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Amazing 65 million year old transitional fossil of a sea urchin found. It’s so well preserved in detail after all these years. Another great scientific discovery. How you creationists coming along finding those fossils of unicorns at the Garden of Eden coming along?
http://richarddawkins.net/article,4061,n,n
…”This has been Ms. Palin’s assigned role ever since she stepped on the national stage last summer. Indeed, she has stuck to it so unswervingly that one suspects it was settled on even before she was picked for the VP slot, that it was imposed on her by a roomful of GOP image consultants: Ms. Palin was to be the candidate on a cross.”
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Poor, Persecuted Sarah Palin
The GOP embraces the culture of victimhood.
July 15,2009
By THOMAS FRANK
Indeed, if political figures stand for ideas, victimization is what Ms. Palin is all about. It is her brand, her myth. Ronald Reagan stood tall. John McCain was about service. Barack Obama has hope. Sarah Palin is a collector of grievances. She runs for high office by griping.
This is no small thing, mind you. The piling-up of petty complaints is an important aspect of conservative movement culture. For those who believe that American life consists of the trampling of Middle America by the “elites” — that our culture is one big insult to the pious and the patriotic and the traditional — Sarah Palin’s long list of unfair and disrespectful treatment is one of her most attractive features. Like Oliver North, Robert Bork, and Clarence Thomas, she is known not for her ideas but as a martyr, a symbol of the culture-war crimes of the left.
To become a symbol of this stature Ms. Palin has had to do the opposite of most public figures. Where others learn to take hostility in stride, she and her fans have developed the thinnest of skins. They find offense in the most harmless remarks and diabolical calculation in the inflections of the anchorman’s voice. They take insults out of context to make them seem even more insulting. They pay close attention to voices that are ordinarily ignored, relishing every blogger’s sneer, every celebrity’s slight, every crazy Internet rumor. …
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124761930140242533.html
Thomas Frank, “What’s wrong with (you misunderstood people in) Kansas?” Now Frank says, “What’s wrong with Sarah Palin?” Frankly a pattern seems to be developing.
Pedant – I see another pattern developing…what’s your fascination with Palin? You’re starting to sound like Cosmo on AGW.
But you also seem to have a thing for Thomas Frank, but since he feels that:
” Sarah Palin is a collector of grievances. She runs for high office by griping.”
I can only assume that this means you’re sick and tired of ALL identity politics, no? Or is it just really, really cool when it’s Dem groups, who exist for no other reason than to cry about grievances, get free goodies for their efforts?
‘Put nothing in writing,’ Browner told auto execs on secret White House CAFE talks; Sensenbrenner wants investigation
By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
07/08/09 5:52 PM EDT
Carol Browner, former Clinton administration EPA head and current Obama White House climate czar, instructed auto industry execs “to put nothing in writing, ever” regarding secret negotiations she orchestrated regarding a deal to increase federal Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards.
Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-WI, is demanding a congressional investigation of Browner’s conduct in the CAFE talks, saying in a letter to Rep. Henry Waxman, D-CA, that Browner “intended to leave little or no documentation of the deliberations that lead to stringent new CAFE standards.”
Federal law requires officials to preserve documents concerning significant policy decisions, so instructing participants in a policy negotation concerning a major federal policy change could be viewed as a criminal act.
Waxman is chairman of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming. Sensenbrenner is the ranking Republican member of the panel.
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It would appear the Obama administration has a problem with one of it’s czars. Not preserving documents from these secret meetings is a criminal act. “Put nothing in writing” should be enough.
Start the investigations today. I think the summer break should be canceled so this can be looked at right away.
Sanford’s a First Class act.
“COLUMBIA, S.C. – South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford shed his fiscal conservatism on several taxpayer-funded international trips, including a South American jaunt that included time with his mistress, choosing expensive first-class or business-class seats while his aides sat in coach.
Sanford, who once criticized other state officials for costly travel, charged the state more than $37,600 for one first-class and four business-class flights overseas since November 2005, expense records show. Other state employees flew in the back of the plane at a fraction of the price, according to the documents.
The Republican governor, who balked at taking federal stimulus money after arguing it was an unwise use of taxpayer funds, charged the state $8,687 for a Delta Airlines trip to Brazil last year that included a leg in business class, state expense records show.
That trip ended with the governor’s now well-publicized visit to his Argentine mistress, Maria Belen Chapur, and marked what he says was the start of a nearly year-long sexual affair with the woman he’s called his “soul mate.”
Other state employees spent less than $2,000 each on economy seats for the Brazil flight, according to the records, released by two state agencies under South Carolina’s Freedom of Information Act.
You want the notes? Hell, we still don’t even know who attended the energy policy writing for the U.S., from yrs. ago.
Phantom you get no disagreement from me about Sanford. Kick the bum out even if the dems thought it was ok when the POTUS was a bigger cad.
As for the secret meetings you referenced – we didn’t get the notes from Hillaries secret health care meetings – but that was then and this is now. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Start the hearing today.
Amazing 15 year old Christian home-schooled kid raised by fundamentalist parents doesn’t have a driver’s license, but thinks he can circumnavigate the globe solo on a small sailboat.
No sponsors to start, he buys an old boat with Judeo-Christian-ethic hard-earned after-school and summer work money, and with Christian dad, they spend a year refurbishing it.
Set’s sail at age 16 from Los Angeles, still not having a driver’s license.
He meets people of diverse cultures, including one small Pacific island nation’s president, and finds the common bonds that make humanity a wondrous thing.
He battles epic storms that break a boom rendering his mainsail useless, so he covers 600 miles in the Indian ocean with only a jury-rigged jib, his rudder tiller is cracked, so he jury-rigs a clamp that just barely works, and a rogue wave out of nowhere in calm conditions nearly knocks him off his boat and fries his onboard electronics.
Deals with a mysterious “fishing boat” undetected by radar that doesn’t respond to radio hailing, but follows him for hours as he goes through evasive course-changes, but peels away only after he sends out an emergency SOS call responded to by Australian navy. Becalmed for days in the equatorial doldrums.
He dodges huge freighters including one behemoth running on autopilot whose crew has gone to sleep with no one keeping watch (illegal), that he can’t evade except by using his motor, which will disqualify his sail-only quest, but manages to miss the ship by some 400 yards in nearly unsailable minimal-wind conditions.
He goes through days and weeks of catching only 30 minute cat naps around the clock, and staying fully awake for 48 hours straight a few times.
He prevails, thanks to a far greater understanding of nature’s forces than your loud-mouthed middle school “science expert” teacher, grit and determination to persist against incredible odds that would cause most people to fold, a family willing to make sacrifices, including a dad who flew out to several places to help with repairs, and tons of prayer by the sailor, family and thousands of vigilant prayer-watch well-wishers.
13 months after setting off, he returns to home-port, becoming the youngest person to ever sail around the world alone. In completing his quest he joins a fraternity of men and women that is smaller than the number of people who have gone into space.
THAT’s amazing.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-zac-sunderland17-2009jul17,0,3460856.story
Correction: easily evade. He masterfully misses the ship on sail power alone
His fundie parents probably just commended him to God’s hands, whatever happens, happens.
Other news on the home-school front. In May home-schooled student Jphn Collinson became the youngest person to scale all 7 of the world’s highest peaks per continent in one year when he completed his quest by reaching the top of Everest at age 17.
As the sailor Zac Sunderland said yesterday, “Between the age of 15 and 18, schools keep kids in a box. People need to learn to think and live outside the box.”
On the Christian front, Albert Pujols, an amazing baseball player, humbly thanked God for his success in a Tuesday All-Star Game interview.
“Sojouner” –
What success in the All Star Game?
Pujols went 0 for 3.
Thanks, Jesus.
Thanks a bunch.
I see the party of tolerance is once again shutting off dissent. What else is new?
Check out today’s back page Eagle: “Democrats cut debate to avoid certain issues” reads the headline; it turns out that to avoid having to cast painful votes, to protect their members, the democratic leadership is clamping down.
Wanna express dissent to the “concensus?” Don’t even think about it.
Read it. Try to defend it.
If this had been the Republican leadership doing the same thing, would it be back page? No. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
Here’s how the corporat world works:
From Eagle article:
“Onex e-mails discussed reducing age of work force, court documents say
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By ROXANA HEGEMAN
Associated Press
Before buying Boeing Co.’ s commercial airplane operations in Kansas and Oklahoma, Onex Corp. discussed in e-mails plans to reduce the age of the work force to cut costs, according to recently released court documents in an age-discrimination lawsuit.
Former Boeing workers have sued Boeing and Spirit AeroSystems Inc., the subsidiary Onex formed to run the commercial aircraft operations in Wichita, Tulsa and McAlester, Okla. The workers claim they lost their jobs because of their age.
This week, lawyers for the workers filed documents to back up their request for class-action status. The documents included depositions and internal company memos that the plaintiffs say show that Spirit cut older workers using a “selective rehire” process in which all Boeing employees were laid off and forced to reapply for their jobs with the new company.
One memo Onex, a Canadian investment conglomerate, presented to its board of directors to support the purchase noted that the Boeing work force was “older and more expensive” than the work force the new company would have.
Employees ages 45 to 54 were considered the most expensive, company memos show.
“We are moving from a demographically expensive population towards one that should be cheaper,” Spirit said in one internal document.
The court documents also indicate that when Boeing was trying to sell the division, it marketed potential cost savings prospective buyers could expect by reducing the number of workers. Onex finalized its purchase of the division in June 2005.
Spokespeople at the companies have declined to comment on this week’s filing, and calls to their defense attorneys have not been returned. But in earlier court documents, Boeing and Spirit denied any employment decisions were based on age.
Bob Brewer, Midwest director for the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace, said Thursday that the companies were playing with people’s lives and careers for a few dollars.
When Boeing sold the Kansas and Oklahoma operations, it laid off all 9,300 workers. Onex then asked people to reapply for their jobs. At the time, Onex, which is not part of the lawsuit, said it had hired more than 8,000 former Boeing workers.
Spirit said in its own court filing that it expected “non-discriminatory hiring practices” would result in a work force with an average age closer to that of other aerospace employers.
During Monday’s mark-up of the Health coverage reform bill, Senator Dodd offered to accept all 64 GOP amendments.
“At the opening of Monday’s hearing, Sen. Dodd asked Sen. Enzi (R-WY), the ranking Republican on the committee, if he would agree to accept by unanimous consent a total of 64 Republican amendments. After a whisper from an aide, Enzi, a little perplexed and not a little embarrassed, refused to allow the 64 Republican amendments to be accepted, lowering his voice to mumble, “I think some of our members want votes on some of those.” Dodd’s visible exasperation and disbelief is priceless.
Watch it here –
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/how-senate-republicans-obstruct-health-care
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okobserver
Posted July 17, 2009 at 7:37 am | Permalink
It would appear the Obama administration has a problem with one of it’s czars. Not preserving documents from these secret meetings is a criminal act. “Put nothing in writing” should be enough.
Start the investigations today. I think the summer break should be canceled so this can be looked at right away.
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Creating and then not preserving documents would be a criminal act. I saw nothing in the words that you posted to indicate that this occurred. What would you and Rep. Sensenbrenner have Congress investigate?
Thomas Frank doesn’t matter.
That was funny, wanting to block their own ammendments, guess when you’re the party of no, that means not to your own submittals.
Please tell me this isn’t what GMC was whining about!
Mr. Chairman I object to accepting my ammendment with out a vote, it was obviously written by an idiot without a clue! It must be voted on.
CODY, Wyoming — A man says he used his chainsaw to fight off a starving mountain lion that attacked him while he was camping in the Shoshone National Forest.
Ex-Marine Dustin Britton says he raised the chainsaw he had been using to cut brush and inflicted a gash on the 100-pound lion’s shoulder.
The animal retreated, leaving Britton with a small puncture wound on his forearm. Wildlife agents later shot the lion after it attacked a dog brought in to track the animal.
The incident occurred Sunday evening at a campsite 27 miles west of Cody. Authorities say the lion was in poor physical condition.
Wyoming Game and Fish spokesman Warren Mischke says lion attacks on humans are rare.
AP
“Phantom” poses –
“Please tell me this isn’t what GMC was whining about!”
Can’t do it, “Phantom.”
And “GMC70″ is obviously hard at work and can’t respond.
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Phantom
Posted July 17, 2009 at 8:45 am | Permalink
Please tell me this isn’t what GMC was whining about!
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Whining about?!?
GMC70 has uncovered incontrovertible evidence of the Librul Mainstream Media Conspiracy!
An article which may have shed the Dimmocrats in an unfavorable light, mainly to the 22 percenters, was relegated to the back page of the The Wichita Eagle.
“Wanna express dissent to the “concensus?” Don’t even think about it.
Read it. Try to defend it. ”
No need to defend it. I applaud it.
Want me to listen to you?
Say something I want to hear.
“Green energy” at its finest…corpse chomping military robots…
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=6914617&referralPlaylistId=playlist
DFB,
If you people didn’t deny climate science, I wouldn’t have to make posts about AGW science.
‘James Hansen on Climate Tipping Points and Political Leadership‘
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20090715/james-hansen-climate-tipping-points-and-political-leadership
“loud-mouthed middle school “science expert” teacher” LOL! Please try to get over your childhood traumas!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/07/17/am.muller.truck.ak47.cnn
Lovely day for an AK
That dude was alright reasoning until he mentioned the tragic death of the Florida couple with special needs children as fodder for his asinine reasoning.
A shotgun is better home protection than an AK and it can be used for hunting purposes. That is reasonable.
No freaking reason AK’s should be sold retail or to “collectors”
Cos – if you posted anything even the slightest bit unbiased by ideology disguised as science, I wouldn’t have to be a “denier!!!”.
You know, since places like Venice who are supposed be about 10′ under water now according to your other unbiased hero Gore…aren’t. Scientifically, that’s my “control”.
And remind me again about your theory about how the world will jump on the House bandwagon and sign up for cap & tax…what was China/India/Russia’s response at the G-8 again? Riddle me this, is the world’s environment better off with the US being economically strong with a voice, or China/India/Russia/Middle East crushing everyone else?
Isn’t James Hansen a government employee? Why is Hansen talking about political leadership? I think Hansen needs to be demoted to mail room.
Cos – so do you have a problem with the corpse digesting robot’s carbon footprint?
On this date, Jul 17th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 110 °F (1980)
Low: 57 °F (1900)
Sojourner posted July 17, 2009 at 8:08 am
On the Christian front, Albert Pujols, an amazing baseball player, humbly thanked God for his success in a Tuesday All-Star Game interview.
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Opposing players humbly thanked God for their failure.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/would-health-care-surtax-be-disastrous/#comment-620932
Ummm NO idiot…. What I stated very clearly is that a congregation seeking a resident Pastor must agree to provide a minimum of HALF of health insurance premiums, as well as the Minimum amount of pension dues….
I couldnt refuse to accept a Call at a Congregation that didnt agree to pay those benefits… because that congregation wouldnt even be listed… Thus, I wouldnt know it was in the search process for a resident pastor… Is that beyond your level of comprehension?? Cause it sure looks like it… I already told you before you dont have a CLUE what you are talking about…
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So then let me get this straight chass, the organization you chose to work for won’t even recognize a community if they can’t afford your benefits?
In chass’s world, you have to pay to pray.
DFB posted July 17, 2009 at 9:28 am
You know, since places like Venice who[sic] are supposed be about 10? under water now according to your other unbiased hero Gore…aren’t. Scientifically, that’s my “control”.
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DFB,
Since that’s your scientific “control”, post your proof that Al Gore said that “places like Venice who[sic] are supposed be about 10? under water now“.
DFB supports his denial of science with lies.
DFB,
Or else explain why you believe that the word “if” used a few years ago means a specific time, like ‘by the year 2009′.
Palin obviously scares the poop out of the LIBs, otherwise they wouldn’t STILL be jabbering on about her 8 months after the election.
“So then let me get this straight chass, the organization you chose to work for won’t even recognize a community if they can’t afford your benefits?” [the Troll SOL]
NO, idiot… It means they dont appear on the list for Resident Pastors…. just like I already told you more than once… Get some coffee, and get your freakin brain in gear… I know it is hard for you, but do try to keep up, and stop SPINNING what was not said….
Look, fool… I dont compile the list of congregations seeking Resident Pators… That is done by Conference Staff… Churches that cant or wont provide the minimum amounts for health insurance and pension dues, are not LISTED…. They are on a different list… kept in the Conference Office…. Damn, you’re dumb!!!
They are on a different list
Damn, you’re dumb!!!
And the average layperson would know this how? And people pay for the tripe you sell?
I think I am starting to understand how you work this. You only choose the parishes from the list that can pay your benefits. You don’t look at the need of the parish, just the ability to pay your benefits?
Chass, “Ya gotsta PAY to PRAY!”
Again our resident preacher pulls a “Jeremiah Wright.” The way he defends Obama and uses such profanity.
Is he your mentor chazz? Do you also preach “Black Liberation Theology”? Just a simple “yes” or “no” will suffice with lower case letters.
Red Tape slow stimulus spending. I bet it would be the same if the government gets Universal Health Care and I hope they don’t.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31910717/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/
“SolDevVB” squirms –
“And the average layperson would know this how?”
Then he proceeds to claim he knows what he’s talking about.
C’mon, “SolDevVB.”
You’re not bringing your A game this morning.
NO, idiot
Look, fool
Damn, you’re dumb!!!
Just wondering, what is the going rate for your profession for the above gems? What would you charge a “relatively poor congregation” for the wonderment of the above?
Then he proceeds to claim he knows what he’s talking about.
Can you cut/paste what backs this up?
You’re not bringing your A game this morning.
With chass, just showing up is an automatic win.
donndublin,
Can’t you even explain/defend your own point?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/any-hope-for-global-warming-agreement/#comment-620199
SOL —
Once again, you post intentional LIES…
The only congregations I CAN choose to submit my Profile to, are those who have made agreements with the Conference to pay MINIMUM amounts toward health insurance and pension…
That is because — now pay attention — Those congregations are the ONLY ONES that are listed…. I dont CHOOSE which congregations are listed… The Conference makes that list…
And one more time: A “relatively poor” congregation has nothing to do with the INCOMES of the members…. It has to do with the congregation’s budget size….
WHY do you insist on snarking and lying on something you so obviously know NOTHING about??
Oh yea, Pastors do not submit Profiles to the congregations directly… Pators contact a Conferrence office about a particular congregtion, and the Conference Executive then submits the pastors Profile….
But, I waste my time, since you dont seem to understand denominational protocols…. And instead choose to LIE about something which you know nothing about…
http://www.breitbart.tv/god-awful-black-chamber-of-commerce-ceo-rips-sen-boxer-for-condescending-racial-remarks/
LOL!
This deserves a thread!
“Chas” asks “SolDevVB” –
“WHY do you insist on snarking and lying on something you so obviously know NOTHING about??
It’s a habit.
SOL — I am still waiting for your definition of what a “good” job is… Are you afraid to post that definition?? Looks like all you are capable of is deflect, distract, and disrupt….
For some reason, I am now thinking of Swiss cheese.
Churches that cant or wont provide the minimum amounts for health insurance and pension dues, are not LISTED…. They are on a different list… kept in the Conference Office
So the poor and actually, you know –needy- congregations get put on some special list that is tucked away in the “Conference Office”. OK.
Those congregations are the ONLY ONES that are listed
So which is it? The congregations that can’t pay get listed or they don’t. So who are on the list that gets tucked away in the “Conference Office”?
The only congregations I CAN choose to submit my Profile to, are those who have made agreements with the Conference to pay MINIMUM amounts toward health insurance and pension…
And that comes back to the “Ya gotsta PAY to PRAY!!!” Disregard the neediness/worthiness of the congregation, if they can’t pay up, they don’t get any chass preacherin.
Why would you chose to work for a religious organization that cares more about the money than the people? Is it because that organization is most closely aligned with your values? “Ya gotsta PAY to PRAY!!!”
Oh whoops, I forgot about this gem:
A “relatively poor” congregation has nothing to do with the INCOMES of the members…. It has to do with the congregation’s budget size….
How is the congregation’s budget funded? Wouldn’t’ that be from tithing? Doesn’t that come from the congregation’s income?
And one last bit:
And instead choose to LIE about something which you know nothing about
Please cut and paste the lie(s) chass.
donn —
no
Chas
Posted July 17, 2009 at 10:43 am | Permalink
SOL — I am still waiting for your definition of what a “good” job is
You got your dog in the wrong fight. Check the thread.
minutelady
Posted July 17, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink
That was hysterical. How many times did he say “ma’am”.
Didn’t she get her panties in a wad when a military man addressed her as “ma’am” ?
Condenscending?
Definition of a good job:
A job where you can’t wait to get up in the morning to go to because you enjoy it so much.
Lie # 1 —
“So then let me get this straight chass, the organization you chose to work for won’t even recognize a community if they can’t afford your benefits?” [the Troll SOL]
Lie # 2 –
And that comes back to the “Ya gotsta PAY to PRAY!!!” Disregard the neediness/worthiness of the congregation, if they can’t pay up, they don’t get any chass preacherin.
Why would you chose to work for a religious organization that cares more about the money than the people? Is it because that organization is most closely aligned with your values? “Ya gotsta PAY to PRAY!!!”
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You want more, go back to the LIES you posted yesterday… I’m done with your TROLLING foolishness….
You STILL avoid my question to you from yesterday….
SOL, what is your definition of a “good” job??
Lie # 1 —
“So then let me get this straight chass, the organization you chose to work for won’t even recognize a community if they can’t afford your benefits?” [the Troll SOL]
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A question is a lie chass? You whiffed on that one scooter.
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“Ya gotsta PAY to PRAY!!!”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/would-health-care-surtax-be-disastrous/#comment-620812
Denomination requirements state that any congregation that calls a resident pastor, must provide at least HALF of the health insurance premiums… and the minimum pension dues…
You whiffed on that one too scooter.
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minutelady
Posted July 17, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink
http://www.breitbart.tv/god-awful-black-chamber-of-commerce-ceo-rips-sen-boxer-for-condescending-racial-remarks/
LOL!
This deserves a thread!
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Lordy Lordy! Senator Boxer got owned for trying to play the usual politically correct Race Card
You know BrownLib won’t make a topic like that.
BTW, SOL, you mentioned “tithing” — Our congregations dont believe in “tithing” — We believe in what is called “proportional” giving… the kind of giving that the apostle Paul called for when requesting funds to be sent to the Jerusalem churches…
Not all denominations believe in “tithing” –Ours is one of those that doesnt….
BTW… a “biblical” tithe is not a mere 10%… The OT lists FOUR annual tithes of 10%, and one tithe of 10%, payable every three years… Thus, a true biblical tithe is 43 1/3% annually…
Before you attack me on that, Look It Up!!
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 17, 2009 at 10:24 am | Permalink
donndublin,
Can’t you even explain/defend your own point?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/any-hope-for-global-warming-agreement/#comment-620199
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cosMo, you are the only one who don’t get it. So I’ll make it real simple for you to since you are mentally challenged. I gave you a clue by referencing what was said at the G-8 summit a few weeks ago concerning limiting the temperature increase.
The global elitists, as expressed at the G-8 summit, think they can control the earth’s temperature and therefore have more power than mother nature.
GET IT IDIOT?
“You know BrownLib won’t make a topic like that.” [Regular]
Actually, Reg… He SHOULD….
Before you attack me on that, Look It Up!!
Please cut/paste the attack on tithing chass.
Or are you LYING?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
So how does a “relatively poor” congregation fund its budget?
“A question is a lie chass?” [SOL]
Yea, it is, stupid… especially when the question is only meant as a deflection, since the answer has already been stated previously… Damn, you’re dumb….
In court, it would be said: Asked and answered… Deal with it… “scooter”
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Regular
Posted July 17, 2009 at 11:04 am | Permalink
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minutelady
Posted July 17, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink
http://www.breitbart.tv/god-awful-black-chamber-of-commerce-ceo-rips-sen-boxer-for-condescending-racial-remarks/
LOL!
This deserves a thread!
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Lordy Lordy! Senator Boxer got owned for trying to play the usual politically correct Race Card
You know BrownLib won’t make a topic like that.
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BrownLib is only following orders from his boss Joe Goebbels. SIEG HEIL!
“Please cut/paste the attack on tithing chass.” [Sol]
Keyword: BEFORE… The statement is pre-emptive… idiot….
Re: SOL
no more soup…
DNFTLT
“So how does a “relatively poor” congregation fund its budget?” [SOL]
Asked and answered….
“So how does a “relatively poor” congregation fund its budget?” [SOL]
Asked and answered….
Really? Where? Paste a link?
Or are you just LYING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
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Chas
Posted July 17, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink
“A question is a lie chass?” [SOL]
Yea, it is, stupid… especially when the question is only meant as a deflection, since the answer has already been stated previously… Damn, you’re dumb….
In court, it would be said: Asked and answered… Deal with it… “scooter”
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chazz is again trying to make a court case out of his argument. Just like a unscrupulous trial lawyer, he thinks he has a license to lie.
It’s a good thing he flunked out of pre-law.
“DFB,
Or else explain why you believe that the word “if” used a few years ago means a specific time, like ‘by the year 2009?.”
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Did or didn’t “Gore”bechump make a movie, showing all low lying areas in the world..you know…like Venice…or Florida…covered in water according to his “models”? If guess if your scientific standard is just the application of the word “if” into the scenario then we’re in agreement, because the sentence:
“If you are wrong about ANY of your “predictions”, the insanity you’re proposing that the US take on unilaterally is dangerous to the entire planet.”
is just as powerful as your rhetoric. See, all fixed!
Well, that is of course, unless you’re cool with China/Russia being the planet’s “police” like we have been for almost a century….would that little fact be easier to digest if I used “if” for you?
And one more time: A “relatively poor” congregation has nothing to do with the INCOMES of the members…. It has to do with the congregation’s budget size.(Chass)
So you lied when you said a poor person had given you a good job. Man you are going down in my book. You are giving all ministers of your denomination a bad name.
DFB it depends on what the word ‘if’ is.
“So you lied when you said a poor person had given you a good job. Man you are going down in my book.” [okie]
NO… not a lie… I dont work for a person… I serve congregations… Once again, you attempt, poorly, to twist the words of someone with whom you disagree…
And, hey, if my denomination has a bad name in your book… YEA!! Hooray!!!
UN IPCC Scientist: ‘Natural climate change denial of the last decade is not sustainable anymore’
‘Global cooling has now been happening for so long’ even RealClimate.org now admits!
Wednesday, July 15, 2009By Marc Morano – Climate Depot
UN IPCC Scientist Richard Courtney responds to new peer-reviewed study calling climate models “fundamentally wrong.” (See: Study shakes foundation of climate theory! Reveals UN models ‘fundamentally wrong’ – Blames ‘Unknown Processes’ — not CO2 for ancient global warming – ‘Global warming: Our best guess is likely wrong’ July 14, 2009)
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1979/UN-IPCC-Scientist-Natural-climate-change-denial-of-the-last-decade-is-not-sustainable-anymore
“BTW, SOL, you mentioned “tithing” — Our congregations dont believe in “tithing” — We believe in what is called “proportional” giving… the kind of giving that the apostle Paul called for when requesting funds to be sent to the Jerusalem churches…
Not all denominations believe in “tithing” –Ours is one of those that doesnt…” [mine, upthread]
NOW, SOL, get off my case, since you obviously dont know what you are talking about….
NO… not a lie… I dont work for a person… I serve congregations…
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/would-health-care-surtax-be-disastrous/#comment-620780
Have you ever had a good paying job working for someone who’s poor?
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# 1 — First, this question has been answered by several posters… MY answer is also YES
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Oh the lies chass, the lies.
BTW, Sol — You are still dancing around the question I asked you Yesterday….
What is your definition of a “good” job??
Are you incapable of answering such a simple question??
“So how does a “relatively poor” congregation fund its budget?” [SOL]
We believe in what is called “proportional” giving
And one more time: A “relatively poor” congregation has nothing to do with the INCOMES of the members…. It has to do with the congregation’s budget size….
Do you ever have to repent for your lies chass?
donndublin posted July 17, 2009 at 11:06 am
The global elitists, as expressed at the G-8 summit, think they can control the earth’s temperature and therefore have more power than mother nature.
GET IT IDIOT?
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donndublin,
You still haven’t explained why you keep insisting that some “control” equals “more power than mother nature”.
You keep making that (false) claim, so please try to explain your claim.
Do you actually believe that the increase in radiative forcing due to anthropogenic GHG’s equals “more power than mother nature”?
No wait… I get it… MAYbe Sol doesnt have a job… That would explain a lot…
“Do you ever have to repent for your lies chass?”
WHAT lies, Sol???
What is your definition of a “good” job??
I’d have to go with Reg’s answer:
Definition of a good job:
A job where you can’t wait to get up in the morning to go to because you enjoy it so much.
SOL, what is your definition of a “good” job??
DFB posted July 17, 2009 at 11:19 am
[long, irrational, poorly-written rant]
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DFB supports his denial of science with lies and long, irrational, poorly-written rants.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-717-3/comment-page-2/#comment-621197
That’s right Sol – fundamentally wrong –
The simpletons at IPCC have put their entire stash to gamble on CO2 as the end all – cause all bogey man for climate change and have been proven wrong.
WHAT lies, Sol???
blogs.kansas dot com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-717-3/comment-page-2/#comment-621272
blogs.kansas dot com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-717-3/comment-page-2/#comment-621275
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SOL, what is your definition of a “good” job??
Asked and answered.
“Oh the lies chass, the lies.” [Sol]
Oh, how TROLLISH of you… Why do you choose to keep LYING???
As to your definition of a “good” job, I would heartily agree with you…. Why?? Because that’s the major reason I do what I do!! Every day is a new day, with new experiences, and new possibilities…. WOW, thats a great reason to work….
soldevvb psted July 17, 2009 at 11:29 am
UN IPCC Scientist Richard Courtney. . .
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soldevvb,
How long are you going to believe false statements about what that study says?
And do you have a link to the CV of “Scientist” Richard Courtney, the coal industry journal editor?
Chas appears to be in the trolling mode today, more so than usual.
Chas
DNFTT
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cosmos_originally
Posted July 17, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink
soldevvb psted July 17, 2009 at 11:29 am
UN IPCC Scientist Richard Courtney. . .
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soldevvb,
How long are you going to believe false statements about what that study says?
And do you have a link to the CV of “Scientist” Richard Courtney, the coal industry journal editor?
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How about your CV cosmos?
Since you cannot and will not supply one, everything you post here is a lie, non-credible and bogus.
Regular posted July 17, 2009 at 11:44 am
. . .
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Regular,
Do you want more soup? Or are you just posting your usual lies about AGW science?
Regular,
Do you have a link to the CV of “Scientist” Richard Courtney, the coal industry journal editor?
cosmos,
What are your academic credentials and scientific background?
Unlike yourself, I have worked in scientific research.
Oh, how TROLLISH of you… Why do you choose to keep LYING???
I bust chass out for lying. His response? Calls me a liar. Good on ya mate. Boy I hate it for your confessor.
cosmo,
Here is a link to the paper you are trying to bash.
Rice Univ.
Can’t refute the science? Attack the source.
http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=12794&SnID=2075327496
Rice University is the MIT of the South, high accredited and advanced science research.
high=highly
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=3711
“I do not believe we can determine — with any objective level of confidence — whether any of the current model projections of future warming can be believed. Any scientist who claims otherwise either has political or other non-scientific motivations, or they are simply being sloppy,”
So which are you cos?
“I bust chass out for lying. His response? Calls me a liar. Good on ya mate. Boy I hate it for your confessor.” [Sol]
How could you bust me for lying?? I mean, since I didnt… That alone makes you the flayming LIAR and TROLL….
Now go away kid, ya bother me!!
‘Climate model software doesn’t meet the best standards available’
Earlier this month, Climate Depot reported on a U.S. Government Scientist who admitted that “climate model software doesn’t meet the best standards available.” Gary Strand, a software engineer at the federally funded National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), admitted climate model software “doesn’t meet the best standards available” in a comment he posted on the website Climate Audit.
“As a software engineer, I know that climate model software doesn’t meet the best standards available. We’ve made quite a lot of progress, but we’ve still quite a ways to go,” Strand wrote on July 5, 2009, according to the website WattsUpWithThat.com. Strand’s candid admission promoted WattsUpWithThat’s skeptical Meteorologist Anthony Watts to ask the following question:
“Do we really want Congress to make trillion dollar tax decisions today based on ’software [that] doesn’t meet the best standards available?’”
Lying about lying chass? You are going to be repenting till the cows come home.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-717-3/comment-page-3/#comment-621286
Ya know, I dont much care if global/climate change isman-made, or cyclical… BUt, I am pleased as punch that the old Derby refinery on 21st Street is closed… Sure smells better in this part of town ever since it shut down… I am also happy that Lake Erie is cleaned up…. and the Three Rivers in Pittsburgh are all cleaned up… And so many more places that have been cleaned up, to make living in those places so much nicer…
If all we accomplish by cleaning up places like those, then we are doing a lot!! So, just count me in on cleaning up the air, and the water, and getting rid of harmful chemicals…. That makes me very happy…. Besides, that’s what I believe “having dominion” over the earth is really all about…
Climate models made by unlicensed ’software engineers’
The credibility of these computer model predictions — used by governments to determine global warming policy based on future climate risks — have been under increasingly intense scrutiny for years.
In June 2007, Dr. Jim Renwick, a top UN IPCC scientist, admitted that climate models do not account for half the variability in nature and thus are not reliable. “Half of the variability in the climate system is not predictable, so we don’t expect to do terrifically well,” Renwick conceded.
http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=32
Chas,
Hate to tell you this, but pollution as it is related to industrial sites is not Climate.
Climate by its very definition is a natural event.
SOL — every alleged lie you claim I nade, only proves that you dont know what you are talking about; and that you are indeed LYING about what I have posted in answer to each one of your rather stupid questions..
Why are your questions?? Simple — You have NO clue what my denominational affiliation is, yet you question our protocols, and you continue making demeaning and derogatory remarks concerning ore policies and protocols…
Loke I said before, go away, kid, ya bother me!!
chass,
You lies have been outlined and linked to. You be busted bro.
Sorry bout the typos… hard to type and talk on phone at the same time…
Gotta go now…. back later… maybe!!
r
Sol, anybody with half a brain can very easily see that you have yet to show even ONE lie that I have posted here… on this subject…
Your total lack of knowledge on this subject is proof that you have no way of being correct on your stupid allegations….
Now, go away kid, you bother me…
Ya gotsta PAY to PRAY.
Can you refute that chass? All I have done is connect the dots from what you provided.
Guilt is a btich chass. Repent.
“An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before but had once failed an entire class.
That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.
As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
Could not be any simpler than that. “
soldevvb posted July 17, 2009 at 12:01 pm
cosmo,
Here is a link to the paper you are trying to bash.
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soldevvb,
You’re very confused, and/or dense.
I wasn’t “bashing” that paper — I asked you how long you were going to believe false statements about what that study says.
cos,
I’m guessing just about as long as you believe the falsehood of AGW.
Trenberth also admitted that the climate models have major shortcomings because “they do not consider many things like the recovery of the ozone layer, for instance, or observed trends in forcing agents. There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess.” (LINK)
IPCC reviewer and climate researcher Dr Vincent Gray, of New Zealand, an expert reviewer on every single draft of the IPCC reports going back to 1990, author of more than 100 scientific publications and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of “Climate Change 2001,” declared “The claims of the IPCC are dangerous unscientific nonsense” in an April 10, 2007 article. (LINK) & (LINK)
“All [UN IPCC does] is make ‘projections’ and ‘estimates’. No climate model has ever been properly tested, which is what ‘validation’ means, and their ‘projections’ are nothing more than the opinions of ‘experts’ with a conflict of interest, because they are paid to produce the models. There is no actual scientific evidence for all these ‘projections’ and ‘estimates,’” Gray noted.
In addition, atmospheric scientist Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, a scientific pioneer in the development of numerical weather prediction and former director of research at The Netherlands’ Royal National Meteorological Institute, recently compared scientists who promote computer models predicting future climate doom to unlicensed “software engineers.”
“I am of the opinion that most scientists engaged in the design, development, and tuning of climate models are in fact software engineers. They are unlicensed, hence unqualified to sell their products to society,” Tennekes wrote on February 28, 2007. (LINK)
Sol, I don’t think cosMo knows what “bashing” means since English is not his native language. You might try speaking to him in Chinese.
Oops! UN IPCC Wrong Again: Deserts Getting Greener
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8150415.stm
Nansen Corrects Sea Ice Data – Sea Ice Extent Now Greater, Near Normal for Most of April/May
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/07/nansen-corrects-sea-ice-data-sea-ice-extent-now-greater-normal-for-most-of-aprilmay/
It’s fun watching soldevvb and donndublin flail around trying to support their denial of AGW science.
cosmos_originally
Posted July 17, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
It’s fun watching soldevvb and donndublin flail around trying to support their denial of AGW science.
It’s fun seeing cosmo hide from the facts.
What is it like to believe sooooo hard in an unfounded religion then watch it crumble around you?
‘Countering the contrarians on global warming‘
http://blogs.reuters.com/environment/2009/07/17/countering-the-contrarians-on-global-warming/
(Note soldevvb’s 11:29 am post upthread.)
cos,
You just tried to refute a post with a reporter’s blog page?
That is almost as stupid as worshiping a criminal activits.
Here is another gem from your reporter cosmo:
On your mark! Get set! Swim to the Caribbean!
A sea turtle race. How cute.
Thanks Sol.
We have had arguments about what Obama said and when he said it on the blog about those ’shovel ready jobs’ but this video clips lets you hear him say it in his own words. Very interesting.
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-vs-obama-on-stimulus-house-republicans-use-potus-own-words-against-him/
I bet those 2.3 million workers who have lost their jobs SINCE the stimulus package passed wish Obama was a man of his word.
Freshman Dems oppose Pelosi’s tax increase
By Mike Soraghan
Posted: 07/17/09 02:23 PM [ET]
Twenty-one freshman Democratic House members have signed a letter opposing their leadership’s plan to raise taxes to finance a healthcare overhaul.
Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) circulated the letter, saying that the income surtax on the wealthy would place an undue burden on small businesses, some of which pay taxes in the same way as an individual. The letter had 22 signers, all freshmen except for Rep. Paul Hodes (D-N.H.), who is in his second term.
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Bluejay you are wanting to know about dems that are against the administrations policy. I just found a whole nest of them.
CosMo??????????
cos, ? ?? ????? ????? ? ?????.
Saaaaaaaaahweeeeeeeeeet!
Source: Unions Approve Removal of ‘Card Check’ Provision From Senate Bill
A Democratic official familiar with compromise talks on a bill to make forming union easier says union leaders are willing to drop the politically volatile “card check” provision to win the bill’s passage.
Sabe nada sobre ciência.
Another dirty democrat. No news here. Only republicans count.
Rep. Ed Perlmutter of Colorado inserted a provision into the recently
passed House climate change bill that would drum up business for “green”
banks, such as the one he has invested in and his family and a political
donor helped found in San Francisco.
The bill calls on bank regulators to promote green banking and says
federal dollars should be used to support energy-efficient home
improvements at government-funded housing projects.
Mr. Perlmutter, a two-term Democrat, has two investments in the
3-year-old New Resource Bank, which calls itself the nation’s first
green bank.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/15/perlmutter-provision-wou
ld-aid-familys-green-bank/
Seems all the greedy people are coming to Washington demanding more of our money:
Dims are having a tax party!!!!
Raise the Gas Tax
On the same day as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce was attacking President Obama and congressional Democrats over a tax-hiking plan to pay for
health care reform, its leader urged the same people to have the courage to raise taxes on another front: the federal gasoline levy that pays for our highways
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/15/chamber_of_commerce_urges_lawm.html?wprss=44
Now the libs are coming after poor peoples beer!! THIS IS WAR!!!
Lawmakers Urged to Raise Excise Tax on Alcohol to Fund ‘Wellness’ Programs
Friday, July 17, 2009
(CNSNews.com) – A coalition of businesses, non-profits, and government
agencies is urging the House of Representatives to include an alcohol
tax hike in its health care bill.
Partnership for Prevention says the money generated by a higher federal excise tax on alcoholic beverages should go into a special fund that would pay for prevention and wellness programs.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51205
Oh yeah, Obama promised PROMISED not to raise taxes on 95% of Americans.
(snickering)
And don’t forget that dollar on smokes!
“An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before but had once failed an entire class.
That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked . . . ”
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An entire economics class claiming that “socialism works?”
Oh, brother. I wouldn’t believe that if it were in the Soviet Freaking Union.
Are you libs ever going to wake up? Here is another flat out Obama lie and broken promise. No dispute here folks:
Stimulus Watch: No-Bid Contracts Mean Higher Costs
Friday, July 17, 2009
By Brett J. Blackledge, Associated Press
Washington (AP) – The Defense Department frequently awards no-bid work
to small contractors for repairs at military bases under the new
economic stimulus law, costing taxpayers millions of dollars more than
when businesses compete for the work, according to an Associated Press
analysis of 570 such contracts.
The Pentagon saves more than three times as much money when companies
compete, the AP analysis showed. Yet more than $242 million in federal
contracts — representing more than one-fourth of the military’s
stimulus contract spending so far — has been awarded under the recovery
program through no-bid contracts for repairs and maintenance.
President Barack Obama promised last month to save money through
competition.
“By ending unnecessary no-bid contracts and reforming the way government
contracts are awarded, we can save the American people up to $40 billion
every year,” Obama said, as he announced new procedures to increase
competition.
And libs were mad about Haliburton?
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51194
BTW, if the Professor had actually done that, he would have been sued and probably fired for capricious grading.
But I love these little homilies the CONs e-mail to each other with such earnest conviction.
Kinda like the prayer of the day.
Why do the CONS hate Labor so much?? Why do the CONS hate America?? Why do the CONS wish for America to FAIL???
Who knows?? Maybe it’s genetic…
AGAIN —-
I predict that the Health Care Reform bill that passed the House, will NOT pass in the Senate… at least not in the form that it took in the House bill….
But Health Care Reform WILL pass…
See HEALTH CARE at:
harkin.senate.gov
Climate change, can we really change the weather? Oh well, we know money will buy your Congressman, it always has.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/Big_Dem_cash_dump_on_eve_of_climate_vote.html?showall
American_Way
Posted July 17, 2009 at 4:09 pm | Permalink
Oh yeah, Obama promised PROMISED not to raise taxes on 95% of Americans.
(snickering)
And don’t forget that dollar on smokes!
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AmWay, do you believe that the evil tax on tobacco, as well as the one proposed for alcohol, are the same thing as INCOME taxes?? Hmmmmm???
“Obama promised PROMISED not to raise taxes on 95% of Americans.” [AmWay]
That promise you rant on was made for INCOME taxes!!
Can you show us all where the line on the 1040 form is for “tobacco tax” or “alcohol tax” or “gasoline tax”???
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/17/guantanamo-bay-al-jazeera
Now THIS looks interesting:
An al-Jazeera journalist who was imprisoned in Guantánamo Bay plans to launch a joint legal action with other detainees against former US president George Bush and other administration officials, for the illegal detention and torture he and others suffered at the hands of US authorities.
The case will be initiated by the Guantánamo Justice Centre, a new organisation open to former prisoners at the US base, which will set up its international headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, later this month.
“The purpose of our organisation is to open a case against the Bush administration,” said co-founder Sami al-Haj, an al-Jazeera reporter from Sudan who was illegally detained by US authorities for over six years after being captured while he was working as a cameraman. He was freed in May 2008.
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War crimes tribunals–they’re not just for tin-pot dictators anymore . . .
Obama is going to “spread it around a little” just like he promised.
And the majority of voters with income over 250K who voted for Obama are getting exactly what they asked for.
The article shows Obama is going to tax the fuqk out of “evil rich” people.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2009-07-16-rich-tax_N.htm
(I love it! Can’t wait for the next congressional elections!)
I call BS Chas. Just like I did on the 2 years for recovery (which you never provided an Obama quote on).
Obama said “Taxes”. Many, many times on many different occassions on the campaign (liar) trail.
Obama lied Chas. Face it.
(I love it! Can’t wait for the next congressional elections!)
ME too!! By then, Obama’s programs will be functioning, and we will see them working, just the way he has said they will work…
And the wealthy will still be wealthy… and many more will be able to live a little higher on the totem pole, than they currently live… CHANGE we can believe in!!
AND, his tax on the upper 5%, will STILL be less than the upper level income folks than it was under Reagan… YESSS!!
Chas has gone into full blown ‘drooler’ mode.
Surprise.
“That promise you rant on was made for INCOME taxes”
can you show us where Obama said “INCOME taxes”.
Allowing the current tax breaks to expire is a raise in “INCOME taxes”.
You sound more like Jeremiah everyday there preacher man.
Under questioning by members of the Senate Budget Committee, Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, said
bills crafted by House leaders and the Senate health committee do not propose “the sort of fundamental changes” necessary to rein in the
skyrocketing cost of government health programs, particularly Medicare.
On the contrary, Elmendorf said, the measures would pile on an expensive new program to cover the uninsured.
Though President Obama and Democratic leaders have repeatedly pledged to alter the soaring trajectory — or cost curve — of federal health
spending, the proposals so far would not meet that goal, Elmendorf said, noting, “The curve is being raised.” His remarks suggested that rather than averting a looming fiscal crisis, the measures could make the nation’s bleak budget outlook even worse.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR200907
1602242.html?hpid=topnews
Under questioning by members of the Senate Budget Committee, Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, said
bills crafted by House leaders and the Senate health committee do not propose “the sort of fundamental changes” necessary to rein in the
skyrocketing cost of government health programs, particularly Medicare.
On the contrary, Elmendorf said, the measures would pile on an expensive new program to cover the uninsured.
Though President Obama and Democratic leaders have repeatedly pledged to alter the soaring trajectory — or cost curve — of federal health
spending, the proposals so far would not meet that goal, Elmendorf said, noting, “The curve is being raised.” His remarks suggested that rather than averting a looming fiscal crisis, the measures could make the nation’s bleak budget outlook even worse.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR200907
1602242.html?hpid=topnews
“ME too!! By then, Obama’s programs will be functioning, and we will see them working, just the way he has said they will work…” crapon
What to make a bet on that?
” By then, Obama’s programs will be functioning”
Chas is wrong once again. The actual 1,100 pages of the healthcare bill acknowledge that the legislation will ONLY (ONLY) help 37 million Americans without healthcare and over a ten year period.
Chas please at least r-e-a-d the information that comes with the tape recording.
crapon, I’ve got a century note that says in 16 months from now, Obama’s programs will not be working the way he say’s they would.
Pssssst! Chas. The next congressional elections are in 2010.
You really think things will be improving by then?
He11, a day ago you posted that it would take 2 years to improve.
Make up your own mind for goodness sakes!
Oh sorry I meant that for chazz not crapon.
You libs don’t care about the nation. The ends justify the means. Even if the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office prediction, which was testified before the Senate on the 16th –
will ruin the nation.
Don–
If you want me to respond to your posts, you’ll have to drop the “crap on.”
And Chas, you tell so many untruths and then run. When will you ever man up to your lies?
Chas…can you show ONE EXAMPLE where bho limited his phony tax pledge to income taxes?
no, you can’t…because he never did say that. You are imagining things…again.
After 10 long years, the Senate finally passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act as an amendment to the defense authorization bill, but now our right-wing opponents are going to launch a last-ditch effort to try to stop us.
We can’t stop fighting until the bill is sent to President Obama’s desk for his signature.
Sincerely,
Barbara Boxer
U.S. Senator
hey chas….i know your mind is made up and you don’t want to be confused with facts…but your hero said:
“I can make a firm pledge,” he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
He repeatedly vowed “you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime.”
oh boy…’hate crimes’ because it is a WORSE murder to kill someone because you don’t like them or their lifestyle. riiiight…
common, everyday murder is not nearly as serious.
what a flipping joke of a government.
”By then, Obama’s programs will be functioning”
“Chas is wrong once again. The actual 1,100 pages of the healthcare bill acknowledge that the legislation will ONLY (ONLY) help 37 million Americans without healthcare and over a ten year period.” [AmWay]
Ya know, boy, if you could actually READ, you might be dangerous…. That quote you conveniently place above your health care remark, had NOTHING to do with health care… Why dont you look UPTHREAD to see what I DID say about the Health Care bill passed by the House??? Hmmmmm????
Damn, you can be sooo stupid at times…
Donn… YOU too!!! Do try to keep up….
Obama wants MORE POWSER!!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99GD8QG2&show_article=1
HERE AmWay…. READ IT…. Any idiot can see this is about INCOME TAX….. Geez….
“The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included a broad range of tax cuts aimed at making the tax code more fair and supporting the middle class:
95% of all working families will receive a tax cut
70% of the tax benefits goes to the middle 60% of American workers
2 million families will be lifted out of poverty by the tax cuts in the Recovery Act
More than $150 billion in tax cuts will help low-income and vulnerable households during the economic recovery
About 1 Million jobs will be created or saved by these tax cuts alone
Guiding Principles
Restoring Fairness
For too long, the U.S. tax code has benefited the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the vast majority of Americans. President Obama’s aims to restore fairness to the tax system by providing the Making Work Pay tax cut to 95 percent of working families while closing loopholes that prevent wealthy companies and individuals from paying a fair share.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/taxes/
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 17, 2009 at 4:24 pm | Permalink
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/17/guantanamo-bay-al-jazeera
Now THIS looks interesting:
An al-Jazeera journalist who was imprisoned in Guantánamo Bay plans to launch a joint legal action with other detainees against former US president George Bush and other administration officials, for the illegal detention and torture he and others suffered at the hands of US authorities.
The case will be initiated by the Guantánamo Justice Centre, a new organisation open to former prisoners at the US base, which will set up its international headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland, later this month.
“The purpose of our organisation is to open a case against the Bush administration,” said co-founder Sami al-Haj, an al-Jazeera reporter from Sudan who was illegally detained by US authorities for over six years after being captured while he was working as a cameraman. He was freed in May 2008.
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War crimes tribunals–they’re not just for tin-pot dictators anymore . . .
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I remember reading about that dude.
He was hanging around U.S. bases during the day and then going out with Al Qaeda groups at night.
He was lucky he wasn’t shot dead.
ALSO —-
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/taxes/#TB_inline?height=220&width=370&inlineId=tb_external&linkId=1
Well, CapnAmerica,
How long does Obama have to fulfill his promise to close Gitmo before he becomes a ‘co-conspititor’?
LOL!
In 2006, the 400 richest increased their average to $263 million, representing an epochal shift of wealth upward in the U.S.
In 1955, the richest tier paid an average 51.2 percent of their income in taxes under a progressive federal income tax that included loopholes. By 2006, the richest paid only 17.2 percent of their income in taxes. In 1955, the proportion of federal income from corporate taxes was 33 percent; by 2003, it decreased to 7.4 percent. Today, the top taxpayers pay the same percentage of their incomes in taxes as those making $50,000 to $75,000, although they doubled their share of total U.S. income.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/17-8
The Walton family (Wal-Mart)controls more wealth than than the poorest one-third of all Americans.
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Now watch a useful idiot come along and “justify” that . . .
And THIS one >>>>
AGAIN —-
I predict that the Health Care Reform bill that passed the House, will NOT pass in the Senate… at least not in the form that it took in the House bill….
But Health Care Reform WILL pass…
See HEALTH CARE at:
harkin.senate.gov
[@4:18 p.m.]
chas…that means your hero must be an idiot…because he said very clearly:
“you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime.”
chas lies…AGAIN (no surprise there)
“How long does Obama have to fulfill his promise to close Gitmo before he becomes a ‘co-conspiritor’?”
That’s a damn good question. He should have closed it down by now. And given the prisoners trials or let them go.
CapnAmerica
Posted July 17, 2009 at 5:10 pm | Permalink
In 2006, the 400 richest increased their average to $263 million, representing an epochal shift of wealth upward in the U.S.
In 1955, the richest tier paid an average 51.2 percent of their income in taxes under a progressive federal income tax that included loopholes. By 2006, the richest paid only 17.2 percent of their income in taxes. In 1955, the proportion of federal income from corporate taxes was 33 percent; by 2003, it decreased to 7.4 percent. Today, the top taxpayers pay the same percentage of their incomes in taxes as those making $50,000 to $75,000, although they doubled their share of total U.S. income.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/07/17-8
The Walton family (Wal-Mart)controls more wealth than than the poorest one-third of all Americans.
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Now watch a useful idiot come along and “justify” that . .
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Just get O’BAMA to shut down Walmart Capn.
After all they are one of the top three employers in the United States.
That’ll get rid of the wealth problem.
“He was hanging around U.S. bases during the day and then going out with Al Qaeda groups at night.”
So, that’s why evidence was brought against him and he was charged and convicted, right, Regular?
Oops, no . . .
Chas, the “The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act” was not a promise. Or maybe it was?
Now watch a useful idiot come along and “justify” that . .
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Just get O’BAMA to shut down Walmart Capn.
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Yup, right on cue.
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 17, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink
“He was hanging around U.S. bases during the day and then going out with Al Qaeda groups at night.”
So, that’s why evidence was brought against him and he was charged and convicted, right, Regular?
Oops, no . . .
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Go hang around a Submarine Base or an Air Base that stores nuclear weapons Capn.
See what happens to you…
chas…answer your hero’s promise, will you? He said ALL taxes…you lied and said it only applies to income taxes.
no comment, liar?
cricketts….nothing but cricketts when chas is caught in ANOTHER lie…
“I can make a firm pledge,” he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
WHERE in the he!! do you see taxes on gasoline, or tobacco, or alcohol in that??? Are you so dumb that you cant tell he is talking about PERSONAL taxes???
Alocohol, tobacco, and gasoline taxes hit EVERYBODY!!! But, they arent Personal taxes… Stop being so stupid… makes you look bad(ok, worse)…. LOL
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CapnAmerica
Posted July 17, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink
Now watch a useful idiot come along and “justify” that . .
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Just get O’BAMA to shut down Walmart Capn.
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Yup, right on cue.
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And your solution is?
To what?
Bankrupt any and all millionaires with an antiquated tax system from the 1950s?
Brilliant!
Raptor, you are truly a mindless boob…. Sorry, but thats the truth… And youronly reason for attacking me, is because you know you LOST….
Go away kid, ya bother sane people!!
uh, stupid chas? what the he11 does:
“not any of your taxes.”
mean? Does that mean NOT ANY OF YOUR TAXES? Or, does it mean just the ones you want it to mean?
obviously, reading comprehension is not one of your skills.
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Chas
Posted July 17, 2009 at 5:18 pm | Permalink
Raptor, you are truly a mindless boob…. Sorry, but thats the truth… And youronly reason for attacking me, is because you know you LOST….
Go away kid, ya bother sane people!!
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So saith the ‘bobble-headed’ O’BAMA sheep.
baaaaa..
baaaaa…
talk about mindless. you obviously are incapable of reading a simple English sentence which reads:
NOT ANY OF YOUR TAXES.
Does that say, “except for cigarettes, alcohol, gasoline, benefits” or anything else? No..there are absolutely no exceptions in that statement.
none.
And the poorest one-third of all Americans are better off because they have WalMart to shop at.
Why do statists hate sucessful people so much?
Hud
Posted July 17, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink
Chas, the “The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act” was not a promise. Or maybe it was?
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Hud, I know you are a bit s l o w… So, READ IT this time… and then fugg off!!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/taxes/
I dont know about the rest of the Liberals on this Blog, but I am quite finished with allowing the Reich Wing LIES go unchallenged… NO MORE!!!
Either BACK UP your lies, or SHUT UP!!!
ok, liar..try this. as I asked upthread…show me ONE QUOTE (not your “interpretation”) that limits that pledge to INCOME TAXES only.
Just one. c’mon…you made the asinine claim…try to back it up.
a challenge….put up or SHUT UP
“Does that say, “except for cigarettes, alcohol, gasoline, benefits” or anything else? No..there are absolutely no exceptions in that statement.” [Raptor]
Raptor, IF you actually read the TAX statements at the Recovery Act link I posted… you will note that the TAXES Obama speaks of there relate to the TAX CODE….
Where do you find alcohol, tobacco, or gasoline taxes in the TAX CODE?? OR, as I said earlier, on your 1040 FORM???
Problem, I am not even sure you can read…
My solution is simple:
1. Repeal the union-busting that Reagan started.
For instance, the biggest company in the world, Wal-Mart, shouldn’t be allowed to fire workers who try to organize. It’s illegal, but they do it anyway.
Also pass the Employee Free Trade Act.
2. Raise taxes on the rich so they pay a higher percentage of their income than the poor and the middle class.
That’s a no brainer. Make taxes on capital gains the same as for income from work. Also a no brainer.
3. CEO pay has to be brought back into lines of historical norms.
That’d be a damn good start.
Raptor, IDIOT… One More Time
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/taxes/
Show me WHERE on your 1040 Form do you find any lines for gasoline, alcohol, or tobacco taxes??? Do you not understand what Obama, or anybody else, means by TAX CODE???
Now, how many more times do you want to see it??? Damn TROLLS!!!
I’m outta here… you RW’s have fun talking to yourselves about your crazed fantasies and mass paranoia….
From where I sit, looks like you ALL need padded rooms….
chas…you posted at 4:24
AmWay, do you believe that the evil tax on tobacco, as well as the one proposed for alcohol, are the same thing as INCOME taxes?? Hmmmmm???
“Obama promised PROMISED not to raise taxes on 95% of Americans.” [AmWay]
That promise you rant on was made for INCOME taxes!!
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You were referring to his campaign promise, not the ’stimulus act’. the PROMISE was NOT limited to income tax.
you dodge/weave/obfuscate…and you cannot back up your lie that the promise was about income tax only. when challenged…you backslide to the stimulus act…not backing up what you said about the PROMISE.
do you even read what you write???
typical chicken siht from chas…lie, insult then run away like the immature little child that he is.
face it, chas…you blew it. too bad you are not mature enough to admit it.
you started upthread with a TAX promise limited to income tax…then avoid it completely, changing to legislation.
run away, boy…run away
Chas–
The CONs love to talk about what might happen.
Obama is going to raise people’s taxes. He’s going to confiscate all our guns. He’s going to tax CO2 and drive all our businesses into bankruptcy.
As usual, they’re simply full of siht. You don’t have to argue until it actually happens.
So Chass if it isn’t on your tax form it isn’t a tax. Therefore I can refuse to pay the added charge on my fuel. Or on tobacco. Or on soft drinks. We afterall have protection against taxation without representation and these added charges by your definition aren’t taxes.
Chass why do you allow yourself to look so stupid. How could any man day after day make himself the laughing stock of the blog and just keep it up?
uh…”capn”? have you not been paying attention to the 156% tax increase the bho signed? Past tense? As in it has ALREADY HAPPENED????
yet, bho promised repeatedly on the campaign trail that he would never raise taxes on those making less than $250,000 per year:
“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.” (Barack Obama, September 12, 2008, Dover, NH).
156% tax increase on tobacco (left out that part)
Capn you have said that those making $70,000 will pay the same percentage of taxes as millionaires as things are now.
Of course this doesn’t mean they will pay the same amount of dollars only the same percentage. Now tell me where in the constitution or any other government papers does the administration find the authority to tax higher income people a higher percentage.
Where is the legal justification for this happening?
Interesting, when I argued that the poor pay more in taxes than the rich because of things exactly like the gas tax, the CONs completely discounted that . . .
Now tell me where in the constitution or any other government papers does the administration find the authority to tax higher income people a higher percentage.
OKO, gee, I don’t know.
Nor do I care.
The fact is that a huge majority of Americans believe that those who benefit the most should pay the most.
The tiny minority post here . . .
“Hud, I know you are a bit s l o w… So, READ IT this time… and then fugg off!!”
Chas, the stimulus bill was and is not a promise. I do not care what it says. His promise was any form of tax not just income tax.
Capn did I miss something or did you? The cap and tax bill that just passed the house will tax us for CO2 emissions won’t it?
You talk like a person who has never owned a business and therefore have no idea the problems business owners face with new taxes.
One little aside here. When Kansas decided to raise the minimum wage I told you that as a business owner I could see several repercussions. One being that the two ends of the employment spiral would suffer. That would be the seniors and the teenagers.
Today I read that unemployment in Kansas since this time last year has gone up from 4.2% to 8.3%. Now I have no way of knowing if this is because of the wage raise or Obamas’ bad economy. Just an interesting fact.
Well capn if you read and listened to todays news you are definitely in the minority. Those millions of people who are newly unemployed under Obama know that poor people have no jobs to give them.
Here’s a clue for the clueless Libs…
When taxes are raised on the rich, they are going to pass the cost on to….
Guess who?
That’s you and me – so the rich won’t get hurt much at all.
The average smoe – like you and me however, will be paying increased prices on everything you can think of.
That’s how economics work – wake up if you don’t think that tax increases won’t affect every swinging Ricardo out there.
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donndublin
Posted July 17, 2009 at 2:06 pm | Permalink
Sol, I don’t think cosMo knows what “bashing” means since English is not his native language. You might try speaking to him in Chinese.
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so, “capn” am I worrying about something that “might” happen as you claim, when the cigarette tax has already been signed by bho…in absolute contradiction to his PROMISE?
Please tell me how your comments makes any sense at all when that tax has already been signed?????
It really hurts that your team lost the election. I feel your pain… Rage on.
..crickets….nothing but crickets…..
chas lies, gets caught and runs away. “capn” accuses people of worrying about future events, yet cannot respond to facts of past tax increases signed by bho.
when the going gets tough…the not so tough just run away….
DFB
Posted July 17, 2009 at 6:46 am | Permalink
” Sarah Palin is a collector of grievances. She runs for high office by griping.”
I can only assume that this means you’re sick and tired of ALL identity politics, no? Or is it just really, really cool when it’s Dem groups, who exist for no other reason than to cry about grievances, get free goodies for their efforts?
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What’s with your eyes that you can’t tell an apple from an orange? You do this regularly, btw, it’s like your MO.
To wit. Every politician and the party s/he represents have grievances, Democrats and Republics alike. That’s a given.
The key difference preventing you from making a valid comparison (your oranges and apples problem) is that only Republics make a vice of “Democrat victimization.” In fact, they try like he11 to make a sin of it.
When you’re a prominent Republic who is fast becoming a professional victim, it smacks of hypocrisy. Like voting for DOMA while toe tapping in any ‘ol convenient US interstate rest area. Or decrying the “victim culture” of the Democrats while quitting elected office to become a professional victim.
Let me put the shoe on your foot. When will Sarah Palin’s ideas outweigh her status as victim?
ANS: Never, unless she lives to be 120 or so. 150 is more likely, given her rate of improvement. You know, if she continues to “read and study the issues.”
lol
Yall used to know what “unseemly” means, what in the wide world of sports has happened there?!
the lies here have nothing to do with elections, david. chas lied…got caught..and runs away.
“capn” accuses people of worrying about future events…ignoring an already passed/signed tax increase….and runs away.
tell me, what do either of those actions ahve to do with an election???
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okobserver
Posted July 17, 2009 at 5:47 pm | Permalink
Capn you have said that those making $70,000 will pay the same percentage of taxes as millionaires as things are now.
Of course this doesn’t mean they will pay the same amount of dollars only the same percentage. Now tell me where in the constitution or any other government papers does the administration find the authority to tax higher income people a higher percentage.
Where is the legal justification for this happening?
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The administration doesn’t have taxing authority, the United States Congress does. That authority is found in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.
I listened to Obama during the campaign and my impression was that his tax proposals had to do with the income tax rate… but then I am not a nitpicking sore loser longing for the days when the President did NOTHING.
The administration doesn’t have taxing authority, the United States Congress does. That authority is found in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.
What a weasled statement.
Listen to it and weep Daniel – O’Bama lists all the taxes he would not increase on the middle class and the final one
wait for it…
NO TAX Increase – which includes every kind of tax
http://www.wikio.com/video/443548
Regular
Posted July 17, 2009 at 6:49 pm | Permalink
The administration doesn’t have taxing authority, the United States Congress does. That authority is found in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.
What a weasled statement.
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What a weaseled statement? okobserver seems to be under the impression that the Executive branch has the power to levy taxes. I was just pointing out to her that the Legislative branch holds that power.
She doesn’t seem to have a very clear understanding of the powers of government are divided between the three branches of government.
What a weaseled statement? okobserver seems to be under the impression that the Executive branch has the power to levy taxes. I was just pointing out to her that the Legislative branch holds that power.
She doesn’t seem to have a very clear understanding of the powers of government are divided between the three branches of government.
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I’m sure okobserver knows how the government works.
But this is how reality works – The President writes a budget and tax proposals and sends it to Congress.
O’BAMA will be architect of any new tax proposals.
david–your comment is logical in that you say it was your impression that it dealt with income taxes. I can see where that could come from. chas, in contrast, states as fact that it is ONLY about income taxes…when the exact quote includes “not any of your taxes”
it is nece to hear from someone with some logic…
nece = nice
Regular,
I’m fully aware of the pledge that candidate Obama made on the campaign trail. Watch the clip you posted again and take note of the three taxes that he specifically mentioned.
What do those three taxes all have in common? A reasonable person would infer that candidate Obama was referring to taxes that are directly tied to income since he mentioned an income threshold of $250,000 and specifically mentioned three types of taxes (income, payroll, and capital gains) that are directly tied to income level.
Come on, you’re smarter than that.
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Regular
Posted July 17, 2009 at 7:02 pm | Permalink
What a weaseled statement? okobserver seems to be under the impression that the Executive branch has the power to levy taxes. I was just pointing out to her that the Legislative branch holds that power.
She doesn’t seem to have a very clear understanding of the powers of government are divided between the three branches of government.
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I’m sure okobserver knows how the government works.
But this is how reality works – The President writes a budget and tax proposals and sends it to Congress.
O’BAMA will be architect of any new tax proposals.
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When I heard candidate Obama’s pledge not to raise taxes on those making over $250,000 I took him to mean that he would propose no law that did so or he would veto any law that did so. That is the extent of the power the Executive has in the area of taxation.
Did you have a different understanding?
Yes Daniel, I am smarter that that – meaning I’m not naive like some.
As I wrote earlier, the rich may get taxed, but they will pass their loss of income back down the food chain.
So the average tax payer is going to take it in the shorts with higher prices for goods and services.
That’s reality – not some politically articulated ‘weasel’ speech of euphemistic pipe dream origins.
The most trusted man in America died today. That’s the way it is.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/walter-cronkite-iconic-anchorman-dies/?fark
Cheney, how do you like your goose cooked?
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The House Intelligence Committee said on Friday it was launching a formal investigation into the concealment of a secret CIA program from Congress that one senator said was withheld on orders from former Vice President Dick Cheney.
Regular
Posted July 17, 2009 at 7:22 pm | Permalink
That’s reality – not some politically articulated ‘weasel’ speech of euphemistic pipe dream origins.
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You sure have a way with words.
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chortleschuckles)“Watch the clip you posted again and take note of the three taxes that he specifically mentioned.”
Yes but check the comments at Kaukauna, Wisconsin on
June 12, 2008:
“I am not afraid to have this debate about taxes and fairness – but let’s be clear about what we’re debating. If you are a family making less than $250,000, my plan will not raise your taxes – not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
“…not any of you taxes.” seems to cover more than Income Taxes.
I remember Walter Cronkite in his news casts and special broadcasts during JFK and the Moon Landing. Also, his TV show The Twentieth Century.
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Hud
Posted July 17, 2009 at 7:28 pm | Permalink
“Watch the clip you posted again and take note of the three taxes that he specifically mentioned.”
Yes but check the comments at Kaukauna, Wisconsin on
June 12, 2008:
“I am not afraid to have this debate about taxes and fairness – but let’s be clear about what we’re debating. If you are a family making less than $250,000, my plan will not raise your taxes – not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
“…not any of you taxes.” seems to cover more than Income Taxes.
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OK, I can see that, but if his intent was as you say why would he mention an income threshold? It doesn’t make any sense. I read the ‘not any of your taxes’ at the end as a simple reiteration of the point.
This is one of those times that I wish the internet were in existence 20 years ago so that it would be easy to compare and contrast current events with those of the past. Remember Bush I and his famous ‘read my lips, no new taxes’ pledge? Were there increases in any non-income related taxes before he broke his promise and signed a bill that raised income taxes? Because the raising of the income tax with his approval is what he caught he11 for.
Maybe some of the oldtimers will remember. Anyone?
not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
payroll taxes – probably referring to social security and medicare
capital gains taxes – self explanatory
not any of your taxes – That pretty much means every other kind of tax from excise to the tax on your phone.
“Regular” reveals –
“Yes Daniel, I am smarter that that….”
I’m sure that that you may be.
But you sure hide it well.
Cronkite’s “Twenty First Century” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0287889/
And where’s my darned flying car and my vacation on the moon!!!???
“As I wrote earlier, the rich may get taxed, but they will pass their loss of income back down the food chain.”
Sooo….kiss their butt or they’ll kick mine?
I can take it. Can they?
Raptor, IDIOT… One More Time
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/taxes/
Show me WHERE on your 1040 Form do you find any lines for gasoline, alcohol, or tobacco taxes??? Do you not understand what Obama, or anybody else, means by TAX CODE???
Now, how many more times do you want to see it??? Damn TROLLS!!!
Since Obama is not now campaigning, and since it nearly a year since he made the INCOME TAX SPEECH in Dove, N.H., it is now crystal clear that Obama was referring to INCOME TAX in his pledge to not increase taxes on ANY FAMILY….
Raptor, you are one of the sorriest damned trolls that posts here… That is your only objective… TROLLING… SHILLING….
It’s Friday… and there are a lot better things to do than watch a bunch of dumsihts post a bunch of drivel…. just to attempt to twist what any reasonable person knows to be true….
And YES, whoever it was earlier… I stated it as FACT… i listened to the Dover, N.H. speech last September… And the entire speech was directed toward INCOME TAX…
Go dig up the damned speech and actually READ it…
Especially YOU Okie… Ya know, you really project too much, when you say I am an idiot etc. YOU are the one constantly disagreeing with people you dont WANT to agree with, no matter WHAT they say!!!
Are YOU, OKIE, forgetting that I spoke highly of your health care reform observations yesterday??? Not to mention my comments on the Health Care bill passed by the HOUSE…. So, did you ever check out harkin.senate.gov, and read what a number of Senators are throwing on the table for Health Care???
So, do you really not believe Health Care is screwed up, or do you really want people to be sick, and/or die, because they cant afford to pay their health bills??
From the tone of your posts, I say you REALLY want people to be sick, or die…
ahhhh…holding your feet to the fire is a definition of ‘troll’ now, huh?
Typical…anytime someone catches you in one of your lies, you make personal attacks. typical and so very, very childish.
c’mon..prove your assertion: “…is now crystal clear that Obama was referring to INCOME TAX in his pledge…”
show me ONE quote of bho that limits this to income. Show me ONE source that overrides the well known statements made BOTH in New Hampshire AND Wisconsin that BOTH clearly stated:
“not any of your taxes”
PROVE IT. Show ONE QUOTE where that is limited to income taxes only. You cannot..no matter how many names you call me, no matter how many insults thrown, you still cannot show ONE lousy little reference from your hero limiting that line to one type of tax only.
you cannot do it. you lose. pretend to be an adult and admit you overstated your opinion as a fact. your opinion is one thing…trying to pass it off as fact is getting laughable the longer you try to hold on to that fantasy.
insult me all you want. I will not retaliate in your chilish little game. I would like some proof
Not only that, Okie, you dont give a whit about your fellow human beings… people who dont have the financial advantages that you and yours have(according to your posts here) And you are just as happy as a lark to see the poverty levels in this great land INCREASING…. Now, answer me this…. IF there arent any people left to do the work of the service industries, then how are you going to survive… with all of your $$$ that you are so damned afraid of losing???
Who will haul away your trash?? Who will remove your snow?? Who will change your oil and service your car??? Who will stock the shelves with toilet paper, so you can wipe your butt?? Who will sack your groceries?? Who will do ANY of those jobs, if they are all too sick to work, and you and others like you dont give a damn about their health care???
Our Constitution talks about taking care of the General Welfare(Not SRS) of the people of this country….
SOME have always been better off financially than others…. In fact, in a capitalistic society, for a few to be RICH, there will always be people who are POOR…. It’s part of that blessed economic system you CONservatives have always been so proud of….
And who takes care of the poor…. the orphans… the elderly… the handicapped… the blind… the unfortunate bum in an alley??? THOSE are the people that need health care just as much as the rest of us…
So, I think maybe you need to take your self-righteous old butt out of the luxury of a home you live in(not money value – just the luxury of owning a roof over your head) and get out into the real world… and take a good hard look at how REAL PEOPLE LIVE…. Maybe thats what it takes to get people like YOU to wake the he!! up, and see the world as it is, instead of through your precious rose-colored glasses….
No wonder you cant READ… No wonder you believe the only person in the world that is RIGHT is YOU!!!
Bottom line… YOU and others like you should be REAL ashamed to call yourselves patriotic Americans…. American values have ALWAYS been about looking out for others… Those who dont care about others have always been thought of as HERMITS…
And the HERMIT mind set is just what all of you CONS remind me of….
OK, I’m done venting now… I feel much better… I hope YOU dont!!!
Chas I am merely trying to encourage you to not try so hard to defend everything Obama is doing. When you are proven wrong, just back off. I wonder why you put yourself in the position to be dumped on so badly.
I don’t want anyone to die for lack of healthcare. I simply don’t think that trashing our current system and replacing it with an unproven one is an improvement and CBO shares my opinion that the cost will be out of sight. Much higher than the price we are paying today.
Chas my New Years resolution was to treat you kinder this year because I think your heart is in the right place. I do however think the Obama defense is over the top. He is rushing too swiftly and trying to do too much. You continuely say I want to see him fail and nothing could be further from the truth. I just can’t abide seeing what he is doing to future generations.
There has to be a middle ground where more are covered without mortgaging our future.
I will rachet it back and please do the same. We can all have civilized conservations. Whatever we say and do here is merely an exchange of ideas. None of us have the power to legislate.
Peace and blessings on the memory of one of the world’s greatest news men…
“And that’s the way it is, Friday, July 17….
congrats, okie…a well reasoned post in light of assaults, attacks and childish, vulgar accusations.
Can someone help me? Has Chas gone off the deep end again today?
He does not even make sense most of the time. Either believe as he does or else.
How low can he go?
That’s the problem, Okie… I havent been proven wrong on Obama’s tax speech… I heard it… And he wasnt talking about anything other than PERSONAL INCOME TAXES for Individuals and FAMILIES… Taxes on alcohol tobacco and gasoline dont have any split in INCOME values… And YOU know it, and so does every one of your fellow goons who are calling me a liar…. The FACT is, when you prove me WRONG…. that’s one thing… But when all you got is your typical self-righteous snark… Then you’re just another one of the frikkin TROLLS who like to live on this Blog….
As for your friggin New Years Resolution, you broke that on about Jan. 2… B*tch…
G’night all!!
Chas as I was writing my last post you were sitting in judgement on me and my lifestyle. You really shouldn’t judge that which you know nothing about.
Nothing has been handed to me. My husband I worked very hard to raise our children in a way that showed that taking care of their families was very important. Self dignity was important. Giving those who are less fortunate when you can was encouraged.
This past Christmas we gave each other no gifts. Instead we adopted a mother and her two sons and gave them a Christmas like they had never had. Not for the glory but for the reward of seeing their faces when they realized what they were getting. What a beautiful lesson for my grandchildren.
Coming from a family of 10 that raised everything we ate or we didn’t eat I have gone without. Being the seventh daughter I was a teenager before I got a dress that wasn’t handed down. Thank goodness for flowered flour sacks.
So I will let stand what I wrote earlier and wish you a good night!
“Alocohol, tobacco, and gasoline taxes hit EVERYBODY!!! ”
No Chas they don’t. There are many that do not drink or smoke in this nation. These taxes – and you admit they are “taxes” mostly impact the poor.
Gasoline impacts most of us. Personally I hope the price of gas goes up to $5 a gallon. My new Prius will become even more cost effective. Besides, I can afford $5 a gallon. Poor people?
Not so much.
Obama lied. these of His taxes are going to impact the nations poorest.
Another little interesting tidbit of Obama trivia.
April 15th, 2009 5:03 pm
Barack Obama, through his spokesman, claimed recently that he was unaware of the tax day “Tea parties “. Granted, the non-Foxmedia did a good job in suppressing much of the coverage ahead of time (and the little coverage they did provide was derisive at best) but how out of touch is the Community Organizer in Chief, really?
This much:
– He was unaware that he was attending a church (for 20 years) with a racist pastor who hates America .
– He was unaware that he was family friends with, and started his political career in the living room of, a domestic terrorist.
– He was unaware that he had invested in two speculative companies backed by some of his top donors right after taking office in 2005.
– He was unaware that his own aunt was living in the US illegally.
– He was unaware that his own brother lives on pennies a day in a hut in Kenya
.- He was unaware of the AIG bonuses that he and his administration approved and signed into a bill.
– He was unaware that the man he nominated to be his Secretary of Commerce was under investigation in a bribery scandal.
– He was unaware that the man he nominated to be his Secretary of Health and Human Services was a tax cheat.
– He was unaware that the man he nominated to be his Secretary of the Treasury was a tax cheat.
– He was unaware that the man he nominated to be the U.S. Trade Representative was a tax cheat.
– He was unaware that the woman he nominated to be his Chief Performance Officer was a tax cheat.
-He was unaware that the man he nominated to be #2 at the Environmental Protection Agency was under investigation for mismanaging $25 milion in EPA grants.
– He was unaware that his own private plane (Air Force One) flew over New York “very low” just to take pictures along with the Statue of Liberty , which cost the tax payers $328,000.
For the love of God, there are people in comas that are more aware of world affairs than this guy.
Hey, if you get a traffic ticket, tell the officer “Sorry! I was unaware!” See how it works for you!
“The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis.” – Dante Alighieri
Rev/Padre/Preacherman/whatever you call yourself, I don’t know Okobserver from Annie, but your posts were way out of line. Maybe you should do a little reading about how Jesus feels about true sin and where it comes from (I’ll give you a hint, it’s that noxious gap between your nose and your neck). You owe Okobserver a sincere apology.
Now, as for you rants,
““Let me be absolutely clear,” said Obama, “if you are a family making less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes go up. Not your capital gains tax, not your payroll tax, not your income tax. No taxes. Your taxes will not go up.””
What is it you don’t understand about “No taxes.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/30/obama-ready-to-duel-mccain/
“I can make a firm pledge,” he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. “Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”
He repeatedly vowed “you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime.”
Obama is going to be the biggest liar of a president in history.
“American values have ALWAYS been about looking out for others…”
I’m not so sure about that. I think much of our history is tapestry of people from all over the world coming to America – to make a life of their own. The earliest adventurers and pioneers were all about self-sufficiency. These people giving up their foreign homes and east coast homes to travel by sailing ships and covered wagons didn’t so so in anticipation of reaching the social servies office, free cheese, food stamps, public housing, and free healthcare.
I think they were out to strike a claim and build a home and life for themselves and their families – independent sorts.
Idealists might want to believe people were always helping other people, but for the most part – I think early Americans were much too proud to accept a handout, or at least one they could not repay in full.
For some reason I’m picturing the great land rush into Oklahoma. When those pistols were fired – I don’t think anyone was out to stake a claim to help their fellow man. And I’m quite certain Americans weren’t interested in helping the native Americans they pushed out.
American_Way
Posted July 17, 2009 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
Gasoline impacts most of us. Personally I hope the price of gas goes up to $5 a gallon. My new Prius will become even more cost effective. Besides, I can afford $5 a gallon. Poor people?
Not so much.
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Why do you hope that the price of gas goes to $5 a gallon? Because it will disproportionately affect the poor? If this is your true reasoning, what does this say about your character?
“Coming from a family of 10 that raised everything we ate or we didn’t eat I have gone without. Being the seventh daughter I was a teenager before I got a dress that wasn’t handed down. Thank goodness for flowered flour sacks.”
Goodnight Johnboy.
Goodnight Mary Ellen.
“Why do you hope that the price of gas goes to $5 a gallon?”
Of course not to hurt the poor. That’s Obama’s job!
And Daniel you must admit you threw out a question, then your belief, and followed up with a conclusion all by yourself.
I’m one of those who believe true conservation of resources, energy consumption, and any interest in buying energy efficient cars – will not come until people have to pay at the pump and in their home energy bills.
It’s similiar to the liberal plan, except the money would go to the oil companies, their employees, everyone connected with oil production and research.
American_Way
Posted July 17, 2009 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
Gasoline impacts most of us. Personally I hope the price of gas goes up to $5 a gallon. My new Prius will become even more cost effective. Besides, I can afford $5 a gallon. Poor people?
Not so much.
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I don’t know…this sounds a lot like (paraphrasing) “I hope the price of gas rises to $5 a gallon because it won’t adversely affect me but it will adversely affect poor people.”
What part of this am I misunderstanding?
soldevvb posted July 17, 2009 at 3:18 pm
cos,
You just tried to refute a post with a reporter’s blog page?
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I didn’t try to refute a post. . . I posted a link that did refute several AGW denier blog posts.
‘Countering the contrarians on global warming‘
http://blogs.reuters.com/environment/2009/07/17/countering-the-contrarians-on-global-warming/
And note the headline at the Nature .com link.
‘Carbon dioxide forcing alone insufficient to explain Palaeocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum warming‘
“What part of this am I misunderstanding?”
Oh you are not misunderstanding anything.
I told you what I meant by my post yet you insist on trying to telling me what I meant.
But misunderstanding is not your problem. It’s trying to spin that’s getting you confused.
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American_Way
Posted July 17, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
Obama is going to be the biggest liar of a president in history.
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Hahahahahahaha!
I swear all of you Repubs are getting yourselves worked up into such a frenzy. It’s like some kind of circular firing squad here. At the rate you’re going, you’ll all have heart attacks before the next election.
From my beginnings a late night blogger, (why is my spell check STILL calling blogger a mis-spelling?), it has been something of my duty to put the blog to bed.
Walter Cronkite has died just before the eve of the 40th anniversary of America’’s landing on the Moon.
The landing on the Moon, Walter Cronkite, the revolution in civil rights.
These are things that I only read about. SO, for a long time, it has been my observation that America’s best days are behind us.
It doesn’t have to be so.
IF we are courageous and willing to embrace new ideas, THIS can be a time my son’s grandchildren can be proud of and seek to surpass.
“IF we are courageous and willing to embrace new ideas, THIS can be a time my son’s grandchildren can be proud of and seek to surpass.”
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BJ, that’s what’s so incredibly ironic about your utopian concepts/visions…they’re anything BUT new. The only truly original concept in societal order/govt structure in the last 2+ centuries was the founding of this country with it’s individual freedoms & republic govt. THAT was courageous, progressive and revolutionary. You can paint them with a different name, try to rewrite definitions with philisophical rhetoric and sell them as new, but it’s the same crap that’s failed over and over throughout history. The govt doesn’t love you BJ.
” The govt doesn’t love you BJ.”
Well at least with the Government I get a vote. Not so the “free” market and the private sector.
BJ – no, with the govt you get to vote for somebody to vote for you.
In the free market you can vote with your dollars, with your ideas, with your savings, with your talents. You can vote to have kids or not. You can vote to educate yourself, or not. You can vote to be religious, or not. You can vote to buy insurance, or roll the dice. You can be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a big one. You can vote to work just enough to sustain a minimal lifestyle, or work your azz off for another lifestyle, whichever you prefer.
Yet still, you want a govt big enough to give you everything you want, and big enough to take it all away, its choice, not yours.
Well at least with the Government I get a vote. Not so the “free” market and the private sector.
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Only because you refuse to participate,you want a nanny state, a thought which is abhorrent to any freedom loving person.