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What has happened to the GOP?
Ensign, Sanford, Palin: in the past few weeks the party is evidently filled with family-values hypocrites and quitters.
Are things so difficult right now? Is this a result of stress? Is the party breaking up? For example, there are reports that Sarah Palin will quit the GOP and start up a third party. This would be disastrous for the GOP … but defending, retaining, and grooming her for national office may result in even greater disaster for the GOP. Does the GOP have any plans for retaking the Northeast, the upper Midwest, and the West? Or has the GOP been reduced to passively waiting for a Democrat disaster?
What has happened to the GOP?!
Get ready … tomorrow, Tuesday, July 7th is the July Full moon. Also tomorrow, a partial eclipse of the Moon will take place but won’t be visible here in Wichita. Of course, eclipses of the Moon can only take place when the Moon is full because that is when the Moon is on the opposite side of the earth from the Sun. Of course, the Moon will look full for several days before and after the official date.
So at this time, about 6:30 AM, today and tomorrow, the full Moon should be dropping down below the western Sedgwick County horizon, over the Ninnescah River valley between Wichita and Pratt, at the same time the Sun rises up over the Wichita skyline in the east.
HLP, since you live out in the country west of Wichita, is a large full Moon setting out there?
I should have mentioned, the July Full moon is called variously the “Full Buck Moon” or the “Thunder Moon.”
Nevertheless we made our prayer unto our God, and set a watch against them day and night because of them.
“What has happened to the GOP?”—Pendant
No…..they are forming to crush the economically stupidest DimLib party ever.
California’s Nightmare Will Kill Obamanomics: Kevin Hassett
“The California morass has Democrats in Washington trembling. The reason is simple. If Obama’s health-care plan passes, then we may well end up paying for it with federal slips of paper worth less than California’s. Obama has bet everything on passing health care this year. The publicity surrounding the California debt fiasco almost assures his resounding defeat….
California has engaged in an orgy of spending, but, compared with our federal government, its legislators should feel chaste. The California deficit this year is now north of $26 billion. The U.S. federal deficit will be, according to the latest numbers, almost 70 times larger.
Bleak Picture
The federal picture is so bleak because the Obama administration is the most fiscally irresponsible in the history of the U.S. I would imagine that he would be the intergalactic champion as well, if we could gather the data on deficits on other worlds. Obama has taken George W. Bush’s inattention to deficits and elevated it to an art form.
The Obama administration has no shame, and is willing to abandon reason altogether to achieve its short-term political goals. Ronald Reagan ran up big deficits in part because he believed that his tax cuts would produce economic growth, and ultimately pay for themselves. He may well have been excessively optimistic about the merits of tax cuts, but at least he had a story.
Obama has no story. Nobody believes that his unprecedented expansion of the welfare state will lead to enough economic growth. Nobody believes that it will pay for itself. Everyone understands that higher spending today begets higher spending tomorrow. That means that his economic strategy simply doesn’t add up……”
US lurching towards ‘debt explosion’ with long-term interest rates on course to double
“The US economy is lurching towards crisis with long-term interest rates on course to double, crippling the country’s ability to pay its debts and potentially plunging it into another recession, according to a study by the US’s own central bank.
The impact would be devastating by making it punitively expensive to finance national borrowings and leading to what Tim Congdon, founder of Lombard Street Research, called a “debt explosion”. Mr Laubach’s study has implications for the UK, too, as public debt is soaring. A US crisis would have implications for the rest of the world, in any case.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5754447/US-lurching-towards-debt-explosion-with-long-term-interest-rates-on-course-to-double.html
OK folks, something to note for both sides of the aisle to-day. On this date in 1854 the Republican Party was founded in Michigan and on this date in 1923 the USSR was formed.
On this date, Jul 6th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 107 °F (1980)
Low: 55 °F (1972)
Hey, CONs –
How were those 4th of July tea-bagging parties?
“For example, there are reports that Sarah Palin will quit the GOP and start up a third party. ”
Hmmm hadn’t heard that one.
Sounds about right though.
Repub party 1854-2008 R.I.P.
“I would imagine that he would be the intergalactic champion as well, if we could gather the data on deficits on other worlds.”
If you readjust your tin-foil hat, you can enhance these alien transmissions.
The Republicans are hoping for a comeback in the form of another terrorist attack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HtSb7kwTFE
Last time they became powerful it took a few thousand dead Americans. Maybe with tens of thousand dead they’ll become huge.
Remember, coal is still clean.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2124/story/1595574.html?story_link=email_msg
GM bankruptcy sale approved. Poor repubs, this isn’t the type of bankruptcy they’d dreamed of.
“NEW YORK/BANGALORE (Reuters) – A U.S. judge on Sunday approved General Motors Corp’s bankruptcy sale in a move that will allow the company’s most profitable assets to exit bankruptcy protection under government ownership.
Judge Robert Gerber of the U.S. bankruptcy court in Manhattan said the sale would “prevent the death of the patient on the operating table.”
Looks like after paying for wolf creek, we may have to help pay for the dirty coal plants.
Pedant and Phantom seem to be so concerned about the Republican party. Yet we have our best advocate in the White House, spending money like a drunken Democrat, introducing expensive and unnecessary programs like cap and trade, taking over large corporations and getting the government in the health care business.
The way I see it, when it all comes home to roost, and it will, the public will be looking for a way to let their displeasure be known. Now it would be nice if Republicans are there with viable alternatives and big plans. The opportunities will be huge. That should be the focus. Not on whether Parahsalin was mistreated by Letterman or Sotomayor said something stupid 10 years ago. But if not, they won’t have to be that good. Just be there.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
http://patdollard.com/2009/07/july-4-warning-american-gestapo-ahead/
Now here’s another similarity: nationalization of law enforcement. H.R. 675, sponsored by Democrat Rep. Bob Filner, was introduced to:
Provide police officers, criminal investigators, and game law enforcement officers of the Department of Defense with the authority to execute warrants, make arrests, and carry firearms. (Emphasis added.)
Why do employees of the Department of Defense need the authority to execute warrants, make arrests and carry firearms? When the bill was introduced, Filner said: “We need to ensure that federal, state and local law enforcement are able to work together to apprehend criminals and to prevent and solve crimes.”
snip
Take a clue from the authorities granted by the bill:
To execute and serve warrants;
To make arrests without warrants;
To carry firearms;
To enforce federal laws enacted to protect persons or property;
To prevent breaches of the peace and suppress affrays or unlawful assemblies. …
“outlander” admits –
“Now it would be nice if Republicans are there with viable alternatives and big plans….”
Ya think?
Just what are you CONs’ “viable” alternatives?
If you’re gonna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
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US lurching towards ‘debt explosion’ with long-term interest rates on course to double
The US economy is lurching towards crisis with long-term interest rates on course to double, crippling the country’s ability to pay its debts and potentially plunging it into another recession, according to a study by the US’s own central bank
By Philip Aldrick, Banking Editor
Published: 5:44AM BST 06 Jul 2009
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In a 2003 paper, Thomas Laubach, the US Federal Reserve’s senior economist, calculated the impact on long-term interest rates of rising fiscal deficits and soaring national debt. Applying his assumptions to the recent spike in the US fiscal deficit and national debt, long-term interests rates will double from their current 3.5pc.
The impact would be devastating by making it punitively expensive to finance national borrowings and leading to what Tim Congdon, founder of Lombard Street Research, called a “debt explosion”. Mr Laubach’s study has implications for the UK, too, as public debt is soaring. A US crisis would have implications for the rest of the world, in any case.
Using historical examples for his paper, New Evidence on the Interest Rate Effects of Budget Deficits and Debt, Mr Laubach came to the conclusion that “a percentage point increase in the projected deficit-to-GDP ratio raises the 10-year bond rate expected to prevail five years into the future by 20 to 40 basis points, a typical estimate is about 25 basis points”.
The US deficit has blown out from 3pc to 13.5pc in the past year but long-term rates are largely unchanged. Assuming Mr Laubach’s “typical estimate”, long-term rates have to climb 2.5 percentage points.
He added: “Similarly, a percentage point increase in the projected debt-to-GDP ratio raises future interest rates by about 4 to 5 basis points.” Economists are predicting a wide range of ratios but Mr Congdon said it was “not unreasonable” to assume debt doubling to 140pc. At that level, Mr Laubach’s calculations would see long-term rates rise by 3.5 percentage points.
The study is damning because Mr Laubach was the Fed’s economist at the time, going on to become its senior economist between 2005 and 2008, when he stepped down. As a result, the doubling in rates is the US central bank’s own prediction.
Mr Congdon said the study illustrated the “horrifying” consequences for leading western economies of bailing out their banks and attempting to stimulate markets by cutting taxes and boosting public spending. He said the markets had failed to digest fully the scale of fiscal largesse and said “current gilt yields [public debt] are extraordinary low given the size of deficits”.
Should the cost of raising or refinancing public debt in the markets double, “the debt could just explode”, he said, adding that it would come to a head in “five to 10 years”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5754447/US-lurching-towards-debt-explosion-with-long-term-interest-rates-on-course-to-double.html
“Just what are you CONs’ “viable” alternatives?”
They wanted to privatize social security right before the stock market crash.
Apart from that it’s tax cuts for the rich, increase in military spending, bomb Iran, tax cuts for huge corporations, bomb North Korea, more corporate welfare, eliminating medicare and medicaid.
Just about anything that makes the rich richer, the poor poorer and perpetual war. Does anyone expect the Cons to present something serious? Their alternative health care plan was three pages long. They aren’t a serious party, they figure they can preach family values and Jesus then they’ll keep on getting voted in.
Hey, it works for Tiahrt and Brownback.
Heckler,
I wonder if the new ‘police’ will have double lightning bolts on their collars?
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 6, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink
“outlander” admits –
“Now it would be nice if Republicans are there with viable alternatives and big plans….”
Ya think?
Just what are you CONs’ “viable” alternatives?
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I am not a political strategist. Nor do I play one on the blog. But what good would introducing alternative plans do now? They would be ignored and buried. So at this point, just watch and criticize. When elections approach, have them ready so that the Dems can’t say you don’t have any better plans.
Politics, you know.
Hey, repubs, does the U.S. have an obligation to speak out for the poor persecuted Chineese? 140 killed already, many more than in the Iran protests.
Did a Scandal Sink the U.S.S. Palin?
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BS Top – Blumenthal Palin Resigns AP Photo The suddenness of Sarah Palin’s resignation raises questions about whether a coming scandal caused her to leave office. Max Blumenthal looks at one possibility.
Plus: Read more of The Daily Beast’s coverage of Palin’s resignation and the GOP implosion.
The suddenness of Sarah Palin’s resignation Friday raises the question about whether Palin is leaving to avert a major scandal. One logical place to start looking is the affair that has Alaska political circles buzzing: an alleged scandal centered around a building contractor, Spenard Building Supplies, with close ties to Palin and her husband, Todd.
Many political observers in Alaska are fixated on rumors that federal investigators have been seizing paperwork from SBS in recent months, searching for evidence that Palin and her husband Todd steered lucrative contracts to the well-connected company in exchange for gifts like the construction of their home on pristine Lake Lucille in 2002. The home was built just two months before Palin began campaigning for governor, a job which would have provided her enhanced power to grant building contracts in the wide-open state.
SBS has close ties to the Palins. The company has not only sponsored Todd Palin’s snowmobile team, according to the Village Voice’s Wayne Barrett, it hired Sarah Palin to do a statewide television commercial in 2004.
Though Todd Palin told Fox News he built his Lake Lucille home with the help of a few “buddies,” according to Barrett’s report, public records revealed that SBS supplied the materials for the house. While serving as mayor of Wasilla, Sarah Palin blocked an initiative that would have required the public filing of building permits—thus momentarily preventing the revelation of such suspicious information.
Just months before Palin left city hall to campaign for lieutenant governor, she awarded a contract to SBS to help build the $13 million Wasilla Sports Complex. The most expensive building project in Wasilla history, the complex cost the city an additional $1.3 million in legal fees and threw it into severe long-term debt. For SBS, however, the bloated and bungled project was a cash cow.
Prior to her sudden announcement, Palin gave every indication that she intended to complete her tenure as governor.
On July 1, Palin met with Alaska Senator Mark Begich to discuss funding for the missile-defense systems that would be stationed in Alaska. In May, Palin initiated a plan to circumvent the state legislature by introducing a ballot measure that would ban minors from receiving abortions without parental consent. She vowed to be the first to sign the measure event though it would not be certified until August 2010.
In her press conference, Palin blamed the media for her demise. “You are naïve if you don’t see a full-court press on the national level, picking apart a good point guard,” she declared, using a basketball metaphor to refer to the flood of critical stories published about her. Following her resignation, Palin’s attorney issued a statement calling any link between her decision and an investigation into the construction of the Wasilla Sports Complex a “canard,” and that the Palins lawfully purchased materials for their Lake Lucille home from SBS, which was the dominant building supply company in Wasilla. The statement added that Palin would “will be exploring legal options” against anyone who reported as fact the “falsehoods” she resigned because of a federal probe.
On July 1, CBS reported that a story authored by me and journalist David Neiwert for Salon.com in October 2008 about Palin’s ties to a secessionist political party caused her deep personal distress, and provoked a rancorous series of exchanges with her campaign manager, Steve Schmidt. Coupled with a withering profile of Palin published in the August 2009 issue of Vanity Fair, the new round of exposés may have been too much for Palin to stomach.
Palin may have resigned from politics altogether. According to NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, Palin “has told some of her biggest backers in the national Republican Party that they are free to choose other candidates for 2012.” But those choices are dwindling at a surprisingly rapid pace.
Max Blumenthal is a senior writer for The Daily Beast and writing fellow at The Nation Institute. Contact him at maxblumenthal3000@yahoo.com.
Kind of like Mccain keeping his knowing how to get Osama to himself, since he lost the election?
Because the Dems own it. Lock, stock and barrel. If everything works, Republicans won’t be able to make inroads anyway. But if doesn’t, and it can’t, opportunity will be there. We are at the peak of democrat power now. It only goes down from here, thankfully.
“oulander” proposes the CON agenda –
“…just watch and criticize.”
Ah!
The old “sit on the porch and yell at kids playing on your lawn” approach to public policy.
That’ll inspire the electorate.
(CNN) — The FBI, in a rare response to rampant rumors on the Internet, said it is not investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on public corruption charges.
Alaska’s Sarah Palin is stepping down as governor at the end of the month.
“Normally, we don’t confirm or deny those kind of allegations out there. But, by not doing so, it just casts her in a very bad light,” said FBI Special Agent Eric Gonzalez, who confirmed for CNN the statement he made to the Anchorage Daily News. “There is just no truth to those rumors out there in the blogosphere.”
Gonzalez told The Los Angeles Times that there was “no wiggle room” in his comments for any kind of inquiry.
The speculation began almost immediately after Palin’s unexpected announcement on Friday that she would step down as Alaska’s chief executive with 18 months left in her term.
“Phantom” –
Note the FBI specifically omitted Todd Palin’s name from his statement.
Reg
“I wonder if the new ‘police’ will have double lightning bolts on their collars?”
That would be just SPANKIN now wouldnt it?
Grasseater
Palin has been the subject of 12 count them TWELVE ethics investigations.
Result?
12 count them TWELVE dismissals.
Give it a rest.
“For example, there are reports that Sarah Palin will quit the GOP and start up a third party. ”
This rumor makes the most sense. The state secessionists will love her.
The wacko RW WEBloggers here would love another civil war.
Third party makes no sense.
If she runs for Pres. as a Republican though it will take a movement by the regular folks to take the party back from the establishment elitists who’ve run it into the ground since Gingrich stepped out.
He mistook a political problem for a military problem.
He confessed in a memoir that it was “wrong, terribly wrong.”
Robert S. McNamara, R.I.P.
Regular 1980 was the hottest year- I even remember the bank temperature reading 100 degrees at 9am.
Palinites are falling all over themselves to defend her giving up. I think those who think she has a chance in hades now is downright stupid.
“Give it a rest.”
Oh there’s not much chance of that. Fox “news” made the rather bizarre move of re running Greta van Sustern’s Sept. 9 2008 interview with Palin just last night. Almost like they were trying to hit some sort of reset button.
Palin didn’t quit for the reasons she gave. SO, she invited speculation as to what really scared her away.
I think we are seeing the opening act of a civil war in the Republican party.
It was todd and a couple ‘buddies’ that built the million dollar house. Thems sum good ol’ boys.
How many millions did Ks. have to spend on Sebelius investigations? Some people’s actions invite ethics complaints.
Grasseater says-”Palin didn’t quit for the reasons she gave”
And you know this how?
“For example, there are reports that Sarah Palin will quit the GOP and start up a third party. ”
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That would truly signal the end of the GOP. Nationally, the GOP has the same problems as the Kansas GOP, moderates against the far right wing. Palin would get the ultra-cons, but she has no chance with Republican moderates or Independents.
Your first hint, “Heckler” –
…might be the Moose-Dresser’s own explanation:
“I’m passing the ball for victory”
What does that mean, exactly?
Great Moments in Political Rhetoric
“Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans–born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage–and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.” — JFK
“I’m passing the ball for victory!” — The Moose-Dresser
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Phantom
Posted July 6, 2009 at 9:21 am | Permalink
It was todd and a couple ‘buddies’ that built the million dollar house. Thems sum good ol’ boys.
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Well hell Phantom. Why are you so worried about Palin honesty when you nearly doubled the value of their home for effect? I know that it must be disappointing that the FBI said they aren’t investigating, but let’s try to stay in the ballpark.
Further to my post as to the importance of this date in history, 63 years ago the man who presided over the demise of the Republican Party and generated militancy again in Russia was born. His name is George W. Bush.
Well now it’s out about Palin. She will form a new country called Cascadia which will encompass places formerly known as Alaska, The Yukon, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, Wyoming and Montana. The door will be left open for Alberta to join at a later date, but California is a no-no, so the dream of an independant nation will at last be reality for these rugged, poineer folks. Where we got confused by her statements is that we thought “higher calling” to be morality, she meant altitude.
“Now it would be nice if Republicans are there with viable alternatives and big plans”.
That is nice Outlander, but the way the Republicans are going it is nothing more than a nice dream.
The problem with the way the GOP is acting is like a guy standing on a street corner watching the building burn. And saying “Wow, once it is burnt to the ground I bet I can buy that building really cheap!”.
The GOP is not grabbing any hoses and are not trying to get the people out of the burning building. Now is the time to be doing something wonderful, the viable alternatives and big plans. Not afterwards and saying “I was thinking of calling the fire department and rushing to the rescue when I saw the fire. But you know it was not really my call!
If we want the people to see the Republicans as heroes, the hero needs to come along when the helpless need a hero not after the death and destruction.
Speculating about Palin – I see nothing a bunch of ’shaved monkeys’ on ice skates in a blizzard trying to play hockey with glass pucks.
It’s true the Republicans need to stand up and at least act conservative if they are going to have a future, and they need to offer a viable plan.
It’s also true that the Democrats cannot defend their own failed policies and acts of Obama to this point, and so they resort to blaming the Fireman for not coming up with a plan to put out the flaming building, while the Fire Chief stands there scratching his head.
And soon, the Fire Chief will be pointing his finger and blaming others for his own failures. Oh, I guess he’s already done that.
Reagan Lead, Obama Points Finger to Blame Bush
Comparing the early presidencies of Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama shows many distinct differences, but attitude may be the most significant.
Each man campaigned during a nasty economic period, with Reagan campaigning against Carter’s miserable term-long recession, and Obama campaigning against Bush’s bad year. Both attacked their opponents mercilessly. Reagan talked about specific economic changes that needed to be made, including lower taxes, ending inflationary government policies, stimulating business to get people back to work and limiting the growth (or ending the existence) of government programs. Obama talked about change in respect to outcomes. He couldn’t really talk about how he would change Bush’s economic agenda to reach a better outcome (other than raising taxes on “the wealthy”) because his goal was never to change away from Bush’s trajectory, but to increase the speed and amount of government growth. And so he has.
When the economy worsened during Reagan’s first two years, Reagan could lead. He was able to point to the ideas that he campaigned upon, how vastly different they were from what had been done before him, and that in time the big change would come. And so it did. (See 1982 CPAC speech)
Now that is running and leading on “change.” Meanwhile, Obama can not lead. He can not point to any ideas, because his one expressed idea, raising taxes on “the wealthy,” helps nobody. And since the only other change that has occurred is that he took Bush economic policy and put it on steroids, he can’t explain why anyone should expect things to improve. All he can do is look at results, and when that doesn’t help his case, all he can do is blame Bush. And so he does. Relentlessly.
http://www.examiner.com/x-3081-Phoenix-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m6d11-Inheriting-a-poor-economy-Obama-blames-Reagan-Changed
“If we want the people to see the Republicans as heroes, the hero needs to come along when the helpless need a hero not after the death and destruction.”
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Well WD, the reality is there is not a dam thing the Republicans can do. It’s the Dems show. Seriously, what do you suggest they do? Unless you can answer that cogently, you’re just talking to be talking and sound pretty.
So,, it is the job of Democrats to tell Republicans what to propose as alternatives??
Isnt that sort of like the team that is ahead in the ball game, telling the opposing manager which relief pitcher he should use??
I heard Boehner on yesterday debating with Steny Hoyer. He made some very good points.
We are burying the future with an unsustainable debt for programs that are unproven.
This administration has covered up a report by the EPA that states that GW isn’t a threat but a political tool used by the left to justify a huge tax on the middle class.
Health insurance for the masses isn’t a solution it is a statement. A solution would have answers such as how will this be paid for and why are we pushing more and more people into gov programs as this plan will do.
At this point in time this is all the GOP can do Dog. They aren’t in control in either house of congress or the executive branch obviously.
What would you have them do. Here is a chance for you to put forth a solution or even some action you think the GOP can do.
Chas just because you don’t recognize what the GOP says as a solution doesn’t mean your team is winning. It just means that your team is up to bat. Three outs and the other team is in control.
BTW Warren Buffet has now said the Cap and Trade bill is nothing but the largest tax increase in history.
First Powell and now Buffet. The dems base is cracking.
Cap & Trade has no economics consequence whatsoever, unless all that CON talk about “CLEAN” was nothing but lies.
Which is it, CONs?
Sorry you missed the analogy, Okie!!
Chas
Posted July 6, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink
So,, it is the job of Democrats to tell Republicans what to propose as alternatives??
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chuckle… Chas: Although WD may sound like a Democrat sometimes, unless I missed something, I don’t think he is one yet.
But one other thing WD; most people still think they are being rescued by the Obama. They will have to face some pain before they would view Republican intervention (if it were possible) as anything more than obstructionism.
So, outlander…
What are yur alternative proposals?? Or do you expect the Democrats to come up with your proposals for you??
“This Independence Day weekend marked the second incarnation of the fabled Tea Party movement, protesting the government’s growing involvement in economic matters. And, just like the first go-around, the July 4 protests saw an elected Republican official, undoubtedly hoping to harness some of that the popular unrest, taking the stage to a chorus of boos.
This time the recipient of the unforgiving welcome was Republican Sen. John Cornyn. The crowd yelled at Cornyn, called him a traitor and shouted that he was “the problem” when he took the stage in Austin.”
Oh dear…
outlander
Posted July 6, 2009 at 10:58 am | Permalink
But one other thing WD; most people still think they are being rescued by the Obama. They will have to face some pain before they would view Republican intervention (if it were possible) as anything more than obstructionism.
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ANY alternatives offerred by the Republicans are seen as obstructionism.
And yet the Dems here still beg for more Republican alternatives, so they can continue to cry obstructionism.
In spite of having a full majority in Congress and the White House, the Dems will have the gall to blame the obstructionists for the Democrat failures.
After Israel is given the Green Light by the USA to attack Iran, Iran threatens action again.
Iran Warns of Action if Israel Attacks Nuke Sites
Monday, July 06, 2009
Associated Press
TOKYO — Iran is ready to take “real and decisive” action if Israel attacks its nuclear facilities, a senior Iranian parliamentary official said Monday.
The remarks by Alaeddin Broujerdi, the head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy, came after U.S. Vice President Joe Biden signaled that Washington would not try to prevent any such Israeli assault.
(I hope Obama doesn’t back down to Russia and give up America’s missile defense.)
Chas
Posted July 6, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink
So,, it is the job of Democrats to tell Republicans what to propose as alternatives??
Isnt that sort of like the team that is ahead in the ball game, telling the opposing manager which relief pitcher he should use??
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Chas I was merely using your baseball analogy to point to the obvious. Any GOP solutions put forward are discounted and the party line ‘the party of no’ is repeated.
So I said that as in the baseball world the political team in the field has to wait until their time at bat to score.
What did I get wrong here?
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DavidB
Posted July 6, 2009 at 11:06 am | Permalink
“This Independence Day weekend marked the second incarnation of the fabled Tea Party movement, protesting the government’s growing involvement in economic matters. And, just like the first go-around, the July 4 protests saw an elected Republican official, undoubtedly hoping to harness some of that the popular unrest, taking the stage to a chorus of boos.
This time the recipient of the unforgiving welcome was Republican Sen. John Cornyn. The crowd yelled at Cornyn, called him a traitor and shouted that he was “the problem” when he took the stage in Austin.”
Oh dear…
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Should have known better than to plan something like that in Austin. It doesn’t get much more liberal than that town. Sounds like the wacked out UT professors were there, ready for him.
‘Course, David, where did that little snippet come from?
outlander responds to the grass-roots populist discontent with an owned special-interest POL as “well, those aren’t real people.”
Yeah, they’re fake people . . . in CON World . . .
Dick Morris had this to say. For a change, he hit the nail on the head.
GOP: Stand your ground
By Dick Morris
Posted: 06/30/09 02:50 PM [ET]
Only the Senate and House Republicans can save Obama now by compromising and lending his extremist legislation the veneer of bipartisanship in order to remove it as a political issue.
If the likes of GOP Sens. Olympia Snowe (Maine), Susan Collins (Maine), Chuck Grassley (Iowa), Orrin Hatch (Utah) and others refuse to go along with Obama on healthcare and on cap-and-trade, they will force him to pass both programs as one-party bills. Not only is it possible that as public support runs out on these measures he will fail even to get 50 votes to pass them, but it is likely that even if they go through, they doom his administration to perpetual unpopularity.
Obama is, quite simply, stuck with these programs as a result of his campaign promises. But they will become larger and larger burdens to carry as their unpopularity increases.
Already, only 50 percent of voters indicate agreement with “Obama’s healthcare reforms” while 45 percent register opposition. As it becomes increasingly obvious that these changes will endanger the healthcare of all Americans, the popularity of the program will fall. And once it becomes clear that the only way to fund it is to tax healthcare premiums paid by employers (after Obama specifically attacked McCain for making the same proposal), the ratings of the program — and of all who supported it — will drop even more sharply.
As Eileen McGann and I point out in our new book, Catastrophe, the correct way to expand coverage is first to increase the supply of doctors and nurses and then to ask them to treat more patients. But it stands as a simple fact that if the same number of doctors are asked to treat 50 million new patients, the quality of medical care for the rest of the population will drop.
If healthcare reform fails to pass, it will be just as destructive to Obama as the failure of HillaryCare to pass was to the Clinton administration. And if it passes, with its taxes and medical rationing, it will prove even more of a drain on his ratings. If you thought the anti-HMO reaction of the 1980s — with its move for a “patients’ bill of rights” — was hot, the reaction to government rationing and to higher taxes will be even sharper.
By passing cap-and-trade, Obama will inherit the utility rate issue, long the single most potent one at the state and local level. The number of governors who have lost over utility rates (or attorneys general, like Bill Clinton, who got elected because of them) testify to the political potency of this issue. Now, with cap-and-trade, it is a federal issue Republicans can deploy to win elections.
Traditionally, voter distrust of the often cozy relationship between utility companies and Republican politicians has made utility rates a Democratic issue. Just as taxes is a Republican theme, utility rates — at the state level — are a Democratic mainstay.
But cap-and-trade reverses this political logic and makes higher utility rates a major issue for Republicans.
And, when the adverse impact of cap-and-trade on American manufacturing becomes apparent, it will turn blue-collar and labor union voters against the president.
The question for Republicans is simple: By lending Obama Republican votes, in return for minor concessions, they are letting him escape the inevitable political damage these issues will cause. There is a time for triangulation, but now is the time to stand firm in strong opposition and not to be bought off by compromises.
Even if Obama sheds the public option on health insurance providers and lets all the participants in his “insurance exchange” come from the private sector, the government-forced rationing that will still ensue will make this one of the most unpopular programs of all time. Republicans should not, under any circumstances, give this bill even a single vote. To do so would be to give Obama an out, doom America to a deteriorating healthcare system and take away the Republican Party’s best shot for regaining political power and majority status.
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 10:51 am | Permalink
Health insurance for the masses isn’t a solution it is a statement. A solution would have answers such as how will this be paid for and why are we pushing more and more people into gov programs as this plan will do.
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Platitudes are not plans.
Nice sounding expensive bills are not plans. They are pork payoffs to buy the next election.
Dems are crying here about no Republican plan, yet they can’t defend the failure of Obama’s Nationalist bailouts and pork spending to bring America out of this economic recession.
The Dem Plan is:
-Massive pork spending.
-Bailouts for the rich banks.
-Nationalizing Auto companies too.
-Tax increases disguised as Cap & Trade & Environmental plans, which do nothing to save the Environment.
-Scr ewing up everyone’s healthcare to take care of 20 million illegal immigrants and 27 million Americans without healthcare.
How do you KNOW that illegal aliens are included in that 47 million?? After all, the claim is that 47 million Americans are without health insurance…
Let’s see some PROOF from the nay sayers that any of those 47 million are in fact illegal aliens….
When has Obama ever said that people with health insurance have to SWITCH?? Hmmm???
After the election the D’s told the R’s to ‘Sit down and shut up!’.
Well, you asked for it and you won the majority.
Deal with it.
Looks like I capped the “Cap & Trade” discussion with my question about “clean coal.”
Now all the CONs have is hot air.
August 28, 2007
Almost half of uninsured in America are illegal aliens – UPDATED II
Poverty is down and median income is up, according to just released census figures 2006, Current Population Survey. (pdf) Reporting: Molly Henneberg, Fox News Channel.
2006: number of uninsured in America 47 million people, or 15.8% of the population.
2005: number of uninsured in America 44.8 million people, or 15.3% of the population.
Joseph Antos, American Enterprise Institute, looks inside the numbers, because they are very misleading.
uninsured who are NOT U.S. CITIZENS IS 45% of the 47 million.
Broken down by age, 18 – 24 years old – 29.3% of the 47 million.
25 – 35 years old – 26.9% of the 47 million.
Broken down by salary, $75,000 or more per year – 8.5% of the 47 million.
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2007/08/health-care-hyp.html
Palin’s Family Resigns To Spend More Time With New Alaska Governor — Scott Clevenger
WASILLA, Alaska — In a stunning announcement, Sarah Palin’s children said they will resign from her family in a few weeks. Speculation has swirled for several months that the Governor’s children would step down if Palin entered the 2012 presidential race, and today’s resignation is being taken by many as a firm indication of Governor Palin’s plans for her political future. Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell will be inaugurated as her successor at the Governor’s Picnic at Pioneer Park in Fairbanks on Sunday, July 26. An emotionally choked-up Parnell said he plans to keep all state commissioners, and all children currently serving in the First Family.
In their statement, the Palin children — Spoor, Twig, Benzene, Skeeter, and Scat — said that the “media circus” surrounding their mother made it “difficult to focus on the job to which Alaskans indirectly elected us.” They concluded by pledging that their forthcoming adoption by Lt. Governor Parnell would “help to restore honor and dignity to the First Family.”
Thanks Ok for the numbers.
Let’s see, 45% of the 47 million would be:
21,150,000 illegal immigrants counted as uninsured Americans.
Sorry Chas, I rounded and posted 20,000,000 illegal immigrants were uninsured.
My bad.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 6, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink
Looks like I capped the “Cap & Trade” discussion with my question about “clean coal.”
Now all the CONs have is hot air.
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Monkey: Just because you make a dumb comment that no one wants to respond to, doesn’t mean you’ve done anything more than make a dumb comment.
Let’s see, using round numbers:
47,000,000 uninsured Americans.
21,000,000 uninsured illegal immigrants called Americans.
26,000,000 uninsured Legal Americans.
4,000,000 Americans uninsured who earn >$75,000/yr and can afford health insurance
That leaves 21,000,000 uninsured Americans earning less then $75,000 who might need help getting health insurance.
So we scr ew up the health insurance for 250,000,000 Americans to take care of the 21,000,000 who might need help getting health insurance.
Sounds like we need a SMALLER more targeted plan. Not a Big Fat ObamaCare Spending Spree.
outlander
Posted July 6, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 6, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink
Looks like I capped the “Cap & Trade” discussion with my question about “clean coal.”
Now all the CONs have is hot air.
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Monkey: Just because you make a dumb comment that no one wants to respond to, doesn’t mean you’ve done anything more than make a dumb comment.
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I second that comment on not making a comment.
Also, I believe the comment you think was so devastating referred to “CLEAN”, whatever the heck that is. Did you mean “CLEAN COAL”?
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Monkeyhawk
Posted July 6, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink
Cap & Trade has no economics consequence whatsoever, unless all that CON talk about “CLEAN” was nothing but lies.
Which is it, CONs?
So what’s the deal with “CLEAN” coal, “outlander?”
If you CONs weren’t lying about it Cap & Trade would be moot.
Kansas Abortion Methods 2008
Method of Abortion:
Suction curettage 7,477
Sharp curettage 3
Dilation & Evacuation 932
Medical Procedure I 1,900
Medical Procedure II 0
Intra-uterine prostaglandin instillation 0
Hysterotomy 0
Hysterectomy 0
Digoxin/Induction 330
“Partial Birth” Procedure 0
Other 0
Not Stated 0
Total Reported 10,642
http://www.kdheks.gov/hci/abortion_sum/08itop1.pdf
Suction curettage is the favorite Abortion Method in Kansas.
Suction Curettage Abortion
A common first trimester abortion procedure is the suction and curettage method. The abortionist begins by dilating the mom’s cervix until it is large enough to allow a cannula to be inserted into her uterus. The cannula is a hollow plastic tube that is connected to a vacuum-type pump by a flexible hose. The abortionist runs the tip of the cannula along the surface of the uterus causing the baby to be dislodged and sucked into the tube – either whole or in pieces. Amniotic fluid and the placenta are likewise suctioned through the tube and, together with the other body parts, end up in a collection jar. Any remaining parts are scraped out of the uterus with a surgical instrument called a curette. Following that, another pass is made through the mom’s uterus with the suction machine to help insure that none of the baby’s body parts have been left behind. The contents of the collection jar are examined to assure that all fetal parts and an adequate amount of tissue commensurate with gestational age are present.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/medical/suctionexplanation.htm
“JimJohnson” notes –
““Partial Birth” Procedure 0″
So you CONs have been lying about that all along, huh?
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 6, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink
“JimJohnson” notes –
““Partial Birth” Procedure 0?
So you CONs have been lying about that all along, huh?
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So you Libs have been fighting for nothing all along, huh?
So Monkey, just to clarify your vague language, what is your imagined “deal” on “clean coal” technology that conservatives are supposed to be lying about?
BTW, Monkey, those stats are just Kansas.
Not all states have such public reporting requirements, so it’s impossible to tell how many partial birth abortions you Democrats have been advocating all these years.
Stab.
Jab.
Suck.
Pull.
Dilation and Extraction/Evacuation is partial birth.
If they did this to puppies PETA would be going for the death penalty.
Obama out securing Global cooperation against the war on Al-Quida/taliban. All we ever got from bush was a laughable ‘coalition of the willing’, that turned out not to be all that willing. Observe what a true leader looks like.
Poor Roeder, still trying to stay in touch with his anti-abortion cohorts.
39% of the mothers in Kansas having an abortion last year, had one or more abortions previously.
4,141 women who couldn’t figure out how to:
Take the before pill
Take the after pill
Use the patch
Get an IUD
Use a rubber
Abortion, just another form of birth control.
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 12:26 pm | Permalink
If they did this to puppies PETA would be going for the death penalty.
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Yup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX_0MVOUytU
Phantom when we see results from the bowing and scraping Obama is doing then I will pat him on the back – until then we have an apologist that is making himself look like a fool in a nation that is supplying parts for the North Korean missles detonated this past weekend.
Get back to me when that happens.
Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks! Global temperatures ‘have plunged .74°F since Gore released ‘An Inconvenient Truth’
June 2009 saw another drop in global temps
Sunday, July 05, 2009
By Marc Morano – Climate Depot
The latest global averaged satellite temperature data for June 2009 reveals yet another drop in the Earth’s temperature. This latest drop in global temperatures means despite his dire warnings, the Earth has cooled .74°F since former Vice President Al Gore released “An Inconvenient Truth” in 2006.
uninsured who are NOT U.S. CITIZENS IS 45% of the 47 million.
Broken down by age, 18 – 24 years old – 29.3% of the 47 million.
25 – 35 years old – 26.9% of the 47 million.
Broken down by salary, $75,000 or more per year – 8.5% of the 47 million.
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Let’s do some math >>>>
29.3% + 26.9% + 8.5% = 64.7%
BUT,it is claimed that those non-Americans are 45%
64.7% + 45% = 109.7%
Hmmmm…. looks like somebody doesnt know how to ADD…
Chas: I’m embarrassed for you man.
How does one determine whether NON U.S. Citizens have health insurance, or not??
Outlander, Those percentages were posted by somebody else… I just added them up… and, sorry dude, the numbers dont add up…
What can I say??
Hmmmm…. looks like somebody doesnt know how to ADD…
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Yes, go back to school Chas.
aDD IT FOR YOURSELF, anti… uSE A cALCULATOR!!
Chas,
Not sure if my language is correct, but three different scenarios or sub-cultures within the 45%.
One can be both an illegal alien, 25-35 years old and make in excess of $75,000 a year.
Chas a clue for you – bless your heart.
Do you think that all non-insured are insured or non-insured? Take it from there man. You can do it.
eRROR ALERT.. ERROR ALERT…
29.3% + 26.9% + 8.5% = 64.7%
should be >>>> 29.3% + 26.9% + 8.5% = 64.7%
Oooops I thought I made an error, but I was wrong…
AND…. 64.7% + 45% = 109.7% STILL
I think SOMEbody is so hard up opposed to health care, thast they are just making up numbers out of thin air!!! LOL
Chas can an uninsured person be an illegal AND between the ages of 25-35?
Come on man. Don’t turn this into another SS discussion.
I think someone is so wanting to push socialized healthcare that commonsense has left them.
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink
Chas a clue for you – bless your heart.
Do you think that all non-insured are insured or non-insured? Take it from there man. You can do it.
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Bless your little alzheimers brain, lady… The numbers posted said 45% of the 47million NON Citizens have NO INSURANCE…
Add that to the other figures… It adds up to more than 100%… just as I posted…. Your trite little attempt at a diversion is totally meaningless….
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Mr_Kia
Posted July 6, 2009 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
Chas,
Not sure if my language is correct, but three different scenarios or sub-cultures within the 45%.
One can be both an illegal alien, 25-35 years old and make in excess of $75,000 a year.
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Kia, your “solution” is just as wrong as Okie’s… ACCORDING to what was posted…
45% of uninsured are NON-CITIZENS…. Did you read that line??? Or are you just being obtuse??
IF they are in the 29-35 age range, illegals, and make more than $75,000 — Which category would they be in??? Well, of course, genius, they would be in the NON CITIZEN GROUP!!!
Do play again…. All you are trying to do now is twist the numbers posted earlier, to make them say NOW something that they didnt say when posted….
Carry on…. I’m not going to spend this really nice day arguing this sort of stupidity….
ADD UP THE NUMBERS POSTED….
Outta here at 1:29 p.m.
Charles when someone is as obtuse as you are it is best to just walk away. Have a great day!
Don’t you people know not to give Chas an ARITHMETIC problem?
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Permalink
Chas can an uninsured person be an illegal AND between the ages of 25-35?
Come on man. Don’t turn this into another SS discussion.
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Sure, dopey…. BUT… they would be a part of the 45% NON-CITIZENS…. how stupid can you get???
Chas’s new math:
16 % earning over 75,000 drive a Lexus
25 % earning under 75,000 drive KIA’s
The rest drive Government Motors cars from U.S. O’Bama.
Therefor five hundred thousand people drive O’Bama manufactured cars and drink coca cola, sharing a common straw.
PLEASE NOTE —-
In the original post, 45% of uninsured people were stated to be NON-CIIZENS… The term “illegal alien” is not listed in that breakdown…. but would certainly be included –just as would be a German or Australian NON-CITIZEN without health insurance…
Now, go twist on that one for a while….
And now, my daughter needs help with the lawn mower… outta here at 1:35 p.m.
Regular
Posted July 6, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink
Chas’s new math:
16 % earning over 75,000 drive a Lexus
25 % earning under 75,000 drive KIA’s
The rest drive Government Motors cars from U.S. O’Bama.
Therefor five hundred thousand people drive O’Bama manufactured cars and drink coca cola, sharing a common straw.
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Nice try at a HUGE red herring, Reggie… You’re even down to twisting your OWN figures into total irrelevance!!
Obtuse? Someone watched Shawshank Redemption this weekend didn’t they? LOL
Actually your understanding of the post is obtuse.
Illegal aliens is one sample of the 47,000,000.
The age groups are another sample of the 47,000,000.
The income level is a third sample of the 47,000,000.
Not all one sample of the 47,000,000 persons, especially since age and income levels have zero to do with country of citzenship.
Look up statistical samples and get back to us.
Please.
The problem is with what the Republicans have put forward has been based not on the on the ground observances. It came from tried and true efforts from twenty years ago. When the economy was still standing and not going in slow circles down the drain. Tax breaks will not help when the problem is not being overly taxed. In fact as for now the answer would be to look over the current tax breaks and see just where they benefit and where they do not.
Instead of fighting every spending for the sake of just fighting spending. Be constructive in guiding spending. There is a need for above and beyond normal spending but make it wise and to the point.
A good example would have been the cash for clunkers program, it is one that could have been fought and won with a focus. There were several such spending that could have been fought out.
Instead the Republicans focused on Rats and High speed train route that were not even a part of the package. The GOP tried to be witty instead of factual.
Both parties are suffering from being anal retentive on select parts of health care. As such both are putting up entire plans and suggestion based on one or two precepts. Both are losing the real answers and not addressing all the real problems.
Chas, did you know that increasing a 5% sales tax to 6% is a 20% increase in the sales tax?
And did you know that decreasing a 6% sales tax to 5% is a 16.6% decrease in the sales tax?
ChasMath is a perfect illustration of the problem with public schools.
Writer you used a lot of words but I don’t get the drift of what you said.
We passed and spent lots of money for a stimulus plan that was supposed to keep the unemployment rate at 8%. It didn’t. Now you are saying the economy is going down the drain. Agreed. I knew this before the election. You knew this before the election. Are you saying the community orgainizer DIDN’T know this before the election.
Come on. It sounds like your solution is to just keep taxing more and when you can’t tax enough to keep spending as Obamas is doing we should just print more money.
Well in my opinion a massive tax cut which leaves the money in the hands of the consumer to spend will stimulate the economy much more that giving more to the government which will sink it into more gov programs. Money spent on Main Street is always better than money collected by the gov to stimulate growth. This is a tried and proven solution.
Chas
Posted July 6, 2009 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
How does one determine whether NON U.S. Citizens have health insurance, or not??
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¿tienes seguro de salud
Dog if my daughter wanted a new prom dress and I told $50 was all she could spend for one. That is all of the money I have and I don’t want to go into debt.
She goes to the first store and the dress she likes is $200. She goes to the second store and the dress she picks out is only $100. Which dress should she get?
My budget is $50. She shouldn’t get either until she either earns the other $50 or $150. That way she can pay for the dress she wants.
This is like healthcare. No matter how beautiful the dress – we can’t afford it as a nation. We have to be able to pay for it. Not print new money. Not cut essentials like the military.
That my friend is life. The government should live by the same rules you and I do.
OKO one tax cut that could be cut itself is the one that give a tax cut for the companies that move their operations and manufacturing over seas. It does not benefit the U.S. as it actually give a benefit to bleeding the U.S. economy.
Chas
Posted July 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink
Nice try at a HUGE red herring, Reggie… You’re even down to twisting your OWN figures into total irrelevance!
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duh…
That was the point of the post.
How was the drive back from Texas? Save any souls down there on July 5th?
Actually Dog they aren’t given a tax break. By taking their companies overseas they don’t owe US tax on profits they make.
The money they make is kept off shore and is used to grow and expand their off shore enterprises. By doing this the US is losing the stimulus to the economy they would have by allowing this money back into the country with a reasonable tax rate such as Ireland has 13%. Even Clinton saw the wisdom of this and extended a tax holiday to these corporation which saw over $30 billion dollars re-enter the US.
It is a fairy tale to believe that the solution to our problems is to tax corporations both local and off shore. The final cost of the products will always include this tax increase. We will pay for these. We penalize our own corporations by loading them up with high taxes and they are then unable to compete globally. We need businesses much more than they need us. They produce jobs which inturn spur the economy. If they aren’t allowed a level playing field in the US they will find one somewhere else.
“How was the drive back from Texas? Save any souls down there on July 5th?” [Reggie]
Where do you find such stupidity as this??
ID10T
I know the 4th is over but feel it is never to late to remember what we were really celebrating.
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his Ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.
Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots.
It’s not much to ask for the price they paid – Remember: freedom is never free!
What I was saying OKO is that the major problem is lack of spending, there for the only organization that is large enough to make a impact. Is the U.S. Government not saying the spending should be willy-nilly ( Boy did I just address my age? LOL) But that it be more focused and prudent, still large spending though.
Our economy is a symbolic affair, money does not stay in one place as it has became now.
Tell your daughter that she needs to go to the fabric store and buy a pattern and cloth for the dress.
With the money left find a good seamstress who will sew the dress. This seamstress may not be a professional. But that does not mean she is not good for the money.
Now that fifty dollars has been used at the fabric store who will pay their employees who will then take the money and buy food and other things. The Seamstress will likewise spend that money she received.
Your daughter has her dress and that fifty dollars is moving through the economy.
Or tell your daughter she needs to get a job and you will add that fifty dollars but it is up to her to come up with the remainder. Believe me there are still plenty of jobs that do not pay a living but will pay enough to afford the remainder. Perhaps it might even be at the dress shop where the dress she wants is.
Or in Lou of the remaining fifty dollars for hundred dollar one she could do some work there.
That last suggestion is a kin to what you are pointing at, profit for a future effort. That money spend is to be paid for with future efforts and deeds. why because the need of now will not go away. But it is still a real need. That is inescapable, the alternative is a failure of our total economy and becoming so weak that there is no hope for over a hundred years.
as it is there are far more things need to happen before the economy and the life blood of this country recovers. It is often pointed to by both sides of FDR and WWII, I question if this country could pull off what it did in the forties? It was the expansive spending of the Government for weapons and supplies for the war that brought the country about. The problem today is that WE the United States does not have a ready made manufacturing in place as we did then. In 1941 it only took us six months to be up to fighting the Japanese. That with a manufacturing base who provided and made almost everything the people used and needed. How long would it take today?
Dog you addressed all of the problems we currently have. The biggest being that we are no longer a manufacturing nation but a nation of consumers.
What created this problem and what can we do about it? We first have to be a nation that treats our job creators from the smallest businesses to the largest manufacturers as a welcome part of our economy. We need them. They can go anywhere to make their products. We also need to be a country that encourages everyone to buy American. This will only happen when the prices of the products we make and the quality of the products we make are superior. This once again goes back to making an environment that doesn’t punish our manufacturers with asinine Cap & Trade taxes or raising corporate taxes.
This is cutting our own throats. The dems see this as their solution to the economic problems we now face. I don’t agree that the depression was ended by war spending although it did help. I have talked to people that got through it and they point to the hard work of the citizens of this great country of ours. People helping others. The crime rate was down because you didn’t rob your friends who were hurting as much as you were.
Compare that to where we are today.
How about developing CLEAN ENERGY technologies, businesses and products the whole world will increasingly need?
DavidB… We already have a lot of that, and the new energy bill will help out with a lot more resources…
DavidB the rest of the world sees the real science and isn’t buying the GW alarmists. There would be no market for what you are selling.
I agree with cleaning up the smokestacks and other things we can do without killing industry. Reason has to have a voice here.
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink
August 28, 2007
Joseph Antos, American Enterprise Institute, looks inside the numbers, because they are very misleading.
uninsured who are NOT U.S. CITIZENS IS 45% of the 47 million.
Broken down by age, 18 – 24 years old – 29.3% of the 47 million.
25 – 35 years old – 26.9% of the 47 million.
Broken down by salary, $75,000 or more per year – 8.5% of the 47 million.
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2007/08/health-care-hyp.html
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Okie’s original post, until she and her friends tried to re-write the numbers, so the percentages wont add up to 104.7%, as they do in the above figurs….
Typical of CONS and their deluded ideas…
Oh well, the beat goes on….
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink
DavidB the rest of the world sees the real science and isn’t buying the GW alarmists. There would be no market for what you are selling.
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C’mon, Okie… be real, for a change… At no point did DavidB mention ONE WORD about GW Alarmists in his above post… NOT ONE WORD!!!
You want people to treat your posts with integrity??? Well, lady, this is one of the biggest reasons NOT to… :-)
The federal picture is so bleak because the Obama administration is the most fiscally irresponsible in the history of the U.S. I would imagine that he would be the intergalactic champion as well, if we could gather the data on deficits on other worlds. Obama has taken George W. Bush’s inattention to deficits and elevated it to an art form.
The Obama administration has no shame, and is willing to abandon reason altogether to achieve its short-term political goals. Ronald Reagan ran up big deficits in part because he believed that his tax cuts would produce economic growth, and ultimately pay for themselves. He may well have been excessively optimistic about the merits of tax cuts, but at least he had a story.
Obama has no story. Nobody believes that his unprecedented expansion of the welfare state will lead to enough economic growth. Nobody believes that it will pay for itself. Everyone understands that higher spending today begets higher spending tomorrow. That means that his economic strategy simply doesn’t add up.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTKrn1jUJwdE
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This from a very interesting article on the California situation and its similarity to the federal one.
Just take wind turbines as an example…
There are the engineers and electricians who design those big gentle giants…
There are the factory workers that BUILD them…
There are the consruction workers who put them together…
There are the truckers who haul them…
There are the sales personnel who SELL them…
ALL of those various jobs will only increase with the ever widening use of wind power… not only in the USA, but all over the world…
And dont put up some screed post about Ted Kennedy… He wont be around forever… And those who see the potential will ultimately vote against him….
US lurching towards ‘debt explosion’ with long-term interest rates on course to double
The US economy is lurching towards crisis with long-term interest rates on course to double, crippling the country’s ability to pay its debts and potentially plunging it into another recession, according to a study by the US’s own central bank
By Philip Aldrick, Banking Editor
Published: 5:44AM BST 06 Jul 2009
Alan Greenspan, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, is blamed by many for keeping interest rates too low for too long
Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, has expressed his concern over the scale o the US deficit
The deficit is just one of the financial headaches confronting US President Obama, pictured here at the G20 Summit
The US budget deficit is expected to reach about 12pc of the country’s gross domestic product this year
George Soros, the billionaire investor, has been among those to express concern about the size of the US deficit and those of other economies
Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, pictured here with Tim Geither, has acknowledged that the mountain of US debt needs to be reined in
Politicians around the world have said that the bigger deficits are a necessary consequence of keeping a global depression at bay
Bank of England Governor Mervyn King, pictured on the right, has given explicit warnings to Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, to cut the deficit
UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown is arguing that more Government spending will prop up the economy and help cut the deficit
In a 2003 paper, Thomas Laubach, the US Federal Reserve’s senior economist, calculated the impact on long-term interest rates of rising fiscal deficits and soaring national debt. Applying his assumptions to the recent spike in the US fiscal deficit and national debt, long-term interests rates will double from their current 3.5pc.
The impact would be devastating by making it punitively expensive to finance national borrowings and leading to what Tim Congdon, founder of Lombard Street Research, called a “debt explosion”. Mr Laubach’s study has implications for the UK, too, as public debt is soaring. A US crisis would have implications for the rest of the world, in any case.
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The world is watching and many don’t like what they are seeing. The looming cost to service our debt set to double in the near future should tell all politicians to put a stop to the deficit spending.
No more excuses for implementing programs to make Obama look as if he is looking after the nation.
Demand action now to stop this idiocy.
California has been in big trouble since they fired (re-called) Gov. Gray Davis… LONG before Obama was even thinking about being President…
Okie, once again, proves that she WANTS Obama, and America, to FAIL… What a joke…
And then we get insane quotes like: The Obama administration has no shame, and is willing to abandon reason altogether ”
The “rest of the world” is rejecting carbon emission reductions?? WHAHHAHA??? .. well, true, if the ‘rest of the world’ means a vocal minority of Republicans.
But, the UK, Spain, Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, France, and, well let’s include nearly all industrialized nations, are all onboard . . .
And then we get insane quotes like: The Obama administration has no shame, and is willing to abandon reason altogether ”
The “rest of the world” is rejecting carbon emission reductions?? WHAHHAHA??? .. well, true, if the ‘rest of the world’ means a vocal minority of Republicans.
But, the UK, Spain, Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, France, and, well let’s include nearly all industrialized nations, are all onboard . . .
Chas these gentle giants have already been designed so no job growth there. Many are in place and churning out energy. Problems have been found which preclude us from depending on them as a constant source of energy.
But the real problem remains – we have become a nation of consumers. We need more job growth than the few that would be realized by more wind energy. You are taking a simplistic view of the entire picture.
What do we do for energy until a more reliable ‘clean’ energy is found? How are we addressing the delivery system currently at work in our country? What will semis run on. What will trains run on. How will any suburban city like Wichita operate with such poor public transportation systems. How will families get around with the cars that Obama is advocating GM makes?
Many more questions than these and this administration is walking around with their head in the sand and the checkbook open.
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Permalink
Chas these gentle giants have already been designed so no job growth there. Many are in place and churning out energy. Problems have been found which preclude us from depending on them as a constant source of energy.
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So there is no engineer who can fix “the problems” you speak of?
Grannie…you are well past irrelevant because you don’t even see the contradiction within your own words.
According to the okie quitter (why should we listen to what a quitter says anyway?) there can be NO IMPROVEMENTS made in wind energy.
Done deal. Perfection achieved!
Stay in Okla grannie. Kansas doesn’t want your stupidity.
LOL, nobody is going to turn off the tap tomorrow!!!
Hillary in over her head and no clue what is going on in the Honduras. Zelaya is a leftist president who have done his country wrong. I say goodbye to him.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9995FD00&show_article=1
Europe Puts Hurdles in Obama’s Climate Path
By Gregor Peter Schmitz in Washington D.C.
Just as the US gets a new president who promises to reverse years of climate change neglect, American environmental experts worry that Europe’s resolve on climate change is weakening. Merkel’s recent about-face is especially alarming.
DPA
President-elect Barack Obama and former Vice President Al Gore met on Tuesday to discuss the environment.
Are the Europeans Getting Cold Feet?
Such symbolic images are familiar in Germany. Chancellor Angela Merkel has also gone out of her way to show herself as a climate saviour. In August 2007, she had herself photographed on a block of ice in Greenland in order to draw attention to the consequences of climate change. Just a short time before she helped to negotiate a global climate “roadmap” at the G-8 summit in Germany.
But those times are over. Now, with heads of state and government from the European Union gathering in Brussels at the end of the week to approve the bloc’s climate goals, Merkel has begun singing a different tune. In Monday’s issue of the tabloid Bild, she said that she would not approve any EU climate rules “that endanger jobs or investments in Germany.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,595644,00.html
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DavidB it would appear that you aren’t entirely accurate with you GW supporters. Merkel very clearly state she will not threaten the jobs of her country.
Much smarter that our prez at this time.
Satatom as usual you are not relevant to any discussion so I won’t even try to dialogue with you.
Have a nice day.
Natural gas can run our buses.. Brazil just rolled out hydrogen fuel cell hybrid buses. BRAZIL!
Does anyone really not know what is going on with alternatives to petroleum?
What a waste . . .
Poor dumb old Americans just can’t figure it out, some think…
I highly suggest Freidman’s latest essay:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/opinion/05friedman.html
If the United States doesn’t want to lose the green technology race, President Obama can’t put the energy/climate bill on the back burner to focus solely on health care. They go together.
DavidB… Did you see where a new railroad locomotive has been built in Topeka, that will run on a hydrogen fuel cell?? The only emission will be water vapor… IF the trials are successful, it will be sent to California for a major production run… Doesnt get much greener than that…
Phhhft! “Part of that package was a rule to require all new cars to emit just 130 grams of CO2 per kilometer travel, averaged over a manufacturer’s entire fleet. In an agreement reached last week, the original deadline of 2012 was staggered and will now come into full effect in 2015. Fines on companies not meeting the target were also lowered.”
Pushed back a date a bit… cold feet?? Maybe just tweaking plans….
David I agree there are alternatives out there but I also know that you don’t get rid of the horse until you have another way to pull the wagon unless you want to put yourself out of business.
That is what I am saying. Of course we need to be looking at alternatives. The first round of that however is not taxing current businesses out of business and THEN finding a solution.
This approach is bass ackwards and will never work to improve the economy. I am joined in this opinion by Warren Buffet and Colen Powell.
writerdog
Posted July 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink
The problem today is that WE the United States does not have a ready made manufacturing in place as we did then. In 1941 it only took us six months to be up to fighting the Japanese. That with a manufacturing base who provided and made almost everything the people used and needed. How long would it take today?
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It’s can’t happen today.
Government regulations would delay building of manufacturing plants for years.
-Environmental impact studies would be required.
-3 rare blind mice would have to be relocated.
-Polar bear impact would have to be determined.
-Zoning ordinances would have to be passed.
-OHSA requirements would have to be met.
-Factory design specs would have to accomodate ADA.
-Collective Bargaining agreements would have to be negotiated.
-Health care and benefits for all employees would have to be debated and designed.
-Housing for all new workers would have to be built.
-Cosmos and the GW people wouldn’t allow the energy required by the factory to be produced, so magic fairies would have to be found to POOF, create clean green power.
-Competitive bids would have to be made.
-Government managers would have to be hired, approved by UAW Central Control, the DNC, and George Soros.
-Government would have to evaluate the bids and actually make a decision.
-Hearings would have to be held to allow for public input.
-Railroads & roads would have to be designed and built, after going through their own environmental impact studies, then funded, and built with union labor put out on competitive bids favoring minority contractors.
20 years later you have a factory.
“DavidB it would appear that you aren’t entirely accurate with you GW supporters. Merkel very clearly state she will not threaten the jobs of her country.” [Okie]
ONE MORE TIME…. Okie, DavidB once again, makes NO MENTION AT ALL about GW…. You are busy inventing things again… Or, maybe you dont think it possible to talk about Clean Technology, without pushing GW?? How quaint of you to think that… Of course, you would be quite WRONG…. but, hey, hang in there!!
Chas
Posted July 6, 2009 at 4:02 pm | Permalink
DavidB… Did you see where a new railroad locomotive has been built in Topeka, that will run on a hydrogen fuel cell?? The only emission will be water vapor… IF the trials are successful, it will be sent to California for a major production run… Doesnt get much greener than that…
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How do you get the hydrogen?
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
I know the 4th is over but feel it is never to late to remember what we were really celebrating.
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
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Great post OK.
The political leaders of today don’t exactly put their necks out like the ones you describe.
And today’s political leaders get richer while in office, not poorer.
My, how times have changed.
CH, CHA, CHANGE!
Big difference
Who was it who said they never go anywhere where they need a gun?
Like the Marriot?
Northeast Wichita hotel robbed
BY STAN FINGER
The Wichita Eagle
The Courtyard at Marriott on North Webb Road was robbed Sunday night, police said.
An employee told police that an armed man came into the hotel at 2975 N. Webb Road at about 10:40 p.m. Sunday, jumped over the counter and forced her and another employee into a back room. He then took money from the register and left.
No injuries were reported.
The suspect is a black male between 5-feet-2 and 5-feet-4, weighing about 160 pounds. He was wearing a blue hoody, a white mask, gloves and blue jeans. He was armed with a black handgun.
http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/881486.html
Not even safe having a family BBQ anymore.
(I wonder if that steak knife was registered?)
Police were also investigating a fight over a barbecue grill that led to a stabbing early Sunday morning.
The incident happened in the 2800 block of South Richmond, near 27th South and Meridian, at 12:55 a.m.
When police arrived, Brunscheen said, they discovered a 21-year-old woman who had been stabbed multiple times in her chest and back. She was taken by ambulance from the scene to Via Christi-St. Francis. A few hours later, another woman at the scene was admitted as a walk-in patient at Via Christi-St. Joseph with visible lacerations to her arm, leg and chest along with swelling to her face.
A 4-inch steak knife was taken as evidence and police are searching for suspects.
http://www.kansas.com/news/crime-courts/story/880632.html
Until you get the worlds largest populations (India and China) on board with emissions controls you’re tinkling against the wind.
“Chas” notes –
The new hydro-train “…will be sent to California for a major production run…”
Kind of a shame no one in Kansas has the factory space, the workers, or the spunk to build ‘em here.
Chas you have made a fool of yourself once today with your fuzzy math on the uninsured now don’t be dumb enough to think that anyone here will buy that Global Warming isn’t what cap & trade is all about.
Man you are thick as a post.
Speaking of math OK, I’m not sure those 56 men were all accounted for in the categories you specified.
Let’s see….
24 lawyers/jourists
11 merchants
9 farmers
That’s 44.
1 had his ships taken.
8 had their homes vandalized.
1 went bankrupt.
2 had homes destroyed and their wife died.
“They can go anywhere to make their products. ”
They pretty much did that anyway. There is very little concern on the part of business for their nation or its people.
Forgive if I have less than any desire to worry much about them.
Let ‘em go. Then slap a heavy tariff on whatever they import or forbid sale of it here entirely.
Oh ok,
24 lawyers/jourists
11 merchants
9 farmers
1 had his ships taken
8 had their homes vandalized
1 went bankrupt
2 had homes destroyed and their wife died
Hey, that IS 56!
(Chas please check my math. I wasn’t sure if those categories were mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive or not.)
Thanks JJ for the help with that math. Chas doesn’t need any more problems today.
And of course Blowhard has to chime in about how we should just kick even more businesses out of the country.
What a moron. I think I have identified our problem. People like BJ and Chas are running the country right now. But as I told Chas this morning they won’t be up to bat forever.
The corporations are evil. Get rid of em all.
BJ will make cars.
Chas will drill for oil and refine gasoline.
Cosmos will check for pollutants and keep the polar bear count.
Capn will farm all the food and we will all buy from him.
Farmgirl will empty outhouses, and use for fertilizer on Capn’s farm.
Clark will brick over all the roads.
Writerdog will control the press.
Monkey will teach the children.
Regular will ring the schoolbell.
I’ll jump over the moon, and look down and laugh at y’all.
Chas
Posted July 6, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
“How was the drive back from Texas? Save any souls down there on July 5th?” [Reggie]
Where do you find such stupidity as this??
ID10T
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My bad, it was Oklahoma wasn’t it?
So Chas, how was the drive back from Oklahoma and did you save any souls on July 5th?
“Now it would be nice if Republicans are there with viable alternatives and big plans”.
Who wants to be those “viable alternatives” will be tax cuts for the rich and corporations, overturning Roe v Wade, and banning gay marriage.
jesus wept
I’m all for banning gay abortions.
Farmgirl got religion now?
Praise the Lord!
Regular
Posted July 6, 2009 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
I’m all for banning gay abortions.
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How do they know if the baby is gay or not?
How do they know if the baby is gay or not?
I don’t know, was just saying…
:)
How do they know if the baby is gay or not?
Brainwaves?
Surprising use of the “change” dogma: Union Workers need to take a cut.
Education Secretary Challenges NEA on Teacher Pay
Thursday, July 02, 2009
By Libby Quaid, Associated Press
Washington (AP) – Education Secretary Arne Duncan challenged members of
the National Education Association Thursday to stop resisting the idea
of linking teacher pay to student achievement.
It was Duncan’s first speech at the union’s annual meeting, a gathering
at which President Barack Obama was booed when he mentioned the idea of
performance pay last year.
“I came here today to challenge you to think differently about the role
of unions in public education,” Duncan told the 2.7 million-member union
in San Diego.
“It’s not enough to focus only on issues like job security, tenure,
compensation, and evaluation,” he said in a speech distributed by the
Education Department. “You must become full partners and leaders in
education reform. You must be willing to change.”
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/static.aspx?PageID=18
“Farmgirl got religion now?”
Perhaps she found the light:
Codex Sinaiticus
http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/
No, thankfully, I’m still free of superstition…
I dont believe in talking snakes, sky gods, or virgins giving birth.
As I said all along, Bluejay will not pay for higher cap & trade costs. Just you and me.
“The higher energy costs kick in as soon as the bill’s provisions take effect in 2012. For a household of four, energy costs go up $436 that
year, and they eventually reach $1,241 in 2035 and average $829 annually over that span. Electricity costs go up 90 percent by 2035, gasoline by 58 percent, and natural gas by 55 percent by 2035. The cumulative higher energy costs for a family of four by then will be nearly $20,000,” Lieberman said.
To compensate for higher energy prices brought about by the “cap-and-trade” system that the energy bill creates, the bill lays out
an Energy Refund Program that will offer cash compensation for low-income households to mitigate their losses.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50525
When I was a young Marine Sgt, I lived in an apartment complex which had a number of low income units. In the winter time, when we turned the heat down to control our costs and in the summer when we turned it up – our poor, poor low income neighbors had the windows open and the heat on. “Too hot” the dad told me.
I also dont think the fiction generated by old men and bound into a collection of fantasy called the bible is the word of god.
I can think.
And you? Still believe the talking snake and virgin birth are true?
You god squaders really should get help for your mental illness.
“All evil in the world begins with someone’s religion”. –ksfarmgrrl
More open gubermint by the Obama Administration. (more like more of the McBush same):
White House refuses to release cost of Michelle and kids trip to Paris. It adds up to many millions:
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50528
Don’t you just wish Obama would make up his wishy-washy mind?
Obama Wants to Repeal Defense of Marriage Act, Says General Counsel for Office of Personnel Management
Monday, July 06, 2009
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50520
CNS? The “christian” news service?
ROFLMAO!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Of course, anyone looking for kookaide would go right to a website who’s tagline is “The Right News. Right Now”.
And didnt dadman post crap from that crap website?
Hmmmmm…….
What a buncha wingnuts.
Remind me again, who would jesus kill?
“someone’s religion”
Socialism is a religion. Only difference is you use the law to support your beliefs.
And I guess that’s really no different from the religious nut cases.
okobserver
Posted July 6, 2009 at 3:54 pm | Permalink
Satatom as usual you are not relevant to any discussion so I won’t even try to dialogue with you.
Have a nice day.
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No problem Republican quitter!
This would be hilarious if it wasn’t so darn sad and if two million Americans had not lost their jobs since the Recovery Act (unstimulus package):
Unemployment Worse with Stimulus than Without
Monday, July 06, 2009
By Matt Cover
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50521
The union has become the political voice for business:
Labor intends to make a louder case for a new stimulus. AFL-CIO President John Sweeney on Thursday issued a statement calling on
Congress and the administration to “remain focused on stimulus efforts” and issued an international call for governments to increase stimulus spending by 1 percent of GDP.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50549
No longer does our Fed listen to the business men and women running the economic engine of America.
Union paid off Obama – now they want somore of that FREE MONEY!!!!
Less than 12% of American workers belong to Unions.
Yet they get all the money.
Farmgrl what you aren’t smart enough to know is that everyone is religious about something. Now I am a Christian but you religiously practice the gay lifestyle so that is your god. You worship at the alter of gay marriage reform.
It’s just that I admit who my God is and you fool yourself into thinking you don’t have a god.
As I said earlier, hypocrite.
OK is doing fine… The saving of souls isnt in my work category… I leave that to God(whatever you perceive god to be)… The folk at the Church are just fine as well…
Ray & Bubba (mechanical engineers) were standing at the base of a flagpole, looking up. A woman walked by and asked what they were doing.
‘We’re supposed to find the height of the flagpole,’ said Bubba, but we don’t have a ladder.’
The woman took a wrench from her purse, loosened a few bolts, and laid the pole down. Then she took a tape measure from her pocket, took a measurement, announced, ‘Eighteen feet, six inches,’ and walked away.
Ray shook his head and laughed. ‘Ain’t that just like a woman! We ask for the height and she gives us the length!’ Bubba and Ray are currently working for the government…..
… and helping to design the ” second stimulus package.”
Which Stimulus Package is that? The first one under Bush, or the second one from the Obama Admin??
That is classic Jesus speak now isn’t it!
Thanks Reggie!
The federal government is a god. Obama is a god.
Some people show their prejudice by labeling anyone carrying a bible while they carry their federal register.
Obama has committed to spending more money in his short time in office than all prior presidents combined – including the Bush.
I figured the intellectually challenged like yourself satatom, wouldn’t get it. Since you repeated the post at least twice, you must have severe learning disorders.
Perhaps counseling and special education can help you along with your pursuit to join those with fully formed frontal lobes?
“2 had homes destroyed and their wife died”
Those might not be right… they could have also been merchants or farmers… That would be doubling up, like Okie tried to do earlier with the people not insured… LOL
OMG, ROFLMAO!!!!!! You cant make these dumb posts up!
“It’s just that I admit who my God is and you fool yourself into thinking you don’t have a god.”
Says you. I dont say that, but you know my mind and heart better than I do? You really ARE a republican!
And socialism is a religion? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Says you. I havent heard anyone say that.
Where do we get tax exemptions for those “religions”?
We pay taxes. Yours dont.
Gawd. It would be funnier if it were not so pathetic.
Maybe you can consult the magic 8 ball along with the talking snake and the preggers virgin….
This week, with news of some 467,000 jobs lost in June, the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the U.S. has now lost about 2 million jobs since the economic stimulus package was passed. Even more notable is that the average workweek has been slashed to 33 hours — the lowest number on record. When the president signed his $787 billion stimulus package into law, he confidently asserted that unemployment would not exceed 8 percent. If Congress had not passed it, he warned, it would rise to 9 percent by 2010.”
Well, unemployment reached 9.5 percent last month, meaning, by the president’s own logic, his stimulus package has failed.
“The federal government is a god. Obama is a god.”
First you said Dr. Tiller was our God. Now it’s Obama, socialism and the gay “lifestyle”?
Would you PLEASE make up your minds, what little there is?
And btw, being gay isnt a “lifestyle”. It’s our LIVES.
I dont know what is funnier, you guys whining about Obama or your lame defense of Bible Spice.
The official State non-religion is in fact a religion.
You say it is right and holy to take money out of my pocket to give to those without. Or to give it to your cause (GW capntrade, preschool, summer daycare, free cheese.)
The god folks say it is a sin not to. (the church fund, the world fund, the food pantry, etc.)
Makes no difference to me.
I cover my pocket when either group approaches.
Dr Tiller a god? News to me. I recall him being a hero, but not a god. Yet.
The Stimulus money isn’t even all sent out yet… the current program rolls out through next year.
LOL.. yes take from you to give to the soldiers…
KSFarmgirl is baaaack! Well she must have gotten her wheat subsidy and set aside bucks. Time to blog?
And promptly begins her main focus in life:
1. Christians suck
2. Poor disenfranchised gays (sniffle sniffle)
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DavidB
Posted July 6, 2009 at 6:27 pm | Permalink
The Stimulus money isn’t even all sent out yet… the current program rolls out through next year.
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I thought the stimulus money to individuals was just a tax break, not an actual check?
The Obama administration is getting worried. The rosy projections of GDP for 2010 depend upon the recovery beginning in 2009.
Obama’s budget projects [dope smoking] growth at a 3% annual rate starting in April and that real GDP would fall just 1.2% in 2009 from 2008. Then, from 2010 through 2013, the administration assumes that real GDP will grow at a 4% annual rate.
Why is this important?
For those of you who are subjects of public education and not smart enough to add: THE DEFICIT AND SPENDING ARE BASED UPON AN UNREALISTIC PROJECTION. Meaning – we are really gonna be in a hurt locker.
Can’t blame republicans. At least not and be honest with yourselves.
“You say it is right and holy to take money out of my pocket to give to those without. Or to give it to your cause”
Please repost where I said that.
And read my comments about subsidies. You can look it up. I live in Trego county. I’m sure you already know my name. Just ask any of the cons here.
Or are you just comprehension challenged?
4% growth forever and ever!!!
I got some swampland some of you koolaid drinkers might be interested in.
“1. Christians suck”
Well, christianity sucks, and many christians suck, but not all.
“2. Poor disenfranchised gays”
Remind me again, who would jesus disenfranchise?
Awh shucks Farmgirl, I was talking in generalities. Sorta like you do calling all christians religious kooks.
If you want to start splitting hairs – where did I say Killer TIller was a god?
Watching your obvious distress at obama and the economy is worth ALL the national spending combined.
In other words?
Priceless.
Sucks to be you guys, no?
WOW gay altar? Grammy, you have really gone off the deep end, you and Amway should be out going door to door for crazy.
What does GDP hve to do with Deficit and Spending??
Be specific
Chas – public school system heh?
Go ask CapnAmerica. He was all over that connection last year.
You know, when Bush was spending like crazy.
Gay alter?
ahahahahahahaha!
At least it isnt the one Dennis Rader used…
If the stimulus package had to be passed so the unemployment wouldn’t go over 8% what are we waiting on? David said we haven’t even spent the stimulus yet. Why not?
Are we waiting for unemployment to reach 11% so Obama can be a real hero.
Get it spent is what I say. We have people in need of a job. We have a country in turmoil and what is the prez doing?
Holding onto the money.
So libs, how many jobs has Obama “saved” or “created” heh?
Any ideas?
I know 2 million folks lost their jobs since the Recovery Act was signed into law…..
How many did Obama save or create?
According to Keynesian economic theories, running a fiscal deficit and increasing government debt can stimulate economic activity when a country’s output (GDP) is below its potential output. When an economy is running near or at its potential level of output, fiscal deficits can cause inflation.
Now let’s be honest. We know most to the Recovery Act dollars aren’t going to stimulate any jobs.
The money is going to stimulate democrats districts, pet projects, and social entitlement programs. Win more votes – screw the economy!
Pmom what should we do when farmgrl throws her arrows. Throw her softballs. She ridicules Christianity on a regular basis. Do you think this is right?
Why does the left feel they have to back up each others bad behaviors?
“Watching your obvious distress at obama and the economy is worth ALL the national spending combined.”
OOPS! I forgot the other thang FarmGirl is known for:
3. Insulting other posters
Thar. Now my list be complete.
” they have to back up each others bad behaviors?”
This was discussed yesterday on the open thread. XXX brought it up – as he is smart enough to realize the Bluejay/Hank discussion the night before was treading on dangerous waters.
I have corrected other Non-libs (even when I’m wrong).
I’ve never seen a lib correct a lib. Ever.
I think they are afraid. New touchy-feely nation. Don’t offend anyone else.etc.etc.etc……
“According to Keynesian economic”
I can see it coming. Waiting for it….
(Regular knows) ;-)
“NOW WHAT?” the libs exclaim..
In January, President Obama pressed for an $800 billion economic “stimulus” package to turn the economy around. Though the bill largely consisted of increased spending on traditional liberal priorities, the President claimed that it would “create or save” 3.5 million jobs. The President’s economic advisors predicted that unemployment would rise to 9 percent by 2010 if Congress did not pass the stimulus bill, but that with the stimulus unemployment would stay below 8 percentage points.
The whole lib ball of wax is unraveling.
True to form, the democrats in Congress loaded the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 with hundreds of billions in wasteful spending. Examples: The bill includes $650 million for digital TV coupons, $140 million to study the atmosphere and $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts.
None of these proposals would create even one job or boost our economy. They’re just old-fashioned waste. And that’s a problem. Crying “stimulus,” Congress has spent money it doesn’t have to accomplish things that don’t need to be done on a scale never before seen.
And now they are busted. Cry wolf again?
Second Obama Stimulus? More congressional pork for districts left out the first time?
Maybe Nancy Pelosi will get her hundreds of millions for contraceptives in Stimulate II?
Gay Alter?
Remind me again, what has inflation done since Obama took office?
Oh, that’s right, we have deflation right now, not inflation….
…and I guess you are implying that the american economy is at its limit for production?
How do the cons plan to “bring manufacturing home” if the capacity to expand is at its limit?
Gee, where is austrian to ’splain it all to us?
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
“Gay Alter?”
Presumably, it’s the one with the rainbow alter cloth. With tasteful lavender accents.
And the alter call music there is by Donna Summers….
Bring on the WINE!
There aint no gay alter in THIS “church”. Just a bunch of crazy people.
Reminds me of Caribou Barbie’s “witchdoctor” preacher….
http://www.hdnews.net/opinionstory/pitts070609
Remind me again, WWJD?
Who would jesus demonize?
“Oh, that’s right, we have deflation right now, not inflation….”
Hang in there, good times are right around the corner!
Personally, high interest rates will do me good. I remember the CD’s at 10% and banks fighting over customers to get their money.
I don’t have to buy much of anything at this point in my life.
Now the young just starting off? The poor?
They voted Obama – let em reap their rewards!
The WWJD is well overused. It ages you and your single mindedness.
This is 2009.
The new saying is WWOD?
from 2010 through 2013, the administration assumes that real GDP will grow at a 4% annual rate. To put this in perspective, that is twice as fast as the economy’s 2% annual rate of growth between 2004 and 2008. This is not impossible, but the only other periods that came close to this 4% growth rate for such a prolonged period of time were in the late-1990s and mid-1980s. Forgive us for pointing this out, but both of these periods followed major shifts toward freer markets and tax cuts, not bigger government and tax hikes.
Gotta love those guys at Forbes.
So YOU ALL have abandoned the “J” for the “O”?
Amazing candor.
In 2007, the federal budget deficit was $162 billion (1.2% of gross domestic product). For 2009, the budget deficit is projected to be 11 times larger: $1.752 trillion.
Praise Obama! He is the One! He is done becoming.
He has arrived!
…and amway confirms that the repuke “solution” will be tax cuts and even FEWER regulations to protect consumers.
Once again, amazing candor.
The source for the “most uninsured are illegal aliens” meme is American Enterprise Institute.
AEI is a neo-con think tank. Among the trustees is one D. Cheney, as well as the president of the (Chuck)Colson Associates and the Managing Partner of the Serafin Group, the rest are banking or investment firm executives or lawyers, for the most part. The Executive VP is David Gerson, top Republican lawyer.
Two of it’s contributors this month are Richard Perle (of WMD fame) and Senator John Kyl, noted far right conservative.
Until reading this link and following to AEI, I had never heard that the 47 mil uninsured included (sic) 21 mil foreign illegals.
Given the source, I tend to doubt the veracity of the claim.
To be convinced, I would have to see that information from a less biased source.
Hee hee heeee. Watching amway’s pain as the bucks leave his wallet is indeed a guilty pleasure.
Want a little cheese with that whine?
And dont you live on the government dime? Military pension?
Thar ya go. “You all”.
But when I do that you ask me for a quote!!!!
“Praise Obama! He is the One! He is done becoming.
He has arrived!”
The only ones deifying Obama are the cons. Project much?
Be careful. I hear your god is a jealous god.
Ok, so YOU have abandonded the “j” for the “o”?
There. Fixed it for you.
One military pension – working on another defined benefit plan pension in just a few more.
That with the Mrs plan, 401K’s maxed at the 20K+ each, extending to fill our Roth max while we still can, TRICARE healthcare for life, and a touch of two social security checks.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to my happy golden years.
“XXX brought it up – as he is smart enough to realize the Bluejay/Hank discussion the night before was treading on dangerous waters.”
Walking on water is not YET an ability I have mastered.
Not offending the delicate sensibilities of XXX is one I no longer concern myself with.
Come on Farmgirl! My feelings are hurt. You don’t remember me? I’m not the guy carrying a cross on my posts. I’m the guy advocating the republicans drop the religious right, and back off on the abortion trip (But I saw Tiller as a Killer not a hero).
Now, I left plenty of impurfections for you to beat me up on.
Bluejay, far be it from me to say you could.
But maybe you can share a few of the abilities you HAVE managed to “master”?
Team Obama suggests that real GDP will grow significantly faster in the years ahead than it has in the past.
To top it off, that $533 billion deficit in 2013 assumes we have largely withdrawn our military from Iraq. In other words, if we look at just domestic spending, the budget deficit is growing even more rapidly.
It is impossible to blame tax cuts for this situation. By 2013, the Bush tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 would no longer be in place. In the Obama budget, tax revenue is expected to be 19% of GDP in 2013–a higher share of GDP than in 2007. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist* at this point to understand that every dime of the increase in the deficit between 2007 and 2013 is due to higher spending, not excessively low taxes on the rich.
One thing to remember about all of these numbers is that they are based on a very “rosy” economic scenario. If the economy falls short of the optimistic assumptions, the deficit will be substantially larger than projected.
More Forbes
*Exceptions on this blog not considered.
Regular
?Posted July 3, 2009 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
?Speculation and rumor, duh Libs love it like a cheap thrill ‘Jerry Springer’ substitute.?They are probably running safety pins through their nipples as we speak – while yodeling a Janis Joplin oldie – all the while wearing silk panties and getting an erection staring at Al Gore photos.?Yep, duh Libs love lapping up ‘dog vomit’ commentary in the nether regions of society. Someone has to do it I suppose – we’ll just sneak by quietly and let duh Libs carry on with their sewer dwelling and vomit imbibing.
Good evening, fellow comrades. For me this climate change is getting more far fetched with every article I read about it. There is no global warming and it is all a bunch of crap.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06427635.htm
Yes, George. It is all crap, which is why every nation on Earth is involved in reducing emissions.
The world’s governments just needed something to do….
AmWay, given your financial status that you post on this Blog, all of your whining, and crying and moaning and groaning, is just a sham… Regardless of what happens, your retirement is secure… You dont have to DO anything…. You’re pretty well set for the rest of your life… So, basically, you just want to be AGAINST anybody else having the same future as YOU have…. How very interesting….
As you can see here, it’s all crap:
http://www.alertnet.org/db/an_art/55866/2009/06/6-081438-1.htm
I see that Satatom still has a hard on for me. How gay of him.
“is just a sham… ”
“against anyone having the same”
Quite the contrary. If others E-A-R-N the same, more power to them. What I am against is someone GIVING it to them from MY pocket.
Little do you realize the things we have gone without throughout our lives (me and my best friend wife) in order to save and accumulate for our eventual retirement.
Little do people who have never saved, realize the tax implications of saving and investing.
I paid taxes on my earnings.
I saved a little bit of those earnings.
Every year, I pay gains and interest on those investments from my initial earnings which were already taxed.
Those gains that are in 401K’s, securities, and mutual funds will be declared INCOME when I turn 59.5 and start taking them out.
I will pay taxes on them again as income.
My social security – which I clearly paid into and had deducted from MY earnings, will be taxed again.
My social security – which I clearly paid in to and had deducted from MY earnings will be REDUCED because the sum of all my annual earnings are greater than the threshold for reduced Social Security.
My wife is in the same boat.
As a retiree without a job, my income will be reduced by the federal government – to GIVE a nice retirement to someone who did NOT EARN it, and fund humanity for the Arts and other fartzy programs.
Further, congress is considering changing military veterans healthcare benefits (TRICARE). The CBO report indicates DoD has been asked to reduce our healthcare entitlement – and increase our cost-share.
So, for livng frugal, for not taking out loans for our childrens college education, for always paying our bills on time and investing in our future – we get fuq’d.
No Chas. It is not a sham to me. You can call me a tightwad, I wear the label proudly.
It is OUR money. We worked multiple jobs and made much sacrafice to get ahead. I have every RIGHT to protest governments at all levels, do-gooders, GW’ers, socialist, and religions telling us what we have to do with OUR hard earned money.
This is as much a right – as your right to say my money rightfully belongs to the feds for your social programs.
Quick correction. Our 401K earnings were not taxed. They will be taxed when we withdraw them.
My bust.
As a Marine SSgt in the early 1980’s, my wife and I were stationed in a high cost area with our babies.
We qualified for food stamps and welfare – but never even considered it. I mention it because that is how low the pay was for an E6 even in the 1980’s.
We ate beans and hotdogs many nights. I’m still get sick when I look at a carton of Mac and Chez. I am just starting to readjust to rice in my diet – and that’s because of the new healthy living news.
Regardless, we saved money. We started with a payroll deduction for for US Savings Bonds. 25 bucks a pay period for a 50 dollar bond. Every year when we got a COLA, we bought more savings bonds. A reenlistment bonus went into a CD during the 70’s when interest was 7.5% (and a boom box).
Paid every bill on time. We have been late on Credit Card bills twice over our 30+ year marriage. Both times the CC company forgave the interest.
When my buddies bought big houses and boats – we didn’t. When they boat ski-do’s, we didn’t. I bought a used 16′ john boat, went to KMart and bought swivel chairs and stands. Got a trolling motor at a rumage sale. My neighbor helped me weld a trailer from scratch. I could have gone in debt for a new boat – but we didn’t. Used cars and one year old cars for many, many years. Never paid someone to change my oil – something I could do myself (even when I had a driveway full of teenager cars). I taught boys and girls to do basic auto mechanics. My daughters learned to change oil and change a flat until they mastered the skills.
Coupons for groceries even today. Double coupon day is special still. Kids grown, money in the bank, lost more in the stock market crash than a new house cost. But still we save and live on basics.
Air conditioning off at night most of the time. Close blinds during the day, until unbearable.
It’s not a sham. I have a right to defend my property and my financials are property.
Obama knows – the last bastion of cash available to STEAL is investment and retirement income. Trillions. Greedy bastuurds.
Geez… you think yer the only one who pays taxes and has to watch every penny? Cry me a river….
American Way…as shown above…the face of the Republican Party..whining, crybaby, quitter.
Call the wwaaaaaaammmmmmbbbbuujulance!!!
“lost more in the stock market crash than a new house cost”
Hmmmm….
Let’s see, that would be the BUSHCO crash? Ya know, the one that happened BEFORE Obama took office?
And now you are whining that he’s not fixing the effed up BUSHCO economy fast enough?
I dont hear you complaining about the CAUSE of all that money you lost in the stock crash.
and….
WTF are you talking about with this?
“My social security – which I clearly paid in to and had deducted from MY earnings will be REDUCED because the sum of all my annual earnings are greater than the threshold for reduced Social Security.”
Could you explain that in English?
You sure are confused, amway.
“Obama knows – the last bastion of cash available to STEAL is investment and retirement income. Trillions. Greedy bastuurds.”
It was BUSHCO that wanted to privatize SS. Think how much MORE you would have lost if that would have happened.
It wasnt Obama who wanted to give your SS money to Goldman or AIG.
United Nations Security Council Condemns North Korea Missile Launches
Monday, July 06, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530295,00.html?test=latestnews
OMG! Now What?!?
Only 738 more resolutions before the UN actually DOES something!
Other than to poke fun…there is no reasoning with the Republican whiners, crybabies, and quitters on this forum.
WWWWaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhhh!
DavidB
Posted July 6, 2009 at 6:27 pm | Permalink
The Stimulus money isn’t even all sent out yet… the current program rolls out through next year.
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Why wait so long? He wants to make us suffer longer.
That’s torture!
Chas
Posted July 6, 2009 at 6:41 pm | Permalink
What does GDP hve to do with Deficit and Spending??
Be specific
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G o d!
Chas can’t possibly be that stupid!
Olbermann ran back-to-back clips of John Boehner saying on Sunday the stimulus plan “…hasn’t created a single job…” with his speech on Saturday, when he took credit for additional jobs created with Ohio highway construction projects funded by… …wait for it… … the Stimulus Program.
BlueJay
Posted July 6, 2009 at 7:21 pm | Permalink
“XXX brought it up – as he is smart enough to realize the Bluejay/Hank discussion the night before was treading on dangerous waters.”
Walking on water is not YET an ability I have mastered.
Not offending the delicate sensibilities of XXX is one I no longer concern myself with.
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Shhhhhhh!!!! Don’t you know you can’t use his name?
Say “He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named” instead of his name.
good night; good luck; god bless —
whatever you conceive god to be!!
blessings all!!
blessings on this gorgeous Full Moon!!!
so mote it be!!
American_Way
Posted July 6, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Permalink
This is as much a right – as your right to say my money rightfully belongs to the feds for your social programs.
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Wrong AmWay. Some else does not have the ‘right’ to your own money.
To be secure in one’s own person and one’s own property is a basic fundamental right of FREEDOM.
When you and your wife’s life work and earnings is taken and given to someone else, then YOU and YOUR wife lose your right to Freedom, nothwithstanding what the freeloaders on this blog aim to do.
Confiscation of property, and a progressive income tax, are both tenants of Marxism.
When the Commies took over Eastern Europe, they:
1. Imposed a heavy progressive income tax.
2. Confiscated property.
Obama promises the same, only calling it:
Cap & Trade
Higher taxes on the Rich
Free Healthcare
Saving the banks
Saving the insurance companies
Saving the car companies
Oh Obama, please don’t save anyone else!
satatom
Posted July 6, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Permalink
American Way…as shown above…the face of the Republican Party..whining, crybaby, quitter.
Call the wwaaaaaaammmmmmbbbbuujulance!!!
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BIG DIFFERENCE.
BIG BIG DIFFERENCE, in case you hadn’t noticed.
You Libs cry like baby birds because Big Government isn’t feeding you enough.
Those who have worked hard, supported themselves, and earned their ways through life are simply trying to keep you theives from taking what we have earned through hard work and sweat.
You should try one day of hard work. Might even sweat a little. Do ya some good.
“JimJohnson” –
When’s the last time you did “hard work?”
Give us some details.
Yeah, good question, MHawk.
I’d be interested in that too . . .
I’m betting JimMax’s idea of hard work is changing channels without the remote.
I did some hard work Sunday. Cut down small trees and brush in my daughter’s back yard with a chain saw.
Note to others–never buy a chain saw. Then you don’t get asked to use it.
It did give me an opportunity to sing Monty Python’s “LumberJack Song.”
“Oh, I’m a lumber jack
And I’m okay.
I sleep all night
And I work all day.”
“He’s a lumberjack
And he’s okay.
He sleeps all night
And he works all day.”
“I like to wear women’s panties
A girdle and a bra!”
. . . .
Obama looked deeply into Medvedev Eyes and Knew He Could Trust Him! Did they kiss?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/06/confidence-building-effort-obama-trusts-medvedev-empathizes/
In Confidence-Building Effort, Obama Trusts, Medvedev Empathizes
President Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev engage in confidence-building measures aimed at “resetting” the relationship between the two nations.
Dmitry Medvedev is “straightforward, professional” and trustworthy, President Obama said Monday, as he and the Russian president engaged in confidence-building measures aimed at “resetting” the relationship between the U.S. and Russia.
“Throughout our interactions I’ve found him to be straightforward, professional. He is clear about the interests of the Russian people, but he’s also interested in finding out what the interests of the United States are,” Obama said in Moscow, while sharing a stage with Medvedev at their first joint news conference.
Asked by a reporter whether he has full trust in Medvedev, widely perceived to be a puppet for his predecessor, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Obama said he and Medvedev “have found, I think, an ability to work together extremely effectively.”
For his part, Medvedev demonstrated that he and Obama share more than just a title. Just as Obama said he seeks judiciary nominees with the empathy that will enable them to adjudicate more fairly, Medvedev said personal relationships can improve attitudes and build trust.
“Personal relationships are very important, especially when you speak about the building of inter-state relationships. The best relationship between the countries are the more empathy people have towards each other in different countries,” Medvedev said through a translator.
“A lot depends on our relationship and success in delivering on all those expectations on different fronts,” he continued. “A lot depends on our efforts, bearing in mind that our people have always had sympathy towards — empathy towards each other.”
First Obama Pushes Hillary Down the Stairs, then He Cancels Her Trip to Moscow!
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/07/06/hillary-stays-home/
FOXNews.com
– July 06, 2009
Hillary Stays Home
Hillary’s decision not go to Russia may not be so surprising, after all. It seems that countries with socialized medicine not only have trouble attracting the best doctors and nurses, they even have trouble attracting the best patients.
Did they kiss?
Sorry, Max, you’re thinking of Bush and that Saudi Prince.
Right, Obama kissing the ‘ring’ of the Saudi King.
…in 2006, the top 1 percent of households had a larger share of the nation’s after-tax income, and the middle and bottom fifths of households had smaller shares, than in any year since 1979, the first year the CBO data cover…The data reveal starkly uneven income growth over recent decades. Between 1979 and 2006, real after-tax incomes rose by 256 percent — or $863,000 — for the top 1 percent of households, compared to 21 percent — or $9,200 — for households in the middle fifth of households and 11 percent — or $1,600 — for households in the bottom fifth.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2789
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The useful idiots will now argue that those top 1 percent provide so much benefit to society that they deserve nearly a million dollars more.
After all the Walton family Wal-Mart heirs control more wealth than 100 million Americans.
Who needs Dukes and Earls when you got robber Barons?
JimMax–
Obama nodded in the King’s general direction which caused you CONs to scream like little girls that he had “bowed.”
http://www.flickr.com/photos/911review/293457625/
Here’s the proof. Truly sickening.
You keep TRYING to enlist XXX as an ally of yours “Jim”.
Now, I don’t know much what to make of XXX these days. But my GUESS is he doesn’t want you on his side.
I think he is still figuring out what side that is and I’m content to let him figure that out.
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American_Way
Posted July 6, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Permalink
Yeah, I’m looking forward to my happy golden years.
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Unfortunately, you’ll never be happy so long as you suspect that somebody, somewhere, who is less deserving than you, is getting something for nothing. You’ll go to your grave a bitter old fart.
Your post at 9:07pm provides evidence of this fact.
Jimmy the crybaby Republican whines:
Those who have worked hard, supported themselves, and earned their ways through life are simply trying to keep you theives from taking what we have earned through hard work and sweat.
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And that Social Security the employer paid for you? You RETURNED that to your employer… right Jimmy hypocrite?
” those top 1 percent provide so much benefit to society that they deserve nearly a million dollars more.”
You totally don’t get it Capn. You are so far gone.
Where is it written in our constitution that any American has to “provide benefit to society”?
Somehow, you confuse “compassion” and “giving” with a constitutional requirement which does not exist.
I don’t give a rats a*s if the millionairs or billionares give ONE PENNY back to society.
This used to be America. Land of the free.
The only place I can think of where your dogma might come in to play would be the standard, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” And that’s not a USA constitutional item.
“And that Social Security the employer paid for you?”
Satatom you are just a lost soul.
That employer contribution would be SALARY for you if the gubermint wasn’t taking it away. You may argue that the company wouldn’t pay you competitive wages to keep you – but the bottom line is the feds would not get a dime if an employee didn’t w.o.r.k. for the employer to earn the wages the FICA is stolen from.
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