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Thanks EAGLE for bringing back cartoonist Crowson at least occasionally to the editorial/opinion page.
On this date, Jul 5th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 106 °F (1980)
Low: 51 °F (1972)
Your Sunday morning cartoon –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC-rwr93ixc&feature=PlayList&p=23216EE3D070E8D0&index=52
Your Sunday morning hymn –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wveGtAQk6Ko
The Kansas state song.
Your Sunday morning sermon –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5apZmwR9UI
Excessive wait ties for care. Stifling of technology and innovation. Government run, “Free” health care.
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Associated Press
Europe’s free, state-run health care has drawbacks
By MARIA CHENG – 18 hours ago
LONDON (AP) — As President Barack Obama pushes to overhaul the American health care system, the role of government is at the heart of the debate. In Europe, free, state-run health care is a given.
The concept has been enshrined in Europe for generations. Health systems are built so inclusive that even illegal immigrants are entitled to free treatment beyond just emergency care. Europeans have some of the world’s best hospitals and have made great strides in fighting problems like obesity and heart disease.
But the system is far from perfect.
In Britain, France, Switzerland and elsewhere, public health systems have become political punching bags for opposition parties, costs have skyrocketed and in some cases, patients have needlessly suffered and died.
Obama has pointedly said he does not want to bring European-style health care to the U.S. and that he intends to introduce a government-run plan to compete with private insurance, not replace it.
Critics fear Obama’s reforms will lead to more government control over health care and cite problems faced by European health systems as examples of what not to do.
Other experts say Americans could learn from countries like Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland, especially in the debate on how to reorganize health insurance.
“These countries are in some way an inspiration for our reforms,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a health economist at Princeton University. “All of these countries somehow manage to assess risk and compensate for it … we could learn from that.”
Many European health officials applaud Obama’s attempt to provide health care to millions more Americans, but they also advise him to proceed with caution.
“What we can be proud of in Europe is the ground rules, that everyone has the right to health care,” said Jose Martin-Moreno, a health expert at the University of Valencia in Spain. “But the implementation has been difficult and one size does not fit all.”
Private health care is also available in Europe, creating in some instances a two-tier system that critics say defeats the egalitarian impulse on which national systems were built.
When Britain’s National Health System was founded 61 years ago, it pledged that with few exceptions, patients would not be charged for anything.
All prescription drugs are covered, and the government regularly sets health targets, like maximum waiting times in emergency rooms or for having an operation.
Critics say the policies are often driven more by politics than science. Last week, Prime Minister Gordon Brown promised that patients unable to see cancer experts within two weeks would get cash to pay for private care. Brown had previously argued against paying for private providers and some say the reversal may be a gimmick to boost his sagging popularity.
More serious problems in Britain’s health care were reported last month, when cancer researchers announced that as many as 15,000 people over age 75 were dying prematurely from cancer every year. Experts said those deaths could have been avoided if those patients had been diagnosed and treated earlier.
“There is nothing inherently different about cancer in the U.S. and Britain to explain why more people are dying here,” said Dr. Karol Sikora, of Cancer Partners UK.
The U.S. already spends the most worldwide on health care. According to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, the U.S. spent $7,290 per person in 2007, while Britain spent $2,992 and France spent $3,601.
Still, experts say that before committing the U.S. to footing the bill for universal health care, Obama should consider it has cost Europe.
A World Health Organization survey in 2000 found that France had the world’s best health system. But that has come at a high price; health budgets have been in the red since 1988.
In 1996, France introduced targets for health insurance spending. But a decade later, the deficit had doubled to 49 billion euros ($69 billion).
“I would warn Americans that once the government gets its nose into health care, it’s hard to stop the dangerous effects later,” said Valentin Petkantchin, of the Institut Economique Molinari in France. He said many private providers have been pushed out, forcing a dependence on an overstretched public system.
Similar scenarios have been unfolding in the Netherlands and Switzerland, where everyone must buy health insurance.
“The minute you make health insurance mandatory, people start overusing it,” said Dr. Alphonse Crespo, an orthopedic surgeon and research director at Switzerland’s Institut Constant de Rebecque. “If I have a cold, I might go see a doctor because I am already paying a health insurance premium.”
Cost-cutting has also hit Switzerland. The numbers of beds have dropped, hospitals have merged, and specialist care has become harder to find. A 2007 survey found that in some hospitals in Geneva and Lausanne, the rates of medical mistakes had jumped by up to 40 percent. Long ranked among the world’s top four health systems, Switzerland dropped to 8th place in a Europe-wide survey last year.
Government influence in health care may also stifle innovation, other experts warn. Bureaucracies are slow to adopt new medical technologies. In Britain and Germany, even after new drugs are approved, access to them is complicated because independent agencies must decide if they are worth buying.
When the breast cancer drug Herceptin was proven to be effective in 1998, it was available almost immediately in the U.S. But it took another four years for the U.K. to start buying it for British breast cancer patients.
“Government control of health care is not a panacea,” said Philip Stevens, of International Policy Network, a London think-tank. “The U.S. health system is a bit of a mess, but based on what’s happened in some countries in Europe, I’d be nervous about recommending more government involvement.”
Associated Press Writer Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar contributed to this report from Washington.
Good article Outlander and a diversity of opinion.
Last night on the open thread, things got way out of hand. There were threats made.
Friends, we need to get a grip. Threats against each other; threats against family members should not be tolerated regardless of which side of the aisle we’re on. We need to remember that this is only a blog; a place where we go to post opinions. It’s NOT a venue to make threats against other bloggers or their families or their places of business.
Last night a line was crossed. Let’s all take a moment to regroup and re assess who and what we are. I know that civility is too much to ask, but a civilized attitude isn’t. This isn’t a place for savages. This isn’t the schoolyard.
Self control, people.
outlander: You are reaching again, the silliness I see on these threads from the anti-healthcare lobby is amazing. Nobody says anything is perfect, costs are rising all over the world and sytems in most places everywhere are struggling to cope, but they are still a heck of a lot better off than us. go to http://www.pnhp.org and look around the entire site.
The New York Times have been running artices for the past few weeks about healthcare and the blogged source of supporters for univeral coverge, whose who put lies to the attacks from the right wing, are Americans living abroad, most notably in Canada and Australia. 10 years ago I’d have joined them, for what I see as a comment on anti-single payer is far from the truth, and with the same comments repeated over and over I’ve come to the concluison there is a template in use.
What’s the name of that country where people from around the world fly in to receive the best quality health care (treatment and surgery) in the World?
Anyone ?
Anyone?
Nigeria?
regular: Actually, there are several countries the world goes to, some of which Americans visit. One notable was Al Gore who, when faced with a sick child, took him to Toronto Sick Kids Hospital for therapy not avaible stateside. Check it out!
On the open thread exchange last night, it looked to me that there was more than one person who kept that p*ssing contest going. At some point, you’d think the editors would want to re-think providing this forum for such juvenile behavior.
Nathaniel
Posted July 5, 2009 at 8:36 am | Permalink
XXX,
Why don’t we just name names? It is fairly obvious that there is one poster here who is nothing but an instigator who is always talking about this being some war between the “Cons” and him.
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Nathan, I don’t disagree. But that brings to mind the old hack about “If he jumped off a cliff, would you?”
That’s what happened last night.
Nathan, do you condone threats on the blog?
Are we adults here, or animals?
Last night’s posts reflected poorly on both sides. It also reflects poorly on the WE editors. Both bloggers involved in this sorry episode should be banned from the blog.
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StevenEDavis
Posted July 5, 2009 at 9:24 am | Permalink
On the open thread exchange last night, it looked to me that there was more than one person who kept that p*ssing contest going. At some point, you’d think the editors would want to re-think providing this forum for such juvenile behavior.
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Steven, thanks for the backup. There are several posters who should be ashamed of their behavior.
“Regular” poses –
“What’s the name of that country where people from around the world fly in to receive the best quality health care (treatment and surgery) in the World?”
Hmmm.
There’s India.
And Thailand.
And South Africa.
In fact, medical tourism is a growth industry.
It’s been in the papers.
Nathaniel
Posted July 5, 2009 at 8:36 am | Permalink
XXX,
Why don’t we just name names? It is fairly obvious that there is one poster here who is nothing but an instigator….
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Nathan, actually there are two, one from either side. We all know who they are.
Once again, “Regular” –
You CONs’ regular, reliable, dependable ignorance comes through on this forum.
A couple of days ago you broadcast your ignorance of mountain-top mining in the Appalachians.
Faced with the reality of such practices, who tried to shift the subject into arcane conjecture about how coal got up inside mountains. I dunno. I just know coal companies are flattening mountains to get to it.
From then on, you Stroked The Filly Unicorn.
(heh-heh)
XXX,
“Steven, thanks for the backup. There are several posters who should be ashamed of their behavior.”
Exactly. The funny thing is that Steven is one of them.
I will admit, it has been awhile, but there was a time when even he would randomly drop in to say some mean and vulgar thing to either me or my father.
But for whatever reason, many of us are not clean of some stupid behavior here to some degree or another.
The difference is the willingness to reason though.
I stand by my point, there are certain posters here, BlueJay being one of them, that are beyond reason.
XXX,
There have been times I have gone overbord here too. However, I am willing to reason and move on.
Others not so much.
Dr. DeVon Hale with the University of Utah’s International Medical Education program says if you look at numbers worldwide, around 400,000 to over 1 million people are going to a new country to get medical care.
“Yeah, that’s right. We have American citizens going to Mexico to take advantage of their health care.”
High medical costs and long waiting times are compelling Chinese Americans to travel to their home country for health care services, reports the China Press. The newspaper interviewed a Chinese American man from Alhambra, Calif. who went to China and paid just $28 for a dental procedure that would have cost him $3,000 in the United States. Even with the travel expanses, he was able to save money.
An estimated 6 million Americans are traveling each year to such countries as India, Costa Rica, Mexico and Thailand in search of less-expensive treatments for simple and complex procedures. Even France and Belgium tend to be cheaper than the United States.
I think we can add MonkeyHawk to the list of those who are beyond reason as well.
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Nathaniel
Posted July 5, 2009 at 9:45 am | Permalink
XXX,
There have been times I have gone overbord here too. However, I am willing to reason and move on.
Others not so much.
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Nathan, this is an open forum and sometimes some of the comments can get nasty. That’s to be expected. But that’s not what I originally addressed. I’m talking about THREATS. I fully sympathize when someone’s family is brought into this forum and insulted or ridiculed, especially when said family has never even posted on this blog. I’ve been hit with that myself. That kind of behavior is unacceptable and no matter what your political affiliation, we need to condemn that kind of crrap.
There is no place here for those who make THREATS.
monkwuk…..yes…….just read it’s 9:32 post
When the going gets tough, Palin is a quitter.
“Nathaniel” admits –
“There have been times I have gone overbord….”
But then he counter-attacks with –
“…add MonkeyHawk to the list of those who are beyond reason….”
Really?!
Have you ever come up with evidence of that, “Nathaniel?”
No.
You just whine when I’ve hurt your feelings.
(Real Marine mettle, there.)
You just complain when I throw your posted opinions back in your face.
You just resort to the victim card when faced with legitimate counter arguments.
ah pol mom……when we should teach gun safety in schools or anyone else asks you a question…….you run and are a quitter
monk.your 9:32 post……..just ignoring?
monk.or quitting?
You might try to make a point, “wichhick.”
So far, nothing from you.
Political_mama
Posted July 5, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink
When the going gets tough, Palin is a quitter.
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That’s exactly correct.
Hillary Clinton has been subjected to ten times as much crap, and for twenty years. Did she quit? lol
There ain’t a quittin’ bone in Hillary Clinton’s body. Palin? Quitter. Through and through.
monk i agree………no point that you can comprehend………now take this slowly…….take off you shoes and count to two
pedant……..20 years……..you sure are observant……..most of us had never heard of her 20 years ago……you from arkansas?
pedant…..any details of what she has been through….the last 20 years or are you talking of the fire in bosnia
pedant…………….did you just quit……..appears monkey and polmom did
Palin & the Peter Principle?
The Peter Principle is the principle that “In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence.”
Palin did okay as the mayor of a town of 10,000 (maybe, sans future criminal indictments).
As a Governor.. not so much.
As a President, if McCain has won and could not serve out his term… OMFG!
But she is mavericky! (wink wink)
Nathaniel posted July 5, 2009 at 9:55 am
I think we can add . . . to the list of those who are beyond reason as well.
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I nominate Nathaniel, who believes Dennis Avery, Steven, Milloy, et al, to that list.
And also ex-Navy “liason”(sic), ‘I’ve got about 50 more copy/pastes’, Hank.
DavidB: The Ontario government could not understand why the demand on their health system was getting overloaded, until they did an audit of health cards and discovered 500,000+ bogus cards. It started with an immigration advisor giving the pitch about what new folks would need and how to get those services but when he came to the health card, a few piped up and said they already had one! That started the invesitagtion. The card was only plastic with a number on it, now it’s a RF imbedded chip with photo ID you must renew every two years. Seems many Americans were “passing” to get care up there, just like those from 3rd world countries…..Things the other side don’t discuss.
davidb……………..from what i have read palin did quite well as governor and was very popular…i totally understand the peter principal and have seen it replayed many a times in my career…………..it appears to have impacted you and obama…….i’m confident you don’t understand it though
Ah, the pleasant illusion that people refuse to engage you because you scare them.
“outlander: You are reaching again, the silliness I see on these threads from the anti-healthcare lobby is amazing. Nobody says anything is perfect, costs are rising all over the world and sytems in most places everywhere are struggling to cope, but they are still a heck of a lot better off than us…”
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Anti Health care lobby? Is that like the anti food lobby?
Anyway, I certainly don’t agree with that last sentence, sursum. And where would world health care be without the U.S.? Probably 30 years or so behind where we are. We are the cutting edge, the proving ground, where innovation from here and elsewhere is developed into practical use. Without us, without the promise and motivation of profit, health care would be about as innovative as the old Soviet Union.
We need to tweek our system to increase availability, but don’t turn it socialist, or the whole world will suffer the loss.
quitters…monk, pol mom, pedant……………and now david b……….what examples you all are providing…….p.s. don’t share with our youth
beber………..another quitter……………..simple question………….do you feel we should teach gun safety in schools
beber………you at work again…..on a sunday………….seems to be a habit
It really does amaze me the difference I find in between the person I have met and the person on the blog. The anonymity of the blog often allows for the person to be the worst of all humans. To say things that if they were standing in Town East mall they would be ashamed for saying it.
Partisanship gives them license to say things that no reasonable person would think of saying. Things they themselves know are not true, this than leads to a all out lie fest coming and going from both sides. I can imagine a day when one side states they are against child sacrifice and the other side will defend its use!
Words here have no meanings so it OK to say anything you feel like right? Wrong! For those that have never met Nathan, B.J., Monkey hawk, Chas or me all they know of us it what they have read here.
As such they may or may not want to meet us thinking we are just this vile in real life.
I have met several on both sides and no one is in real life as they are on this blog. Not Bluejay or Nathan!
They are similar though, both are passionate people and hold strongly to their opinion. But are not as unreasonable as they are on this blog. The blinding and idiotic partisanship drives them to become unreasonable. It happens to not just them from time to time that is true so I am not truly singling them out.
I use to love to go to the meet-ups as truly everyone I have met were enjoyable people to be around.
But now I am thinking it is no a good idea and I find myself not wanting to be around those who I encounter on this blog. As my opinion has become shaded by the person that shows up on the blog.
I hold in high regard Hank, Linda, OKO, Chas, Bluejay, Nathan, monkeyhawk as I think of them as I did when I met them. They all were pleasant and intelligent people who were a joy to be around.
But even they have been shaded here, they have been totally counter to everything they presented in person.
You make hold that here is not you but it is as the words you are saying reflect on you.
Personal attacks serve no reason or purpose neither does the blind partisanship. Both accuse the other of starting it. So the question is are you intelligent enough to stop doing it?
We are the proving ground that a for-profit healthcare system does not distribute the benefits very well….
writedog..nice post but my view is that those on the left simply start out negative……..those at right respond……..it goes downhill from there………………….test any day. any subject……and unfortunarely, whether i met in person or not my impressions would not be the same as yours
“every right to express my doubts you’re not a “true” Marine”
Well at least we finally trained the Monkeyhawk the proper way of spelling Marine.
wichhick
Posted July 5, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink
writedog..nice post but my view is that those on the left simply start out negative……..those at right respond……..it goes downhill from there………………….test any day. any subject
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Wichhick, pull your head out. There’s plenty of blame to go around. To try to pin it on one side or the other is to prove one’s self a total idiot.
“Personal attacks serve no reason or purpose neither does the blind partisanship. Both accuse the other of starting it. ”
I think we are a reflection of exactly what the red and blue teams want us to be.
BTW, why don’t those partisans on the same team with Bluejay, or Hank, myself, or ANY of us – police our own?
I have posted to Regular on his posting from time to time. I know I p*ssed him off, and I’m just as guilty as him at times. I later regretted those posts as I read further ugly comments about Regular and his service to OUR country. I’ve also disagreed with Nathaniel on his defending christianity here – because I think it’s all bait on the oppositions part to get his goat.
No angel here, certainly not me. But I’m in agreement with XXX – it serves no purpose to say “they started it”.
But I really doubt anything will change here, except some of the better posters will continue to flee this blog.
I propose the WEBLOG provide more control. Some blogs have full time monitors. There is a cost with this, so charge a membership fee. Lord knows the paper needs the revenue, and they are providing all of us a service…..
The forum is what it is.
I’ve tried civility. I have met as many con bloggers face to face as any other poster here. They can do civility and be evasive about their politics and what they say here in person for an hour or so and then come right back here and sail right back into it.
I’m not going to apologize for defending myself OR fighting them on their own terms. The answer for some is to just avoid this forum. And while I understand and respect very much those who do so, I for one will not be bullied or threatened away. That Nathaniel, Hank, and whatever other assorted nics they use have not come to terms with that in four years is their learning disability and not my problem.
“In ten days, I’ll have us a war with those SOB’s and I’ll make it look like their fault!”
General Patton
ha!
Peels an orange…
I propose the WEBLOG provide more control. Some blogs have full time monitors. There is a cost with this, so charge a membership fee. Lord knows the paper needs the revenue, and they are providing all of us a service…..
By all means….charge a fee…let’s see….a monitor 24/7…at say $15 per hour
That would be $2520 a week in wages alone / zero benefits.
Say there are 100 regular bloggers….$25.20 per blogger per week.
Now THAT’S realistic.
outlander: To suggest that America is the genis is of heathcare or procedures is just plain arrogant, something we have no complete right to accept. Contribute to of course, but the genesis? And what is the socialist stuff? I don’t think of the Anglo countries that way nor the countries of Western Europe as staggering under some cast of gloom similar to Cuba, N. Korea etc. These places have stock exchanges, private banking and health care, private schooling etc.,the only real diffrence I ever noticed was language…and that included the UK! I couldn’t understand what people were saying to me sometimes, but did not complain after all it is their language.
Speaking of war BJ, and making it look like their fault, is Obama prompting a war to take over Iran, just like GW took over Iraq, only using Israel as the surrogate?
Report: Saudis Give Nod to Israeli Strike on Iran
The head of Mossad, Israel’s overseas intelligence service, has assured Benjamin Netanyahu, its prime minister, that Saudi Arabia would turn a blind eye to Israeli jets flying over the kingdom during any future raid on Iran’s nuclear sites.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530107,00.html?test=latestnews
Wink, Wink, Nod, Nod
Israel can do what it wants
– Biden said Israel has the right to pursue a different course of action on Iran than the U.S. does. “Look, Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/05/biden-misread-bad-economy/
“Now THAT’S realistic.”
Chas, I mean satatom, you are aware that there are many for fee forums? I won’t attempt to work your numbers, since you are obviously a business person, but I am quite certain the fees the sites pay are no where near what you provide.
Yeah, charge a fee – most would leave.
I offered to monitor the blog for free at one time. I know how to IP ban and edit posts. :)
Wichhick, I’ve answered you in the past for that question, forgive me that I don’t sit here waiting on your post to answer.
Teaching gun safety responsibly is fine. Such as, if you see a gun, don’t pick it up, go find an adult.
Teaching HOW to use a gun, no.
American_Way
Posted July 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Permalink
“Now THAT’S realistic.”
Chas, I mean satatom, you are aware that there are many for fee forums? I won’t attempt to work your numbers, since you are obviously a business person, but I am quite certain the fees the sites pay are no where near what you provide.
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Silly me…the jobs could be outsourced to another country for a pittance!
Sure, charge a fee.
Then for those who can’t afford the fee, they can get on and post for free.
That’s the Obama Way.
Obama LIED!!!
Or
Obama was WRONG!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/05/biden-misread-bad-economy/
Biden: ‘We Misread How Bad the Economy Was’
The vice president says the Obama administration “misread how bad the economy was” but stands by its stimulus package and believes the plan will create more jobs as the pace of its spending gains momentum.
Biden, in an interview airing Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” said the nation’s 9.5 percent unemployment rate is “much too high.” (Duh!)
“The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there,” Biden said. (Everybody thought Iraq had WMD’s)
“We misread how bad the economy was, but we are now only about 120 days into the recovery package,” Biden added. More jobs will be created in coming months, he said.
Biden noted that the $787 billion economic stimulus package was set up to spend the money over 18 months. Major programs will take effect in September, including $7.5 billion for broadband Internet service, plus new money for high-speed rail and the nation’s electrical grid, he said.
(Thank GOD! More money for the Internet & High-Speed Rail from LA to Vegas!)
Nathan, do you realize that your political beliefs would model the nearly exact same economic model that Nigeria has?
Except for you would demand that everyone live by biblical principles, no freedom. At least Nigeria has religious freedom, but you won’t get any protection if someone wants to murder you over it.
“Sure, charge a fee. That’s the Obama Way.”
It provides a method of control.
Interesting Article Encouraging Muslims to NOT Hate the West
http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5621PL20090703?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0
“Untold” story of WW2 stirs Muslim youth pride
Bash Arat Najib, a youth counselor in the nearby town of West Bromwich, said Jahan’s workshop got a “very, very positive” reaction among the alienated young men he works with, many of whom are of Pakistani or Bangladeshi origin. Many often ask why they weren’t taught this information about the war at school.
“The vision they had from school was Germany on one side, Britain on the other, and the Americans coming in at the end,” he said.
“They have no affinity with Britain though they may be born here. But the soldiers’ story gives them a sense of belonging. It gives the missing ingredient of affection for the country.”
The workshop tells how soldiers volunteered in the army of Britain’s then Indian colony and fought in north Africa and Italy.
India’s army grew from 200,000 in 1939 to 2.5 million in 1945, with Muslims making up about a third of the numbers at any one time. Most Muslim recruits came from what is now Pakistan.
Political_mama
Posted July 5, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
Nathan, do you realize that your political beliefs would model the nearly exact same economic model that Nigeria has?
Except for you would demand that everyone live by biblical principles, no freedom. At least Nigeria has religious freedom, but you won’t get any protection if someone wants to murder you over it.
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What protection do you have now in the US if someone wants to murder you?
OK Israel – Regarding Iran: NUKE THEIR @SS!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/us/politics/06biden.html?ref=world
WASHINGTON — Plunging squarely into one of the most sensitive issues in the Middle East, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. suggested on Sunday that the United States would not stand in the way of Israeli military action aimed at the Iranian nuclear program.
The United States, Mr. Biden said in an interview broadcast on ABC’s “This Week,” “cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do.”
(Except for Honduras, THAT is different.)
American_Way
Posted July 5, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
“Sure, charge a fee. That’s the Obama Way.”
It provides a method of control.
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From Garbage, To Cars, To Healthcare, HE will control us all like Puppets.
NATION: Serial killer has gun shops selling out in SC
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/07/05/Serial-killer-has-gun-shops/1246789454.html
Sunday, Jul. 05, 2009
15-year-old girl becomes fifth victim
She survived two days after being shot on Thursday
GAFFNEY — A teenage girl on Saturday became the fifth victim of a suspected serial killer terrorizing this small S.C. town, further darkening a day planned for celebrations.
Abby Tyler, 15, died about 11:15 a.m. at a Spartanburg hospital after fighting for her life for two days, Cherokee County Coroner Dennis Fowler said.
She was wounded and her father was killed Thursday as they worked to close the family’s furniture and appliance store near downtown Gaffney.
http://www.thestate.com/local/story/852063.html
What protection do you have now in the US if someone wants to murder you?
“And where would world health care be without the U.S.? Probably 30 years or so behind where we are. We are the cutting edge, the proving ground, where innovation from here and elsewhere is developed into practical use. Without us, without the promise and motivation of profit, health care would be about as innovative as the old Soviet Union.” — Gawd what an idiot.
Wanna buy a bridge?
Market Watch Headlines – Bleak, Very Bleak:
Economy still un-stimulated
While the second half has now actually arrived, the curtain on an economic recovery has so far remained down.
MARKETS
Rough profit outlook
Analysts agree upcoming earnings will be bleak, but split over future outlooks.
• India joins dollar doubters
• Here come California’s IOUs (WSJ.com)
• Defending shorts (Barrons.com)
• Reed, BA lead London
• Asia stocks slip on U.S. jobs
Capitol Report
Jul 5, 2009, 7:00 a.m. EST
A second half recovery is suddenly not a sure thing. An end to the green-shoot rally?
By Greg Robb, Market Watch
WASHINGTON (Market Watch) — For months, policymakers from Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on down told investors that a second-half recovery was a safe bet.
Investors, optimists by nature, eventually bought in.
But now, even though the second half has actually arrived, the curtain on the recovery has so far remained down and questions are being raised on whether it will go up at all.
Suddenly notable economists say the whole thing might not happen. Others, including Harvard economist Martin Feldstein, predict the curtain may go up for a brief period but then go crashing back down.
What gives?
It turns out the “consensus” of a second half recovery was never very solid.
(But that isn’t what O’Bama told us!)
“What protection do you have now in the US if someone wants to murder you?”
Sorry Jimbo, but apparently nobody wants your sorry @ss enough to waste a bullet on it. Should that change, you can have all the guns you can carry, but if you don’t know which which way they’re coming or when or what they’re packing, you’re still dead meat. Being paranoid doesn’t solve anything!
A sustainable recovery will require things to actually get better (Not just LESS WORSE)
The doom and gloom crowd received a boost on Friday when the June unemployment report arrived with no silver lining.
Almost a half a million new jobs were lost, the unemployment rate hit a 26-year high, and hours and wages were sluggish. See story on June payrolls report.
The job report may signal the end to the “green shoot rally,” said economists at Wachovia Economics Group.
“There is only so far ‘less bad’ economic news can take us. A sustainable recovery will require things to actually get better,” the Wachovia team said.
Being Prepared, gives you a much better chance Jed.
You can go along with the other sheep. Nobody is forcing you to defend yourself.
Baaaaaa!
Billions of Dollars More on Another Government Program we Can’t Afford
New Spaceport!
Wallops Island facility to be ‘Cape Canaveral of North’
Md., Va. to operate Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport
Wallops Island, Va. — – There isn’t much to see yet at the grandly named Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport, just the skeleton of an old launch gantry on a piece of oceanfront leased from the federal government.
But promoters expect something remarkable to blossom on this sun-baked spit of sand and scrub on the Eastern Shore.
David Smith, a state official from Virginia, which joined with Maryland six years ago to operate a commercial spaceflight center with the lofty acronym MARS, says the area is on track to become “the Cape Canaveral of the North.”
(And they build this on a barrier island in the middle of Hurricane Country!)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bal-te.md.spaceport05jul05,0,6286031.story
Link for the Walloping New Spaceport to Cost US BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
http://csc-s-maps-q.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/viewer.html
10 Hurricanes since 1953 have struck near this new spaceport.
Political_mama
“Nathan, do you realize that your political beliefs would model the nearly exact same economic model that Nigeria has?”
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I sure didn’t. Perhaps you would care to explain how you have come to this conclusion? I am not seeing it.
“Except for you would demand that everyone live by biblical principles, no freedom. At least Nigeria has religious freedom, but you won’t get any protection if someone wants to murder you over it.”
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Really? I would demand such a thing? No I wouldn’t.
How about you stop putting words in my mouth and making such strawman arguments?
“How about you stop putting words in my mouth and ”
I always knew you had an oral fixation Nathaniel.
BTW, why don’t those partisans on the same team with Bluejay, or Hank, myself, or ANY of us – police our own?
AW in the past I have done so and I will repeat to you about posting to Regular what I would be accused of.
You are a commie, terrorist loving, liberal! Yes American way if you disagree with what someone said you are a liberal! You are left to either remain silent and be counted among the rest or speak out and be seen as siding with the other side. Partisanship is not a matter of being right or wrong is being either us or them there is no middle or this or that side of the line.
Yes I can relate to regrets, one day I sighted Monkeyhawk for a over the line attack. Only to read on and see Hank equally over the line and then I realized that both had went beyond the line and one did not deserve scolding anymore then the other.
Now just stop this sniping! It’s time to reflect on an event of monumental importance to all mankind, whose anniversary we honor this week-end. On this date in 1946, at a Paris fashion show for the first time EVER, the Bikini was shown on a runway. Time to to give thanks guys and drop the petty stuff.
xxx.your 12:03 post….i agree there is plenty of blame to go around,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i simply asked that you read how the left starts each day, each post……….you should also remove your blinders
pol mom.i think as to teaching gun safety your exact response was “oh i don’t think i could agree to that”………..but why would you be against teaching how to use a gun
because kids don’t need to know how to use a gun! If you can’t drive a car till a certain age, using a gun is just duh.
XXX
Posted July 5, 2009 at 8:17 am | Permalink
Last night on the open thread, things got way out of hand. There were threats made.
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Were the “threats” removed by the Editors?? I dont recall any threats last night… That’s not to say I have never seen threats… just didnt see any last night…
polmom
i think we should teach abstinence in school
i think we should teach birth control in school
i think we should teach protection and the life and death consequenses on not using
i think we should teach the history of this country.good and bad
i think we should teach about religion
i think we should teach responsibility and accountability
i think we should teach gun safety and respect for guns
i think they should play dodge ball in school
etc.etc
and let them decide what path they want to take
you on the other hand only want to teach what you want and indoctrinate them…………….
pol mom….by the way i was driving a car (truck) b/4 i was 10 years old……..and using a gun………..and playing dodge ball
“writerdog” says –
“…one day I sighted Monkeyhawk for a over the line attack.”
I won’t demand a link, but do you remember the specifics?
I try to avoid going over the line all the time.
monkey….IALMAO
No cites, “wichhick?”
Typical.
monkey……………just pull from your library of great things you have said (according to you)
“wichhick” squirms –
“…just pull from your library of great things you have said”
I have.
And, nope.
Nothing “over the line.”
You disagree?
Cite some examples.
Say, what happened at all those 4th of July Tea-bagger Parties you CONs were crowing about back in April?
(Sorry if that last post of mine was “over the line.”)
monkey.i only squirm when i think of the example you set of those you suppossedly care about………but i suspect you only care about you, or at the very least put yourself at the top of the totem pole and are always 1st in line…
Is THIS “over the line”?
?Posted July 3, 2009 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
?Speculation and rumor, duh Libs love it like a cheap thrill ‘Jerry Springer’ substitute.?They are probably running safety pins through their nipples as we speak – while yodeling a Janis Joplin oldie – all the while wearing silk panties and getting an erection staring at Al Gore photos.?Yep, duh Libs love lapping up ‘dog vomit’ commentary in the nether regions of society. Someone has to do it I suppose – we’ll just sneak by quietly and let duh Libs carry on with their sewer dwelling and vomit imbibing.
sata……seems to probably be accurate
That’s what I thought hick.
Right back at ya
I’m not gonna go into a typical “wichhick” frenzy with repeated posts whining, “Answer the question!!”
But I’ve noted, “wichhick,” you haven’t answered the question.
I even saved you from a bone-dig; you don’t have to quote me exactly, just cite what you consider me going “over the line.”
Simple as that.
“Like when the time….” Even something like that. (with no capital letters, of course, since it’s you)
So buck up, “wichhick.” Fill this forum with your evidence of my malfeasance.
“wichhick” states –
“monkey.i only squirm when i think….”
Okay.
You win that point.
It’s not as if anyone would believe you ever think.
Well played, sir.
This place is a bin; the alcohol must be kicking in. I think some of you guys are drinking cheap vodka.
beber…..at work again?
Wich, just because your parents were dumb and you happened to live, doesn’t mean you get to dictate the rules for everyone else.
I want to teach kids birth control, but I don’t want to teach them HOW to have sex.
writerdog
Posted July 5, 2009 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
BTW, why don’t those partisans on the same team with Bluejay, or Hank, myself, or ANY of us – police our own?
AW in the past I have done so and I will repeat to you about posting to Regular what I would be accused of.
You are a commie, terrorist loving, liberal! Yes American way if you disagree with what someone said you are a liberal! You are left to either remain silent and be counted among the rest or speak out and be seen as siding with the other side. Partisanship is not a matter of being right or wrong is being either us or them there is no middle or this or that side of the line.
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If the socialist shoe fits, wear it.
If you claim to be in the middle, and not a conservative or a liberal, then you really stand for nothing at all.
And maybe most people have no principles, and stand for nothing. Sheep. Y’all could just be sheep.
monkey….writer said “she cited you for going over the line”…………you balked………i said read any of your posts to confirm you are over the line (and beyond hope)…. i haven’t asked you to answer the question for some time now as i know you won’t and haven’t so that excuse will not pass… add…….were you at the front of the line today?..nothing else to add
Let’s not confuse attacks on someone’s position, with threatening attacks.
What I see XXX commenting on appropriately, is the latter.
BJ went WAY over the line last night (the drunker he gets the later it is)when he made his threats on Hank and Nathan.
I see BJ’s posts have now been removed, to protect the guilty.
Political_mama
Posted July 5, 2009 at 8:29 pm | Permalink
Wich, just because your parents were dumb and you happened to live, doesn’t mean you get to dictate the rules for everyone else.
I want to teach kids birth control, but I don’t want to teach them HOW to have sex.
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Nice personal attack mixed in with some sort of comment on Sex Ed.
So,
1)Wichick’s parents should have aborted him? Or killed him sometime after he was born?
2)Putting a condom on a cucumber, is that Sex Ed or is that teaching kids how to have sex.
3)Are kids today too stupid to know how to have sex? Should they all have been aborted or killed after they were born?
pol mom…….you proved my point…….i said let the kids decide……….give them the options…….let them outside the gate by themselves……but you do want to teach them how to have an abortion?……….and why were my parents dumb?………i suspect yours were not ….you learned it all on your own…and why did you ignore the balance of my post
pol mom……..you want to teach them about birth control but not protection from AIDS…how sadistic
wichhick
Posted July 5, 2009 at 7:00 pm | Permalink
polmom
you on the other hand only want to teach what you want and indoctrinate them…………….
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Indoctrination is the approach used in Public Schools today. Which is why we need school vouchers.
Let parents choose which schools to send their kids to and choose how their tax dollars are spent on education, as opposed to the indoctrination in the public schools.
Steve McNair, wasn’t he special?
He was killed with his girlfriend on the 4th of July.
You suppose that made his wife and four kids feel special?
Pmom is one of the most bitter posters I’ve ever read.
Do you suppose her husband was killed on the 4th of July while she was at home with her kid, whom she had to have because she couldn’t get a free abortion?
“Which is why we need school vouchers.”
Not a chance.
If you want to send your kid to a school that teaches all liberals are evil Marxists, guns are good, sex ed is bad, say the Lord’s Prayer, gays are going to Hell, everything America has ever done is good and the Earth is only 10,000 years old, fine. Buck up and shell out the dough to pay the tuition.
But don’t expect my tax dollars to cover YOUR prejudice.
“Political_mama” shares –
“I want to teach kids birth control, but I don’t want to teach them HOW to have sex.”
I just can’t think of how that doesn’t enter into the picture.
I remember when Carl Griffith in the First Grade taught me about sex. Carl had a big brother — high school age! — and knew all about it.
Part of his lesson was you couldn’t have sex without a rubber.
Not that, you don’t have sex without a condom, but that it was essential to the act.
Kids get stuff wrong.
And if you ever were a kid you’ve been exposed to myths and fantasies about sex that… well, didn’t quite work out that way, now did they?
Sex is just about the only universal truth there his about being a human. It’s not whose god is “God,” it’s not what’s right or wrong, it’s not what’s crime or justice….
It’s we’re humans and some of us are male and some of us are female and if there are gonna be any more of us, there’s gonna be sex.
And, besides that, it’s fun!
(God didn’t give us a lot of essentials to life that are fun. Take ‘im up on this one!)
So I’m not sure not “teaching them HOW to have sex” is the right approach to educating kids.
JJ.I see HLP’s posts…..have now been removed…. to protect….the….guilty.
WSClark
Posted July 5, 2009 at 9:00 pm | Permalink
“Which is why we need school vouchers.”
Not a chance.
If you want to send your kid to a school that teaches all liberals are evil Marxists, guns are good, sex ed is bad, say the Lord’s Prayer, gays are going to Hell, everything America has ever done is good and the Earth is only 10,000 years old, fine. Buck up and shell out the dough to pay the tuition.
But don’t expect my tax dollars to cover YOUR prejudice.
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Oh the Marxists will not allow any choice.
If Government spends X dollars on your kid anyway, then to allow you to take X dollars to send your kid to the school of your choice will NOT be allowed.
Don’t worry Clark. Your Marxist indoctrination program is safe. O’Bama and the NEA will see to that.
VOUCHERS?!?!”
How absolutely SOCIALIST!!!! of you.
Collect honest hard-working taxpayers’ money and give ‘em a check — from the GOVERNMENT! — to educate their kids?
Commie pinko dim lib traitors!
Say Derf, I saw Zero posts from Hank threatening BJ.
There were several with BJ threatening Hank.
But then, nobody can see that now. The censors have entered in.
That’s what y’all want isn’t it? Censors to dictate what is allowed and what isn’t.
I’m with AmWay, if I was in charge of the WEBlog, I charge a monthly or annual fee. Say $10/month or $100/year. Much of the riff-raff would be gone, without censors involved.
If it ain’t free, the Socialists will go somewhere else.
but ws my tax dollars are covering YOUR prejudice……..
No Freedom of choice Monkey?
How Communist of you!
It’s ok to get Federal money for those who Choose to have abortions.
But it’s not ok to get Federal money for those who Choose to send their kids to a private school.
wichhick
Posted July 5, 2009 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
but ws my tax dollars are covering YOUR prejudice……..
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Exactly.
But you don’t have a choice.
JJ.you say…..no threatining posts…….from Hank…..prove it
It’s ok to have a girlfriend and a wife, isn’t it?
Don’t they teach that in public schools?
monkey.if no vouchers then you must agree we teach without indoctrination,,,,,,,,,correct?
Gee Derf, can’t you read?
The posts have been deleted.
Nobody can prove anything now, unless of course, maybe someone like Hank was smart enough to save the page for evidence, should the need arise.
If I was BJ, I’d be worried about that.
Say, BTW, I haven’t seen Blue Jay for awhile.
Was he, gasp, banned?
“Oh the Marxists will not allow any choice.
If Government spends X dollars on your kid anyway, then to allow you to take X dollars to send your kid to the school of your choice will NOT be allowed.
Don’t worry Clark. Your Marxist indoctrination program is safe. O’Bama and the NEA will see to that.”
One, Johnson, I am not a Marxist.
Two, I believe that you should be able to have your children educated anyway you like.
Three, I believe that PRIVATE schools should require tuition paid by the parents and not from public funds to teach PRIVATE beliefs.
You throw the “Marxist” label around like it has any value, Johnson, but the reality is that few, if any, liberals are Marxists.
But thanks for playing the game, anyway.
“Say Derf, I saw Zero posts from Hank threatening BJ.”
Calling my son a bast@rd and my mother a senile old lady is not exactly threatening.
But neither was I gonna let it stand without hitting back.
Among the cons, Hank and Nathaniel seem a little slow on the uptake. I’m not going to complain to the editors. I’m not going to ask that posts be removed. I’m not going to ask for registration or blog monitors. I’m not going to try and appeal the decency that they clearly do not have. I am going to hit back just as hard as I can.
“but ws my tax dollars are covering YOUR prejudice……..”
What prejudice?
All people are created equally?
America has had flaws in the past?
Evolution is an accepted scientific theory?
Which prejudice are you talking about?
ws.our public schools are teaching private beliefs………….what do you not understand
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JimJohnson
Posted July 5, 2009 at 9:15 pm | Permalink
Gee Derf, can’t you read?
The posts have been deleted.
Nobody can prove anything now, unless of course, maybe someone like Hank was smart enough to save the page for evidence, should the need arise.
If I was BJ, I’d be worried about that.
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Points to save web page function of Snagit capture software…
(chortles)
ws what is wrong with teaching that the earth is 10000 years old…………what is wrong with teaching that abstinence has its rewards…………….what is wrong with teaching gun safety/respect……what is wrong with playing dodgeball
“ws.our public schools are teaching private beliefs………….what do you not understand”
WHAT private beliefs?
Name one.
blah blah blah
Do you guys EVER stop drinking?
LOL
that a rubber covering a cucumber is good for the gal….depressing for the guy
that dodgeball hurts the ego of the underachievers/less skilled…………..
If Darwin was right, you will need a few million years to prove your theory.
Why didn’t monkeys develop wings?
Many arboreal (tree dwellers)primates have tails and they are prehensile (ability to grasp.) Why don’t orangutans have tails?
that you are not allowed to learn about GOD
that we cannot allow the teaching of gun safety/respect because it is a program designed by the NRA……………..
“ws what is wrong with teaching that the earth is 10000 years old”
Because that is demonstrably false?
“that you are not allowed to learn about GOD”
I’m sorry. I’m a parent and I missed the board of education folks coming to my home and telling me to keep my kid out of churches?
“that you are not allowed to learn about GOD”
Which God, yours or mine?
“that we cannot allow the teaching of gun safety/respect because it is a program designed by the NRA……………..”
No one said anything about the NRA, but that does GUN safety have to due with education of children?
Should we also teach motorcycle safety?
How about auto repair safety?
Food safety?
Plastic bag safety?
Electrical safety?
Water safety?
Seatbelts?
Quicksand?
Boating?
Skateboarding?
What else is on your list?
“ws what is wrong with teaching that the earth is 10000 years old”
Ah, because it has NO basis in scientific evidence or theory?
A scientific theory has been peer-reviewed and supported by verifiable scientific evidence.
It is not a SWAG- it has to have evidence to back it up.
Creationism has no such scientific backing.
Name one reputable SCIENTIST that doubts the theory of evolution.
Just one.
JimJohnson
Posted July 5, 2009 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
Say Derf, I saw Zero posts from Hank threatening BJ.
There were several with BJ threatening Hank.
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Jim, that would make you either a liar or brain-dead. Which is it?
One of them for sure and for good measure, both should be banned from the blog.
They’re both trouble makers.
hick you sure do live up to your name. Gawd.
And Jim Jones, don’t you have some soldier funeral to protest at with your buddy here?
No, we cannot teach how to use firearms in school because it is not essential to anyone except you boneheads who think that your gun is an extension of your dick.
Braindead? Liar? (ouch!)
I see XXX is back down from his high horse again. (It was nice while it lasted.)
Pmom, SOS, DD. More personal attacks and filth spewing from her fingertips.
Oh and Clark, if you are NOT a Marxist, please list the tenants of Marxism you oppose.
None? Suprise!
June was a Pretty Dead Hurricane Month:
MONTHLY TROPICAL WEATHER SUMMARY
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0800 AM EDT WED JUL 01 2009
FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC…CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO…
NO TROPICAL CYCLONES WERE OBSERVED DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE.
HOWEVER…A SHORT-LIVED TROPICAL DEPRESSION FORMED DURING LATE MAY.
ON AVERAGE…A TROPICAL STORM IS NOTED IN THE ATLANTIC BASIN IN
JUNE ABOUT ONCE EVERY OTHER YEAR.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2009/tws/MIATWSAT_jun.shtml?
The Pacific was pretty slow in June too:
MONTHLY TROPICAL WEATHER SUMMARY
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM PDT WED JUL 01 2009
FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC…EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE..
TWO TROPICAL CYCLONES WERE OBSERVED DURING JUNE…TROPICAL
DEPRESSION ONE-E AND HURRICANE ANDRES. THE LONG-TERM AVERAGE FOR
JUNE IS FOR ABOUT TWO TROPICAL STORMS TO FORM AND ONE OF THEM TO
BECOME A HURRICANE. INTERESTINGLY…ANDRES IS THE FIRST HURRICANE
TO FORM IN JUNE SINCE 2000.
THE 2009 SEASON IS OFF TO A SLOW START WITH ONLY ONE NAMED STORM
THIS SEASON. IN AN AVERAGE YEAR…ABOUT THREE TROPICAL STORMS FORM
BY THE END OF JUNE.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2009/tws/MIATWSEP_jun.shtml?
good night; good luck; god bless —
whatever you prceive god to be!!
blessings all!!
long live the Blog!!
so mote it be!!
Mexico throwing the conservative bums to the curb:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090706/wl_nm/us_mexico_election_7
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Like many patients, Jackson sought to hide his cosmetic surgery from the public.
For years, fans looked on as Michael Jackson radically transformed his appearance. But despite his obviously altered look, the singer only ever admitted to two nose jobs – and blamed his progressively paler skin on the condition vitiligo.
In fact, says a Los Angeles surgeon who shared a practice with one of Jackson’s surgeons, the King of Pop – who died of cardiac arrest June 25 – was a frequent customer.
“He had multiple surgeries,” says Dr. Wallace Goodstein, who worked beside Jackson’s surgeon in the 1990s. “He came in approximately every two months. It was about 10 to 12 surgeries in two years, while I was there.”
As for the specifics, says Goodstein, Jackson “had multiple nose jobs, cheek implants and he had a cleft put in his chin. He had eyelid surgery … You name it he had it.” Goodstein also opines that Jackson underwent operations that he never should have: “He had so many things that were inappropriate.”
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Eventually, the surgeries took a toll on his face. “His nose became so small because he was operated on repeatedly,” says the source. “He has barely anything left for a nose.”
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Jackson eventually turned to dermatologist Dr. Arnold Klein for a solution. “I rebuilt it [his nose] … using fillers,” Klein revealed in a July 8 interview with Larry King. “I used hyaluronic acids, and they worked very well. It’s an arduous procedure, because you don’t want to put too much in. And you have to do it exactly, so you can flow the material so it’s perfectly smooth.”
Jackson was pleased with the results, says his dermatologist. “I’m telling you that he was beginning to look like the nose was normal again,” Klein – who recently addressed rumors that he is the biological father of Jackson’s children Prince, 12, and Paris, 11 – said in the TV interview. “And that’s all I wanted, and [to] regain the breathing passages of his nose, because there was a total collapse of the cartilage.”
Pale Skin
Klein says Jackson also relied on him to help in treating the skin condition vitiligo, which destroys pigment-producing cells and can cause patches of uneven tone. “His was bad because he began to get a totally speckled look over his body,” said Klein. “[It was] all over his body, but on his face significantly [and] on his hands, which were very difficult to treat.”
“You have one choice where you can use certain drugs and ultraviolet light treatments to try to make the white spots turn dark,” Klein explained. However, Jackson’s vitiligo “became so severe, that the easier way is to use certain creams” – very likely hydroquinone derivatives, say other industry experts – “that will make the dark spots turn light so you can even out the pigments totally.”
The treatment resulted in a uniform – albeit pale – skin tone. “That’s ultimately what the decision had to be. He would have to wear heavy, heavy makeup on stage, which would be ridiculous. And he couldn’t really go out in public without looking terribly peculiar.”
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