Open thread 7/14

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  1. Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Did anybody know that the entire power grid of the USA could be taken out with one nuke exploded 200 miles over Kansas?? You can read about it here:

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com

  2. Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    (sarcasm on)
    Chas… Of course we all know that terrorists will never be able to get through the road construction to get to the middle of Kansas so we are all safe.
    (sarcasm off)

  3. Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Sam, you’re right… how silly of me to forget all that Construction work…

  4. XXX
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Breaking News, literally: After helping both candidate and chief executive deliver weighty words countless times on the campaign trail, on the road to, from and within the White House, the beloved Teleprompter of Democrat President Barack Obama died tonight.

    The fragile overused speech aid was little more than two years old. No immediate cause of death and no autopsy were announced.
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/07/obama-teleprompter.html
    ______________________________

    Offered without comment….

  5. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:03 am | Permalink
    Did anybody know that the entire power grid of the USA could be taken out with one nuke exploded 200 miles over Kansas?? You can read about it here:

    http://www.coasttocoastam.com
    ————
    Chas have you ever listened to this show. If so you probably wouldn’t be using it as a source.

  6. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Appearing in the latter half of the show, paranormal investigator Joshua P. Warren shared updates on a number of different topics. He was able to successfully extract recordings from a mysterious Cold War-era spy watch, and heard a group of men in Texas talking about creating a new aircraft. He also discussed some of the latest experiments taking place at his lab including observing waves of energy, using a special optical system known as Schlieren Imaging.
    ———————–
    Chas you might want to ck this one out next.

  7. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    okobserver posted July 14, 2009 at 7:56 am

    If so you probably wouldn’t be using it as a source.
    —————

    That would apply much more to okobserver’s heroine, Debra J. Saunders.

  8. Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    For what it is worth, the CBO’s latest on ObamaCare has some interesting items.

    1.Requiring employers to offer health insurance—or pay a fee if they do not—is likely to reduce employment, although the effect would probably be small.

    2.Providing new subsidies for health insurance that
    decline in value as a person’s income rises could discourage some people from working more hours.

    3.Increasing the availability of health insurance that is not related to employment could lead more people to retire before age 65 or choose not to work at younger ages. But it might also encourage other workers to take jobs that better match their skills, because they would not have to stay in less desirable jobs solely to maintain their health insurance.

  9. Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:06 am | Permalink
    Appearing in the latter half of the show, paranormal investigator Joshua P. Warren shared updates on a number of different topics. He was able to successfully extract recordings from a mysterious Cold War-era spy watch, and heard a group of men in Texas talking about creating a new aircraft. He also discussed some of the latest experiments taking place at his lab including observing waves of energy, using a special optical system known as Schlieren Imaging.
    ———————–

    Ummmm… OKIE??? That show wasnt on last night… That show was on some time ago…

    At least try to keep up… Oh yea, you might try a Google on — EMP

  10. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Chas just giving you an example of some of the nonsense this show has on a regular basis. I have only heard it a couple of times and wouldn’t recommend it or its subjects as anything but tabloid journalism.

  11. beber
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    That’s why it’s stupid to build smart grids, Charles. They are susceptible to electromagnetic energy. A storm on the sun could put the power grid out of commission. Since we are now developing the technology, we should be building a diversified, non-connected grid, with power production as close as possible to use.

  12. beber
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    And owned and controlled by the users.

  13. Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Just for you okie —

    More on the threat of EMP….

    http://www.heritage.org/research/nationalsecurity/bg1784.cfm

  14. ANTI
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    I witnessed a County Appraiser this morning.

    Evidently they are above the law and are allowed to trespass.

    That is fuqed up.

  15. ANTI
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    My neighbor is from Mexico (the one the Appraiser trespassed on) he is an American now. He has busted his a55 to fix his house and make his yard nice, HIS property. IT is paid for. HIS land.

  16. Heckler
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    A very extensive look at the arms trade in Mexico.

    (Here’s a clue for some of you boneheads. why buy something for $600.00-$1000.00 when you can get the same thing or better for $100.00 somewhere else?)

    In fact, due to this surge in demand, it is downright difficult to locate many types of assault rifles and certain calibers of ammunition, though a lucky buyer might be able to find a basic stripped-down AR-15 for $850 to $1,100, or a semiautomatic AK-47 for $650 to $850. Of course, such a gun purchased in the United States and smuggled into Mexico will be sold to the cartels at a hefty premium above the purchase price.

    By way of comparison, in places where weapons are abundant, such as Yemen, a surplus fully automatic assault rifle can be purchased for under $100 on the white arms market and for about the same price on the black arms market. This difference in price provides a powerful economic incentive to buy low elsewhere and sell high in Mexico, as does the inability to get certain classes of weapons such as RPGs and fragmentation grenades in the United States. Indeed, we have seen reports of international arms merchants from places like Israel and Belgium selling weapons to the cartels and bringing that ordnance into Mexico through routes other than over the U.S. border. Additionally, in South America, a number of arms smugglers, including Hezbollah and Russian organized-crime groups, have made a considerable amount of money supplying arms to groups in the region like the FARC.
    http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/442059/100c35fa92/1641502434/35c8c21797/

  17. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Heckler:

    But . . . but . . . but . . . the gov’t says all those eeeeevil Americans who own firearms are responsible for Mexico’s problems! Ya know – those Right Wing Extremists (i.e. those who actually think the Constitution means what it says).

    Ya mean – the gov’t can’t be trusted as a source of information? Shocking!!!

    (Sarcasm off).
    There you go, Heckler, actually thinking logically again. You really should stop that; it makes liberals’ heads explode. I know how idiotic this “90% of cartels guns came from the US” lie is; you know it. Anyone who actually thinks about it knows it. But the mindless masses – and those who are looking for reasons to gut the Constitution anyway – accept it without question.

  18. Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Where did the guns come from then, GMC?

    I mean since you know better than the government agencies that actually study the issue . . .

  19. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Capn –

    It’s apparant you neither read nor think well. See above. Think. Small arms are not difficult to find on the world black market; we live in a world awash in small arms (whether that’s good or bad is another matter, but it simply is the case).

    Or you can just accept the gov’ts numbers without question. Your call.

  20. Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    So Mexican arms are coming from Yeman then?

    Sure, that makes sense.

  21. Heckler
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Capn

    Read the article. You’re sounding like a dumbarse.

  22. Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    I read the article . . . well, the passage.

    It said that guns are cheap in Yeman.

    Yeah, maybe that’s because Yeman has no distribution system?

    If Mexico were buying crates of guns from Yeman, wouldn’t the price go up?

    I’m not saying that you’re wrong–I’m just saying that it’s not very good evidence.

  23. Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    The simple fact is that the guns the Mexican cartels are using are manufactured somewhere.

    Where is that?

    What kinds of guns are they using and where is their origin of manufacture?

    This would be a good starting point.

    “Guns are cheap in Yeman” is not a good starting point.

  24. Heckler
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    step one.

    The Mexican cartels seem to have little trouble getting RPG’s and frag. grenades. Those arent coming from a gun show in Texas.

    step two.

    The same people who sell RPG’s and frag grenades sell military machine guns. And they’re cheaper than buying semi-auto rifles in the U.S.

    step three.

    Would it not make sense to do your shopping in one stop? On the black market? And save money? And get the “real deal” instead of a watered down civilian weapon?

    It’s not a great leap. Connect the dots.

  25. Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Okay, that’s a relatively good point.

    But where is the origin of manufacture for the guns the cartels use?

    Until you know that, you are just connecting dots . . .

  26. Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    American gun sellers supply the cartels with 95 to 100 percent of their guns, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    *****

    And they would lie because they want to show what a crappy job they’re doing?

  27. Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    GAO, June 2009: Available evidence indicates a large proportion of the firearms fueling Mexican drug violence originated in the United States, including a growing number of increasingly lethal weapons. While it is impossible to know how many firearms are illegally trafficked into Mexico in a given year, around 87 percent of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced over the past 5 years originated in the United States, according to data from ATF. Around 68 percent of these firearms were manufactured in the United States, and around 19 percent were manufactured in third countries and imported into the United States before being trafficked into Mexico.
    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09709.pdf

    *****

    Damn, it does sound like somebody did their homework on this one.

  28. Heckler
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Capn

    What you have posted are deceptive data that has been debunked repeatedly.

    87 percent of the weapons Mexico SUBMITTED to the ATF for tracing were traced to the US. The Mexican government doesnt submit everything they seize for tracing. It’s been covered a million times, here and elsewhere.

    For instance- The US and Germany government sell tens of thousands of weapons to the Mexican government for use by the military and police. (possible 100’s of thousands over the past decade)Many of those weapons end up in the hands of the cartels from defectors from the Mexican military. Mexico doesnt submit those for tracing because they know where they came from. Any “machine gun” they find they don’t submit for tracing because you can’t buy them in the US.(except through the government.)

    If you just read the whole article you wouldnt sound so ill informed. Just do it.

  29. george
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Al-Quaeda vows to hit China. China will not put up with this group by playing nice. They will blow them away, no questions, no rights, no nice jails and no friendly lawyers.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090714/wl_africa_afp/chinaunrestxinjiangqaedaafrica_20090714074939

  30. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically productive for the State of California … or anywhere else either.

    You have 2 families…”Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in California .
    “Joe Legal” works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted….”Jose Illegal” also works in construction, has “NO” Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

    Joe Legal…$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year
    Now take 30% away for state federal tax Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

    Jose Illegal…$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year
    Jose Illegal pays no taxes…
    Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage
    $1000.00 per month
    $12,000.00 per year
    Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

    Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local
    clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year

    Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare
    Joe Legal pays for food
    $1,000.00 per month
    $12,000.00 per year
    Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00

    Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and
    Welfare.
    Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal pays rent of
    $1,000.00 per month
    $12,000.00 per year
    Joe Legal is now in the hole
    Minus (-) $4,769.00

    Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy
    Jose Illegal pays rent
    $500.00 per month
    $6,000.00 per year
    Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

    Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part-time job after work.

    Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

    Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal
    pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government
    sponsored lunch.

    Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children
    go home.

    Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but
    Joe Legal paid for them and Jose Illegal did not pay.

    Don’t vote/support any politician that supports illegal aliens…

    It’s PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

  31. Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local
    clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year

    Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

    FALSE — A SSN is required to get those benefits… MORE false LIES from the RW…
    ____________________

    Jose Illegal’s children get a government
    sponsored lunch.

    FALSE — See above for SSN requirement…

    MORE false LIES from the RW…
    _____________________

    So, what else is new from the RW??? LOL

  32. Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    “…around 87 percent of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced over the past 5 years originated in the United States…”

    And the percentage of firearms traced of the total amount seized were?

    If I remember correctly, the number traced were a small percentage of the amount seized.

  33. Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy
    Jose Illegal pays rent
    $500.00 per month
    $6,000.00 per year

    FALSE AGAIN — SSN required for this benefit

    ANOTHER lie from the ever LYING RW nuts….

  34. Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    So, Hud — post the rest of the figures…

    Y’know, like where were the rest traced to??

  35. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    “FALSE — A SSN is required to get those benefits… MORE false LIES from the RW…”–Chas

    Chas,
    Don’t be such a dumbass.

    http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:YmJPCH_6HlMJ:www.squaremeals.org/vgn/tda/files/2348/29794_2009-10%2520Multi-Child%2520Application%2520English.pdf+do+free+school+lunches+require+a+SSN&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    “Part 1: List each child’s name, school and grade. Optional (Social Security Number, Student I.D. or Date of Birth”

    “The social security number is not required when you apply on behalf of a foster child or you list a Food Stamp Program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) Program or Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations (FDPIR) case number, or when you indicate that the adult household member signing the application does not have a social security number.”

    “If the signing adult does not have a Social Security number, there is a box provided on the application which must be checked if applicable “I do not have a Social Security Number”.

  36. Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    “Y’know, like where were the rest traced to??”

    Chas, “the rest traced to”. Really.

    Wasn’t the point that only 17% of the firearms recovered in Mexico were submitted for tracing. Probably because the others obviously did not come from the US.

  37. biased1
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
    “Y’know, like where were the rest traced to??”

    Chas, “the rest traced to”. Really.

    Wasn’t the point that only 17% of the firearms recovered in Mexico were submitted for tracing. Probably because the others obviously did not come from the US.
    —————————————
    Maybe the other 87% had “made in USA” stamped on them…..

    Heh, heh….

  38. Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    “FALSE AGAIN — SSN required for this benefit”

    Then why are counties passing laws to keep “illegal immigrants” out of their clinics? Or are we now issuing SSN numbers to “Illegal Immigrants”.

    “Forced to slash their budgets, some California counties are eliminating non-emergency health services
    for illegal immigrants – a move that officials acknowledge could backfire by shifting the financial burden to emergency rooms.”

  39. biased1
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    87%-shold be 83…
    sorry.

  40. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    The Plan of the Left, Lies, Liars and Lice

    Bloatus Porkulus View

    Stimulus – *Paul Krugman of The New York Times leads the pack calling for yet another “stimulus.” He claims the $787-billion package was “too small.”

    reality:
    The Porkulus spending bill – After months of bragging about 150,000 jobs “saved or created,” the GAO admits that the states have done almost nothing with their portion of the funds to do anything but keep bureaucrats employed. Jobs not saved last week – 540000.

    Global Warmers – Henny Penny Spokesman
    Global warming demi-god James Hansen of NASA castigates the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade energy tax as not going far enough despite its $9.4-trillion costs. He labels it “counterfeit” not because it does too much, but too little in his view.

    reality:

    Despite CO2 levels rising according to the ‘tax and spend’ Democraps – global temperatures are falling, the arctic ice cap is the same as it was in the 1970s and tree ring growth for the 20th century show no warming trends at all.

    Health Scare Bill:
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gargantuan health care bill founders a bit after 40 Blue Dog Democrats sign a letter to slow down on Health Care. Even so, the Bella Lagosi Pelosi, has tax specialists trying to design a trillion-dollar tax hike to steal from the empty pockets of American taxpayers.

    Pelosi’s denial: I did not have seckual relationship with that CIA agent.

    Democratic war on spies from the CIA. Panetta and Director of National Intelligence Adm. Dennis Blair are in a “polar struggle”, the kind of constant infighting that thwarts our ability to pursue, gather and apply the best intelligence we can, the
    information we need to survive the war we are in.

    reality:

    The CIA has once again become a laughing stock around the world and foreign governments no longer trust the CIA to keep a secret.

  41. Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    “Maybe the other 87% had “made in USA” stamped on them…..”

    Wow!!! 87% + 17% =

  42. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    “Have the Social Security numbers for all persons applying for benefits. Social Security numbers are not required of parents applying for their children.”

    “Parents and other household members who are not applying for benefits are NOT required to give their social security numbers to get health insurance for their children.”

    “You don’t have to give information about your immigration status or your social security number,”

    http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:PgRmmNZUawAJ:www.governmentpro.com/medical/list-of-free-and-emergency-medical-services/+california+Medicaid+free+medical+and+dental+care+require+a+social+security+number&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    How does that ‘crow’ taste Chas….check it out before you spout off.

  43. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    I get so SICK of hearing how the EVIL Americans are responsible for the guns in Mexico because the arms are manufactured here. It is high time that MEXICO take responsibility for allowing anyone/anytime to cross into Mexico without so much as a glance.

    I have traveled into Mexico at Mexicali, Ciudad Acuna, TJ, Nuevo Laredo and Jaurez. Never once did I ever see any vehicle or person stopped. They do do not check a single entering vehicle. I could have driven a truck loaded with RPG’s and they never would have known it.

    Who’s responsibility is it? The EVIL Americans who manufacture arms used around the world or the lazy Mexicans who allow them in without so much as a glance??

  44. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Jaurez = Juarez

  45. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    By the way, my post at 12:06 pm addresses free meals to illegals.

    My post of 12:14 pm addresses free dental and medical care.

    I felt I needed to spell that out for those as stupid as Chas….though I doubt anyone is.

  46. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Wrong again, “Chas”. visit any emergency room in southern California on any weekend. You will see that most of the people there speak only English, and no SS# is required for medical treatment. You are not speaking from any facts or personal experience.

    Again.

  47. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Speak only SPANISH…typing too fast I guess

  48. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    There was a story recently on CNN about the children in El Paso schools are predominently Mexican, then come from Mexico in the morning, attend school all day, and return across the border at night. No SS$ needed, “chas”…and they get free lunches as well.

    Nope, ‘Chas’, you are missing a few things called FACTS.

  49. Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Bawks — you havent explained how anybody can get federal funding without a SSN, OR proof of citizenship…

    Looks like your links are for Legal citizens… not illegal aliens…

  50. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Read um Chas….you lose.

  51. Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    “Parents and other household members who are not applying for benefits are NOT required to give their social security numbers to get health insurance for their children.”

    That statement would be true if the children are born in USA….

  52. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    The “soda mare” – Second Amendment not a fundamental right.

    Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor ruled in January 2009 that states do not have to obey the Second Amendment. In Maloney v. Cuomo, Sotomayor signed an opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that said the Second Amendment does not protect individuals from having their right to keep and bear arms restricted by state governments.

    The opinion said that the Second Amendment only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual’s right to keep and bear arms. As justification for this position, the opinion cited the 1886 Supreme Court case of Presser v. Illinois. Quoting Presser, the court said, “it is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the
    national government, and not upon that of the state.”

  53. DFB
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Raptor, to your point, this is from an ‘05 article..so I can’t imagine the hospital closure total isn’t greater since:

    “High-technology EDs have degenerated into free medical offices. Between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals verge on closure. Even ambulances from Mexico come to American EDs with indigents because the drivers know that EMTALA requires accepting patients who come.”

    http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

  54. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Energy policy ‘too wind focused’

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8146824.stm

    The UK must invest more in nuclear and clean coal energy and put less emphasis on wind
    power if it wants a secure low-carbon future, business leaders say.

    The CBI says government energy policy is “disjointed” and it is urging a “more balanced” energy mix.

    The current approach means the UK might miss climate change targets, it added.

  55. Agnatha
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    “The ’soda mare’ – Second Amendment not a fundamental right.”

    Re: The childish name calling
    DNFTT

    “‘Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor ruled in January 2009 that states do not have to obey the Second Amendment. In Maloney v. Cuomo, Sotomayor signed an opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that said the Second Amendment does not protect individuals from having their right to keep and bear arms restricted by state governments.’”

    Almost certainly quoted without citation. Putting that aside, however, to use this in an attempt to make Sotomayor look like an anti-Second Amendment radical is to be misleading (to put it kindly). Sotomayor’s ruling with the rest of the Second Circuit is consistent with prior rulings of the Supreme Court.

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_sotomayor_written_that_states_have_the.html

    This is particularly noteworthy from Fact Check’s update…

    “Update, June 3: We wrote above that the National Rifle Association was hoping for a ruling from the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments. On June 2, however, the 7th Circuit ruled the other way, saying in National Rifle Association v. Chicago that Supreme Court precedent was clearly in opposition to the NRA’s argument. The three judges who issued the unanimous ruling — thereby agreeing with Sotomayor and the rest of her 2nd Circuit panel in Maloney v. Cuomo — included two of the leading lights of conservative jurisprudence, Richard Posner and Frank Easterbrook.”

    See, this case is actually an example of Sotomayor refraining from judicial activism. These justices clearly believe it is the Supreme’s perogative to return to the constitutional questions raised by these cases.

    By the way, from my admittedly laymen’s vantage point I actually can not agree with the above rulings. I think the Second Amendment must apply to states. Hopefully, the Supreme Court will actually clarify this issue.

  56. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    “The opinion said that the Second Amendment only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual’s right to keep and bear arms. As justification for this position, the opinion cited the 1886 Supreme Court case of Presser v. Illinois. Quoting Presser, the court said, “it is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the
    national government, and not upon that of the state.”

    So we can presume the ’soda mare’ would hold the 1st Amendment, and for that matter the rest of the Constitutional Amendments, in the same low regard. Giving states the a free hand in restricting speech and press.
    What a dud on the law.

  57. Agnatha
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    “So we can presume the ’soda mare’ would hold the 1st Amendment, and for that matter the rest of the Constitutional Amendments, in the same low regard.”

    No, “we” can’t. All you can say from this is that Sotomayor tends to follow Supreme Court precedent. Would you oppose Posner and Easterbrook on the same basis? And if you say yes, do you even know who they are?

    The record of appelate court justices who become Supreme Court justices has limited predictability as to what they will do on the SCOTUS.

    “Giving states the a free hand in restricting speech and press.

    “What a dud on the law.”

    Once does not follow from the other (although there is an argument to be made for logical consistency between the First and Second Amendments).

  58. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    “A San Francisco-based federal appeals court, with jurisdiction over cases from California, Oregon, Washington and six other Western U.S. states, in April ruled the Second Amendment can be read as applicable to states and counties.

    “This thing is headed for the Supreme Court,” University of Chicago Constitutional Law Professor Richard Epstein said in a phone interview.

    “This is a question where you cannot run a split administration and there’s no way the circuits can resolve this amongst themselves,” he said.”

  59. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    “(although there is an argument to be made for logical consistency between the First and Second Amendments).”

    Oh…..ya think? Geeze!

  60. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Obama Expects Uemployment to Keep Ticking Up for Several Months

    aka Porklulus is not working

    The president said Tuesday that renewed employment typically lags behind other signs of improvement as a swooning economy turns around.

    Fox News

  61. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Wholesale Prices Rise More Than Expected in June

    Fox News

    The Producer Price Index, which tracks the costs of goods before they reach store shelves, increased 1.8 percent in June, according to the Labor Department — nearly double what economists had predicted.

    Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke warns that the recovery will be slow. That means the unemployment rate will keep rising, probably hitting double-digits in the months ahead.

    O’BAMA

    WORST

    PRESIDENT

    EVER

  62. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    The Biggest Corporate Welfare Program in History

    Fox News

    Corporations will be the biggest winners under cap-and-trade. Consumers will be the biggest losers.

    Senator Barbara Boxer, the biggest Senate proponent of cap-and-trade and the one who will dole out the billions of dollars worth of permits on the Senate side.

    That’s why electric utilities support the bill, because they stand to make a fortune from it. For instance, Exelon CEO John Rowe estimates that for every $10 increase in the price of cap-and-trade permits, Exelon’s annual revenues will increase $750 million dollars. Those estimates can only mean that they believe, correctly, that they will be able to raise their rates considerably.

    ——————–
    Imagine that just like Europe – Utility companies getting rich and CO2 levels are not falling.

    What a suprise that Cap and Trade is nothing but a scam.

    Bend over folks – it’s coming…

  63. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Okay Agnatha, just how many of these Amendments are you ready to say apply only to the federal government and NOT to the states? Are you ready to give the individual states free rein to follow or ignore them as Sotomayor thinks can be done with the 2nd. Amendment.
    To even question that they apply equally to the states is perverse logic.

    1st Freedom of religion, of speech, of the press, to assemble, and to petition September 25, 1789 December 15, 1791

    2nd The right to bear arms

    3rd No quartering of soldiers in private houses during times of peace.

    4th Interdiction of unreasonable Searches and seizures; warrants

    5th Indictments; Due process; Self-incrimination; Double jeopardy, and rules for Eminent Domain.

    6th Right to a fair and speedy public trial, Notice of accusations, Confronting one’s accuser, Subpoenas, Right to counsel

    7th Right to trial by jury in civil cases

    8th No excessive bail & fines or cruel & unusual punishment

    9th Unenumerated rights

    10th Limits the power of the Federal government

    11th Immunity of states from suits from out-of-state citizens and foreigners not living within the state borders. Lays the foundation for sovereign immunity.

    12th Revision of presidential election procedures

    13th Abolition of slavery, except as punishment for a crime.

    14th Citizenship, state due process, applies Bill of Rights to the states, revision to apportionment of Representatives, Denies public office to anyone who has rebelled against the United States

    15th Suffrage no longer restricted by race

    16th Allows federal income tax

    17th Direct election to the United States Senate

    18th Prohibition of alcohol (Repealed by 21st amendment)

    19th Women’s suffrage

    20th Term Commencement for congress(This amendment is also known as the “lame duck amendment”.)

    21st Repeal of Eighteenth Amendment; state and local prohibition no longer required by law.

    22nd Limits the president to two terms

    23rd Representation of Washington, D.C. in the Electoral College

    24th Prohibition of the restriction of voting rights due to the non-payment of poll taxes

    25th Presidential Succession

    26th Voting age nationally established as age 18 (see suffrage)

    27th Variance of congressional compensation

  64. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Voters’ Remorse — Is Baracklash on the Horizon?

    Fox News

    Since January Obama has failed to help many of his core supporters. Will they soon turn against him?

    Ninety-five percent of blacks voted for Obama. As of June, black unemployment stood at 14.7 percent,

    Unemployment for Hispanics in June was 12.2 percent, an increase from 8.8 percent upon Bush’s departure.

    On July 3, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, who supported Obama for president, wrote in The Wall Street Journal that “Many American supporters of Israel who voted for Barack Obama now suspect they may have been victims of a bait and switch. Now, some of them apparently have voters’ remorse.”

    O’BAMA

    WORST

    PRESIDENT

    EVER

  65. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Questioning whether the 2nd Amendment applies to the states, as do the other Amendments reminds me of the ‘best line ever uttered’ in many folks opinion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4

  66. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Phil Kerpen’s opinion?

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity

    Whatever. . .

  67. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Obama: Cap-and Trade will be $4300 per family energy tax

    Numbers floating around measuring the costs of cap and trade. For instance, a study by MIT professor John Reilly shows a carbon cap and trade would cost the average American household $3,900 a year. $800 of that figure comes from, according to Reilly, “the cost to the economy [that] involves all those actions people have to take to reduce their
    use of fossil fuels or find ways to use them without releasing [Green House Gases].”

    But the direct tax on household energy use is just the beginning. The energy tax also hits producers of goods and services.

    O’BAMA

    WORST

    PRESIDENT

    EVER

  68. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    MIT’s John Reilly Discusses Being Misrepresented By Republican Lawmakers
    http://mediamattersaction.org/blog/200906290006

  69. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    http://www.factcheck.org/politics/cap-and-trade_cost_inflation.html

  70. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    On the 2nd Am. question (and folks, ultimately it’s not about guns, it’s about the relationship of the state to its citizens) Sotomayer is ultimately either intellectually lazy, jurisprudentially chicken, or fundamentally dishonest. I don’t know which. Note the following:

    Second Circuit Judge Sonia Sotomayor recently held that the Constitution does not protect the right to keep and bear arms against infringement by state and local governments. Her defenders maintain that she was merely applying settled precedent, which only the Supreme Court itself is authorized to reconsider. This is a half truth that conceals more than it reveals. . . . .

    In several nineteenth century cases, the Supreme Court held that the individual liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, including the right to keep and bear arms, are not among the “privileges or immunities” protected against state abridgement by the Fourteenth Amendment. Whether this was a correct interpretation or not, the Supreme Court has adhered to it ever since, and the lower courts are required to accept it.

    In the twentieth century, however, the Supreme Court decided a series of cases in which it concluded that most of the rights protected against the federal government by the Bill of Rights are also “incorporated” against the state governments by the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause. The Court has analyzed each right separately, but the legal test that eventually emerged focuses on the significance of the right at issue in the Anglo-American tradition of ordered liberty. The Supreme Court has not yet reviewed an incorporation case involving the Second Amendment, but its Second Amendment opinion last year pointedly noted that a due process analysis is now “required” under its twentieth century caselaw.

    Judge Sotomayor ignored this instruction from the Supreme Court. She decided that her court was not required to perform this due process analysis because the nineteenth century decisions under the Privileges or Immunities Clause had settled the issue. Several circuit courts had reached the same conclusion before last year’s Supreme Court’s decision, and one other circuit court reached the same conclusion just this month. Her defenders can therefore plausibly argue that her decision was not wildly out of the judicial mainstream.

    It is not true, however, that Judge Sotomayor was faithfully following precedent. The Supreme Court has never said that the Due Process Clause does not “incorporate” the right to keep and bear arms. That Court has never said that the nineteenth century Privileges or Immunities Clause cases foreclose due process analysis. Nor has it ever said that the lower courts are supposed to “wait” for the Supreme Court to rule on due process incorporation. The Supreme Court’s twentieth century incorporation cases are the most relevant precedents, and Judge Sotomayor completely ignored them.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/12/sotomayor_and_the_second_amendment_97420.html

    There’s more there. Read and learn, if you’re into some quite interesting (for us constitutinal law types ;-) ) history of the development of incorporation jurisprudence.

  71. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    “Senator Barbara Boxer, the biggest Senate proponent of cap-and-trade and the one who will dole out the billions of dollars worth of permits on the Senate side.” [Regular]

    Is there a verb of some sort in this run-on sentence??

  72. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Allocation Economics: Cap and Trade
    It doesn’t work

    Ben Liberman

    Each of these regulated entities would be given for free or be required to purchase enough “rights” to emit carbon dioxide to cover their activities. These rights to emit an amount of carbon dioxide, called allowances, would be tradable commodities, so those who have extras can sell them to those who don’t. That’s the trade part of cap and
    trade. Over time, the annual amount of these allowances goes down, as I mentioned, culminating in an 83 percent reduction in allowances in 2050. So in that year, everyone who uses fossil fuels would be fighting for allowances that cover only 17 percent of our 2005 greenhouse gas emissions.

    Prices have to go up enough to force people to use less energy, and so for those not bought off with free allowances that means the costs are that much higher. For those of you in this room who haven’t hired one of the 2,400 lobbyists working on this issue, it probably means that whatever free allowances they get for their clients, Waxman-Markey will cost you that much more.

    In our analysis, the higher energy costs kick in as soon as the bill’s provisions take effect in 2012. For a household of four, energy costs go up $436 that year, and they eventually reach over $1,241 in 2035 and average $829 per year over that span.

    Electricity costs go up $468, gasoline goes up $565, and natural gas goes up $161 by 2035. That’s a 58 percent increase in gas prices, 90 percent for electricity, and 55 percent for natural gas. Cumulative higher energy costs for a household of four from 2012-2035 would reach nearly $20,000.

    But direct energy costs is only part of the consumer impact. Nearly everything goes up, since higher energy costs raise production costs. If you look at the total cost of Waxman-Markey as reflected in the cost of the allocations and offsets, and divide these costs by the population, you get a total impact attributable to a family of four averaging $2,979 annually from 2012 to 2035. And most of that $2,979 per household would be passed on to the general public so it is a good gauge of the ultimate cost.

    The increase in the national debt by 2035 for a family of four is 26 percent or $115,000.

    Bottom Line – Capn and Trade doesn’t work

    European emissions have been rising more quickly than those in the U.S. That’s right:

    Many nations with cap and trade have had faster rates of emissions growth than the U.S. has had without it.

    The only thing that has decreased in Europe is the amount of free use money in their respective wallets.

  73. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Another hard day at work on the taxpayers’ dime eh, “GMC70?”

  74. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the clear, legal interpretation GMC.

  75. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I didnt think that the D.C. ruling applied to the States — Since D.C. isnt a State??

  76. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Do you have anything substantive to add, MH?

    No?

    I didn’t think so.

    (GMC flicks figurative gnat from his shoulder).

  77. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I didnt think that the D.C. ruling applied to the States — Since D.C. isnt a State??

    Correct, Chas, it didn’t, at least directly. But the jurisprudence on incorporation, the fundamental question as to whether rights apply to the states, is in fact largely settled law. If the 2nd Am. protects a fundamental right (and Heller says it does), then fundamental rights are protected against the states. Sotomayer ignored that precedent in rather summarily ruling, without any real analysis, that the 2nd Am. didn’t apply to the states.

    In much the same way, BTW, her panel’s ruling on Ricci was rather summary, without analysis. If I have a criticism, of Sotomayer, it is that she seems to be rather hastily dismissive of constitutional issues.

    That’s why I have concern as to her intellectual laziness.

  78. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    OK, so do the Circuit Courts rule on Constitutional issues, or are those issues for the SCOTUS to determine??

  79. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    And further BTW –

    The SCOTUS use of the Due Process Clause to selectively incorporate the Bill of Rights, and its rejection of applying the privileges and immunities clause in the Slaugher-House Cases in 1873, and Cruikshank, is rather interesting, and in some legal circles, rather controversial.

    I think the SCOTUS got it wrong way back then, and the 14th amendment, by its own terms, nationalized the Bill of Rights. IOW, I think the Slaugher-House cases and Cruikshank were wrongly decided. However, using selective incorporation, we have largely gotten there anyway, though it takes some somewhat dishonest (IMHO) legal manipulation to do so.

    Here’s a quickie primer, for those interested.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause_incorporation

  80. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    “GMC70″ posts from work –

    “That’s why I have concern as to her intellectual laziness.”

    Right…

    Summa cum laude from Princeton, Yale Law School, editor of the Yale Law Journal.

    That most certainly points to “intellectual laziness” compared to “GMC70’s” degree from the “Draw Winky” school of law.

  81. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    OK, so do the Circuit Courts rule on Constitutional issues, or are those issues for the SCOTUS to determine??

    Yes they do, as they arise. ANY court may rule on constitutional issues if such a ruling is necessary to a decision. Every time a state trial court makes a decision as to whether to suppress a piece of evidence, for example, it is deciding a constitutional issue.

    The real question is whether those courts are bound by the holdings of higher courts. Where there is a higher court that has clearly held on a point of constitutional law, lower courts are bound. Whether, in the 2nd Am. context, the Courts of Appeal for the various circuits are in fact bound, and whether the 2nd Am applies to the states, is a split question at this point.

  82. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    If you haven’t figured it out, BTW, constitutional law is what got me interested in law school in the first place. Of course, law schools promptly beat all the fun out of constitutional law . . . . .

    ;-)

  83. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Ya know, MH, if you had ever demonstrated a sign of having a clue, or an independent thought, I could take you seriously.

    You don’t, so I don’t.

  84. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    I have plenty of clues, “GMC70″ –

    …that you spend hours on WE Blog while collecting a lawyer’s salary from Butler County.

    Care to refute?

  85. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Billboard Claiming Martin Luther King Was Republican Angers Black Activists in Houston

    Fox News

    A jumbo-sized road sign claiming that civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. was a Republican has stirred a religious and political fight in Houston, where a church leader is trying to draw black voters into the GOP.

    The founder of RagingRepublicans.org, the black conservative group that sponsored the sign, told FOXNews.com that the sign was designed to get blacks to rethink their political affiliation — about 95 percent of blacks voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential elections — and that this is just the beginning. He said a radio campaign that focuses on “the destructive nature of liberalism” is forthcoming.

    =================
    O’BAMA is not your friend.

    Ninety-five percent of blacks voted for Obama. As of June, black unemployment stood at 14.7 percent.

  86. GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Do you have anything substantive to add, MH?

    No?

    I didn’t think so.

  87. Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Regular’s unemployment level stood at 100 percent.

  88. Phantom
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    What? Even the Khmer rouge knew you couldn’t get a true confession using torture?
    PHNOM PENH (Reuters) – A former interrogator at the Khmer Rouge’s notorious S-21 prison on Tuesday expressed no remorse for the deaths of thousands of Cambodians who he said had all committed crimes.

    Appearing as a prosecution witness in the trial of Duch, Pol Pot’s head jailor, Mam Nay, also known as Chan, denied any part in torture or killings of prisoners and blamed the United States and Vietnam for undermining his country.

    An estimated 1.7 million people died during the Khmer Rouge’s four-year “killing fields” reign of terror, which ended when Vietnamese forces invaded in 1979.

    Asked by the judge if he regretted what happened at the Tuol Sleng prison, where more than 14,000 men, women and children were killed, Chan showed no remorse.

    “My only regret was our country was invaded,” he told the joint Cambodian-U.N. tribunal. “Frankly speaking, the Americans invaded us then Vietnam invaded us. That is my regret.”

    During his five hours of questioning, Nay, a former teacher, said he remembered very little about the S-21 interrogation center, a former school and now a museum to the horrors of the Khmer Rouge regime.

    He was granted immunity in exchange for his testimony but was reluctant to speak against Duch, the first of the five indicted former Khmer Rouge cadres to face trial.

    “I was assigned by Duch to interrogate detainees,” said Chan, who wore sunglasses and a traditional Cambodian scarf. “I did not use torture in my interrogation. I believed I would not get a true confession.”

  89. biased1
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Today, examples of the torture methods used by the Khmer Rouge can be seen at the Tuol Sleng Genocide Museum. The museum occupies the former grounds of a high school turned prison camp that was operated by Khang Khek Ieu, more commonly known as “Comrade Duch”. Some 17,000 people passed through this centre before they were taken to sites (also known as The Killing Fields), outside Phnom Penh such as Choeung Ek where most were executed (mainly by pickaxes to save bullets) and buried in mass graves. Of the thousands who entered the Tuol Sleng Centre (also known as S-21), only twelve are known to have survived.

    yeah, phatmom…

  90. Agnatha
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    “The Supreme Court’s twentieth century incorporation cases are the most relevant precedents, and Judge Sotomayor completely ignored them.”

    Two things.

    1) Real Clear Politics is hardly an unbiased source. One would expect a commentary on Sotomayor there to be, frankly, critical.

    2) I find it courious that the author specifically singles out Sotomayor for completely ignoring precedents. Other justices (including both her of collegues on the 2nd Court of Appeals, also apparently ignored them). Furthermore, apparent Posner and Easterbrook also ignored such precedent.

    It is clear, counselor, that your approach on this issue is in line more with your politics than with your professional opinion.

  91. Agnatha
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Re: Regular
    Quoting “stories” from Faux News to get reactions in a spam troll strategy.

    DNFTT

  92. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    25 Million People Unemployed

    WSJ

    The number of workers taking part-time jobs due to the slack economy, a kind of stealth
    underemployment, has doubled in this recession to about nine million, or 5.8% of the work force. Add those whose hours have been cut to those who cannot find a full-time job and the total unemployed rises to 16.5%, putting the number of involuntarily idle in the range of 25 million.

    O’BAMA

    WORST

    PRESIDENT

    EVER

  93. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    The ‘jawless fish’s’ knowledge on Constitutional law involves reading Mother Jones during his morning constitutional.

  94. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    “Regular’s” morning constitutional involves getting his sister to change his Depends.

  95. StevenEDavis
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    GMC70
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
    Do you have anything substantive to add, MH?

    No?

    I didn’t think so.
    * * * * *
    I think the “unsubstantive” trick is interesting. I believe if I lived in Butler County, I’d be pretty unhappy with how some of my tax money was being spent. Surely there is a way to see if the citizens over there agree, or not.

    Does El Dorado still have a newspaper? They would probably snatch up a letter to the editor on this very interesting subject.

    But then again, the El Dorado newspaper just might consider the putative letter to the editor “unsubstantive”.

  96. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Steven Davis demonstrates the Lib Way by threatening other personal life and denying them to exercise their freedom of speech by using bullying tactics.

    This is what the Leftist Lib stands for, hate and bitter speech for me, no speech for thee.

  97. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Interesing link from cnn:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/14/political.sex.scandals/index.html

    so much for bj’s assertion that Republicans are “the enemy”. If you read this link, then bj can claim “i have met the enemy, and he is us”.

    anyone who wants to claim moral superiority based on political party needs to read the FACTS as demonstrated by the article on cnn.com

    course, “capn” will whine “they did it first” or will just chant “bush bush bush bush bush bush bush” as is his usual response to any facts that do not portray his beloved libs as perfect.

  98. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    so, mh…which law school did YOU go to? you make fun of the school gm attended, without even knowing which school that is…so, you must have attended a “superior” one, yes?

    So, easy question. which law school did you graduate from?

  99. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    “Regular” runs to “GMC70’s” defense –

    “Steven Davis demonstrates the Lib Way by threatening other personal life and denying them to exercise their freedom of speech by using bullying tactics.”

    I’m not sure how expecting an employee to, y’know, do his job for the salary he’s paid involves a life-threatening offense.

    Perhaps you might expand on that point, “Regular.”

  100. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    “so much for bj’s assertion that Republicans are “the enemy””

    I’ll not bother with your link. I cannot imagine any way it could change my feeling about greedy cruel selfish just plain no damn good Republicans.

  101. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    simple, bj….if you would bother reading the FACTS, you will see that the dems are just as immoral as the republicans. Simple proof. you can stick your fingers in your ears all you want, but it doesn’t change the FACTS.

    facts are funny things there, bj….whether you like them or not, they are not in dispute.

  102. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    For all you know, “Raptor” –

    It was summa cum laude from Princeton, Yale Law School, editor of the Yale Law Journal.

    You know, what “GMC70″ considers “intellectual laziness.”

    And — to get to the actual point (and away from your obvious attempt at diverting the truth) — the subject at hand is a county employee goldbricking during many, many days so he can spout CON blog-posts.

    How would you, “Raptor,” feel if you discovered that long line at the Department of Motor Vehicles was due to a clerk blogging about the Moose-Dresser instead of tending to, y’know, her job?

  103. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    “Simple proof. you can stick your fingers in your ears all you want, but it doesn’t change the FACTS.

    facts are funny things there, bj….whether you like them or not, they are not in dispute.” [Raptor]

    Sort of like, ya know, OBAMA WON!! That’s a fact… facts are funny things… like them or not, they are not in dispute!! ROFL!!

  104. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    “dems are just as immoral as the republicans”

    Huh? When did the Democrats try to deny health care for people who need it? I never heard a Democrat call unemployment “rocking chair pay”. And if the Democrats are in the pocket of big business like the cons, they must be at least better at being ashamed of it.

  105. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    talk about diversion…my question was simple, mh. what law school did you graduate from?

    or is it just too easy to critcize from the cheap seats?

  106. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    i wonder if somebody was born in Washington, D.C., if they could run for President, since ummmm D.C. isnt one of the United States??

    I wonder if this question has ever come up??

    This is not an attempt to start an argument… Actually a question inspired by the solution of the D.C. gun ruling by the SCOTUS…. Which also makes me wonder, since it was a ruling on the non-state of D. C., is the SCOTUS ruling actually binding on D. C.???

  107. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    chas….your comment has no bearing on the link or the thread…you and others who have constantly taken the ‘moral high ground’ have nothing to back it up. the proof is at cnn.com. unless, like bj, you follow the closed minded “my mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts” mentality.

  108. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Chas was sleeping during Civics class.

  109. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Raptor, What connection does your question to Monkey have to do with anything?? You playing with apples and oranges again?? You still cant make them equal… one of those blasted gnarly facts again…. LOL

    Whether Monkey DID or DID NOT attend a law school anywhere is totally red herring to anything said here… so far…

  110. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    blah blah blah goes the Lib…

    snark snark snark…

    red herring
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    BUSH
    CHENEY

    blah blah blah goes the Lib…

    snark snark snark…

    red herring
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    BUSH
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    BUSH
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  111. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    mh feels entitled to criticize where gm got his law degree—not based on any facts whatsoever, just throwing out the insult:

    GMC70’s” degree from the “Draw Winky” school of law.

    so, I want to know where ‘mh’ got his valued degree that gives him the right to criticize.

  112. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    “Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:15 pm | Permalink
    chas….your comment has no bearing on the link or the thread…you and others who have constantly taken the ‘moral high ground’ have nothing to back it up. the proof is at cnn.com. unless, like bj, you follow the closed minded “my mind is made up, don’t confuse me with facts” mentality.” [Raptor]

    Ummmm… last time I looked, this thread says “open thread” You sure YOU are posting on the right one??? LOL I mean, open thread does mean Open Thread, right??

  113. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    North Carolina Police Probe Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532625,00.html?test=latestnews

    I’m sure he was Rehabilitated.

  114. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    ‘chas’…you were posting about the outcome of an election in response to my posting a link (also known as a “thread” to those of you having trouble keeping up) about the sexual misbehaviors of people from both parties.

    That was the FACT I was referring to…and your off the wall response did not refute my initial statement in any way, shape or form.

  115. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink
    Interesing link from cnn:

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/14/political.sex.scandals/index.html
    =============================================

    I dont see anything in this link with which to disagree… The only comment I would have is that all of those democrats in the article, are either dead, or no longer in office… Not so much with the Republicans listed…

  116. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    “Raptor” scolds –

    “….your comment has no bearing on the link or the thread…”

    Nor does your question about my law school, “Raptor.”

    Or didn’t you notice that?

    This isn’t about “GMC70’s” politics. Unlike you some of the CONs in this forum, “GMC70″ sometimes brings thoughtful points to discussions of issues.

    I enjoy talking some issues with “GMC70.” But I recognize Right-Wingnut cut-and-post rhetoric when I see it.

    And, I’m sorry, but when “GMC70″ criticizes Sonia Satomayor’s “…intellectual laziness…” I think it’s not out of line to question his professionalism vis a vis his government job.

    You don’t gotta problem wit’ that?

    Explain why, if you have a mind to.

    It’s a question that has “…bearing on the thread…,” just as you ask for.

    Unfortunately, he personifies one of those dreaded “bureaucrats” you CONs complain about for collecting a taxpayer-funded paycheck and ignoring professional duties.

    NURSE — Doctor! The patient’s appendix is about to burst!

    DOCTOR — Not until I cut-and-post this thing from the Freepers on WE Blog.

    As long as the doctor is working in a county hospital it’s okay, right?

  117. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Ohhh myyyyy how picky picky picky…. Since it’s an oppen thread, I didnt know there are any “boundaries” — artificial or otherwise… However, I will remember that the next time you pull one of your “non substantive posts… :-)

  118. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:32 pm | Permalink
    North Carolina Police Probe Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532625,00.html?test=latestnews
    ==============================================

    Makes me wonder why they are just asking about that now??? And why did Fox News wait so long to post the question???

    Personally, at my house, we were wondering that as soon as we first heard it…

    I told my wife, that if I was one of the victims’ relatives, I would think very had about some kind of lawsuit against the parole process, or the State, or somebody, for letting that wacko walk….

  119. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Bye for now… time to get dinner cooking, and get ready for the 80th All Star Game, live from St. Louis’ NEW Busch Stadium…. With the POTUS throwing out the ceremonial First Pitch…. Hopefully, he can throw a baseball as good as he shoots a basketball!! Ha!!

  120. American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    “Obama now warns unemployment likely will top 10 percent ”

    I dunno libs, isn’t it about time to throw some more money at it?

  121. American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    “Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People”

    I’ll bet empathy had something to do with it.

  122. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:43 pm | Permalink
    JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:32 pm | Permalink
    North Carolina Police Probe Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People
    Tuesday, July 14, 2009

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532625,00.html?test=latestnews
    ==============================================

    Makes me wonder why they are just asking about that now??? And why did Fox News wait so long to post the question???

    Personally, at my house, we were wondering that as soon as we first heard it…

    I told my wife, that if I was one of the victims’ relatives, I would think very had about some kind of lawsuit against the parole process, or the State, or somebody, for letting that wacko walk….
    —————————————–

    You can find news reports almost daily, about paroled prisoners committing violent crimes.

    Don’t have it handy, but the FBI Crime reports show an extremely high recidivism rate for those previously convicted of violent crimes, imprisoned, then paroled.

    A large percentage of all violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders.

    Some argue incarceration rates in the US are too high. But do they see the consequences of opening the prison doors?

  123. American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    2009 Budget deficit hits 1.1 trillion dollars! Record overdraft spending in United States History.

    Barack Obama makes history.

    Worst President. Ever.

  124. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    #
    American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    “Obama now warns unemployment likely will top 10 percent ”

    I dunno libs, isn’t it about time to throw some more money at it?
    ——————————
    Wait until Barack O’BAMA gets his way with taxes on those who provide the jobs – it will be like 15-20 percent unemployment, possibly higher.

    O’BAMA

    WORST

    PRESIDENT

    EVER

  125. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Permalink
    “Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People”

    I’ll bet empathy had something to do with it.

    =======================

    That’s it. We need more judges with empathy.

  126. American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Elderly people in England may be asked [TOLD] to take out long-term care insurance

    BBC:

    England Compulsory social care bill plan

    People in England may be forced to pay as much as £20,000 on retirement to help fund the social care system under plans being put forward by ministers.

    It is one of three options being proposed by the government alongside top-ups and insurance.

    In return, the government said a certain amount of social care would be provided free to everyone, while accommodation costs could be deferred.

    The current means-tested system is considered unfair and unsustainable.

    About three quarters of people in the system fall into this category.

    This means that thousands of pensioners each year have to sell their homes or use their savings to fund their long-term care.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8148116.stm

    That’s $32,200.00 in US Dollars.

    Be careful what you hope for.

  127. American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    “That’s it. We need more judges with empathy.”

    I’ll bet the fella was “reformed” in prison.

  128. American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Confidence down, but wholesale and retail prices jump. (inflation showing it’s pretty head?)

    “Consumer confidence, as measured by the Conference Board, dropped in June, reversing a three-month upward trend fueled by a stock market rally that also is fizzling a bit.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/14/wholesale-prices-rise-expected-june/

    Consumer confidence in Barakenomics is falling.

  129. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Well,

    I haven’t seen any visible decline in how well the well heeled live.

    So, there must still be plenty of money out there. We just need taxes that work for the needy and not the greedy.

  130. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Interesting, isn’t it?

    How “Raptor” needs to come to the defense of “GMC70″ esquire

    And, since it’s after 5pm, “GMC70″ is out of the office so can’t defend himself on the taxpayers’ dime.

    As you’ll note from my previous posts, none of what upsets “GMC70″ has to do with his political bent.

    I’m just some guy sitting and noting there’s a big-time 1st Degree Murder case in Butler County involving that co-ed and an illegal immigrant and I’d suppose the best minds in the Butler County Attorney’s office are working hard on it.

    Meanwhile, “GMC70″ is cutting-and-posting from right-wingnut websites morning and afternoon from his air-conditioned office in the court house. And then he has the audacity to accuse the next justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of “…intellectual laziness…?!”

    I suppose there have been a lot of hot and sweaty employees of Butler County who were driving dump trucks or running a backhoe or laying asphalt while “GMC70″ collected a lot more money playing on the internet.

    He could explain his free time. Maybe he’s so important to the Butler County Attorney’s office he’s saved back so he can be the super-hero when a really important case comes along.

    First-degree murder of a college student by an illegal alien?

    Meh…

    No, that’s why they’re saving “GMC70.” For an important case.

    Yeah. I believe that.

    I also believe in the Tooth Fairy.

    But you, “Raptor,” have convinced me!

    You are a much better advocate for “GMC70″ than… well, “GMC70.”

    I’m sure he appreciates your support.

  131. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Unemployment forecast poses a political hurdle for Democrats over their spending

    by Michael A. Fletcher/Washington Post Sunday June 21, 2009

    With many forecasters projecting unemployment to remain above 10 percent next year and not return to pre-recession levels of roughly 5 percent for years after that, Obama is likely to be confronted with defending the effectiveness of his economic policies as the nation endures its worst employment situation in a generation.

    Analysts say the high levels of joblessness would be accompanied by increases in child poverty, strained government budgets and black and Latino unemployment rates approaching 20 percent.

    “I find it unfathomable that people are not horrified about what is going to happen,” said Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute. “I regard all this talk about how the recession is maybe going to end, all the talk about deficits and inflation, to be the equivalent of telling Americans, ‘You are just going to have to tough it out.’ But we’re looking at persistent unemployment that is going to be extraordinarily damaging to many communities. There is a ton of pain in the pipeline.”

    …Before passage of the stimulus bill, the Obama administration had predicted that unemployment would peak at 8 percent before beginning to abate this fall. But unemployment has already reached 9.4 percent, the highest level in a quarter-century, and the situation is not projected to start improving until long after the White House had predicted.

    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/06/unemployment_forecast_poses_a.html

  132. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    So, which is it, Johnson?? From WaPo, or from the Cleveland paper?? pleae be specific??

  133. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:59 pm | Permalink
    Confidence down, but wholesale and retail prices jump. (inflation showing it’s pretty head?)

    ——————————

    Of course Inflation will become a problem.

    ECON 101. When you increase the money supply by printing money, duh, inflation happens. When inflation goes up, interest rates rise. When inflation, interest rates, and unemployment all remain high, we will have Carter-era Stagflation again.

    O’s plan ain’t workin. So they’ll try the same thing again with Stimulus II.

    When inflation, interest rates and unemployment all exceed 10%, the SHTF for THE ONE.

  134. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    REALITY CHECK — Obama’s Plan has barely had 5 months…. Obama said at the beginning, that the stimulus plan would take TWO YEARS to take effect….

    Come back an whine in 19 months…. Now??? You are merely tilting at windmills!!! Hang in there JimJohnson Quixote….

  135. Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    #
    Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    blah blah blah goes the Lib…

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    ==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==

    Is the heat getting to you, Regular? Good news….the next few days should be considerably cooler!

  136. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:16 pm | Permalink
    So, which is it, Johnson?? From WaPo, or from the Cleveland paper?? pleae be specific??
    ——————————-

    Did you try clicking on the link?

    Move your cursor (the little pointy arrow thingy on your screen) using your mouse (the little thing you hold in your hand).

    (No not that thing, the thing that’ connected to your PC!)

    You will see a link in the post you questioned. A link is a bunch of little letters and numbers that are underlined, and when you click on the link by moving your pointy arrow so that it covers the link, using your mouse push down on the left button on your mouse thingy. It will go “click”. (That’s called clicking the mouse.)

    Then, after clicking the mouse on the link, you will bring up the web page I referenced in the post.

    Then, you can read for yourself that the original story was in the Washington Post, then reposted on Cleveland.com.

  137. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Obama ALSO said things would get tough, before they get better…

    CONS expect him to be Houdini, or Copperfield… And pull some economic energizer bunny out of his hat….

    After all, investments dont work over night either… Ever hear a CON gripe cause his/her first year Pension contributions arent bigger??? Of course not… It isnt a short term overhaul… It’s LONG TERM….

    My belief is that instead of just Bi*ching and moaning, and WHINING… That the CONS should get behind the stimulus with all of the positive thoughts you can muster, and HELP the stimulus, instead of all of the negative BULL HOCKEY being plastered all over everywhere….

    In other words… CONS pull your heads out of your collective butts, and actually DO SOMETHING…. instead of GRIPING!!! You are fast becoming the boy/girl who cried WOLF!!! NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU ANYMORE!!!

  138. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:21 pm | Permalink
    REALITY CHECK — Obama’s Plan has barely had 5 months…. Obama said at the beginning, that the stimulus plan would take TWO YEARS to take effect….

    Come back an whine in 19 months…. Now??? You are merely tilting at windmills!!! Hang in there JimJohnson Quixote….
    ———————————

    Oh no, Obama clearly said his plan would keep us below 8.5 percent, and that without his plan, unemployment would exceed 9%.

    HE made the forecast. Was he wrong?

    If he was wrong about his plan working last time, why would we believe his next plan will work?

  139. American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    “Come back an whine in 19 months…”

    Now that’s just silly. Where are the new jobs this guy campaigned on? Where is the recovery?

    If you wait long enough, of course the recovery will come about (maybe).

    But Obama is responsible NOW. He also said we would top off at 8%!!

    Liar in the white house. Recession moving to depression.

  140. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Unemployment Rate With and Without the Recovery Plan

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114×65817

  141. Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    #
    JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 5:48 pm | Permalink
    “Why South Carolina Serial Killer Was Released From Jail Before Killing Five People”

    I’ll bet empathy had something to do with it.

    =======================

    That’s it. We need more judges with empathy.
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Meh…they probably needed the cell space so they could lockup some potheads.

  142. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    TW = BTW

  143. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    “But Obama is responsible NOW. He also said we would top off at 8%!!” [AMWAY]

    YO, DUMMY….. IS THIS DECEMBER??? YOU ARE LIKE A SPOILED KID — IF YOU DONT GET WHAT YOU WANT THE MINUTE YOU WANT, YOU START WAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA

    GROW UP… ACT LIKE A PARTICIPATING ADULT, INSTEAD OF A 3RD GRADER IN SANDBOX 101…

  144. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Unemployment Rate With and Without the Recovery Plan

    (Thru June 2009)

    http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/stimulus-vs-unemployment-june-dots.gif

  145. JimJohnson
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:28 pm | Permalink
    “Come back an whine in 19 months…”

    Now that’s just silly. Where are the new jobs this guy campaigned on? Where is the recovery?

    If you wait long enough, of course the recovery will come about (maybe).

    But Obama is responsible NOW. He also said we would top off at 8%!!

    Liar in the white house. Recession moving to depression.
    ———————————–

    Didn’t he say he created or saved 3.5 Million jobs?

    If HE said it, then it MUST be true.

    I couldn’t find JOBS SAVED on any Government Web Site, like the Department of Labor, which does have the number of JOBS LOST.

    But I can’t for some reason, find the number of JOBS SAVED.

    huh….

  146. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    but…don’t forget…he ‘SAVED’ 150,000 jobs.

    Did anyone ever come up with any proof of that whatsoever? Or was bho just making things up as millions lose their jobs?

  147. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    IS THIS DECEMBER, JOHNSON??? WHERE DID OBAMA SAY HIS STIMULUS WOULD BE IMMEDIATE?? SHOW US WHERE, DUMB AZZ…. YOU CANT FIND THAT CLAIM OF YOURS ANYWHERE….

    HE SAID THE UNEMPLOYMENT WOULD HIT THE 8% BY THE END OF THE YEAR…. THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE MONTHS YET IN THIS YEAR….

    COME BACK AND WHINE IN DECEMBER…. FOR NOW, JUST SHUT UP AND MAKE IT WORK… FOR YOU… FOR EVERYBODY!!! AND STOP YOUR DAMNED BIT*CHING!!! YOUR GRIPING DOESNT MEAN DIDDLY SQUAT!!!

    GO THROW A TANTRUM OR SOMETHING…. WAY FAR AWAY SO GOOD, HARDWORKING, NORMAL PEOPLE DONT HAVE TO DAILY WATCH YOU MAKE AN ASS OUT OF YOURSELF!!!

  148. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Chas back away from the keyboard and take your little finger off the shift key.

    Obama said the unemployment figure would stay below if the stimulus package passed. He lied.

    Obama said there were thousand of ’shovel ready’ jobs ready to go if the stimulus package passed. He lied.

    Obama said he wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone that made less than $250,000. With the cap and tax bill – he lied.

    What exactly has this man done for our country? He has apologized to every country he has gone to for ‘the ugly Americans’.

    He has made a total fool of himself when he bowed to a Saudi prince like he was subservient to him.

    He insulted the Queen of England by sending a bust of Churchill back.

    WPE. BTW no one told him he could have two years to turn the economy around so get off that band wagon and think positively about that ‘hope’ and ‘change’ he promised cause the native are getting restless.

  149. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    ALL I SEE HERE ARE LOONEY GOONS ON PARADE!!! AND WHAT’S WORSE, THEY ARE ALL PROUD OF THEMSELVES, FOR OFFERING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ANY POSSIBLE SOLUTION…. JUST GRIPES, MOANS, GROANS, AND BELLYACHES!!!

    STUPID CONS!!!

  150. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    and the ‘reverend’ loses it..yelling and insulting once again.

    remind me to stay away from all organized religion if this character is representative of what goes on in churches…

  151. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    A T T E N T I O N ! ! !

    S T R O K E

    F I N G E R
    A L E R T ! ! !

    A T T E N T I O N ! ! !

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  152. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    “WPE. BTW no one told him he could have two years to turn the economy around so get off that band wagon and think positively about that ‘hope’ and ‘change’ he promised cause the native are getting restless.” [OKIE]

    AHHHH BUT, OKIE… YOU JUST SAID LESS THAN A WEEK AGO, HOW MUCH YOU WANT OBAMA TO SUCCEED….

    THEN GET OFF OF YOUR STUPID FAT BUTT, AND MAKE IT WORK!!! YOU WANT OBAMA TO FAIL…. YOU WANT AMERICA TO FAIL…. YOU PROVE IT EVERY DAY, AND THEN TRY TO GET STUPID PEOPLE TO BELIEVE YOU WANT OBAMA TO SUCCEED…. YOU WANT AMERICA TO FAIL!!!

    WHY DONT YOU TAKE YOUR UGLY PRIDE, AND STUFF IT SOMEWHERE THE SUN WOULDNT DARE SHINE??? HMMMMM????

    YOU MAKE A TOTAL FOOL OF YOURSELF EVERY TIME YOU SAY YOU WANT OBAMA TO SUCCEED!!!

  153. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Chas says to Reg:

    “GO THROW A TANTRUM OR SOMETHING…. WAY FAR AWAY SO GOOD, HARDWORKING, NORMAL PEOPLE DONT HAVE TO DAILY WATCH YOU MAKE AN ASS OUT OF YOURSELF!!!”

    Good advise. Chas go take it. As for the conservatives not doing anything to advance Obama – well remember the liberals won the election and we were told to ’set back and shutup’ by many of the exurburient leftwing nuts here. So do something yourself. Remember the eight years of moaning about Bush – well we have just started and he is giving us so much to gripe about.

    WPE Obama

  154. Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    “HE SAID THE UNEMPLOYMENT WOULD HIT THE 8% BY THE END OF THE YEAR…. THERE ARE MORE THAN FIVE MONTHS YET IN THIS YEAR….”

    Good news, Chas. Unemployment hit 8% a while back a few months ahead of schedule.

    BTW, he also said he would create or save 200,000 jobs by this summer. Experts say at most 50,000 jobs have been created or save so far; little short of the target right.

    Hit the Caps Lock, you are looking childish but that is normal.

  155. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Chas take a few deep breaths you are losing control. No one but a liberal would give a prez open season on ruining the country. What are you going to do when the country goes further down the tube – say but he tried. Deflect, devert, Bush, Cheney, Palin, devert, deflect… Did you notice that isn’t working for him anymore. The people have caught on. They still like him but say his policies stink. Well that is where I am.

  156. Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    OKIE WANTS OBAMA TO FAIL!! OKIE WANTS AMERICA TO FAIL!!

    BUNCH OF DAMNED KINDERGARTNERS THAT ARENT BEING ALLOWED TO HAVE THEIR WAY!!!

    BTW, I DIDNT TELL REG TO GO THROW A TANTRUM… I ADDRESSED THAT COMMENT TO JOHNSON — UNLESS YOU ARE TRYTING TO TELL US SOMETHING… LOL

  157. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Voters’ Remorse — Is Baracklash on the Horizon?

    Fox News

    Yep…

    Since January Obama has failed to help many of his core supporters. Will they soon turn against him?

    Ninety-five percent of blacks voted for Obama. As of June, black unemployment stood at 14.7 percent,

    Unemployment for Hispanics in June was 12.2 percent, an increase from 8.8 percent upon Bush’s departure.

    On July 3, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, who supported Obama for president, wrote in The Wall Street Journal that “Many American supporters of Israel who voted for Barack Obama now suspect they may have been victims of a bait and switch. Now, some of them apparently have voters’ remorse.”

    O’BAMA

    WORST

    PRESIDENT

    EVER

  158. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Oh good grief. ANOTHER embarrassing day for Kansas.

    In the latest round of attacks on mermaids, minotaurs, fawns, bat boy, man bear pigs, reverse mermaids and ThunderCats, Sen. Sam Brownback has introduced the Human-Animal Hybrid Prohibition Act of 2009. Snarf, I don’t know about this, Lion-O.

    On his blog, Brownback wrote about the act’s intent, which is to preserve the sanctity of human life by banning the competition. This issue has been of grave concern since Ancient Greece, and it’s the third consecutive year that such legislation has gone to Capitol Hill. This time, Brownback and 20 of his colleagues, including John McCain, are carrying the torch.
    Writes Brownback: “Creating human-animal hybrids, which permanently alter the genetic makeup of an organism, will challenge the very definition of what it means to be human and is a violation of human dignity and a grave injustice.”

    Great, Biomedical research getting hung up by hung up Brownback.

  159. brian_nuevo
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    “BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:10 pm | Permalink
    ……“Creating human-animal hybrids, which permanently alter the genetic makeup of an organism, will challenge the very definition of what it means to be human and is a violation of human dignity and a grave injustice.””

    I wonder if human-machine hybrids are still ok? I know come cyborgs that are going to be pretty worried.

  160. Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

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  161. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    It takes more than six months to repair 25 years of Republican made damage. And yes, Bill Clinton had his part in that as the best Republican President of the last century.

    For the people who forced on us 8 years of the President who DEFINES failure in bush, I find their impatience with President Obama to right a very nearly sunken ship illustrative of their lack of character, intellect, and honor.

  162. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    “I wonder if human-machine hybrids are still ok? I know come cyborgs that are going to be pretty worried.”

    Please don’t let Brownback see an episode of Star Trek the Next Generation! He’ll go on a bender to defend us against the Borg!

  163. brian_nuevo
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    my wife says I am a horn dog. I wonder if Brownback would ok that?

  164. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m not finding Sam’s blog.

    I’m uh….I’m not real sure I want to.

    We find lately that when these cons have hangups, they usually are into what they are legislating against.

    Maybe we’ll find out Sam is sleeping with a hippogriff?

  165. brian_nuevo
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    or a liger

  166. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    I would say look out Monkeyhawk!

    So much for my plans to change my nic to BlueJayverine.

  167. brian_nuevo
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    lmao.

    I guess I am glad all of the more important problems in the United States of America are now solved so Brownback can move on to something lower priority like this.

  168. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Sam is mad because Mancow said waterboarding is torture?

  169. Political_mama
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Gawd Brownback is such a loser.

  170. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Chas = Faux Preacher, freaky faux preacher at that.
    What a heretic.

    Chas, you throw tantrums worse than an undisciplined out of control child.
    Go take your medication and don’t come back until it takes effect.

  171. YellowdogLiberal
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Here you go Reg, JohnJohnson, DonDublin, Grammy, etc. Got a job for you. It was in today’s classified section.

    July 14 Eagle classified job offer
    Sales Door to Door
    Roofing salesman. Make up to $5,000/wk. Whiners & Slackers need not apply.

    As tough as you guys are around the keyboard, this would be the perfect job for you. Good money too, apparently.

    Dennis

  172. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    I have a job – it’s online, thanks anyway.

  173. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Box–could you imagine being in his ‘congregation’ and have the pledge come up short? I can imagine him screaming and throwing things to get his way…

  174. Heckler
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Why would anyone need one of those EVIL black assault rifles with those 30 round clip thingies?

    PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN) — Seven people are in custody in connection with the shooting deaths of a Gulf Coast couple known for adopting special-needs children, and one more person is sought, the sheriff of Escambia County, Florida, said Tuesday.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/14/florida.couple.slain/index.html

  175. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Those murders in Florida need to get the ultimate in capitol punishment for their heinous crimes.

    choke them, knife them, hang them – then burn them – Send their remains for ‘gator food.

  176. Regular
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    murders=murderers

  177. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Raptor thanks for pointing that out but I believe it would be better forwarded to JR. He is the one who isn’t able to support his family. My family is fine.

  178. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    I heard those murders were democrats who voted for Obama in the last election. They lost their jobs and the stimulus didn’t help them at all and they are mad.

    Just kidding of course. I thought I would pull a Maggot.

  179. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    huh? Did I miss something, OK?

  180. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    I think you must be thinking of “Regular” there okie.

    I am on no assistance. I guess you better hope none of your prison labor jumps ship for better money.

    Or, would you just threaten to send them back to jail?

  181. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Raptor I meant to address that to Dennis the yellowdog democrat. Just got a new puppy and he has me a little busier than usual.

  182. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    no worries…easy to confuse posters here..especially with a new puppy demanding your attention!

  183. okobserver
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Bluejay with the downturn in the economy we are not able to help with the community corrections programs right now. I did however give your name to them and told them you thought we were taking advantage of them when we laid them off.

    I believe Reg gets a retirement from the military which was part of his employment contract. Just like your union buddies get under their union contracts. Sad you can’t see that. And no JR healthwaves isn’t part of your just deserves. It is a program for the children of people who either aren’t able or won’t take care of their own. You seem to be very mixed up tonight.

  184. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Says the “lady” who can’t keep her posters straight.

  185. Raptor
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    and bj….who hates everyone and everything is perfect and has never made a mistake.

    what a clown

  186. Boxlock20
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Anyone see a ‘disconnect’ in how BlueJay claims he is TOO PROUD TO WORK for someone else to earn support for himself and his kid in a decent manner, like providing health care, but is NOT TOO PROUD TO TAKE (steal) from those that do, using the government as his free ride.

  187. BlueJay
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Hey I was thinking of you the other day bawks.

    I uh…lost count while was loading up bags of dirt.

    I’m not sure if it was the losing count or the bags of dirt that made me think of you. But there it is.

  188. Agnatha
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Re: Jim Johnson
    DNFTST
    (I am becoming inclined to say the same thing about AmWay too, but not yet)

    RE: CHAS (who has been feeding the spam troll)
    DO NOT FEED THE CAPITAL TROLL STUPID CONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The “stupid cons”, btw, is tongue in cheek on MY part.

  189. Agnatha
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    “In the latest round of attacks on mermaids, minotaurs, fawns, bat boy, man bear pigs, reverse mermaids and ThunderCats, Sen. Sam Brownback has introduced the Human-Animal Hybrid Prohibition Act of 2009. Snarf, I don’t know about this, Lion-O.”

    He’s grandstanding. BTW, a full “ban” would be biologically illiterate. We actually end up with the DNA from other species in our own genomes naturally (deposited by retroviruses).

    That being said, this is an issue that deserves attention, because there are potential consequences to genetic research, and also some human animal hybrids are more than likely possible. I think the breeding of something like “humanzees”, for instance, is potentially very disturbing (a creature that would fit in with neither species). Not to mention, biomedical research is an area that should be closely monitored and regulated, for a variety of practical and ethical reasons.

  190. Hud
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Have not seen this mentioned, so just for BJ.

    The ‘Cap And Tax’ Dead End

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852.html

  191. Phantom
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Too late, we already have humanzees aka republicans.

  192. Phantom
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    I think I’ll use a con argument, if Obama fails it’ll only be because of all the negative vibes generated by the cons professing daily that his stimulus won’t work!
    Why do cons hate America?

  193. beber
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    It’s manpanzie.

  194. Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Writes Brownback: “Creating human-animal hybrids, which permanently alter the genetic makeup of an organism, will challenge the very definition of what it means to be human and is a violation of human dignity and a grave injustice.”
    _____________________________________________

    Hmmmm… Wonder if Brownback has been reading some old Sci-Fi novels…. The one that comes to mind is “Friday” by Robert Heinline.

    “Friday is a 1982 science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein. It is the story of a female “artificial person”, the titular character, genetically engineered to be stronger, faster, smarter, and generally better than normal humans. Artificial humans are widely resented, and much of the story deals with Friday’s struggle both against prejudice and to conceal her enhanced attributes from other humans. The story occurs against a backdrop of general social collapse, in a balkanized world in which the United States has been split up into a number of smaller nations.

    Friday was nominated for the Nebula Award for Best Novel in 1982 and the Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1983″

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_(novel)

  195. beber
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    “Anyone see a ‘disconnect’ in how BlueJay claims he is TOO PROUD TO WORK for someone else to earn support for himself and his kid in a decent manner, like providing health care, but is NOT TOO PROUD TO TAKE (steal) from those that do, using the government as his free ride.”

    Study that little diatribe carefully, because it is a pure nugget of conservative theology. Nasty vermin, aren’t they?

  196. Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Beber,

    Many such comments as that one, come from CONS who — get ready for it — WORK FOR THEMSELVES…. Just like BlueJay… ROFL

  197. wichhick
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    open thread…………you would also insinuate open mind……but that wouldn’t work for you chas..would it?

  198. wichhick
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    chas….what have you done……..

  199. Phantom
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    JERUSALEM – The Israeli military used reckless force during the fighting in Gaza earlier this year, resulting in needless deaths and damage, a group of former Israeli soldiers charged in a report Wednesday.

    In testimonies collected by the organization Breaking the Silence, formed by Israeli army reservists, soldiers who participated in the Gaza fighting describe demolishing homes for no reason and using firepower beyond what was necessary given the relatively light resistance they encountered. None of the soldiers are identified

  200. Boxlock20
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    “Hey I was thinking of you the other day bawks.
    I uh…lost count while was loading up bags of dirt.”—the thief BlueJay

    Did you again steal $1.50 bags of dirt thief, and feel proud about it like you bragged the last time?
    Your’s are the actions and comments of societal scum.

  201. Boxlock20
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    What’s it like to live with no self-respect BlueJay, no honor or ethics.

  202. okobserver
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    A very interesting flow chart showing the dims plan to nationalize our healthcare and the hoops healthcare providers would have to jump through before you and I get any care.
    ————-
    http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/House-Democrats-Health-Plan.pdf

  203. BlueJay
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    “What’s it like to live with no self-respect BlueJay, no honor or ethics.”

    It’s the holdover from my Republican origins.

  204. Boxlock20
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    You were never Republican, you lie about that like you lie and live in general. A leach and societal scum.

  205. BlueJay
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    I’m sorry bawks.

    Here is another, of MANY places, where what you choose to believe clashes with reality.

    I was indeed a Republican and voted for Ronald Reagan and a straight Republican ticket in 1984.

    Then, one by one, I found Republican core ideas at odds with the actions of most Republicans.

    Hmm, seems I was ahead of the trend!

  206. JimJohnson
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    More BJ whiner posts predicted.

    For the last two days, somone posted a perfect desription of BJ’s opinion on health care.

    Whoever posted that comments describing BJ’s hypocracy on not working for the man, but holding his hand out, please post this again today.

  207. JimJohnson
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted July 14, 2009 at 11:11 pm | Permalink
    Beber,

    Many such comments as that one, come from CONS who — get ready for it — WORK FOR THEMSELVES…. Just like BlueJay… ROFL
    ——————-

    I hate it when selfish people complain about selfish people.

  208. Posted July 15, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Bawks doesnt believe that it posts lies, because he believes its lies are true… That about sums it up, BlueJay…

  209. Posted July 15, 2009 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    It puts the lotion on its skin

  210. ANTI
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Chas needs the hose again.

  211. Boxlock20
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    “Whoever posted that comments describing BJ’s hypocracy on not working for the man, but holding his hand out, please post this again today.”—JimJohnson

    Was this it Jim?

    Boxlock posted:
    Anyone see a ‘disconnect’ in how BlueJay says he is TOO PROUD TO WORK for the man to support himself and his kid in a decent manner, like in providing necessary health care, but is NOT TOO PROUD TO TAKE (STEAL) from those that do, using the government as his strong arm and free ride.

  212. JimJohnson
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Yes Box! That’s it! Perfect Description!

    Please set-up a macro and post this at least twice every day.

    Thanks!

  213. JimJohnson
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock20
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink
    “Whoever posted that comments describing BJ’s hypocracy on not working for the man, but holding his hand out, please post this again today.”—JimJohnson

    Was this it Jim?

    Boxlock posted:
    Anyone see a ‘disconnect’ in how BlueJay says he is TOO PROUD TO WORK for the man to support himself and his kid in a decent manner, like in providing necessary health care, but is NOT TOO PROUD TO TAKE (STEAL) from those that do, using the government as his strong arm and free ride.
    ————————

    AND:

    Not too proud to steal $2 bags of dirt from Walmart.

  214. Boxlock20
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    “Not too proud to steal $2 bags of dirt from Walmart.”

    Self admitted too Jim, BlueJay was (is) proud he is so sophisticated he can steal like that and get away with it.

  215. JimJohnson
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Box, I was thinkin you might tack that on to your daily BJ “is so proud” post.

    He’s not too proud to steal dirt. Dirty theif.

  216. BlueJay
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Don’t forget!

    I was thinking of you when I done it.

    MuuuaaW!

  217. JimJohnson
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    BJ admits to stealing dirt from Walmart.

    And he’s proud of it.

  218. JimJohnson
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    And BJ, who were you thinking about when stealing dirt?

  219. Boxlock20
    Posted July 15, 2009 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Jim,
    What is so interesting about this world, and the justice it by nature meters out, is that every morning when BlueJay gets up he is still the same miserable scum he was when he went to bed.
    Just living with himself is justice.

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