still have higer rate of teens with std’s and teen pregnancy.
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Does that go hand in hand with statistically girls in religious high schools and colleges are more apt to have an abortion or child out of wedlock?
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It goes hand in hand with the higher rates of teen alcohol abuse, drug abuse, drop-out rates, gang violence and poverty rates in blue states.
You know, the “family friendly” states….
More “family values”
LAS VEGAS – The sex scandal engulfing Sen. John Ensign deepened Wednesday after his former mistress’s husband revealed new details about the relationship, saying the Nevada Republican paid the woman more than $25,000 in severance when she stopped working for him.
Doug Hampton also provided a letter to the Las Vegas Sun that he claimed was a handwritten apology from Ensign to Cindy Hampton, a former treasurer for the senator’s campaign committees. “I used you for my own pleasure,” the letter reads, later adding. “Plain and simple it was a sin.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31808035/ns/politics-capitol_hill/
The letter and interview with the newspaper mark another embarrassment for Ensign, a 51-year-old Christian conservative who abruptly came forward last month and confessed to the affair. In addition, a severance payment could pose campaign finance and ethics issues for the Republican if the amount was not disclosed
a 51-year-old Christian conservative who abruptly came forward last month and confessed to the affair.
In stark contrast to Edward’s “love child”?
Evidently Ben likes ‘casting stones.’
Red states are poor states.
Poverty breeds ignorance and superstition. Grinding poverty breeds drunkeness and promiscuity.
And that leads to divorce and unwanted pregnancy.
Marx was right–money (class) explains everything.
Blue states give out more free condoms and still have higer rate of . . . teen pregnancy.
Hey, geenyous,
The article cited evidence of just the opposite.
Don’t let that interfere with your prejudices or anything . . .
CraponAmerica- chortles….
Hey, geenyous,
The article cited evidence of just the opposite.
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the article cited teenage BIRTH rate.
idiot
Not PREGNANCY rate.
I’ll type R E A L S L O W.
Red states MORE pregnancies.
Red states MORE abortions.
Thats why blue states have a higher BIRTH rate
got it moron?
I think even cosmo got that one!
This is why the republican party, whatever is left of it, needs to drop the religious righteousness from the wagon.
“American_Way” contributes –
“…the republican party, whatever is left of it, needs to drop the religious righteousness from the wagon.”
Y’think?
Monkeyhawk contributes
Ya think?
Sometimes Regular – when I am returning the stones cast by the righties like Ensign. Like that SC governor who lectured about how bad Clinton was while he was carrying on all his affairs.
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bth
Posted July 9, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink
Sometimes Regular – when I am returning the stones cast by the righties like Ensign. Like that SC governor who lectured about how bad Clinton was while he was carrying on all his affairs.
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So by your measure of logic, you fooled around on your wife since you did some stone throwing.
I understand.
Ah, okay, Biased,
You want to quibble on birthrate vs. pregnancy rates.
Fine. Let’s go back to the original article and see what it says:
Among states with available data, Arkansas had the highest pregnancy rate among non-
Hispanic white teenagers (77 per 1,000). Pregnancy rates among this group were also
high in other Southern states: Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky and South
Carolina (71–73 per 1,000).
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Oooh, ouch. Highest teenage pregnancy rates in the Bible Belt. That’s gotta hurt . . .
STATES with highest Teenage PREGNANCY
Highest to lowest
Nevada
Arizona
Mississippi
New Mexico
Texas
Florida
California
Georgia
North Carolina
Arkansas
“Abstinence only . . . it works right up until it doesn’t . . . “
BTW, CONs–
How do you spin the fact that you people log on to porn more often?
You know the number one porn consuming state? Frickin’ UTAH!
Mormons . . .
Well, I guess you gotta do something while you’re not drinking coffee.
Dang Capt!
Why you listing all those blue states?
When an American Temperance Union delegate approached the President of France in 1918, she admonished him for giving congnac to French Troops before they went over the top (the Brits got rum) and vowed never to let demon booze near US infantry. She then demanded he rid his cabinet of all those who had a mistress, to which Clemenceau replied he would loose his entire Cabinet and have no one therfore suitabe to replace them. The poor man was stupified at the unknowing ways of Americans in these matters, and 90 years on we still are.
Cons are just so good at deception. They think guilt and indulgence is part of normal life.
Nathan, I know you must have impure thoughts- do you pray over it? Do you have to cry every time you jack it?
I once dated a man who did his Rosary after anything he considered impure. That relationship lasted all of…um…a week. CREEPY.
Utah, the number one porn comsuming state?
As Gomer Pyle would say, “Surprise, surprise, surprise!”
CraponAmerica
Posted July 9, 2009 at 7:47 pm | Permalink
BTW, CONs–
How do you spin the fact that you people log on to porn more often?
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We CONs can actually afford a computer?
nuff said.
CraponAmerica
Posted July 9, 2009 at 7:26 pm | Permalink
STATES with highest Teenage PREGNANCY = States with the highest population of illegal immigrants.
As soon as you get them to vote, they’ll ALL be blue.
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“Abstinence only . . . it works right up until it doesn’t . .
Well thank God no girl with a free rubber ever got pregnant……
Funny thing Crapon, the way you libtards think.
If one “abstinance only” girl gets pregnant its a “failure” to a tard.
If one “free rubber” girl doesn’t get pregnant your program is a “great success!”
That pretty much the way you see it tard?
As far as family values – I have to say I’ve heard it all now when the news broke about Sen. John Ensign’s parents paying his mistress, her husband, their children $12,000 each as so-called ‘gifts’.
This entire scenario sounds like some prep school fraternity boy got into trouble so his mommy and daddy are paying to get him out of it.
Please, Republicans, just grow up!!!!!
American_Way
Posted July 9, 2009 at 4:32 pm | Permalink
This is why the republican party, whatever is left of it, needs to drop the religious righteousness from the wagon.
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THAT is an honest statement… Congratulations!
No regular – didn’t say that at all. I just pick up all the stones the righties throw at others and return them to the righties.
CraponAmerica
Funny thing Crapon, the way you libtards think.
to a tard.
the way you see it tard?
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Biased1–
I know that in the past I have been among the worst offenders at gratutituous insults, but I’m actually attempting to change that.
It would help if you could lay off the “libtard,” “‘tard,” and “Crapon.”
Thanking you in advance.
As far a “abstinice only” . . . I look at Europe.
Their kids have as much sex as ours but they don’t get pregnant.
Why is that? The water?
The logical answer–birth control and knowing how to use it.
BTW, in Utah’s defense, it may be that the Mormons have succeeded in virtually outlawing porn video stores, so the only alternative would be on-line viewing.
Still, it’s pretty funny . . .
CapnAmerica
Posted July 10, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink
BTW, in Utah’s defense, it may be that the Mormons have succeeded in virtually outlawing porn video stores, so the only alternative would be on-line viewing.
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Who needs porn when you can sleep with a different ‘wife’ every night of the week?
And yet –
I bet no one’s ever made a real authentic Mormon Porn film.
Y’know…
The guys in black pants and short-sleeved shirts on bicycles show up on the porch and don’t have a pizza? And the frustrated hot cougar decides to embrace Brigham Young? (Especially the “young” part.)
I suspect Mormon porn is a whole new opportunity in the genre.
Like, there could be this traveling salesman who has car trouble and knocks on a door outside Colorado City, Arizona, and the farmer says, “Yeah, you can have a place for the night but you’ll have to sleep with all six of my wives.”
(Or, y’know, a historically accurate history of the LDS. )
How ’bout Donny & Marie singing love songs to each other?
I see a market opportunity here.
GOPerverts sure do love their porn, their mistresses, their hookers, and their toe-tapping, don’t they.