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“There exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.” http://www.lifenews.com/nat5268.html
Will there be a co-pay for forced abortions under Obama care?
John Holdren
In 1977 he co-authored (with Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich) Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment,[16] which discussed the possible role of a wide range of solutions to overpopulation, from voluntary family planning at one extreme, to enforced population controls at the other extreme. Holdren has subsequently stated that he does not believe that government should have a role in determining optimal population size, and that he has never endorsed forced sterilization.[17][18].
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Heckler, I would have given you more credit than that.
Nothing like a little early morning fear-mongering….
COOL TURNS COLD: OBAMA ‘BELOW 50%’
Fri Jul 24 2009 08:24:16 ET
For First Time, Obama’s Approval Rating Falls Below 50%
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance, RASMUSSEN will report later this morning.
This marks the first time his overall approval rating has ever fallen below 50% among Likely Voters nationwide. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.
Eighty-three percent (83%) of Democrats continue to approve of the President’’s performance while 80% of Republicans disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 37% offer a positive assessment.
The President earns approval from 51% of women and 47% of men.
RASMUSSEN was the most accurate pollster for the final results of the 2008 Presidential election.
Government monopsony distorts climate science, says SPPI
The climate industry is costing taxpayers $79 billion and counting
Washington, DC 7/22/2009 09:12 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)
The Science and Public Policy Institute announces the publication of Climate Money, a study by Joanne Nova revealing that the federal Government has a near-monopsony on climate science funding. This distorts the science towards self-serving alarmism. Key findings:
Ø The US Government has spent more than $79 billion of taxpayers’ money since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, administration, propaganda campaigns, foreign aid, and tax breaks. Most of this spending was unnecessary.
Ø Despite the billions wasted, audits of the science are left to unpaid volunteers. A dedicated but largely uncoordinated grassroots movement of scientists has sprung up around the globe to test the integrity of “global warming” theory and to compete with a lavishly-funded, highly-organized climate monopsony. Major errors have been exposed again and again.
Ø Carbon trading worldwide reached $126 billion in 2008. Banks, which profit most, are calling for more. Experts are predicting the carbon market will reach $2 – $10 trillion in the near future. Hot air will soon be the largest single commodity traded on global exchanges.
Ø Meanwhile, in a distracting sideshow, Exxon-Mobil Corp is repeatedly attacked for paying just $23 million to skeptics—less than a thousandth of what the US government spends on alarmists, and less than one five-thousandth of the value of carbon trading in 2008 alone.
Ø The large expenditure designed to prove the non-existent connection between carbon and climate has created a powerful alliance of self-serving vested interests.
Ø By pouring so much money into pushing a single, scientifically-baseless agenda, the Government has created not an unbiased investigation but a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Ø Sound science cannot easily survive the vice-like grip of politics and finance.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=104031&cat=12
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Sounds like someone is cooking the books!
Kerry panel looks at climate change and national security
Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor July 21, 2009 06:55 PM
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
WASHINGTON — Massive crop devastation, melting glaciers, water shortages, millions of displaced people — all of these will drag the US military into conflict if global climate change goes unchecked, a Senate panel was warned today.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, convened by Senator John F. Kerry of Massachusetts, focused on what so far has received only modest attention in the climate change debate: the effect it is bound to have on national defense.
“Addressing the consequences of changes in the Earth’s climate is not simply about saving polar bears or preserving the beauty of mountain glaciers,” retired Navy Vice Adm. Lee F. Gunn, president of the American Security Project, told the panel. “Climate change is a threat to our national security.”
Gunn and other military specialists said that climate change could have broad effects on how the US military operates. It will likely expand the number of humanitarian missions the Pentagon will have to undertake, they said, and even change how it deploys its fighting forces.
For example, they warned that rising sea levels could swamp critical US military bases in the Indian Ocean and even the headquarters of the Atlantic Fleet in Norfolk, Va., which could be under water after just a one-meter rise in the ocean level
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Even though science and the evidence at hand says this is fear mongering the lies continue and the rich in the movement get richer – reference ‘green’ banks and algore.
Rapid City Journal this morning reports on a woman working at a non-profit Dahl Arts Center who just got a “raise” because of the increase in the minimum wage. Her ‘raise’ resulted in a net decrease in her paycheck because her hours were cut slightly.
A Black Hills Pizza Hut location laid off 2 delivery drivers when the new minimum wage took effect.
Wow…sounds like a wonderful plan…demand that employers pay higher wages–regardless of the consequences. Typical short sighted “throw money at it” solution we see too often.
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
444 AM EDT FRI JUL 24 2009
…UNUSUALLY COOL JULY FOR CENTRAL PARK…
FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE…HERE ARE THE TOP TEN COOLEST JULYS ON RECORD
SINCE 1869 FOR CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY:
COOLEST
AVG. TEMP. YEAR
70.7 1888
71.9 1884
72.1 1914
72.3 2000/1871
72.4 1891
72.6 1895
72.8 1902/1869
72.9 1956
73.1 1890
73.2 2001
DUE TO THE UNUSUALLY COOL CONDITIONS THUS FAR IN JULY…HERE ARE
SOME INTERESTING FACTS TO NOTE…
WITH AN AVERAGE DAILY TEMPERATURE OF 71.6…CURRENTLY RUNNING 4.7
DEGREES BELOW NORMAL…THIS JULY IS ON TRACK FOR THE 2ND COOLEST
ON RECORD. BELOW AVERAGE TEMPERATURES HAVE OCCURRED ON 21 OUT OF
23 DAYS…WITH THE OTHER TWO DAYS BEING NORMAL. THERE HAVE BEEN
ZERO ABOVE NORMAL DAYS.
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Doesn’t look as if that melting will start in NY this season.
“It should be noted that Rasmussen is only shown as most correct because they changed their polling data at the last instant to give Obama a bigger lead”.
Somehow…the demand for increased wages didn’t make a majic provision for the non-profit art center to increase its income. Funny how the consequences seem to be ignored in the rush to “increase” wages…
One reason Barack Obama may think the Cambridge Police Department is “stupid” is that he has a grudge against the law enforcement agency.
Obama, who attended Harvard Law School from 1988 to 1991, lived in Cambridge, and apparently didn’t like the fact he was frequently hit with parking tickets.
In all Obama received 17 tickets for parking violations — and never paid 15 of them until he was exposed by a local Massachusetts newspaper as a scofflaw.
According to a 2007 Associated Press story, Obama was a parking ticket deadbeat for more than a decade — and only felt the need to pay the 15 outstanding parking tickets as his presidential campaign began in earnest in 2007.
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Another example of Harvard arrogance. No wonder Obama defended Gates his pal Gates.
Say Hey!
It’s been a long, long time since I heard a new song that was unique and so good you have to listen to it again, and maybe again.
Heard this yesterday for the first time, and found it on you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoaTl7IcFs8
Ramussen’s a joke.
donndublin
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:10 am | Permalink
One reason Barack Obama may think the Cambridge Police Department is “stupid” is that he has a grudge against the law enforcement agency.
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The Cambridge issue worries me. It makes me wonder if Obama’s reaction was knee-jerk racial. Because it was a black man, it’s automatically racial profiling?
That’s getting old.
Got a call from an NRCC kid who want’s money for the Patriot Program. It seems Lynn Jenkins is now considered vulnerable in the upcoming 2010 election’s.
I don’t think Jenkins is in any trouble what so ever. Whose her likely opponent? What’s she done to loose the second congressional seat?
okobserver posted July 24, 2009 at 7:56 am | Permalink
Government monopsony distorts climate science, says SPPI
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The AGW science deniers believe everything Lord Christopher Monckton says.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_and_Public_Policy_Institute
And BTW okobserver. . . Central Park in NY city does not = “global”.
Contras flail away in every direction . . .
“It should be noted that Rasmussen is only shown as most correct because they changed their polling data at the last instant to give Obama a bigger lead”.
Poll Accuracy in the 2008 Presidential Election
—Initial Report, November 5, 2008—
Costas Panagopoulos, Ph.D.
Department of Political Science
Fordham University
For inquiries: cpanagopoulo@fordham.edu or (917) 405-9069
For all the derision directed toward pre-election polling, the final poll estimates were not
far off from the actual nationwide voteshares for the two candidates. On average, preelection
polls from 23 public polling organizations projected a Democratic advantage of
7.52 percentage points on Election Day, which is only about 1.37 percentage points away
from the current estimate of a 6.15-point Obama margin in the national popular vote.
Following the procedures proposed by Martin, Traugott and Kennedy (see Public Opinion
Quarterly, Fall 2006, pp. 342-369) to assess poll accuracy, I analyze poll estimates from
these 23 polling organizations. Four of these polls appear to have overestimated McCain
support (indicated with a * below), while most polls (17) overestimated Obama strength.
Pre-election projections for two organizations’ final polls—Rasmussen and Pew—were
perfectly in agreement with the actual election result (**).
The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)
US military deaths in Afghanistan region at 670
By The Associated Press (AP) – 1 day ago
As of Wednesday, July 22, 2009, at least 670 members of the U.S. military had died in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan as a result of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, according to the Defense Department. The department last updated its figures Wednesday at 10 a.m. EDT.
Of those, the military reports 500 were killed by hostile action.
Outside the Afghan region, the Defense Department reports 68 more members of the U.S. military died in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. Of those, three were the result of hostile action. The military lists these other locations as Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba; Djibouti; Eritrea; Ethiopia; Jordan; Kenya; Kyrgyzstan; Philippines; Seychelles; Sudan; Tajikistan; Turkey; and Yemen.
There were also four CIA officer deaths and one military civilian death.
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The latest deaths reported by the military:
_ Two U.S. troops were killed Wednesday in southern Afghanistan.
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The latest identifications reported by the military:
_ Four soldiers died Monday in Wardak province, Afghanistan, when an improvised explosive device detonated near their vehicle, and enemy forces attacked with small arms and rocket-propelled grenades. All were assigned to the 4th Battalion, 25th Field Artillery (STRIKE), 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division (Light Infantry), Fort Drum, N.Y.
Killed were Sgt. Gregory Owens Jr., 24, Garland, Texas; Spc. Anthony M. Lightfoot, 20, Riverdale, Ga.; Spc. Andrew J. Roughton, 21, Houston; and Pfc. Dennis J. Pratt, 34, Duncan, Okla.
_ Army Spc. Raymundo P. Morales, 34, Dalton, Ga.; died Tuesday in Methar Lam, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained during a vehicle roll-over; assigned to the 148th Brigade Support Battalion, Cedartown, Ga.
On this date, Jul 24th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 109 °F (1981)
Low: 57 °F (1911
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
1. Offended the Queen of England
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions
7. Gave away billions to AIG, also without pre-conditions
8. Expanded the bailouts
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian
10. Doubled our national deficit
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 42 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering. Announced major restrictions on interrogation techniques used on enemy combatant prisoners.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other appointees withdrew after they couldn’t take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as “dangers to the nation”, groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word terrorism” no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as “man made disasters.
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America ’s greatness.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was mostly caused by illegal guns from the U.S.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins and announced ACORN [the organization under massive scrutiny amid allegations of election fraud] would manage the process.
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States .
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for torturing a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water over his face.
20. Air Force One flew over New York City for a photo op without notifying local authorities causing widespread panic at a cost of?
21. Took over the American Automobile industry and handed over 50% off to the unions because he said he owed them.
22. Continued his drive for absolute gun control activities, thumbing his nose at the 2nd Amendment.
23. Offered travel and living subsidies in the U.S. to Hamas activists displaced from the Gaza Strip.
24. Got more airtime [TV] than Oprah Winfrey and was seldom in Washington tending to the business of State.
25. Announced the closure of enemy combatants detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba but failed to address the issue of ‘what’ to do with the 200+ prisoners currently held there. Rumors persist that they’ll be housed on U.S. soil…
Other than that, we’re doing just fine.
Only 1360 more FRIGHTENING days to go….
‘Strong Evidence That Cloud Changes May Exacerbate Global Warming‘
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090723141812.htm
Regular posted July 21, 2009 at 10:19 am
Besides, with the phrase On this date, I’m assured minimal discrepancy that accuracy is not ignored.
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So which is correct, Regular, for “On this date, Jun 21st,. . .?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-721-3/comment-page-2/#comment-622797
High: 107 °F (1974)
Low: 53 °F (1970)
[or ]
High: 105 °F (1936)
Low: 52 °F (1902)
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Regular has zero credibility. He can’t even copy/paste simple temperature stats.
Plagiarized Laundry list of falsehoods and misrepresentations…
Find the photo of Obama greeting Chavez with a kiss… it should be easy google “obama chavez kiss”
cosmos,
What did you say was your education and training in Climate Science was?
Oh sorry, forgot – you have no science training or research background in any field at all – my bad.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
1. Offended the Queen of England
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Funny, the Queen never said she was offended. I guess if you’re a Republican, it’s ok to make that stuff up.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
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Damn that Obama. Now the world will obviously come to an end…
“cosmos_originally” observes –
“Regular has zero credibility. He can’t even copy/paste simple temperature stats.”
Better back off the “Regular”-bashing, guy. He might not invite you to his Juneteenth Party and Barbecue coming up in… August, I guess …to commemorate Thomas Jefferson’s presidency between January 20, 1777 and January 20, 1781.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega
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Simply amazing. I googled this one. There’s a really stupid conservative echo chamber out there.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek
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Uh, IIRC, Chavez kissed Obama.
Homoerotica much, Sol?
Nothing has changed on the Lib side – the party of personal attacks, name-calling, hate, lies and BEE ESS are standard posts of the Obamatrons and worship primates.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
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Is she cute?
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions
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KILL HIM!!!!!!!
The nerve of that Bastid! If he had one inch of guts, we’d have nuked Iran back to the stone age!
#
cosmos_originally
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink
Regular posted July 21, 2009 at 10:19 am
Besides, with the phrase On this date, I’m assured minimal discrepancy that accuracy is not ignored.
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So which is correct, Regular, for “On this date, Jun 21st,. . .?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-721-3/comment-page-2/#comment-622797
High: 107 °F (1974)
Low: 53 °F (1970)
[or ]
High: 105 °F (1936)
Low: 52 °F (1902)
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Regular has zero credibility. He can’t even copy/paste simple temperature stats.
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cosMo continues to beat a dead horse because of a typo. He has nothing else. CosMo has zero credentials and mocks the professionals on this blog who do. He hides behind his anonymity for fear of being exposed as a political hack.
Just Nick like Stokes (fictional character from CSI) Algore, and John Kerry, the AGW alarmists continue to show how politics trumps science.
“You should try to learn the basics about climate science, instead of wasting of wasting your time fantasizing about things stuck up as$es”- cosMo
And cosMo takes hypocrisy to a “higher level of consciousness.”
“7. Gave away billions to AIG, also without pre-conditions”
BUSH LOANED AIG $85 billion to prevent global meltdown…
“George Bush today defended the US central bank’s decision to bail out giant insurer AIG and sought to reassure markets that his administration was intent on confronting the growing crisis.” guardian.co.uk/business/2008/sep/18/wallstreet.georgebush
You want to nuke the Iranians who are defying the government demanding more freedoms?????? WTF!
Monkeyhawk posted July 24, 2009 at 9:00 am
“cosmos_originally” observes –
“Regular has zero credibility. He can’t even copy/paste simple temperature stats.”
Better back off the “Regular”-bashing, guy. He might not invite you to his Juneteenth Party and Barbecue coming up in… August, I guess …to commemorate Thomas Jefferson’s presidency between January 20, 1777 and January 20, 1781.
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Oh. . . I’d hate to not be invited to that party. /sarcasm off.
At his Juneteenth Party and Barbecue, Regular will demonstrate how to mangle data while doing a simple copy/paste.
When Obama tortures and helps cover up mass murders.. then you may have something to complain about… npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106890883
donndublin posted July 24, 2009 at 9:11 am
cosMo continues to beat a dead horse because of a typo.
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I continue to ask Regular to say which are the correct stats for June 21st.
And Regular continues to attack me, instead of answering my question.
#
cosmos_originally
Posted July 24, 2009 at 9:19 am | Permalink
donndublin posted July 24, 2009 at 9:11 am
cosMo continues to beat a dead horse because of a typo.
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I continue to ask Regular to say which are the correct stats for June 21st.
And Regular continues to attack me, instead of answering my question.
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It was an obvious typo on my part cosmos.
I’m not going to spend a lot of time on a subject so insignificant, which would also include you cosmos.
In foreign issues that matter rather than kissing the rears of our allies, North Korea is shooting missles like they’re bottle rockets and the Iranian Government has shown human rights violations along the lines of Tiananmen Square.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 42 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering. Announced major restrictions on interrogation techniques used on enemy combatant prisoners.
Obama supported suppression of newly revealed Abu Ghraib photos of detainee abuse as it would endanger our troops.
foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/13/white-house-obama-release-photos-detainee-abuse/
Images of detainee abuse at the hands of U.S. troops, which President Obama has barred from public view, so “infuriated” the nation’s highest-ranking military officer he demanded leaders ensure continued training of troops to prevent abuse, according to a senior Pentagon official.
cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/23/mullen.detainee.abuse/index.html?eref=rss_politics
Yes, he did forbid torture. Boo hoo hoo!!
And George H.W. Bush took us right into war with China after Tienanmen Square, too, didn’t he?
North Korea’s missiles are bottle rockets.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
7. Gave away billions to AIG, also without pre-conditions
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Gave away? I was under the impression that it was a loan. Dam that Obama for averting a financial melt down!
DavidB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 9:14 am | Permalink
You want to nuke the Iranians who are defying the government demanding more freedoms?????? WTF!
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Sarcasm Dave, sarcasm.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
8. Expanded the bailouts
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That would be the bailouts that started during who’s administration?
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian
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Oh, the horror! But I’m a little surprised that you give a schit.
Regular posted July 24, 2009 at 9:23 am
I continue to ask Regular to say which are the correct stats for June 21st.
And Regular continues to attack me, instead of answering my question.
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It was an obvious typo on my part cosmos.
I’m not going to spend a lot of time on a subject so insignificant, which would also include you cosmos.
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LOL!
Regular considers the Wichita temperature stats that he copy/pastes to the WE blog every day an “insignificant” subject.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
10. Doubled our national deficit
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That’s been done before.
Silly rabbit.
By the tone of your posts XXX I take your definition of “Change we can belive in” to be “Bush f-ed it up just as bad.”
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
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ACK! The North Koreans! Everybody panic! Break out the plastic sheets and grey tape!
donndublin,
Has your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend, Dennis Hedke, made any public comments about the other “hockey sticks” that are similar to the Dr. Mann et al reconstructions?
Such as Moberg et al. 2005, Osborn and Briffa 2006, and the others graphed and linked at,
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia
As opposed to Bush Holding his hands and kissing him?
Cambridge top cop stands by department after Harvard arrest
(CNN) — The commissioner of the Cambridge, Massachusetts, police department said Thursday he “deeply regrets” the arrest of prominent black Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., but stands by the procedures followed by his department.
“I believe that Sgt. [James] Crowley acted in a way that is consistent with his training at the department, and consistent with national standards of law enforcement protocol,” Commissioner Robert Haas said, referring to the officer who made the July 16 arrest at the professor’s home.
“I do not believe his actions in any way were racially motivated,” Haas said at a news conference.
Mr_Kia
Posted July 24, 2009 at 9:40 am | Permalink
By the tone of your posts XXX I take your definition of “Change we can belive in” to be “Bush f-ed it up just as bad.”
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Not really my point, but I wouldn’t dissagree with that statement. I just chose a particularly stupid fear-mongering post to pick on.
But it’s getting boring. Same dingbat crrap, different day.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 42 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering. Announced major restrictions on interrogation techniques used on enemy combatant prisoners.
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No bamboo slivers under the fingernails?
What effect will that have on the bamboo sliver market?
It’s getting so a torturer can’t have any fun anymore.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 8:33 am | Permalink
Just a little list to bring you up to speed on all of OBAMA’S accomplishments to date.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two other appointees withdrew after they couldn’t take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as “dangers to the nation”, groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word terrorism” no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as “man made disasters.
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America ’s greatness.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was mostly caused by illegal guns from the U.S.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins and announced ACORN [the organization under massive scrutiny amid allegations of election fraud] would manage the process.
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States .
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for torturing a terrorist who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans by pouring water over his face.
20. Air Force One flew over New York City for a photo op without notifying local authorities causing widespread panic at a cost of?
21. Took over the American Automobile industry and handed over 50% off to the unions because he said he owed them.
22. Continued his drive for absolute gun control activities, thumbing his nose at the 2nd Amendment.
23. Offered travel and living subsidies in the U.S. to Hamas activists displaced from the Gaza Strip.
24. Got more airtime [TV] than Oprah Winfrey and was seldom in Washington tending to the business of State.
25. Announced the closure of enemy combatants detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba but failed to address the issue of ‘what’ to do with the 200+ prisoners currently held there. Rumors persist that they’ll be housed on U.S. soil…
Other than that, we’re doing just fine.
Only 1360 more FRIGHTENING days to go….
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YAWN…….
I think some of us libs should maybe consider switching sides, just to keep the dialogue entertaining and thought provoking.
cosmos spews:
LOL!
Regular considers the Wichita temperature stats that he copy/pastes to the WE blog every day an “insignificant” subject.
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They are just temperature statistics for Wichita Kansas cosmos.
For statements like this is why I know you don’t have a scientific bone in your body.
You exhibit on a daily basis a very non-objective bias and visible hatred of anyone who has a differing view on the matter of climate.
Real scientists don’t have an agenda, they do science. That leads me to believe you have never been a scientist nor could you ever become one.
Your whole focus in life cosmos, is a politically driven agenda with constant attacks on others whose research state differently than what you post.
Research requires years and perhaps decades of observation and testing, not some daily blog report that supports your view. Conclusions based on by-lines will fail you every single time.
New national poll.
Approve of Sarah Palin 40%
Disapprove 53%
The front runner for the nomination of her party for President is a guaranteed loser. The beauty is that they steadfastly will not see it!
Approve of Sarah Palin 40%
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Other than you BlueJay, who cares?
This is 2009.
Bluejay who besides you cares. She isn’t one of our elected leaders. She is leaving the gov of Alaska post behind.
What is this obsession you have with her.
Following part of todays thread – Obama was elected to be prez. Not Palin, Not Romney, Not McCain, etc.. I really don’t care at this point if the entirety of Asia, Europe love him. Our economy is in the tank. Unemployment is much too high.
If he repairs these problems then he can become king of the world with my blessings. But until then he has a failing reign in the US.
“The front runner for the nomination of her party for President is a guaranteed loser.”
You can only hope. As a Republican, though only nominally, It appears from my point of the that the only people interested in Sarah Palin is liberals and Democrats. They hope she will be the nominee, because by then, Obama will be in deep s#%t
Geithner battling Bernanke for the new consumer protection authority. I’d favor the Geithner approach, a new regulatory agency with broad powers over all financial institutions. The Fed failed once in its oversight responsibilities, should they be given a second chance?
Of course Repubs desperately trying to limit any new regulation.
In my opinion
3 con reactionaries in less than 8 minutes. Not bad.
lil’ Sarah’s your nominee. You can’t win without the nuts who will force her on you.
But you REALLY can’t win with them!
Hey, what have Sam (the Sham) Browback’s roomies been doing lately?
“ When you go to a place like C Street, you become a member of what The Family in their internal documents call ‘prayer cells,’ an outlandish word, but that’s their term for it. That’s what (Oklahoma Sen. Tom) Coburn and Ensign and (Kansas Sen. Sam) Brownback, all these guys… what it is is a small, private meeting of like-minded men who believe that their prayers are better heard by God if they pray with men of equal status and power.”
— http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jul/24/jon-ralston-c-street/
Bluejay I will say right now that Romney is my nominee. That might change in the future but he is the only one with the credentials to clean up this financial mess we find ourselves in. He would have been much stronger in the last election is the MSM hadn’t made his religion such a big issue.
Palin is in my opinion a person who is entitled to her privacy so she can get back to parenting her children without the world looking over her shoulder.
BJ how do you think you would fare if the world saw how you are raising your son?
“JR is still imagining himself somehow relevant. How quaint.” – GMC70
“Bluejay I will say right now that Romney is my nominee. ”
So, Ken instead of Barbie? HE couldn’t even make a decent showing in the primary.
BlueJay sings….
Lovin every minute of it!1
Actually Monkey it goes back to a verse in the bible.
” “Where two or more are gathered in my name, there will I (God) be also.”
People have met for prayer meetings for centuries. Now as to whether you think they should be doing this well that would be your decision but I feel they have the right to do it. Does this mean they are without sin – not by the definition of the bible ‘for all have sinned’. Well enough bible education for the day.
Have a great day – I have one planned.
Sorry Bluejay for a minute there I thought I was dialoguing with an adult.
The Moose-Dresser is so out of her depth in Repubic Party intramural fights she’s gonna get chewed up and spat out whole.
McCain’s thrown her under the bus. Romney is suspected of leaking and spillage of a lot of the early Sanford scandal stuff. Gingrich screwed her pooch big time when she went through that on-again, off-again, on-again thing to be keynote speaker at one of the winter’s most important fund raising dinners. (That doesn’t sound like much, but in DC circles it was a rilly rilly beeeg deal.)
Ron Paul even came out yesterday and accused Caribou Barbie of being an elitist, a “country club Repubican!”
Poor Sarah’s gonna be stuck with the birthers and secessionists.
Regular posted July 24, 2009 at 9:52 am
cosmos spews:
LOL!
Regular considers the Wichita temperature stats that he copy/pastes to the WE blog every day an “insignificant” subject.
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They are just temperature statistics for Wichita Kansas cosmos.
For statements like this is why I know you don’t have a scientific bone in your body.
You exhibit on a daily basis a very non-objective bias and visible hatred of anyone who has a differing view on the matter of climate.
Real scientists don’t have an agenda, they do science. That leads me to believe you have never been a scientist nor could you ever become one.
Your whole focus in life cosmos, is a politically driven agenda with constant attacks on others whose research state differently than what you post.
Research requires years and perhaps decades of observation and testing, not some daily blog report that supports your view. Conclusions based on by-lines will fail you every single time.
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LOL!
Regular goes into a long, bogus, irrelevant, arm-flailing attack, instead of just posting the correct stats.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-724-3/comment-page-2/#comment-624276
LOL!
Regular goes into a long, bogus, irrelevant, arm-flailing attack, instead of just posting the correct stats.
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I do believe you already posted the June 21st temperatures cosmos.
So who is going on with long, bogus, irrelevant, arm-flailing posts and attacks?
It isn’t me, the issue was resolved. It’s not a big thing cosmos, really it isn’t.
Get a life…
Most everything said here is irrelevant.
Regular posted July 24, 2009 at 10:30 am
It isn’t me, the issue was resolved. It’s not a big thing cosmos, really it isn’t.
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Regular does not care if he posts inaccurate stats.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-724-3/comment-page-2/#comment-624276
Remember that fact about Regular, when you read his daily temperature copy/paste post.
Cosmos get a life. You are borrrrrinnnnggggg and not an expert. At least not so anyone could tell it from your posts.
XXX says – Holdren has subsequently stated that he does not believe that government should have a role in determining optimal population size, and that he has never endorsed forced sterilization.[17][18].
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Says who?
Show me.
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XXX says- Heckler, I would have given you more credit than that.
Nothing like a little early morning fear-mongering….
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No, just wondering what kind of health care plan we’re gonna have rammed up our arse by the Party of Death.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 24, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink
Regular posted July 24, 2009 at 10:30 am
It isn’t me, the issue was resolved. It’s not a big thing cosmos, really it isn’t.
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Regular does not care if he posts inaccurate stats.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-724-3/comment-page-2/#comment-624276
Remember that fact about Regular, when you read his daily temperature copy/paste post.
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Wow cosmos, I made a couple of errors – sue me.
It’s really not that important, I do it as an interesting tidbit of information for my fellow bloggers.
Since you have such a burr in your backside about it, I’ll no longer post the temperatures.
I thought it was an interesting piece of trivia to observe when people might remember eventful years where temperatures were very hot or cold.
So cosmos, you’ll get your wish, I’ll just stop posting them so you won’t get your thong shoved further up your crack.
Congressional Republicans may have tacked to the right since President Obama’s election, but one candidate hoping to join them in D.C. is taking a drastically different approach. Running to replace Republican Rep. John McHugh, New York Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava managed to win her party’s nomination despite being pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and supportive of organized labor. “Now more than ever, people are looking for leadership and independence, and for people that don’t follow what the party leaders tell them to do,” Scozzafava told Politico. While Scozzafava’s positions might be necessary to win in the increasingly Democratic region, she’s already drawing fire from conservatives outside the state. “This is what Republican suicide looks like,” wrote Erick Erickson, founder of RedState.com. The site is currently threatening to support the Democratic nominee in protest.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25362.html#ixzz0MAap3Tk1
Regular,
Since you do not care if your temperature stats posts are accurate, you should stop posting them.
Linda in New York these are conservatives positions.
The thought occurs to me, that if Obama fails, and America fails… the CONS wont have any plans to fix it…
Hey, CONS, if Obama fails, what will happen to all of your alleged hoarded cash?? What will happen to all of your fear mongering?? If Obama fails, who will come to get all of your guns, and take you off to the “camps”?? Who will bring on all of the “horrors” you post about all the time… What WILL happen to all those people who need transplants, and all of those needy surgeries?? Where will the money come from, if Obama fails??
More importantly… What will happen to the National Security of this Nation?? Will we need another CON in power, so we can get bombed again, and rebuild world-wide sympathy, and boost the sagging economy??
Just questions…
I just dont understand… How can SO MANY who claim to be such LOYAL Americans, want our Nation to FAIL so much, that they refuse to get on board, and make things WORK….
Strange, indeed….
Chas,
No true American wants our Nation to fail.
XXX
Posted July 24, 2009 at 9:49 am | Permalink
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YAWN…….
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Yeeeeeah, OK. LMFAO. It is all you have posted about on this thread. Freakin hysterical. Sure is easy to get you obama apologist’s panties in a bunch.
Being against Obama’s crack-pot policies and ideologies is not “wanting our Nation to fail”.
I also dont believe for one minute that any of you griping, bit*hing CONS even MAKE more than $250,000 per year… And yet you rag against the tax cuts that will be forthcoming for those making less than $250,000 per year….
Since you dont make that kind of money, WHY do you keep griping at OBAMA??? YOU yourselves will benefit from his tax proposals… Why do you want to shoot yourselves in the foot??
Oh yea, is the REAL reason you want CC in every State so you can take a shot at anybody you consider a threat to your personal security… y’know, like the “eeeevil” liberals?? or maybe Obama??
I mean, you CC folks all say you need that testosterone substitute strapped on for protection from your enemies….
Just sayin….
Heckler
Posted July 24, 2009 at 10:51 am | Permalink
XXX says – Holdren has subsequently stated that he does not believe that government should have a role in determining optimal population size, and that he has never endorsed forced sterilization.[17][18].
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Says who?
Show me.
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Wiki is your friend.
I just dont understand… How can SO MANY who claim to be such LOYAL Americans, want our Nation to FAIL so much, that they refuse to get on board, and make things WORK….
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True enough. The only problem is that there are those out there that believe their ideas are the only good ones that there will always those who refuse to modify their positions(well documented by postings on these blogs) that I’m afraid it will never happen,until libs and cons drop the labels and simply say I’m an American.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:17 am | Permalink
XXX
Posted July 24, 2009 at 9:49 am | Permalink
Yeeeeeah, OK. LMFAO. It is all you have posted about on this thread. Freakin hysterical. Sure is easy to get you obama apologist’s panties in a bunch.
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Gotcha!
cosmos_originally
Posted July 24, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink
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Regular does not care if he posts inaccurate stats.
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LMFAO. Regular, a poster on the WEBlog as opposed to the criminal activist Hansen posting erroneous data.
You sure can pick ‘em cosmo. Regular for a typo but you apologize till you’re blue in the face for hansen.
Hey, isn’t the head of the IPCC an economist?
LMFAO. I just spit Gatorade all over my key board. I made one post this morning. I don’t even care to count the number XXX made. But, yeah, XXX “got me”. LMFAO. Right then.
Oh yea, is the REAL reason you want CC in every State so you can take a shot at anybody you consider a threat to your personal security… y’know, like the “eeeevil” liberals?? or maybe Obama??- Chas
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Yeah Chas, that’s it.
Jeebus.
Chas-
If the WPE fails….
America wins!
chew on that.
The Cambridge PD are just held a press conference. They are defending Crowley and they want Obama to apologize for making a the “stupidity” comment.
Will he apologize?
Chas-
IfWhen the WPE fails….America wins!
chew on that.
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Fixed it fer ya. First one is free.
Remember the Alamo (Tony), from the article sounds like he was another con upset about Waco, and govt. persecution. He’d fit right in with some of the posters.
BTW, he was convicted.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_on_re_us/us_evangelist_child_abuse_38
Dondublin- Will he apologize?
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No.
Will he apologize?
Schit. I got a bet going that this will be history by Monday. You know, obama steps in it again and the press ignores it.
one
big
ass
mistake
america
Oh wait wait wait. I got it covered. I’ll go 2:1 that obama figures out a way to balme bush for it !!!
The police are AGAIN behaving stupidly in upping the ante.
You don’t arrest a man in his own home for no reason.
This will do nothing that helps the image of law enforcement.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink
Oh wait wait wait. I got it covered. I’ll go 2:1 that obama figures out a way to balme bush for it !!!
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He may not get so specific.
Probably just blame americas evil past….
“Sure is easy to get you obama apologist’s panties in a bunch.”
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Apologist? Hardly. I support Obama because I didn’t (and don’t) see much choice. Of course unlike you Republicans, I don’t want to see Obama and the nation fail. Have you guys really considered what’s going to happen if this country melts down? If you think it’s better to rule in He11, maybe you’re about to find out. All of your precious investments will be worthless. Same with your money. That nice house you live in? It might make you a target. Do you really want to go to survival of the fittest? Anarchy? You might just be surprised to find that the “fittest” doesn’t include you.
Give me a choice besides Obama next time around. Not the usual pea-brains. Put up a Charlie Christ, maybe Jeb Bush (he’s nothing like his dingbat bro), a Haley Barbor. Forget Palin. Better to tie a rock around your neck and jump off the bridge now.
And please, forget the comic relief. That means the fool Ron Paul.
Chas
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink
I also dont believe for one minute that any of you griping, bit*hing CONS even MAKE more than $250,000 per year… And yet you rag against the tax cuts that will be forthcoming for those making less than $250,000 per year….
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Chas I have made that much in past. Of course I won’t if my small business is going to be taxed to the hilt, but I hope to. Energy taxes, health insurance increases, cap and tax, unemployment increases will effect my company’s bottom line.
Since a lot of libs are not self-employed or work for the government on this bolg, they are ignorant of that.
Continue making your baseless commits to show your arrogance and foolishness.
B.J. says- “You don’t arrest a man in his own home for no reason.”
If you are responding to a possible burglary in progress and the man you find in the house won’t identify himself you will. If you get verbally abused over the fact that you did your job per all department regs and the diquehead in the home insults your mother you do.
Obama’s the diquehead who had NO business getting involved. He may be highly educated but he sure is stupid.
How long before Gates sees the bottom side of the bus?
Shhhhh!
Don’t let the CONs in on Obama’s secret plan!
Health Coverage Reform fails.
Business fails!
America fails!
And the only grown industry left will be new prisons! CONcentration Camps!
We take all their guns and round ‘em all up and they’ll build their own jails and showers and crematoria and, since it’s a carbon-neutral fuel we’ll make all the rest of us drive tiny little electric cars instead of step-side pick-ups and SUVs…!!!
And then the only problems we’ll have to face is how to dispose of all the lead we’ll be stuck with after we melt down all the bullets.
And when all of America is tainted by lead, we’ll move the capital of the world to Kenya (closer for regular Group Fare Tours to Riyadh so everyone can bow to the King of Saudi Arabia, as mandated by law!).
But don’t tell the CONs, fellow “libs.”
It’ll be our little secret.
If you get verbally abused over the fact that you did your job per all department regs and the diquehead in the home insults your mother you do.
Cambridge law may be different. I don’t THINK a cop can arrest you for hurting his feelings.
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biased1
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink
Chas-
If the WPE fails….
America wins!
chew on that.
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What is the “WPE”?
BlueJay
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink
The police are AGAIN behaving stupidly in upping the ante.
You don’t arrest a man in his own home for no reason.
This will do nothing that helps the image of law enforcement.
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Jesus H Christ! Do you even live on the same planet we do?
Proof positive that you just can’t fix stupid.
The question I have to ask is, why is the officer still there?
There is no break in. The resident has provided ID. Why didn’t he just leave?
The POTUS playing the race card……SHAMEFUL
soldevvb posted July 24, 2009 at 11:20 am
You sure can pick ‘em cosmo. Regular for a typo but you apologize till you’re blue in the face for hansen.
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I didn’t apologize for GISS, for a error made by another group that compiled the October data.
And Regular has refused to correct his error.
Having been cuffed for no other reason than sitting on my porch in the late evening, I can share if the Professor’s outrage. I said nothing except ‘what are you doing, I live here.’
Heckler
Obama’s the diquehead who had NO business getting involved. He may be highly educated but he sure is stupid.
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What a bonehead move. What the he11 was Obama thinking?
Apparently, some have no problem with police arresting people for no reason. Fortunately, that is not a majority opinion in this country.
Freebird1971
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink
The POTUS playing the race card……SHAMEFUL
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Seems that way, doesn’t it?
Heckler
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink
If you are responding to a possible burglary in progress and the man you find in the house won’t identify himself you will. If you get verbally abused over the fact that you did your job per all department regs and the diquehead in the home insults your mother you do.
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Why do you misrepresent the situation? Gates did identify himself with two forms of identification.
Also, it’s not against the law to be a ‘diquehead’ or to insult someone’s mother, especially on your own property. Once Gates provided identification to the officer and the officer could reasonably ascertain that there was no crime to investigate, that should have been the end of it. The officer should have left Mr. Gates’ property. The officer got his feelings hurt and let his emotions get the best of him. That is stupid and unprofessional.
I think BJ’s mother was an idiot for not being celibate.
Daniel take that up the with the Cambridge PD. They disagree.
Wow, somebody has been hitting the koolaid hard today. Let’s break this down:
Apologist? Hardly. I support Obama because I didn’t (and don’t) see much choice.
Doesn’t explain your apologies for him.
Of course unlike you Republicans
Whiffed on that one scooter. Not a republican.
I don’t want to see Obama and the nation fail.
Then why are you supporting these idiotic “Sounds good feels good” policies that will bankrupt America?
, Have you guys really considered what’s going to happen if this country melts down?
I have no choice. I see the president and congress making decisions based on their own political longevity and utterly ignoring the will of the people and the consequences of their decisions.
If you think it’s better to rule in He11, maybe you’re about to find out.
This country will resemble hell, but I won’t be ruling it. I’m not a koolaid drinker that bought into these idiotic policies.
All of your precious investments will be worthless. Same with your money.
Are you seriously that blind? What do you think dumping trillions of dollars on a depressed economy is going to do. C’mon man, you’re smarter than this.
That nice house you live in? It might make you a target.
I’m already a target because I am a freedom and liberty loving Libertarian. The administration you seem to adore so much doesn’t care much for individuals like me.
Do you really want to go to survival of the fittest? Anarchy? You might just be surprised to find that the “fittest” doesn’t include you.
Of course it doesn’t include me. In obama’s world, if you aren’t seated at the table, you are on the plate being served up. I won’t abandon my convictions for freedom and liberty to lap the hand of a socialist just to save my own hide. Can you say the same?
Give me a choice besides Obama next time around. Not the usual pea-brains.
I agree 100%
Put up a Charlie Christ, maybe Jeb Bush (he’s nothing like his dingbat bro),
No thanx. Had enough of Neocons.
Haley Barbor.
Don’t know this person.
Forget Palin.
Uhm, yeah. Conservatives forgot about her a loooong time ago. It seems to be liberals and liberal supporters that have some ungodly love for giving her attention.
Better to tie a rock around your neck and jump off the bridge now.
That may be your choice. I believe I’ll stand up for my liberties and the liberties of my brothers and sisters. Let me know how that rock thing works out for you.
And please, forget the comic relief. That means the fool Ron Paul.
I challenge you to find another politician with the same tenacity for foreign, domestic and fiscal policy that would do better for America. I won’t hold my breath. Hell it is basically a rhetorical question.
Police saying that the officer will have no further comment:good.
Police keeping the story going: Stupid
I posted yesterday it was bad cop work.
A good cop can have a bad day.
This guy may be a good cop. But he had a bad day even if he’s a bad cop.
See, that’s part of the job.
Cops never encounter someone who’s having a good day.
Even if Gates went all Tasmanian Devil on his ass the cop should have cuffed him and figured out the cause of the frustration. Coming back from an overseas trip and not being able to get into my own house might be frustrating. Especially when a cop accuses me of breaking into my own house.
As I posted yesterday, there certainly is some cause for the cop’s attention; it’s not unheard of that divorcing couples change locks in the process of that particular legal cat fight.
But to cart Gates off to jail and charge him with pi$$@nt charges which were immediately dismissed by a judge… sure points to a cop having a bad day.
It should have ended at that.
But Gates is a prominent African American and CONs just love to play the race card.
It was pretty shifty, really.
Obama talks for 50 minutes about how much of a wreck health care coverage is in America, and the Fakes Noise Channel covers 50-seconds about how the President of the United States is diffident about cops barging into a man’s home and carting him off to jail for…, uhm…, being in his own home.
“Phantom
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:59 am | Permalink
Having been cuffed for no other reason than sitting on my porch in the late evening, I can share if the Professor’s outrage. I said nothing except ‘what are you doing, I live here”
What was the charge? What was the provocation?
Why were the police there?
Worst President ever = WPE
With everying else going on in this country,why would obama even deign to comment on a situation that if he hadn’t would have been old news in 12 hours?
I don’t agree with everything stated here, but quite a bit, I do. It is only ~6 min’s and well worth it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA
Wodering if the roles in the situation had been reversed would have obama called the police stupid?
Freebird1971
Posted July 24, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink
The POTUS playing the race card……SHAMEFUL
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nd now come the LIES… What Obama said was that he DID NOT know Wednesday evening if RACE had anything to do with the situation…
After that he said the Cambridge PD acted stupidly… Gee, I wish you guys wouldnt resort to LYING when your feelings get bruised…
And YES, Prof. Gates DID provide two forms of ID… BOTH of them Picture ID’s…
So, let’s stay with FACTS….
Did Gates over-react?? Looks like it…
Did the Officer cross the boundary lines?? Looks like it…
No charges were filed… Case over…
Most of you have read Gate’s account. I’d suggest you read the police reports from two officers involved. They can be found here:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html
While the officer didn’t HAVE to make the arrest, it appears he had a basis to do so. To be blunt, I don’t believe Gate’s account. The two officers who’s reports are available are consistent with each other, and it appears Gates was, to be blunt, acting like an a**.
What is more troubling is that the president made comments about a local, minor police matter (which he has no jurisdiction or interest in, aside from apparantly being friends with Gates) without, by his own admission, having all the facts. One would hope the president would get all the facts, from both sides, before commenting, if he comments at all.
But that’s what happens when we elect a rookie.
ahs, just voicing my opinion its not my problem if it doesnt agree with yours
“But to cart Gates off to jail and charge him with pi$$@nt charges which were immediately dismissed by a judge”
Please provide documentation that it was dismissed “by a judge”
Sorry I meant Chas
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“Freeburd1971″ asks –
“…why would obama even deign to comment…?”
Uhm…
Some reporter asked him a question during a news conference?
What was he supposed to say?
“Oh yeah?! Well FUC# YOU!!!”
This is such a desperate attempt by CONs to distract from the fifty minutes President Obama spent shooting down all objections to Health Coverage Reform.
Pretty transparent, too.
I gotta say.
You CONs are dirty fighters, but you’re good dirty fighters.
“Some reporter asked him a question during a news conference?
What was he supposed to say?”
How about, “I don;t know the facts of the case, and until I do, I wn’t have a comment.”
“This is such a desperate attempt by CONs to distract from the fifty minutes President Obama spent shooting down all objections to Health Coverage Reform.”
yeah, right.
Damn. LJ beat me to it.
Uhm…
Some reporter asked him a question during a news conference?
What was he supposed to say?
“Oh yeah?! Well FUC# YOU!!!”
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Obama’s first sentence (paraphrased) was “I don’t have all the facts.”
He should have left it there. To continue and pass judgement on what you don’t know is plain arrogant and ignorant.
To support what obama said is just ignorant.
Any opportunity to race-bait is always welcome. All heat and no light is generated. It’s become that fat radio guy’s trump card…
Working class folks have been beat up by bad policies for 30 years. Politicos know it’s better to keep the working class to fight each other than to be angry at those policies that are degrade our lives…
Obamacare! ?
Manditory counseling on ending the lives of the elderly?
Damn. And you people are supporting this? You’re just sick.
http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstream?dispid=320&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD03MzUxJnBsYXlsaXN0PXRydWUmY2hhcnR0eXBlPWNoYXJ0JmNoYXJ0SUQ9MzIwJnBsYXlsaXN0U2l6ZT01
I heard that the cop keyed his mike and activated a recorder once Gates started getting ugly.
What you want to bet they release it if Gates and Oboy don’t apologize?
“DavidB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 12:34 pm | Permalink
Any opportunity to race-bait is always welcome”
So says President Obama
Some reporter asked him a question during a news conference?
What was he supposed to say?
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How ’bout something like this?
I don’t have all the facts from both sides on the incident, and in any case it’s a local matter over which I have no say or jurisdiction. I’m therefore not in a position to comment. Next question . . .”
“it appears Gates was, to be blunt, acting like an a**. ”
And since when is that illegal in the privacy of your own home?
Officer Crowley should have apologized, assured the Professor that he was only doing his job, and left.
Republican HealthScare Policy?
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BlueJay
Posted July 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Permalink
“it appears Gates was, to be blunt, acting like an a**. ”
And since when is that illegal in the privacy of your own home?
Officer Crowley should have apologized, assured the Professor that he was only doing his job, and left.
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Why?
If you were in Crowley’s position, you wouldn’t have apologized either. Of course, you think everything that happens bad, is someone Else’s fault.
“littlejohn” advises President Obama –
“How about, “I don;t know the facts of the case, and until I do, I wn’t have a comment.”
Yeah, that might have been better.
Of course, the CONs would’ve probably accused him of “evasion!!!!”
I might have said, “I don’t know all the facts but it seems pretty stupid.” (I suspect there was a fair about of stupidity on both sides.)
As I said in my “bad cop work” posts, a cop isn’t supposed to aggravate an already testy situation.
This cop did.
If responses I get from CONs in this forum are any indication, the CONs would’ve gone ahead and accuse President Obama of calling the Cambridge cops “stupid,” ignoring my recognition there was stupidity working in the Gates confrontation.
I want cops to burst into, say, “Regular’s”
sister’shouse and handcuff him for no reason whatsoever.Just to get his reaction.
Who asked {resident Obama the question? Does anyone know? I’m just curious.
Seems like talk radidiots and the Fakes Noise Channel hopped on this in a hurry and with a passion.
Do they talk about the first fifty minutes of the news conference… about reforming health coverage?
Nope.
Nicely played, CONs.
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GMC70
Posted July 24, 2009 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
But that’s what happens when we elect a rookie.
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Aside from Presidents standing for re-election and President Cleaveland, when have we ever not elected a POTUS who was a rookie?
I read both accounts of the incident and I suspect that the truth falls somewhere in the middle.
Obama now making an address on an education improvement program.
In some places, Clergy are frequently invited to “RIDE ALONG” with local Police on patrol…
I have done this in a number of different places… Quite educational… When an officer gets a call such as that from dispatch like Officer Crowley got, (possible BE) at a certain address… The officer responds to the call…
Upon arriving at the address, the officer pulls up the address on the squad cars’ computer data base… That identifies the resident(s)….
They then, normally, pull up the resident, and check for photo ID, DL, etc.
IF Officer Crowley did that, he would have KNOWN who Prof. Gates was as soon as he SAW him…
In addition, the Professor has apparently lived at that address for 20 years… He was certainly not an unknown individual in the Cambridge community, as he lived in Harvard Square…
This professor is the W. E. B. DuBois Professor of African-American Studies at Harvard University… This is not merely a “college instructor” position… It is, indeed, an Endowed Professorship…
Just with the Squad Car ID alone, this officer SHOULD have known Professor Gates was not an intruder…
Why didnt he?? I dont know…
We know the 911 caller was not just a neighbor… but someone passing through the neighborhood…
It has been reported that the 911 caller waited for Police to arrive… Not any problem there…
Now, IF Officer Crowley had checked the squad car computer database, and pulled up Professor Gates’ DL… he would have had a visual ID on the screen… None of the rest of this story would have, or should have been necessary….
Such was not the case…
Charges were all dismissed against the Professor… Story should now end… Obama didnt do it… He merely responded to a question from a reporter… AT A PRESS CONFERENCE…. If Obama had made his remarks in his opening statement, you CONS might have a point… HE ANSWERED A FRIGGIN QUESTION!!! HE SAID HE DIDNT HAVE ALL OF THE FACTS… HE SAID HE DIDNT KNOW IF RACE PLAYED ANY ROLE AT ALL…. HE DID SAY THE POLICE ACTED STUPIDLY….
After the many times I have ridden with Police Officers over the years, I am inclined to agree with Obama…
As to WHY Officer Crowley acted as he did, that should be an internal matter between him, and the Cambridge PD…
I stated yesterday, that it looks like Officer Crowley might be directed to take part in some sort of PR course, offered in-house by the Cambridge PD…
I dont think he should be put on unpaid suspension or any of that sort of nonsense… Nor do I think he should necessarily apologize for his actions…
Officer Crowley, AND Professor Gates, would both be wise to just SHUT UP…
No more story… Would I advise Prof. Gates of that?? If I talk to him, YOU BET… But I probably wont have that opportunity this weekend… However, I have been in touch with a friend of mine in the Cambridge area, who knows Prof. Gates, and my friend said he/she would pass on my recommendation….
As far as I am concerned, this was a non-story from the beginning, and should remain that way….
I want cops to burst into, say, “Regular’s” sister’s house and handcuff him for no reason whatsoever.
I wouldn’t cry about it like a little girl like Gates did, what a wuzz.
I would go through the proper channels if it needed to be addressed, not flail my arms and stamp my feet like Gates.
Obama now making an address on an education improvement program.
Has anyone told obama that the campaign is over? He won. He doesn’t have to go on tours anymore.
If his policies are so awesome and so “right” for America, why does he feel the need to have an “Infomercial” for each of them? Is he Billy Mayes (?) reincarnate?
In addition, the Professor has apparently lived at that address for 20 years… He was certainly not an unknown individual in the Cambridge community, as he lived in Harvard Square…
Really, so why did his neighbor report the possible break in?
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 24, 2009 at 12:24 pm | Permalink
“Freeburd1971? asks –
“…why would obama even deign to comment…?”
Uhm…
Some reporter asked him a question during a news conference?
What was he supposed to say?
“Oh yeah?! Well FUC# YOU!!!”
This is such a desperate attempt by CONs to distract from the fifty minutes President Obama spent shooting down all objections to Health Coverage Reform.
Pretty transparent, too.
I gotta say.
You CONs are dirty fighters, but you’re good dirty fighters.
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Chimpman again proves to be the fanatic.
You always know what the libs are trying to do by what they accuse the opposition of doing.
That must be in something Monk read in Hilter’s “Mein Kampf” or Saul Alinski’s “Rules for Radicals”.
I have too, Chas. And it’s interesting. I’d advise more people do to a ride along. It can be an eye opener.
And yes, as far as the president is concerned, it should have been a non-issue. Unfortunately, he inserted himself into the situation, and escalated it. That wasn’t such a good move. In other words, it became a story because Obama made it a story. Probably unintentionally, but done nonetheless.
I suspect he wishes he’d answered “no comment.”
“Unfortunately, he inserted himself into the situation,”
The President answered a question submitted to him during a press conference.
Key Chairman Threatens to Bypass Committee on Health Care Bill
A key House committee chairman on Friday threatened to bypass moderate Democrats who are holding up the health care reform bill and bring the package straight to the floor, in the latest showdown on health care that is dividing Congress and Democratic party ranks.
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You people can’t even get your own people to sign on to this rehydrated warmed over dog turd.
“Really, so why did his neighbor report the possible break in?” [Sol]
Because, SOL, it WASNT a neighbor… just like I said before… It was somebody passing through the neighborhood… Do take time to READ before squealing?? Thank you.
Gates does not know why the officer is there and reacts badly.
The officer does not know that Gates is having a real sh-t day and reacts badly.
But I don’t have any questions for Professor Gates.
I WOULD ask officer Crowley why since he has established that there is no crime in progress and that Professor Gates is who he says he is, why is he remaining on the scene?
Yeah Sol, it was Henry Big Ears and Cavernous Nostrils Waxman (D) Hollyfornia.
I think the BlueDogs need to put up commercials in Waxman’s district how he wants to steamroll his own party members.
Perhaps someone can dig up some dirt on Waxman. It sure won’t be about s3x, I mean – have you seen that deformed freak?
Mass. police unions ask Obama for apology
USA TODAY
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A multiracial group of police officers stood with the white officer who arrested a black Harvard scholar and asked President Obama and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick apologize for comments union leaders called insulting.
Officers say they resent any implication that race played a role in Sgt. James Crowley’s arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home near Harvard University last week.
The point is, if Obama had not made the “stupidity” comment, it would all be over.
He proves his “stupidity” by judging the incident after “HE SAID HE DIDNT HAVE ALL OF THE FACTS”.
The libs are getting drunk on that koolaide.
Professor Gates, Harvard’s leading scholar on African American history, told The Washington Post that he’d like a “one-on-one” with the officer who arrested him at his home in the early afternoon last week, after a neighbor called 911 to report that two black men appeared to be trying to forcibly enter the home.
http://www.acslaw.org/node/13814
What was he supposed to say?
“Oh yeah?! Well FUC# YOU!!!”
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That is what I would have said, just to see the look on the slub’s face.
AP REPORT: Washington D.C. – “Obama calls Al Sharpton and ignorant ni&&er today…”
Chas – “What obama meant was… “
Monkey – “You CONS just jump at every…”
6 months in and the obama apologists are going to die from exhaustion. Do they apologize for Biden as well? Shoot, they better get universal health care to cover their heart conditions. Oh wait, they’ll have to go to counseling first to learn how to die and not be a burden on the system.
Perry raises possibility of states’ rights showdown with White House over healthcare
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1504240.html
<raises possibility and his fist :)
Professor Gates, Harvard’s leading scholar on African American history, told The Washington Post that he’d like a “one-on-one” with the officer who arrested him at his home in the early afternoon last week, after a neighbor called 911 to report that two black men appeared to be trying to forcibly enter the home.
Hmmmm. Some of the liberal posters here would no doubt claim that they were “threatened” were some on the right to make a similar request.
And please, forget the comic relief. That means the fool Ron Paul.
I challenge you to find another politician with the same tenacity for foreign, domestic and fiscal policy that would do better for America. I won’t hold my breath. Hell it is basically a rhetorical question.
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Dam! Gotcha again, LMAO!
Hmmmm. Some of the liberal posters here would no doubt claim that they were “threatened” were some on the right to make a similar request.
I think Sergeant Crowley can take him (Gates.)
:D
BlueJay
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink
Gates does not know why the officer is there and reacts badly.
The officer does not know that Gates is having a real sh-t day and reacts badly.
But I don’t have any questions for Professor Gates.
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Bj, why don’t you read the police report?
Crowley was in uniform and told Gates he was responding to a possible BE and Crowley identified himself. Gates was asked to step outside and the first thing Gates said(yelled) was; “No,I will not”. Gates then started making racist allegations and was uncooperative. The witness who made the call was standing on the sidewalk. Do you really think Crowley would lie on his report with a witness there?
Being uncooperative to a police officer will get your arrested.
Rational people are glad to know that the police respond when a crime to being perpetuated on their property.
OK, I guess I don’t get your joke, XXX. Can you find another politician?
ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink
What was he supposed to say?
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He sould have said…
“Someone gits all up in my face, I’ll puts a cap in they azzzz…..”
“Gates was asked to step outside and the first thing Gates said(yelled) was; “No,I will not”.”
And if the officer arrests him at this point, I have no quarrel with it.
The officer knew who Gates was and that it was his house, THEN he arrested him. Why?
I think they were looking for a neighbor for who they had a warrant. He just came around the side of my house and told my to put my hands behind my back.
Disturbing the peace is a crime generally defined as the unsettling of proper order in a public space through one’s actions. This can include creating loud noise by fighting or challenging to fight, disturbing others by loud and unreasonable noise (including loud music or dog barking), or using offensive words or insults likely to incite violence.
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BlueJay
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
“Gates was asked to step outside and the first thing Gates said(yelled) was; “No,I will not”.”
And if the officer arrests him at this point, I have no quarrel with it.
The officer knew who Gates was and that it was his house, THEN he arrested him. Why?
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Since you like celebrity so much BlueJay, how about going along on the next O.J. Simpson style of case?
Perhaps you can say, “Oh I know you!” (fist bump)
Gates was not charged with disturbing the peace. He was charged with disorderly conduct.
In his own house.
“WOULD ask officer Crowley why since he has established that there is no crime in progress and that Professor Gates is who he says he is, why is he remaining on the scene?”
That is the question of the hour isn’t it? From the available accounts, including the police report, Gates may have been belligerant but he was cooperative (one can be both belligerant and cooperative, you know). Once it was established that Gates was in his own house, it should have been the end of it. Period.
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Phantom
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:37 pm | Permalink
I think they were looking for a neighbor for who they had a warrant. He just came around the side of my house and told my to put my hands behind my back.
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Maybe the cops were waiting on a plaintive wail from a neighborhood Akita.?
If Gates were White the cop would have tased his ass.
The cop was likely OVERLY sensitive because Gates was Black.
The ‘jawless fish’ plays the IMA VICTIM race card.
Waxman looks like he looks like, you wanna make something of that, Pretty-Boy?
Can one get any more shallow than making fun of a respected legislator’s facial features?
BeeJay
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
Gates was not charged with disturbing the peace. He was charged with disorderly conduct.
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He was getting all “uppity” I imagine…
“The ‘jawless fish’ plays the IMA VICTIM race card.”
Regular plays his usual troll baiting card.
Re: Regular
DNFTT
DavidB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink
Waxman looks like he looks like, you wanna make something of that, Pretty-Boy?
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I’ll be he can snort a wooden fence post…whole.
be=bet
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DavidB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink
Waxman looks like he looks like, you wanna make something of that, Pretty-Boy?
Can one get any more shallow than making fun of a respected legislator’s facial features?
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How did Waxman get those gigantic nostrils? Use a post hole digger mining for boogers?
The homeless gather under Waxman’s nostrils on rainy days for shelter.
In an effort to save on cost, the United States Prison System has recruited Waxman to track escaped prisoners instead of using the traditional bloodhound.
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Regular
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
How did Waxman get those gigantic nostrils? Use a post hole digger mining for boogers?
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm | Permalink
The homeless gather under Waxman’s nostrils on rainy days for shelter.
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
In an effort to save on cost, the United States Prison System has recruited Waxman to track escaped prisoners instead of using the traditional bloodhound.
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. . . and the grade school intelligence level of your typical right-wing republican keeps shining through.
“I was shocked to hear the president making this kind of statement,” Cosby said referring to the president’s remarks during last night’s press conference.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/07/23/bill-cosby-shocked-at-obamas-statement-on-harvard-profs-arrest/
We can thank Obama for this controversy.
On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. was placed under arrest after being observed exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniform officer who was present investigating a report of a crime in progress.
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While I was making this statement, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed “why, because I am a black man in America?” I then asked Gates if thee was anyone else in the residence. While yelling, he told me that it was none of my business and accused me of being a racist police officer. … As he did so, I radioed channel 1 that I was off in the residence with someone who appeared to be a resident but very uncooperative.
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…Gates began to yell over my spoken words by accusing me of being a racisr police officer and leveling threats that he wasn’t someone to mess with. …I told Gates that I was leaving his residence and that if he had any other questions regarding the matter, I would speak with him outside of the residence.
As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk, Gates continued to yell at me, accusing me of racial bias and continued to tell me that I had not heard the last of him. Due to the tumultuous manner Gates had exhibited in his residence as well as his continued tumultuous behavior outside the residence, in view of the public, I warned Gates that he was becoming disorderly. Gates ignored my warning and continued to yell, which drew the attention of both the police officers and citizens, who appeared surprised and alarmed by Gate’s outburst. For a second time I warned Gates to calm down while I withdrew my department issued handcuffs from their carrying case. Gates again ignored my warning and continued to yell at me.
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Looks pretty textbook cut and dry to me. Don’t know how you people can defend this.
JMWalker is your typical humorless, cranky, and angry LIB.
Be happy JMW, your boy won.
Go on, turn that frown upside down!
Come on Walker, just check out the size of those blowholes!
http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/11473/FS_PR_090617waxman300.jpg
Hey folks, those typos are alllll mine.
http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/11473/FS_PR_090617waxman300
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Looks like he tried suicide and failed, twice!
There is some murmuring that President Obama has offered to host Professor Gates and officer Crowley at the White House. That’s a good idea.
“As I descended the stairs to the sidewalk,”
He should have kept going. He has no further reason to be there.
SolDevVB
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. was placed under arrest after being observed exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniform officer who was present investigating a report of a crime in progress.
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Interesting that a staunch CON would consider a man’s OWN FRONT PORCH a public place… When is “Private Property”, a public place???
When is “Private Property”, a public place???
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When it affects the public.
Say Chas, let me repeat this very slowly for you.
When a Police Officer is on scene doing an investigation, they are in charge – regardless whether it’s private or public property.
Gates was warned several times to chill out, Gates didn’t, he was cuffed and arrested.
When is “Private Property”, a public place???
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When it affects the public.”
Was there time for the neighbors to lodge a complaint?
When a Police Officer is on scene doing an investigation”
What was the officer continuing to investigate?
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
JMWalker is your typical humorless, cranky, and angry LIB.
Be happy JMW, your boy won.
Go on, turn that frown upside down!
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Outstanding, anti . . . you found me out. Now for that serious side of you: Still looking for that ‘real’ birth certificate proving Obama was born in Kenya? Hahahahahahahahaha . . . .
chass,
You think your front yard is private property? Can you be viewed by the public while in your front yard? Try dropping a duece on your front lawn at noon this Sunday. See how “private” your front yard is.
Regular
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
Come on Walker, just check out the size of those blowholes!
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http://uglyrepublicans.com/
Well bless his little pointed head but he did give a half hearted apology after putting both feet in his mouth. Will the man never learn. Leader of the free world and he can’t speak without a teleprompter without getting himself in trouble.
Hasn’t been a good week for Obama. Poll numbers down under 50%. Unemployment up. The economy still in the tank. No vote on the universal health care plan and now he had to throw Skip Gates under the bus.
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BlueJay
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:13 pm | Permalink
When a Police Officer is on scene doing an investigation”
What was the officer continuing to investigate?
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Irrelevant – being called to a scene puts the officer in charge.
If you don’t believe, go up to a police officer in your own yard and start yelling at him repeatedly.
No one can defend Gate’s conduct, it was uncalled for.
Waxman and Pelosi are trying to shove a vote on health care before the break.
Oh, please do it!
Please make them vote now!
(Excellent…heh heh.)
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
When is “Private Property”, a public place???
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When it affects the public.
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Weren’t you complaining about a public employee being on your neighbor’s private property just awhile back?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/24/democratic-leaders-consider-bypassing-house-committee-advance-health/
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JMWalker
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:15 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
Come on Walker, just check out the size of those blowholes!
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http://uglyrepublicans.com/
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Waxman doesn’t need photoshopping, he’s just that ugly.
“exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior”
Hmmmm by the time of this loud and tumultuous behavior, Officer Crowley already KNEW there was “no crime in progress”
I guess I would direct your own question back at ya, Sol….
I dont know how you people can defend the further actions of the officer… Actually, he should have just kept walking down those steps, and kept on going… I mean, since he KNEW no crime was in progress, and all that…
Is YELLING at somebody who wont get off your property when told to do so a crime???
Is that the way life is in CON LAND??
Oh yea, Sol… The 911 Caller was no stranger to Gates… even in your account… That was something I saw on TV News… Instead, it turns out that she could well have been a neighbor… but not just ANY neighbor**… In fact, a COLLEAGUE with Prof. Gates at Harvard… And it wasnt the middle of the night… It was in broad daylight… And since she WORKED with the good professor, she KNEW who he was… Possibly even knew he had been out of country on a trip…
The credibility of this thing just keeps getting shakier and shakier… I think it might be best to just DROP the whole thing…
** — Sol, google LUCIA WHALEN… you will see what comes up… so you can stop calling me a liar, which would then be a lie… :-)
“If you don’t believe, go up to a police officer in your own yard and start yelling at him repeatedly.”
Been there, done that. Didn’t get arrested.
The officer was attempting to leave the scene. Gates followed the officer and continued to cause a disturbance.
Are you people really this ignorant or are you stuck on full apologize mode because of Obama?
Weren’t you complaining about a public employee being on your neighbor’s private property just awhile back?
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I was.
They were not cops investigating a CRIME.
By Jonathan Saltzman, Globe Staff
The lawyer for the police union that represents Cambridge Sergeant James M. Crowley today predicted that President Obama will regret that he accused department officers of “acting stupidly” when they handcuffed Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. even after he showed proof that he lived in his house.
“He conceded that he didn’t have all the facts, and indeed he didn’t,” Alan J. McDonald, the lawyer for the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association, said of the president. “I suspect that when the full picture comes out, he will regret the remarks he made.” – Boston Globe
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Obama says regrets remark in racially charged case
Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:55pm EDT
(Reuters) – President Barack Obama said on Friday he should have chosen his words more carefully when he said police “acted stupidly” in arresting a prominent black Harvard scholar, touching off a debate over race.
Obama made his comments after talking on the telephone to Sgt. James Crowley, the Cambridge, Massachusetts, police officer who made the arrest, and discussing inviting Crowley and Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates to the White House for a beer.
“Because this has been ratcheting up and I obviously helped to contribute ratcheting it up, I wanted to make clear in my choice of words I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Sgt. Crowley specifically,” Obama said. “And I could have calibrated those words differently.”
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Crowley called that one right.
Sol, the O’BAMATRONS will defend whatever he says and does, regardless how irresponsible it was.
Still looking for that ‘real’ birth certificate proving Obama was born in Kenya?
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I never started looking, JMW.
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalin
I was.
They were not cops investigating a CRIME.
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It was Phred Phelps and his clan enjoying a bbq at anti’s house.
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Regular
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:20 pm | Permalink
Sol, the O’BAMATRONS will defend whatever he says and does, regardless how irresponsible it was.
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. . . and the right wing wackos will condemn him, regardless of how responsible he is.
Oh, Reg??? When the officer was headed down those steps, What was the officer continuing to investigate?
Hmmmmm???? The Officer KNEW at that point, that there was NO CRIME SCENE to investigate… Seems to me his job was done… And since the RIGHTFUL RESIDENT told him, no doubt, to get out — The Officer continued the incident, by returning to Prof. Gates, and proceeding to cuff him, and arrest him…
Now, tell me, WHO provoked this thing??
Gates, or Crowley??
JMWalker needs his diaper changed, he’s getting cranky.
JMWalker
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Permalink
It was Phred Phelps and his clan enjoying a bbq at anti’s house.
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. . . and the grade school intelligence level of your typical left-wing democrats keeps shining through
ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink
I was.
They were not cops investigating a CRIME.
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Well, what was he investigating? You mentioned improvements that you’re neighbor had made to his property which led me to think that the snoop was some sort of compliance officer. (building code or tax appraiser).
It’s entirely possible that I drew an inaccurate inference.
I LIKE police officers… I have served as a Police Chaplain three different times… I also do NOT like poor police/public relations, nor do I like officers with a chip on their shoulder, just waiting for somebody like Gates to knock it off…
I agree that Gates SHOULD have reacted in a different manner… But, I cant for the life of me see WHY he should have been arrested just for being a jerk… ON HIS OWN PREMISES….
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Chas
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
Oh, Reg??? When the officer was headed down those steps, What was the officer continuing to investigate?
Hmmmmm???? The Officer KNEW at that point, that there was NO CRIME SCENE to investigate… Seems to me his job was done… And since the RIGHTFUL RESIDENT told him, no doubt, to get out — The Officer continued the incident, by returning to Prof. Gates, and proceeding to cuff him, and arrest him…
Now, tell me, WHO provoked this thing??
Gates, or Crowley??
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Again D.A., your point is irrelevant.
When a Police Officer is on the scene, they are in charge.
Provoking the officer by making verbal and abusive assaults WILL get you cuffed and arrested.
It’s the law – check it out – learn.
Actually Chas this house was public property owned by the University and not by Gates. The front door and lock were damaged and Gates would not show ID. Proper police procedure was followed.
No private property issue here.
“Gates followed the officer and continued to cause a disturbance.” [Sol}
Yea, he did… out on his front porch…
Hmmmm by the time of this loud and tumultuous behavior, Officer Crowley already KNEW there was “no crime in progress”
Lie number one. Gates was loud and obnoxious at his first encounter with the officer, before any credentials were exchanged. Can you read chass?
dont know how you people can defend the further actions of the officer…
Dumbass remark #1. The officer was leaving chass. Gates followed him out. Can’t you read?
Actually, he should have just kept walking down those steps, and kept on going… I mean, since he KNEW no crime was in progress, and all that…
Dumbass remark #2. He continued to cause a disturbance. He was warned twice. Then he got cuffed. Can’t you read?
Is YELLING at somebody who wont get off your property when told to do so a crime???
Lie number two and dumbass remark #3. Gates wasn’t telling the officer to get off his property, he was calling him a racist, in front of a gathering crowd.
Oh yea, Sol… The 911 Caller was no stranger to Gates… even in your account… That was something I saw on TV News… Instead, it turns out that she could well have been a neighbor… but not just ANY neighbor**… In fact, a COLLEAGUE with Prof. Gates at Harvard… And it wasnt the middle of the night… It was in broad daylight… And since she WORKED with the good professor, she KNEW who he was… Possibly even knew he had been out of country on a trip…
Dumbass remrak #… oh hell I lost count. Then I am expecting charges to be filed. Making a false call to 911 is a serious offense.
The credibility of this thing just keeps getting shakier and shakier… I think it might be best to just DROP the whole thing…
The one smart thing you’ve had to say on this. Too bad your boy obama didn’t do that.
NASA has scraped previously used models for studying hurricanes and tornadoes for a scaled down version of these weather patterns. The study seams to relate data that is more accurate in determining the wind patterns as well as possible damage from these occurrences.
NASA scientists have placed sensitive devises near the nostrils of Waxman to study the ‘carburetor’ effect from his breathing. “The swirling winds changing speeds are much easier to measure at this scale”, said Klaus Von Bleef. Von Bleef stated that Waxman’s cooperation was a great gift to the safety of the world’s population.
Yea, he did… out on his front porch…
Which continued to cause a disturbance in front of a gathering crowd. Gates was then warned twice to calm down.
DAAAAAAMN you’re DUMB chase. You should stick to just ONE bowl of tard flakes in the morning.
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Chas
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:24 pm | Permalink
Oh, Reg??? When the officer was headed down those steps, What was the officer continuing to investigate?
Hmmmmm???? The Officer KNEW at that point, that there was NO CRIME SCENE to investigate… Seems to me his job was done… And since the RIGHTFUL RESIDENT told him, no doubt, to get out — The Officer continued the incident, by returning to Prof. Gates, and proceeding to cuff him, and arrest him…
Now, tell me, WHO provoked this thing??
Gates, or Crowley??
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When Gate followed Crowley yelling all the way, Crowing was then doing his job enforcing the law against disorderly conduct.
Gates was the one provoking this thing.
If Gates had let the officer leave quietly, there would have been no arrest.
The front porch was owned by Harvard. He refused to show ID and could have been a cat burgular for all the officer knew. Also the neighbor had said two men were breaking into the house. Not knowing if they were still in the house it was prudent for the officer to get him out of the house and potential danger.
Chas no matter how you spin this Gates was a jerk and got what he deserved.
okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
Actually Chas this house was public property owned by the University and not by Gates. The front door and lock were damaged and Gates would not show ID. Proper police procedure was followed.
No private property issue here.
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Okie, I dont care WHO owned the property… It was being LEASED by Prof. Gates… That by law makes it private property… Harvard is ALSO NOT a public University… It’s private….
Wanna try again???
IF YOU rent a house, And you are the legal resident of that house, that house is your private property….
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
NASA has scraped previously used models for studying hurricanes and tornadoes for a scaled down version of these weather patterns. The study seams to relate data that is more accurate in determining the wind patterns as well as possible damage from these occurrences.
NASA scientists have placed sensitive devises near the nostrils of Waxman to study the ‘carburetor’ effect from his breathing. “The swirling winds changing speeds are much easier to measure at this scale”, said Klaus Von Bleef. Von Bleef stated that Waxman’s cooperation was a great gift to the safety of the world’s population.
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LMAO!
Those nostrils of Waxman put Holly 4 barrel to shame.
Now, tell me, WHO provoked this thing??
Gates, or Crowley??
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After reading the reports of the incident from both sides: IMO, Gates did. Crowley’s arrest appears to be justified on the facts.
However, I’m sure at this point Crowley’s wishing he’d just walked away. Because one CAN make an arrest does not mean one must, or even that one should. Sometimes it’s just best to let it go.
OKIE — Gates showed both his Harvard ID, AND his DL ID…. Check it out…. The officer had NO reason, at the time Gates is cuffed, to believe he was investigating a crime scene… Talk about dumb…
The latitude that some would afford law enforcement officers is disquieting.
Fortunately, it is not universally shared.
OK GMC… At the point Crowley puts the cuffs on Gates, he knows, or SHOULD know that there is no crime scene, since he has by that time seen two forms of ID from Gates…
SO, as he is leaving the premises, and Gates hollers at him… What justification does he have to turn around, go back, and arrest Gates for being a jerk???
AP-WASHINGTON D.C – Congress, in an effort to support Waxman’s cap and tax policies, will power the congressional facilities with wind powered renewable energy. Two state of the art wind turbines will be affixed to Waxman’s mustache. “We tried to get the 1,000 kilowatt turbines, but the, uhm, residue in Waxman’s mustache prevented anything over 200 kilowatts.” An inside source has told the AP.
“okobserver” comes up with –
“…this house was public property owned by the University….”
When did Harvard become “public?”
SO, as he is leaving the premises, and Gates hollers at him… What justification does he have to turn around, go back, and arrest Gates for being a jerk???
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Disturbing the Peace.
We’ve been over this, Chas.
chass,
Good LORD!!! Gates was arrested for causing a disturbance in front of a gathering crowd. What do you not understand about that?
And, liar, please provide proof that Gates leased the residence. You’ll lie when the truth would do you better.
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okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
Actually Chas this house was public property owned by the University and not by Gates. The front door and lock were damaged and Gates would not show ID. Proper police procedure was followed.
No private property issue here.
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Read the police report.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates2.html
Mr. Gates did provide identification.
On the private/public property issue, I suggest that you mosey on out to 17th and Hillside and invite yourself into Dr. Beggs’ house. When he asks you to leave, tell him that you are on public property and refuse to leave.
Report back and let us know how that goes for you.
Regular
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Permalink
Again D.A., your point is irrelevant.
When a Police Officer is on the scene, they are in charge.
Provoking the officer by making verbal and abusive assaults WILL get you cuffed and arrested.
It’s the law – check it out – learn.
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assault
A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault. Compare battery.
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Come on, how do any of Gates’ actions rise to the legal definition of assault? Why wasn’t Gate’s charged with assault?
Again, it’s not illegal to be an bu++hole or accuse another of being a racist whether the accusation lacks merit or not.
Well Chas I wasnt there but his fellow officers said he was justified in what he did. As GMC said maybe he wishes he had walked away but he didn’t. Even the prez realized he should have stayed out of it. Everything isn’t about race.
You just ignored what I said. The door had been broken in. Two men had been seen breaking in. Only one man was present. Not knowing where the other man was the officer wanted to get out of the house and asked Gates to accompany him so he could ck ID. Read the reports before you post. It makes you look uninformed at best.
The officer has a family at home and he was at risk if another person was there with a gun. Officers are in danger daily and they act in a manner that will protect themselves as much as possible. Prefectly acceptable to ask Gates to step out with him.
Gates overreacted and so are you.
The neighbor, LUCIA WHALEN knew better… Good grief, Okie, she WORKED with the man at Harvard University… You keep on with this property thing, and I’m sorry… You’re just WRONG on the property issue… As long as Gates is the lawful tenant of that house, that house is HIS private property… IF Harvard University owns it, thats nice… But, they have the property LEASED to Prof. Gates… and he has lived there for YEARS…
Remember, it is also broad daylight!!
IF this LUCIA WHALEN is a neighbor, she knew who Gates was… So, I keep asking myself what HER problem is in this situation…
I cant figure out WHY you want this Professor… this prestigious professor… to be in the WRONG… for what in HIS mind, is obviously DEFENDING his rights as a legal resident of his own home…
As for ID, Okie, I think you better read the situation again…. By the time this officer puts the cuffs on Gates(arrrests him), the officer KNOWS who the man is, and he KNOWS he is the rightful occupant…
In my book, as soon as Crowley SEES the valid ID from Gates, that “emergency call” is OVER… The officer’s job is DONE…
He should have just said, “Sorry about the mix up.” and left…
As I have already said before… Gates did act like a jerk…. But, I have never seen a statute that says a person can be arrested for being a jerk, unless that person threatens another person, or another person’s property….
Just for grins, once the officer knows what the situation is, Does he have a right to enter the residence without either an invitation, OR a warrant?? (Just asking)
The door wasn’t broken in.
Chas,
I am impressed daily, that your wife has yet to bury you under the porch.
Daniel
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Come on, how do any of Gates’ actions rise to the legal definition of assault? Why wasn’t Gate’s charged with assault?
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According to the Mass. Statutes, Disorderly conduct is described as (short version):
Behavior that might cause a riot. Massachusetts courts have limited the definition of disorderly conduct to: fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or creating a hazardous or physically offensive condition for no legitimate purpose other than to cause public annoyance or alarm.
I think I remember reading tumultuous in Crowley’s report.
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??/tu?m?lt?u?s, tyu-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [too-muhl-choo-uhs, tyoo-] Show IPA
Use tumultuous in a Sentence
–adjective
1. full of tumult or riotousness; marked by disturbance and uproar: a tumultuous celebration.
2. raising a great clatter and commotion; disorderly or noisy: a tumultuous crowd of students.
3. highly agitated, as the mind or emotions; distraught; turbulent.
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
Chas,
I am impressed daily, that your wife has yet to bury you under the porch.
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LMAO!
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Chas
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Permalink
OKIE — Gates showed both his Harvard ID, AND his DL ID…. Check it out…. The officer had NO reason, at the time Gates is cuffed, to believe he was investigating a crime scene… Talk about dumb…
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When are you going to realize Chas that Gates was arrest for disorderly conduct when the officer was leaving the house in view of the neighbors and onlookers. “Talk about DuuuuuumB……”
“The door had been broken in. Two men had been seen breaking in.” [Okie]
NO… the door was not broken in… When Gates and his DRIVER tried to get in the front door, the door was JAMMED…
He went around to the back door, and got inside with his KEY… Once inside, Gates and the Driver were able to open the front door from INSIDE… When the officer appeared at the front door, Gates answered the door… His Driver was bringing in the bags from the back door…
Now, WHY would Prof. Gates invite the officer inside, when Gates knew perfectly well there was no REASON for the officer to BE in his house…???
Gates, after first protesting, then got BOTH of his ID’s… When he went to get his ID’s, Crowley entered the house, uninvited… and without warrant…
Gates showed him his ID’s….
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF THE ENTIRE MATTER…. BUT, APPARENTLY THE OFFICER WANTED SOMETHING MORE…
GATES LOST IT… HELL, I MIGHT HAVE LOST IT TOO, UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES… GATES MIGHT HAVE SEEN IT AS A RACE ISSUE… I DONT… I SEE IT AS JUST PLAIN SHODDY POLICE WORK… THE OFFICER SHOULD HAVE JUST TURNED AROUND, AND LEFT, AS SOON AS HE SAW THE VALID ID’S…
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DorisKing
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
The door wasn’t broken in.
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How do you know there wasn’t a previous attempt to break in making it jam.
The same day this happened, but before any news arose from the incident, I posted my thoughts about cops using steroids or other PEDs.
I care about that a whole lot more than some multi-millionaire ballplayer swinging a bat.
Take a look at the cops you come across these days.
Barrel-chested, large heads, arms the size of Laura Bush’s thighs….
Sure, I’m certain they “work out.”
But there’s a story to be investigated about how Roid Rage might be effecting cop behavior in situations like this; in the anal rape with a broomstick by the NYPD; in the countless repeating of the Rodney King incident by all sorts of cops all over the country.
And, hell. No way I’d want their job.
We expect cops to be better than us. We give ‘em a gun and the color of law. They, in turn, hear an explosion and while the rest of us run away we expect cops to run toward the explosion.
We ask a lot from cops, but in turn we expect them to live up to the responsibility we’ve given them.
“Fred, if you’re afraid you’ll have to overlook it.
Besides, you knew the job was dang’rous when you took it.”
– Theme from “SuperChicken”
No CON has deigned to address my contention this was, pure and simple, bad cop work. Not that he’s a bad cop, but he had a bad day.
And no CON has responded to the reality this particular issue has been a successful ploy by CONs to neutralize President Obama’s strong case for Health Coverage reform.
Damn, you guys are good at deflecting issues away from substance!
I really admire your efforts.
Except, of course, it’s the work of Satan.
Daniel you as has Chas chosen to ignore the obvious. The house was owned by Harvard. This man refused to show ID at first. He was listed as owner of the house and officer was trying to ascertain all of the facts.
Before posting you really should look at the entire picture and not just the part you want to justify.
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF THE ENTIRE MATTER…. BUT, APPARENTLY THE OFFICER WANTED SOMETHING MORE… ”
Wrong chas, Gates wanted something more and followed the officer out the door yelling in front of witnesses calling the officer names.
“It looked like someone’s footprint was there. So it’s possible that the door had been jimmied, that someone had tried to get in while I was in China. But for whatever reason, the lock was damaged. My driver hit the door with his shoulder and the door popped open. But the lock was permanently disfigured. My home is owned by Harvard University, and so any kind of repair work that’s needed,”
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The professors own words. The lock was broken and disfigured.
Chas do you ever look before leaping?
“Damn, you guys are good at deflecting issues away from substance! ”
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Like I said before you know what the libs are doing by what they accuse the “Cons” of doing.
Perfect example
“When are you going to realize Chas that Gates was arrest for disorderly conduct when the officer was leaving the house in view of the neighbors and onlookers. “Talk about DuuuuuumB……”” [DONN]
Is there a law that says a person cant be disorderly, in broad daylight, on his/her own front porch???
Hey, neighbors always gather when they see cop cars with lights on…. Gates wasnt physically threatening anybody… good grief, he walks with a cane!!
Want to try again??? Donn, what I said, was the cop had to turn around, and go BACK up the steps, where he then arrests and cuffs Gates, on his own front porch…
THAT’S the point where the Officer SHOULD have kept on walking…. What I’m saying is that if such a thing would have happened to me, I would have been filing a law suit, for violating my civil rights on my own property**…. I doubt Gates will do that…
** I probably wouldnt either, once I had a beer, and settled down… LOL
I can see we are dealing with duh Libs from the Jurassic Park era of the 1960s and cops are Pigs mentality.
Say Chas did you ever work at Wesley Medical Center, I think I may have met you?
It looks like the PD might sue Gates for defamation.
We might learn much more. If so we’ll see who’s messing with who.
WPE- “Ithink I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge police department and Sgt. Crowley specifically.”
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WPE- Cambridge, Mass., police had “acted stupidly” by arresting Gates, a Harvard scholar and friend of the president’s, for disorderly conduct.
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uhhh…. errr…. I want my teleprompter back….
DorisKing
Posted July 24, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
The door wasn’t broken in.
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Doris, that’s what I’ve been trying to tell Okobserver…. Not just that, but the two men had to open that door from the INside… not from the porch side… They tried from the porch, but Gates went to the back door, and got in that way…
Munkeyspunk- makes an observation: Barrel-chested, large heads, arms the size of Laura Bush’s thighs….
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When their arms get the size of a Clinton cankle….
I”ll start to worry…
Chas writes a blatant lie proven by the professors own words.
“NO… the door was not broken in… When Gates and his DRIVER tried to get in the front door, the door was JAMMED…
He went around to the back door, and got inside with his KEY… Once inside, Gates and the Driver were able to open the front door from INSIDE… When the officer appeared at the front door, Gates answered the door… His Driver was bringing in the bags from the back door… “
Regular
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:13 pm | Permalink
Say Chas did you ever work at Wesley Medical Center, I think I may have met you?
NO
http://www.theroot.com/views/skip-gates-speaks
The source for my posts.
Chas, The officer does have the right to arrest someone when he feels his is being threatened.
Gates should have stayed in his house and STFU.
If he needed his cane, why did he leave it inside?
According the the police report, Gates was warned about being diorderly, and he continued yelling making threats that he hadn’t heard the end of it.
Gate should have shut up and went back in and let the officer leave. So, Gates was arrested.
READ the report.
Chas I know reading is hard for someone with your condition so I will post the professors OWN words about the condition of the front door for you Doris and Daniel.
okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
“It looked like someone’s footprint was there. So it’s possible that the door had been jimmied, that someone had tried to get in while I was in China. But for whatever reason, the lock was damaged. My driver hit the door with his shoulder and the door popped open. But the lock was permanently disfigured. My home is owned by Harvard University, and so any kind of repair work that’s needed,”
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The professors own words. The lock was broken and disfigured.
Chas do you ever look before leaping?
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Put down the shovel, take a deep breath and exhale slowly. Now get your little finger off the shift key and calm down.
Chas where in his own words did he say he went to the back door and used a key to enter? What fairy tale did you get that one from?
Facts are a beautiful thing.
House healthcare talks break down in anger
“I’ve been lied to,” Blue Dog Coalition Co-Chairman Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said on Friday. “We have not had legitimate negotiations.
“Mr. Waxman has decided to sever discussions with the Blue Dogs who are trying to make this bill work for America,” Melancon said.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-healthcare-talks-break-down-in-anger-2009-07-24.html
Donn I fear Chas has gone off the deep end and is taking Doris and Don with him. Then there is monkey with the cop bashing post talking about cops being on roids.
I’m thinking they live in bizzaro world.
** I probably wouldnt either, once I had a beer, and settled down… LOL”
Gates may have had a few to many on the plane.
okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
Chas I know reading is hard for someone with your condition so I will post the professors OWN words about the condition of the front door for you Doris and Daniel.
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I never said anything about the condition of the front door.
Back from your visit to Dr. Beggs’ house so soon… how did it go?
“Donn I fear Chas has gone off the deep end and is taking Doris and Don with him.”-okb
You mean Doris and Monk. Right?
“okobserver” plays –
“…his fellow officers said he was justified.”
C’mon, “okobserver.”
You’re really grasping at straws here.
You know it.
Everyone knows it.
If cops came into your home, demanded you prove you liver there, and you present proof you live there, and they lock you up in handcuffs and cart you off to jail, I suspect you might be a tad perturbed.
As “Regular” has alluded to, the guy with a gun and a badge and handcuffs almost always wins in such situations. Even when the Law he’s supposedly enforcing rejects the charges out of hand.
It’s the safest bet on the planet “…his fellow officers…” will deem him “justified.”
(And what’s with this “officers” thing? All the reports I’ve read indicate he was there alone until a second cop showed up at the end. Do you just make up stuff, “okobserver,” when it suits you? Well, yeah. I guess you do.)
But here I am, flopping around in the CONs’ fishing boat, a victim of one of your great trolls.
No one is talking about the 50 minutes President Obama addressed Health Coverage reform in depth, with facts and insight and wisdom. No, we’re talking about this piddly-ass cop losing his s#it over a guy yelling at him for accosting him for being in his own house.
“…his fellow officers said he was justified…”
“We were just following orders.”
“Mein Führer, I can walk!”
(With apologies to Godwin.)
or would that be Dan?
Donn that would be Daniel. Chas is crazy making me. Thanks goodness he has finally gone off to research to find how he is right here.
Daniel Dr Beggs didn’t invite me out to his house tonight. Are you going? How did you get an invite? Must have friends in high places. Enjoy yourself and while you are there ask him if he came home to find a busted lock and a footprint on his front door if he would mind a policeman coming in to check the house out. Ask him if he would mind waiting outside for his own safety while this went on.
Let me know what you find out?
No one is talking about the 50 minutes President Obama addressed Health Coverage reform….
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What’s to talk about.
He sounded like whiner.
okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
Chas where in his own words did he say he went to the back door and used a key to enter? What fairy tale did you get that one from?
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‘When the front door would not open, even with the driver’s help, Ogletree said Gates walked around to the back door, unlocked it, shut off the alarm system, and tried to open the door from the inside. It still did not work, so he went back outside and, with the driver, pushed it in.’
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2009/07/21/racial_talk_swirls_with_gates_arrest/
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Now, I realize the quote doesn’t specifically state that he used a key to unlock the back door, but it seems like a reasonable inference to draw.
BTW Daniel I find a real similarity with you and Tracy who used to post here. Not that you will ever admit to your old nic. Libs have a real problem with honesty about these things.
“If cops came into your home, demanded you prove you liver there, and you present proof you live there, and they lock you up in handcuffs and cart you off to jail, I suspect you might be a tad perturbed.” monk
The great writer make a typo.
Gates was “perturbed” long before he was arrested and it contributed to the arrest. Too bad you can read as well as you write.
Are all conseratives as willfully ignorant as the ones that are posting today?
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ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
No one is talking about the 50 minutes President Obama addressed Health Coverage reform….
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What’s to talk about.
He sounded like whiner.
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Yeah, The pres is trying to divert attention from his flawed proposal. Probably planned it, but it may have backfired.
“We flew back on a direct flight from Beijing to Newark. We arrived on Wednesday, and on Thursday I flew back to Cambridge. I was using my regular driver and my regular car service. And went to my home arriving at about 12:30 in the afternoon. My driver and I carried several bags up to the porch, and we fiddled with the door and it was jammed. I thought, well, maybe the door’s latched. So I walked back to the kitchen porch, unlocked the door and came into the house. And I unlatched the door, but it was still jammed.”
“It looked like someone’s footprint was there. So it’s possible that the door had been jimmied, that someone had tried to get in while I was in China. But for whatever reason, the lock was damaged. My driver hit the door with his shoulder and the door popped open.(Notice he doesnt say the door is popped open from the outside — my italics But the lock was permanently disfigured. My home is owned by Harvard University, and so any kind of repair work that’s needed, Harvard will come and do it. I called this person, and she was, in fact, on the line while all of this was going on.”
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Well, OKIE, you wanted GATES’ own words… And sure enough there they are… And from THIS link >>>
http://www.theroot.com/views/skip-gates-speaks
ANTI
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
Chas,
I am impressed daily, that your wife has yet to bury you under the porch.
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LMAO!!!!!!
We have today’s winner! And I second the sentiment.
“donndublin” posts –
“The great writer make a typo.”
Me Tarzan.
You Jane.
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okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink
Daniel Dr Beggs didn’t invite me out to his house tonight. Are you going? How did you get an invite? Must have friends in high places. Enjoy yourself and while you are there ask him if he came home to find a busted lock and a footprint on his front door if he would mind a policeman coming in to check the house out. Ask him if he would mind waiting outside for his own safety while this went on.
Let me know what you find out?
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I’ve met Dr. Beggs, but that’s hardly anything to brag about.
I’m in the same boat as you in that I’ve never been invited to his home. But, since it’s owned by WSU and therefore ‘public property,’ I’m sure he wouldn’t mind you dropping by for a visit unannounced.
Rough day at work, eh, “GMC70?”
The party of no has nothing, that is why they are making such a big deal of this. Anything to distract from the fact that they are out of ideas, just say no.
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okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Permalink
BTW Daniel I find a real similarity with you and Tracy who used to post here. Not that you will ever admit to your old nic. Libs have a real problem with honesty about these things.
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Here we go again.
Back up your accusation if it’s true. On what basis do you accuse me of being dishonest?
Daniel once again I will state what the policeman said he saw when he arrived at the house.
He saw a door with a footprint on it that had been forced open and a damaged lock. His first take was that the house had been broken into. He then following established procedure proceeded on the assumption that the perpetrators might still be in the house. When the learned prof was asked to come out on the front porch it was as much for the safety of the prof as for the protection of the police officer who needed to secure the property. This was made necessary because the prof at first refused to show ID.
I have explained this so many times I am not going to talk about it anymore. Even Obama gets it now.
Some of the libs here today are even more dense than usual.
Well Daniel when asked about changing my nic I admitted that I did for reasons of my own. You have yet to admit your previous nic even though it is obvious that you have posted here previously. As for the similarity to Tracy – he always tried to sound so neutral while being so far to the left he was hanging on by his fingernails.
No accusations just an observation.
BTW what do you plan to wear to Dr Beggs house tonight? It is casual or formal. Don’t forget my question.
Is there a law that says a person cant be disorderly, in broad daylight, on his/her own front porch???
Actually, Chas, yes there is. KSA 21-4101. It’s called disorderly conduct. Sit on your porch and yell racial epithets and accusations at passersby and see what happens.
It can even occur on private property.
The story from the police report is getting stranger and stranger. One con says the officer said he was done, if the Prof. wanted to pursue the matter to step outside, now okie says the officer wanted him outside for his own safety, which story are you going with next?
Our posts crossed in the mail. Sorry you won’t be going to the Beggs tonight. I probably won’t be dropping by either so I won’t be able to ask him about finding a footprint on his front door. Darn!
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okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
Daniel once again I will state what the policeman said he saw when he arrived at the house.
He saw a door with a footprint on it that had been forced open and a damaged lock. His first take was that the house had been broken into. He then following established procedure proceeded on the assumption that the perpetrators might still be in the house. When the learned prof was asked to come out on the front porch it was as much for the safety of the prof as for the protection of the police officer who needed to secure the property. This was made necessary because the prof at first refused to show ID.
I have explained this so many times I am not going to talk about it anymore. Even Obama gets it now.
Some of the libs here today are even more dense than usual.
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Who are you arguing with? I’ve never said that Officer Crowley had no reason to be there, only that once Dr. Gates showed him his ID and demonstrated that he had every right to be in the residence that should have been the end of the story.
Libdave and Daniel I think the police report will answer all of these questions because it sounds as if this case might end up in a lawsuit brought by the officer.
Dang, you are dumb.
What do you expect from Obama after listening to Jeremiah Wright for 20 years.
Once again, Rush Limbaugh synthesizes the whole issue –
“Let’s face it, President Obama’s black, and I think he’s got a chip on his shoulder.”
Defend that, CONs.
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okobserver
Posted July 24, 2009 at 3:55 pm | Permalink
Well Daniel when asked about changing my nic I admitted that I did for reasons of my own. You have yet to admit your previous nic even though it is obvious that you have posted here previously. As for the similarity to Tracy – he always tried to sound so neutral while being so far to the left he was hanging on by his fingernails.
No accusations just an observation.
BTW what do you plan to wear to Dr Beggs house tonight? It is casual or formal. Don’t forget my question.
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1. I’ve never asked you about your previous nics.
2. I don’t have any previous nics to admit to…sorry.
3. I’m starting to think that you are trolling me with these repeated, unfounded
accusationsobservations about my supposed dishonesty.The facts of the case, as revealed by the police report as well as the sources reporting, are these.
When Gates was arrested, he was arrested for disorderly conduct after it had been established that he was in his own home.
Cowley had come to the residence after a neighbor called in about two men breaking into the home. This neighbor was able to describe the men to the extent that Cowley knew that Gates resembled the description.
Gates did comply with Cowley’s request. He doubtlessly did not do so quietly or politely. Like I said, it is possible to be both belligerant and uncooperative.
One does not have to “defend” Gates’ behavior to question Cowley’s judgement. There was no crime, the presence of Cowley in the home was a mistake, but one that he was obligated to make because of his job. I have seen speculation that more than one social class construct was in action here. Harvard professors expect to be deferred to. So do police officers. Yelling at a police officer is not respectful, but point of reality here, “two black men breaking into a house”, and the black man being questioned, does bring up stereotypes. Maybe if Cowley had been apologetic once he found out that Gates was in his legal residence, Gates would have calmed down. Maybe not. And if Cowley did not give Gates his badge number, why not? What would it have hurt? Cowley professionally had every right to be there until he had established that Gates was the legal resident.
Like I have said before, it is not difficult to argue that both parties overreacted. Just because Gates is making a spectacle of himself is not sufficient reason to arrest him, given the circumstances. Clearly, both the Cambridge Police Department and the DA are in agreement with this.
Now it comes down to two men, egged on by their peers, feeling obligated to defend themselves. And of course there are the usual dipsh*ts trying to make political hay out of it. Was Obama’s choice of words unfortunate? Probably (although I think the word “stupidly”, in the context of making a bad situation worse, is appropriate here). He has apologized for it, and what else he said was also important. He said (I am paraphrasing here from the comments I heard on the radio) that both parties are good men, and that this is also a learning opportunity. Of course, there are those who want to use this to put more heat on the situation. I think that the union is continuing to overreact (as unions often do to defend one of their own).
I see no evidence whatsoever based on the available information that Cowley is a racist. But, he should have let it go even if Gates continued to yell at him once it was determined that Gates belonged there. Instead, Gates was put in handcuffs and led away. I am sure he was humiliated, and in this situation, Cowley is the professional. He blew it.
Gates should have not personalized the situation and presumed the stereotype of the situation. I sure would appreciate a police officer coming to question me if I had had to go into the house through a non-traditional means. Just because Gates is African American does not mean that he should presume that was why Cowley was there. Cowley should have been there in response to any report of a break in.
True story (probably imperfectly remembered, it was a loong time ago now). Once when I was a (young) teenager, I was hired by my neighbor to look after their animals while they were gone. I did a good enough job, but I was absent minded and one day left the key to the house on the counter and locked it in. My dad had to help me get into the house (the neighbors would still be out of the house for awhile) and we found a window we could open. It was fairly dark out and a neighbor called the police. Since this wasn’t our house we had to establish to the officer that 1) we were neighbors, and 2) I was hired to feed the dogs barking in the house and take them for a walk. Another neighbor identified us, and the officer accompanied me through the window of the house as I retrieved the key (laying where I said it was) and performed my duties (I think the neighbor’s number was also on the counter for me to call in case of emergency). I learned a lesson and was embarrassed, but the officer handled that situation extremely well. He suggested that if something like that ever happened again (My Dad told me that it had better not!) that we call the police and let them know about the situation ahead of time.
Of course, no one questioned the police officer’s right to be there. It didn’t even occur to us.
If Gates had stepped outside himself long enough to realize that Cowley was just doing his job, his arrest wouldn’t have happened.
On the other hand, once Cowley extablished that Gates was in his home, there was no further reason for Cowley to be there(let Gates stand stand on his porch and yell as they drove away-and again, why NOT let Gates have his badge number?).
Cooler heads should have prevailed. And they still should. But they probably won’t, because now we have culture warriors and self described racial justice activists who will try to make political hay out of the situation.
And that’s just sad. Nope. Too nice. That’s simply pathetic.
GMC, that was nice, EXCEPT that Gates wasnt hollering epithets at a “passerby” — He was hollering at a Police Officer, who had seen his ID, and should have kept walking… If had kept on going, Gates might have kept yelling, but he would have gone back inside… I mean, how to you figure Gates was being “tumultuous” when he is — according to the officer — being too loud in the foyer/entryway… and officer had to go outside to hear his radio… Also, the officer said he went back UP the steps, asked Gates to come out of the house, where he THEN cuffed him on the front porch…. The officer is hardly a passerby, as in your reference… By that time, he is nearly an intruder… since there was NO crime scene to investigate…
Gates acted like a jerk… Crowley did some plain shoddy police work…
End of story….
Munkeyspunk Challenges all CONS:
Posted July 24, 2009 at 4:01 pm | Permalink
Once again, Rush Limbaugh synthesizes the whole issue –
“Let’s face it, President Obama’s black, and I think he’s got a chip on his shoulder.”
Defend that, CONs.
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munkeyboy thinks Rush limbaugh is as important as the WPE…..
oohhh hahahah heheheheh hohohoho!!!!
Ag, it’s Crowley not Cowlely.
Crowley was in uniform and obviously has his badge on. Gates could have read the number on the badge.
Don’t belittle Rush, he is every bit as important as Bush(WPE).
“You have yet to admit your previous nic even though it is obvious that you have posted here previously.”
okobserver your observations are the same as mine and a couple of others. The following around business gives Daniel away – for one. We haven’t nailed his previous or existing nic’s are yet.
Daniel, my brother, Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won’t heal?
Sorry libdave, you must have missed the polls today.
Obama has already dropped below the big 5-0.
He is offically, the worst president. Ever.
Chas defends the indefeasible.
End of Story………..
As Paul Harvey used to say: “And that’s the rest of the story”.
I’m outta here to start my weekend.
“Obama Now Says, ‘I Could’ve Calibrated Those Words Differently’ About Cambridge Police.”
Ya think?
How about an apology or saying something of substance?
Calibrate my a$s… WTF does THAT mean?
“You have yet to admit your previous nic even “though it is obvious that you have posted here previously.”
okobserver your observations are the same as mine and a couple of others. The following around business gives Daniel away – for one. We haven’t nailed his previous or existing nic’s are yet.
Daniel, my brother, Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won’t heal?”
When a liberal does this, you cons come all unglued. Where is Regular when you need him. He would stick up for Daniel. I’ve heard him complain about this very thing on my occations.
Dang Obama! Now we got a black police officer who must be a racist too?
Black Police Officer at Scene of Gates Arrest Says He Supports Arresting Officer’s Actions ‘100 Percent’ Black Officer at Scholar’s Home Supports Arrest.(AP)
Wouldn’t it be nice if we had a president who was, well presidential? Someone who sticks to the issues facing this nation – instead of raising the racial flag at every opportunity. Instead of being on TV every hour of every day.
Why does this guy think he has to be the center of attention on every little thing?
“Sorry libdave, you must have missed the polls today.
Obama has already dropped below the big 5-0.
He is offically, the worst president. Ever”
You slay me, when Bush was polling poorly, polls didn’t mater. You can’t have it both ways and maintain any credability.
“Ag, it’s Crowley not Cowlely.”
Fine, except if you are going to jump on me for a spelling mistake, the original mistake was Cowley, not Cowely. And how does this refute what I said?
“Crowley was in uniform and obviously has his badge on. Gates could have read the number on the badge.”
Really? Maybe Crowley could have let Gates write down the badge number by holding still. Regardless, what harm would it have been to let Gates take it down (assuming he didn’t) or simply telling him his badge number? And the badge number is a side issue. The real issue is: Why arrest a man for disorderly conduct once you have established that he is in his house, and that YOUR PRESENCE is the reason for the continued manifestation of the disorderly conduct? The simplest way to deal with the conduct is to remove the cause, yourself.
That’s a fact. And I’ve seen police officers do that before.
And they were singin’, “Bye-bye miss American Pie, drove your chevy to levy,……”
Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals Almost Two to One in America, According to Washington Post Poll
Friday, July 24, 2009
(CNSNews.com) – Americans who consider themselves conservatives now outnumber Americans who consider themselves liberal by almost two to one, according to a new poll by the Washington Post and ABC News.
In the poll of 1,001 adults conducted between July 15-18, respondents were asked: “Would you say your views on most political matters are liberal, moderate, or conservative?”
Thirty-eight percent said they were conservative, while only 20% said they were liberal. Thirty-nine percent, meanwhile, said they were moderate.”
“. You can’t have it both ways and maintain any credability.”
Why not? YOU DO!!! HA!
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American_Way
Posted July 24, 2009 at 4:15 pm | Permalink
“You have yet to admit your previous nic even though it is obvious that you have posted here previously.”
okobserver your observations are the same as mine and a couple of others. The following around business gives Daniel away – for one. We haven’t nailed his previous or existing nic’s are yet.
Daniel, my brother, Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won’t heal?
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All my scars are healed, that’s why they’re scars and not open wounds.
Following around? I’ve barely posted here in several weeks and you’re still whining?
WHy go to medical school? Just let Obama set your wage:
“Midwives Would Be Paid the Same as Doctors Under Provision in Health Care Bill.”(AP)
Perfect example of government control and overreaching. Remember when they just wanted to make sure that every American has health care insurance?
“Iraqi Prime Minister Brings Largely Unnoticed Upbeat Message to White House: Successful ‘Surge’ Has Led to ‘Stability’ in Iraq.”
Well thank-you President Bush.
(which is why it has gone largely – unnoticed in the press.)
OMG! This is sacrilegious!
Someone slipped up letting this one out. The government should have classified this one. Sure doesn’t support their new Cap & Tax, I mean Trade..
Another New Study Challenges Climate Change ‘Orthodoxy’
Friday, July 24, 2009
By Patrick Goodenough, International Editor
Indian students and Greenpeace activists display posters urging Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama to act against “global warming,” during a visit by Clinton to New Delhi on Monday, July 20, 2009. (AP Photo)(CNSNews.com) – Virtually all changes in global atmospheric temperatures in the late 20th century were the result of nature rather than human activity, according to a new peer-reviewed study, one of whose authors predicted Friday was “sure to cause a stir.”
American_Way
Posted July 24, 2009 at 4:25 pm | Permalink
“. You can’t have it both ways and maintain any credability.”
Why not? YOU DO!!! HA!
That is the level of discourse I expected from you.
What next? Grade school taunts?
Meanwhile, on the Obama War front, his sitting down with lunch and apologizing approach doesn’t seem to be working. I’m sure Obama told the Taliban we are not the evil empire. Right?
“Rising Casualties Raise Doubts Among U.S. Allies About Afghanistan War
Friday, July 24, 2009
By Elaine Ganley and Matt Moore, Associated Press
Berlin (AP) – Rising casualties in Afghanistan are raising doubts among U.S. allies about the conduct of the war, forcing some governments to defend publicly their commitments and foreshadowing possible long-term trouble for the U.S. effort to bring in more resources to defeat the Taliban.”
Obama cannot lead the world – he is much too busy trying to run Cambridge Police Department and screwing that up too.
Worst President. Ever.
Now this is a perfect example of the lacking leadership abilities of Obama. Clearly, his pawns in the Congress did not get his memo:
“Black Caucus Members Agree With President Obama’s Criticism of Cambridge Police, Call Harvard Professor’s Arrest ‘Racial Profiling’”
Yes, Obama should just ignore Afghanistan for a few years, it work so well for W.
I guess both the black police officers on the Cambridge Police Department, and the Police Union are not seeing the same thing the professional law enforcement officers in Congress and the white house are.
“CAMBRIDGE — Police unions today called on President Obama and Governor Deval Patrick to apologize to “all law enforcement personnel,” saying they “deeply resent the implication” of their comments about racial profiling and the arrest of an African-American scholar last week at his home near Harvard Square.”
AmWay, that’s not news, and despite the way that it was reported, this doesn’t represent a change. Self described conservatives have outnumbered liberals in this country for most of its history. It’s why we have such a large conservative alternative media (you know, the same one you often tend to spam this discussion boards with). Conservatism has become a brand name ™ in a way that liberalism never has. That is the reason why Faux News and other assorted nonsense purveyors from News Corp. do so well.
The fact of the matter is, however, that self described conservatives also tend to call those who don’t agree with them “liberals”. Thus, the liberals that are recorded in the survey are not the “liberals” right wingnuts often rant about. Having the advantage among the politically obsessed does not mean you have a majority, or even a sympathetic edge, in the general population. Particularly if your “side” is perceived as the more obnoxious one. That was a big part of what happened to Republicans in 2006 and 2008.
The foul weather voters who come out only when dissatisfied will make the party in power hurt. If they are still irritated in 2010 or 2012, the Democrats will feel the pain. If they are feeling good the republicans will probably make gains because they make up the majority of the politically obsessed who vote in elections, while the foul weather voters either won’t bother, or they will go back to their own patterns, at best a wash for Democrats). If the Republicans end up acting like public jerks as the obstructionist party, objecting to even acts that the majority find reasonable as liberal activism, the foul weather voters may be more inclined to try to shut them up by punishing them further at the polls. It’s too soon to say what will happen yet.
I swore I heard Obama say if Congress rushed through his emergency Recovery Act, unemployment would stop at 8.5%. And Obama promised using fear that if congress failed to pass the Recovery Act, in 2010 unemployment would reach 10%.
Was there a retraction, or two, that I missed?
“New Jobless Claims Rise to 554K (AP)Thursday, July 23, 2009
It is impossible for unemployment in Ohio to now be 11.5% – Obama promised!!!
There must be a mistake. Someone’s head should roll for allowing this report to get out.
“This man refused to show ID at first. ”
Fine. Arrest him then.
You don’t arrest a man in his own home over conduct that your continued unneeded presence is causing. Crowley didn’t arrest the Professor because he needed to.
He arrested him because he could.
” I’ve barely posted here in several weeks and you’re still whining?”
Hey Daniel, I Could’ve Calibrated Those Words differently.
I see AmWay is back in spam the board mode again.
So Jay with all his years of law enforcement experience, his junior high school studies, and his observations from being on the scene in Cambridge has the solution and answer for the problem:
“He arrested him because he could.”
That’s almost as good as calibrated!
Agnatha I agree with your 4:42 post. Except, it was in the news today.
I see plenty of posts from libs saying the republicans, or “cons” (I know they are not the same, but I see it) are a dead party.
So although you and I knew it, it was important to remind those may have forgot, and those who refuse to believe.
“Yes, Obama should just ignore Afghanistan for a few years, it work so well for W.”
I’d say “ouch!” but I don’t care what Bush did anymore.
Nope. I’m looking forward. Looking for all the hope and change!
So FAR it seems that officer Crowley is doing most of the egging this on.
I’ve heard no hints that Professor Gates is pursuing the matter. Were it me in his place?
I’d want to hear from Crowley a person to person apology. In other words, no one would need to know but me (Gates) but I would expect the apology.
libdave
Posted July 24, 2009 at 4:38 pm | Permalink
Yes, Obama should just ignore Afghanistan for a few years, it work so well for W.
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But Libdave Obama beefed up the troops, he sent them into danger, he made peace with the terrorists, apologized for the ugly Americans, paid off all of the terrorist nations, got Pakistan on his side and the world loves him. What could possibly be wrong here?
“Nope. I’m looking forward. Looking for all the hope and change!”
Nope all you were looking forward to is pizz and moan.
zzzz, okie I didn’t yank your chain.
made peace with the terrorists????
You could really have something to say, you have a way with words. If only you would get a grip on reality…. What a warped imagination.
I have had to deal with outright in your face racism 4 times this week alone- 3 being at work.
Those who think that blacks are imagining things…you are wrong wrong wrong.
We whites really don’t know how bad it can be to be black.
The ‘jawless fish’ is having difficulty confusing the Kansas County of Cowley and the Cambridge, Massachusetts Police Sergeant named Crowley.
munkless……..you “liver” here……you got a paper cut?
“The front porch was owned by Harvard. He refused to show ID and could have been a cat burgular for all the officer knew.”
BS. Gates showed his driver’s license and his Harvard ID. The fact that he was RENTING the house from Harvard University made it his HOME.
Gates complied with the officer well before the arrest. The officer should have left when Gates’ identity was confirmed.
“BTW Daniel I find a real similarity with you and Tracy who used to post here. Not that you will ever admit to your old nic. Libs have a real problem with honesty about these things.”
Daniel and Tracy are two different people. Tracy still posts here occasionally, as recently as today.
BTW: Who is KSGramma?
John Stewert’s Week In Review…
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/fri-july-24-2009/recap—week-of-7-20-09
“DavidB” –
No wonder Jon Stewart is the most trusted newsman in America.
Michael Jackson didn’t have a real nose?
Now that was odd.
We Americans eat 140 million gallons of gasoline a day. 3% of the consumers are eating 25% of the worlds resource of oil.
If people really care about the environment they should only be buying cars that consume less gas. Not 20 or 25 MPG. Try 40 or 50 MPG. Don’t brag about that SUV hybrid getting 20 MPG.
Maybe if all the gas stations listed the names of our service men and women who died in the middle east, people might make the connection. Don’t start with Iraq 1990. Go back to Beruit and the bombing. Maybe even earlier than this.
Think about those still serving in harms way next time you fuel up.