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So far, I think last night’s hail storm only broke the windshield of my second car. But haven’t checked my tomato plants yet and windows in the garage. I took refuge in a downtown concrete parking garage during the ballgame at L.D. stadium.
Our Socialist Congress is adding and packing their favorite projects to the so called health reform bill making it way thru the system. We are being duped as usual.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/07/09/in_health_bill_billions_for_parks_paths/
The chairman of the House intelligence committee has accused the CIA of lying to the panel in a classified matter, the second time in less than two months that a top House Democrat has charged the spy agency of intentionally misleading Congress.
Rep. Silvestre Reyes (Tex.), in a letter sent Tuesday to House leadership, said that CIA officials “affirmatively lied” to the intelligence committee when recently notifying the panel about a classified matter. Reyes wrote that it was one of several recent instances in which the CIA has not fully informed the committee on other classified notifications.
His complaint echoed charges by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.), who on May 14 said the agency intentionally misled her in a 2002 briefing on interrogation techniques used against alleged terrorist detainees.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/08/AR2009070804142.html?hpid=topnews
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Ms Pelosi may be due an apology….
Depends upon your view I suppose XXX. My reaction was, that it sounds to me like someone is trying to give Ms. Pelosi political cover.
george: I was hoping that Washington would pay attention to the problem at hand just this once, not pad their ability to get re-elected for health is an intangible that only the very poor of spirit would leech. I accept that real life requires compromise and that all citizens have the right to address government but the address of a few which affects us all is ususary in the truest sense of the word. As a liberal I am again p155ed of with the Capitol Hill Heist/Follies on display daily, at great cost to us all fiscally and morally. We’ve come to accept it and that is self damnation.
Interesting read in the NYT this morning.
“Administration officials had predicted that the stimulus program would save or create 600,000 jobs by summer. But the economy has lost more than two million jobs since Mr. Obama took office, and officials now estimate that the program has saved only about 150,000 jobs.”
“In Ohio, where unemployment is above 10 percent and where Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. will visit on Thursday, Mr. Obama’s popularity has dropped sharply. In a poll by Quinnipiac University earlier this week, 48 percent of respondents said they disapproved of Mr. Obama’s handling of the economy, while 46 percent approved, down 11 percentage points since May.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/us/politics/09stimulus.html?hpw
On this date, Jul 9th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 110 °F (1980)
Low: 55 °F (1905)
High: 110 °F (1980)
By God, I remember that summer.
It was hot.
Damn hot.
And dark.
And, we liked it.
Could fry an egg on the sidewalk, except we couldn’t afford sidewalks. Or eggs.
From Chinese mitten crabs in Chesapeake Bay to the Coqui tree frog in Hawaii, exotic creatures have overrun America from sea to shining sea.
But no state faces a bigger, scarier threat than Florida — a point made abundantly clear during a Senate hearing Wednesday on the nation’s losing battle to slow the spread of invasive species.
Florida Sen. Bill Nelson delivered a vivid show-and-tell to lawmakers, unrolling the skin of a Burmese python killed in Everglades National Park, all 17 feet of it. Then he explained in graphic detail how a pet python half that size strangled a toddler in her crib last week in a town northwest of Orlando.
http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/1133628.html?storylink=omni_popular
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Interesting development. A 17 foot long Burmese python isn’t a particularly large one. There’s one in a zoo in Australia that measures a little over 30 feet. And these monsters are running loose in the Glades. We need to keep in mind, humans aren’t always at the top of the food chain.
A ban on imported snakes isn’t going to do much good. Most snakes for sale at the pet store are captive bred, especially pythons. Pythons are extremely hardy snakes. Expect to see them spread through the south in the next few years.
“XXX” –
Maybe we could teach the Pythons to eat killer bees.
fleettwood
Posted July 9, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink
High: 110 °F (1980)
By God, I remember that summer.
It was hot.
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Yeah, I remember that one, too. I and my soon-to-be wife #2 made a bike trip to Ft Worth at the height of that heat wave. We saw temps hit 117 in southern Oklahoma. We’d ride for an hour and spend a half hour guzzling ice tea at Nickerson Farms. The pavement in the parking lots turned to goo. I’d have to find something to support the kick stand to keep the bike from sinking into the pavement. It was hard to find gas pumps that worked in that kind of heat.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 9, 2009 at 8:49 am | Permalink
“XXX” –
Maybe we could teach the Pythons to eat killer bees.
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Monk, since they’re already in the south, maybe we could teach them to eat Republicans.
OK, don’t go nutz guys, I’m just kidding (kind of).
They global warming myth…
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In 1988 Hansen et al published a paper “Global Climate Changes as Forecast by Goddard Institute for Space Studies Three-Dimensional Model” in the Journal of Geophysical Research that introduced a “CO2 forcing parameter”. This parameter had no actual physical basis, but was merely based on the assumption that a 100ppmv increase in CO2 was directly and primarily responsible for the measured increase in global temperature of 0.6°C that had been observed over the past century.
This assumption ignored the fact that over this time period there was both cooling and warming concurrent with rising CO2 concentration, and considering that this paper was published just 13 years after a 33 year cooling trend that also had a concurrent increase in CO2 concentration there is no possible valid rational for this assumption. Essentially in the 46year period from 1942 to when the paper was published in 1988, there were 33years of cooling and only 13years of warming concurrent with increases in CO2, yet the models used a forcing parameter that directly related only warming to CO2 concentration increases.
With no basis in fact, this parameter is entirely a fabrication, and the projections of climate models that are based on this fabricated parameter are also meaningless fabrications.
In addition to the fabrication, there is a bit of scientific fraud in the creation of this CO2 forcing parameter.
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And so began the farce. A good read:
http://conservativemeanderings.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/how-many-ipcc-scientists-fabricate-and-falsify-research/
XXX,
Or we could kill the Pythons to feed the Democrats.
I am not a Democrat, but I might sneak a bite.
I getta keep the skins.
Poor little soldevvb just can’t understand that an increase of aerosols caused a period of cooling from the 1940’s to the 1970’s.
Yes, 1980 was very hot all throughout United States. Dallas, Texas had 42 concecutive days of temperatures over 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
Coincidentally, for your historic pleasure, it was also the year of the eruption of Mount St. Helens volcano.
The sun was hyperactive during that year with many flares and growth of sun spot size.
an increase of aerosols caused a period of cooling from the 1940’s to the 1970’s.
Sounds like a nice opinion cosmo. Is this opinion from the same folks that lied about CO2 and tried to make it the boogey man?
cosmos,
Why does proxy tree ring data in the 20th century no increasing heat trends?
Note: This will be the third attempt to get ask cosmos the question. cosmos ignores actual observational data not included in his computer fable climate machines and cherry-picked data by the IPCC.
Reg,
Would those observed data be like the 8 year trend of cooling temperatures cosmo is so loath to acknowledge?
Would this 8 year trend of cooling be the same data capn A(ss) claims has been tortured on yesterday’s open.
It is to laugh.
cosmo’s religion blinds her of real science.
soldevvb,
It’s based on something that you and Norm Kalmanovitch seem unable to understand — science.
It’s based on something that you and Norm Kalmanovitch seem unable to understand — science.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Huuuuuuuuuuugh
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
If you only understood science and observed data cosmo. Can you not read a graph?
It must P ISS OFF the IPCC that the data for the past 8 years blows their models and “predictions” right out of the water.
Open your eyes cosmo, your faith has blinded you of real science.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 9:31 am
Reg,
Would those observed data be like the 8 year trend of cooling temperatures [link] cosmo is so loath to acknowledge?
Would this 8 year trend of cooling [link] be the same data capn A(ss) claims has been tortured on yesterday’s open.
It is to laugh.
cosmo’s religion blinds her of real science.
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Yes soldevvb, your claims and empty personal attacks are a laugh.
soldevvb’s [link] =
“Not Found
Apologies, but we were unable to find what you were looking for. Perhaps searching will help.“
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-78-2/#comment-616833
Hey Cosmos,
You up fo’ some snake eatin’?
They taste similar to frog legs.
Yes soldevvb, your claims and empty personal attacks are a laugh.
My claims? Dear little girl, this is where you have lost your science in favor of your faith. They are not claims, little one, they are observed data.
It appears that the WEBlog has disallowed imbedded links. You’ve seen them all before, but just for you, wee one…
icecap.us/images/uploads/CRUMSUCO2June.jpg
icecap.us/images/uploads/SPPI8YR.jpg
empty personal attacks
And what would those be? Copy paste please.
And now for something completely different (bonus points for those who remember where that line originated).
It seems some cartoonists have taken off the obama blinders.
http://furiousdiaper.com/
Potential Inaccuracies in Temperature Trends — Summary
CO2 Science
In our Editorial of 15 July 2000, we delved a little deeper into the subject of climate reconstruction based on tree-ring data, noting that there are two types of data that have been used for this purpose: (1) tree-ring width measurements and (2) tree-ring density measurements.
Reconstructions based on the first of these parameters often do show what is interpreted as an accelerated warming over the latter part of the 20th century; but reconstructions based on the second parameter do not. The reason for this
discrepancy resides in the fact that atmospheric CO2 enrichment significantly enhances biomass production in trees (which results in increased tree-ring widths) by about an order of magnitude more than it enhances wood density.
Consequently, the increase in the air’s CO2 content over the past century has dramatically increased tree-ring widths, while it has only marginally increased tree-ring densities; and it is this readily-observed CO2-induced increase in tree-ring widths that climate revisionists have wrongly interpreted as being due to an increase in surface air temperature.
http://www.co2science.org/subject/p/summaries/potentialinaccuracy.php
Global Warming= More snakes….Get your knife and frying pan ready Cosmos!
Yee-Hay, We’s gonna have us a round up!
BTW, If I were you I would raise my grass hut off of the ground.
Ref: They don’t waste time reading what some confused anonymous person named “soldevvb” falsely claims on the WE blog.
From cosmo’s link http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-78-2/#comment-616833
And what false claims would those be, dear little girl?
From yesterday’s thread…
CapnAmerica
Posted July 8, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink
I’d like to see how the data get tortured to come up with “global cooling.”
It amuses me.
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Well here you go capn A(ss)
icecap.us/images/uploads/CRUMSUCO2June.jpg
icecap.us/images/uploads/SPPI8YR.jpg
soldevvb,
Aerosols, solar intensity changes, and other factors are part of the observed data.
Every time soldevvb insists that temperatures should not be influenced by aerosols, solar, and other non-CO2 factors, s/he strengthens the proof that s/he is very “confused” (to be polite).
‘Monckton’s deliberate manipulation‘
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/05/moncktons-deliberate-
cosmo,
Every time soldevvb insists that temperatures should not be influenced by aerosols, solar, and other non-CO2 factors, s/he strengthens the proof that s/he is very “confused” (to be polite).
What has been the net global temperature decrease over the past 8 years?
Please copy paste my comments that support your above claim.
Or are you just lying?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-71-3/comment-page-5/#comment-613632
BTW Hank. . . the trend in solar intensity does not explain the warming trend since the mid-1970’s.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-117-3/#comment-505051
Solar does not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.
Warmer… Cooler… Warmer… Cooler…
And so it goes….
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/04/pro-con-on-whether-human-activity-affects-global-warming/#comment-560797
solar activity does not explain the warming since the mid-1970’s.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-117-3/comment-page-4/#comment-505051
Solar does not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.
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Chas
Posted July 9, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink
Warmer… Cooler… Warmer… Cooler…
And so it goes….
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Chas,
That is one of the few post of yours that I absolutely agree with.
Thank you.
Well put, BTW Chas.
Seems cosmo doesn’t believe the sun has anything to do with the earth’s temps.
Chas
Posted July 9, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink
Warmer… Cooler… Warmer… Cooler…
And so it goes….
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Congratulations chas, you got it right. Whether humans are on the earth contributing CO2 to the atmosphere or not. Warmer… Cooler… Warmer… Cooler…
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~dbunny/research/global/glacialfluc.pdf
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 10:17 am
cosmo,
Every time soldevvb insists that temperatures should not be influenced by aerosols, solar, and other non-CO2 factors, s/he strengthens the proof that s/he is very “confused” (to be polite).
. . .
Please copy paste my comments that support your above claim.
Or are you just lying?
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soldevvb, do you even read what you copy/paste?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-79-2/comment-page-1/#comment-617059
soldevvb’s post ignores the observed changes in solar, aerosols, and other non-CO2 factors during the last century.
cosmos spits:
soldevvb’s post ignores the observed changes in solar, aerosols, and other non-CO2 factors during the last century
Then sun only matters to cosmos when he wants it to matter.
(smirks)
El Nino conditions return to affect U.S. weather
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2009-07-09-el-nino-weather_N.htm?csp=34
WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. government scientists say El Niño, the periodic warming of water in the tropical Pacific Ocean that can influence weather around the world, has returned.
The Pacific had been in what is called a neutral state, but forecasters at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration say the sea surface temperature climbed to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit along a narrow band in the eastern equatorial Pacific in June.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 10:28 am
Seems cosmo doesn’t believe the sun has anything to do with the earth’s temps.
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soldevvb,
Explain why you believe that I believe the sun does not have “anything to do with the earth’s temps”, considering your 10:18, 10:19, 10:23, and 10:24 am posts.
Specifically, how does examining solar activity (which has been relatively flat, then dropped) since the mid-1970’s mean that the sun does not have “anything to do with the earth’s temps”?
How does examining a factor mean that it’s not a factor?
soldevvb’s post ignores the observed changes in solar, aerosols, and other non-CO2 factors during the last century.
That is the point of the piece cosmo. But hansen et al chose to use CO2 as a forcing parameter. What parameters did hansen et al use for solar, aerosols and other non-CO2 factors?
Thank you for supporting the concept cosmo. Are you starting to see thorough your religion?
I’d love to see some of your posts re AGW that do not point to CO2. I’d love to see some of hansen’s “work” or al-Gore’s high priced lectures that do not reference CO2.
And by the way, hansen and the IPCC have been dead wrong in the past and present. Don’t see much hope for them in the future either.
How does examining a factor mean that it’s not a factor?
You first :
What has been the net global temperature decrease over the past 8 years?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-79-2/comment-page-2/#comment-617092
Time for me to reach across the aisle and remind CONs of their favorite Ted Kennedy drinking song.
I can’t quite give you the melody in this forum, but think about a famous Irish jig as you sing –
OH….
Your….
Brother is dead and your
Brother is dead and your
Brother is dead and your
Mother is dead
And your father is dead
And Kopechne is dead
And your wife is a drunk
And your kid has one leg.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 11:21 am
soldevvb’s post ignores the observed changes in solar, aerosols, and other non-CO2 factors during the last century.
That is the point of the piece cosmo.
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No, the point of the piece is to falsely claim that CO2 is not a climate factor, by ignoring changes caused by the non-CO2 factors.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-79-2/comment-page-2/#comment-617059
soldevvb, tell us how you can determine CO2 is not a factor by ignoring the non-CO2 factors.
soldevvb, tell us how you can determine CO2 is not a factor by ignoring the non-CO2 factors.
You still haven’t answered my first question cosmo:
What has been the net global temperature decrease over the past 8 years?
You seem to be building a straw man as well. Will you continue to dodge this:
But hansen et al chose to use CO2 as a forcing parameter. What parameters did hansen et al use for solar, aerosols and other non-CO2 factors?
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 11:21 am
But hansen et al chose to use CO2 as a forcing parameter. What parameters did hansen et al use for solar, aerosols and other non-CO2 factors?
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Because CO2 is a forcing parameter.
Aerosols have a much shorter lifetime in the atmosphere compared to CO2.
Future solar activity cannot be predicted, and cannot be changed by humans (except indirectly, with geo-engineering).
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 11:21 am
I’d love to see some of your posts re AGW that do not point to CO2. I’d love to see some of hansen’s “work” or al-Gore’s high priced lectures that do not reference CO2.
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Then learn how to read.
Another Alarming Video Taken Inside D.C. Metro Shows Driver Sleeping at Controls
Another fine example of union labor.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 11:45 am
You still haven’t answered my first question cosmo:
What has been the net global temperature decrease over the past 8 years?
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http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-79-2/comment-page-2/#comment-617091
Aerosols have a much shorter lifetime in the atmosphere compared to CO2.
So then they are not accounted for in the models? Gotcha.
Future solar activity cannot be predicted, and cannot be changed by humans
So then it is not accounted for in the models? Gotcha.
You are proving the point of the piece I posted cosmo.
Then learn how to read.
LMFAO. You can’t even provide one link where either al-Gore or hansen to proclaim CO2 as the boogey man. LMFAO.
cosmo’s link : a hit piece on Monckton on a political rag blog realclimate. How predictable. From the link:
someone might be fooled by the cherry-picked January 2002 start date,
Cherry picked? Observing the beginning of a trend, 8 years ago is cherry picked? That is laughable.
And it does nothing to refute any facts. Just about cosmo’s speed isn’t it?
icecap.us/images/uploads/CRUMSUCO2June.jpg
icecap.us/images/uploads/SPPI8YR.jpg
So, just the facts cosmo, you know – real science stuff. What has been the net change in global temperatures over the last 8 years?
You just gotta ask yourself, if one can ignore the data for the past 8 years (cooling trend) because it doesn’t align with one’s religion, just how credible can that person be?
Pelosi: Michael Jackson resolution not necessary
Pelosi the Racist
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-09-pelosi-jackson_N.htm?csp=34
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Texas Democrat, has proposed the resolution in Jackson’s honor.
Things that make you say hmmmmm.
Unlike Predecessors, Clinton Left Behind on Presidential Foreign Travel
By the time President Obama returns from Ghana, the last stop on his latest three-country tour, he will have visited nine countries without Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Diplomatic hot spots are popping up everywhere, in spite of President Obama’s “adopt an evil-doer” doctrine. We have real-live crises in Honduras, North Korea and Iran; things are dicey in Afghanistan, China is ever problematic and Mexico is a mess. Not to worry: the administration is on top of things. Joe Biden is trying to make Iraq’s leaders play nice in their sandbox, President Obama is becoming the Russians’ new BFF, Richard Holbrooke has been meeting with G8 foreign ministers in Trieste, and George Mitchell convened recently with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Meanwhile, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s last gig was…installing Jose Villarreal as the Commissioner for the 2010 Shanghai World Expo? Boy, has she been had.
Catholics are apparently worshipping a tree stump. They say this tree stump looks like one of their goddesses. As far as I can tell it looks like a tree stump, but I tend not to grovel before every graven image so I don’t know better.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0709/1224250319175.html
Perhaps someone can point out where the tree stump resembles anything other than a tree stump.
Here is the Headline:
“House Dems Edge Closer to Proposal Taxing Rich for Health Care Reform”
Here is what is “rich”:
“…the surtax would apply to individuals with adjusted gross income of more than $200,000 and couples over $250,000…”
Any questions?
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 12:05 pm
cosmo’s link : a hit piece on Monckton on a political rag blog realclimate. How predictable. From the link:
someone might be fooled by the cherry-picked January 2002 start date,
Cherry picked? Observing the beginning of a trend, 8 years ago is cherry picked? That is laughable.
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So the starting point is arbitrary, and unimportant? Okay, then I pick the year 2000 as the starting point.
And soldevvb. . . what have ENSO and solar been doing the last few years?
You still haven’t answered the question.
Pick the starting point you like, you still can’t refute the down trend in temperatures over the past 8 years.
Cherry picked? Observing the beginning of a trend, 8 years ago is cherry picked? That is laughable.
So the starting point is arbitrary, and unimportant? Okay, then I pick the year 2000 as the starting point.
Do you even know what a trend is? 2002 started a trend. Google it if you don’t understand it.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Do you even know what a trend is? 2002 started a trend. Google it if you don’t understand it.
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Okay. . . so you are “cherry-picking” dates to prove that you want to ignore natural fluctuations, like La Nina’s and solar minimums.
I can easily “cherry-pick” a strong opposite trend: 1992 – 1998.
Well this is interesting:
Counties that supported Obama last year have reaped twice as much money per person from the administration’s $787 billion economic stimulus package as those that voted for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, a USA TODAY analysis of government disclosure and accounting records shows. That money includes aid to repair military bases, improve public housing and help students pay for college.
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Really? The only thing surprising about that is that anyone is surprised about that . . .
Of course, the White House says otherwise.
“There’s no politics at work when it comes to spending for the recovery,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says.
Riiiiiight. What else would he say?
Of course, we may well be confusing cause and effect. That in fact seems to be the case, according to the article (healthy skepticism is in order here; this is Obama’s media, after all). The counties are not rewarded because they voted for Obama, they voted for Obama because they expect – and are used to – getting rewarded. In other words, Obama’s constiuency is primarily those who are the net consumers of gov’t largess, rather than those who have to pay the bills.
Anyone surprised by that?
Well this is interesting:
Counties that supported Obama last year have reaped twice as much money per person from the administration’s $787 billion economic stimulus package as those that voted for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, a USA TODAY analysis of government disclosure and accounting records shows. That money includes aid to repair military bases, improve public housing and help students pay for college.
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Really? The only thing surprising about that is that anyone is surprised about that . . .
Of course, the White House says otherwise.
“There’s no politics at work when it comes to spending for the recovery,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says.
Riiiiiight. What else would he say?
Of course, we may well be confusing cause and effect. That in fact seems to be the case, according to the article (healthy skepticism is in order here; this is Obama’s media, after all). The counties are not rewarded because they voted for Obama, they voted for Obama because they expect – and are used to – getting rewarded. In other words, Obama’s constiuency is primarily those who are the net consumers of gov’t largess, rather than those who have to pay the bills.
Anyone surprised by that?
Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-07-08-redblue_N.htm
trend (trnd)
n.
1. The general direction in which something tends to move.
2. A general tendency or inclination. See Synonyms at tendency.
3. Current style; vogue: the latest trend in fashion.
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Thick as a post comso. The trend over the last 8 years. I’m thinking the most recent years are most relevant. Depicting a trend (see above if you’ve already forgotten the definition) is far from cherry picking.
But thank you for proving that you can not refute the facts of the down trend of temperatures over the last 8 years.
I can easily “cherry-pick” a strong opposite trend: 1992 – 1998.
It was hot 17 years ago has more relevance than the past 8 years. Gotcha.
Another hard day at the office for “GMC70″ –
Here’s a repost from last night’s open thread –
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 9, 2009 at 12:52 am | Permalink
Not surprisingly, “JimJohnson” –
Most of the states suffering the most from Bushonomics are led by Repubic Party governors.
Rick Perry tried to turn down — but merely delayed — stimulus money to Texas.
Mark Sanford was tried and eventually failed — failed so bad he had to “hike the Appalachian Trail” with his Argentinian soul-mate.
The Moose-Dresser kept saying and non-saying “Thank but no thanks” her state needed ’til she finally treated public office the way Jerry Lee Lewis treats concert dates.
So if you dick around with political posturing, transfer stimulus money into the debts your tax-cut rhetorical mantra into programs to cover your ass for prior fiscal incompetence… maybe the impact of the February stimulus package might be delayed.
Even the term “shovel ready” acknowledges you first have to, y’know, buy some shovels, hire some shovelers, get someone who can read the blueprints to tell the shovelers where to shovel.
That takes some lead time.
Guess who said it.
(NO CHEATING)
Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and PARTICULARLY GROWTH IN POPULATIONS TAHT WE DON’T WANT TO HAVE TOO MANY OF. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 1:38 pm
But thank you for proving that you can not refute the facts of the down trend of temperatures over the last 8 years.
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Thank you soldevvb, for still not understanding that I don’t need to refute short-term cooling trends — AGW science explains that those fluctuations are due to ENSO events, and a solar minimum.
soldevvb and the other AGW science deniers can’t explain the key point — what caused the warming trend since the mid-1970’s.
BTW: During the last decade, the last 1/2 of the decade was slightly warmer than the first 1/2.
And within a few years, a weak El Nino (possibly with cooling due to a continued solar minimum) may help AGW exceed the 1998 warmth, which was due to a record El Nino plus AGW.
Monkey shovel ready means the engineers have done their things, bids have been let for the sub contractors the land has been bought and all permits are in place.
Now we are ready for the shovels. That is what Obama said. Shovel ready. He lied I guess.
And within a few years, a weak El Nino (possibly with cooling due to a continued solar minimum) may help AGW exceed the 1998 warmth, which was due to a record El Nino plus AGW.
Weasel words. And you still can’t understand the 8 year cooling trend. Your faith is weak.
“okobserver” fabricates –
“Monkey shovel ready means the engineers have done their things, bids have been let for the sub contractors the land has been bought and all permits are in place.”
And if “the land has been bought,” where’d that money come from?
You’re wrong, “okobserver.”
Take, for example, the project south of Overland Park, Kansas, where the need to expand Highway 69 was established long ago. Yeah, the plans were in place, but there were logistics — actually having the money to buy the land, hire and schedule the workers, etc. — needed the stimulus money to get the job done.
As I cited above, Repubic Party governors such as Perry and Sanford and Palin thought they were making political points by rejecting stimulus money and so, are way behind the curve now they have come clean and are applying the stimulus to their states.
Just where did you get your personal definition of “shovel-ready projects,” “okobserver?”
Out of your ass?
(I mention that only because you think “substantive” posts to WE Blog include “HLP’s” obsession with the size of Michelle Obama’s ass.)
But I’m open to debate, “okobserver.”
Just where did you get your definition for “shovel-ready projects?”
Enlighten us.
Shovel ready means just what it says. A project can be in the works for months even years but when the powers that be decide to move forward with it and everything is in place it is ’shovel ready’ and workers are brought on site and put to work.
Unless you can disprove what I just said then you are just blowing smoke as usual while defending the worse prez ever.
What is your obsession with Michelle Obama’s rear end. You need to get out more. I thought you were a little odd when you told us set in a locker room and watched a marine get dressed for twenty minutes. Now I know you are really odd.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 2:38 pm
And you still can’t understand the 8 year cooling trend.
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Thank you soldevvb, for still not understanding that I don’t need to refute short-term cooling trends — AGW science explains that those fluctuations are due to ENSO events, and a solar minimum.
From NPR –
Stimulus Bill Gives ‘Shovel-Ready’ Projects Priority
by Brian Naylor
Bill Olmsted
Wisconsin Department of Transportation workers inspect the Highway 51 bridge over the Rock River in August 2007. Wisconsin’s piece of the stimulus legislation could put some of the 7,000 jobless transportation workers in the state back to work. The Gazette/AP
Morning Edition, February 9, 2009 · As President Obama urges Congress to pass the $800 billion-plus stimulus package, one of his favorite selling points is the thousands of projects nationwide that he calls “shovel ready” — meaning planning is complete, approvals are secured and people could be put to work right away once funding is in place.
That means a state has already done the preliminary work for that project, he says.
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Just as I said Monkey – you need to get out more.
Oh Monkey which tree have you ran off to?
Thank you soldevvb, for still not understanding that I don’t need to refute short-term cooling trends — AGW science explains that those fluctuations are due to ENSO events, and a solar minimum.
Thank you for proving you can not post the net change in global temperatures over the past 8 years.
“okobserver” –
“…once funding is in place.”
And look at the states whose Repubic Party governors have steadfastly worked for months to prevent stimulus money from getting in place.
I drove through the orange cones south of Overland Park yesterday. Lots of people and machines at work because the stimulus money got “in place.”
In South Carolina, in Texas, in Alaska… not so much. And that’s the fault of the stimulus program?
Nope.
Cheap little Repubic Party politicians posturing against the money until they couldn’t justify it. Months later than other states.
Y’know. Your heroes.
“okobserver”
Posted July 9, 2009 at 3:15 pm |
“Oh Monkey which tree have you ran off to?”
See, that’s the kind of grammar that comes from 6 or 7 community colleges which led to “okbserver’s”
Associate’s“Degree.”Perhaps you suffer from Adult Attention Deficit Disorder, “okobserver.” Or maybe you’re just in a snit that I’m not hanging on every word you post.
Eight minutes to respond to a post isn’t an “Oh Monkey which tree have you ran off to?” moment. Hell, it’s hardly even a moment.
Just where did you get your personal definition of “shovel-ready projects,” “okobserver?”
Out of your ass?
(I mention that only because you think “substantive” posts to WE Blog include “HLP’s” obsession with the size of Michelle Obama’s ass.)
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I mention this only because you are a world class jerk who contributes absolutely nothing of substance to any dialogue.
Monkey is is really simple. Try saying it after your out of control rant above.
‘I was wrong when I told you that you didn’t know what shovel ready was.’
Monkey I said it because you didn’t waste any time when you thought I was dead wrong and even when you did respond instead of saying that you didn’t have a clue what you were talking about and that your pic for prez used that expression over and over again meaning jobs were in place an waiting for the funds – well you were just dead wrong as usual.
As for how many schools I have attended. I went to whatever school offered the classes I wanted to attend. Still do. You must lead a very boring life with absolutely no variety if you don’t understand that.
Pity.
soldevvb posted July 9, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Thank you for proving you can not post the net change in global temperatures over the past 8 years.
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Thank you soldevvb, for still not understanding that I don’t need to refute short-term cooling trends — AGW science explains that those fluctuations are due to ENSO events, and a solar minimum.
And thank you soldevvb, for continuing to ignore, and fail to explain, the warming since the mid-1970’s.
“okobserver” tries –
“Monkey is is really simple.”
Oh, damn!
I is is?!
Really?
You’re not really clear, here, when you posted –
“I was wrong when I told you that you didn’t know what shovel ready was.”
Was that you talking about you? Or you imagining what I might say?
You cited an obscure “shovel-ready” project in Wisconsin that was “shovel-ready” once funding was in place.”
And guess what? Shovels and road graders and heavy equipment operators are working this moment. Same with the Highway 69 project in Johnson and Miami counties in Kansas.
But political posturing by Sanford, Perry, Palin, Jindal, etc… delayed funding to their states.
Now, I realize the facts of the matter apparently don’t pass muster on your personal little partisan definition of “substance.”
About other tangential matter –
You know damned well where the “Michelle Obama’s ass” references came from. I even forced you to acknowledge how utterly irrelevant “HLP’s” posts have been on that matter.
But you choose to attack me for “lacking substance.”
Perhaps you should (substantively, mind you) look for that “tree” I allegedly “tree have ran off to?[sic]“
Monkey that mess in your hand is your head I just handed you.
No more time to waste with your monkey drivel.
Have a pleasant afternoon.
Right, “okobserver” –
Declare “victory” in the face of all facts against you.
That’ll work.
Frankly, I’m already having a pleasant afternoon handing you your ass at every turn.
And of course you have “…no more time.” You’re busy looking for that tree to escape to.
And then there’s this. Remember the Obama administration’s fierce moral urgency regarding detainees, trials, unlimited detention? How the Bush administration was pilloried for “trampling” on the constitution?
Now, not so much.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss:
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On Tuesday the Senate Armed Services Committee held a hearing about the legal treatment of terrorism suspects. The New York Times account emphasizes that Obama administration officials faced resistance from Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and other Republicans on the committee to the idea that people accused of ties to terrorism have a constitutional right to (some sort of) due process. Yet in an exchange with Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), Defense Department General Counsel Jeh Johnson said the president reserves the right to ignore the outcome of that process (emphasis added):
Martinez: If we are doing Article III [civilian] trials…we then also are talking about closing Guantanamo by the end of the year. There’s no way for 220-some-odd people to be prosecuted through some proceeding, whether Article III or military commissions, in that time frame. So where will they then be? I guess they’ll be here. And what about those who are acquitted? Where do they go? What happens to them?
Johnson: You’re correct. You can’t prosecute some significant subset of 229 people before January. So those that we think are prosecutable and should be detained, we will continue to detain, whether it’s at Guantanamo or someplace else. The question of what happens if there’s an acquittal…I think that as a matter of legal authority, if you have the authority under the laws of war to detain someone…it is true irrespective of what happens on the prosecution side.
Martinez: So therefore the prosecution becomes a moot point?
Johnson: Oh no, I’m not saying that at all. You raised the issue of what happens if there’s an acquittal, and in my judgment, as a matter of legal authority…if a review panel has determined this person is a security threat…and should not be released, if for some reason he is not convicted for a lengthy prison sentence, then as a matter of legal authority I think it’s our view that we would have the ability to detain him.
So the Obama administration is all for due process, as long as it produces the correct result. Obama already has said that Guantanamo detainees who cannot be successfully tried by military commissions or civilian courts can still be imprisoned indefinitely if they are considered too dangerous to release. Now Johnson is saying that even those who are prosecuted can be kept imprisoned regardless of the verdict. The only point of prosecuting them, it seems, is to create an impression of due process while continuing the Bush detention policies that Obama condemned during the campaign.
http://reason.com/blog/show/134686.html
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Hope? Change? Not so much. Pandering? Windowdressing for political purposes? Absolutely.
This is what happens when you elect a rookie, who hasn’t entirely thought through the consequences of his stated positions . . . .
Don’t believe the source? Here’s the video:
http://armed-services.senate.gov/Webcasts/2009/July/07-07-09Webcast.htm
For bush shover ready stimulus, would be like in Iraq where you back up the truck and start pitching it out by the shovelfulls.
Another hard day at work for ya, huh, “GMC70?”
Phatmom
Posted July 9, 2009 at 4:15 pm | Permalink
For bush shover ready stimulus, would be like in Iraq where you back up the truck and start pitching it out by the shovelfulls.
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And for mr Obama WPE “shovel ready” means….
“What the he11 is a shovel? I got no idea what i just said.”
lipstick eerrr uh pig…..plumber….
Interesting how “GMC70″ posts just before 4:20.
Guess he’s got better things to do.
Sorta like how “parkay” deposits his daily “Baptist Baby in a Bucket” posts just as he’s leaving the office at 5.
okobserver
Posted July 9, 2009 at 3:08 pm | Permalink
Shovel ready means just what it says. A project can be in the works for months even years but when the powers that be decide to move forward with it and everything is in place it is ’shovel ready’ and workers are brought on site and put to work.
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I posted yesterday a list of places where the “shovel ready” jobs and projects are rolling right along… And yesterday, you tried to argue with me… using almost the reverse of what you just posted…
The “shovel ready” jobs will continue to increase… as well as other stimulus projects… as more of the stimulus funds are released and put into action….
So, what is your problem again??
Okie pulled a Palin?
Again?
heh
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pulling+a+palin
Obama’s emergency, rushed through 1100+ pages 1 trillion+ American Recovery Act. Remember how urgent it was? So urgent no one had time to read it?
And now 14 million Americans unemployed. And that is a conservative estimate. Why, that equals the number of true Americans who lack healthcare insurance!
Unemployment 9.5 percent. And going up.
I am reminded of libs whining about Bush not helping the Katrina victims fast enough.
I should expect to start reading libs complaining about the inefficient Obama Administration soon.
Those poor Americans have lost their homes and savings to the recession. And Obama goes on a european vacation!
Where’s the Stimulus?
Do you have a point to make there, MH?
No? I thought not . . . .
I’d respond to ya, “GMC70,” but you’d have to put in for overtime to respond.
So…
Nevermind.
“Where’s the Stimulus?”
What’s a Stimulus? Is it related to a shovel?
Some quick stats on 13 US states that currently have unemployment above 10%
-10 of the 13 went for the Democract in the Presidential election.
-Nearly two-thirds of these states representatives to the House and Senate are Democrats.
-The majority (a slight) of these states Governors are Democrats.
How’s that workin’ out for yea?
I like the comparison, AmWay….Bush reacted a whole lot quicker to Katrina than bho is to the MILLIONS of unemployed. bho must HATE working people…yeah..that’s it! Now..all we need is some rap singer to proclaim that and get front prage news.
“prage” = “page” minor typo…don’t need the spelling police to have a fit….
I note, MH, you don’t challenge the substance of the post. Why is that?
. . . . oh – you can’t?
What a surprise.
“GMC70″ –
Frankly, counselor, I don’t know.
After Shrub/Cheney denied them habeas corpus. And defied the Geneva Conventions. And released a bunch of the Gitmo prisoners after six or seven years of torture because it turned out they weren’t terrorists in the first place… what does one do with those who might really be dangerous but who have suffered such deep human rights abuses not a jury on the planet would convict them?
Well, we know what George WMD Bush did. He kicked the can down the road ’til he could get out of Dodge and leave his droppings for the current administration to clean up.
I dunno how you handle a situation like that.
Did you offer any suggestions? Y’know… “substance?”
Oh wait…
You can’t.
What a surprise.
Just so you CONs don’t think you’ve chased me up “okobserver’s” imaginary tree, I’m outta here for at least a couple of hours for cocktails and a dinner party.
don’t flatter yourself mh. I could not possibly care less where you go or why.
Ensign, Repubs, what a hoot, who needs soap operas?
“LAS VEGAS – Sen. John Ensign said Thursday his parents gave his mistress and her family nearly $100,000 “out of concern for the well being of longtime family friends during a difficult time,” providing his first public acknowledgment that the woman received payments tied to the affair.
Phantom and MonkeyHock further along their Jerry Springer mentalities.
I’m sure it was just a ‘love offering’.
That gives me an idea for a new reality show, Springer hosts republican congressmen/women who’ve cheated,along with their spouses, and gives them an opportunity to go at each other.
Good idea Phantom,
You can ask “The One” to appear on the and make some comments why his Daddy B.H. O’Bama, Sr. was boinking his second wife while married to his third.
oh oh….sounds like monkey may be going to whatch someone dressing again
What’s in a name?
en·sign (nsn, -sn) KEY
NOUN:
A national flag displayed on ships and aircraft, often with the special insignia of a branch or unit of the armed forces.
A standard or banner, as of a military unit.
Archaic A standard-bearer.
(nsn) Abbr. ENS
A commissioned rank in the U.S. Navy or Coast Guard that is below lieutenant junior grade.
One who holds this rank.
A badge of office or power; an emblem: “I want the seals of power and place,/The ensigns of command,/Charged by the people’s unbought grace,/To rule my native land” (John Quincy Adams).
A sign; a token.
Hey WEBlog, what the heck. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg drops a huge bombshell by telling the truth about what legalized abortion is really all about (actually just a Democrat telling the truth for once would have been earthshaking in itself but I digress) and there is no thread about it. Your mid day-stop the presses thread instead is about the bogus “CIA lied story.
Oh yeah, you must have got the e-mail from DNC headquarters to be sure and run that thread as part of their scheme to make it look like pelosi really didn’t lie about having been briefed about water boarding.
In case you haven’t seen it yet, and hurry because the story will be spiked soon if not already, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg in an interview revealed that for a long time she really believed that legalized abortion was about population control and especially controlling the populations of undesirables. (Blacks, Hispanics, Men?). And here we have been told all along it was about a women’s right to choose. Ginsburg also expounded on the Hyde amendment that prohibits Federal monies from being used to pay for abortions under the medicaid system and how surprised she was when it was upheld in court. Now we know why we must have Socialized Health Care in this Country and why it must include taxpayer funded abortions.
Where are you Mr and Mrs Black America? One of the brightest stars of the party you support overwhelmingly has just slipped up and admitted what you must have known in your heart of hearts all along. Where are you Jesse Jackson Jr. and Sheila Jackson Lee. Calling Maxine Waters and Kanye West. How bout ya Harry Belafonte and Colin Powell. This is not a rightwing fantasy. These are the actual words straight from the lips of one of the most liberal women America has ever produced. I really want to hear you try and explain this one away.
Come on WEBlog. Prove to us that you are serious journalists and not just an arm of the Democrat Party. Give us a thread tomorrow about what Ruth Bader Ginsburg. thought was the real reason for legalized abortion in this Country.
Heres the link to the comments that Ruth Bader Ginsburg made. The interview is scheduled to run in this Sundays edition of the New York Times.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103457
Yeah, it sounds bad, ChrisMac.
She should have to explain what the hell she meant by that.
With a name like “Ginsburg,” I’m assuming that she didn’t think that Jews were the minorities we need less of . . .
I think I’m with Kohn on this, the FED needs to be apolitical (even if Greenspan wasn’t).
“The proposed bill, put forward by Representative Ron Paul, a Texas Republican and long-standing Fed foe, would expose decisions on monetary policy and emergency lending to audits by the Government Accountability Office.
The GAO is currently prohibited from auditing these areas. Kohn said removing this exclusion would be highly detrimental and could lead investors to worry that politics — not economics — would guide the Fed’s decisions.
“The Federal Reserve strongly believes that removing the statutory limits on GAO audits of monetary policy matters would be contrary to the public interest by tending to undermine the independence and efficacy of monetary policy,” Kohn said.
He also said it could “cast a chill” on monetary policy deliberations by making officials nervous that ideas they discuss behind closed doors could become public.
Paul denied his bill was about Fed independence. “We are not looking to the Congress to run monetary policy. We just want to know what’s going on, and why,” he told Kohn.
However, the bill would remove a provision of law that exempts Fed monetary policy decisions, transactions with other central banks and discussions between Fed officials from GAO audits.
CapN — Did you see THIS little gem from Justice Ginsburg???
The Place of Women on the Court
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Q: Let me ask you about the fight you waged for the courts to understand that pregnancy discrimination is a form of sex discrimination.
JUSTICE GINSBURG: I wrote about it a number of times. I litigated Captain Struck’s case about reproductive choice. [In 1972, Ginsburg represented Capt. Susan Struck, who became pregnant during her service in the Air Force. At the time, the Air Force automatically discharged any woman who became pregnant and told Captain Struck that she should have an abortion if she wanted to keep her job. The government changed the regulation before the Supreme Court could decide the case.] If the court could have seen Susan Struck’s case — this was the U.S. government, a U.S. Air Force post, offering abortions, in 1971, two years before Roe.
Q: And suggesting an abortion as the solution to Struck’s problem.
JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes. Not only that, but it was available to her on the base.
Just watched Larry King’s exchange with a street bum.
King was coming out from eating dinner and was approached by a street man panhandling.
Larry gave the guy 5 bucks.
The bum hollars back, “Hey Larry- you owe me twenty!”
Now isn’t that just like Obama?
CapN — Chris there is posting to WND, and we all know how “truthful” they are…. Go to Pg. 4 of the NY Times article, and you will see clearly that what Chris/WND CLAIM Justice Ginsburg said, is basically… phony!!
Katrina was a disaster which impacted a couple of states.
The Recession is impacting the entire nation.
And the Obama Administration ineffective and inefficient management is not getting relief to the fifty states. No stimulus.
P*ss Poor Planning.
P*ss Poor Performance.
Worst president. Ever.
Hard to recover from a Republican/bush tsunami! Will probably take a decade if not more (doesn’t include the decade lost).
A ‘heads up’ for those men who may be regular Home Depot customers.
This one caught me by surprise.
Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite
traumatic. Don’t be naive enough to think it couldn’t happen to you or your friends.
Here’s how the scam works: Two seriously good-looking 20-21 year-old girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping
into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex,with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible not to look. When you thank them and offer them a tip, they
say ‘No’ and instead ask you for a ride to McDonald’s. You agree and they get in the backseat. On the way, they start undressing. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.
I had my wallet stolen Jan 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, 17th,20th, 24th & 29th. Also, Feb 1st, 4th, twice on the 8th, 16th, 23rd,26th, 28th, three times last Saturday and very likely again this upcoming weekend. So tell your friends to be careful.
P.S. Wal-Mart has wallets on sale $2.99 each.
As I predicted months ago, giving FREE MONEY to the states only enables the states to continue their unsound financial practices of spending more than they have. Like enabling an alcoholic – our gubermint hands out money. Without states cutting spending, the cycle will never end.
Cash-strapped states have used federal stimulus dollars to closeshort-term budget gaps and avert major tax increases but generally have term expansion, according to a new report.
The report released Wednesday by the Government Accountability Office, Congress’ investigative arm, found that the $787 billion stimulus
package is being used to “cushion” state budgets, prevent teacher layoffs, make more Medicaid payments and head off other fiscal problems.
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that only 10 percent of the Recovery Act funds have been released so far, with about half of the
money expected to be spent by October 2010. That dispersed money is being used to prioritize short-term projects and needs over more ambitious goals, the GAO report states.
For example, the GAO said about half the money set aside for road and bridge repairs is being used to repave highways, rather than build new
infrastructure. And state officials aren’t steering the money toward counties that need jobs the most, auditors found.
Taxpayers have also recently complained that the federal government has wasted money by advertising stimulus-funded construction projects with road signs which costs between $500 and $1,200 to produce.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/08/states-using-stimulus-money-s
hort-term-needs-study-shows/?test=latestnews
WASHINGTON — An income tax surcharge on highly paid Americans emerged as the leading option Wednesday night as House Democrats sought ways to
pay for health care legislation that President Obama favors, several officials said.
As discussed in the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, the surtax would apply to individuals with adjusted gross income of more
than $200,000 and couples over $250,000, they added. Foxnews
Other than family, I think this is the best thing Democrats can do. The polls said over half of those making more than the above amounts voted democrat in the last election. Polls also show that for the majority of Americans, healthcare is not a crises – but those with insurance have concern for the uninsured. This is going to be a double whamming getting people ticked at libs.
They are getting what they voted for.
A fine example of pitting class against class in America. A fine example of robin hood.
Of course, it’s all wrong, but that’s besides my point.
Amway,
I heard the same thing happened to Chas, but it involved a chimp holding a chihuahua on a leash, with a note pinned to the leash.
Republican candidates lead Democrats for the second straight week in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 41% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 38%
would choose the Democratic candidate.
Support for the GOP remains unchanged this week – at its highest level over the past year, but support for Democrats dropped one point to tie
its lowest level in the same time period.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/
congressional_ballot/generic_congressional_ballot
chihuahua……
LMAO!
Shoulda been a pit bull!
THIS is what Ginsburg actually said in the upcoming NY Times Interview…
“JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae — in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.” [Pg. 4 NY Times Interview set to print July 12] (Access thru WND link above)
Please note that Ginsberg does ot believe that there are populations that we dont want to have too many of(ala, WND emphasis) — but rather what Ginsburg states there was a concern about in the nation…. As usual, WND is a bunch of hacks and liars…
G’night Nay Sayers!!
Reads as if Justice Ginsberg is a follower of Margaret Sanger philosophy in the use of Eugenics and via abortion.
Thanks, Chas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5DYLYHlKvk&feature=related
Joni Mitchell.
I forgot how great she is.
Wow.
Just wow.
That song is so good, even the idiot CONs have to like it . . .
Oh, yeah.
I see now . . . the CONs totally effed up what Ginsburg really said.
Typical World Net Daily crap.
If it sounds unbelievable, it is.
Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.
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Chas how are you intrepreting this quote from Ginsbury you posted. Who do you think she didn’t want to have to many of. Why is MLKs neice now battling against abortions? I know the answer just wondered if you do.
MLK’s granddaughter is led by ignorance. She has been swayed by the nonsense that abortion is hurting African Americans when it is uncontrolled poverty that is hurting African Americans. Adding babies to the mix is even more harmful. She’s not being truthful. Abortion arguement was never about killing off a race. It was by far more white women seeking abortions during that time anyway.
By the way, heard thru the Grapevine about Randall Terry’s visit to Wichita was…well..interesting.
He was attempting to give interviews in front of Dr Tiller’s clinic but was unable to due to unnamed protestors. His band of (3) people and countless protestors (heck some could have been from Operation Rescue West. Anyway, Randall Terry started rubbing up against the protestors touching them and telling them that ‘you women want me’. and slapping himself on the butt in front of the women. EW. What a disgusting pervert. I also understand that the one that was being assaulted by Terry filed a police report.
Gee this guy is even too creepy for Troy Newman. HA.
Oh and Randall Terry informed the women that he was buying a house in wichita. Go confirm that Eagle. It’ll be Terry vs Troy in round after round of entertainment!
“…there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.” [Ginsberg Interview, NYTimes]
Okie, please notice that this is NOT what Ginsberg thinks now OR when Roe was decided… It is her perception of some of the feelings at that time… Surely you arent so BLIND that you cant plainly see that… WND only posts a PART of what Justice Ginsberg says in the interview… I believe in the FULL interview, there are about 3 – 4 paragraphs on the entire issue of abortion…. Try reading the entire interview… set to be printed in this week’s NYTimes….
Ginsbereg is in NO WAY involved in ANY Eugenics ideas… To suggest otherwise, is to trample on her own religious beliefs as a Jewish person…
CapnAmerica
Posted July 9, 2009 at 9:24 pm | Permalink
Oh, yeah.
I see now . . . the CONs totally effed up what Ginsburg really said.
Typical World Net Daily crap.
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Okie.. what CapN posts here is absolutely true… You guys are trying to put words in Ginsberg’s mouth….
As for MLK’s “relative” go read up on what his DAUGHTER Bernice King has to say… Do you think by using the MLK reference, you GAIN anything??? Such a dunce you are….
P-Mom,
Yeah, Terry’s creepy, but not even remotely as creepy as his (and Newman’s) friend Neal Horsley, who has bragged about his love affairs with farm animals. I have no idea how many he’s knocked up, but I’ll bet none of ‘em got abortions!
Oh god where is Parkay when you need him? Prison? Being questioned? Why didn’t you come show the love to your brother?