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Interesting article on the Eagle’s front page this morning, “Wichita schools must trim $25 million; Where the cuts would be.” I plan to read it at breakfast this morning.
I hope the proposed cuts don’t reflect the usual budget threats: “Food and heat will have to be reduced this winter to the orphans home.”
But funding is way down so cuts will be necessary.
I would like to have seen a thread on the democrat’s healthcare plan, to which I am OPPOSED. This is not a good policy, and that is because Republicans refused to allow a truly national healthcare plan. I’m not for loading more money into insurance companies pockets for their Aruba vacation/business meetings, just so they can deny what people need.
The insurance companies just need to be dismantled, and everyone covered. Period.
Don’t make it an additional hardship by forcing people to pay for another bill. Add it to taxes, and drop ‘coverage’. It’s just there.
Jwink, I know you are just fine with cutting so much out that it becomes ineffective, but this is absurd. You complain about schools, and then you make it harder for them to function. Republicans are notorious for making things difficult on schools, and then criticising them for not having the tools they need to flourish.
If you wonder my solution….raise taxes. I know you’re gonna whine, but we all have to do our part.
I see Chas had a major MELTDOWN last night, WOW!
His childish, irrational rants in ALL-CAPS are a display of major Psychotic behavior, but that’s just my opinion for the root cause of his outbursts.
Regardless of the CAUSE, his posts are clearly a violation of the WE Blog posting guidelines, which BTW Chas posted here himself several times.
The WEBlog Editors display a very obvious bias and lack of any ethical and professional standards by leaving Chas’ posts out there, but then, I suppose he does offer some humorous value for a couple of chuckles, and his post count does help WEBlog ratings and advertising revenue. (Post Count is the main factor in Ad Revenue, CONTENT obviously doesn’t matter.)
I hope Chas finally seeks the help that he needs. Perhaps the WEBlog editors can find a Psychologist who might be able to help Chas through therapy and/or medication or quite possibly, there is an underlying medical problem to resolve.
In any case, I wish Chas the best, and hope he is able to finally recover from whatever physical and/or mental disorders which afflict him.
And as for the WEBlog, allowing disruptions to legitamite conversations of top issues of the day, will only serve to further diminish the number of posters and readers here, as well as the WE Blog
Ad revenue, which MNI cannot afford to lose at this time. Then again, news reporting and making sound business decisions have not been strong points for MNI for quite some time.
What I don’t understand is the whole Repubic Party rant that Public Option would somehow kill for-profit health insurance companies.
Last time I looked, FedEx and UPS (even with its Teamsters (!) drivers) is doing just fine competing with the United States Postal Service.
If for-profit insurance companies can, through the power of the market and free enterprise, out-perform the government-backed alternative (as FedEx and UPS have), then Public Option is a tremendous opportunity to prove the power of capitalism.
So who are the people opposing this boon to the free market?
The CONs.
Go figure.
polmom…..how about quit spending?
BTW, I have saved the 7/14/09 Open Topic for evidence of the threatening nature of Chas’ posts.
Of course others I know, do the same.
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JimJohnson
Posted July 15, 2009 at 7:53 am | Permalink
BTW, I have saved the 7/14/09 Open Topic for evidence of the threatening nature of Chas’ posts.
Of course others I know, do the same.
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Go get ‘em, Tiger.
monk…explain the public OPTIONS?
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 15, 2009 at 7:49 am | Permalink
What I don’t understand is the whole Repubic Party rant that Public Option would somehow kill for-profit health insurance companies.
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A public option would be awful.
1. Every program the government runs is a horrific disaster compared to private companies.
2. It would be so much more attractive to customers it would destroy the private companies.
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 15, 2009 at 7:49 am | Permalink
What I don’t understand is the whole Repubic Party rant that Public Option would somehow kill for-profit health insurance companies.
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The Obama Healthcare Company will be subsidized by taxpayers.
When you have a subsidized competitor, that puts all the private companies at a huge disadvantage.
Imagine what would happen if GOVERNMENT Motors started selling $25,000 cars with $5,000, $10,000 or even $15,000 rebates and 0% financing.
Selling a $25,000 care for $10,000 and 0% financing will tend to drive OTHER car companies outta business, dontcha think?
Or do you believe competing car companies should layoff employees, cut their union salaries and benefits in-half in order to compete?
Toyota, Nissan, and other car companies already have a better PRODUCT, now you want to force these companies to maintain a Quality Product and cut their Prices down to match the Poor Quality Government Motors product, which nobody would buy unless it was free or very cheap?
The same thing will happen to Health Care Insurance. It’s a law of basic economics that nobody, not even THE ONE, can change simply by waving a magic wand.
The Economy Is Even Worse Than You Think
The average length of unemployment is higher than it’s been since government began tracking the data in 1948.
By MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN
The recent unemployment numbers have undermined confidence that we might be nearing the bottom of the recession. What we can see on the surface is disconcerting enough, but the inside numbers are just as bad.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics preliminary estimate for job losses for June is 467,000, which means 7.2 million people have lost their jobs since the start of the recession. The cumulative job losses over the last six months have been greater than for any other half year period since World War II, including the military demobilization after the war. The job losses are also now equal to the net job gains over the previous nine years, making this the only recession since the Great Depression to wipe out all job growth from the previous expansion.
Here are 10 reasons we are in even more trouble than the 9.5% unemployment rate indicates:
David Klein
- June’s total assumed 185,000 people at work who probably were not. The government could not identify them; it made an assumption about trends. But many of the mythical jobs are in industries that have absolutely no job creation, e.g., finance. When the official numbers are adjusted over the next several months, June will look worse.
- More companies are asking employees to take unpaid leave. These people don’t count on the unemployment roll.
- No fewer than 1.4 million people wanted or were available for work in the last 12 months but were not counted. Why? Because they hadn’t searched for work in the four weeks preceding the survey.
- The number of workers taking part-time jobs due to the slack economy, a kind of stealth underemployment, has doubled in this recession to about nine million, or 5.8% of the work force. Add those whose hours have been cut to those who cannot find a full-time job and the total unemployed rises to 16.5%, putting the number of involuntarily idle in the range of 25 million.
- The average work week for rank-and-file employees in the private sector, roughly 80% of the work force, slipped to 33 hours. That’s 48 minutes a week less than before the recession began, the lowest level since the government began tracking such data 45 years ago. Full-time workers are being downgraded to part time as businesses slash labor costs to remain above water, and factories are operating at only 65% of capacity. If Americans were still clocking those extra 48 minutes a week now, the same aggregate amount of work would get done with 3.3 million fewer employees, which means that if it were not for the shorter work week the jobless rate would be 11.7%, not 9.5% (which far exceeds the 8% rate projected by the Obama administration).
- The average length of official unemployment increased to 24.5 weeks, the longest since government began tracking this data in 1948. The number of long-term unemployed (i.e., for 27 weeks or more) has now jumped to 4.4 million, an all-time high.
- The average worker saw no wage gains in June, with average compensation running flat at $18.53 an hour.
- The goods producing sector is losing the most jobs — 223,000 in the last report alone.
- The prospects for job creation are equally distressing. The likelihood is that when economic activity picks up, employers will first choose to increase hours for existing workers and bring part-time workers back to full time. Many unemployed workers looking for jobs once the recovery begins will discover that jobs as good as the ones they lost are almost impossible to find because many layoffs have been permanent. Instead of shrinking operations, companies have shut down whole business units or made sweeping structural changes in the way they conduct business. General Motors and Chrysler, closed hundreds of dealerships and reduced brands. Citigroup and Bank of America cut tens of thousands of positions and exited many parts of the world of finance.
Job losses may last well into 2010 to hit an unemployment peak close to 11%. That unemployment rate may be sustained for an extended period.
Can we find comfort in the fact that employment has long been considered a lagging indicator? It is conventionally seen as having limited predictive power since employment reflects decisions taken earlier in the business cycle. But today is different. Unemployment has doubled to 9.5% from 4.8% in only 16 months, a rate so fast it may influence future economic behavior and outlook.
How could this happen when Washington has thrown trillions of dollars into the pot, including the famous $787 billion in stimulus spending that was supposed to yield $1.50 in growth for every dollar spent? For a start, too much of the money went to transfer payments such as Medicaid, jobless benefits and the like that do nothing for jobs and growth. The spending that creates new jobs is new spending, particularly on infrastructure. It amounts to less than 10% of the stimulus package today.
About 40% of U.S. workers believe the recession will continue for another full year, and their pessimism is justified. As paychecks shrink and disappear, consumers are more hesitant to spend and won’t lead the economy out of the doldrums quickly enough.
It may have made him unpopular in parts of the Obama administration, but Vice President Joe Biden was right when he said a week ago that the administration misread how bad the economy was and how effective the stimulus would be. It was supposed to be about jobs but it wasn’t. The Recovery Act was a single piece of legislation but it included thousands of funding schemes for tens of thousands of projects, and those programs are stuck in the bureaucracy as the government releases the funds with typical inefficiency.
Another $150 billion, which was allocated to state coffers to continue programs like Medicaid, did not add new jobs; hundreds of billions were set aside for tax cuts and for new benefits for the poor and the unemployed, and they did not add new jobs. Now state budgets are drowning in red ink as jobless claims and Medicaid bills climb.
Next year state budgets will have depleted their initial rescue dollars. Absent another rescue plan, they will have no choice but to slash spending, raise taxes, or both. State and local governments, representing about 15% of the economy, are beginning the worst contraction in postwar history amid a deficit of $166 billion for fiscal 2010, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, and a gap of $350 billion in fiscal 2011.
Households overburdened with historic levels of debt will also be saving more. The savings rate has already jumped to almost 7% of after-tax income from 0% in 2007, and it is still going up. Every dollar of saving comes out of consumption. Since consumer spending is the economy’s main driver, we are going to have a weak consumer sector and many businesses simply won’t have the means or the need to hire employees. After the 1990-91 recessions, consumers went out and bought houses, cars and other expensive goods. This time, the combination of a weak job picture and a severe credit crunch means that people won’t be able to get the financing for big expenditures, and those who can borrow will be reluctant to do so. The paycheck has returned as the primary source of spending.
This process is nowhere near complete and, until it is, the economy will barely grow if it does at all, and it may well oscillate between sluggish growth and modest decline for the next several years until the rebalancing of excessive debt has been completed. Until then, the economy will be deprived of adequate profits and cash flow, and businesses will not start to hire nor race to make capital expenditures when they have vast idle capacity.
No wonder poll after poll shows a steady erosion of confidence in the stimulus. So what kind of second-act stimulus should we look for? Something that might have a real multiplier effect, not a congressional wish list of pet programs. It is critical that the Obama administration not play politics with the issue. The time to get ready for a serious infrastructure program is now. It’s a shame Washington didn’t get it right the first time.
Mr. Zuckerman is chairman and editor in chief of U.S. News & World Report.
Oh, btw, yesterday I received a mailer from the local Chevy Dealer offering $5,000 to $15,000 discounts on a Government Motors Crappy Car.
The Crappy Car Company is trying to drive high quality companies out of the market, because nobody will buy Crappy Cars unless the price is cut so low, or unless there is no other choice.
JimJohnson
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink
Oh, btw, yesterday I received a mailer from the local Chevy Dealer offering $5,000 to $15,000 discounts on a Government Motors Crappy Car.
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Huh…..which Chevy dealer?
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 15, 2009 at 7:49 am | Permalink
Last time I looked, FedEx and UPS (even with its Teamsters (!) drivers) is doing just fine competing with the United States Postal Service.
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Wow, the wonder of the Post Office, again!
USPS keeps going with constant PRICE increases to postage.
ObamaCare will be subsidized by the Gov’t, or it will have to see constant PRICE increases or cuts in service to stay alive.
(And when you really need something delivered overnight, you don’t go through the USPS!)
Something that maybe the Wichita Eagle will report about Raj Goyle, or maybe not:
http://wichitaliberty.org/raj-goyle/raj-goyle-lecturer-wichita-state-university-sporadic/
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 15, 2009 at 7:49 am | Permalink
If for-profit insurance companies can, through the power of the market and free enterprise, out-perform the government-backed alternative (as FedEx and UPS have), then Public Option is a tremendous opportunity to prove the power of capitalism.
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If Obama Care will not cost taxpayers one dime, then you have a free market demonstration.
That’s not the plan.
The plan is for ObamaCare to be SUBSIDIZED by taxpayers, this is NOT a Free Market test!
Let’s have a fight between private and public health care WITHOUT a handicap.
ObamaCare can only survive if it is subsidized, if in effect, you tie one arm behind the back of the private insurance companies, can ObamaCare have a chance.
THAT is not a test of the Free Market.
Wow, the wonder of the Post Office, again!
So, how’s Amtrak doing?
JWink – But funding is way down so cuts will be necessary.
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I hope the “cuts” start down town.
“JimJohnson” imparts –
“…when you really need something delivered overnight, you don’t go through the USPS!”
Since that letter would cost 44-cents via USPS and $14.95 via FedEx — and FedEx is a highly-successful company — it sounds to me like private and public sector competition works just fine.
One thing I know.
Healthcare for all is good healthcare for a few.
The rich.
The politically connected.
Monkeyspank – Since that letter would cost 44-cents via USPS and $14.95 via FedEx — and FedEx is a highly-successful company — it sounds to me like private and public sector competition works just fine.
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So if you HAVE $14.95 you can get great delivery service.
If you don’t, you have to settle for lesser service for $.44.
“JimJohnson” rants –
“ObamaCare can only survive if it is subsidized, if in effect, you tie one arm behind the back of the private insurance companies, can ObamaCare have a chance.
THAT is not a test of the Free Market.”
Using your own example of the USPS vis a vis FedEx and UPS, it looks like all are truckin’ along okay.
You can worship your ideology all you want, “JimJohnson,” but sooner or later reality will enter into the picture.
How unfortunate for you.
If this healthcare bill is so wonderful, why aren’t the congress critters giving up their lifetime platinum plated insurance in lieu of the new program? Will all the lib posters here give up their corporate provided insurance to go on the government dole? Rationed health care anyone? Bureaucrat between you and your doctor anyone?
Using your own example of the USPS vis a vis FedEx and UPS,
So, how is Amtrak doing?
Wichita Liberal thanks for the link about Goyle. This is something you won’t see in the Eagle because he is one of their own. He works there while a student.
Many things about this man have been overlooked. A Yale law grad didn’t know that he couldn’t go into polling places on election day and campaign as he did in two different locations that I know of. Maranantha where my husband and I were voting was one of those. He walked up to people in line to vote introducing himself and saying he was on the ballot. This went on until the warden in charge came and told him he had to leave the building. He then went to another polling place and did the same thing.
This was investigated by our DA and being the good democrat she is, it was swept under the rug.
You won’t read this one in the Eagle either.
I don’t have a personal agenda against him just think that if you will ignore the law when campaigning for a state representative what will you do as a congressman?
A 9-month wait for arthritis treatment: Delay can mean a lifetime of agony for victims
By Daniel Martin
Thousands of rheumatoid arthritis sufferers face a lifetime of agony because they are not being treated quickly enough, a report says.
Guidelines state that patients should receive treatment within three months of the first symptoms appearing.
But the average wait is nine months – and GPs are not trained well enough to know what help to offer.
There is no cure, but experts say that if arthritis is diagnosed in the first three months, drugs can be given which limit its progression. This means the disease will not be as painful as it would have been if the condition was diagnosed later.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1199714/A-9-month-wait-arthritis-treatment-Delay-mean-lifetime-agony-victims.html#ixzz0LKpxSBNB&C
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This is the type of healthcare many in DC are mortgating our future generations to obtain. I say no. The price in human suffering is too high. Don’t wreck a healthcare system that works well for 95% of our population to ‘cure’ the problem with the uninsured.
There has to be a better solution than this Prez is pushing.
okobserver
Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:07 am | Permalink
A very interesting flow chart showing the dims plan to nationalize our healthcare and the hoops healthcare providers would have to jump through before you and I get any care.
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http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/House-Democrats-Health-Plan.pdf
Let’s play another game of “Guess that Religion”. Today’s question; this religious leader (74 years old) took an 8 year old girl as his wife and repeatedly raped her.
If you guess Islam then you are wrong, this is the morally superior Tony Alamo, a reich wing Christian fundamentalist.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31913443/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts
Don’t worry Tony, when you get to heaven there will be 42 girls for you to rape for eternity as your reward for your Christian morals.
MH wrote:
“What I don’t understand is the whole Repubic Party rant that Public Option would somehow kill for-profit health insurance companies.”
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These are such lame arguments..but I understand…your guy made them and nobody in the press challenged him…so they must be logical.
Question, private business is subject to things like Sarbanes-Oxley & the Sherman Anti-Trust Act…is the US govt? If a private business is broke/bankrupt can it print its own money or compel higher premiums via fiat, or does it have to compete for higher premiums? How about the govt? Who “regulates” the healthcare industry, govt or insurers? Of the “47M uninsured” that is thrown around as fact, per an ‘06 CBO report, how many are illegal immigrants, people within 12 months of being eligible for Medicare, people 18-34 who choose not to have it (more $’s for beer), or people just between jobs who are without it for less than 4 months, or from households who make more than $50K and could afford it but choose not to take to? Let me save you the effort of finding it, in order above, 9.5M, ?M, 18M, 7M, 17M….yeah, I know this is more than 47M but some classifications overlap…just making the point that the fear tactic of the 47M # is crap when you break it down instead of generalizing it. And remind me, how deep in the hole is Medicare/Part D..in excess of $50T…yeah, private insurers get to play under those rules too, right? Kinda like claiming that $300B in Medicare “savings” will pay for universal care…weird, because Medicare’s ALREADY broke…maybe its savings should help pay for its own shortfalls instead of using Madoff accounting to justify another plan…I’m just sayin’…
Now, as for your UPS/Fedex vs USPS argument…again one your guy likes to make…does UPS/Fedex compete for the standard mail business (ie, letters, bills, mass marketing, etc) or does it compete for time critical documents, small packages, etc? By the way, does it get to print more money through budgeting when its broke like the USPS as well? The USPS lost over $2B last qtr. Does UPS/Fedex get to keep writing IOUs to its pension plan like the fed govt does (it’s currently more than $5.3T underfunded for all fed employees/military pensions/healthcare) or is UPS/Fedex subject to specific laws relating to fiduciary liability to make sure their pensions are fully funded?
Wichita_Liberal wrote:
“Something that maybe the Wichita Eagle will report about Raj Goyle, or maybe not:
http://wichitaliberty.org/raj-goyle/raj-goyle-lecturer-wichita-state-university-sporadic/
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He learned from the best. This claim’s no different than Obama’s claim to have been a Constitutional Law Professor when in reality he gave a few lectures, most likely on the section of the COTUS that provides for czars…
OK, you need an important document in Bayonne, NJ by 10 am tomorrow morning. Get it to FedEx by 7pm tonight and it’s done.
Put a $.44 stamp on it, get it in the mail by last Monday and maybe.
Read the health bill. If you want a good analogy, UPS, FedEx isn’t it.
Rubes
“This is the type of healthcare many in DC are mortgating our future generations to obtain.”–okobserver
But you can bet the hypocrites pushing this health care sham on the rest of us will have no part of it themselves. Oh no, theirs will be for immediate care, whenever, wherever, and whatever they want for life.
These Democrats are hypocrites!
“The best picture you’ll see today”
by Oleg Volk a great photographer.
(Depends check for you pantschiiters)
Parental Involvement. It takes more than a village to raise a good kid.
http://olegvolk.livejournal.com/635405.html
On this date, Jul 15th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 110 °F (1936)
Low: 55 °F (1990
When are they going to get to the important questions to Sotomayer!
Sotomayer, Original Coke or New coke?
Sotomayer, Boxers or Briefs?
Sotomayer, if you were to give money to someone would it be a home-less person or a televangelist?
Monkeyspunk – Today’s question; this religious leader (74 years old) took an 8 year old girl as his wife and repeatedly raped her.
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Well munkey, take comfort in the fact that if she got knocked up by him in kansas, planned parenthood would not have contaced the authorities or her parents before the abortion….
Wow, does this guy nail it. Nothing on Snopes or FactCheck to confirm or refute.
Here is a letter written by a retired military officer to Barbara Boxer. Please give it your widest dissemination. I want the world to know at least one scoundrel who masquerades as a wise Solon and a congress in whose hand $trillions are spent without even reading the bills.
“Babs:
You were so right on when you scolded the general on TV for using the term, “ma’am,” instead of “Senator.” After all, in the military, “ma’am” is a term of respect when addressing a female of superior rank or position.
The general was totally wrong. You are not a person of superior rank or position. You are a member of one of the world’s most corrupt organizations, the U.S. Senate, equaled only by the U.S. House of Representatives.
Congress is a cesspool of liars, thieves, inside traders, traitors, drunks (one who killed a staffer, yet is still revered), criminals, and other low level swine who, as individuals (not all, but many), will do anything to enhance their lives, fortunes and power, all at the expense of the people of the United States and its Constitution, in order to be continually re-elected. Many democrats even want American troops killed by releasing photographs. How many of you could honestly say, “We pledge our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor”? None? One? Two?
Your reaction to the general shows several things. First is your abysmal ignorance of all things militaire. Your treatment of the general shows you to be an elitist of the worst kind. When the general entered the military (as most of us who served) he wrote the government a blank check, offering his life to protect your derriere now safely and comfortably ensconced in a multi-thousand dollar leather chair, paid for by the general’s taxes. You repaid him for this by humiliating him in front of millions.
Second is your puerile character, lack of sophistication, and arrogance which borders on the hubristic. This display of “brattish” behavior shows you to be a virago, termagant, harridan, nag, scold or shrew, unfit for your position, regardless of the support of the unwashed, uneducated masses who have made California into the laughing stock of the nation.
What I am writing, Senator, are the same thoughts countless millions of Americans have toward Congress, but who lack the energy, ability or time to convey them. Under the democrats, some don’t even have the 44 cents to buy the stamp. Regardless of their thoughts, most realize politicians are pretty much the same, and will vote for the one who will bring home the most bacon, even if they do consider how corrupt that person is.
Lord Acton (1834 – 1902) so aptly charged, “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Unbeknown to you and your colleagues, Mr. Power has had his way with all of you, and we are all the worse for it.
Finally Senator, I, too, have a title. It is “Right Wing Extremist Potential Terrorist Threat.” It is not of my choosing, but was given to me by your Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano. And you were offended by “ma’am”?”
Have a day. Cheers!
Bill Sxhxxnoxer
30xx20 Angela Lane
Oak Harbor, xx 9xx77
PS: I x’d out the address and state along with the phone number he listed knowing the type of jackals that reside here.
Monkeyhawk
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:39 am | Permalink
“JimJohnson” imparts –
“…when you really need something delivered overnight, you don’t go through the USPS!”
Since that letter would cost 44-cents via USPS and $14.95 via FedEx — and FedEx is a highly-successful company — it sounds to me like private and public sector competition works just fine.
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And in HealthCare, TIME, often is the difference between Life and Death.
Usually, you get what you pay for.
biased1
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:46 am | Permalink
Monkeyspank – Since that letter would cost 44-cents via USPS and $14.95 via FedEx — and FedEx is a highly-successful company — it sounds to me like private and public sector competition works just fine.
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So if you HAVE $14.95 you can get great delivery service.
If you don’t, you have to settle for lesser service for $.44.
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Exactly!
Do you really need to see a Doctor today? I’m sorry, the earliest we can schedule is for 6 months from now. I hope that will work out for you.
“The best picture you’ll see today”
by Oleg Volk a great photographer.
(Depends check for you pantschiiters)
Parental Involvement. It takes more than a village to raise a good kid.
http://olegvolk.livejournal.com/635405.html
Simply a great great post Heckler….thanks!!!
SolDevVB
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:50 am | Permalink
Using your own example of the USPS vis a vis FedEx and UPS,
So, how is Amtrak doing?
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I don’t know, it serves such a large percentage of the American population and costs so little.
OOOOps, looks like the gov. does give you the overnight option, might cost more than 44 cents though. Isn’t govt. competition great?
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JimJohnson
Posted July 15, 2009 at 7:43 am | Permalink
I see Chas had a major MELTDOWN last night, WOW!
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He looks more and more like the “Jeremiah Wright” type of preacher.
“G_ _ D_ _ _!!! America”.
I don’t know, it [Amtrak] serves such a large percentage of the American population and costs so little.
You haven’t priced Amtrak tickets recently, have you? You can fly cheaper. It’s not even close. Even with those prices, Amtrak receives must ask for billions of $ Amtrak in gov’t subsidies to stay afloat.
If Amtrak is your model of successful gov’t “competition,” you might as well shut down talk of a public option insurance now.
The reason many believe public option will squeeze out private insurers (which is exactly what it’s designed to do, BTW) is because it is feared that many employers will, once the public option comes on line, abolish their own benefit plans and force their employees onto the public plan. They will, it is feared, essentially dump their benefit costs onto the public.
BTW – is there anyone here with strong background in insurance and actuarial tables. Let me know, we may have to talk. Just an idea . . . . .
Job Cuts at Boeing
The head of Boeing Co.’s Integrated Defense Systems has told employees that the defense division will have to cut about 1,000 jobs because of Pentagon budget reductions.
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Another announcement of the effects of the great economic plan the dims have in place. But yep lets tax the rich and insure those like BJ. That will really spur the economy onward and upward.
Just have to love that Obama!
It’s funny GMC, I actually looked at actuarial science as a major, but it had more math courses than a math major. :)
Decided differently…
GMC – Cos can probably give you the name of a good “statician”…they seem to have a plethora of scientist who can make stats sing any tune they want.
I predict that the House Health Care Bill will NOT pass in the Senate…
CONS remember — Pres. Obama has said many times that he wants the same health care for all Americans, that all members of Congress have…
The Bill passed by the House… is NOT the Health Care Obama has stated repeatedly that he wants for all Americans…
Again, the bill passed by the House will not pass in the Senate… The Senate will design a much better, and much less costly, bill…
GMC I worked in insurance for 10 years. I also posted the flow chart for the gov sponsored plan earlier today. I can tell you there is absolutely no way this plan will come in under the 19% overhead figured we worked with to pay for facility expenses, rent, lease, utilities, etc… Also to pay for the officiers salaries.
With this many layers to go down someone will be losing big time. I see that being the doctors and other health care provider first. Eventually it will bleed down to the patients and we will have less care and what we get will be poor quality. There is no alternative to this chain of disasters with nationalized healthcare.
We will all pay the price and the dems unfortunately are moving ahead blindly without looking at the details.
CONS remember — Pres. Obama has said many times that he wants the same health care for all Americans, that all members of Congress have.. (Chas)
And Chas we all know Obama always does exactly what he says he will do – or not do don’t we?
$3.7 Million Restitution Ordered for Harding
Kansas Attorney General Steve Six, along with the U.S. Attorney’s Office, announced that a Wichita woman who pled guilty to one count of Health Care Fraud for defrauding Medicaid was sentenced to prison and must pay more than $3.7 million in restitution.
Six has made cracking down on Medicaid fraud and abuse a top priority since taking office, resulting in more than $17 million in recoveries on behalf of the state in 2008. This is more than four times the recoveries from 2007, and 23 times the amount recovered in ‘06.
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KUDOs to Six for going after this kind of fraud agressively. These are the things that have escalated our health care costs.
CONS remember — Pres. Obama has said many times that he wants the same health care for all Americans, that all members of Congress have..
LMFAO
You can’t be serious. Oh Lord, this is chass. I guess he is.
Homeless Shelter Closes on Holidays
GARDEN CITY, Kan. (AP) – A lack of funding and volunteers has forced a western Kansas homeless shelter to close on weekends and holidays. Emmaus House director Robin Marsh says the Garden City shelter had to close for the Fourth of July weekend and shuts down during the day on weekends. Executive director of Stepping Stone Shelter in Liberal, Pat Allsbury, told The Garden City Telegram that she’s asking the community to re-evaluate the shelter. Marsh says the shelter would stay open 24 hours each day if it had the resources. She says donations are down 48 percent. The house currently serves as a food pantry, soup kitchen, emergency shelter and homeless shelter.
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I guess this is the kind of ‘change’ Obama was after when he said charitable donation would no longer give you a tax exemption.
Our Socialistic Congress is bound and determined to past a Health Bill that will put us further down trying to pay for it. They should all go home for recess now and come back next year so that the dems can be voted out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31921017/ns/politics-capitol_hill/
BTW –
Since there isn’t a thread on it, just this thought:
After watching some of the hearings yesterday (mosty replays, in fact) and reading some of the commentary and the transcripts of interplay between Senators and Sotomayer, I have to say I’m not particularly impressed. I’d have expected MUCH better from a nominee to the SCOTUS.
That said, she’ll still get confirmed. And if she is as intellectually lazy (and sometimes disingenuous) as it appears, it won’t be a bad thing for her to be on the liberal side; Scalia will cut her to shreads.
“biased1″ gets it wrong again –
“Monkeyspunk – Today’s question; this religious leader (74 years old) took an 8 year old girl as his wife and repeatedly raped her.
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Well munkey, take comfort in the fact that if she got knocked up by him in kansas, planned parenthood would not have contaced the authorities or her parents before the abortion….”
Wow.
I’m such a lightning rod for CON hate in this forum they resort to calling me names over posts I don’t make!
It was “Maggotpunk,” not I, who posted the link to the good christian pedophile.
Geez.
Do you CONs ever get anything right?
“I guess this is the kind of ‘change’ Obama was after when he said charitable donation would no longer give you a tax exemption.” [okie]
Its not good for tax exemption now, unless you itemize deductions, on Schedule A…
House Democrats have announced a plan that would force the richest 2 million U.S. taxpayers to shoulder much of the cost of an expansion of the nation’s health-care system, by imposing a surtax of as much as 5.4 percent on income above $350,000 a year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/15/AR2009071500229.html?hpid=topnews
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Oh, those poor, poor rich people. I just have a hard time giving a rip about folks that make $350K a year.
XXX
Ever have good paying job working for a poor guy?
“The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:
Reduce long-term growth of health care costs for businesses and government
Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
Guarantee choice of doctors and health plans
Invest in prevention and wellness
Improve patient safety and quality of care
Assure affordable, quality health coverage for all Americans
Maintain coverage when you change or lose your job
End barriers to coverage for people with pre-existing medical conditions”
Please visit “www.HealthReform.gov” to learn more about the President’s commitment to enacting comprehensive health reform this year.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health_care/
Republicans unveil chart depicting bureaucratic nightmare of Dem government-run health care… Developing…
http://docs.house.gov/gopleader/House-Democrats-Health-Plan.pdf
What a nightmare. Hypocrite DimLibs, pass this kind of non-functioning thing on us but they will have none of it themselves.
Chas
Posted July 15, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
“The Administration believes that comprehensive health reform should:
Protect families from bankruptcy or debt because of health care costs
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It will never happen since trial lawyers overwhelmingly support the Dims.
Oh dear,, it’s cloudy today!! Is this the kind of change Obama meant to bring?????
Oh yes, that flow chart is no doubt a fair and balanced & accurate picture designed to enlighten!!
Look how the current system is like a superhighway with no problems at all! No insurance denials, no refusals to pay for pre-existing conditions, no insurance company interference with doctor recommended treatments, no limited coverage..
Gosh, it’s clear that today’s health care is perfect!! Thanks, Republican Explainers! It’s clear to me now (that you have no clue as to what is going on in the real world.)
“DavidB” –
Not that I think any of WE Blog’s CONs will bother to watch (or read the transcript) but Bill Moyers’ interview with Wendell Potter is an eye-opener.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/watch2.html
Potter is the former head of public relations for Cigna, a major for-profit health insurer.
He describes how the industry operates, its tactics, and deceptions… all to keep sucking money out of the health care system.
Oh , MonkeyHawk.. I hate it when we agree!
Monkeyspunk – I’m such a lightning rod for CON hate in this forum they resort to calling me names over posts I don’t make!
It was “Maggotpunk,” not I, who posted the link to the good christian pedophile.
Geez.
Do you CONs ever get anything right?
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My apologies…………
to Maggotpuke.
That was kinda like confusing “The Family Guy” with “Rosie O’donell”
my bad
Those are goals, Chas, not policies. They might as well be unicorns. HOW one gets there is the problem. And the problem in that respect is really quite simple:
1 – there is no money to spend for this program without significant tax increases
2 – there is no political support for tax increases
3 – millions of Americans believe that whatever the problems with the current system, a gov’t system would likely be worse. And experience with the political system in recent decades give good cause to their cynicism.
There’s the rub.
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Wow… seems like a whole lot of “comments that are threatening, libelous, obscene or otherwise objectionable.” come from the CONS.
Especially CONS like JimJohnson and others who have a strange fetish for male/male sex, and bodily functions…
But, feel free to carry on, since this Blog has no moderator..
Chazz – Wow… seems like a whole lot of “comments that are threatening, libelous, obscene or otherwise objectionable.” come from the CONS.
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From the No.1 name caller on weblog.
Hahahaah
Just give the people of the USA access to the same kind of health care that members of Congress all have… Take it from there, and run with it…
Anybody remember how McCain wanted the employers to LOSE their tax deductions for the health care they provided to their employees??? That was one of his solutions to health care reform….
At NO time has Obama stated that he wants to tell people which Dr. they can use, or any of this garbage being promoted by the RW…. In fact, he has repeatedly stated the exact OPPOSITE….
At NO time has Obama ever stated that people would be required to give up the health insurance plans they now have… But, that — if they CHOOSE — they can switch to a government run plan….
Where does all of this opposition nonsense come from??? From the same sort of people that want to stop mythical creatures from spreading… /sarcasm off
“GMC70″ gets back to work from his well-earned long lunch with –
“…millions of Americans believe that whatever the problems with the current system….”
Yeah.
And “millions of Americans” believe in black helicopters, aliens from outer space probing rednecks, and that Sarah Palin actually read (much less, wrote) that Cap & Trade op-ed in the Washington Post yesterday.
“Maybe you should take this moment for self-reflection.”
biased1… you maybe better check some of your own posts, before you throw stones at others…. ya think??? LOL
Anybody remember how McCain wanted the employers
Good on ya chass. You usually don’t beat up on dimorats.
Chase – Where does all of this opposition nonsense come from???
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Considering the WPE (for worst president ever) O’bama has spent over a TRILLION dollars to increase unemployment to 9.5% (worst in 26 years)with a loss of nearly 4 million jobs, I’d say hell yeah, here’s another trillion try your hand at health care……
Who cares? It’s our great-grand-childrens money anyway.
Consumer Prices Jump 0.7 Percent in June
The government says consumer prices shot up in June by the largest amount in 11 months.
How much did we spend to “save” the economy?
Right or wrong, MH, that belief is held. And it creates a serious political impediment to getting a program, even assuming (a HUGE assumption) that there is a way to pay for it.
Then there’s this:
“Consumer Prices Jump 0.7 Percent in June” (hat-tip to Sol)
What do you think happens when you just go out and print a trillion dollars or so? Get used to this; it’s something you’ll see a lot of over the next 2-10 years or so.
Chas tries with:
“Anybody remember how McCain wanted the employers to LOSE their tax deductions for the health care they provided to their employees??? That was one of his solutions to health care reform….”
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Good job regurgitating the talking points…at least you’re consistent with them, at leaving out the part where McCain was also proposing a $5,000 tax credit for each family to be able to buy their own policy that would also create the portability everyone screams about….but hey, 1 fact out of 3’s not bad for you.
Tax on toliet paper? How about everytime you flush?
More taxes, more taxes. Congress works on ways daily to extract our money, for the common good.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124761944347442547.html
GMC70
Posted July 15, 2009 at 11:17 am | Permalink
I don’t know, it [Amtrak] serves such a large percentage of the American population and costs so little.
You haven’t priced Amtrak tickets recently, have you?
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Sorry, guess my sarcasm didn’t show thru.
I have recently priced tickets, and finding the best route from A to B is insanely complicated.
Just check out their route maps, and their prices. Incredibly high and the routes for 90% of the country are useless.
GMC is right. You can fly just about anywhere, cheaper, faster, and more conveniently then you can take Amtrak.
Even Greyhound is a better option then Amtrak in most cases.
The bill calls for a 0.15% tax on any corporation earning a profit of more than $4 million a year. Manufacturers of any water-based beverages, excluding alcohol, would see a four-cent tax per container. Soaps, detergents, toiletries, toilet tissue, water softeners and cooking oils would face a 3% tax on wholesale prices. Pharmaceuticals would be taxed at 0.5% of the wholesale price.
From George’s link, 2:09 above.
An economic question, for Chas, or others. Assuming that the taxed companies are corporations, who in fact will be paying these taxes? Getting a complete answer is extra credit; and Chas, you need all the extra credit you can get . . . .
Chas
Posted July 15, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink
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Wow… seems like a whole lot of “comments that are threatening, libelous, obscene or otherwise objectionable.” come from the CONS.
Especially CONS like JimJohnson and others who have a strange fetish for male/male sex, and bodily functions…
But, feel free to carry on, since this Blog has no moderator..
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There he goes again.
The devil is handing out the 10 Commandments again!
GMC – I’ll let Reagan answer your question and save Chas the Wiki search…
“When the subject of raising taxes on business owners came up — Reagan made this simple argument:
“Who pays the business tax anyway? We do! You can’t tax business. Business doesn’t pay taxes. It collects taxes. And if they can’t be passed on to the customer in the price of the product as a cost of operation, business goes out of business. Now what they’re going to do is make it easier for demagogic politicians–to say to the people, look, we need money for this worthwhile project but we’re not going to tax you, we’re going to tax business…” “So they’ll tax business and the price of the product will go up and the people will blame the storekeeper for the rise in the price of the product, not recognizing that all he’s doing is passing on to them a hidden sales tax.”
Reagan went on and offered this example:
“If people need any more concrete explanation of this, start with the staff of life, a loaf of bread. The simplest thing; the poorest man must have it. Well, there are 151 taxes now in the price of a loaf of bread–it accounts for more than half the cost of a loaf of bread. It begins with the first tax, on the farmer that raised the wheat. Any simpleton can understand that if that farmer cannot get enough money for his wheat, to pay the property tax on his farm, he can’t be a farmer. He loses his farm. And so it is with the fellow who pays a driver’s license and a gasoline tax to drive the truckload of wheat to the mill, the miller who has to pay everything from social security tax, business license, everything else. He has to make his living over and above those costs. So they all wind up in that loaf of bread. Now an egg isn’t far behind and nobody had to make that. There’s a hundred taxes in an egg by the time it gets to market and you know the chicken didn’t put them there!””
Well GMC, a couple of answers for your 2:15 pm post.
1. Consumers ultimately pay all corporate taxes. Corporations include all costs, including their cost of taxes, in the price of their products and services. Increasing corporate taxes ultimately is just an additional tax on consumers.
2. Recently, Government has purchased many companies or has at least partial ownership in many companies.
So, when GM (Government Motors) earns a profit exceeding $4 million someday, the additional tax on GM will be ultimately paid by:
A. Taxpayers who helped pay for the Government purchase of General Motors.
B. These taxpayer owners will then pass along the cost of the additional tax to the consumers, who ultimately pay all income taxes.
Government is sortof taxing itself, then passing the cost along to the consumers.
When you have a two term tax crazy die hard hard core liberal governor:
Mich. jobless rate jumps 1.1% to 15.2%
WGE Jen Jen “The Mole” Granholm
“GMC70? takes a moment from fighting injustice for Butler County taxpayers to offer –
“An economic question, for Chas, or others. Assuming that the taxed companies are corporations, who in fact will be paying these taxes? Getting a complete answer is extra credit; and Chas, you need all the extra credit you can get . . . .”
If that little m@sturb@tory CON boilerplate had any real-world validity businesses wouldn’t spend hundred of millions of dollars lobbying against corporate taxes. Now would they?
They’d save the hundreds of millions of dollars on lobbyists and “pass the tax increase on to the customer,” wouldn’t they?
Damn you’re dumb monkey. You take any econ classes? Ever?
More money from the Nanny government that the states do not know what to with. They will be awash in stimulus money for saving energy and the world. Subject to corruption, you bet. Now who do you think pays for this? I doubt most the bloggers here would qualify.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?feed=AP&Date=20090715&ID=10147324
Latest Headline: Kansas Lottery reports lower revenue.
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So selling less means we need to raise the price….
Kinda like water…..
Yes, raising the price of lottery tickets should bring revenue back up.
Just like raising tax rates brings revenue up.
Just like raising tax rates brings revenue up.
Just ask Michigan. Hey while you’re at it, see what tax increases do for employment numbers !!!
Or ask California how tax increases worked so well for them.
Or New York.
“SolDevVB” counters with the best economic argument he can conjure –
“Damn you’re dumb monkey.”
From whom did you cut-and-post that quote? Goethe? Hegel?
I found it.
OMG too funny.
or lame….
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4328059
Ah MH – do you see all the world as that simplistic?
Well, yes, you do. Care to give the answer a shot, or just display your fundamental economic illiteracy?
Or do you not have anything substantive to add? Uh, well, we know the answer to that one. . . .
“biased1″ crows –
“I found it.
OMG too funny.
or lame….
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4328059“
Yeah.
That’s important.
Trivia question, who said “You’ve got some splainin to do?” a)Ricky Ricardo talking to Lucy? b)Sen Coburn talking to a Latina Supreme Court Justice Nominee?
MunkeySpank –
whines….
Yeah.
That’s important.
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LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!!!
hahahahaha!!!!!!
Guess a corrollary would be if corps. paid no taxes, and their employees did, Wouldn’t the corporation still be paying the taxes in the form of higher wage demands?
So selling less means we need to raise the price….
Kinda like water…..
No, kinda like petro!
“GMC70″ blogs from work –
“Ah MH – do you see all the world as that simplistic?
Well, yes, you do. Care to give the answer a shot, or just display your fundamental economic illiteracy?”
As I recall, I asked you the following questions:
“If that little m@sturb@tory CON boilerplate had any real-world validity businesses wouldn’t spend hundred of millions of dollars lobbying against corporate taxes. Now would they?
They’d save the hundreds of millions of dollars on lobbyists and “pass the tax increase on to the customer,” wouldn’t they?”
I note you’re too busy with your duties as protector of justice for the Butle County Attorney’s office to answer those questions.
And I respect that. As a “libruhl” I have a lot of respect for public employees doing their jobs.
Maybe, after you get off “work” you can answer my questions. And yes, in specific response to:
“…do you not have anything substantive to add?”
Yeah.
I kinda think I do.
And have.
Apparently you’ve been too busy fighting crime and injustice in Butler County to note some of my posts to WE Blog.
I understand.
You’re a busy man and don’t have time to fritter away keeping up with my writings.
Oh wait…
“Uh, well, we know the answer to that one. . .”
Just that one?!
I thought you CONs had the answers to everything.
The Recovery Act is a two year program. A trillion dollars have not been spent, so crying that the program has failed while is is still ramping up is a little silly, impatient and disingenuous.
‘James Hansen on Climate Tipping Points and Political Leadership’
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20090715/james-hansen-climate-tipping-points-and-political-leadership
Here ya go Cos, since blogs are gospel…
http://talkingabouttheweather.com/
NaiveB
Posted July 15, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink
The Recovery Act is a two year program. A trillion dollars have not been spent, so crying that the program has failed while is is still ramping up is a little silly, impatient and disingenuous.
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And what would you consider the call for another “stimulus?”
real smart, overdue and ingenious?
DFB,
Perhaps you would prefer the original source, listed in my 3:35 pm post?
“(Excerpted from Strategies to Address Global Warming)”
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090713_Strategies.pdf
This “two year program” crap was never known, considered by congress, or even heard of two months ago.
It sort of materialized out of thin air.
And then they tape record it and pass it out to the sheep.
BBaaaaa! Ba-Baaaaa!
“A trillion dollars have not been spent”
Yet, the treasury reports our 2009 budget is already 1.1 trillion dollars in the hole.
Are any libs smart enough to figure that out?
This is a big “duh” for true conservatives reading it.
But will congress listen?
“The comprehensive health care overhaul being pitched by House Democrats could lead to a cost explosion in the long-term, a preliminary analysis from the Congressional Budget Office suggests.
The estimate tags the 10-year cost of the House Democrats’ plan at just over $1 trillion, while one Democratic aide said the bill would add up
to $1.5 trillion over the next decade.
But the CBO estimate shows that even if the price tag holds to $1 trillion, more than 80 percent of the costs will hit in the last five years. This indicates that after 2019, taxpayers could be hit with a rising tidal wave of health care expenses resulting from the shift in health care coverage from the private to public sector.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/15/house-make-health-care-right/
Libs I’m typing this real slow so you can keep up. Read what this senate proposal really is saying. If you do NOT live a “healthy lifestyle” – whatever standard the gubermint dictates, you WILL pay MORE for your free public healthcare.
Workers who quit smoking, lose weight, and eat right could have their health insurance premiums cut by as much as half, possibly saving them
thousands of dollars per year, under a measure inserted with little notice this week into the Senate healthcare overhaul bill.
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2009/07/15/healthcare_bill_offers_workers_incentive_for_healthy_lifestyle/
Like your Big Mac’s?
Like to smoke or chew?
Like to drink more than the mandated approved amount?
Like your soda pop?
Like your buttered popcorn?
Enjoy it – you will pay more for healthcare.
Be careful what you ask for.
Here ya go folks! You wanted socialism, you got it!
Makes no business sense: Taxpayers in effect are subsidizing these “fat cats”.
GM projects that it could save $2.5 billion annually by cutting the dealers. While dealers are independent businesses, GM spends about that
much money on sales incentives, advertising and other programs intended to prop up its dealer network.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Now that the Obama administration has spent billions of dollars on the bailouts of General Motors and Chrysler, Congress is considering making its first major management decision at the automakers.
Under legislation that has rapidly gained support, GM and Chrysler would have to reinstate more than 2,000 dealerships that the companies had
slated for closure
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/14/AR200907
1403187.html?hpid=politics
(for those slow to comprehend, this means that although the gubermint KNOWS the dealerships will take from OUR company profits* – it is politically acceptable when gubermint runs business to do so.)
*Taxpayer dollars
Gotta be careful when Congress rushes through legislation to follow the One’s orders:
Crook
by no other name -
Rep. Ed Perlmutter of Colorado inserted a provision into the recently passed House climate change bill that would drum up business for “green” banks, such as the one he has invested in and his family and a political
donor helped found in San Francisco.
The bill calls on bank regulators to promote green banking and says federal dollars should be used to support energy-efficient home
improvements at government-funded housing projects.
Mr. Perlmutter, a two-term Democrat, has two investments in the 3-year-old New Resource Bank, which calls itself the nation’s first
green bank.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/15/perlmutter-provision-wou
ld-aid-familys-green-bank/
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink
This “two year program” crap was never known, considered by congress, or even heard of two months ago.
It sort of materialized out of thin air.
And then they tape record it and pass it out to the sheep.
BBaaaaa! Ba-Baaaaa!
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FALSE!!! Republican Screed!!
The two year plan has been around since the stimulus bill passed… Obama talked about time factors in the State of the Union Address… same with health care….
If you peiople would stop LYING long enough, you would know that people actually listen to speeches… not just the stupid, ignorant, sound bite editing of Talk Radio, and Fox News….
Why not enter into discussions WITHOUT your fruit-loop LYING??? The boys crying wolf day in and day out, will soon not be heard at all….
Stck with issues, instead of attacking opinions… The ISSUES are what matter…
The Right Wing is continually proven to be less than honest when making their botched complaints… And every time one gets botched, the Repubs lose integrity… not just democrats… but with ALL voters…
So, STOP LYING, and start offering alternatives to what you dont like… REAL alternatives… not LYING talking points!!
Am I on a roll or what?
BTW, something else to think about.
Remember when our Constitution created three separate yet equal branches of government?
How is it THE ONE Barack is ordering Congress when to take a sheat and when they cannot?
I call BS Chas.
Quotes
Quotes
Quotes
Show me the money!!!!
He11 Chas, you should be smart enough to know this one. Remember Obama promised unemployment would only go as high as 8.5%?????
Me thinks the liar is on the other side – and sitting in the white house (eating $100 steaks at parties).
Show me the two years specifically ChAS..
Otherwise, your talk is cheap.
Cheap, cheap, cheap.
Quotes
Quotes
Quotes
“American_Way” contributes –
“Like your buttered popcorn?”
It’s not “butter.”
It’s “Processed non-petroleum imitation hydrogenated fat augmented by beef-, pork-, and/or poultry-based human-consumable fat product. With artificial flavorings.”
(I have a friend who’s manager of of movie theater.)
Yeah.
Maybe they should tax that.
Ask your friend where I can buy some for my own.
Doesn’t it taste so much better at the theatre?
“American_Way,” the bi-polar explorer, asks –
“Am I on a roll or what?”
What.
Whenever I ask Obama-supporting friends about their candidate’s absence of executive experience, they assure he’ll do fine because he’ll surround himself with good people. Yet, when we look at the people with whom he’s associated in the past, we began to wonder if this is so.
It’s not just his associations with such radicals as William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright, but his repeated misrepresentations of those relationships. Even CNN caught him lying about relationship with the unrepentant terrorist:
He even lied about the event where Ayers hosting the reception launching his bid for the Illinois Senate.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2008/10/07/obamas-lies-about-his-radical-associations/
The Obama deception:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
Liar
Obamameter: Tracking Obama’s growing broken promises:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
“American_Way” goes full Homer Simpson –
“Ask your friend where I can buy some [processed non-petroleum imitation hydrogenated fat augmented by beef-, pork-, and/or poultry-based human-consumable fat product. With artificial flavorings] for my own.
You’re in luck!
http://www.sonicequipment.com/joomla15/
Obama Lies: Which Obama did you vote for?
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=5630
(Chas, this might be where you are getting left behind.)
PUBLIC HEALTHCARE!!!
I challenge liberals to show me one, just one entitlement program which had actual costs equal to the intial estimated costs?
Just one folks.
“American_Way” travels in time –
“…William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright….”
How’d that work a year ago?
“Remember the doozy he told about his great uncle being among the troops that liberated Auschwitz? Or how about when he tried to convince us that he barely knew Tony Rezko and William Ayers? Then there was the time he said he fully supported the 2nd Amendment only to receive millions in support from anti-gun groups after indicating on a questionnaire that he supports banning “the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.” Oh, and what about the time he claimed that he would “aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election” then, unlike the Republican nominee, broke his promise to gain an enormous financial advantage. Ah, don’t forget his vow that only people making over $250,000 a year would have their taxes raised . . . ha, that was funny. Yes, yes, and how he gave his word that there would be no lobbyists in his White House, then opened the floodgates after winning the election. I also recall his claim to establish the most transparent administration in history . . .
Etc., etc., etc.
How can you tell when Barack Obama is lying? Together now: HIS LIPS ARE MOVING.
Well, The Chosen One is at it again.
During the campaign Barack Obama promised all of us that he would be fiscally responsible and refuse to sign earmark laden bills. Along comes the “Stimulus Bill” spending spree with its “8,600 specially sponsored projects totaling $7.7 billion” and the Prez once again displays his love of the lie. Oh, he’s gonna sign this baby no matter what he promised us about earmarks before the election.
When questioned about the earmarks and Obama’s promise, his budget chief Peter Orszag said, “We want to just move on. Let’s get this bill done, get it into law and move forward.” I see. White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel was even more loquacious, explaining, “That’s last year’s business.” Uh huh. Right.
So now I have to wonder, can we believe anything this guy says? Ever?
After all of this he has me thinking about other weird things. Like, remember that touching moment when he flew to Hawaii to visit with his dying Grandmother? Well, Grandma wasn’t the only agenda item for Mr. Obama on that trip. He also took a detour to have the Governor of the State “seal his birth certificate to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.” Now, why would a President who professes transparency move to have his original birth records sealed?
What else has this guy lied about?
What else will this guy lie about?”
As I recall, “American_Way” –
The Iraq War would “pay for itself.”
Hasn’t George WMD Bush’s promise been kept?
(I haven’t paid enough attention, obviously.)
Obama DOJ lies to Politico in defending hate brief against gays
by John Aravosis (DC) on 6/12/2009 01:26:00 PM
Ben Smith at Politico just reported the following statement from the Department of Justice over their brief, filed last night, comparing gay marriage to incest:
As it generally does with existing statutes, the Justice Department is defending the law on the books in court. The president has said he wants to see a legislative repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act because it prevents LGBT couples from being granted equal rights and benefits. However, until Congress passes legislation repealing the law, the administration will continue to defend the statute when it is challenged in the justice system.
Yeah, you see, that’s an outright lie. Fortunately for you, and unfortunately for Justice, Joe and I are both lawyers. We suspected this betrayal was coming, so we read up on the law. In fact, George W. Bush (ACLU et al., v. Norman Y. Mineta – “The U.S. Department of Justice has notified Congress that it will not defend a law prohibiting the display of marijuana policy reform ads in public transit systems.”), Bill Clinton (Dickerson v. United States – “Because the Miranda decision is of constitutional dimension, Congress may not legislate a contrary rule unless this Court were to overrule Miranda…. Section 3501 cannot constitutionally authorize the admission of a statement that would be excluded under this Court’s Miranda cases.”), George HW Bush (Metro Broadcasting v. Federal Communications Commission), and Ronald Reagan (INS v./ Chadha – “Chadha then filed a petition for review of the deportation order in the Court of Appeals, and the INS joined him in arguing that § 244(c)(2) is unconstitutional.”) all joined in lawsuits opposing federal laws that they didn’t like, laws that they felt were unconstitutional. It is an outright lie to suggest that the DOJ had no choice.
But it’s worse than that.
http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-doj-lies-to-politico-in-defending.html
“(I haven’t paid enough attention, obviously.)”
Monkeyhawk
I think your money would qualify as “chump change”.
Bush isn’t president. He is history. Do try to keep up.,
Chas must still be searching for:
Quotes!
Quotes!
Qoutes!
Tempus Fugi
Time Fly’s
Tick-tock……
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 4:11 pm | Permalink
Show me the two years specifically ChAS..
Otherwise, your talk is cheap.
Cheap, cheap, cheap.
Quotes
Quotes
Quotes
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Try the State of the Union Address, that I referred to above…. Google is your friend!! It’s been on all the news channels too….
Deficit reflects difficult challenge
Why I’m shocked liberal are afraid to speak out against the Obama huge annual deficit spending.
Shocked I tell you.
They were all so very, very concerned about the Bush spending (trivial in comparison to Baracks).
And Moneky, your attack on me doesn’t count as discussion. Just more trollish behavior.
The Weblog even GAVE you libs a thread to discuss
your party running the nation into the dirt. Deficit spending beyond hope of recovery.
Maybe that’s the hope you all believe in?
I’m not sure if this is the appropriate thread and it’s not important enough to look for it.
The funny thing is, Zack Grienke of the Kansas City Royals struck out a National League All-Star with what was, essentially, the same pitch President Obama tossed in the opening ceremony.
Granted, Grienke preceded that change-up with four 96 mph fastballs.
Still…
If it’s as important as some of WE Blog’s CONs thought it was…
From http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/act :
“Save and create more than 3.5 million jobs over the next two years;”
Kind looks like a 2 year program to me…
How much of the Recovery Act money been spent so far?
Two years in there Chas?
“Google is your friend!!”
“The White House has been criticized for being overly rosy about employment projections. Just 10 days before taking office, Obama’s top economic advisers released a report predicting unemployment would remain at 8 percent or below through this year if an economic stimulus plan won congressional approval.”
“U.S. President Barack Obama Tuesday admitted earlier predictions by his administration were too optimistic and says it is now clear the country’s unemployment rate will top 10 percent this year.”
And then there is Joe:
Biden Says ‘Everyone Guessed Wrong’ on Unemployment Numbers
“American_Way” plays cat-at-the-keyboard with –
“Two years in there Chas?”
I suspect I may be speaking for many others when I say:
Huh?
And darn that VP Biden. Such a liar!
He said that Obama didn’t anticipate such a terrible recession.
All of them – liars!!!!
And Biden was even at the State of the Union Address.
Must have had wax in his ears.
Now how about when Obama ordered – ordered congress to pass the Stimulus Package (recovery act) while he was taking his woman to Chicago for Valentines Day?
Any mention of two years?
Creating/saving jobs over 2 years does NOT equal the statement.
I always count on AMWAY to fairly represent the Democratic point of view….
” The president has said he wants to see a legislative repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act because it prevents LGBT couples from being granted equal rights and benefits. However, until Congress passes legislation repealing the law, the administration will continue to defend the statute when it is challenged in the justice system.” [AmWay]
ummmm…. last I checked, we still have a separation of powers thing going…. Since when is the “administration” a part of the DOJ??? Hmmmm????
Obama is pushing for the repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act… Until repealed, it is still LAW… Deal with it…. IF he opposed it any more than he already has done, you would slam him for going above the Law…. Nice try, AmWay… You just cant make it work for ya, eh??
In fact, I can see that everyone must be a liar but AmWay.. who alone knows the Truth (capital T).
We are so honored to have you….
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 4:36 pm | Permalink
Two years in there Chas?
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Yea, AmWay it is in there… State of the Union just like I told you… Do you have your blinders so firmly in place, you are now unable to read simple English???
As to your damned griping about unemployment, Obama said unemployment will be down to around 8% by YEAR END… When I looked today, this is JULY…. Come back with your complaint if unemployment is still 9.5% in December….
Until then, tell us what you are failing to understand when Obama said: “Things will get worse before they get better….?
And still you say Obama lied??? He didnt LIE… The problem is that you CONS just dont know truth when you hear it, so you feel forced to make up a bunch of hogwash… So you will have something to bi tch about….
Stimulus … TWO year program…. Next you will ask Obama to walk on water…. or feed 5,000 with 5 loaves and two small fish…
Of course, Obama must have promised that one of the worst recessions in history would be ended as soon as the bill was passed?
Mature citizens know things take time.
“chas”….as usual, is wrong again.
“last I checked, we still have a separation of powers thing going…. Since when is the “administration” a part of the DOJ???”
you might want to CHECK the FACTS for a change? The DOJ is headed by the Attorney General–who is APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT..not Congress, not the Supreme Court. Separation of powers and checks/balances refers to the 3 branches of government..legislative/judicial/executive. the DOJ falls under the executive.
go back to grade school and learn something for a change.
June 9 — “President Barack Obama said on Monday accelerated stimulus spending would create or save 600,000 jobs over the next 100 days, pledging action to slow the growth of unemployment that has reached a 25-year high.”
Godspeed Endeavour!!
Dear Friends,
Today our Senate health committee passed The Affordable Health Choices Act by a solid majority. This legislation will dramatically reduce the number of people without insurance and bring major changes to America’s health system, taking us one step closer to high-quality health care that reduces costs for families and businesses while protecting people’s choice of doctors, hospitals and insurance plans. Perhaps most importantly, it begins to redirect our system to keep people healthy and well in the first place through prevention and public health efforts, rather than merely changing how we pay for people who get sick.
Reforming our nation’s health care system is long overdue. According to a report released by Families USA in March, more than one out of four people (26.6 percent) in Iowa under the age of 65 went without health insurance for all or part of 2007 and 2008. Of that number, more than two-thirds (69.8 percent) went without health coverage for six months or more. Since 2000, the average family premiums have increased by 88 percent in Iowa and 19 percent of middle-income Iowa families spend more than 10 percent of their income on health care.
As I have been working to craft his legislation in Washington, my staff has been traveling to all of Iowa’s 99 counties, holding listening posts on the issue. And everywhere they go, the message is clear: Iowans are fed up with the system and are ready for reform.
Put simply, this bill is going to cover the uninsured by building on what works. The bill will extend coverage to an estimated 97 percent of Americans, while protecting people’s choice of doctors, hospitals, and insurance plans. Those who currently have affordable coverage will be able to keep it, but those who lack coverage will have new options available to ensure they are protected. If you like your doctor, you’re going to be able to keep that doctor. If you like your insurance, no one is going to make you change it. If you don’t, you’ll finally have affordable options available to you.
Low-income families and individuals (those living below 150 percent of the federal poverty level) will be covered by an expanded Medicaid program. For those above that income level, insurance will be available for purchase through new state health insurance gateways. These subsidies will ensure that health care no longer breaks the family budget. The guarantee we’ll make to Americans will be that no longer someone with a pre-existing condition such as a heart attack, cancer, or even being the victim of domestic violence, be prohibited from obtaining insurance.
Currently in Iowa, premiums can vary, within limits, based on demographic factors and health status, and coverage can exclude pre-existing conditions or even be denied completely. Availability and renewability of coverage will be guaranteed and health insurance plans will be prohibited from establishing lifetime or annual limits on benefits.
One of the choices available for purchase under the Gateway will be a strong public option. Of course, participation in a public option will be just that – an option. But in many parts of the country, including rural America, some private insurers have a virtual monopoly in the individual and small-group market.
That is exactly why Americans need to have the option of a public plan as they shop for insurance. Every consumer knows that the best bet for getting a good deal is if two things are present: choice and competition. A public option is also about insurance portability, having at least one plan that is available in every part of the country. This will keep private plans lean and honest.
But rather than merely extending health coverage, The Affordable Health Choices Act will finally begin to reorient our health care system toward a culture of prevention and wellness. I have long believed that in America, we do not have a health care system, we have a sick care system. If you get sick, you get care. All of the incentives in our environment – from our workplaces to clinical settings and communities – encourage unhealthy behavior. This legislation realigns those incentives to make it easier to be healthy.
The Prevention and Public Health title creates incentives to prevent chronic disease and rein in costs across the health care spectrum. It creates a new inter-agency council to develop a national health strategy supported by a dedicated funding stream. It also provides doctor training and coverage of preventive services and the elimination of co-pays and deductibles for these services. At the grassroots level, it provides grants for community initiatives to encourage fitness, healthy eating and other initiatives. In short, it takes steps to reduce chronic disease – one of the biggest cost drivers in health care!
Currently, we are still debating how to pay for the costs of health reform. But my colleagues and I have made a commitment that this legislation will be fully paid for and we intend to keep it. We are determined to undertake this reform in a fiscally responsible manner, and will not add the cost of this bill to the deficit.
But, what we cannot afford to do is allow the challenges of paying for the legislation prevent us from acting. Indeed, if we don’t act now, the cost of health care will continue to hurt families, businesses and our economy as a whole. Health care costs are currently rising at twice the rate of inflation. The more than $2 trillion we currently spend on health care is expected to reach over $4 trillion by 2017. The cost of a family health insurance policy is currently 17 percent of median income, and is predicted to be 35-40 percent in ten years. Without reform, over the next 10 years, America will spend more than $33 trillion on health care. Not acting is not an option.
All in all, I am excited for the positive changes that this reform will bring to all Americans. I look forward to working in Congress to pass a strong bill that makes the promise of quality, affordable health care a reality for all Americans.
Your Senator,
Tom Harkin
Harkin.senate.gov
Hey ‘chas’…for your education…there are 15 departments that make up the EXECUTIVE branch. They are (along with the year established)
Department of State (1789)
Department of the Treasury (1789)
Department of the Interior (1849)
Department of Agriculture (1862)
Department of Justice (1870)
Department of Commerce (1913)
Department of Labor (1913)
Department of Defense (1947)
Department of Housing and Urban Development (1965)
Department of Transportation (1967)
Department of Energy (1977)
Department of Health and Human Services (1979)
Department of Education (1980)
Department of Veterans Affairs (1989)
Department of Homeland Security (2003)
Care to rescind your idiocy of 4:55PM?
ut oh.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGeZQrpZbjI&feature=player_embedded
Beck discusses health care.. then, suddenly…
“Suddenly, Beck was emitting horrifying high-pitched shrieks, wailing, “GET OFF MY PHONE! GET OFF MY PHONE!” and a bunch of other terrifying stuff that only dogs can hear. Jeezy creezy the guy is just all messed up inside!”
Chas, that’s from Tom Harkin, not Obama.
“Care to rescind your idiocy of 4:55PM?”
Of course not. He just confused The Supreme Court with the DOJ.
You forgot the Czars, Raptor – you know, the ones that have Cabinet level power and unconfirmed and not vetted by Congressional oversight.
Raptor
Posted July 15, 2009 at 4:59 pm | Permalink
“chas”….as usual, is wrong again.
“last I checked, we still have a separation of powers thing going…. Since when is the “administration” a part of the DOJ???”
you might want to CHECK the FACTS for a change? The DOJ is headed by the Attorney General–who is APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT..not Congress, not the Supreme Court. Separation of powers and checks/balances refers to the 3 branches of government..legislative/judicial/executive. the DOJ falls under the executive.
go back to grade school and learn something for a change.
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I believe that there is Summer School available for folks like you, Raptor… Contrary to your terribly errant post above, the DOJ is part of the Executive… However, the President isnt part of the Department of Justice… Which is what I said before… Which is why the administration is still defending the Defense of Marriage Act, UNTIL it is repealed by Congress…
See below >>>>
“The DOJ is comprised of 40 component organizations, including the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Marshals, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The Attorney General is the head of the DOJ and chief law enforcement officer of the federal government. The Attorney General represents the United States in legal matters, advises the President and the heads of the executive departments of the government, and occasionally appears in person before the Supreme Court.”
http://www.whitehouse.gov/our_government/executive_branch/
JimJohnson
Posted July 15, 2009 at 5:17 pm | Permalink
Chas, that’s from Tom Harkin, not Obama.
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No Siht, Sherlock… Your point is??
Say AmWay, nice partial list of Obama Lies at 4:27.
Hard to keep up with all of them.
It’s funny how some foolish people still believe what HE says vs what HE does.
They call those people: $ U C K E R S
And they are born every minute.
(Oh, and AmWay, you are on a nice Roll. Keep on Rollin!)
Have fun talking to yourself, Johnson, and goons… Better things to do here tonight…
Chas
Posted July 15, 2009 at 5:23 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson
Posted July 15, 2009 at 5:17 pm | Permalink
Chas, that’s from Tom Harkin, not Obama.
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No Siht, Sherlock… Your point is??
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Oh sorry Chas, I thought that was your response to AmWay, to show him how the Obama Administration said the Stimulus would take 2 years to work.
They say something different every day though. Hard to keep track.
Did you find that quote yet?
huh?
“Contrary to your terribly errant post above, the DOJ is part of the Executive…”
Isn;t that EXACTLY what I just said? What is errant about my post in the DOJ being one of the departments of the executive branch?
you have really lost it, haven’t you, “chas”?
I bet Chas.
No fun getting your a@@ whooped, is it boy!
Less than 10% of the Recovery Act money has been spent… FYI>
“Nationwide, the administration says, only about 7 percent of the stimulus money has been allocated so far and most of the impact of the spending will be felt in late 2009 and throughout 2010.”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/15/obama_gop_pick_stimulus_fight.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Yep, it’s official.
Flood the board with quotes and items agreeing with predetermined politics in an attempt to drown opposition, without really building any sort of case.
AmWay, like Jim Johnson, has joined the ranks of spam trolls.
Re: AmWay
DNFTST
The ‘jawless fish’ is incapable of chewing its food.
Agnatha, can’t handle the truth!
Resorts to name calling.
SSDD
Flooding the board with information from cited sources to support your statements is trolling?
LOL!
Just as long as you can feel you whooped someone.. that’s all that’s important, Jimbo.
Watched the movie “Tropic Thunder” a couple weeks ago. Thought Robert Downey Jr’s character nailed Obama with this quote:
“Me? I know who I am! I’m a dude, disguised as a dude, who’s playing another dude!”
Oh, and Amway, just to add to your lie list, going back to the campaign days, there was the little gem about his Ma & Pa meeting on the bridge at Selma, AL…even though he was born before that march happened…or how he’d been a Christian his entire life, yet Rev Wright “brought him to Christ” (guess Rev Wright musta started out preaching in HI/Indonesia/CA/NY following Barry Soetoro around)..Chas, need some “expert” help on this one..isn’t Christ part & parcel with Christianity…I mean you can’t spell Christianity without using Christ….
Ever have good paying job working for a poor guy?
No.
And if you want an even worse job, work for a rich guy.
Americans get good paying jobs for UNIONIZED companies like UPS.
How about this one:
The promise: “I will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.”
That was the promise. The facts?
Credit card bill of rights passed without five-day break.
Obama signed an expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides health coverage for low-income children. He signed it on Feb. 4, 2009, just hours after it was finalized in Congress
Congressional Record shows that the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act was passed in the Senate on Jan. 22, 2009, passed in the House on Jan. 27, and signed by the president on Jan. 29. So only two days passed between the bill’s final passage and the signing.
bho is a liar. plain and simple. and I am sure the standard response of ‘bush bush bush bush bush” will be made…that does NOT deny the FACT that bho is a liar. proven over and over.
Here Johnson is your quote >>>>
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/07/15/obama_gop_pick_stimulus_fight.html?hpid=moreheadlines
OKO–
Did you personally see Raj Goyle “campaigning” at the polling site?
Not “heard” or “heard about” or “read about.”
Did you see him yourself at your polling place?
And here’s another one for you Dimbo Jimbo…
http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/act :
Sure looks like TWO YEARS in that one too!! LOL
OK bye now… Good TV on tonight….
U.S. will not ban war zone smoking
O’BAMA always wanted to say “Smokem if ya gottem.” in a military environment, so he reserved the right to do so.
How about another?
“During 2009 and 2010, existing businesses will receive a $3,000 refundable tax credit for each additional full-time employee hired.”
the facts? The credit was never part of the stimulus legislation, and it was not included in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
bho is a liar.
Liar liar pants on fire!!!
Remember when the CO of some SC military base said, “if Clinton comes here, he better have a bodyguard?”
And Clinton did nothing?
Well, our man Obama’s not going to take that siht.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383.html
UPDATE: The Army has revoked the deployment orders for a soldier who said he shouldn’t have to go to Afghanistan because (he believes) Barack Obama was never eligible to be president.
. . .
Heh, next comes the Dishonorable Discharge.
Talk siht against your Commander-in-Chief, i. e. your effing BOSS, and he’s gonna smack your stupid arse down.
Soldiers refusing to deploy happens under every President, in all conflicts no matter the importance or size of the conflict.
Nothing new here, move along now…
as usual..”capn” sees everything in black and white, right and wrong, good and bad. Too bad the world isn’t quite that fairy tale simplistic.
The Motley Fool, on his website, discusses both pro AND con of unions. There are negatives such as causing inflexibilty in business, promotions due solely to longevity instead of ability, etc.
As with most things, there are good and bad..as recognized by most realistic people.
Heh, next comes the Dishonorable Discharge.
Naw, probably would get a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD).
The thing is, Regular, the Army MAJOR didn’t refuse to deploy.
He said he shouldn’t have to deploy until his Commander-in-Chief PROVES he’s a US citizen.
Apparently, his boss was all too happy to take him up on it . . . hehehe . . .
He was also fired from his Defense Dept. contracting job too.
Now drop and give me twenty, maggot.
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CraponAmerica
Posted July 15, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Permalink
OKO–
Did you personally see Raj Goyle “campaigning” at the polling site?
Not “heard” or “heard about” or “read about.”
Did you see him yourself at your polling place?
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You mean, like did you actually SEE Hitler kill a jew?
As painful as this is…I’d have to agree with Chas that it was a pretty heated issue during the stimulus debates, that the lion’s share of the money wouldn’t be spent until…huh….election years. Lots of making fun of the fact that the chicken little approach to getting it signed ASAP, not knowing what all was in it, etc..only to find out more was to be spent in ‘10/’11/’12 than ‘09.
But, the more important point, BHO’s a liar. Just to add to the list, whatever happened to the “line by line/fine tooth comb” approach that was going to be applied to the budget to cut spending, ie, the “scalpel vs ax approach that McCain suggests with his across the board cuts”…apparently he’s got him one of them fancy augmentation scalpels that plastic surgeons use, because he ADDED over $600B to the budget (not sure if the budget got silicon or saline)..and weird, haven’t heard about any of those programs that aren’t working getting cut by that scalpel either…but good news, the healthcare bill alone adds 31 new offices/departments to the fed govt! Yippee….
Okay, Biased1–
I asked and you have chosen to refuse.
Fine.
You are now on “ignore.”
Deadliest month in Afghanistan in 8 years….
Iraq, not so much.
I wish libtards could win a war….
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CRapOnAmerica
Posted July 15, 2009 at 6:38 pm | Permalink
Okay, Biased1–
I asked and you have chosen to refuse.
Fine.
You are now on “ignore.”
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Is that all it took?
that was easy….
but i’m crying right now….
heh, heh..
DFnB- the healthcare bill alone adds 31 new offices/departments to the fed govt! Yippee….
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Is one of them a Czar by chance?
biased…how DARE you not answer “capn’s” question! The nerve…the daring to not do as commanded by the boss of the blog.
and now (gasp)the dreaded fake ignore! ohhh..the humiliation. How will you ever face yourself again??
OK just for the record, earlier today the AP reported that Sotomayer stood by her “a wise Latino woman” comment. She did not say that she said that she stood by her words she said yesterday about it was bad what she said as to a wise Latino woman.
NOW much seems to be made about an exchange between Senator Coburn and Sotomayer.
“ you have a lot of xplaning to do!” the comment was made about what would happen if she came back with a gun and shot him. She would have a lot of explaining as to why it would have been self defense. Gee keep the topic as factual as possible Too many people are not smart enough to know the reality and will believe anything said. In this case it is liberals being spoon fed crap.
“writerdog” in jest:
Sotomayer has never used and will never used the phrase,“a wise Latino woman”. Now saying, ‘a wise latina woman’ is another subject.
Soldiers refusing to deploy because they claim the President is not really the President is a new wrinkle for cowards, though …. but of course the Meatball-Stream-Media is keeping this fiction alive for the weak-minded
Here’s our Irresponsible and Incompetent Government in Action!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/15/day-sotomayor-returns-questions/
Leahy has voiced confidence that Sotomayor will be confirmed, and with some Republican support. He confessed Wednesday that as the hearing dragged on, he’d stopped listening at times to the exchange and had been daydreaming about his farmhouse in Vermont.
Raptor
Posted July 15, 2009 at 6:02 pm | Permalink
How about this one:
The promise: “I will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.”
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Oh, and now Obama is gonna try to do the same thing with Obamacare, by pushing Congress to pass it before their August vacation.
Sweeping Huge Legislation under the rug without having the Light of Day touch it, is the way Obama works.
F uc k transparency in Government.
Chas, your link provides ZERO quotes from Obama or his administration AT THE TIME that said the stimulus would take YEARS to work.
Obama’s website today, and that AZ website prove NOTHING.
FROM THE WHITEHOUSE:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Summary_Tables2.pdf
Unemployment Projection
2009 – 8.1%
2010 – 7.9%
2011 – 7.1%
2012 – 7.1%
(Table 8)
OBAMA LIED!
Since President Obama signed the $787 billion stimulus package in February, more than two million jobs have been lost and unemployment has hit its highest rate in a quarter century, 9.5 percent.
“The administration promised the stimulus would keep unemployment below 8 percent, and they promised the stimulus would create jobs immediately,” House Minority leader John Boehner said Thursday. (Officials actually predicted it would stay below 8.5 percent.)
“It’s pretty clear now that the administration was wrong. The bottom line is this: The stimulus isn’t creating enough jobs,” Boehner said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/09/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5147716.shtml
Biased1 asked: “Is one of them a Czar by chance?”
Don’t know if any of them got that exact title, but there’s a few new “bureaus” and something called the “Health Choice Committee” or something like that, that seems to have the reins to the whole shooting match…odds are there’ll be a few new czars to add to the mix, because obviously the HHS Sec, Health Czar, AIDS Czar, etc just won’t be enough…I mean, how could a country run with less than 50 czars, and he’s only up to 34 so far…
Like O man said, wasn’t wrong, just had misinformation on how bad things really were. But since we know it’s the worst recession since the depression, it’ll take a while to fix.
I heard the other day that this was the first recession to completely negate the gains from the upswing in the previous business cycle. That’s what bush left obama, and a financial economy on the brink of collapse.
Unemployment Projection
2009 – 8.1%
2010 – 7.9%
2011 – 7.1%
2012 – 7.1%
Huh..math doesn’t seem to work either, since he promised 3.5M new jobs, and if there’s about 180M workers in the US, knocking 1% off the unemployment rolls only means 1.8M jobs..oh well, a $1-$1.6T healthcare plan will be “free” too..just trust him, I’m sure the math works just as well…
I see John Boehner has tried to show that national health care is impossible through use of a busy chart.
This of course compares to the rather simpler Republican plan.
Poor?
Die.
Here is Obama’s table showing Unemployment WITH and WITHOUT HIS Stimulus Plan:
http://otrans.3cdn.net/ee40602f9a7d8172b8_ozm6bt5oi.pdf
(Figure 1)
WITH OBAMA’S PLAN
2009 Highest Unemployment just under 8%
2010 Falling to 7% by end of 2010
2011 Falling to 6.5% by end of 2011
2012 Falling to 5.5% by end of 2012
WITHOUT OBAMA’S PLAN
2009 Hitting 9% by end of the year
2010 9% most of the year
2011 Falling to 7% by end of 2011
2012 Falling to 6% by end of 2012
In Short: OBAMA LIED
Lot’s libs spouting the party line, “Less than 10% of the Recovery Act money has been spent…”
In other words, the issue with the trillion dollar Recovery Act is not working is only a matter of time.
They truly believe the faster you can spend money, the faster utopia will appear.
THROW MORE MONEY MORE FASTER.
The issue is that the Recovery Plan is not working. That is not just a matter of spending money.
15 million unemployed Americans. More projected. Business is not booming. Factories are still cutting inventory. No plans on hiring. States are still broke – and cities and local governents across America are announcing layoffs.
It’s not working.
Get it?
“Chas, your link provides ZERO quotes from Obama or his administration ”
There is little doubt now that Chas lied. It becomes more obvious to those who know his posting habits when you consider the bogus link he provides
and then departs. (reading in stealth)
Is it any wonder Chas so BOLDLY protests anyone revealing Obama’s lies?
They are both liars.
NEXT: Obama will Sell 3 MORE Pigs in a Poke:
1. Stimulus II
2. ObamaCare
3. Cap & Tax
Obama has already lost any credibility that he knows what he’s doing.
His Judgement is now in Question.
What did you expect from someone with no experience?
Does America have time for a President who’s only experience is coming from ON THE JOB TRAINING?
So Jim Johnson, from what you’ve posted from the mouth of the Prez himself:
We are spending a trillion dollars for:
WITHOUT OBAMA’S PLAN
2009 Hitting 9% by end of the year
2010 9% most of the year
Or in other words:
Obama’s plan didn’t work?
Biased1 – here’s the chart the GOP staffers made up based on the healthcare bill..it’s kinda like a Where’s Waldo book, so good luck finding the Waldo Czar…
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/JEC%20Health%20Chart.pdf
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:27 pm | Permalink
Lot’s libs spouting the party line, “Less than 10% of the Recovery Act money has been spent…”
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And who’s fault is that?
Maybe Obama wanted us to suffer longer, so he could save us with even MORE Government programs, like ObamaCare & Cap N Tax, and Stimulus II.
sounds like a great plan, bj. are you volunteering to go first???
“Does America have time for a President who’s only experience is coming from ON THE JOB TRAINING?”
Was that Hillary or Biden’s quote?? :)
“Agnatha
Posted July 15, 2009 at 5:31 pm | Permalink
Yep, it’s official.”
Agnatha, a careful review of the Weblog reveals your total number of posts today:
Number of posts with content or subject matter = 0
Number of posts trolling other posters = 1
Yep, it’s official.
No but thank you for reaffirming the Republican position Raptor.
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:31 pm | Permalink
So Jim Johnson, from what you’ve posted from the mouth of the Prez himself:
We are spending a trillion dollars for:
WITHOUT OBAMA’S PLAN
2009 Hitting 9% by end of the year
2010 9% most of the year
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Yeah, without Obama’s plan we would have been BETTER OFF!
Agnatha only had one post on the thread.
Only one.
And in that one lonely post, Agnatha attacks other posters – calling them trolls.
The audacity of some people.
Hypocrite!
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:32 pm | Permalink
Or in other words:
Obama’s plan didn’t work?
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Not only did Obama’s plan NOT WORK, it MADE THINGS WORSE!
BlueJay
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:17 pm | Permalink
I see John Boehner has tried to show that national health care is impossible through use of a busy chart.
This of course compares to the rather simpler Republican plan.
Poor?
Die.
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What? Are you dying? Is your son?
You said you were both under Republican Government plans now, and in fact, they work great!
DFB
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:33 pm | Permalink
“Does America have time for a President who’s only experience is coming from ON THE JOB TRAINING?”
Was that Hillary or Biden’s quote?? :)
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Could be both.
I know Biden said that Obama was articulate and clean.
Most economists believe the U.S. doesn’t need another round of stimulus now despite expectations of continued severe job losses.
Just eight of 51 economists in The Wall Street Journal’s latest forecasting survey said more stimulus is necessary, suggesting an average of about $600 billion in additional spending. On average, the economists forecast an unemployment rate of at least 10% through next June, with a decline to 9.5% by December 2010.
“The mother of all jobless recoveries is coming down the pike,” said Allen Sinai of Decision Economics.
Most economists appear content to take the wait-and-see approach, as on average they are expecting the just-ended second quarter to be the last in which gross domestic product contracts. They forecast growth rising more than 2% on a seasonally adjusted annualized basis in the first half of 2010. Meanwhile, the median forecast sees the end of the recession next month.” WSJ
BTW, 2% growth is not enough to fund the Obama projected budget. Obama projected rosy growth when he sent the Recovery Act to congress. He had to – to keep the true cost hidden. This is why the Obama numbers not working – bode even worse for America’s future.
“What? Are you dying? Is your son?”
From what BJ has posted – his son is thriving! Did purty good under Bush those long 8 years.
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:30 pm | Permalink
“Chas, your link provides ZERO quotes from Obama or his administration ”
There is little doubt now that Chas lied. It becomes more obvious to those who know his posting habits when you consider the bogus link he provides
and then departs. (reading in stealth)
Is it any wonder Chas so BOLDLY protests anyone revealing Obama’s lies?
They are both liars.
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Yes, and Chas’ devotion to the one is blind. That is why he gets so upset when ANYONE posts any news reports (even citing sources) criticizing the performance of Obama.
They are two lying peas in a pod. (Only Obama doesn’t type in ALL CAPS, as far as I can tell.)
WHOOPS!
Sorry, THE ONE should always be capitalized.
“From what BJ has posted – his son is thriving! Did purty good under Bush those long 8 years.”
Oh not true. “No child left behind” has been very hard on him.
Really BJ, how has NCLB been hard on your son?
So, BJ, you acknowledge you and your son have had good government health care for quite some time?
Even without ObamaCare?
simple, jj…he hasnt’ gotten enough FREE STUFF…
Here is the dirty little secret the libs are missing.
When it is reported that the Recovery Act isn’t working – it isn’t because the money hasn’t been spent yet.
It’s because most of the money in the Recovery Act really is not meant to stimulate a true recovery from recession.
The Recovery Act is about social engineering.
And the libs have to get mad (angry by some polls) because the truth is being quickly revealed.
That is why SOME libs are proposing MORE stimulus.
Because the first stimulus really wasn’t designed to put people to work.
[The Recovery Act] simply has nothing to do with any serious economic thinking, as Pete’s post below suggests. This is why people like Krugman and DeLong have to accuse their opponents of acting in bad faith: there is precious little economic evidence for the benefits of large fiscal policy initiatives. What these are really about is enacting programs and policies that people like them have wanted for years on their own supposed merits, independent of any “stimulus.” The crisis is just the reason to carpe diem. So rather than a debate over the merits of particular programs, we get the language of crisis and fear thrown at us so that we’ll swallow them all, whole hog, with little debate. Accusing your opponents of being “ethics-free Republican hacks” and refusing to examine the actual evidence of the Hoover and FDR years means you don’t have to argue for the merits of the individual pieces, just scare the public and demonize the opposition. Of course, that’s exactly what these same folks complained about after 9/11. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss indeed. (And the evidence against The Shock Doctrine is now approaching that of The Population Bomb.)
Bottom line: the more that those of us who are skeptical continue to even refer to this as a “stimulus” plan, the more we play into the other side’s hands. This isn’t a stimulus package, it’s a whole bunch of programs designed to extend the state’s role in the economy and in our personal lives, and to do so at enormous cost to us, and to our children and grandchildren. Let’s challenge the rhetoric of fear and crisis and name this for what it is: the current majority’s attempt to do exactly what the Bush Administration did post-9/11, which is to use fear and crisis to pass programs that will impoverish us and curtail our freedoms, and to do so with the minimum of serious debate possible.”
Austrian Econmists
“BJ, you acknowledge you and your son have had good government health care for quite some time?”
No, I did not. And sharing with cons about my son is a waste of time. As this forum has helped me teach him, they do not care.
So rather than a debate over the merits of particular programs, we get the language of crisis and fear thrown at us so that we’ll swallow them all, whole hog, with little debate.
It is Obamas method of operation.
Read Healthcare.
Read Cap and Tax.
Raptor
Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
simple, jj…he hasnt’ gotten enough FREE STUFF…
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And he can’t understand why so many others have MORE STUFF.
He cannot comprehend how people actually EARN things!
bj..why should we care? you have clearly stated we are ‘the hated enemy’. remember?
The Fear Motivation and manipulation in the media of emergency after emergency and the sheep willfully falling for it would make
Joseph Goebbels, Adolf Hitlers propaganda minister
proud.
Truly the public is being led.
Ah, well that explains it!!!! Those are Socially Engineered bridges and roads being built! And we though those guys were CIVIL ENGINEERS!
It is so good you are in possession of the hidden and secret Truth and share it with us.. Please send more tin foil!
‘And he can’t understand why so many others have MORE STUFF.”
I am VERY aware of how some people come to have a lot of stuff. They trick other people into making them money.
BlueJay
Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:05 pm | Permalink
“BJ, you acknowledge you and your son have had good government health care for quite some time?”
No, I did not. And sharing with cons about my son is a waste of time. As this forum has helped me teach him, they do not care.
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No you said just the other day you had great service getting free healthcare.
Oh no, once you drag out the Third Reich, the thread is dead….
“bj..why should we care? you have clearly stated we are ‘the hated enemy’. remember?”
Since you wished me dead upthread, it is clear that my perception of Republicans as an enemy would seem to have been correct.
Like I didn’t already know that.
“He cannot comprehend how people actually EARN things!”
Well I don’t know how the kid could learn anything since his father sneaks around with a certain kind of woman and refuses to take them home for his son to meet.
How can the poor kid learn about real relationships?
All he is left with is the internet.
The mad cow says “Maybe the rest of the herd is mad.”
“No you said just the other day you had great service getting free healthcare.”
No, I said that my great aunt who was on Medicaid and my son get great care.
wrong again, bj….our limited success is because we WORKED to get thru college, and WORK every day…not expecting FREE STUFF, but rather being responsible instead of waiting for handouts.
” it is clear that my perception of Republicans as an enemy”
So, if one liberal says that to me, then I should “perceive” all libs to be the same?
Cows talk?
Dead Nazis can be proud?
awwww…poor victim bj is now making up things. i only agreed with your stupid claim…i never once said anything about ‘wishing’ you dead. you poor misguided pathetic excuse for a person.
“our limited success is because we WORKED to get thru college,”
Yes, but you have meanwhile supported the devaluation of labor. Now, it is starting to hit people like you. But still, the idea that your college educated labor is more valuable or respectable than other labor remains.
BlueJay
Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:12 pm | Permalink
“No you said just the other day you had great service getting free healthcare.”
No, I said that my great aunt who was on Medicaid and my son get great care.
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Oh, so the present Government system works for those who can’t pay.
It doesn’t work for those who choose not to pay.
“would” Daniel. But still a good try. LoL
BlueJay
Posted July 13, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
Government health care:
Took my son to the dentist today. He gets to go every three months. Your average employer insurance allows for only every six months. AND there was less than a five minute wait.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-713-3/#comment-619057
The present system is fine then.
BlueJay
Posted July 13, 2009 at 9:40 pm | Permalink
“Who paid for it BJ?”
The Government of course. JUST as the founders prescribed.
“promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity comes” comes right after “provide for the common defense”.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/open-thread-713-3/#comment-619067
And the Government paid for it!
That’s something to be proud about!
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Say Boxlock!
Raptor I have said upfront that I do not like you and yours and feel there can be no meaningfully useful discussion with them. YOU have pleaded otherwise but are the first to call names?
BlueJay
Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:09 pm | Permalink
‘And he can’t understand why so many others have MORE STUFF.”
I am VERY aware of how some people come to have a lot of stuff. They trick other people into making them money.
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Like Obama does with the Government Money Press.
“It doesn’t work for those who choose not to pay.”
That will be interesting to see – if the Obama plan currenlty floating through congress truly WILL make them pay (those who have insurance available but refuse to pay for it).
When $88,000.00 is the threshold for FREE healthcare, I don’t see whom would be paying anything.
Except of course – those of us
285,000,000 American WITH healthcare will pay more.
Yep.
Obama is cutting funding to hospitals and doctors under his plan (medicare savings).
Obama is going to hit up medical service companies and drug manufacturers.
So just WHERE do you suppose those providing healthcare in this country, and those providing the drugs and services, are going to make up their money?
You got it: On those suckers still paying into the system.
Say, did GM, Chrysler, the Banks, and Insurance Companies all trick Obama into making money for them?
“And the Government paid for it!
That’s something to be proud about!”
It sure is. And it is very much in line with my long held beliefs.
Compassion and societal obligation to individuals is winning. It is winning by degrees, but winning nonetheless.
I help with Cities in Schools and I can testify to the fact that many children have been helped by this program. The teachers have had to work with the underachievers to find out why they aren’t learning and able to pass tests. This has led to identifying dyslexics and other learning disabilities glossed over previously while the child was just moved along. Anyone who has worked with public schools as a parent, volunteer or in any other compacity has seen this happen.
NCLB made the instructors accountable for the advancement of all students and not just those who were easy to teach.
How much money has Obama made for YOU?
You didn’t think doctors, hospitals, nurses, medical technicians, medical equipement makers and service providers ARE GOING TO WORK FOR FREE DO YOU???
Do you think for one moment they will work for any LESS money than they make now?
Nope.
The truth is: Someone always has to pay.
“advancement of all students and not just those who were easy to teach”
Is it true that NCLB held up the smart kids so the dumb kids had time to catch up?
“NCLB made the instructors accountable for the advancement of all students and not just those who were easy to teach.”
I have a rather different and personal experience. But as noted above, I won’t share it with people with whom it would make no difference anyway.
“Anyone who has worked with public schools as a parent, volunteer or in any other compacity has seen this happen.”
Parent, volunteer and I don’t know about other compacity.
No child left behind was a noble idea. But it’s implementation under a Republican administration has been a disaster.
Incidentally, my late great aunt was a volunteer grandma in a school for over 17 years. She changed from Republican to Obama supporter because of “No child left behind”.
Well BJ I guess insanity is hereditary. You get it from your nephews. Thinking that NCLB was bad because it was a republican plan is sheer idiocy. But what more can I expect from you.
Amway I don’t see that it held anyone back. What happened was that the child having problems was singled out and helped by someone outside the classroom. This was sometimes the principal, language instructor, anyone who didn’t have a full classroom load. The class went on as usual and the student after getting specialized care was brought back to the classroom after the one on one instruction.
What could possibly be wrong with a plan that worked like this. The problem. The test that the students were required to pass were in some cases too hard for the teachers to pass. This happened in an Arkansas school district. What does this say about tenured teachers who are untested for competency.
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JimJohnson
Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
How much money has Obama made for YOU?
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I wagered every bigot I know $100 last summer that Obama would win the election. I cleaned up!
Poor suckers, I suspect they were all relying on Rasmussen polling data.
“Thinking that NCLB was bad because it was a republican plan is sheer idiocy.”
I don’t think that and already said so.
And you have graduated! Now posters who have a different experience from you are not simply intellectually deficient but insane?
NCLB was not exclusively a Republican plan but it was a largely unfunded mandate overseen by a Republican administration. They taught and teach the test and marginalize any school, teacher, or student who can’t hold to that arbitrary system out of the system.
American_Way
Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:26 pm | Permalink
You didn’t think doctors, hospitals, nurses, medical technicians, medical equipement makers and service providers ARE GOING TO WORK FOR FREE DO YOU???
Do you think for one moment they will work for any LESS money than they make now?
Nope.
The truth is: Someone always has to pay.
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I’m sure BJ and his ilk will gladly work for less money. It’s for the common good afterall.
NCLB is not the problem and never has been.
The problem is an evolving society in America. If one did poorly in school in the past, there were plenty of factory and other industrialized jobs that could afford job opportunity. People could look to a long career with a company and if they didn’t last, could easily find work elsewhere.
Now, the chances of varied opportunity for the academic underachiever is quite dismal. Internationalization of overseas cheap labor has sent “meat and potatoes” jobs overseas to places like China, Taiwan, and India.
So to, has the digitization of administrative jobs re-aligned the way things are done. Banks and general administrative office functions that once needed hordes of works to hand scribe or type out using typewriters are now done on computers by a much reduced staff – with most of the functions now automated by smart OCR readers and data organization software.
Then the video and game age hit – thrusting young minds into unreal dimensions of achievement without really achieving anything. Heroes were made out of game makers and electronic thumb twiddling.
Even simple functions such as counting out your change or giving change to another person has been all but eliminated with electronic cash registers that do all the thinking. No more wrinkled brow looks from a teenager working at the local Dime Store when Miss Mabel gives him $1.11 for a $1.01 item.
Another one of my own personal theories and the Seculars won’t like it, is that less attend Church and Sunday School or other types of religious training. Scoff if you will, but these additional training kept minds active and engaged in using abstract reasoning to solve everyday dilemmas. Learning about music and singing in a choir in a church was in addition to whatever they took at their public school. It is well known that music and learning its theory raises the cognitive sense of putting creativity and practicality together.
Also, and I think related with the introduction of the Gameboy syndrome, is that old fashion games of chess, checkers, backgammon and many others were replaced with blinking lights and chasing pixels across a screen in a reaction test akin to Rhesus monkey-pellet or rat-in-a-maze reward system.
Teachers became less traditional, less instilled in teaching the fundamentals and drilling and more concerned with career status or formal/informal group achievement among their peers.
School administration has become a sophisticated, bureaucratic three-legged stool of political ambition that is more akin a Peter’s Principle of inconclusive objectives than focusing on the real objective – teaching.
I have other thoughts on the matter, but don’t want to make this entry the War and Peace of Blog opinion.
:)
Regular,
Solid post.
There are no game consoles in my house. There are a multitude of musical instruments, board games, card games, and our book library far exceeds our video library. We have a dedicated ‘art desk’ in one room so the kids can explore their creative side. The yard is full of climbable trees and the garage is full of bicycles, ramps, skateboards, rollerblades, and razor scooters. We play roller hockey and basketball on the back patio and soccer in the backyard.
Some parents don’t realize until it’s too late that they only have a short time with their kids before those kids are all grown up and they have to fend for themselves out in the world and, as you noted, that world isn’t as forgiving as it was before.
Yes, very solid post Regular.
I’m surprised Daniel was able to recognize that as he seems unable to recognize that Obama’s one year budget will double the national dept, even if it plays out over 5 to 10 years it is still one years budget.
Reg/BJ – I can agree with points both of you have made (well, for BJ, just the point about it being an unfunded mandate, for which I generally disagree with ALL fed mandates on state run institutions). But to my other point, the duplicity in the argument about how testing kids/having standards for them is just so cruel is hilarious…right up there with the civil servant exams and how they’re not fair when the racial quotas aren’t met. Does the lowering of standards somehow improve our education/employment systems?? Riddle me this, if tests are inherently unfair, why do we make doctors, lawyers, accountants, real estate agents, policemen, firemen, financial advisors, every single vehicle driver, etc all take tests to get their “license”? Why, because it’s incredibly important they show competency in their field of choice. NCLB while a flawed delivery system is on track in terms of setting standards. Sorry, BJ, it isn’t too much to ask for a kid to be able to READ by the time they hit high school, or to be able to do multiplication/division, etc. The NCLB “testing” standards are far from overbearing, but they do create the incentive for dumbing down the entire class to meet the lowest common denominator to ensure one of your favorite results…not an equal opportunity, but an equal result from the educational experience.
We should start applying that model to other things too, like sports. You can’t run faster, throw harder, hit farther, jump higher, etc than the average of the worst 10% on your team…to do anything else would just be cruel…we shouldn’t push the bottom 10% to put down the twinkie & gameboy and practice…no, it fixes everything when you lay it on the other 90%, on a progressive scale of course, to carry the load. And pro sports, they gotta get with the program. Aff Action all the way, we should have a lot more Hispanics, Asians, and white folk so that it more properaly reflects the US gen pop…
Ain’t it funny how it sounds insane in other areas of life..competition’s good, guaranteed results is soul crushing to the productive.
DFB,
Some people simply seek the lowest level of achievement, or standard of excellence, possible but then expect to be given all the benefits of others achievement and call it unfair or cruel not to have it handed to them.
I find it disgusting, morally repugnant behavior.
“guaranteed results is soul crushing to the productive.”—DFB
That should be inscribed in stone on all our national monuments and buildings.
‘Soul Crushing’ is right.
Box – the irony of heralding achievement/talent in some arenas, while punishing it in others as greed infested manifestation of evil so duplicitous it would be amusing if it wasn’t sold as logic so often.
Does anyone really want subpar soldiers fighting in our defense? Subpar doctors treating us? Lousy singers entertaining us (ok, apparently we do in this case…Spears/Cyrus…but at least some of the lousy singers are good writers…). Subpar teachers molding our youth? Lousy politicians writing laws? Lousy justices enforcing/interpreting them? Do we send our below avg athletes to the Olympics to compete with the world? Yet we expect our kids/workers to compete in global markets by setting subpar standards, and giving them free passes when they don’t even meet those…obviously, incentives don’t matter in that ideology…and soul crushing is the most accurate description I can think of.
Speaking of sub-par soldiers…
I remember in Germany they had to create a special money management classes for the Army because of all the bounced checks.
It seems that some soldiers thought as long as they had checks in their checkbook, they had money.
yeah…
DFB posted July 16, 2009 at 10:01 am
Do we send our below avg athletes to the Olympics to compete with the world?
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http://www.mapsofworld.com/olympic-trivia/olympic-motto.html
“THE OLYMPIC CREED
Pierre de Coubertin got the idea for this phrase from a speech given by Bishop Ethelbert Talbot at a service for Olympic champions during the 1908 Olympic Games. The Olympic Creed reads:
“The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not to win but to take part, just as the most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”
The creed and motto are meant to spur the athletes to embrace the Olympic spirit and perform to the best of their abilities.”
“The creed and motto are meant to spur the athletes to embrace the Olympic spirit and perform to the best of their abilities.”
But they don’t give metals to those that don’t place!
Hum!
DFB,
It is soul crushing, a perfect description.
And those that do not share that value are cowards.
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Boxlock20
Posted July 16, 2009 at 10:29 am | Permalink
“The creed and motto are meant to spur the athletes to embrace the Olympic spirit and perform to the best of their abilities.”
But they don’t give metals to those that don’t place!
Hum!
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This is how capitalism works. Hard work and effort is rewarded to the cream of the crop.
The creed and motto are meant to spur the athletes to embrace the Olympic spirit and perform to the best of their abilities.”
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To further Reg’s point about medals…let me know when all countries stop having tryouts to make the team…or birth certificates are forged to meet age regulations…or when they stop rescinding medals for doping charges…
Special Olympics actually holds to that creed far more closely, but even they reward the winners.
boxlock20 posted July 16, 2009 at 10:29 am
“The creed and motto are meant to spur the athletes to embrace the Olympic spirit and perform to the best of their abilities.”
But they don’t give metals to those that don’t place!
Hum!
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boxlock20,
So what’s your opinion of the athletes who didn’t “metal”, like Steve Prefontaine in the 1972 5k race?
I admire them…..but he competed to win not just spend time, because he knew winning is important.
We remember winners, not so much losers, we reward winners not losers, because if we start rewarding losers the winners quit trying.
cosmos, you seem to be a loser.
boxlock20 posted July 16, 2009 at 12:46 pm
… but he competed to win not just spend time, because he knew winning is important.
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boxlock20,
What was Prefontaine’s general racing strategy, and what did he do during the 1972 5K?
Poked with the pack, led the last mile only to lose the kick and not metal at the end. The Russian won.
Great runner, maybe a little too cocky, but a great runner, he ran to win, too bad he didn’t in ‘72′.
He is known for his running in Oregon and the disappointment in his not winning in the Olympics, it looked like he might.
I’ve entertained you this time because he was an interesting person…..but never forget he went out to win, and came close but didn’t and didn’t receive the prize.
Who were those runners back of the first four in the Olympic 5K race in ‘72′…….see, know one knows without looking it up.
boxlock20,
Lasse Viren (Finland) won the ‘72 5k, not the “Russian”.
Prefontaine’s general racing strategy was front-running, which burned a little more energy than the runners behind him.
He probably would’ve “metaled” that 5k, if he hadn’t worked so hard to lead during the last mile.
“. Hard work and effort is rewarded to the cream of the crop.”
Yeah?
Then how are YOU doing so well?
In other news, Tina Fey has been nominated for an Emmy for her impersonation of Sarah Palin!
TOLD YA!
“How Justin Timberlake, ‘Sarah Palin,’ and Joss Whedon could win Emmys: digging deeper into the nominations
Jul 16, 2009, 10:57 AM | by Ken Tucker
Categories: News, Television
Tina-fey-palin_l
Dig beneath the top tier of Emmy nominations, and a few surprises await you. For example, Justin Timberlake could snag an Emmy for his hosting of Saturday Night Live, and for writing “Motherlover” in the Outstanding Original Music and Lyrics category.
And Tina Fey’s SNL version of Sarah Palin is nominated in the Outstanding Guest Actress In A Comedy Series category. (Does this mean Palin, with more time on her hands now, might attend the Emmys on Sept. 20 to bask in reflected glory?)
All American City Party
Date: July 16, 2009
Contact: Communications Team
Go Wichita and Wichita Downtown Development Corp. are joining the City of Wichita as hosts of the July 31 All-America City (AAC) Party, which will include free ice cream and movie tickets for attendees.
The community party, scheduled from 6 to 9 p.m. in Old Town Square, celebrates Wichita’s fourth AAC honor (1961, 1993, 1999 and 2009) and toasts the city’s first Entertainment District event. The Entertainment District, a result of a state law passed during the 2009 Kansas legislative session, allows outdoor drinking on a public property at permitted events.
Brett Harris of B-98 Radio will emcee the event. Carrie Nation & The Speakeasy, a bluegrass band, and Mid Life Crisis, a classic rock cover band, will perform. Food and drinks from local restaurants and vendors will be available, for purchase. Partners and sponsors of the AAC competition will be recognized. Warren Theatres is providing a limited number of free movie passes and Hiland Dairy will provide limited amount of free ice cream.
Scheduled to attend are Mayor Carl Brewer, Wichita City Council members and representatives from the partnering organizations. Elected officials from across the state have been invited.
The City of Wichita won its fourth AAC honor during the National Civic League competition on June 19 in Tampa, where it competed against 28 other finalist cities. The honor recognizes cities that demonstrate great strides in civic engagement and collaborative solutions to city challenges. Wichita’s projects included 1) Opportunity Drive, a multipurpose learning and recreation campus; 2) Visioneering Wichita, a regional planning initiative and 3) Mennonite Housing Rehabilitation Services, which aims to build affordable homes for low-income families.
Entertainment District
The July 31 celebration will also provide a demonstration of newly-authorized Entertainment Districts. The Kansas Legislature this year approved legislation requested by the Wichita City Council and Mayor Brewer, creating the opportunity for local communities to designate specific locations where alcoholic beverages can be consumed on public streets, sidewalks and rights-of-way.
On July 14, the City Council approved the All-America City Street Party permit, designating the Old Town area of Mead Street from 2nd Street to Moore Street and Moore Street from 2nd Street to Mead. Under the legislation, local governments have the authority to adopt rules and regulations that reflect the community’s needs. The City of Wichita adopted its enabling ordinances last month.
During the July 31 party, Mayor Brewer will recognize local legislators.
“As the 50th largest city in the United States, we are in a competition with other urban communities such as Oklahoma City, Kansas City and Fort Worth, all of whom actively seek to create a social environment that is attractive to a young, progressive demographic,” Mayor Brewer testified before a legislative committee. “We firmly believe that proper regulation, licensing and oversight will ensure a responsible use of this opportunity. Large urban environments such as Wichita require the option of self-regulation to meet the needs and expectations of our population.”
Northbound Washington to Close
Date: July 16, 2009
Contact: Communications Team
Water line construction requires 10-day, partial closure beginning Saturday
Construction of a 48-inch water line will require the closure of the northbound lanes of Washington north of Kellogg for approximately ten days, starting Saturday, July 18.
During the closure, northbound traffic on Washington will be detoured at Lincoln to Broadway, and message boards on Kellogg will direct northbound Washington traffic to use the Broadway exit. One lane of southbound traffic will be maintained on Washington.
The $1.12 million water line project is part of a multi-year, multi-phase transmission line improvement to improve water capacity for southeast Wichita.
Eagle editors?
We need a Tina Fey thread. This is history.
The cons gave us a candidate for office SO ridiculous that a talented comedienne was able to use Sarah Palin’s OWN words to show how incompetent Palin was.
Give Tina the Emmy AND a medal!
2009 Wichita Flight Festival
Date: July 16, 2009
Contact: Tabitha Meyer, Arts & Culture Communications
The City of Wichita is proud to continue its sponsorship of the Wichita Flight Festival. This year’s event will take place August 29 – 30 at Colonel James Jabara Airport.
In an effort to recognize the importance of the aviation industry and to give back to the community, this year’s event will be free to the public. The festival will include traditional elements such as the air show, musical entertainment, children’s activities and vendor booths, but in recognition of the economic climate will also include career services, with employment specialists on hand to answer questions on interviewing techniques, résumés and the availability of educational and training services.
Gates will open to the public both Saturday and Sunday at 10 a.m. with an aerial parade to follow both days at 11:30 a.m. The air show will feature thrilling acts such as Mohr Barnstorming’s stock Stearman, Franklin’s Flying Circus performing their daring “Pirated Skies” wing walking act, the Red Bull MiG-17F, the Indy Boys jet-powered Dodge Ram and jet-powered Out House and the graceful aerobatic routine of the Oregon Aero SkyDancer.
On Saturday evening there will be a ticketed event including a twilight air show and concert. The twilight air show will feature breathtaking aerobatics feats in an aerial display of pyrotechnics. After the air show, Wichita will experience a British Invasion with Liverpool, a Beatles tribute band out of Kansas City. Liverpool not only sounds like the Fab Four but painstakingly recreates the atmosphere with an elaborate video accompaniment and authentic musical equipment used by Lennon, McCartney, Harrison and Starr during their careers. Gates for the evening event will open at 6:30 p.m. with the twilight air show beginning at 7 p.m. and concert at 8:45 p.m. Tickets for the event are $5 and are available in advance through http://www.WichitaTIX.com or at the gate.
“The House proposal will begin the process of fixing what’s broken about our health care system, reducing costs for all, building on what works, and covering an estimated 97% of all Americans”
- President Obama, July 14, 2009
Those are the words by President Obama on the historic legislation that was introduced this week in the House to finally lower health care costs, provide a public option, and offer greater choice and a higher quality of care for all Americans.
The status quo of skyrocketing health care expenses for America’s families shows the true cost of doing nothing. If we fail to act, the cost of health care for the average family of four is projected to rise by $1,800 every year for years to come and insurance companies will make more health care decisions.
This bill is a cause for hope, but also a reminder of the tough fight ahead.
Republicans in Congress, backed by powerful special interests, are already recycling their same playbook of fear mongering that they used to block President Clinton’s health care reform. They’re even calling it “Hillarycare Revisited.”
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act – The Details >>>>
Here is what the House legislation will mean for America’s middle class families…
GUARANTEED COVERAGE – The days of being denied coverage because of a preexisting condition – or being forced to pay higher premiums because of it – would be over thanks to the House bill. Insurance companies will also be prohibited from other discriminatory practices like charging higher rates because of gender, health status, or other factors.
GREATER CHOICE – If you like your doctor, your local hospital, or your current insurance plan, you can keep it under the House bill. It also sets up a health insurance exchange to act as a marketplace where individuals and small employers will be able to comparison-shop among private and public insurers.
LOWER COSTS FOR EVERYONE – The House bill would lower health care costs for all Americans. It ends co-pays and deductibles for preventative care and puts an end to rate increases for preexisting conditions. It will give you access to the lower group rates from a national pool if you buy your own plan. It also includes a public option to compete with private insurers and caps annual out-of-pocket spending to prevent bankruptcy from medical expenses.
HIGHER QUALITY – The House bill makes sure that you and your doctor make health care decisions, not insurance companies. It provides new incentives, scholarships, and training to encourage the very best and brightest to become doctors and nurses.
PREVENTION AND WELLNESS – The House bill also expands community health centers, strengthens wellness and prevention services, provides oral, hearing, and vision care for children, and ensures that mental health care is covered.
http://www.dccc.org
“Lasse Viren (Finland) won the ‘72 5k, not the “Russian”.”
The Finn, okay….well that was a long time ago, what….37 years, besides Finland is close to Russia, right…a joke.
“He probably would’ve “metaled” that 5k, if he hadn’t worked so hard to lead during the last mile.”
That was maybe his arrogant mistake, remember he was cocky. The point is he didn’t metal, and that was the point, or why run.
Not that one doesn’t benefit in the effort alone, but the effort is expended to win isn’t it, or it isn’t genuine at that level of competition and under the flag of your country. Ask them which they prefer, to simply enter….or win.
Geography savant “Boxlock20″ plays the Alzheimer’s card –
“…well that was a long time ago, what….37 years, besides Finland is close to Russia, right…?”
Yeah, Finland is pretty “…close to Russia….” It’s been that way for a long time.
Even back when Thomas Jefferson was President of the United States between January 20, 1777 and January 20, 1781.
boxlock20 posted July 16, 2009 at 10:58 pm
That was maybe his arrogant mistake, remember he was cocky. The point is he didn’t metal, and that was the point, or why run.
Not that one doesn’t benefit in the effort alone, but the effort is expended to win isn’t it, or it isn’t genuine at that level of competition and under the flag of your country. Ask them which they prefer, to simply enter….or win.
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boxlock20,
What part of his general front-runner strategy do you not understand?
IRRC, he “prefered” to run flat-out, and give his best “effort” — and he “prefered” not to “win” by moving into the lead after staying behind other runners during most of the race.
And again, it takes more “effort” to be the front-runner.
cosmos, you are truly a dumbass.
Are you trying to tell me and this blog that Prefontaine worked to qualify for the Olympics only to play some game and run himself out and lose.
To believe that is idiocy.
Similar to believing in man made global warming or that man can change the outcome.
He made a tactical error or simply wasn’t physically up to the competition.
PS: Think Chimpbrain…the Monkey, knew anything about the subject or just jumps in for trolling benefit. Ha!
You are a loser Chimpbrain…..and really showing it now.
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