Open thread 7/22

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256 Comments

  1. JWink
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    No need to rush out to look for the eclipse of the Sun today by an overlapping Moon. It won’t be visible here in Wichita. Eclipse’s of the Sun only occur when we have a “new moon” or better “no” moon which is the case today. Eclipse’s of the Moon, that is when the Earth’s shadow falls on the face of the Moon only occur when the Moon is full.

    The reason eclipses don’t occur every time we have a full moon or new (no) moon is the Moon, Sun and Earth are generally not perfectly aligned. And the alignment doesn’t last long as is the case today when the eclipse of the Sun was only visible during the last few hours on the Asian side of the earth.

    But there will be others.

  2. sekanblogger
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    When I worked in shops where there’s welding I always grabbed a welding hood, or even just the dark shield glass and watched it.
    I remember being worried about the boss catching me, however when I went to watch, the boss was already there. He handed me his welding hood and said don’t be too long!

  3. Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Seen on the back of a Blazer in Sarasota FL.

    “You don’t see Obama stickers on cars going to WORK

  4. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    On this date, Jul 22nd, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas

    High: 107 °F (2001)
    Low: 53 °F (1970)

  5. Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-721-3/#comment-622932

    cosmos_originally
    Posted July 21, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink
    soldevvb,

    It’s not my fault that you didn’t even read your own source.

    ________________________________________________________

    So then yes, cosmo got her panties in a wad because I didn’t attribute that a phrase (yes you read that right, a phrase) might have been borrowed from a review from another author’s book.

    She then follows her straw man down her rabbit hole all fixated on the author of the book and refused to acknowledge the content or author of the post.

    As junior loves to proclaim, there is no better support of AGW being a complete and total farce than the desperate reaching cosmo has shown above.

  6. okobserver
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Something a blogger said on another blog this morning ‘It took 2 months for the prez to decide what kind of dog to get and he want something as big as his healthcare plan to go through in 10 days.

  7. okobserver
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Not sure if this is something people should be on the lookout for or not but for what its worth;

    We received a letter from a company called Unifund. It said we had an unpaid tax bill with the state of Kansas and it had been turned over to collection. I knew we didn’t owe any back taxes so instead of calling them as they said to do I called the Dept. of Rev with the state. After 45 minutes on the phone they couldn’t find any record of taxes due and no record that our account had been turned over to this company. It wasn’t a large amount. Just under $200 but many people probably just mail a check without checking.

    Just an FYI.

  8. Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    It took 2 months for the prez to decide what kind of dog to get

    I be stealin that one.

  9. Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Minimum wage increases to $7.25 this month. What will that do to the unemployment numbers?

  10. DFB
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    “It took 2 months for the prez to decide what kind of dog to get”

    More than 2 months, it was a campaign promise to his kids…he musta missed the memo that the election results were final in early Nov…the press spent more than 2 months getting mileage out of the stupid story!

  11. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    soldevvb posted July 22, 2009 at 8:39 am

    . . . and refused to acknowledge the content or author of the post.
    ——————

    soldevvb,

    Really? Wasn’t Thomas Fuller the author of your copy/paste?

    Reposting,
    —————-

    soldevvb ended his long-winded copy/paste at a very “convenient” point.
    . . .
    And Thomas Fuller’s newspaper column isn’t worth wasting time to debunk.
    . . .
    Actually, I was pointing out that soldevvb did not know (twice) what his own source wrote.
    . . .
    soldevvb also seems to incorrectly believe that Thomas Fuller’s newspaper column is more credible than scientific research.
    . . .
    Thomas Fuller’s newspaper columns are already very well refuted by science. Again, his column isn’t worth wasting my time to debunk.

  12. minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Does Obama still have the dog? Ever seen the girls with it?

  13. minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Was it a ’shelter’ dog like promised?

  14. minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    If he lies about a dog for his girls how can we trust him with anything else?

  15. minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Obama health care. . .

    Drink your Kool-Aid. . .

    Take a number.

  16. Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Here is what has cosmo’s panties in a wad (note, it has absolutely no relevance to the article):

    They are accused of ‘torturing the data until it confesses,’ to borrow a phrase that has suddenly become popular (I think I read it first in a review of Ian Plimer’s new book Heaven and Earth, but it may have been elsewhere).

    Wow cosmo, seek help. This is what you latch on to from an artlicle that debunks realclimate’s contributors?

    I can see why you are loath to discuss the article’s content. Your heros are liars. There is no “science” but only politics and fudging numbers.

    Is the temperature increasing at or above estimates in the Antarctic cosmo?

    Are you, too, a Medieval warming denier cosmo?

    Do you believe Mann’s hockey stick graph is accurate?

    Do you agree that Steig’s sampling of 5% of Antarctica and “spreading the results” across the other 95% is “good scientific practice?”

    _______________________________________________________

    Thomas Fuller’s newspaper columns are already very well refuted by science. Again, his column isn’t worth wasting my time to debunk.

    Then of course you can post links to this article being debunked, right?

    http://www.examiner.com/x-9111-SF-Environmental-Policy-Examiner~y2009m7d11-Does-global-warming-diminish-when-measured-accurately-Part-5

  17. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    #
    minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Does Obama still have the dog? Ever seen the girls with it?
    ——————-
    I’m pretty sure the dog didn’t make the Paris trip.

  18. Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    global cooling causes Crop reduction 60% in some cases

    More links here:

    http://www.failedexperiment.com/global-cooling-causes-crop-reduction-60-in-some-cases/

  19. Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    minute (as in very small) comments

    http://www.the-obama-dog.com/wp-content/gallery/Bo-Obama-Dog/Obama-Family-Plus-Dog.jpg

  20. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    soldevvb,

    Do you actually believe that a San Francisco newspaper column “debunks” the scientific research done by many scientists worldwide?

    And you do seem to have a reading comprehension problem, like not noticing that a phrase might have been used in a review of a book, not the book itself.

  21. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    This, versus a San Francisco newspaper column?

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html

  22. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    What? No posts from the desmogblog or realclimate to bluster up the cosmos factor?

  23. donndublin
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Sol, Did you notice that cosMo’s links keep getting older and older. Before you know he’ll be using data from the end of the last ice age.

    The AGW alarmists are scared to death of the data from the last two years and recycle the old cherry picked data to promote their social agenda.

  24. donndublin
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Sol, By cosMo’s own reasoning, since they’re still not defending the opinion, they must not beleive in it anymore.

    Ask him if he can find a link that show’s they are still defending the article.

  25. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    And you do seem to have a reading comprehension problem,

    Such as not being able to answer questions from the content of the article cosmo? Like the below?

    __________________________________________________________

    Is the temperature increasing at or above estimates in the Antarctic cosmo?

    Are you, too, a Medieval warming denier cosmo?

    Do you believe Mann’s hockey stick graph is accurate?

    Do you agree that Steig’s sampling of 5% of Antarctica and “spreading the results” across the other 95% is “good scientific practice?”

    __________________________________________________________

    But instead you’d rather deflect and latch on to one phrase that might have been borrowed from a review of another author’s work.

    Don’t embrace content cosmo, it’ll only make you weaker.

    Pa

    the

    tic

  26. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    AP

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Cool weather has broken a previous low temperature for July 21 in Nashville that was set when Rutherford B. Hayes was president.

    When the temperature at the National Weather Service station dipped to 58 degrees at 5:30 a.m. on Tuesday, it wiped out the previous record low for the date of 60 degrees, which was set in 1877.

    NWS forecaster Bobby Boyd noted it was the third consecutive morning when Nashville either tied or broke a daily low temperature record.

    Temperatures were cool, but did not break records at several Tennessee cities.

    Knoxville dropped to 59 degrees Tuesday morning, Chattanooga had 60 degrees, Tri-Cities recorded 58 degrees and Memphis was 69 degrees.

  27. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    “I Intend that I am refraining from buying into any media hype surrounding mass events, and that I am only envisioning positive outcomes for the Earth and her people. ” Intender’s of the Highest Daily Affirmation

  28. minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Hurtful, DavidB, just hurtful.

    Got any recent pictures of Bo? That one looks like it was taken in April.

  29. Kansas_Heffalump
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    One of Jerry Moran’s kid’s called me “to chat.”

    Translation. To chat = Why haven’t you’ve given Jerry money yet?

    After I explained I haven’t given anything to anyone since last November I got a few trial balloon’s floated past me.

    The most troubling is that the IRS is probing the C-Street House and it’s 501-c-3 status. It’s officially a tax-exempt religious organization but someone has challenged the political activities of C-Street Member’s like Senator Brownback and Congressman Tihart.

    I can’t be sure but it sound’s like Jerry Moran may have prompted the IRS witch hunt. At least this kid think’s it’s an opportunity to taint Tihart. Of course it would taint Brownback to. But the kid’s argument is Sam is a lock for governor and Jerry can pick up eastern Kansas votes by being free of the C-Street taint.

    “Jerry never drives down C-Street. If there’s a red light when he crosses it he runs it!” the kid said.

    On the one hand I kind of admire Moran’s spunk. On the other hand I don’t like how this inter-party fight might play out.

    I don’t think east coast media effects Kansas Republican’s all that much. But I afraid that this could result in a disasterous “I was downstairs playing the piano” moment for Brownback.

  30. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    soldevvb,

    The MWP and LIA were regional, not global.

    The MBH98 “hockey stick” has been supported by multiple later reconstructions. Do you have any science to refute all of those reconstructions?

  31. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Got any recent pictures of Bo? That one looks like it was taken in April.

    LOL – from the link:

    BoBama – More Pictures
    17

    Apr

    2009

  32. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    ANTI posted July 22, 2009 at 10:28 am

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Cool weather has broken a previous low temperature. . .
    ———–

    ANTI,

    Make some posts about the temperatures in TX during the last 2 months.

  33. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Do you have any science to refute all of those reconstructions?

    Sure do. The last ~8 years. Can you refute the global temps for the last ~8 years?

  34. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    ANTI,

    Make some posts about the temperatures in TX during the last 2 months.
    =================================

    Algore is not from Texas.

  35. donndublin
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Global climate and temperature cycles are the result of a complex interplay between a variety of causes. Because these cycles and events overlap, sometimes compounding one another, sometimes canceling one another out, it is inaccurate to imply a statistically significant trend in climate or temperature patterns from just a few years or a few decades of data.

    Unfortunately, a lot of disinformation about where Earth’s climate is heading is being propagated by “scientists” who use improper statistical methods, short-term temperature trends, or faulty computer models to make analytical and anecdotal projections about the significance of man-made influences to Earth’s climate.

    During the last 100 years there have been two general cycles of warming and cooling recorded in the U.S. We are currently in the second warming cycle. Overall, U.S. temperatures show no significant warming trend over the last 100 years (1). This has been well – established but not well – publicized.

    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

  36. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    soldevvb posted July 22, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Do you have any science to refute all of those reconstructions?

    Sure do. The last ~8 years. Can you refute the global temps for the last ~8 years?
    ———————–

    LOL!

    The last ~8 years does NOT refute the “hockey stick”.

  37. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    soldevvb posted July 22, 2009 at 10:13 am

    But instead you’d rather deflect and latch on to one phrase that might have been borrowed from a review of another author’s work.
    —————

    Actually, soldevvb’s source, Thomas Fuller, uses the same confusion, ignorance, and falsehoods as Plimer.

    soldevvb refuses to defend Plimer.

    http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ian_Plimer

  38. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    donndublin posted July 22, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Global climate and temperature cycles are the result of a complex interplay between a variety of causes.
    —————–

    And anthropogenic-added GHG’s are a new and significant cause of global warming, and climate change.

  39. Phantom
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Guess it took so long to get the dog, because, well good presidents have more pressing matters to attend to.

    “It took 2 months for the prez to decide what kind of dog to get”

    “I be stealin that one”
    And, don’t be stealin Bo.

  40. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    soldevvb refuses to defend Plimer.

    I should defend someone you brought up? Hey cos, get out the rabbit hole.

    Good Lord your desperation is sickening.

    And that good old hockey stick. Sorry about the facts cosmo, the hockey stick shows ever increasing temperatures.

    Though you are so loath to admit it, temperatures have fallen over the last 8 years.

    The model has been debunked. Even the IPCC has distanced itself from it.

    Damn you’re dumb.

  41. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    But now a shock: Canadian scientists Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick have uncovered a fundamental mathematical flaw in the computer program that was used to produce the hockey stick. In his original publications of the stick, Mann purported to use a standard method known as principal component analysis, or PCA, to find the dominant features in a set of more than 70 different climate records.

    But it wasnt so. McIntyre and McKitrick obtained part of the program that Mann used, and they found serious problems. Not only does the program not do conventional PCA, but it handles data normalization in a way that can only be described as mistaken.

    Now comes the real shocker. This improper normalization procedure tends to emphasize any data that do have the hockey stick shape, and to suppress all data that do not. To demonstrate this effect, McIntyre and McKitrick created some meaningless test data that had, on average, no trends. This method of generating random data is called Monte Carlo analysis, after the famous casino, and it is widely used in statistical analysis to test procedures. When McIntyre and McKitrick fed these random data into the Mann procedure, out popped a hockey stick shape!

    ______________________________________________________________

    But poor little cosmo is still confused.

    Keep believing the liars cosmo.

  42. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    And anthropogenic-added GHG’s are a new and significant cause of global warming, and climate change.

    Too bad there is no proof of this. Only politicized lies, fudged numbers and error riddled models.

  43. minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    “It took 2 months for the prez to decide what kind of dog to get”

    November, December, January, February, March, April. . .

    Was it a ’shelter’ dog?

    Or. . .

    Is Obama a liar?

  44. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Ummm… minutelady(you of short attention span) –

    Where do you think Obama would likely find a shelter dog that is non-allergenic(needed because of one of his daughters’ allergies)???

    I guess maybe if there would have been NO dog, then you might have a reasonable argument about lying… Otherwise, all you are doing is just plain old Trolling….

  45. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Chas, wish your link did not go to Amazon.
    I’m looking for places to comment.
    What? 2 threads a day here?

    Whadya do?
    Hang out and smell the hatred?
    Boring.

  46. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Try that one, sekan There is a blog spot there… Lots of hatred on here… You’re right… On the other hand, sometimes it’s helpful to know what the “other side” is thinking… eh??

  47. XXX
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:10 am | Permalink
    “It took 2 months for the prez to decide what kind of dog to get”

    November, December, January, February, March, April. . .

    Was it a ’shelter’ dog?

    Or. . .

    Is Obama a liar?
    ___________________________

    Show me where Obama promised he’d get a shelter dog.

  48. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Where do you think Obama would likely find a shelter dog that is non-allergenic(needed because of one of his daughters’ allergies)???

    Asthma is not an allergy.

  49. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Obama’s dog is the least of our problems.

  50. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    “On the other hand, our preference would be to get a shelter dog, but, obviously, a lot of shelter dogs are mutts like me.”

  51. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Speaking of lies.. I just saw an anti-healthcare reform ad on CNN. A Canadian was telling a medical horror story (as if there are no similar American stories).

    The tag line was “Some in Washington want a Canadian-style health system,” as if a Canadian Single Payer system plan was in play in Washington.

    What is it called to try and frighten people using false comparisons?

  52. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Thanks Chas, I checked it out.
    Just not into it.

  53. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Nobody friggin cares about Obama’s dog.
    Get a life.

  54. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Swiftboating the common people out of decent care?
    And who’s surprised?
    The friggin lobbyists don’t care if you rot.

    No changes is good for them.

  55. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Try this one sekan….

  56. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    OR, this one, sekan… that one above is entered wrong… sorry bout that!!

  57. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    FOX is alone among the major television networks in making the decision to “So You Think You Can Dance.” instead of President Obama’s prime time press conference on the health care bills.

    Curious, no?

  58. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    FOX is alone among the major television networks in making the decision to air “So You Think You Can Dance,” instead of President Obama’s prime time press conference on the health care bills.

    Curious, no?

  59. donndublin
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    #
    cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    donndublin posted July 22, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Global climate and temperature cycles are the result of a complex interplay between a variety of causes.
    —————–

    And anthropogenic-added GHG’s are a new and significant cause of global warming, and climate change.
    _______________

    Total human contributions to greenhouse gases account for only about 0.28% of the “greenhouse effect”. Anthropogenic (man-made) carbon dioxide (CO2) comprises about 0.117% of this total, and man-made sources of other gases ( methane, nitrous oxide (NOX), other misc. gases) contributes another 0.163% .

    Approximately 99.72% of the “greenhouse effect” is due to natural causes — mostly water vapor and traces of other gases, which we can do nothing at all about. Eliminating human activity altogether would have little impact on climate change.

    Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective

    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
    ________________

    0.28% is not “significant” and cap and tax on the US economy will have a insignificant affect on that “significant” amount.

    Go tell your Chinese masters that.

  60. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink
    FOX is alone among the major television networks in making the decision to air “So You Think You Can Dance,” instead of President Obama’s prime time press conference on the health care bills.

    Curious, no?
    ===========================

    What’s the difference between the two shows?

  61. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:39 am | Permalink
    FOX is alone among the major television networks in making the decision to “So You Think You Can Dance.” instead of President Obama’s prime time press conference infomercial on the health care bills.

    Curious, no?

    ______________________________________________________________

    Oh when we need Billy Mayes(sp?) most…

    I guess he could have gone with the [Sham]-Wow guy (pun intended).

  62. donndublin
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    #
    DavidB
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    FOX is alone among the major television networks in making the decision to air “So You Think You Can Dance,” instead of President Obama’s prime time press conference on the health care bills.

    Curious, no?
    _____________

    That’s why FOX is way out front in the ratings.

  63. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Democrat Senate Votes Against Concealed Carry

    But who is surprised that DemoRats don’t support gun rights and your right to defend yourself?

    Senate rejects pro-gun measure on concealed weapon

    By JIM ABRAMS (AP) – 18 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON — Gun control proponents scored a rare victory as the Senate rejected the carrying of concealed weapons across state lines.

    The 58-39 vote Wednesday defeated a measure giving people with concealed weapons permits the right to carry their firearms into other states that have similar gun laws. Sixty votes were needed to approve the provision, an amendment to a defense spending bill.

  64. Hud
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    “White House declines to disclose visits by health industry executives

    Citing an argument used by the Bush administration, the Secret Service rejects a request from a watchdog group to list those who have visited the White House to discuss the healthcare overhaul.”

    I love this part of the article:

    “At its meetings with the White House, the drug industry reported on progress made with the Senate…”

    I guess Obama was just checking up on the Senate.

  65. Hud
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Oops, forgot the link.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-healthcare-talks22-2009jul22,0,1752248.story

  66. Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    “WASHINGTON — Gun control proponents scored a rare victory as the Senate rejected the carrying of concealed weapons across state lines.” [posted by Johnson]

    First, I would highly suspect that the gun people will challenge this in Court…

    Second, given the SCOTUS’ position on gun rights, I highly suspect the Senate will be over-ruled.

  67. Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    The bill would mean stricter laws would be overruled by liberal carry laws.

    “For Alaska to permit residents who have committed repeated violent misdemeanors or who have committed misdemeanor sex offenses against minors to carry a concealed weapon is terrible public policy. For the Senate to extend that permit to 47 other states would be the height of irresponsibility” – NYTIMES editorial

  68. Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    I agree DavidB… I just posted my hunches… :-)

  69. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    “JimJohnson” –

    Was that a “gun-rights” bill or a “states’ rights” bill.

    Why do you hate states’ rights?

  70. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    #
    JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Democrat Senate Votes Against Concealed Carry

    But who is surprised that DemoRats don’t support gun rights and your right to defend yourself?

    Senate rejects pro-gun measure on concealed weapon

    By JIM ABRAMS (AP) – 18 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON — Gun control proponents scored a rare victory as the Senate rejected the carrying of concealed weapons across state lines.

    The 58-39 vote Wednesday defeated a measure giving people with concealed weapons permits the right to carry their firearms into other states that have similar gun laws. Sixty votes were needed to approve the provision, an amendment to a defense spending bill.
    —————————
    There are only two states that don’t have concel and carry laws – that’s Illinois and I think Wisconsin.

    Of course, getting from Kansas to Hawaii with a concealed weapon might be a bit tricky unless one is traveling by water.

  71. minutelady
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Of course, getting from Kansas to Hawaii with a concealed weapon might be a bit tricky unless one is traveling by water.
    ___________________________________

    Not really, check your weapon with ammo in a different bag. No Problem.

  72. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    First, I would highly suspect that the gun people will challenge this in Court…

    Second, given the SCOTUS’ position on gun rights, I highly suspect the Senate will be over-ruled.

    Want to post the legal theories under which such a position might be advanced?

    And BTW – the position you refer to is in fact the Constitution’s position. This country decided its policy regarding possession of arms some 200 plus years ago, and thought it so important they cast it in our fundamental law. You’re welcome to try to repeal the 2nd Am., if you’ve got the votes. You don’t, but I encourage you to try . . .

  73. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    “GMC70″ –

    It’s a States’ Rights issue.

    Here and I thought CONs were in favor of States’ Rights.

    If Alaska wants to allow ex-convicts and sexual predators walking around the tundra with a LadySmith pistol, fine with me.

    If the New York General Assembly is diffident about convicted felons, rapists, and child molesters packing heat in the subways, they can enact laws appropriate to their constituents’ demands.

  74. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    “And BTW – the position you refer to is in fact the Constitution’s position. This country decided its policy regarding possession of arms some 200 plus years ago, and thought it so important they cast it in our fundamental law. You’re welcome to try to repeal the 2nd Am., if you’ve got the votes. You don’t, but I encourage you to try . . .” [GMC70]

    Just what in the HE!! are you ragging on me about now?? I mean, I just SAID that I suspect the SCOTUS would reject the “control” law passed by the Senate…

    Methinks you best read what I said again… eh???

  75. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    ALSO, GMC, please note that it is YOU who bring up the 2nd Amendment… NOT me….

  76. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    MH –

    personally, I agree with you. I don’t have any real desire to have the federal nose under the tent of State’s CC laws. On the other hand, teh provisions of the bill (as I understand it) were widely misrepresented (what a surprise! ). The law required reciprocity to CC holders – but under the laws of that state; in other words, while a CC holder from KS might have to recognized in Mass., he still had to abide by Mass law in doing so, and was responsible for knowing same (much like a driver’s license).

    And as I said, I’m not particularly in favor of law. It seems a slippery slope to me. I’d rather concentrate on the 2nd Am. being incorporated like the rest of the Bill of Rights.

    Chas – Actually, YOU raised the 2nd Am., you’re just not bright enough to realize it.

  77. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    . . . CC holder from KS might have to BE recognized in Mass., . . .

  78. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    “WASHINGTON (July 22) – A federal judge has sentenced a former Fox News Channel producer to 10 years in prison for possession of child pornography.

    The U.S. Attorney’s Office says Aaron Bruns was sentenced Tuesday in U.S. District Court.

    Prosecutors had recommended the 10-year term, citing Bruns’ prior conviction on similar charges.

    Authorities arrested Bruns in February after investigators said he had been sharing pornography on a social networking Web site. Bruns pleaded guilty in May to possession of child pornography.

    Bruns covered Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2008 and later was a general producer in Washington, covering politics.”

    http://news.aol.com/article/ex-fox-producer-aaron-bruns-child-porn/583139?icid=main|htmlws-main|dl4|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fex-fox-producer-aaron-bruns-child-porn%2F583139

  79. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink
    “WASHINGTON — Gun control proponents scored a rare victory as the Senate rejected the carrying of concealed weapons across state lines.” [posted by Johnson]

    First, I would highly suspect that the gun people will challenge this in Court…

    Second, given the SCOTUS’ position on gun rights, I highly suspect the Senate will be over-ruled.
    ===========================================

    OK GMC(Jackass) —- Just what is it you are disagreeing with me on here??? I?F I have said anything about the 2nd Amendment, it is only that SCOTUS would uphold it with passage of this Bill in the Senate….

    So, WHAT ARE YOU CARPING AT ME FOR???

    I wasnt looking for any arguments, but with your post above, I cant help myself…

    I AGREE with your gun rights position, and STILL you bi*ch that I am wrong about something!!! Good Grief!!!

    Must be a s l o w day at the Courthouse, eh??

  80. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    <b<Butler County, Kansas

    Assistant county Attorney

    TEMPORARY POSITION

    POSITION AVAILABLE: The Butler County Attorney s Office is interviewing for a Temporary Assistant County Attorney position.

    QUALIFICATIONS: Juris Doctorate/Currently licensed and in good standing to practice law in the State of Kansas.

    POSITION SUMMARY: Under the supervision of the County Attorney this is a professional position responsible for the Child In Need Of Care Cases and Juvenile Prosecution. The employee in this position handles legal work in preparation for court appearances and jury trials. The Assistant County Attorney also advises officers and county officials on state, local law and ordinances. Please send resume to the Butler County Attorney, Jan Satterfield, 201 W. Pine, Suite 104, El Dorado, Kansas, 67042, phone 316-321-6999, Fax 316-321-4120.

    COMPENSATION: Starting salary $38,000.00 or higher depending on experience.

    =====

    Apparently they need someone in the office to actually, y’now, work.

  81. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Wrong about somthing, you ain’t never been RIGHT.

    -Platoon

  82. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    MonkeyHock,

    Why are you messing with this man’s livelihood?

    How about leaving poster’s life outside of the blog alone?

  83. Heckler
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Heard during the reciprocity debate.

    UPDATE: Coburn just said he would support the Dems in the states right argument if they’d agree to a bill on enumerated powers and restoring the 10th Amendment. Think there will be any takers?

  84. sursum
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Sol: If a Canadian can’t design a hockey stick, there is no hope for any of us.

  85. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Permalink
    Wrong about somthing, you ain’t never been RIGHT.

    -Platoon
    ==========================================

    So, SOL….
    According to this statement you make here, then the SCOTUS should uphold this Senate Bill which does NOT allow CC permit holders to cross State Lines?? Is that what you are saying???

    Cause if it is, I am saying the exact opposite… The SCOTUS should stand on their previous positions re: 2nd Amendment.

  86. Heckler
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Monkey”boy” plays the DICK card.

  87. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    chass,

    I quoted a movie. Tell your wife to put it back in her pants. You don’t need it just yet.

    By the way chass, are you robbing any more parishes of room and board and your bennies?

    Ya gotsta PAY ta PRAY!!!!

  88. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    SOL — Just as a reminder, THIS is what I posted just after Noon, CDT >>>>

    Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink
    “WASHINGTON — Gun control proponents scored a rare victory as the Senate rejected the carrying of concealed weapons across state lines.” [posted by Johnson]

    First, I would highly suspect that the gun people will challenge this in Court…

    Second, given the SCOTUS’ position on gun rights, I highly suspect the Senate will be over-ruled.
    ___________________________________________

    Now then, is it your position that I am WRONG on what I posted??? Hmmmmm???

  89. Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Sol, have you stopped beating your wife??

  90. outlander
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    #
    Heckler
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Monkey”boy” plays the DICK card.

    ————-

    Yesterday, I said that Monkeyhawk could be a good writer. As a decent human being though,…

  91. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Doctors Wage War Against Obama’s Health Care Overhaul
    Kansas Doc speaks out

    Fox News

    As President Obama pushes for passage of his first major domestic policy change, some physicians are waging an all-out war against a health care reform bill they say amounts to nothing more than socialized medicine.

    The American Medical Association — the nation’s largest physician organization with nearly 250,000 members — initially opposed the president’s plan, but backed the House Democrats’ version of the bill last week. That has led to an internal dispute that has resulted in some physicians leaving the nation’s largest doctors’ association.

    Watson said the president’s reform bill is loaded with rules and regulations that will ultimately result in shoddy patient care and long waiting lines. He blasted the bill as “insidious” by forcing doctors contracted with Medicare into the nationalized plan — a “trap” he described as “involuntary servitude.” “This is war,” Dr. George Watson, a Kansas physician and president-elect of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, told FOXNews.com Thursday. “This is a
    bureaucratic boondoggle to grab control of health care. Everything that has been proposed in the 1,018 page bill will contribute to the ruination of medicine.”

  92. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    The Freepers are getting restless –

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2295624/posts?page=451

  93. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” scolds –

    “MonkeyHock,

    Why are you messing with this man’s livelihood?

    How about leaving poster’s life outside of the blog alone?”

    Perhaps you should take this subject up with this guy –

    SolDevVB” Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:46 pm –
    chass,

    “…chass, are you robbing any more parishes of room and board and your bennies?

    Ya gotsta PAY ta PRAY!!!!”

    Then get back to me.

  94. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    The difference MonkeyHock is that Sol was making a generic comment.

    In simpler words, he didn’t bring up Chas’s specific workplace and make covert threats to compromise his position.

    You on the other hand deserve one between the eyes for your conduct.

  95. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    “outlander” whines –

    “…Monkeyhawk could be a good writer. As a decent human being though,…”

    Oh yeah.

    I’m being a real “dick” sharing a help-wanted ad in a public forum.

  96. Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
    Sol, have you stopped beating your wife??
    _________________________________________________________

    chass,

    HAve you stopped suc king your wife’s dic_ ?

  97. Heckler
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    outlander

    I concur. I’ve seen him write some descent stuff here, right before he turns into an ignorant arse.

  98. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” squirms –

    “The difference MonkeyHock is that Sol was making a generic comment.”

    Just what, in your damaged brain, makes you think “……chass, are you robbing any more parishes of room and board and your bennies?

    Ya gotsta PAY ta PRAY!!!!”

    Seems pretty specific to me.

    “In simpler words, he didn’t bring up Chas’s specific workplace and make covert threats to compromise his position.”

    What about a public job opening announcement by Butler County Attorney Jan Satterfield constitutes a “covert threat?”

    “You on the other hand deserve one between the eyes for your conduct.”

    That, on the other hand, appears to be an overt threat.

    Are you going to include Satterfield in your little rampage?

  99. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    LOL!

    soldevvb seems to incorrectly believe that M & M’s flawed attack on MBH98 also refutes all of the later reconstructions that all have characteristics similar to MBH98.

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html

    Way to go, soldevvb! You’re an excellent example of an AGW science denier.

  100. Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Hey cos,

    Why don’t you paste a link that shows the flawed models predicting the last 8 years of cooling.

    Didn’t think so.

    Next?

  101. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    From Bob Cesca –

    I clicked over to one of those health insurance shopping sites, entered my family’s information (family of three, non-smokers) and the top rated, best selling plan on the site showed a $476 monthly premium with a $250 deductible, 10% co-insurance, and $20 doctor’s visits.

    A government plan that’s 40% cheaper, as Bachmann noted, would cost around $286 per month — a $190 discount. It wouldn’t exclude us for preexisting conditions. It wouldn’t randomly deny us coverage. It wouldn’t conspire to cancel our coverage as soon as we got sick. And we could take it with us wherever we go.

    However, the public option would function similarly to Medicare which carries a $96 per month premium (Part B) for a married couple making less that $170,000 a year. There’s a $135 deductible and a 20% co-insurance.

    (Incidentally, the absolute most expensive Medicare premium is $308 per month — paid by couples earning a massive $500,000 a year. Not even close to the $476 per month private insurance premium I quoted above.)

    But the public option isn’t just about the low premium, it’s about the security. It’s about knowing that you’re paying into a system that will always be there.

  102. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    soldevvb,

    Are you completely unable to learn the basics of climate science?

    The models do not include short-term influences that cannot be predicted, like ENSO events.

  103. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk seems to be volunteering to pay for BlueJay’s health insurance.

  104. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  105. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  106. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  107. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  108. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  109. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  110. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  111. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  112. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  113. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Wanna pay for mine too, Monkeyhawk?

  114. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Look at all the little birds with their mouths open!

  115. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Nice little tantrum, “ANTI” –

    Was it something I said?

  116. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Permalink
    Nice little tantrum, “ANTI” –
    ===============================

    Nah, I’m going to crack open an ice cold Coke before I have to get a pay-day loan to purchase one…Way to go Dims!!

    Brilliant.

  117. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    “ANTI” –

    A “pay-day” loan?!

    You get a “pay day?”

    You mean you’ve been posting all day from work?

    Are you a lawyer?

    They’re hiring folks with your work ethic over in the Butler County Attorney’s office.

  118. Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    “bureaucratic boondoggle” – nattering nabobs…

  119. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Now I can tolerate a lot, but how DARE you insinuate that I could be a lawyer. Why that is just a flat out insult of the worst kind!
    You b@stard!

  120. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    If this were the 1800’s Monkeyhawk, I would be forced to challenge you to a duel for such an insult.

  121. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    donndublin gets his climate science facts(sic) from Monte Hieb, a coal mining safety engineer.

    donndublin is another excellent example of an AGW science denier.

  122. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    “ANTI” goes on –

    “If this were the 1800’s Monkeyhawk, I would be forced to challenge you to a duel for such an insult.”

    It WAS just a question.

    Still, I understand your umbrage.

    I’d probably show up without a gun. I was perfectly willing to do that back when “HLP” and “Nathaniel” agreed to meet me for lunch. Then reneged.

    Swords, on the other hand, might be interesting. I’ve seen a lot of Three Musketeers movies and think I might be pretty good at it.

    (Especially that one with Raquel Welch.)

  123. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    In all of that, did you have a substantive point, MH?

    NO. To repeat myself – what a surprise! (rolls eyes).

  124. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    #
    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” squirms –

    “The difference MonkeyHock is that Sol was making a generic comment.”

    Just what, in your damaged brain, makes you think “……chass, are you robbing any more parishes of room and board and your bennies?

    Ya gotsta PAY ta PRAY!!!!”

    Seems pretty specific to me.

    “In simpler words, he didn’t bring up Chas’s specific workplace and make covert threats to compromise his position.”

    What about a public job opening announcement by Butler County Attorney Jan Satterfield constitutes a “covert threat?”

    “You on the other hand deserve one between the eyes for your conduct.”

    That, on the other hand, appears to be an overt threat.

    Are you going to include Satterfield in your little rampage?
    —————————
    That wasn’t the first post you brought up about his workplace.

    Knock it off

  125. Posted July 22, 2009 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Reg, now THAT’s funny!!! LOL

  126. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Almost 10,000 views and it’s only been up a week.

    This lady is gonna be a star!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_X1J4-BrIY

  127. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    #
    Chas
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Reg, now THAT’s funny!!! LOL
    ————–
    Well Chas, if I knew exactly where you worked and kept bringing it up in the forums, you wouldn’t like it either.

    Notice – the exactly comment…

    Generic comments being snarky about someone’s professions are suppose okay, but probably not on the high side.

    If I was to bring up where Ben Huie worked and made mention of it every day on the forum, you Libs would have a head-hunting party – for my head.

  128. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Reg –

    I know why MH does it. Aside from simple jealousy [ ;-) ]: he’s attempting to shut me up. It’s that tolerant left thing.

    In that, he’ll fail, of course.

  129. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    I don’t want to shut you up, “GMC70″ –

    I want you to work for a living and blog on your own time.

    You got a problem with that?

  130. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    #
    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    I don’t want to shut you up, “GMC70? –

    I want you to work for a living and blog on your own time.

    ===================
    Bull Schitt

  131. Political_mama
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to defend GMC here. I’m sure that what he does takes many hours off the clock, per se. So if he wants to take a little break and escape, I have no issue with that, considering he’s likely also working at midnight tonight.

  132. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Real thoughtful commentary there, “Regular” –

    I’m confident “GMC70″ appreciates your substantive defense of his goldbricking.

    He’d probably tell you himself, but he’s off work by now.

  133. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    “Political_mama” –

    Perhaps if he were actually working at 10am he wouldn’t have to “work” at midnight.

  134. Political_mama
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    I read some of the comments today, and there are some seriously ignorant people on this board who really sound dumb, kindof like that woman screaming today on the tv that Obama is an illegal alien.

    The worst thing is that these people really think they’re being smart.

    Dr Watson chooses to not treat people who are on medicaid and medicare. He does a disservice to people and wants to choose his patients. That isn’t a good doctor in my opinion. Luckily, there are real doctors out there who believe in helping people and know full well that we have to have healthcare reform. The equipment out there nowadays that is crucial to diagnostics is expensive. I hope his rich clients are covering that expense.

  135. Political_mama
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    I disagree. Sometimes I work all day and all night.

    And I had an Obama sticker on my vehicle while going to work. I had to remove it when I started using my vehicle for work.

    I guess the person who came up with that phrase thought the only people who were going to work were in an old chevy pickup with tools in the back.

  136. Posted July 22, 2009 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk–

    Actually, I agree with Regular on this. If nobody can blog from work, then nobody can blog except for you and . . . uh . . . Regular.

    I’ve said the same to KSFrmGrrl when she was ragging on GMC for the same deal.

    *****

    Here’s an interesting view you won’t hear on the drive-by media.

    William Rivers Pitt at TruthOut on the Torture:

    Three weeks ago, however, the whole nature of the torture debate changed irrevocably when an American soldier from Idaho named Bowe Bergdahl somehow fell into the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan. They have him now, and God help him, because it was the United States government under the administration of George W. Bush that set the terms for how anyone captured can and should be treated.

    If the Taliban decide Bergdahl has information they want, they can waterboard him until he talks. They can compress his body and cover him with insects, they can rob him of sleep and deny him food, they can beat him and slather his body with his own waste, they can shove sticks into his rect*m, they can r*pe him, and they can murder him. They can hand him over to representatives of another government and have him whisked away to some far-flung dungeon where “enhanced interrogation” has an even darker and more savage definition. For sure, they can deny him due process of any kind and never, ever, ever, ever let him go home again.

    They could do this whether or not the United States had engaged in similar practices, but because we did these things, they can do these things and still claim the moral high ground. Why not? It was the United States government under the administration of George W. Bush who plowed that high ground into the gutter. Everyone stands the same height when they’re face-down in the sewer.

    One thing the Taliban apparently cannot do, however, is videotape their prisoner. Several days ago, a tape of Bergdahl, with his head shaved, pleading to be sent home to his parents, was released by his captors. “I am scared,” said Bergdahl in the video. “I’m scared I won’t be able to go home. It is very unnerving to be a prisoner. I have my girlfriend who is hoping to marry. I have my grandma and grandpas. I have a very, very good family that I love back home in America. And I miss them every day that I’m gone. I miss them and I’m afraid that I might never see them again and that I’ll never be able to tell them that I love them again. I’ll never be able to hug them.”

    The US government reacted swiftly to the video of Bergdahl. “We condemn the use of this video and the public humiliation of prisoners,” said US military spokesman Col. Greg Julian. “It is against international law. We are doing everything we can to return this soldier to safety.”

    How hard it must have been for the US military to release a statement like that without feeling sick at heart and scared to death. The terrible irony and hypocrisy of the statement they released about the Bergdahl video must have been searing; we have set the table in such a way that torture is a positive action that saves lives, but videotapes are right out? No, that doesn’t scan, and we know it, and the Taliban know it, and dollars to donuts Bergdahl knows it, too. Is he waiting in terror for the torture to begin? Has it already started?

    The torture debate in America got real three weeks ago, and every American so-called Christian who has defended the practice can appreciate the lesson: we reap what we sow.

    Pray Bowe Bergdahl doesn’t reap it for us.

  137. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    “Political_mama” –

    Sometimes I work all day and all night.

    I don’t have time to blog during those times.

    There’s work to do.

    Work that earns my living.

    This particular little kerfuffle started when CONs objected to me reposting a public Want Ad documenting the Butler County Attorney’s office needs another $38,000-a-year lawyer to augment “GMC70’s” duties.

    “Regular” threatened to put a bullet between my eyes. “Heckler” and “outlander” piled on in moralist horror at Jan Satterfield’s Help Wanted ad. (She didn’t get the death threat I did, but I suspect “Regular” thinks she might deserve it, too. Correct me if I’m wrong, “Regular.”)

    I have no desire whatsoever to silence “GMC70.”

    I frequently find him to be articulate and informed and capable of rational opinions.

    After all, today:

    GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    MH -

    personally, I agree with you….”

    See?

    He’s a man of discernment and occasional wisdom.

    Now I don’t blog when there’s work to do. You don’t blog when there’s work to do. “Regular” doesn’t… well, work, so that’s not a good example.

    Anyone who’s paid attention to WE Blog knows “GMC 70″ has a government job and seems to have a lot of office time he chooses to contribute to this forum.

    In the meantime, the taxpayers of Butler County are scrambling to find another $38,000-a-year lawyer to supplement the County Attorney office’s workload.

    I didn’t say that.

    Jan Satterfield said that.

    But who gets the death threat from “Regular?”

  138. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Gotta agree with Monkeyhawk.

    I don’t care if someone like Heckler wastes company time. I had it worked out to a fine art myself.

    But as a generally Government opposing con who WORKS for the Government, GMC is in a position to waste the people’s money WHILE he advocates against the very Government that he is working for.

    Also he doesn’t have much of anything interesting to say and is a pompous bore.

  139. Heckler
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Monkey’s bent for the same reason Chicken Farmer was bent. GMC has spanked him so bad, and made him look so stupid so many times that the only way the Monkster can retain any self respect is to attack GMC personally.

    pathetic, just like the chicken farmer.

  140. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    TRUST me. Neither GMC’s ego OR his gut for that matter need feeding.

    He started out here tagging around after me occasionally posting the verbose equivalent of “harrumph”.

    THAT’s when he wasn’t calling this forum a “liberal circle jerk” and taking his ball and declaring intention NEVER to return.

    Meeting him in person, he comes across just the same as he does here.

  141. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    “CapnAmerica” –

    Your comment about me and “Regular” is valid as far as anyone knows via this forum about my work.

    I’m a free-lancer these days. Sit around like a firefighter until something flares up.

    It’s a bizarre business I work in.

    A week ago last Monday I got a 3am call from London asking for 10 “computer slu+ jokes” by noon my time.

    (My personal favorite: “That’s been hit more than Google.” They used “Her vag is like Wikipedia…anyone can make an entry.”

    They pay me an obscene amount of money for that stuff. And there’s no heavy lifting. And I have plenty of time to monitor the political nut wing on WE Blog.

    I don’t get a monthly check from the government and I don’t need my sister to help me change my Depends. I don’t have a quack doctor to supplement my monthly government check. Then again, my Dad doesn’t call me “Boy,” the same way he refers to his lead duck-herding dogs. I don’t even have a regular “pay” day like “ANTI” (who also finds a lot of time to blog), who announced he’s applying for a “Pay-Day Loan.”

    So life is pretty good for me.

    But I don’t blog when there’s work to be done.

    Neither does “Political_mama.”

    Neither do you, I presume, “CapnAmerica.”

    “GMC70?” Not so much.

  142. Heckler
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Monkey

    How many of your leftwing buddies on this blog work for the an educational institution supported by the state?

    You’ll notice, if you’re awake, that many days and sometimes weeks go by at times between posts by GMC. The nature of his job means he’ll be snowed under for weeks at a time… and then won’t have squat to do.

    As long as he doesnt blog about political issues specific to Butler County or to the details of his job I don’t have a problem with it. And I pay taxes and vote in Butler County.

  143. Agnatha
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    “Monkey’s bent for the same reason Chicken Farmer was bent. GMC has spanked him so bad, and made him look so stupid so many times that the only way the Monkster can retain any self respect is to attack GMC personally.”

    Bullsh*t. GMC is a decent blogger, and sometimes a formidable poster from the right (although many of his posts are supported simply by ideology). Monkeyhawk and KSfarmgrrl do engage in a lot of snark, and will sometimes troll, but they are also formidible posters.

    And on substance, they do as well as anyone here. Of late, Monkeyhawk has had a lot of substance in his posts.

    However, in general, his substantive points are ignored in favor of more personal but rhetorically empty comments. Some of the shallower bloggers from the right (which means quite frankly, at this time, most of the bloggers from the right, scurry like cockroaches from the actual points Monkeyhawk thinks and appear to think corrupting his name and claiming that he is stupid or “getting spanked”).

    It is true that GMC’s posts generally occur during working hours. However, I agree with Capn America as to it being a non-issue (we have no special insight as to whether GMC’s job is getting done, and no reason whatsoever to think that it is not getting done). And the ad Monkeyhawk posted notwithstanding, we have no idea why the position is needed and available.

  144. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    “Heckler” –

    As a Butler County taxpayer you must be willing and eager to pony up $38,000 to augment “GMC70’s” workload.

    Jan Satterfield is.

  145. Agnatha
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    “…Monkeyhawk thinks…”

    should be

    “…Monkeyhawk posts…”

  146. Phantom
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    O man did well on Prime Time address.

  147. CapnAmerica
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Actually, I do waste far too much time blogging here.

    But I call it “taking a break,” hehehe.

    Also, I have cut back . . . just going to do it ’til I go blind as the saying goes.

  148. CapnAmerica
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Phantom–

    Totally agree. Obama is ONE bright, honest guy.

    The CONs should really give him a break. He’s going to help them too, if they’d just shut off Rush and think about it . . .

  149. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    “GMC is a decent blogger, and sometimes a formidable poster”

    Well, opinions differ. I think he’s derivative.

    It’s ironic that my pal farmgrrl is mentioned. GMC began posting here with a decided lack of personality or style to his posts.

    So, he derived of other posters (like farmgrrl) and created a personality that he didn’t originally have.

  150. CapnAmerica
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m kinda surprised that an Ass’t Prosecutor makes such a low salary.

    Is that full-time?

    Dude, just manage a Quick Trip.

  151. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” threatened to put a bullet between my eyes.

    I never said anything about bullets or firearms.

  152. beber
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    “So, he derived of other posters (like farmgrrl) and created a personality that he didn’t originally have.”

    Most posters create personas. Do u suppose KFG goes about he heing hysterically in real life?

  153. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    I don’t even have a regular “pay” day like “ANTI” (who also finds a lot of time to blog), who announced he’s applying for a “Pay-Day Loan.” -MH
    ================================================

    Fishin’ ain’t easy, Monkeyhawk.

    And there is no ‘regular pay day’.

    I would call you a pompous arse, but that would just be mean…So I won’t, Dick Head

  154. Agnatha
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    “Well, opinions differ. I think he’s derivative.”

    Of what?

    “It’s ironic that my pal farmgrrl is mentioned. GMC began posting here with a decided lack of personality or style to his posts.”

    I am not sure what you mean here, but in terms of being a good poster who contributes to discussions, “style” and “personality” are way down the list. I like content. Sometimes, “style” and “personality” is all too often responded to instead of content. This certainly happens to Monkeyhawk and Farmgrrl. On the occasions when Regular actually decides to go for something other than respondent post counts (which is not often), the same thing sometimes happens to him.

    So, he derived of other posters (like farmgrrl) and created a personality that he didn’t originally have.

    “So, he derived of other posters (like farmgrrl) and created a personality that he didn’t originally have.”

    Like I said, I have no idea what you are talking about here.

  155. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    “Now I can tolerate a lot, but how DARE you insinuate that I could be a lawyer. Why that is just a flat out insult of the worst kind!
    You b@stard!”

    Really?

    You can’t fish.

  156. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    “I’m kinda surprised that an Ass’t Prosecutor makes such a low salary.”

    Sorta like being an Assistance Professor isn’t it?

  157. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    You can’t fish.
    ==========================

    It is unwise to poke at the bear, American Way.

    :-)

  158. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Whatever happened to the opposing view from the other party that used to follow presidential speeches?

    Am I imagining that from when Bush II was Prez?

    Bush III speaks and we get nothing.

  159. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    See – there are things worse than being accused of being a lawyer.

  160. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    And if you are a polor bear – I’m turning on my IPOD.

    “ZAP!!!!

    Another Polar Bear bites the dust. I mean tundra.

  161. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    American_Way,

    I was taking off my watch and getting ready to through my cap on the ground…Cause dem be fightin’ words!

    LMFAO

  162. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D) apologizes over use of N-word, but slip may cost her against Sen. Gillibrand

    Read more:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/20/2009-07-20_rep_carol
    yn_maloney_apologizes_over_use_of_nword_but_incident_may_cost_her_again.
    html#ixzz0LuLQlLLp

    Oh neVERmind. I just noticed the “D” after her name. Only counts if it’s an “R”.

  163. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like Maloney and R. Byrd could have one hell of a good time together!

  164. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Lot of closet racists in the Dems – Like Senate Boxer that brought a statement from the NAACP when National Black Chamber of Commerce CEO Harry Alford appeared to address Cap and Trade issues.

    http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/07/16/nbcc-boxer-racial/

  165. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    “I was taking off my watch and getting ready to through my cap on the ground…Cause dem be fightin’ words!”

    The anonymity of the blog offers me some cover to display my false bravado. I can dare to insult a fisherman, unwise as that is.

  166. Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    “Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D) apologizes over use of N-word, but slip may cost her against Sen. Gillibrand” [AmWay]

    I dont care if she is a “D” or an “R” — She should apologize profusely, and then RESIGN..

  167. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    “Lot of closet racists in the Dems”

    yes, another example Regular. But again, you won’t see it on prime time.

    I think the media computers are rigged to look for that “R” after the names.

  168. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    “Sounds like Maloney and R. Byrd could have one hell of a good time together!”

    Yep, probably swap some off-color jokes together.

  169. American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Darn! I hate to shoot and scoot, but life has thrown some curves at me lately and I have to go already. Funny thing about layoffs – the work doesn’t always go away when the workers do.

    I feel like the guy who gets on the elevator and quietly farts, then gets off on the next floor.

    Leave some fish for me Anti.

  170. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Yep, probably swap some off-color jokes together.
    ============================================

    Throw in Boxer and you’ve got the Bigot, Intolerant, Racist, Trifecta!

  171. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    #
    American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Darn! I hate to shoot and scoot, but life has thrown some curves at me lately and I have to go already. Funny thing about layoffs – the work doesn’t always go away when the workers do.

    I feel like the guy who gets on the elevator and quietly farts, then gets off on the next floor.
    ====================
    bastage!

  172. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    I have no idea how long you have been reading/posting here Agnatha. So I don’t know how much of GMC’s history you know.

    He started out as a one or two line poster strictly to gun threads. Til I started poking holes in him and making him careen entertainingly around the room and frequently off the forum. In rant, he was somewhat entertaining. Outside of that, his posts were very reflective of someone who pores over legalese all day.

    One fond memory was when he thought IOKIYAR was some sort of secret liberal code!

    I DID once opine that he was about the best the cons had. But that is only damning him with faint praise when he comes from a bench of religious nuts, greedheads, cranks and the mentally unsound.

    Also, I don’t LOOK for substance from cons. I’ve no interest to buy anything they have for sale.

  173. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Leave some fish for me Anti.
    —————————-

    Absolutely.

  174. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
    Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D) apologizes over use of N-word, but slip may cost her against Sen. Gillibrand

    ———————–

    At least she didn’t say “knappy headed ho”.

  175. Political_mama
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/07/rep_maloney_and_the_n-word.php

    She was quoting what someone else had said.

  176. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Maloney, isn’t she the gun-banning Demo?

    Oh never mind, most the Dems are gun banners.

  177. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    She was quoting what someone else had said.
    ===========================================

    Repeating racist jokes is no excuse.

  178. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink
    “WASHINGTON — Gun control proponents scored a rare victory as the Senate rejected the carrying of concealed weapons across state lines.” [posted by Johnson]

    First, I would highly suspect that the gun people will challenge this in Court…

    Second, given the SCOTUS’ position on gun rights, I highly suspect the Senate will be over-ruled.
    —————–

    Over-ruled? By whom? How?

  179. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Frustrated N.J. Transgender Teacher to Retire

    Wednesday, July 22, 2009
    Associated Press

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534408,00.html?test=latestnews

    Sounds like an OPPORTUNITY for someone who is hard-up, like Blue Jay.

  180. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:32 pm | Permalink
    She was quoting what someone else had said.
    ===========================================

    Repeating racist jokes is no excuse.
    —————————–

    I would suspect Sen. Byrd said the N word a few times.

    Repeating what he said would be OK, according to Lib Pmom logic.

  181. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Hey, if the KKK said it, then Pmom thinks it would be A-OK to repeat it.

  182. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay used to post in one syllable words.

    Now that he’s read Thomas Frank, he’s using words like ‘opine.’

    He’s even lost his overly think belly!

    Well, maybe not the latter…

  183. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Darn it, they”ve made the archives a lot more tiresome to navigate. I was gonna go find an early GMC detonation.

  184. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
    “JimJohnson” –

    Was that a “gun-rights” bill or a “states’ rights” bill.

    Why do you hate states’ rights?
    —————-

    Gosh Monkey, are you saying States have the right to overrule the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution?

    Ok, then Kansas decides the 1st Amendment conflicts with a State right, so is that OK?

  185. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Kansas could decide to bring back Slavery.

    That would be a State Right, right Monkey?

  186. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    “BlueJay used to post in one syllable words”

    He still does, as ever when the occasion arises.

    Gimp.

  187. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Another Government over-reach at power: Ban Hot Dogs!

    Anti-Meat Group: Your Oscar Mayer Needs a Warning Label

    Wednesday, July 22, 2009

    NEWARK, N.J. — Hot dogs may be as American as baseball and apple pie, but an anti-meat advocacy group says they’re hazardous to your health and should carry warning labels.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534427,00.html?test=latestnews

    (We need MORE Government R E G U L A T I O N !!!!!)

  188. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Just what in the HE!! are you ragging on me about now?? I mean, I just SAID that I suspect the SCOTUS would reject the “control” law passed by the Senate…

    ===================

    What LAW was passed by the Senate?

  189. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Heckler
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
    Heard during the reciprocity debate.

    UPDATE: Coburn just said he would support the Dems in the states right argument if they’d agree to a bill on enumerated powers and restoring the 10th Amendment. Think there will be any takers?
    ————

    THAT would be the day!

  190. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    cosmos_originally
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
    LOL!

    soldevvb seems to incorrectly believe that M & M’s flawed attack on MBH98 also refutes all of the later reconstructions that all have characteristics similar to MBH98.

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html

    Way to go, soldevvb! You’re an excellent example of an AGW science denier.
    ————

    That’s really funny!

  191. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 9:24 pm | Permalink
    I have no idea how long you have been reading/posting here Agnatha. So I don’t know how much of GMC’s history you know.
    ————-

    Funny how you attack GMC while you know he hasn’t posted for hours.

    You accuse others of waiting until YOU are gone (which is never) to post attacks on you.

    As for yourself, hypocrite thy be.

  192. Political_mama
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I oppose banning weiners.

    Trying to paint liberals as racist, when that is the republican mantra, is pretty funny really.

    Byrd abandoned and has apologized for his young ignorant ways. If he was caught using the N word that would be the end of him now.

  193. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Trying to paint liberals who use the N word is pretty funny?

    Thanks Pmom for the great laugh of the day.

  194. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Wow. I had no idea I’d be the center of attention just because MH is dying to shut me up so desperately. I take that as a compliment, MH. I understand you deny that; of course you do. We just know better. On the occasion you demonstrate any real understanding of just what I do, or I am answerable to you for every minute I spend, I’ll worry about it.

    I don’t think I need to worry.

    So you go right on demonstrating that the concept of walking and chewing gum simultaneously is a foreign one to you. I don’t mind.

    JR is still imagining himself somehow relevant. How quaint.

    As to others, thanks for the kind words. I will continue to respond when a subject interests me, and do my best to deal with substantive issues and avoid personal attacks, the terminal hate and snarkiness from the left notwithstanding.

  195. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Geez all the cons wanna be GMC’s mom.

  196. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    I’ll take that apology in engraved form there “jim”.

    GMC had a hint he was gonna be the subject. That GUARANTEED that we would hear from him. Ya get to know a pompous egomaniac.

  197. ANTI
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    JR is still imagining himself somehow relevant. How quaint.
    ====================================

    LMFAO!

    So true,

    Thanks GMC, I needed a good laugh!

  198. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Weiners are one of the basic food groups…

  199. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink
    Geez all the cons wanna be GMC’s mom.
    ———–

    Oh GMC has demonstrated he can take care of himself.

    BJ, can you?

  200. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m still waiting for Chas to answer how the SCOTUS can overturn a Bill that was defeated by the Senate.

    Anyone have any idea why that hasn’t happened yet?

  201. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    You won’t find ME switching MY nic “JimJohnson”.

  202. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Take what as an apology BJ?

    You must not see those directed your way very often.

  203. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    We actually had a name on GMC at one time.

    I didn’t commit it to memory though.

    Imagine that.

  204. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Permalink
    You won’t find ME switching MY nic “JimJohnson”.
    —————–

    OK, JR, whatever you say!

  205. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:19 pm | Permalink
    We actually had a name on GMC at one time.

    I didn’t commit it to memory though.

    Imagine that.
    ————

    If you can’t win a written argument with him, then by all means, violate WE Blog rules and threaten to expose his personal information.

    Or, invite him to meet with you.

  206. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    And a good question was posed, Chas: Just what law was passed that you referred to? (Hint – the Senate declined to pass CC reciprocity)

  207. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    You won’t find me switching my nic unless a con (Hank Price) whines about the forum, gets the sign in changed, and J R is not available.

    But I never made any secret of it “Jim”

    And you?

  208. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    “Or, invite him to meet with you.”‘

    Thanks, I’ve already met him. He was forgettable in person too.

  209. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Well BJ, I never make it a point to reveal my identity, do you?

    Please list your name, address, and phone number if THAT is your point.

    BTW, do you HAVE a point?

  210. writerdog
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    LOL my wife has always said that if I was left alone. As long as I had a loaf of bread and a package of hot dogs. She knows I would not starve. Such simple taste, Ok I am a lazy cook!

  211. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Chas posted at 10:14 and left.

    He’s shown a surprising lack of interest in discussing the SCOTUS overturning the Senate’s defeat of the nationwide concealed carry Bill, for some reason.

  212. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Hot Dogs are good, as long as the Government puts a warning label on them telling you they are bad.

  213. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    You should see the warning labels on cigarettes in some countries in Europe.

    They are much more direct, and scary.

    That’s why a larger percentage of Europeans smoke, as compared to Americans.

    Those scary labels apparently have an effect that was quite the opposite of what was intended.

  214. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    chili dogs – bad for me – but most excellent for the taste buds. :)

  215. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Cigarette Warning Labels overseas:

    http://tobacco.health.usyd.edu.au/site/supersite/resources/docs/gallery_packwarnings.htm

  216. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    More European Smoking Warning Labels:

    http://www.smoke-free.ca/warnings/Europe%20-%20warnings.htm

  217. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    GMC is forgettable in person and in posting there “Jim”.

    You’re just plain forgettable.

  218. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Ok, forget me then BJ.

    As for GMC, he’s had some of the best posts I ever saw on this blog.

    BJ, please post some of your best here so that I might have a point of comparison.

    Perhaps I have yet to see your bright side.

  219. writerdog
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I pay attention to the warning labels on my cigarette package. Do not smoke while pregnant!
    every time I read it make me want to tell the government to quit Fooking with me and raising the taxes on my cigarettes!

  220. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Ok, I realize JR, it may take some time to find your most eloquent posts, so I’ll check back in a while.

  221. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Say JR, how about that post where you were going to Save The World, or something like that.

    Can you find that one for me?

    Thanks, in advance.

  222. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    JR, I’ll check back later.

    I realize you have so many posts to search thru, to find the most eloquent ones.

    It will take some time to find the best ones.

  223. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Mmmm – Chili Cheese Coneys, with jalapenos and onions. Nearly the perfect food.

    Deliciously bad for me. Excellent.

    And then there’s this irony, lost, I’m sure, on JR:
    Thanks, I’ve already met him. He was forgettable in person too.

    Given his obvious fascination with me, it turns out JR finds me anything but forgettable. And it appears that he doesn’t like me! Hmmmmmm. That’s hardly shocking, I suppose, JR hates most everything and everybody. It’s his stock in trade.

    What I find most interesting is that I’m being attacked on a day when I largely agreed with one of the blog’s more liberal posters! And they say it’s not personal . . . . .

  224. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Yeah writerdog, when you get pregnant, I sure hope you quite smoking.

  225. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Quite?

    Ok, Q U I T.

  226. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    “As for GMC, he’s had some of the best posts I ever saw on this blog.”

    Well, there’s no accounting for taste.

    Or really much of anything else from ya “Jim”.

    How about you go and get “Gsheridan” or “Max” or whoever you used to be but ran away from and get on back to me?

  227. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Say BJ, I remember you posted something great about Self-Reliance.

    Do you think you could find that particular post for me?

  228. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Senate failed to pass a CC gun law…

    My comment still holds… I suspect one of the gun groups will challenge that in Court… I also suspect that the SCOTUS will reverse the Senate… based on their previous 2nd Amendment rulings…

    Like I said before GMC, what the he!! are you bit*hing about?? Looks to me like I am taking the side of the 2nd Amendment…

    So back off, why dont you??

  229. writerdog
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    I had brats for lunch and chili dogs for supper, man I was like the drunk debutante who woke up surrounded
    by the entire football team. She proclaimed “ I am in wiener heaven!” OH that is badddd!

  230. BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Yeah “Jim”?

    Around here, I crack the whip you make the trip.

  231. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink
    Senate failed to pass a CC gun law…

    My comment still holds… I suspect one of the gun groups will challenge that in Court… I also suspect that the SCOTUS will reverse the Senate… based on their previous 2nd Amendment rulings…
    —————-

    Can you help me understand how the SCOTUS can reverse the Senate’s vote to defeat a nationwide concealed carry Bill?

  232. writerdog
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Yeah writerdog, when you get pregnant, I sure hope you quite smoking.
    Heee I get pregnant to heck with smoking I will make a million dollars!

  233. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Self-Reliance is when you are taken out on your first Snipe hunt and have said Snipe in a bag when you walk back to the camp site. :)

  234. Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Well, for starters, because I suspect some of the gun groups will challenge the Senate vote… which will eventually result in a decision by SCOTUS…

    Why would you be arguing with me on this?? Just because you cant help yourself??? LOL

  235. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and BJ, “that little whip” you mention, if there is one, it is not evident on this blog.

    It may be evident in your little PC room where you hide away 16 hours/day.

  236. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink
    Well, for starters, because I suspect some of the gun groups will challenge the Senate vote… which will eventually result in a decision by SCOTUS…
    —————

    Chas, we appear on the same side on this issue, strangely enough, but how can a gun group challenge the defeat of a Bill by the Senate, based on Constitutional grounds?

  237. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Well, for starters, because I suspect some of the gun groups will challenge the Senate vote…

    And just what legal theory will be advocated to challenge a law that does not exist?

    And explain, please, how your position is “taking the side of the 2nd Amendment”?

    This should be fun, folks . . . . .

  238. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    heh heh

  239. writerdog
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    SCOTUS only actually stated that the Federal government could not infringe on the 2nd amendment.
    But the way it works is that a state can not make a law that is less restrictive such as legalizing something the fed makes illegal. But a state can make a law that is more restrictive then the federal law.
    In Constitutional concerns when ever it said “Government” it refers to the federal government.

  240. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Actually got a call from the NRA today, but it was during supper preparation, so had to politely decline.

    I suppose it was relate to the recent defeat in the Senate of the interstate C%C legislation.

  241. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Regular, I’ve enjoyed many Snipe hunts.

    A snipe is any of nearly 20 wading bird species in three genera in the family Scolopacidae. They are characterized by a very long, slender bill and cryptic plumage.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe

    BTW, did you know that the difficulties involved in hunting snipe gave rise to the term “sniper”?

  242. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    related too

  243. Regular
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    #
    JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Regular, I’ve enjoyed many Snipe hunts.

    A snipe is any of nearly 20 wading bird species in three genera in the family Scolopacidae. They are characterized by a very long, slender bill and cryptic plumage.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe

    BTW, did you know that the difficulties involved in hunting snipe gave rise to the term “sniper”?
    ————————————-
    Actually didn’t capture a Snipe, but did capture a small garter snake which I threw in the tent of one of the main planners.

    Be he never knew tent flaps were so impenetrable. :)

  244. Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    GMC — you’re the legal brains here… Why dont you enlighten us?? Cause I dont think that the Senate should be able to keep people with the proper license from CC to any other state…

    What say you??

  245. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Some little known info on Snipe, from the Kansas Dept of Wildlife:

    http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/news/Hunting/Migratory-Birds/Snipe

    Snipe
    To buy your HIP Stamp, CLICK HERE.

    Wilson’s snipe (formerly known as common snipe) is a large shorebird (about 10.5 inches long, 3.7 oz) and one of two shorebird species that can be hunted in Kansas. Like other shorebirds, this species prefers to forage on mudflats and in water less than three inches deep in wetlands and along shorelines. Unlike most other shorebirds, common snipe frequently feed at vegetated sites. They use their 2 to 3-inch long bill to probe into the mud for animal foods such as aquatic insect larvae and earthworms.

    Snipe nest in Canada and the northern tier of U.S. states. They begin arriving in Kansas during late summer and can remain throughout the winter.

    Cheyenne Bottoms and other shallow marshes are the primary snipe hunting areas in Kansas. Snipe hunting is physically challenging because hunters wade or slog through often mucky areas to flush snipe. Just getting off a shot is difficult at times because it’s hard to keep from falling down while swinging the gun in response to their erratic, fast flight. Many a shot is not taken because the hunter is off balance and doesn’t want to fall in the mud.

    Snipe hunters need to be proficient in wetland bird identification to make sure they do not accidentally shoot similar-looking species that are protected. Yellowlegs (greater and lesser) and dowitchers (long-billed and short-billed) are the four species most similar in appearance and size to snipe. Color patterns, flight, and call are the best characteristics for distinguishing snipe from look-alike species.

    Color – The two yellowlegs species have a white rump patch and the dowitchers have a white stripe that runs from the rump to the middle of the back. A snipe doesn’t have any white on its back.

    Flight – Snipe fly in a zig-zag pattern and more powerfully than yellowlegs and dowitchers. Dowitchers and yellowlegs tend to fly in a straight line.

    Call – Snipe tend to give a single-note call when flushed, while dowitchers and yellowlegs typically give multiple-note calls.

  246. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    COMMON SNIPE

    Season: Sept. 1-Dec. 16
    Area Open: Statewide

    Daily Bag Limit: 8

    Possession Limit: 16

    Stamps Required: See “Licenses/Stamps”
    on Page 22

    ==========================

    FALCONRY

    Season: Same as regular seasons

    High Plains Extended Season: None

    Early Zone Extended Season: Feb. 25-March 10, 2009

    Late Zone Extended Season: Feb. 25-March 10, 2009

    Daily Bag Limit: No more than three migratory birds, including coot, dove, rail, crow, snipe, woodcock, and any migratory species – in combination such as one dove, one duck, and one woodcock or three doves.

    (Falconers may not exceed other limits on migratory birds. Be sure to check bag limits in this summary.)

    http://kdwp.state.ks.us/news/other_services/law_enforcement/regulations

  247. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 10:46 pm | Permalink
    Yeah “Jim”?

    Around here, I crack the whip you make the trip.
    —————–

    “Here” being cyberspace, little words typed in a blog while sitting on your a $$ at home in front of your PC.

    I find it ironic that you are among those who claim GMC is posting on a blog while at work, alledgedly at some government job, while YOU admitedly receive Government support (at least for your kid) and sit at home and post on a blog for nearly 16 hours per day.

  248. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Gosh, I bet there are lots of other Bills defeated by the Senate, and even the House, which would have been laws required by the Constitution.

  249. JimJohnson
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Say BJ are you STILL searching for one of your great eloquent posts?

    I’ll check back tomorrow. Maybe you’ll find one by then.

  250. GMC70
    Posted July 22, 2009 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Your claim, Chas, not mine. Your burden, not mine.

    Good luck. You’ll need it.

  251. CapnAmerica
    Posted July 23, 2009 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    In the voice of Rodney King, “Why can’t we all just get along?”

    Personal attacks seems to be the main form of entertainment for us old-time bloggers.

    But one doesn’t see a lot of new post-ers, does one.

    Nor does one see much of a lot of post-ers who used to be on all the time, people like StevenDavis, KSfrmgrrl, LindainKS, Apopis on the left and RightAngle, GSheridan, CindyDuckett, KSMedowlark on the right or VTolle (moderate). Even the Prices aren’t on like they used to be.

    A non-stop insult-fest is not to most people’s tastes. And the blame should be placed exactly where it belongs–the non-moderated format of the WEBlog.

    This blog is exactly what one expects it would be given almost zero oversight.

  252. CapnAmerica
    Posted July 23, 2009 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    What would driving be like if no one enforced traffic laws?

    That’s what this Blog is.

    It’s not surprising that a lot of folks don’t want to participate in a forum that will subject them to the kind of abuse that participants routinely inflict on one another.

  253. BlueJay
    Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    All due respects Capn but you don’t have to stay.

    I hope you do. But this is NOT the time to play nice.

    Oh and “Jim”? The only blogger here on Government support is your own James “Regular among many other nics” McCluer.

  254. BlueJay
    Posted July 23, 2009 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    You can lament the loss of posters like Cindy the scold Duckett or the vile Price’s all you like Capn.

    Their absence is not an absence of their malice.

  255. Posted July 23, 2009 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Amazing how all you die-hard state’s righters are upset about states exercising their right to not recognize CC permits form other states, possibly ones with lower standards for CC. NOW you want those hated feds to help ya out, and for some reason they haven’t! Isn’t it just too bad?

  256. Posted August 12, 2009 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    I never vote for anyone; I always vote against.