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Global warmers just keep coming in their effort to save the world over something they have no control over. The Military Angle? BS from Kerry.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/07/kerry_panel_loo.html
Maybe if Obama and democrats would start with the facts – instead of exagerations of the truth, we could have a good basis from which to start discussions on health insurance. I’ve posted specifics before, but it bears repeated particularly since the President, Sebelius, Dodd, and other democrats have now inflated the number up 9%.
“(CNSNews.com) – Democrats in Congress and media reports have been claiming that “almost” 50 million Americans lack health insurance. But the latest figures from the U.S. Census Bureau say there are in fact 45.65 million uninsured people in this country and that 9.7 million of those are not U.S. citizens.
Thus, the number of Americans who for one reason or another lack health insurance, is actually 35.9 million–or “almost” 36 million–not the “almost” 50 million being repeatedly cited.”
Further, the Census Bureau and statistics show the number of people with health insurance coverage has actually been increasing – not decreasing as Obama likes to spout.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=50288
Is it any wonder even democrats are baulking?
The legislation in the House is based upon propoganda. We shouldn’t have laws made like this.
In his speach last night:
” In a nationally televised primetime press conference tonight, President Barack Obama falsely claimed there are 47 million Americans without health insurance.”
In June, White House Advisors stated there were 46 million Americans without health insurance.
I’m reading and hearing quotes in the media and others spouting:
Nearly 50 million
Up to 50 million
Over 50 million
Anyone want to bet we will soon hear 55 million?
On this date, Jul 23rd, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 109 °F (1936)
Low: 55 °F (1970)
According to the Republicans half of those uninsured people are young people making over $75,000.
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/sen-judd-gregg-says
Of course Republicans have nothing to support their claims, their only intent is to stop the health care program in order to make Obama look bad. So their intent is clear and if they lie to achieve their goal then they are happy. So every argument a Republican makes should be taken with a grain of salt.
The Census Bureau says that there are only 35.92 million uninsured Americans and that this number includes 9.1 million people who earn more than $75,000 per year and simply choose not to purchase insurance.
“Of course Republicans have nothing to support their claims,…”
That sounds like the Democrats counting “jobs saved”.
Don’t know how many go without insurance by choice. But I know that I did for 3 years when I was in my early thirties while working as a contract employee and making buckets of money. I weighed getting a catastrophic coverage policy but never got around to doing it.
It happens.
Woman With Hormone Condition Stands 6-Feet, 6-Inches; Weighs 476 Pounds
Fox News
Tanya Angus is believed to be one of the tallest and heaviest women on the planet and doctors say her condition cannot be stopped by medication.
Angus, who appeared on NBC’s Today show in June, lives in Nevada and suffers from a condition known as acromegaly, also referred to as gigantism.
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I guess if you’re gonna be a big one – have the last name of Angus is a good thing. :)
‘National security emphasis could inspire more support for climate bill, says former Sen. John Warner‘
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-22-national-security-support-climate-bill-john-warner/
Hey cosmos, sounds like duh Libs are using scare tactics to promote their agenda.
Could this possibly be true that the bogeyman for the Warmers CO2 scare involves oil?
(smirks)
Cosmo
Can the scare mongering. The Pentagon can stand down on the “WARMING” scenerio. We’re in for a long cool spell.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/
It’s the sun stupid.
The Science and Public Policy Institute announces the publication of Climate Money, a study by Joanne Nova revealing that the federal Government has a near-monopsony on climate science funding. This distorts the science towards self-serving alarmism. Key findings:
Ø The US Government has spent more than $79 billion of taxpayers’ money since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, administration, propaganda campaigns, foreign aid, and tax breaks. Most of this spending was unnecessary.
Ø Despite the billions wasted, audits of the science are left to unpaid volunteers. A dedicated but largely uncoordinated grassroots movement of scientists has sprung up around the globe to test the integrity of “global warming” theory and to compete with a lavishly-funded, highly-organized climate monopsony. Major errors have been exposed again and again.
Ø Carbon trading worldwide reached $126 billion in 2008. Banks, which profit most, are calling for more. Experts are predicting the carbon market will reach $2 – $10 trillion in the near future. Hot air will soon be the largest single commodity traded on global exchanges.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=104031&cat=12
American_Way
Posted July 23, 2009 at 7:11 am | Permalink
Maybe if Obama and democrats would start with the facts – instead of exagerations of the truth, we could have a good basis from which to start discussions on health insurance.
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Amway, you’re right. And while we’re at it, the Republicans should stop the fearmongering.
The healthcare discussion hasn’t been the brightest moment in our political history. SOMETHING needs to be done about the out of control rise in healthcare costs. But Dems and Repubs would rather posture and grandstand than really solve the problem.
I predict that we’ll eventually get something called healthcare reform. I also predict that it’ll be mostly cosmetic, it’ll cost taxpayers a fortune, and Big Pharma will make a killing.
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 8:34 am
Major errors have been exposed again and again.
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LOL!
donndublin offers humor and sarcasm this morning.
Heckler posted July 23, 2009 at 8:23 am
It’s the sun stupid.
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. . . and Heckler makes the irrational and unsupportable claim that the chemistry of Earth’s atmosphere (the “greenhouse” effect) is not a factor in Earth’s climate.
cosmos says-” donndublin offers humor and sarcasm this morning.”
The real humor is the simplistic “models” the warmers tried to use to “prove” global warming. And the fact that they shifted gears away from “global warming” to “climate change” when doing their scare mongering.
Sorry Reg but you Republicans are lying. Thankfully there’s something called the Census Bureau which puts the information online.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf
Those with incomes over $75,000 (counting the total, not just the young which would be a smaller population) is 9.115 million, a reduction from the previous year. There are over 45 million uninsured.
Republicans don’t have facts on their side and it shows, once again, that their opposition to the Obama’s plan is merely political.
Heckler,
Are you ignorant, or lying?
The term “climate change” has been used by scientists since the 1970’s to describe the non-temperature effects of AGW.
donndublin,
Your source is very impressive! /sarcasm OFF
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_and_Public_Policy_Institute
cosmos says- “The term “climate change” has been used by scientists since the 1970’s to describe the non-temperature effects of AGW.”
Back in the day when they were trying to tell us that the particulates put into the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels was blocking the sun and that we were headed for a new ice age if we didnt change our evil coal/oil burning ways?
So Don’s source is some guy writing a blog from his basement? Yeah, these science deniers are that desperate.
Meanwhile, in a distracting sideshow, Exxon-Mobil Corp is repeatedly attacked for paying just $23 million to skeptics—less than a thousandth of what the US government spends on alarmists, and less than one five-thousandth of the value of carbon trading in 2008 alone.
Ø The large expenditure designed to prove the non-existent connection between carbon and climate has created a powerful alliance of self-serving vested interests.
Ø By pouring so much money into pushing a single, scientifically-baseless agenda, the Government has created not an unbiased investigation but a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Ø Sound science cannot easily survive the vice-like grip of politics and finance.
Says Nova, “For the first time, the numbers from government documents have been compiled in one place. It’s time to start talking of “Monopolistic Science”. It’s time to expose the lie that those who claim “to save the planet” are the underdogs. And it’s time to get serious about auditing science, especially when it comes to pronouncements that are used to justify giant government programs and massive movements of money.”
Robert Ferguson, SPPI’s president, says: “This study counts the cost of years of wasted Federal spending on the ‘global warming’ non-problem. Government bodies, big businesses and environmental NGOs have behaved like big tobacco: recruiting, controlling and rewarding their own “group-think” scientists who bend climate modeling to justify the State’s near-maniacal quest for power, control, wealth and forced population reduction.
“Joanne Nova, who wrote our study, speaks for thousands of scientists in questioning whether a clique of taxpayer-funded climate modelers are getting the data right, or just getting the “right” data. Are politicians paying out billions of our dollars for evidence-driven policy-making, or policy-driven evidence-making? The truth is more crucial than ever, because American lives, property and constitutional liberties are at risk.”
Read Joanne Nova’s important paper Climate Money here: http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/climate_money.html
“Back in the day when they were trying to tell us that the particulates put into the atmosphere from burning fossil fuels was blocking the sun and that we were headed for a new ice age if we didnt change our evil coal/oil burning ways?”
Wow, how many times does this need to be corrected? Yeah, particles in the air reflect sunlight. Pollution was different back in the day and the smog generating pollution was reflecting sunlight, just as China’s particle pollutants is now. In America that type of pollution was cleaned up so that’s why it isn’t considered a problem any more.
So I see you haven’t updated your knowledge since the 70s.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 23, 2009 at 8:42 am | Permalink
Heckler posted July 23, 2009 at 8:23 am
It’s the sun stupid.
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. . . and Heckler makes the irrational and unsupportable claim that the chemistry of Earth’s atmosphere (the “greenhouse” effect) is not a factor in Earth’s climate.
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….. and cosMo makes the irrational and unsupportable claim that the sun is not the most significant fact in the Earth’s climate.
fact = factor
“and cosMo makes the irrational and unsupportable claim that the sun is not the most significant fact in the Earth’s climate.”
What an interestingly ignorant statement. Do you wonder why the moon is so cold and the Earth isn’t despite both bodies getting the same amount of sun?
It’s called atmosphere, perhaps you ought to look into it.
Here Don, this might be helpful.
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html
I know Stanford University isn’t some guy in his basement calling himself an institute but they do have a bit more credibility.
“Solar irradiance changes have been measured reliably by satellites for only 30 years. These precise observations show changes of a few tenths of a percent that depend on the level of activity in the 11-year solar cycle. Changes over longer periods must be inferred from other sources. Estimates of earlier variations are important for calibrating the climate models. While a component of recent global warming may have been caused by the increased solar activity of the last solar cycle, that component was very small compared to the effects of additional greenhouse gases. According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release, ‘…the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases…greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role…’”
cosmos says-”. . . and Heckler makes the irrational and unsupportable claim that the chemistry of Earth’s atmosphere (the “greenhouse” effect) is not a factor in Earth’s climate.”
Oh really cos? Show me where I said this.
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 23, 2009 at 8:49 am | Permalink
donndublin,
Your source is very impressive! /sarcasm OFF
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_and_Public_Policy_Institute
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Thanks cosMo for the link showing that SPPI is not heavily funded by political interests, unlike the alarmists they expose.
“Thanks cosMo for the link showing that SPPI is not heavily funded by political interests, unlike the alarmists they expose.”
Like institutions of science and universities, the people who know what they are talking about? I’ll bet you listen to the nut on the street corning wearing placards and wearing a tin foil hat. There’s your credible source.
The sun plays a significant role in climate. All one has to do is look at night and day.
Exposure to the sun during night time hours is well, different than during the day.
When is the last time you wore sunscreen at midnight? :)
Maggott
It’s not the solar radiation. It’s the lack of storms on the solar surface. The storms create an increased magnetic field that protects the earth from galactic radiation. Tiny particles that drift through space and enter our atmosphere.
The theory suggests that when the sun is quiet, like now, more of these particles enter the atmosphere. Clouds form more readily in the presence of these particles resulting in increased cloud cover, precipitation, and thus lower temperatures.
Yeah, it’s just a theory. BUT…isotopic studies show that the changes in the presence of these particles more closely follow global temperature changes over the last 100,000 years than does CO2.
Read a book.
Yeah Heckler, I’ll believe you over Stanford and NASA. Thanks for playing.
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Just caught your 8:35 post. I’d bet you’re exactly right.
Heckler posted July 23, 2009 at 9:05 am
cosmos says-”. . . and Heckler makes the irrational and unsupportable claim that the chemistry of Earth’s atmosphere (the “greenhouse” effect) is not a factor in Earth’s climate.”
Oh really cos? Show me where I said this.
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Heckler posted July 23, 2009 at 8:23 am
Cosmo
Can the scare mongering. The Pentagon can stand down on the “WARMING” scenerio. We’re in for a long cool spell.
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_igr/512/
It’s the sun stupid.
Heckler posted July 23, 2009 at 9:13 am
The theory suggests that when the sun is quiet, like now, more of these particles enter the atmosphere. Clouds form more readily in the presence of these particles resulting in increased cloud cover, precipitation, and thus lower temperatures.
. . .
Read a book.
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Read the data.
The problem with your theory is there is no trend in cosmic rays since the 1950’s. No trend means that cosmic rays do not explain the warming trend since the mid-1970’s
Increased levels of GHG’s do explain the warming trend since the mid-1970’s.
Maggott
Don’t believe me. The studies are out there. Google is your friend.
Two Quotes to Ponder:
‘Life’s tough……it’s even tougher if you’re stupid.’ — John Wayne
‘My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.’ — Barack Obama
Unfortunately now we are beginning to understand what the second one
means and what the first says about us.
I believe NASA, Maggot…
A new research report from a surprising source may help to lay this skepticism to rest. A study from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth’s climate. The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.
Past research has shown that the sun goes through eleven year cycles. At the cycle’s peak, solar activity occurring near sunspots is particularly intense, basking the Earth in solar heat. According to Robert Cahalan, a climatologist at the Goddard Space Flight Center, “Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene.”
http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+Study+Acknowledges+Solar+Cycle+Not+Man+Responsible+for+Past+Warming/article15310.htm
Cosmo says-”Increased levels of GHG’s do explain the warming trend since the mid-1970’s.”
The “warming trend” since the 1970’s is so effing tiny that to conclusively attribute it to anything is just wankering.
Maggotpunk posted July 23, 2009 at 9:11 am
“Thanks cosMo for the link showing that SPPI is not heavily funded by political interests, unlike the alarmists they expose.”
Like institutions of science and universities, the people who know what they are talking about? I’ll bet you listen to the nut on the street corning wearing placards and wearing a tin foil hat. There’s your credible source.
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donndublin prefers to believe everything that Monckton says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton,_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley
“Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley (born 14 February 1952) is a British politician, business consultant, policy adviser, writer, columnist, and inventor. “
“Average global temperatures may increase by 1.4-5.8ºC (that’s 2.5 – 10.4º F) by the end of the 21st century. Although the numbers sound small, they can trigger significant changes in climate. (The difference between global temperatures during an Ice Age and an ice-free period is only about 5ºC.) Besides resulting in more hot days, many scientists believe an increase in temperatures may lead to changes in precipitation and weather patterns. Warmer ocean water may result in more intense and frequent tropical storms and hurricanes. Sea levels are also expected to increase by 0.09 – 0.88 m. in the next century, mainly from melting glaciers and expanding seawater . Global warming may also affect wildlife and species that cannot survive in warmer environments may become extinct. Finally, human health is also at stake, as global warming may result in the spreading of certain diseases such as malaria, the flooding of major cities, a greater risk of heat stroke for individuals, and poor air quality.”
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From your link maggot.
Did you notice how many times the word “may” was used? It is used in almost every sentence. The word “may” is speculative term. If you had any knowledge of science you MAY know that.
“may increase”, “may lead”, “may result”, “may also”, “may become”, “may result”
Perhaps Stanford University MAY never have received the government funding if they didn’t tow the AGW alarmist line.
Secondly the term “Average global temperatures may increase” is a misnomer. It defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It can be argued that it will decrease depending on what data set is used.
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/globaltemp/GlobTemp.JNET.pdf
“their opposition to the Obama’s plan is merely political”
Of course it’s political! Democrats are political. Republicans are political.
Since Obama spoke about it recently: Suddenly you guys act as if that is something new to politics.
Every action by our elected officials is political. Always have been.
“Political philosophy is the study of questions about the city, government, politics, liberty, justice, property, rights, law and the enforcement of a legal code by authority: what they are, why (or even if) they are needed, what makes a government legitimate, what rights and freedoms it should protect and why, what form it should take and why, what the law is, and what duties citizens owe to a legitimate government, if any, and when it may be legitimately overthrown—if ever. In a vernacular sense, the term “political philosophy” often refers to a general view, or specific ethic, political belief or attitude, about politics that does not necessarily belong to the technical discipline of philosophy.”
This is going to be the banter on blogs for the next few months, much like the “party of no” was before that.
Both are an attempt to label the expression of difference political beliefs – as a negative.
They are not. They are an inherent part of the American democracy and our way of life.
Regular posted July 23, 2009 at 9:35 am
I believe NASA, Maggot…
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Thank you for making that statement, Regular.
‘Solar Variability: Striking A Balance With Climate Change‘
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080512120523.htm
“”For the last 20 to 30 years, we believe greenhouse gases have been the dominant influence on recent climate change,” said Robert Cahalan, climatologist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. “
OBAMA: I want to cover everybody. Now, the truth is that, unless you have a — what’s called a single-payer system, in which everybody is automatically covered, then you’re probably not going to reach every single individual because there’s always going to be somebody out there who thinks they’re indestructible and doesn’t want to get health care, doesn’t bother getting health care, and then, unfortunately, when they get hit by a bus, end up in the emergency room and the rest of us have to pay for it.
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Doesn’t this sound alot like why a number of people aren’t covered now?
No trend means that cosmic rays do not explain the warming trend since the mid-1970’s
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Nature not man responsible for recent global warming…little or none of late 20th century warming and cooling can be attributed to humans
Surge in global temps since 1977 can be attributed to a 1976 climate shift in the Pacific Ocean
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008JD011637.shtml
Thank you cosmos for that article – it shows that solar influence will be the factor in determining temperature trends.
The solar variations are expected to continue to modulate both warming and cooling trends at the level of 0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius (0.18 to 0.26 Fahrenheit) over many years.
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Surprisingly enough cosmos, that temperature range pretty much covers the Warmers agenda on politically inspired global warming.
Actually Reg you still don’t know what you are talking about. Your 2003 NASA study (which your source claims is new) says the solar cycle accounts for only 0.1 degree in the increase of the Earth’s temperature, far less than the total increase.
The study also says it’s a cycle. So while it accounts for zero percent increase during part of its cycle there is something else that does account for the rest of the increase, greenhouse gases.
For this you can go to the NASA website (and don’t have to solely rely on a 2003 study which NASA says does not account for the vast majority of the warming).
http://climate.jpl.nasa.gov/causes/
It’s a shame you science deniers have to continue being dishonest. Your own source claims that you guys are wrong.
GMC70
Posted July 23, 2009 at 9:21 am | Permalink
XXX -
Just caught your 8:35 post. I’d bet you’re exactly right.
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Thanks for the backup, Bro.
It’s business as usual
“And while we’re at it, the Republicans should stop the fearmongering.
The healthcare discussion hasn’t been the brightest moment in our political history. SOMETHING needs to be done about the out of control rise in healthcare costs.”
XXX both sides are fearmongering. Obama himself is guilty by creating fear of inaction – will result in (1) economic catastrophy (2) people going broke, etc..etc.. “emergency”. Very similiar to his same comments on the Recovery Act, some of which has proven to be not true.
I posted months ago that I’m all for taking care of the those “truly” without healthcare insurance.
But your post brings up part of the problem – what is the mission?
You say “something has to be done about cost”.
That’s what’s important to you – and what you are expecting?
I think democrats are victims of their own propoganda. The buildup for this legislation has included elevating:
1. The cost of healthcare
2. The quality of healthcare (birth/death ages used)
3. The lack of healthcare or “insurance”
The above have been blown up and advertised heavily to create fear and concern among Americans.
All three of these are debatable as far as being an “emergency” or even an issue.
So, now we have this HUGE bill which is an attempt to be everything to everybody. Democrats are trying to resolve the entire healthcare world, because of expectations they helped promote.
Some posters are advocating even more – a single healthcare payer/system, which is beyond the scope of what is proposed (unless you believe any public plan will kill private). Some probably believe congress has proposed a Canadian or British level of public care. The truth is something different.
But all of this is the result of politicians raising unrealistic expectations.
It’s an exciting time!
If President Obama is able to bring the country guaranteed health care and the sky does NOT fall (it won’t unless the cons try to make it)
The Republican party will be finished for the rest of our lives!
If President Obama is able to bring the country guaranteed health care and the sky does NOT fall (it won’t unless the cons try to make it)
Wait till the bill comes due junior.
“I predict that we’ll eventually get something called healthcare reform. I also predict that it’ll be mostly cosmetic, it’ll cost taxpayers a fortune, and Big Pharma will make a killing.” (XXX)
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Couldn’t agree more. Would be nice if there was at least honesty in the debate. The 47M # quoted, which someone posted above is silly, as it includes not only those not purchasing while they could afford, also includes immigrants & people under 35 who tend to roll the dice.
Or how Obama talks about how doctors only choose the high dollar prescriptions…funny, because every prescription plan I’ve ever seen had a greatly discounted co-pay for generics, yeah, that’s not some new thing only Dems could think of.
Or how the Mayo model should be duplicated across the nation (comment he made in ABC informercial and touched on again last night). Weird, because the vast majority of people don’t START at the Mayo, they go there after trying several other docs. NOBODY could afford to start with sitting down with all the primary/specialist/surgeons in a room to “save cost”…but reporters never challenge him on that idiocy. Part of which he claims is due to duplication of tests at each step. Funny, because I’ve carried x-rays to a specialist appt, carried CT scans of my parents to their appts. That duplication isn’t the norm, so I’m calling BS on the massive savings he claims he’s going to create, because “doctors don’t talk to each other”.
Lastly, how about just admitting that Medicare’s already broke, to the tune of $38T or so! Claiming you found “savings” in Medicare, that can’t even fix Medicare, but that those savings should be pointed towards a new plan is insanity. But again, it goes unchallenged.
Or the claim that only the govt can consolidate “what works” in terms of treatment strategies, because docs aren’t smart enough to apply their knowledge, continuing education, participation in trials, etc. But politicians/bureaucrats are???
If the concern if making sure more $’s “in the system” are going towards healthcare vs overhead, why would you ever take tort reform off the table? Besides the fact that it would also help work comp, auto, prop & casualty, homeowner’s, etc not just malpractice/health insurance rates!
There’s a different thread on this claiming the GOP is just playing politics…it’s ALL POLITICS ALL THE TIME, which is a perfect reason to keep them out of healthcare!
“And while we’re at it, the Republicans should stop the fearmongering.
The healthcare discussion hasn’t been the brightest moment in our political history. SOMETHING needs to be done about the out of control rise in healthcare costs. But Dems and Repubs would rather posture and grandstand than really solve the problem.” [XXX]
Excellent point, XXX… This “posturing” as you put it, has now been going on for 61 years, since Harry Truman first brought it up as a NEED, in 1948… And every time it comes up, the FEAR mongering gets worse and worse… I still wish Clinton would have lashed out at the nay sayers, but he just backed away like others had done before him, and since…
I HOPE Obama will attack with both barrels blazing… like he DIDNT do last night…
“bring the country guaranteed health care”
I remember the government guaranteed full Social Security at age 65.
I remember the government guaranteed Medicare would pay the entire medical costs for seniors.
I remember the government guaranteed veterans healthcare for life.
I’ve read the government guaranteed native American Indians their lands wouldn’t be encroached upon.
And BTW Bluejay, if you dial 911 and ask for an ambulance – I believe one will show up, whether you have insurance or not.
“Wait till the bill comes due junior.”
Sol, I doubt Bluejay or millions of other Americans care about the bill. Millions pay no income taxes.
That’s part of the problem.
“Millions pay no income taxes.”
And a few hundred thousand don’t pay near enough.
“And a few hundred thousand don’t pay near enough.”
Please define “near enough” as a pecentage of income and what level.
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 9:39 am
Secondly the term “Average global temperatures may increase” is a misnomer. It defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
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donndublin defies rational thinking.
DFB
Posted July 23, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink
“I predict that we’ll eventually get something called healthcare reform. I also predict that it’ll be mostly cosmetic, it’ll cost taxpayers a fortune, and Big Pharma will make a killing.” (XXX)
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Couldn’t agree more. Would be nice if there was at least honesty in the debate.
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So true. But it’s probably oxymoronic to expect honesty out of Washington.
Am I the only one who has days where you want to say, “A pox on both of your parties”?
Am I the only one who has days where you want to say, “A pox on both of your parties”?
- XXX
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You are far from alone!
All this talk about “fearmongering” and holding up the healthcare legislation – blaming the republicans, but being mad at both parties is too funny.
BTW, democrats own the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the white house.
Now who really is holding up the legislation?
And a few hundred thousand don’t pay near enough.
Just like a DIM, lusting over what they haven’t earned.
God forbid they earn and pay their own way. Laws no, someone else should pay for junior and his boy. He is a DIM after all.
The Democrat party – It’s easier than earning a living.
cosMo has no idea what Thermodynamics is. Physics is foreign to him.
He thinks finding melted chocolate on a thermometer he sticks up his as$ is proof of AGW.
American_Way
Posted July 23, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink
“And while we’re at it, the Republicans should stop the fearmongering.
The healthcare discussion hasn’t been the brightest moment in our political history. SOMETHING needs to be done about the out of control rise in healthcare costs.”
XXX both sides are fearmongering. Obama himself is guilty by creating fear of inaction – will result in (1) economic catastrophy (2) people going broke, etc..etc.. “emergency”. Very similiar to his same comments on the Recovery Act, some of which has proven to be not true.
I posted months ago that I’m all for taking care of the those “truly” without healthcare insurance.
But your post brings up part of the problem – what is the mission?
You say “something has to be done about cost”.
That’s what’s important to you – and what you are expecting?
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Amway, I’m really concerned about the spiraling cost to the consumer, but the cost to the taxpayer is truly frightening. When you add the cost of bailouts, etc, I just don’t see any result that we’re going to like.
I think the seeds for the collapse of our economy were sewed during the last administration. I believe the current administration is adding water…
It’s a sad day when honorable Americans from both sides can’t come together and deal with the problems that face us.
It’s so much more productive to shout at each other and point fingers (NOT).
Am I the only one who has days where you want to say, “A pox on both of your parties”?
- XXX
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Been saying it for awhile now. THe parties don;t give a damn about the people, they only care about themselves, and the parties. They have only devised different “talking points” and meme’s to distract the general population from noticing there is no real difference.
He thinks finding melted chocolate on a thermometer he sticks up his as$ is proof of AGW.
What is disturbing is when she declares the chocolate to be bitter sweet.
A little fact check by the AP on last nights speech.
OBAMA: “I have also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade, and I mean it.”
THE FACTS: The president has said repeatedly that he wants “deficit-neutral” health care legislation, meaning that every dollar increase in cost is met with a dollar of new revenue or a dollar of savings. But some things are more neutral than others. White House Budget Director Peter Orszag told reporters this week that the promise does not apply to proposed spending of about $245 billion over the next decade to increase fees for doctors serving Medicare patients. Democrats and the Obama administration argue that the extra payment, designed to prevent a scheduled cut of about 21 percent in doctor fees, already was part of the administration’s policy, with or without a health care overhaul.
Beyond that, budget experts have warned about various accounting gimmicks that can mask true burdens on the deficit. The bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget lists a variety of them, including back-loading the heaviest costs at the end of the 10-year period and beyond
OBAMA: “You haven’t seen me out there blaming the Republicans.”
THE FACTS: Obama did so in his opening statement, saying, “I’ve heard that one Republican strategist told his party that even though they may want to compromise, it’s better politics to ‘go for the kill.’ Another Republican senator said that defeating health reform is about ‘breaking’ me.”
OBAMA: “If we had done nothing, if you had the same old budget as opposed to the changes we made in our budget, you’d have a $9.3 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. Because of the changes we’ve made, it’s going to be $7.1 trillion.”
THE FACTS: Obama’s numbers are based on figures compiled by his own budget office. But they rely on assumptions about economic growth that some economists find too optimistic. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, in its own analysis of the president’s budget numbers, concluded that the cumulative deficit over the next decade would be $9.1 trillion (AP)
Been saying it for awhile now. THe parties don;t give a damn about the people, they only care about themselves, and the parties. They have only devised different “talking points” and meme’s to distract the general population from noticing there is no real difference.
You know there is something you can do about that…
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 10:48 am
cosMo has no idea what Thermodynamics is. Physics is foreign to him.
He thinks finding melted chocolate on a thermometer he sticks up his as$ is proof of AGW.
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donndublin continues to defy rational thinking.
“You know there is something you can do about that…”
Absolutely. I support no political party financially or otherwise. I only support individuals, regardless of party. I did not vote for the Presidential candidate of either major political party. I try to seek to find common ground and understanding on many issues and would rather deal with an honest (insert either party here) than with a lying, promise throwing (insert either party here) politician. Unfortunately, they seem difficult to find.
cosMo continues eating the chocolate off his rectal thermometer.
Problem is, if Obama succeeds, Repubs fail for decades to come. Party before Country.
i don’t want to encourage obama to go on another “apology tour”.but he owes that police officer in cambridge an apology
Why? Just because President Obama “doesn;t know all the facts” and Obama called Gates a friend,
and therefore has an unbiased, uninformed opinion that the cops acted “stupidly” why should he apologize?
sorry, “unbiased” should have been “biased”
wichhick
Posted July 23, 2009 at 11:02 am | Permalink
i don’t want to encourage obama to go on another “apology tour”.but he owes that police officer in cambridge an apology
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I think I read where the prof. mouthed off to the cop.
As I learned in my younger days, mouthing off to a cop, reguardless of the situation, is never a good plan.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf
AmWay–
Knowing how right-wing sources play fast and loose with the facts, I searched the original source (above) to verify.
It DID say that 45.7 million people were without health insurance (see fig. 6, page 28).
When I searched the document for 9.7 (as in 9.7 million non-citizens), I found nothing related.
Since charges were dropped, I think that says something about the officer’s judgment…
You want to reduce health care costs, first look to tort reform. Capping punitive damages has done wonders for Texas.
XXX–
I agree, of course. They were just doing their jobs. In other circumstances, they would have been criticised for NOT questioning the suspect.
BUT I thought putting the guy in handcuffs was a little much.
I actually had the same thing happen to me when I first moved into my house. I was fixing a burned out light on the second story, so I crawled out on this breeze way structure and a neighbor thought I was a burgler.
The cops came, I showed them my ID, and they checked it out.
Totally not a big deal.
“So true. But it’s probably oxymoronic to expect honesty out of Washington.
Am I the only one who has days where you want to say, “A pox on both of your parties”? (XXX)
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That’s exactly my point. They’re BOTH screwups! The one thing they’ve BOTH consistently proven is they’re screwups! Yet, we’re supposed to believe THIS time, they feel lucky..they had a dream about THESE lottery #’s and they need to borrow $20 to go buy lottery tickets as a solution!
Facts are twisted when used, and otherwise replaced with feel good soundbytes. Nobody on either side believes healthcare is as cheap as it should be..but neither side with all acknowledge how much they’ve added to the problem.
It’s funny to me that nobody seems to remember the little gem that was tacked onto one of Bush’s stimulus or TARP bills can’t remember which, that will require health insurance companies to provide coverage for mental health services, SPECIFICALLY drug/alcohol rehab! Who in the H thinks THAT will make health premiums, too expensive already, CHEAPER?
As for the diatribes about how a “civil society” owes it to everyone, IF we were a “civil society” we wouldn’t need such a massive govt, jails, policemen, FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, etc, etc, etc. so enough with the lame platitudes. Can’t pay for a cup of coffee, let alone healthcare with platitudes.
Like I said, just a little bit of honesty and something other than fear mongering (from both sides) would be nice. Maybe just a sliver of journalistic integrity would be nice too. The kind that challenges answers with actual follow-up questions instead of nodding like a bobblehead.
45 mil. 47 mil. 50 mil., pretty soon you’re talkin about alot of folks!
And speaking of a biased source:
From the WashPost,
The political battle over health-care reform is waged largely with numbers, and few number-crunchers have shaped the debate as much as the Lewin Group, a consulting firm whose research has been widely cited by opponents of a public insurance option.
To Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House Republican whip, it is “the nonpartisan Lewin Group.” To Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee, it is an “independent research firm.” To Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the second-ranking Republican on the pivotal Finance Committee, it is “well known as one of the most nonpartisan groups in the country.”
Generally left unsaid amid all the citations is that the Lewin Group is wholly owned by UnitedHealth Group, one of the nation’s largest insurers.
More specifically, the Lewin Group is part of Ingenix, a UnitedHealth subsidiary that was accused by the New York attorney general and the American Medical Association, a physician’s group, of helping insurers shift medical expenses to consumers by distributing skewed data. Ingenix supplied its parent company and other insurers with data that allegedly understated the “usual and customary” doctor fees that insurers use to determine how much they will reimburse consumers for out-of-network care.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072202216.html?hpid=topnews
You see the DIMS on here railing for health care reform. You see them tapping the numbers and saying “Look how awful.” You see them railing against the successful and demanding they fund a poorly thought out program that will increase the burden all across America to put a few people on health care they may not want.
What they fail to do is think. From the president, to the senators, to the congress critters all the way down to lowly capnA and junior.
What you have failed to do is dissect the problem. What is the cause, the source. I know they will both knee jerk the democrat talking points, and that again proves they do not think.
Find out what raised the costs. Attack the source of the problem. Not every problem can be solved by throwing trillions of dollars we don’t have at 1,000 pages of legislation not many have read and fewer understand.
One of the biggest problems in Washington is unexpected outcome. When you throw whopping trillion dollar “catch all” legislation around, you are only fueling the fires of corruption and waste. All in the name of “feeling good” about some turd legislation.
The way repub pol. are kicking and screaming I suspected they were joined at the hips.
Find out what raised the costs. Attack the source of the problem.
Sol–
That’s one important thing that health care reform will do. No country in the world allows medical care providers and insurers to charge whatever they want to — usually different rates to DIFFERENT groups even.
Try to find out what a procedure will cost at your hospital before you have it. The “cost” is all based on what your insurer has negotiated to pay for that procedure. Uninsured people pay up to three times more for the same thing.
Gov’t will have to essentially set prices. That’s the way it’s done everywhere except for here.
New Poll shows majority disapprove of O’BAMA’s dealing with health care
CNN
Forty-four percent of those questioned in the survey approve of how Obama’s dealing with health care, while 50 percent do not, according to the USA Today/Gallup Poll.
James Carville, a Democratic strategist and CNN contributor, said Obama’s prime-time appeal probably wasn’t much of a game-changer.
“Honestly, I doubt if you’re going to see the numbers move. You’ll see the numbers really move a lot, if he succeeds, and he’ll do a lot better. If he fails, it will be a lot worse than 50 [percent] disapprove,” he said.
“Since charges were dropped, I think that says something about the officer’s judgment…
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Or the politics of the situaiton, since the PResident of the United States weighed in on how stupid the cops were acting, without even knowing all the facts (by his own admission)
The costs are going up because medical care is the epitome of an inelastic demand.
When you need chemo or you die, you don’t concern yourself with cost.
LittleJohn–
They had a Harvard professor in handcuffs. A pretty famous one too . . .
You think that’s not a mistake?
“Uninsured people pay up to three times more for the same thing.”
or, nothing at all
LJ brings up a pretty valid point. Whom, exactly, gave the Federal Government the right to mandate to a State’s citizenry that they will carry health insurance?
Riddle me this, does a politician in Kansas know what a Kansan (?) needs more than a politician in Washington?
Does health care cost the same in California as it does in Wyoming?
Why aren’t the states responsible for the healthcare of their citizens? What makes you people think the federal government is better at deciding than your own locally elected officials?
How is Amtrak doing? When was the last time Canada or Britton released a ground breaking medication?
“LittleJohn–
They had a Harvard professor in handcuffs. A pretty famous one too . . .
You think that’s not a mistake?”
Don;t know, since I don;t know all the facts.
They had a Harvard professor in handcuffs. A pretty famous one too . . .
You think that’s not a mistake?
Did he identify himself? Was he acting belligerent? You ever try to “escort” a drunk out of a bar? Safety first. Eliminate the possible threat.
“They had a Harvard professor in handcuffs.” [CapN]
Yea, and in his own house, no less…
Other than possibly as an expert in his/her field, the fact that they are a Harvard professor means nothing to me. Big fn deal. I have known crooks and knaves, and men of impeccable character, from many walks of life, substance, and positions of respect.
Sol–
If we allowed people who don’t have health care to die like dogs in the street then you’d have a point.
Since we don’t, you don’t.
It’s like vaccinations. When you “opt out” you put everyone else at risk too.
So a well-run health care system cannot allow opt outs. And that’s why no country except ours allows people to walk around without coverage.
LJ–
Your personal knowledge of criminals is impressive.
But Gates was handcuffed on his own front porch. I don’t care how you slice it, that is a mistake.
Capn,
Try doing some research – and avoid DU and other such sources. My sister is a doctor. A couple of my uncles are doctors. I listen to real world issues, not talking points of either extreme.
Look into it. This is not a problem that can be solved by throwing away trillions into an already corrupted system on 1,000 pages of legislation that few have read and even fewer understand.
The ink isn’t even dry yet. No one has looked into the unintended repercussion. Hell, no one has even looked at the damn BILL ling enough to find the flaws.
The full report
“http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html”
“But Gates was handcuffed on his own front porch. I don’t care how you slice it, that is a mistake.”
Why?
“That’s one important thing that health care reform will do. No country in the world allows medical care providers and insurers to charge whatever they want to — usually different rates to DIFFERENT groups even.” (Capn)
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So why not regulate health insurance premiums the way the Federal Energy Regulatory Comm & the Kansas Corporation Commission do on interstate trucking, pipeline movements, utilities, etc, or the way usury laws cover banking rates? Why not start with a process, whereby the insurance companies must justify their premiums based on costs, no different than those other industries, based on the commerce clause (it’s been distorted enough, why stop now!)? To Sol’s point, if the problem is no limits on premiums, why start with a takeover first if that’s the root of the problem?
So a well-run health care system cannot allow opt outs. And that’s why no country except ours allows people to walk around without coverage.
Had a response to this, but I can see you refuse to think beyond your party lines.
When you resort to utter and complete bald face lies, there is no reasoning with you.
“SolDevVB” feels his oats –
“Riddle me this, does a politician in Kansas know what a Kansan (?) needs more than a politician in Washington?”
Too easy.
Since you’re talking about Kansans — have you looked out the window lately? — I’m pretty sure anyone working in government in Washington knows better that your run-of-the-mill Kansan. If only because they had to pass a competence test before they got the job.
Kansans, not so much.
I saw this on Human Events.
The Ten Commandments according to Obama
I. Thou shalt have no God in America, except for me. For we are no longer a Christian nation and, after all, I am the chosen One. (And like God, I do not have a birth certificate.)
II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, unless it is my face carved on Mt. Rushmore.
III. Thou shalt not utter my middle name in vain (or in public). Only I can say Barack Hussein Obama.
IV. Remember tax day, April 15th, to keep it holy.
V. Honour thy father and thy mother until they are too old and sick to care for. They will cost our public-funded health-care system too much money.
VI. Thou shalt not kill, unless you have an unwanted, unborn baby. For it would be an abomination to punish your daughter with a baby.
VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery if you are conservative or a Republican. Liberals and Democrats are hereby forgiven for all of their infidelity and immorality, but the careers of conservatives will be forever destroyed. SOURCE
VIII. Thou shalt not steal, until you’ve been elected to public office. Only then is it acceptable to take money from hard-working, successful citizens and give it to those who do not work, illegal immigrants, or those who do not have the motivation to better their own lives.
IX. Thou shalt not discriminate against thy neighbor unless they are conservative, Caucasian, or Christian.
X. Thou shalt not covet because it is simply unnecessary. I will place such a heavy tax burden on those that have achieved the American Dream that, by the end of my term as President, nobody will have any wealth or material goods left for you to covet.
Did he identify himself and was he acting belligerent?
Perhaps when two people are seen kicking in a door, there is reason for police officers to be concerned that a break-in is occurring.
I bet the Cambridge police will be a little bit slower in responding to Professor Gate’s home in the future. :)
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink
LJ–
“Your personal knowledge of criminals is impressive.”
Thank you. I will take that in the same light it was offered.
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink
LJ–
“Your personal knowledge of criminals is impressive.”
Thank you. I will take that in the same light it was offered.
Monkey,
You want to feel my WHAT?
Sorry, don’t swing that way.
If only because they had to pass a competence test before they got the job.
Which test did Obama have to pass?
Sadly, for many, all he had to be was “NOT GEORGE BUSH”
The Cambridge police issued an apology.
Hmmmm . . .
It’s cheaper than a lawsuit.
It’s cheaper than a lawsuit.
Think about that capn. And relate it to health care.
How many people day each month due to infections received at hospitals? You do know about the technology designed for NASA that would deeply cut those numbers right? Now, do you know why hospitals don’t incorporate the technology?
Or would you rather keep your head in your party’s rhetoric?
“It’s cheaper than a lawsuit.”
True, as many times, it’s cheaper to say you are wrong, that stand up for what is correct. Out of court settlements, which I have seen a number of, prove that every day.
The whole Gates Affair is bad cop work.
Once a guy proves to you it’s his own house, the cop’s thought process should change.
Yeah, it could be evidence of a nasty divorce in progress. Or some guy whose front door is stuck and the key isn’t working.
Figure it out, cop.
That’s what we pay you for.
Probably too often in my life I’ve seen good cops do good work in circumstances no one could make up. Two drunks fighting outside a bar; two people going through the divorce from hell; a free-spirited kid who decided to dance outside in the nude and was killed by Tasers….
Okay. That last one was good cops doing bad work.
Even when I’m pulled over and suspect I might blow a .081 if they wanted to test me, I tend to think cops want to do the right thing.
But the one time I got stopped at one of those Alcohol Traffic Road Stops and sassed the cop and ended up blowing an .041% (half the illegal .08) and spent the night and a day in county and another day in court… to get the charges dropped, I learned first hand there are bad cops who do bad work.
Gates got one of those guys.
I don’t care a whit which home run hitter or which linebacker is shooting up steroids.
But I do wonder about some cops I know.
“But the one time I got stopped at one of those Alcohol Traffic Road Stops and sassed the cop and ended up blowing an .041% (half the illegal .08) and spent the night and a day in county ”
On what charge? Were you a minor?
Were you between the ages of 18 and 21?
““They had a Harvard professor in handcuffs.” [CapN]
Yea, and in his own house, no less…”
This the first I have heard about being inside his own house, are you sure?
chas….charges are dropped all the time……………..in this case probably because of the publicity……….take your blinders off…….obama owes an apology………………AND i would HOPE he has more important things to do/……….
crapon and chazz think Harvard professors are above the law.
Did yo mama tell you dat?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates3.html
Gates yelled:
“No I will not”
” ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside”.
” you don’t know who you messing with”
capn……harvard professor in cuffs…..your point?
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donndublin
Posted July 23, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink
crapon and chazz think Harvard professors are above the law.
Did yo mama tell you dat?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates3.html
Gates yelled:
“No I will not”
” ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside”.
” you don’t know who you messing with”
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No doubt Professor Gates was getting ‘ethnic’ with the cops.
He played the ‘mama’ card.
The mayors of Hoboken, Secaucus, Ridgefield were among 44 people arrested in early morning raids across New Jersey this morning as federal officials unveiled a long-ranging probe into public corruption and international money laundering, officials said
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-Jersey-Scandal-Arrests-Corruption.html
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Do the “Feds” know who they are messing with?”
Which neighbor made the “There’s a black guy trying to break into a house.” phone call.
Start your racist bashing there and leave the police out of it.
wichhick
Posted July 23, 2009 at 12:40 pm | Permalink
capn……harvard professor in cuffs…..your point?
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Professors are above the law in the liberal mind set.
See also William Ayers.
monklicl…must have talked to obama to get the facts……….now on the other hand as he always states “facts” which we all love he is now also an expert on good and bad cops…..
last i heard only the black mayor had apologized,……..and maybe the black governor a……….and the black president………….where the heck is jesse, and al and?
“littlejohn” asks –
“On what charge? Were you a minor?”
No. And I could write 3,000 words on what happened that weekend.
Bottom line: It was a bad cop doing bad cop work.
Straight out of Kafka.
I came out of it still thinking cops are brave people doing a tough job and try to do the right thing.
But this guy wasn’t one of them anymore.
Part of the problem was the ol’ guy was close to retirement, so the prosecution kept asking for and getting delays… so I could pay my attorney more money.
And then he retired.
And then he testified at my trial.
And after he testified the charges were dismissed by the judge. No one else had to testify.
and the rascist card
munkdkkalot………i’m sure 3000 words of fact….are you an expert on why bj doesn’t work?
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littlejohn
Posted July 23, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink
“Since charges were dropped, I think that says something about the officer’s judgment…
”
Or the politics of the situaiton, since the PResident of the United States weighed in on how stupid the cops were acting, without even knowing all the facts (by his own admission)
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The charges were dropped before President Obama made his speech.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE56L1L520090722
could you write 3000 words on it………PLZ
“littlejohn” asks –
“On what charge? Were you a minor?”
No. And I could write 3,000 words on what happened that weekend.
Bottom line: It was a bad cop doing bad cop work.
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Bottom line, you still didn’t answer the main question. What was the charge that you were held in jail for?
Maybe it was bad police work, maybe it wasn;t. It does happen. In your case? You don’t supply any information other than you sassed a cop, you blew 0.41, and the charge was dismissed. Obviously, you were not held on dui charges, so the “sassing a cop” musthave been the provoking incident? What specifically was the charge?
I bet MonkeyHawk screamed “Don’t tase me bro!”
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littlejohn
Posted July 23, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink
“But the one time I got stopped at one of those Alcohol Traffic Road Stops and sassed the cop and ended up blowing an .041% (half the illegal .08) and spent the night and a day in county ”
On what charge? Were you a minor?
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LJ, chimpman probably yelled:
“No I will not… ya, I’ll speak with your mama outside…. you don’t know who you messing with”,
and probably didn’t read the report.
There were several onlookers who witnessed the incident including another police officer.
“The charges were dropped before President Obama made his speech.
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE56L1L520090722”
Doesn’t mean he didn;t make his presence known before hand.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg…ome&position=0
Some facts on that racist SOB. you can decide who “that” is for yourselves.
Officer in Henry Gates flap tried to save Reggie Lewis
Denies he’s a racist, won’t apologize
By Laurel J. Sweet, Marie Szaniszlo, Laura Crimaldi, Jessica Van Sack & Joe Dwinell
Thursday, July 23, 2009 – Updated 1h ago
The Cambridge cop prominent Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. claims is a racist gave a dying Reggie Lewis mouth-to-mouth resuscitation in a desperate bid to save the Celtics [team stats] superstar’s life 16 years ago Monday.
“I wasn’t working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn’t working on a black man. I was working on another human being,” Sgt. James Crowley, in an exclusive interview with the Herald, said of the forward’s fatal heart attack July 27, 1993, at age 27 during an off-season practice at Brandeis University, where Crowley was a campus police officer.
It’s a date Crowley still can recite by rote – and he still recalls the pain he suffered when people back then questioned whether he had done enough to save the black athlete.
“Some people were saying ‘There’s the guy who killed Reggie Lewis’ afterward. I was broken-hearted. I cried for many nights,” he said.
Crowley, 42, said he’s not a racist, despite how some have cast his actions in the Gates case. “Those who know me know I’m not,” he said.
Yesterday, Lewis’ widow, Donna Lewis, was floored to learn the embattled father of three on the thin blue line of a national debate on racism in America was the same man so determined to rescue her husband.
Charges are dropped on “important” people all the time. It is only WE THE PEOPLE who must abide by the laws.
ah…the worm turns…
Suddenly, the cop who gave CPR to a black man is now a racist because Professor Prima Dona Gates got his feathers ruffled.
Hell, I’ll probably end up writing 3,000 words anyway. But it’s interesting to see how the CONs in this forum jump on anything they can imagine to be red meat.
As it turns out, the one person who saw the whole traffic stop was sitting in the courtroom as a witness for the defense.
As I said, only one witness — the arresting cop — testified that day. And all charges were dropped.
Donn–
Cool it with the insults, will ya?
It’s a simple discussion. I don’t think anyone is above the law, especially, say, Dick “The Torturer” Cheney for example.
Gates probably was out of line and blew his top.
On the other hand, would he have been treated differently if he were white?
It’s impossible to say, but using past experience as a guide, it’s quite likely.
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BTW, aren’t some of you CONs the same folks who supported the Branch Davidians at the Waco Compound, you know, the ones who fired on federal agents with intent to kill?
munkwoo……i don’t care about your brush with the law……………….although it is not against the law to be he dkk, you admitted you were one (we already knew)…………obama owes an apology…………..period………..although it may be slowing him on bankruptying the country,,,,,,,,,,,he does have better things to do………
I think the Gates arrest was a case where the cops in question DID act stupidly, but so did Gates.
The cops should have backed off and apologized once they determined that Gates was actually in his own home, even if Gates was being confrontational. Gates should have stopped grandstanding as soon as it was clearly established that they had no cause to be there.
This was a messed up case where there was racial profiling (a black man trying to get into a house, and was called in by a woman who evidently did not recognize her neighbor) but also probably where a Harvard professor felt not only demeaned in his own home, but he may have been irked for not getting his proper deference as a Harvard professor by front line cops.
Both parties escalated, and both parties should have backed the he11 down. Now we have a side show.
little munk………and since you are an expert on cops…………with facts and all……….what would you do when faced with uncertainty………………you would be screaming the loudest (well maybe bj would)…………..if the police did not take precautions on somebody (maybe even you) was jimmmying the lock on the door to your house…….
Ford Posts 2Q Profit, Cash Burn Rate Slows
Oh HELL yeah. Go Ford go !!!
I read the policeman’s version of events at The Smoking Gun. Thanks, LJ, for the post.
Even assuming that it is 100 percent factual, all I saw was a lot of angry yelling by Gates.
The police can cuff you and arrest you for yelling now? When they walk into your house and harass you without a warrant?
Wow. Good thing they weren’t going to confiscate Prof. Gates’ guns!
Then the CON World would have set up a legal defense fund for Gates . . .
muk and all…………………go and start jimmmying the locks on your doors………
Obama Defends ‘Rush’ for Health Care Reform, Says ‘Stars Are Aligned’
President Obama tries to rally support for health care reform at his fourth prime-time press conference. But with momentum slowing considerably in the effort to reach a deal by the August recess, the president concedes that he wants to “do this right” and says he wouldn’t sign a bill that doesn’t achieve key objectives like reducing costs.
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Is anyone really buying this bullschit? If he “wanted it done right” why did he try to rush it thgough congress. Mot herfuc kerplease.
Agnatha–
Excellent post. You summed it up perfectly.
And sideshow is right. While we need to be talking about Afghanistan and Health Care, FoxRushO’Reilly is going to be all over the elitist black causing trouble.
capn…still waiting what does being a harvard law professor have to do with it………..
capn………and?
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink
The police can cuff you and arrest you for yelling now? When they walk into your house and harass you without a warrant?
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You mean walk into a house they were called to with what sounded like a burglary in progress?
“Knock knock. Excuse me sir, you wouldn’t have happened to have broken into this house would you as we were just called?”
The police can cuff you and arrest you for yelling now?
Why don’t you try it capn? Go out into the street and start yelling. When the police arive, start yelling at them too. Make sure you call them racists.
Best of luck to you. Dolt.
ag……….you need to go back to self excile…………….i don’t know the facts……..neither do you…………..obama owes an apology
Police were called to Gates’ home near Harvard University last week after a woman reported seeing two “black men with backpacks” trying to force open the front door to Gates’ house. The police report said Gates, who was returning from a trip to China and found his front door jammed, at first refused to provide an ID and became unruly.
Law enforcement sources tell ABC News that the conversation between Gates and Crowley was transmitted over Crowley’s open police radio and Gates can be heard yelling.
“Mr. Gates was given plenty of opportunities to stop what he was doing. He didn’t. He acted very irrational. He controlled the outcome of that event,” Crowley told WBZ.
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Obama was asked about the incident, to which he responded: “I don’t know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that.”
But Obama went on to say, “I think it’s fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry;
(not grateful the cops were responding to protecting your property?)
number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home;
(Gates was not arrested for burglary.)
and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That’s just a fact.”
(The incident has nothing to do with race.)
For someone who 1) Doesn’t know all the facts 2)admits to not being there 3) doesn’t know if race played a part – he sure had a lot to say.
Much like the healthcare debate.
It has to do with the fact that Henry Louis Gates is pretty well known nationally and one would assume locally.
If the cop is sent to Henry Louis Gates’ house, the least he could have done is googled a picture of the guy to see if the man in the house looked like Henry Louis Gates.
Would the cop have acted the same if the house had been owned by Miley Cyrus or Toby MacGuire?
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
Donn–
Cool it with the insults, will ya?
It’s a simple discussion. I don’t think anyone is above the law, especially, say, Dick “The Torturer” Cheney for example.
Gates probably was out of line and blew his top.
On the other hand, would he have been treated differently if he were white?
It’s impossible to say, but using past experience as a guide, it’s quite likely.
*****
BTW, aren’t some of you CONs the same folks who supported the Branch Davidians at the Waco Compound, you know, the ones who fired on federal agents with intent to kill?
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Why the deflection?
Gates obviously out of line, which is why he was handcuffed.
Judging by the “past experience as a guide”, in Kia’s 12:57 post, the officer would NOT have treated him differently if he were white.
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BTW, No I did not support the Branch Davidians which you try to divert to.
” While we need to be talking about Afghanistan and Health Care,”
Or maybe talking about Palin or Obama’s birth certificate?
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink
It has to do with the fact that Henry Louis Gates is pretty well known nationally and one would assume locally.
If the cop is sent to Henry Louis Gates’ house, the least he could have done is googled a picture of the guy to see if the man in the house looked like Henry Louis Gates.
Would the cop have acted the same if the house had been owned by Miley Cyrus or Toby MacGuire?
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You owe me a new computer. This has pop spit out all over it.
That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
CapnAmerica, if I gave you a street address, would you know who lives at the house?
Mayor of Wichita for instance?
is capn in the streets…………with monkey?………probably working on a 3000 word essay………..”its not my fault, i always give facts, that is why i’m liked, it’s bushes fault, i ran and hid again….. std moa)….”……repeat until we have 3000 words
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SolDevVB
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:23 pm | Permalink
The police can cuff you and arrest you for yelling now?
Why don’t you try it capn? Go out into the street and start yelling. When the police arive, start yelling at them too. Make sure you call them racists.
Best of luck to you. Dolt.
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He wasn’t in the street. Initially, he was inside his own home. Then he was on his front porch when he was arrested.
Best of luck to you. Dolt.
It was a yes or no question.
Apparently a gratutitous insult is a “yes.”
If I gave you a street address, would you know who lives at the house?
*****
If I were a policeman investigating a burglery, I think so, yes.
“If the cop is sent to Henry Louis Gates’ house, the least he could have done is googled a picture of the guy to see if the man in the house looked like Henry Louis Gates.”
Oh BS. THe least couldhave happened is Gates could have immediately proferred sone some of identification, with the address of the house on it.
Instead, Gates chose to CREATE a racial incident.
GOP Congressional Report Accuses ACORN of Political Corruption, Widespread Fraud
House Republicans issuing a report Thursday accusing ACORN of fraudulent activities and widespread corruption, concluding a criminal investigation into the advocacy group is needed
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And how much money is Obama giving them? Does he still trust them with the census?
Failure to Comply.
It’s a tazerable offense, I saw it on ‘Cops’ once.
Luckily in my youth the taser was not in service.
‘Failure to Comply’ resulted in a swift beating followed by hand cuffs and a comfy seat on the curb.
Professor got off lucky.
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:30 pm | Permalink
If I gave you a street address, would you know who lives at the house?
*****
If I were a policeman investigating a burglery, I think so, yes.
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I’d prefer the police go and try and stop a potential crime in progress.
Gates is problem is with his neighbor.
OK, with the google comment, you just might be that dense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disturbing_the_peace
capn……b/4 you recommend googling b/4 officers arrive at a potentioal crime in process…………….you better ask the expert…………monkey……….by the way the guy they caught on the gulf course today in wichita…….and found cocain and a weapon……………should they have googled tom watson or tiger woods?…………..but he was at a bar 1st………….maybe should have googled monkey
“GOP Congressional Report Accuses ACORN of Political Corruption, Widespread Fraud”
Two peas from the same pod (If you can’t win fairly – change the law to your favor):
ACORN Sues to Overturn Pennsylvania Voter-Soliciting Law
Pittsburgh (AP) – The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now and the American Civil Liberties Union have filed a federal lawsuit in Pittsburgh seeking to strike down a Pennsylvania law used to prosecute former voter-registration workers.
Wednesday’s lawsuit names Attorney General Tom Corbett and county District Attorney Stephen Zappala Jr. as defendants.
In May, Zappala charged five fired ACORN workers and two other people with collecting or submitting bogus forms so workers could meet an alleged daily quota. All seven defendants are awaiting trial.
ACORN officials have denied using quotas and say the state law penalizes them for using performance standards
Okay . . . well, if one’s past experience with police officers is getting hassled, then one is going to react differently.
Something like one-third of all black males spend time behind bars. No wonder they’re not always thrilled to see the boys in blue show up.
gulf course
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Hope he had his PFD..Personal Floatation Devise.
Maybe one-third shouldn’t break the law.
Something like one-third of all black males spend time behind bars. No wonder they’re not always thrilled to see the boys in blue show up.
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I would suggest they stop committing crimes.
Of couse in Scotland they call it GOF without the L as we do.
-Judge Smales
My point was, given a street name and address, it is not likely for anyone to know whom lives at that address.
Except maybe 1600 Pennslyvania Avenue
You gonna eat your fat?
-Spalding
“Okay . . . well, if one’s past experience with police officers is getting hassled, then one is going to react differently.
Something like one-third of all black males spend time behind bars. No wonder they’re not always thrilled to see the boys in blue show up”
Perhaps so. Please show where Professor Gates fits wither category. I will suspend any discussion on the rest of your statement
And does anyone know if “google is your friend” is part of law enforcement training for responding to reported crimes?
Perhaps if they know it’s American Ways’ house, they will not respond as quick as maybe CapnAmerica’s house?
Because we know that stuff like this never happens:
http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Video-Shows-Philly-Officer-Bullying-Woman/1$47632
Me, I was glad to show the cops my identication when they “caught” me trying to break into my own car. And the car registration once they used their slimjim to get me in. I was glad they did it. But, I don;t have a predisposition against cops, white or black, or any other color. And would Gates have responded differently if the cops had been black? and should that be okay?
Kia-Anti–
You guys like Caddy Shack?!
It’s my favorite movie, dudes.
Rodney Dangerfield was inspired in that one: (seeing a bunch of fox-trotting socialites) “lookee here, it’s the “Night of the Living Dead!”
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
Kia-Anti–
You guys like Caddy Shack?!
It’s my favorite movie, dudes.
Rodney Dangerfield was inspired in that one: (seeing a bunch of fox-trotting socialites) “lookee here, it’s the “Night of the Living Dead!”
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Common ground, very nice!
“You, you you’re no gentleman.”
“I ain’t no door knob either.”
You guys like Caddy Shack?!
It’s my favorite movie, dudes.
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Best. Movie. Ever….(at least for good comedy)
Myth: Taxes in Canada are extremely high, mostly because of national health care.
In actuality, taxes are nearly equal on both sides of the border. Overall, Canada’s taxes are slightly higher than those in the U.S. However, Canadians are afforded many benefits for their tax dollars, even beyond health care (e.g., tax credits, family allowance, cheaper higher education), so the end result is a wash. At the end of the day, the average after-tax income of Canadian workers is equal to about 82 percent of their gross pay. In the U.S., that average is 81.9 percent.
Myth: Canada’s health care system is a cumbersome bureaucracy.
The U.S. has the most bureaucratic health care system in the world. More than 31 percent of every dollar spent on health care in the U.S. goes to paperwork, overhead, CEO salaries, profits, etc. The provincial single-payer system in Canada operates with just a 1 percent overhead. Think about it. It is not necessary to spend a huge amount of money to decide who gets care and who doesn’t when everybody is covered.
Myth: The Canadian system is significantly more expensive than that of the U.S.
Ten percent of Canada’s GDP is spent on health care for 100 percent of the population. The U.S. spends 15-16 percent of its GDP but 15 percent of its population has no coverage whatsoever and millions of others have inadequate coverage. In essence, the U.S. system is considerably more expensive than Canada’s. Part of the reason for this is uninsured and underinsured people in the U.S. still get sick and eventually seek care. People who cannot afford care wait until advanced stages of an illness to see a doctor and then do so through emergency rooms, which cost considerably more than primary care services.
What the American taxpayer may not realize is that such care costs about $45 billion per year, and someone has to pay it. This is why insurance premiums increase every year for insured patients while co-pays and deductibles also rise rapidly.
Myth: Canada’s government decides who gets health care and when they get it.
While HMOs and other private medical insurers in the U.S. do indeed make such decisions, the only people in Canada to do so are physicians. In Canada, the government has absolutely no say in who gets care or how they get it. Medical decisions are left entirely up to doctors, as they should be.
There are no requirements for pre-authorization whatsoever. If your family doctor says you need an MRI, you get one. In the U.S., if an insurance administrator says you are not getting an MRI, you don’t get one no matter what your doctor thinks — unless, of course, you have the money to cover the cost.
Myth: There are long waits for care, which
compromise access to care.
There are no waits for urgent or primary care in Canada. There are reasonable waits for most specialists’ care, and much longer waits for elective surgery. Yes, there are those instances where a patient can wait up to a month for radiation therapy for breast cancer or prostate cancer, for example. However, the wait has nothing to do with money per se, but everything to do with the lack of radiation therapists. Despite such waits, however, it is noteworthy that Canada boasts lower incident and mortality rates than the U.S. for all cancers combined, according to the U.S. Cancer Statistics Working Group and the Canadian Cancer Society. Moreover, fewer Canadians (11.3 percent) than Americans (14.4 percent) admit unmet health care needs.
Myth: Canadians are paying out of pocket to come to the U.S. for medical care.
Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.
Myth: Canada is a socialized health care system in which the government runs hospitals and where doctors work for the government.
Princeton University health economist Uwe Reinhardt says single-payer systems are not “socialized medicine” but “social insurance” systems because doctors work in the private sector while their pay comes from a public source. Most physicians in Canada are self-employed. They are not employees of the government nor are they accountable to the government. Doctors are accountable to their patients only. More than 90 percent of physicians in Canada are paid on a fee-for-service basis. Claims are submitted to a single provincial health care plan for reimbursement, whereas in the U.S., claims are submitted to a multitude of insurance providers. Moreover, Canadian hospitals are controlled by private boards and/or regional health authorities rather than being part of or run by the government.
Myth: There aren’t enough doctors in Canada.
From a purely statistical standpoint, there are enough physicians in Canada to meet the health care needs of its people. But most doctors practice in large urban areas, leaving rural areas with bona fide shortages. This situation is no different than that being experienced in the U.S. Simply training and employing more doctors is not likely to have any significant impact on this specific problem. Whatever issues there are with having an adequate number of doctors in any one geographical area, they have nothing to do with the single-payer system.
Reading the police report it could have gone a lot worse. I assume it’s pretty close to the truth otherwise we would have already heard stories from Mr. Gates how the cops burst thru the door, guns drawn, screaming for him to get down on the floor.
Yeah, cops never get physically or verbally assaulted.
Never happens – right Capn?
The moral of this story is that when a police officer is on a scene, the police are in charge.
No ifs ands or buts – that’s the law.
A hostile person can and should be handcuffed if they fail to comply with the police person’s order.
End of story –
Except that the race card was played, once again.
“If the cop is sent to Henry Louis Gates’ house, the least he could have done is googled a picture of the guy to see if the man in the house looked like Henry Louis Gates.” – Capn
You can find a picture of the Capn if you google his name.
http://www.meetup.com/members/804262/
Another picture would be their mug shot.
Are you assuming Gates has a mug shot, capt?
“Regular
Posted July 23, 2009 at 11:57 am | Permalink
Perhaps when two people are seen kicking in a door, there is reason for police officers to be concerned that a break-in is occurring.
I bet the Cambridge police will be a little bit slower in responding to Professor Gate’s home in the future. :):
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Reg, the police RESPONSE isnt the issue… As soon as Dr. Gates identified himself as the owner of the house, it is no longer a police issue… THAT is the disturbing factor… I too have had something similar to this happen to me, in Missouri… I had locked myself out of my apartment… The Sheriff deputy came down the street — Asked me if there was a problem… I told him I left my keys in the apartment, and I was about to go in through the front window…. That was the end of the matter… In fact, the officer assisted me in getting the window open, so I could get in…
“Cinderella story . . . former greenskeeper now at Augusta. He’s gonna need a miracle here.” (Whack! the weed whacker comes down on a peony) “Oh man, he sure got out of that one.”
I notice that Brad has been on meetup.com since September 2003 and still has not friends.
I bet BJ would “meet up” with him.
Donn–
Okay, maybe not google per se.
But don’t police officers, when they’re investigating a potential break-in, have some notion of who lives there?
I don’t think that was necessary, donn.
Donn seems very “angry” these days.
Try jogging.
“As soon as Dr. Gates identified himself as the owner of the house, it is no longer a police issue… THAT is the disturbing factor… I too have had something similar to this happen to me, in Missouri… I had locked myself out of my apartment… The Sheriff deputy came down the street — Asked me if there was a problem… I told him I left my keys in the apartment, and I was about to go in through the front window…. That was the end of the matter… In fact, the officer assisted me in getting the window open, so I could get in…”
If he didn;t ask for your identification, he was remiss in his duties. Unless he knew your personally, and knew where you lived….personally
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
Donn–
Okay, maybe not google per se.
But don’t police officers, when they’re investigating a potential break-in, have some notion of who lives there?
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They have what is in their database and reverse directory.
One of my neighbors has a lot of parties. I doubt even he knows who is in his house at any given point in time. :D
Chas
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink
Reg, the police RESPONSE isnt the issue… As soon as Dr. Gates identified himself as the owner of the house, it is no longer a police issue… THAT is the disturbing factor… I too have had something similar to this happen to me, in Missouri… I had locked myself out of my apartment… The Sheriff deputy came down the street — Asked me if there was a problem… I told him I left my keys in the apartment, and I was about to go in through the front window…. That was the end of the matter… In fact, the officer assisted me in getting the window open, so I could get in…
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Apparently a PhD is not as smart as you Chas as his first reaction was “What for?”
Cod is thawed, time for the secret ingredients…
bbl
““If the cop is sent to Henry Louis Gates’ house, the least he could have done is googled a picture of the guy to see if the man in the house looked like Henry Louis Gates.” – Capn”
Not difficult for a police officer in Cambridge… Just pull up a picture directory of Harvard Faculty…. No real need to even use Google…
In May, Wichita geophysicist Dennis Hedke traveled to Arlington, Virginia to deliver testimony at a public hearing conducted by the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA. In June he delivered written testimony as part of the procedure for collecting public comment. You can read this document in its entirety at the end of this article. Here are some highlights.
Regarding the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, perhaps the main organization contributing to global warming alarmism, Hedke writes this:
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), as you know, actually has nothing whatsoever in place that would mimic actual “peer-reviewed” architecture. Instead, it operates in total vacuum, and when a real scientist actually raises a challenge, based on factual evidence, he or she is virtually shut out of the ongoing, ultimately published “findings.” … a multitude of highly regarded and internationally respected scientists have chosen to withdraw from the organization because they could no longer tolerate the ongoing wrongdoing that became ever so obvious
http://wichitaliberty.org/environment/global-warming-testimony-released/
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Dennis is a good friend of mine and he know’s what he’s talking about.
Studies are clear that black males (and Latinos) are stopped and searched more often than whites, but white’s similarly stopped are more likely to have contraband and be arrested.
Obviously something is not right… this is why profiling is such an issue. Americans have not found a way to discuss race relations in a productive manner.
Actually, my sympathies are more with the cop than the other way around, but then I’ve had nothing but good experiences with them.
Gates maybe not. It’s certain that he over-reacted. He may have been steamed off that his front door apparently wouldn’t open.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
Donn–
Okay, maybe not google per se.
But don’t police officers, when they’re investigating a potential break-in, have some notion of who lives there?
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Maybe Andy Griffin, sheriff of Mayberry did, but I doubt the officers in Cambridge know who lives in every house in town.
KIA — Since no charges were filed, I think this is now a non-story… Unless y’all want to keep ragging on it…. The professor was put in handcuffs…. Once identified, the officer had NO further business there… Maybe the officer should have gone across the street and informed the “nosey” neighbor, that she had turned in the home owner for gaining entry to his OWN home…. huh??? I would hope that the Cambridge P. D. would consider asking the officer to take part in some sort of PR class offered by the Department…
Is Dennis Hedke one of those “young earth” believers, Donn?
He never would express a position on the state science standards on evolution when he ran for school board.
Not difficult for a police officer in Cambridge… Just pull up a picture directory of Harvard Faculty…. No real need to even use Google..- chas
Yeah right, If an office finds someone in a house that a neighbors says was broken into, says to the man who’s yelling at him, you wait right here while I go google your picture.
When a suspected burglar is in a house, you don’t google to find out who the owner giving the suspect time to run out the back.
Get real.
Is Dennis Hedke one of those “young earth” believers, Donn?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 10:48 am
He thinks finding melted chocolate on a thermometer he sticks up his as$ is proof of AGW.
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 10:58 am
cosMo continues eating the chocolate off his rectal thermometer.
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donndublin,
You should try to learn the basics about climate science, instead of wasting of wasting your time fantasizing about things stuck up as$es
Capn,
I don’t know what happened, but it’s pretty clear that it ALL could have been handled better.
A point for the cop:
All he has to do is make one mistake and he’s a dead cop. Yes, Gates is well-known in his field. But I see no reason that the cop would have to know who he was. If Gates got belligerent, the cop did exactly the right thing. He didn’t beat him or tase him, he just subdued him. Nobody was hurt and we didn’t have to bury a dead cop.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
Is Dennis Hedke one of those “young earth” believers, Donn?
He never would express a position on the state science standards on evolution when he ran for school board.
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I don’t know if he does or not. I do know he is a Geophysicist.
Do you think you, as an English professor, are superior to Dennis when it comes to science?
“Maybe the officer should have gone across the street and informed the “nosey” neighbor, that she had turned in the home owner for gaining entry to his OWN home…. huh??? ”
Wow. Chas thinks that someone seeing a peson unfamiliar to them trying to force a door open is being a “nosey” neighbor. We need more “nosey” neighbors then, I think.
Petrochemicals, of course. . .
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=9309161
Donn–
You’ll note that I am not commenting on who you think I am, and I won’t in the future either.
He may be a geophysicist, but if he rejects a scientific view of age of the Earth for IMHO a misguided and willfully ridiculous reading of the book of Genesis, one could call into question the premise of his conclusions.
cosMo, You should try quit “wasting of wasting your time fantasizing about” being a climate scientist.
Cosmos–
Heh, yeah.
No conflict of interest there . . .
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Dennis is a good friend of mine and he know’s what he’s talking about.
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Tell your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend to publish his research in a credible peer-reviewed climate journal, and then ask the IPCC to include it in their next report.
Cops deal with the absolute worst of society sometimes. When you think a cop is too hard, please remember that. A cop doesn’t know who he’s about to face when he walks up to a car on a simple traffic stop. Any time a cop walks up to a car, it may be the last thing he ever does.
Wanna make a major difference in the results of a traffic stop?
Try this:
Do NOT step out of the car.
Make sure the cop can see BOTH of your hands. If it’s dark, turn on the dome light and keep BOTH hands in plain sight.
Do NOT reach for anything unless the cop tells you to. He’ll ask for registration and insurance when he’s in a position to see exactly what you’re doing…that’s the time to reach for the glove box.
Be friendly and polite. Cops don’t stop you unless they have a reason and they’re only doing their job.
It’s your responsibility not to make that job difficult.
If I get stopped, I do all of the above. Since I started responding this way, I haven’t gotten a single ticket.
What are your scientific credentials cosmos?
What climate related PhD do you hold?
Donn’s Friend Space (Top 0)
Donn has 0 friends.
You haven’t added any friends yet.
To start having fun on MySpace you need to invite some friends and get the ball rolling!
No conflict of interest here either
Al Gore and the green (as in dollar)economy
“http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=325899798635675
right. Nothing to see here. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 2:35 pm
cosMo, You should try quit “wasting of wasting your time fantasizing about” being a climate scientist.
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donndublin,
You should try to learn the basics about climate science, instead of wasting your time making false claims that I’ve claimed to be a “climate scientist”.
“Do NOT reach for anything unless the cop tells you to. He’ll ask for registration and insurance when he’s in a position to see exactly what you’re doing…that’s the time to reach for the glove box.”
GO one further. DO it before he gets up to the car, like when he pulls you over, hold them in both hands visible at the top of the steering wheel.
“And a few hundred thousand don’t pay near enough.”
Please define “near enough” as a pecentage of income and what level”
The pre Reagan tax tables would be a good start.
Tell your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend to publish his research in a credible peer-reviewed climate journal, and then ask the IPCC to include it in their next report.
Isn’t the head of the IPCC an economist?
Isn’t Hansen a criminal activist?
Hasn’t al-Gore made millions on the global warming farce?
Isn’t the IPCC staffed with political appointees roughly ~20% having “some dealing” with climate?
“wichhick” shares –
“…………….i don’t know the facts……….obama owes an apology….”
Perfect CON-speak there, “wichhick.”
“I don’t know the facts, but….”
And we’re supposed to take you seriously?
I don’t know the facts, but if we sent a bunch of Barbie Dolls to North Korea they’d all become Christians.
I don’t know the facts, but if we just sent more toasters to Rwanda they could all eat Pop Tarts!
I don’t know the facts, but if we extended congressional districts out to the 12-mile border, dolphins would dominate the United States Congress and we’d be better off.
I don’t know the facts, but if they’d just kept making 1953 Packards the American automobile industry wouldn’t be in trouble today.
I don’t know the facts, but we’d all be better off if they hadn’t come up with a polio vaccine.
I don’t know the facts, but forwarded e-mails with pictures of kittens are more popular than internet porn.
I don’t know the facts, but….
It’s the way CONs operate in this forum.
It is to laugh.
littlejohn,
Do you actually think that you’re refuting AGW science, by attacking one of the many “messengers”, and one of the policies needed to reduce GHG emissions?
Myth: US Congress is considering socialist Canadian Healthcare System
Not in either house of congress.
soldevvb posted July 23, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Tell your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend to publish his research in a credible peer-reviewed climate journal, and then ask the IPCC to include it in their next report.
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That’s the way to get scientific research included in the IPCC report.
Senate Bill:
All Americans must buy health insurance.
If available via work or via public plan – all Americans have to pay something.
If income is under $88K and four children, government will subsidize, but everyone has to pay something.
Family policy must cover children until age 26
This is choice?
The Associated Press claims that outgoing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be found guilty of violating her state’s ethics rules, citing a report leaked from the State Personnel Board on one of the 19 ethics complaints filed against her.
The governor may be counting down her final days in office, but she isn’t letting the accusations go unanswered. She’s even threatening to take some legal action of her own against the leakers.
According to the AP, the board will say she improperly used her public image to raise money for the legal defense fund created to fend off complaints made against her as an elected official. No punishment is expected for violating the rules; the board will only recommend that Mrs. Palin not take direct payments from the fund.
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From the WashTimes.
ouch
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Monkey rants about “I don’t know the facts”
Obama when asked about the Gates case:
“Well, I should say at the outset that Skip Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don’t know all the facts. “
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 12:11 am | Permalink
In the voice of Rodney King, “Why can’t we all just get along?”
Personal attacks seems to be the main form of entertainment for us old-time bloggers.
But one doesn’t see a lot of new post-ers, does one.
Nor does one see much of a lot of post-ers who used to be on all the time, people like StevenDavis, KSfrmgrrl, LindainKS, Apopis on the left and RightAngle, GSheridan, CindyDuckett, KSMedowlark on the right or VTolle (moderate). Even the Prices aren’t on like they used to be.
A non-stop insult-fest is not to most people’s tastes. And the blame should be placed exactly where it belongs–the non-moderated format of the WEBlog.
This blog is exactly what one expects it would be given almost zero oversight.
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“More Government Oversight”
Is there a Talking Point on the Demundround/DailyKos/Politico web sites telling everyone we need More Government Oversight for every aspect of our lives?
Just wondering.
I wonder who the Government will allow to post or not post on web sites. What content is allowed and not allowed?
Fairness Doctrine – Bring on the Censors!
“A” Solution btw, is to charge a nominal fee, say $10/month for WE Blog posting priviledges. God knows McClatchey can use all the revenue they can get.
That’s the way to get scientific research included in the IPCC report.
Isn’t the head of the IPCC an economist?
Isn’t Hansen a criminal activist?
Hasn’t al-Gore made millions on the global warming farce?
Isn’t the IPCC staffed with political appointees roughly ~20% having “some dealing” with climate?
cosmos_originally
Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink
littlejohn,
Do you actually think that you’re refuting AGW science, by attacking one of the many “messengers”, and one of the policies needed to reduce GHG emissions?
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Do you actually think I was refuting AGW science in that post. Perhaps you need to reread it. My comment was on the hypocrisy on the AGW side pointing out the Motive of those having a financial interest in opposing AGW, while adoring the likes of AL GORE, who stands to make tons off of AGW. COnflict of interest? Yoiu bet.
REfuting AGW. Didn;t say a peep one way or the other.
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Derf is Chas, look at his nic link.
http://www.dccc.org/blog
Damn Chas, you’re dumb and busted…AGAIN, GET IT!!!
And Capn these charges surprised you because….
Palin has been the media and the libs favorites target for months now. She made enemies within her own party when she took them to task for overspending when she became gov.
Now they are trying to tie something on her to tarnish any political aspirations she might have. And you are surprised because…..
The libs are so funny when it comes to Palin. The weaker Obama looks and he is looking pretty weak right now – the harder the libs jump on Palin. I personally think it just makes her stronger.
Junior should be showing up soon
““And a few hundred thousand don’t pay near enough.”
Please define “near enough” as a pecentage of income and what level.”
I like the pre Reagan tax tables.
I like the pre Kennedy tables even better.
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Dennis is a good friend of mine and he know’s what he’s talking about.
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Tell your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend to publish his research in a credible peer-reviewed climate journal, and then ask the IPCC to include it in their next report.
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cosMo,
The IPCC does not publish any reports that refute AGW. They censor them, cover them up and lie about them. Go ask Dr. Miskolczi, the other climate scientists and peer reviewers who resigned from the IPCC.
And your “BS” is in what???
Regular
Posted July 23, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink
Junior should be showing up soon
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Damn, you’re good!
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donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 3:07 pm
The IPCC does not publish any reports that refute AGW.
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Because there aren’t any reports that refute AGW.
“ANTI” to “Regular” –
“Damn, you’re good!”
Get a room, you two.
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 3:07 pm
The IPCC does not publish any reports that refute AGW.
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Because there aren’t any reports that refute AGW.
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How about a wager by the IPCC?
Let’s see them predict the exact temperature in 2015, 2020, 2025, 2030 without an iota of deviation.
Let’s say, $1,000,000 dollars for each tenth of a degree they are off the mark.
More ethics charges are GOOD for Palin. At least she’s not a quitter!
CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:20 pm And sideshow is right. While we need to be talking about Afghanistan and Health Care, FoxRushO’Reilly is going to be all over the elitist black causing trouble.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink
The Associated Press claims that outgoing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be found guilty of violating her state’s ethics rules, citing a report leaked from the State Personnel Board on one of the 19 ethics complaints filed against her.
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So why are we talking about Palin?
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink
Derf is Chas, look at his nic link.
http://www.dccc.org/blog
Damn Chas, you’re dumb and busted…AGAIN, GET IT!!!
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It might be capn. He has a Democratic link on his meetup.com page.
BTW: I don’t have a Myspace page. I have one on Myspace and I have several friends on there.
“‘I Am Very Worried About Federal Spending,’ Obama says.”
HA! HO-HO-HO! LMFAO!
That is funny.
Did everyone step back in case lightning struck?
Since Roberts gets nearly 1/3 of his campaign donations from the insurance/health industry, I’m going to speculate he’s against this reform!
Campaign Contributions.
“Finance/Insur/RealEst $954,242 18.1 %
Health $686,099 13.0 %
correction; I have a facebook page.
Guess Finance ind. and Real Estate is in there too. Still must be getting paid pretty good.
DavidB and Derf have a link to the same web page.
http://recovery.gov/
Both back to back, btw…
Former AMA Head Warns of ‘Disaster in the Details’ of Obama Health Overhaul
Thursday, July 23, 2009
“The former president of the American Medical Association, Dr. Donald Palmisano, a surgeon, warned that if the Obama administration did not slow down on its drive for a government-led health care overhaul, the treatment choices available to patients would be undercut.”
Obama & Congress doesn’t care what doctors think, or the Mayo Clinic thinks.
They’d rather blame republicans for delaying the ramrod healthcare bill.
Here’s his Health Contributions for 08 broken out by itself:
Health Professionals $322,200
Where else but America can you buy a kidney from your local Rabbi?
Beats dying from a lack of an organ, like someone posted the other day.
“Since Roberts gets nearly 1/3 of his campaign donations from the insurance/health industry, I’m going to speculate he’s against this reform!
Campaign Contributions.”
I would imagine the democrat running the senate healthcare show is too:
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 21, 2009
As liberal protesters marched outside, Sen. Max Baucus sat down inside a San Francisco mansion for a dinner of chicken cordon bleu and a
discussion of landmark health-care legislation under consideration by his Senate Finance Committee.
At the table on May 26 were about 20 donors willing to fork over $10,000 or more to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, including executives of major insurance companies, hospitals and other health-care
firms.
“Most people there had an agenda; they wanted the ear of a senator, and they got it,” said Aaron Roland, a San Francisco health-care activist who paid half price to attend the gathering. “Money gets you in the door. The only thing the other side can do is march around and protest
outside.”
As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus’s political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year’s reform debate.
Many former Baucus staff members, including two chiefs of staff, lobby on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry and other health-care players and have been closely involved in negotiations on the legislation.
But Baucus, a senator from a sparsely populated and conservative Western state who is serving his sixth term, stands out for the rising tide of
health-care contributions to his campaign committee, Friends of Max Baucus, and his political-action committee, Glacier PAC. Baucus collected $3 million from the health and insurance sectors from 2003 to 2008, about 20 percent of the total, data show. Less than 10 percent of the money came from Montana.”
Examples from Baucus’s Glacier PAC include $5,000 from the Independent Insurance Agents and Brokers of America and $2,500 from lobbyists with
U.S. Strategies, which represents numerous health-care firms. Overall, half of the $110,000 in donations to the PAC from April to June came
from health-care firms and lobbyists, including Schering-Plough, Medtronic and New York Life.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/20/AR200907
2003363.html?hpid=topnews
Yo Siento mucho.
Taco Bell Chihuahua Dies at 15
“Gidget the Chihuahua, the bug-eyed, big-eared star of 1990s Taco Bell commercials who was a diva on and off the screen, has died. She was 15. Gidget suffered a massive stroke late Tuesday night at her trainer’s home….”(AP)
This is what democrats do to silence dissent:
DeMint Warns South Carolina TV Stations That Democrats’ New Attack Ad Is ‘Factually Untrue’
Thursday, July 23, 2009
(CNSNews.com) – Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) says his attorney is letting South Carolina television stations know about “factually untrue” statements in a new political attack ad released by Democrats.
DeMint’s attorney is reminding those TV stations that FCC regulations do not permit broadcasters to air false advertising by groups such as the Democratic National Committee.
Here ya go: Government prioritizing healthcare services. For those who brag about socialized UK medicine:
The flu service is not covering the rest of the UK as Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have all experienced much less demand.
They will be able to plug into it if they need to, although experts have said Scotland appears to be over the worst of this phase with 1,200 new cases reported in the past week.
Dr Richard Vautrey, of the British Medical Association, which has helped to design the checklist being used by the flu service, said: “What we have to remember is that this is a unique situation.
“Some GP practices are receiving hundreds of calls a day and we have to prioritise so we can see the most seriously ill.
“So as long as the call handlers get the correct training we can be confident in this service.”
donndublin,
What climate research has your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend done?
As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus’s political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year’s reform debate.
All too true, AmWay.
This DINO and the other bluedog Conservative Dems are more obstructionist than the Republicans.
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
donndublin,
What climate research has your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend done?
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Why don’t you try reading the 49 page report he presented before the Environmental Protection Agency.
http://wichitaliberty.org/environment/global-warming-testimony-released/
I’d try asking you to refute it but we all know it’s way over your head. All you have is a personal attack.
BTW: Can find where Dennis committed fraud like, your geophysicist comrade, Micheal Mann has with his “hockey stick graph”?
How much of the $79 billion from taxpayers or $127 billion from carbon trading has Mann received?
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
This is what democrats do to silence dissent:
DeMint Warns South Carolina TV Stations That Democrats’ New Attack Ad Is ‘Factually Untrue’
Thursday, July 23, 2009
(CNSNews.com) – Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) says his attorney is letting South Carolina television stations know about “factually untrue” statements in a new political attack ad released by Democrats.
DeMint’s attorney is reminding those TV stations that FCC regulations do not permit broadcasters to air false advertising by groups such as the Democratic National Committee.
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Where else in the world is this done? China, Cuba, former USSR. The have much in common with these countries.
The DIMS have much in common with these countries.
AmWay and Donn–
Explain to me how the RepubliCON Senator siccing the FCC on a paid-for Democratic ad makes the Democrats like Cuba.
I’m not following that. Seems to me, it’s more like Senator DeMint, Republicon who’s more like Cuba.
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm
BTW: Can find where Dennis committed fraud like, your geophysicist comrade, Micheal Mann has with his “hockey stick graph”?
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donndublin accuses Dr. Mann, et al, and basically all of the other scientists involved with other reconstructions that all have characteristics similar to MBH98, of committing “fraud“.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html
Is donndublin’s petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend, Dennis Hedke, proud of donndublin’s attacks?
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
donndublin,
What climate research has your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend done?
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Why don’t you try reading the 49 page report he presented before the Environmental Protection Agency.
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Instead of wasting my time, I’ll assume that it’s more baseless attacks, like the M & M one.
And I guess that I should also assume that your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend, Dennis Hedke, has personally done zero climate research?
” Seems to me, it’s more like Senator DeMint, Republicon who’s more like Cuba.”
I can see how you’d come to that conclusion. Threats are threats, right?
Please read the article. The Republican Senator is warning the broadcaster of – is false advertisement.
(That false message I think is that Demint does not even have or follow a healthcare plan.)
Demint is not objecting to the democrats advertisement about Demints email about Waterloo and working politically against Obama.
That is fair play.
Dirty, but fair.
Here’s a bright spot:
Hyundai Motor’s Second-Quarter Profit Rises 48 Percent
Thursday, July 23, 2009
By Kelly Olsen, Associated Press
Seoul, South Korea (AP) – Hyundai Motor Co. said second-quarter net profit rose 48 percent to a record high as robust sales in China and India helped it ride out the global auto slump
Here, btw, is Mr. Gates’s account of what happened:
Professor Gates attempted to enter his front door, but the door was damaged. Professor Gates then entered his rear door with his key, turned off his alarm, and again attempted to open the front door. With the help of his driver they were able to force the front door open, and then the driver carried Professor Gates’ luggage into his home.
Professor Gates immediately called the Harvard Real Estate office to report the damage to his door and requested that it be repaired. As he was talking to the Harvard Real Estate office on his portable phone in his house, he observed a uniformed officer on his front porch. When Professor Gates opened the door, the officer immediately asked him to step outside. Professor Gates remained inside his home and asked the officer why he was there. The officer indicated that he was responding to a 911 call about a breaking and entering in progress at this address. Professor Gates informed the officer that he lived there and was a faculty member at Harvard University. The officer then asked Professor Gates whether he could prove that he lived there and taught at Harvard. Professor Gates said that he could, and turned to walk into his kitchen, where he had left his wallet. The officer followed him. Professor Gates handed both his Harvard University identification and his valid Massachusetts driver’s license to the officer. Both include Professor Gates’ photograph, and the license includes his address.
Professor Gates then asked the police officer if he would give him his name and his badge number. He made this request several times. The officer did not produce any identification nor did he respond to Professor Gates’ request for this information. After an additional request by Professor Gates for the officer’s name and badge number, the officer then turned and left the kitchen of Professor Gates’ home without ever acknowledging who he was or if there were charges against Professor Gates. As Professor Gates followed the officer to his own front door, he was astonished to see several police officers gathered on his front porch. Professor Gates asked the officer’s colleagues for his name and badge number. As Professor Gates stepped onto his front porch, the officer who had been inside and who had examined his identification, said to him, “Thank you for accommodating my earlier request,” and then placed Professor Gates under arrest. He was handcuffed on his own front porch.
So, what the heck was he arrested for?
So, what the heck was he arrested for?
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Disorderly Conduct, I believe.
Yeah I’m sure Gates provide all that in a calm manner.
Heh heh
I see no disorderly conduct in the account above. What IS apparent is a guy confronted by police IN his own home for reasons he has no knowledge of. I wouldn’t have let the officer in myself. Gates seems accommodating as he could have been expected to be.
Given this information only, I have to call the officer out of line.
Damned cop gave me a ticket on my 18th birthday.
I hoped he’d cut me a break, seeing as it was my birthday.
“The law doesn’t take holidays sir.”
So I asked him if anybody back at headquarters had a personality.
I guess I’m lucky I wasn’t arrested for disorderly conduct?
Arrest Report of Gates
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Gates_Arrest.pdf
Also, the news story and what appears to be Gates yelling at a Black police officer.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/police-officer-obama-butt-arrest/
heh heh
Must have been racism?
Crowley told the radio station that he asked Gates to step outside because he didn’t know who Gates was, and he was alone and didn’t know if his safety was compromised.
“I had no other motive than to ensure my safety, or he could’ve been the homeowner who was unaware that there were people in his house unauthorized. I just didn’t know,” Crowley said.
That would make sense.
IF he didn’t then follow Gates into the house.
Misunderstandings on both sides. I think the police should err on the side of NOT arresting people. I think the officer here is one of those “respect my authority!” cops.
But BlueJay, several witnesses, not cops, saw Gates making a disturbance yelling and appearing highly agitated.
Are they lying as well?
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 4:08 pm | Permalink
donndublin,
What climate research has your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend done?
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Why don’t you try reading the 49 page report he presented before the Environmental Protection Agency.
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Instead of wasting my time, I’ll assume that it’s more baseless attacks, like the M & M one.
And I guess that I should also assume that your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend, Dennis Hedke, has personally done zero climate research?
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cosMo, Puts his hands over his ears and sings la la la la.
At least Dennis is not a fraud your geophysicist (fraud) Mann.
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“The charge against Gates was dropped on Tuesday. The police department issued a statement saying the incident “was regrettable and unfortunate” ”
In other words, it was handled stupidly. It doesn’t help that the arresting officer and the professor both seem to have personality issues. Still, I gotta err on the side of the resident or homeowner.
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Permalink
“The charge against Gates was dropped on Tuesday. The police department issued a statement saying the incident “was regrettable and unfortunate” ”
In other words, it was handled stupidly. It doesn’t help that the arresting officer and the professor both seem to have personality issues. Still, I gotta err on the side of the resident or homeowner.
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I didn’t read anywhere that the case was handled ’stupidly.’
It probably was a bow from the Cambridge police department to keep civil order amongst the politically correct.
If the event happened to anyone else, nothing would have become of it.
It’s a comedy of errors starring two people caught in a moment. If he were a different sort of person, Gates could laugh about this some day as the bad day that got worse.
I don’t think that sort of humor is in Gates. And he probably has legitimate reasons for that.
For his part, Officer Crowley seems totally unable to stand in someone else’s shoes. I don’t think he is a racist but I DO think he’s too self absorbed to be a good cop.
For his part, Officer Crowley seems totally unable to stand in someone else’s shoes. I don’t think he is a racist but I DO think he’s too self absorbed to be a good cop.
So your faulting Officer Crowley for being a professional.
interesting…
He was FAR from “professional”.
“But people who know Crowley were skeptical or outright dismissive of allegations of racism. A prominent defense lawyer, a neighbor of Crowley’s, his union, and fellow officers described him yesterday as a respected, and respectful, officer who performs his job well and has led his colleagues in diversity training.”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/23/officer_at_eye_of_storm_says_he_wont_apologize/?page=1
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
He was FAR from “professional”.
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Oh, I see.
You were there at the scene and have a different version from the civilian witnesses?
“Crowley, however, has refused to apologize, and he told the radio station he did nothing wrong. He added he was surprised that a man as educated as Gates would start yelling epithets about Crowley’s mom, part of the incident that never made it into the police report. ..break..
In other words, he may be making the last bit up.
“That apology will never come. It won’t come from me as Jim Crowley. It won’t come from me as a sergeant in the police department,” Crowley told WEEI.
But his department DID apologize. And most would conclude that Crowley DID overreact.
“He’s evenhanded and, in the cases I’ve had with him, he’s been very much in control and very professional,’’ said Joseph W. Monahan III, a criminal defense lawyer in Cambridge and former Middlesex County prosecutor. Monahan has represented several defendants arrested by Crowley for domestic assaults and for drunken driving.
Crowley’s police union issued a statement saying it had reviewed the arrest of Gates and expressed “full and unqualified support’’ for his actions.
“Sergeant Crowley is a highly respected veteran supervisor with a distinguished record in the Cambridge Police Department,’’ said the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association. “His actions at the scene of this matter were consistent with his training, with the informed policies and practices of the Department, and with applicable legal standards.’’
The city’s Police Review and Advisory Board, which is independent of the Police Department, has set a meeting July 29 to decide whether to launch a formal inquiry into the incident, according to board investigator Joseph Johnson. He said Gates had not filed a complaint with the board and that no one has filed a complaint against Crowley in the last 12 months.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/23/officer_at_eye_of_storm_says_he_wont_apologize/?page=2
But his department DID apologize. And most would conclude that Crowley DID overreact.
No, I conclude that Gates who is making a documentary on Racial Profiling wants to get in the news for the publicity.
Of course we all know, that politically motivated Professors never display an attitude towards authority or those outside their sphere.
(wink, wink)
“No, I conclude that Gates who is making a documentary on Racial Profiling wants to get in the news for the publicity.”
“The city’s Police Review and Advisory Board, which is independent of the Police Department, has set a meeting July 29 to decide whether to launch a formal inquiry into the incident, according to board investigator Joseph Johnson.
He said Gates had not filed a complaint with the board”
A citizen in his home having a bad day and a cop who didn’t make much effort at understanding and aint a bit sorry about it.
We know who Gates was refering to when he said; “You don’t know who you are messing with”.
He was referring to “The One”.
““No, I conclude that Gates who is making a documentary on Racial Profiling wants to get in the news for the publicity.”
Uh huh. So he planned the whole train wreck or is just real quick thinking on his feet while he’s having a bad day?
He wasn’t throwing things or threatening anyone. Is he overreacting yes. Is there an element to it that wouldn’t be there but for the racial history in this country yes.
Did the officer need to arrest AND handcuff him?
No.
A police officer is NOT supposed to escalate the situation.
He wasn’t throwing things or threatening anyone. Is he overreacting yes. Is there an element to it that wouldn’t be there but for the racial history in this country yes.
I guarantee if you or anyone else ‘over reacts’ by yelling when police are around in an investigation, you will find yourself in cuffs.
And the police will find themselves slapped with a wrongful prosecution law suit. If it happened to me.
What is more, he had already proved he was in his own home. The officer was out of line.
“And most would conclude that Crowley DID overreact.”
Most? Too funny. Bluejay is joining Obama as to be the two people to become “most”.
Neither was there.
Neither knows the details.
Neither has read the police report.
Neither have heard the tape recording (forthcoming).
But both are able to draw conclusions on racism.
I can understand Jay doing this – but the president?
But I guess Obama is known best for making decisions without all the facts – and leaping to conclusions.
Best correct yourself “American way”.
I already said I don’t believe the officer was racially motivated. He just overreacted.
Professor Gates was influenced by racial history. But I will not dismiss out of hand that he has good reason for this.
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 7:27 pm | Permalink
And the police will find themselves slapped with a wrongful prosecution law suit. If it happened to me.
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Good luck with that – you have to show harm and have to show motivation that the officers wrongfully arrested you.
Then you have to confront the witnesses who have their version of the story.
The Professor of African American Studies was looking for attention, and he got it.
Charges were likely dropped because of the token, “I have connections and I’m Black, you racist!” BTW, this attitude was documented by all accounts.
End of Story, just another loud mouth race hustler…Again.
Charges were likely dropped because Gates didn’t do anything wrong.
“The Professor of African American Studies was looking for attention, and he got it. ”
Unless and until Gates actions it further, that would seem to be at odds with the facts. I hope he doesn’t. But the poor attitude of the arresting officer does nothing to help.
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Posted July 23, 2009 at 7:44 pm | Permalink
“The Professor of African American Studies was looking for attention, and he got it. ”
Unless and until Gates actions it further, that would seem to be at odds with the facts. I hope he doesn’t. But the poor attitude of the arresting officer does nothing to help.
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Poor attitude?
Again BlueJay, were you at the scene?
Or Rev. Sharpton, your choice, pick a devil.
So we’re back to he planned the whole thing or he is just real quick on his feet while he’s having a bad day?
If he actions it further, you’ve got an argument.
For his part, the cop needs to either apologize or refuse to comment further.
“ANTI” offers –
“Charges were likely dropped because…”You misspelled –
“I’m just making this up, but….”
I can read the officer’s comments after the fact. He CONTINUES to escalate the situation. He makes allegations that are not contained in the police report.
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BlueJay
Posted July 23, 2009 at 7:48 pm | Permalink
So we’re back to he planned the whole thing or he is just real quick on his feet while he’s having a bad day?
If he actions it further, you’ve got an argument.
For his part, the cop needs to either apologize or refuse to comment further.
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Take the officer’s words up with his Police Union. :)
You’ve got two humorless personalities ramping up the situation and a media that would just LOVE for it to escalate into an ongoing story.
That all could have been prevented. It still can be.
“ANTI” –
You got a link to the supposed quote you just posted?
Nope.
You are just making it up.
Monkeyhawk — ANTI just doesnt give a damn, because he knows nobody can stop him…
I dunno, “Chas” –
“ANTI” seems to be peculiarly incoherent today. Even for “ANTI.”
Maybe the neighborhood kids actually stopped playing on his lawn and he’s been left with no outlet for his insane venting.
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm
At least Dennis is not a fraud your geophysicist (fraud) Mann.
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donndublin can’t even construct a sentence.
donndublin seems to have wasted too much of his time fantasizing about sticking thermometers up as$es.
LOL Monkey!!
Got a call from one of Huckabee’s kid’s. “To chat.”
It was just a call to help me understand HuckPac is going strong and don’t believe all those stories about layoff’s and funding problem;s.
I said I wasn’t aware of HuckPac’s layoff’s and funding problem’s.
So I got ten minutes or so about HuckPack’s layoff’s and funding problem’s.
Then I got asked for money.
“Kansas_Heffalump” –
Which of Huchabee’s “kid’s” called you?
The Dog-Lyncher or the Kitten-Stabber?
ANTI just doesnt give a damn, because he knows nobody can stop him…
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Chas is right for once!
Well, peace out.
Monkeyhawk has been especially entertaining to us intellectuals. We laugh at his simple mind.
What I didn’t see mentioned here is the role of police in dealing with dangerous situations, and protecting themselves and others from harm.
Cops get a call reporting a burglary in progress.
Cops arrive at the scene and find a man matching the description given.
White, Black, Yellow, Red, Pink, Orange, whatever, doesn’t matter at that point. Cops have a suspect matching the description the neighbor called in. They must take reasonable steps every day, even with routine traffic stops, to protect their safety, and that of others.
Asking for the man’s identification and explanation is not unreasonable in this case.
If I break in to my own house and the cops arrive, I’d have no problem giving them my ID to prove I lived there.
Then, I’d THANK my neighbor for calling in the report.
But not in this case. Gates saw an opportunity to exploit, for his own gain.
The cop was doing his job. And if Gates were white, the charges for disorderly conduct, would they still have been dropped?
Sad/Funny Story:
A woman suffering from a rare hormonal disorder stands 6-feet, 6-inches, weighs 476 pounds and is still growing, the Daily Mail reports.
Tanya ANGUS is believed to be one of the tallest and heaviest women on the planet and doctors say her condition cannot be stopped by medication.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534506,00.html?test=latestnews
Ya know, with a name like Angus….
JimJohnson
Posted July 23, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink
Sad/Funny Story:
A woman suffering from a rare hormonal disorder stands 6-feet, 6-inches, weighs 476 pounds and is still growing, the Daily Mail reports.
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Slow poke
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-723-3/comment-page-7/#comment-623606
Clinton is Funny Too…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/obamas-assertion-public-current-health-insrance-plans-raises-questions/
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton suggested Thursday she’s holding out hope that North Korea will rejoin nuclear disarmament talks, even as the country’s foreign ministry descended into low-brow name-calling — describing Clinton as a “primary schoolgirl” and calling her unintelligent.
North Korean representatives also said the so-called six-party talks are “over” and “dead,” and rejected as “nonsense” the United States’ plan to offer the country new incentives.
The war of words was just the latest sign of the trouble the United States is having in bringing the communist regime back to the negotiating table. The tit-for-tat apparently started when Clinton earlier compared the regime to “small children” demanding attention.
North Korea’s foreign ministry fired back, calling Clinton a “funny lady” who sometimes “looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping.” The ministry was quoted as calling her remarks “vulgar” and saying “she is by no means intelligent.”
The spat didn’t stop there.
State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley on Thursday addressed the put-downs one-by-one.
“What is vulgar is that the North Korean government chooses to harvest missiles rather than enough food for its people. And what is unintelligent is the path that the North Korean government has chosen. It’s a dead end, which dooms the North Korean people to a dismal future,” he said.
(Good God Obama, break her other arm now!)
Oh heck Regular, you win!
(Bet JR would have a chance with that one! He just needs to wear RED.)
donndublin
Posted July 23, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Permalink
We know who Gates was refering to when he said; “You don’t know who you are messing with”.
He was referring to “The One”.
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More blog evidence that donndublin is one of the chief racists posting on this Blog…
Just think… in some other countries, Donn would be in jail by now… In some other countries, racial slurs are ILLEGAL…
God Bless America… Donn can post any old racial slur he wants… because he can…
Sometimes, that is just shameful…
Good Night!!
From the Rude Pundit –
7/23/2009
In Brief: What If Henry Louis Gates Had Had a Gun?:
Sitting in an airport, early morning, listening to a replay of Barack Obama’s funny, angry, self-aware words on the arrest of Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (the only bright spot in a pretty damn useless press conference), the Rude Pundit pondered not just the obvious question of “what-if-Gates-was-white,” but a more intense one: what if Gates had had a gun? Go with this for just a second before it’s time to board. Go beyond the also obvious “Well, he’d've been shot by the cops.”
Instead, think like a gun-owning white guy who thinks that the government is trying to take away his guns and that a revolution is coming (and if you are that white guy, the Rude Pundit says, “Dude, get laid.”). That ain’t a fantasy person. It’s the godd@mned audience for much of the right-wing rhetoric these days. Now, think, if Gates had been armed, in his home, after having proven it was his home, what if he had threatened to shoot the cops for now engaging in a home invasion? Would he have been justified? Of course not. We in the rational world know this.
But now push it further: would those very real white guys have come to his defense? Or would they have rallied behind Gates only if he was white like them?
Wouldn’t you know? A petty thief sides against the police.
Go figure
Chas plays the racial card because he can and because he has no logic.
Chas
Posted July 23, 2009 at 11:28 pm | Permalink
donndublin
Posted July 23, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Permalink
We know who Gates was refering to when he said; “You don’t know who you are messing with”.
He was referring to “The One”.
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More blog evidence that donndublin is one of the chief racists posting on this Blog…
Just think… in some other countries, Donn would be in jail by now… In some other countries, racial slurs are ILLEGAL…
God Bless America… Donn can post any old racial slur he wants… because he can…
Sometimes, that is just shameful…
Good Night!!
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chas, where do you get “racists” out of my comment?
Is the “The One”,(Obama), suppose to be racist?
The point is, since Obama was also a Harvard prof, he most likely knew Gates. Gates thought that since he personally knew Obama, he was above reproach.
cosmos_originally
Posted July 23, 2009 at 8:30 pm | Permalink
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm
At least Dennis is not a fraud your geophysicist (fraud) Mann.
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donndublin can’t even construct a sentence.
cosmos_originally
Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Permalink
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 10:48 am
He thinks finding melted chocolate on a thermometer he sticks up his as$ is proof of AGW.
donndublin,
You should try to learn the basics about climate science, instead of wasting of wasting your time fantasizing about things stuck up as$es
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Look who’s talking. He only corrected it after I pointed it out to him.
cosMo continues to reflect, distract and divert because he has no credentials in science.
donndublin posted July 24, 2009 at 8:50 am
He only corrected it after I pointed it out to him.
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Who corrected what, after you “pointed it out to him”?
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:46 pm | Permalink
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 2:35 pm
cosMo, You should try quit “wasting of wasting your time fantasizing about” being a climate scientist.
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donndublin,
You should try to learn the basics about climate science, instead of wasting your time making false claims that I’ve claimed to be a “climate scientist”.
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cosMo, do you not know what the quotation marks (” “) mean or are you, like most pollitians, a liar?
donndublin,
So I’m supposed to keep repeating a typo I made earlier, after I noticed that I made that typo? Where is that rule written?
So now you admit that I point it out to you first.
Fine
I was just pointing out your hypocrisy.
donndublin,
Has your petrochemical geophysicist (BS degree) friend, Dennis Hedke, made any public comments about the other “hockey sticks” that are similar to the Dr. Mann et al reconstructions?
Such as Moberg et al. 2005, Osborn and Briffa 2006, and the others graphed and linked at,
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html
donndublin posted July 23, 2009 at 4:52 pm
BTW: Can find where Dennis committed fraud like, your geophysicist comrade, Micheal Mann has with his “hockey stick graph”?
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donndublin,
What “fraud” do you claim that Dr. Mann committed?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/michael-mann/
donndublin,
Do you have a link to your friend Dennis’ CV?
http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/cv/cv.html