Open thread 7/11

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  1. JWink
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Looks like the weather here in Wichita for the coming week are going to reach about 100 degrees with no sign of rain in the forecast.

    The weather folks on a Wichita TV channel just said Medicine Lodge had a temperature of 111 degrees yesterday. Medicine Lodge is a great ranching community located some 30 miles south of Pratt in the beautiful Gyp Hills and along the Medicine River valley.

    So which would you rather have, blistering hot heat or pounding hail the size of golf balls or tornadic winds … or all three?

  2. JWink
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    First sentence above should have said “is,” not “are.” Failed to proof read. Sorry.

  3. American_Way
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    Don’t worry about the weather. Obama has ordered that the world temperature drop 3 degrees.

    So let it be written.
    So let it be done.

    BTW, anyone else notice Obama in his speeches to the world audience uses the world “I did this”, “I am trying to do”, “I will do”?

    No longer does he represent his administration, his political party, or the American government.

    There is no “we are trying”…….

    It’s all about Barack.

  4. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    On this date, Jul 11th, record setting tempertures for Wichita Kansas

    High: 111 °F (1980)
    Low: 55 °F (1905)

  5. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    The Bankrupt Party of Porkulus

    Michelle Malkin

    Let there be no doubt: Democrats are the party with two ideas: borrow and spend. Call it Spawn of Spendulus. Return of the Porkulus Beast. Crap Sandwich Redux. Porkulus One was a massive payoff to special interests and political constituencies (and dead people!) disguised as a job generator.

    School and transportation bureaucrats are using the money to preserve their own jobs instead of “stimulating” others. “The administration has essentially ‘rigged the game’ of reporting the tangible effects of its stimulus program by creating an immeasurable metric — ‘jobs created or saved’ — that no one can disprove.”

    Sen. Tom Coburn exposed 100 smelly stimulus projects worth $5.5 billion, including $3.4 million for a wildlife “eco-passage” in Florida to take animals safely under a busy roadway; nearly $10 million to renovate an unused train station; and a $2 million “weatherization” contract awarded to a Nevada nonprofit recently fired for doing the same type of work.

    The friends and patrons of Obama may be making out like bandits. But for everyone else, the Democrats’ ideological bankruptcy comes at a nauseatingly steep price.

  6. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    “For the stimulus alone, Washington borrowed nearly $10,000 from every American household,” Cantor said. “Let me ask you: Do you feel $10,000 richer today?” USA Today

  7. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    I’m not sure, but I think this is a photo of “okobserver” –

    http://dlisted.com/files/caption0709_1.jpg

  8. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    once again, mh demonstrates an incredible lack of taste, class and/or maturity.

    what are you, 12 years old?

  9. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    What’s with the personal attacks on okobserver MonkeyHawk?

    Proving my point about Libs?

  10. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Reg…the libs are obviously “above the rules” that they agreed to. Under policy regs, it clearly states that registering means that the poster abides by the rules of this blog, rules that include:

    These rules are only a minimum; in addition to complying with these rules, we ask that you also exercise common sense and generally be considerate toward your fellow users.

    How considerate are most of the posts here? Of course…anytime I point out violations of the policy, the typical lib response is “nanner nanner, they did it too” and I suppose it is accompanied by sticking out tongues while they type, or other similarly childish behavior.

  11. george
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    The only news on the lib WE is about Obama and his trip. Regular posted an article how the dems are ripping us off with their pet stimulus projects. When will the lib news media wise up that tax and spend will ruin us all? The Malkin article

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/07112009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/dems_itching_to_dig_debt_deeper_178637.htm

  12. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    “Raptor” whines –

    “…anytime I point out violations of the policy…”

    I’m sure I must be one of the more heinous violators of policy. In your mind, anyway.

    Care to list some of my sins against WE Blog?

  13. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    sure…how ‘considerate toward your fellow users’ was posting that picture and claiming it was someone? Do you define that as ‘considerate’?

    or will you at least admit it was an extremely juvenile joke done in poor taste?

  14. BlueJay
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Minister to your own there raptor.

    The other day, I saw one of yours call my son a b@astard and my mother a “senile old lady”. I didn’t cry about it. I didn’t see you say a thing about it either.

  15. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    “Raptor” –

    First off, I didn’t post a picture; I posted a link.

    Secondly, I didn’t claim is was anyone I know. I was pretty explicit and saying I didn’t know.

    Third: How was that inconsiderate toward you?

    And finally, have you reported my violation to WE Blog?

  16. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Raptor,

    What is your opinion of Regular’s posts, such as these?

    ———–
    “I have no idea why cosmos has such a ‘hard on’ for the Sierra Club. Maybe he’s a local president of them, I don’t know. But he’s definetely in butt lust with them.”

    “Yet more of cosmos denials and lies and his incessant lustful butt thrusting about the Sierra Club.”
    ———-

    And don’t forget that Regular claims that he represents “Kansas values”.

  17. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Conservative pundit David Brooks last night –

    ” I sat next to a Republican senator once at dinner and he had his hand on my inner thigh the whole time. “

    I’m thinking it was Brownback.

  18. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    More of the same name calling and I’m a victim rhetoric from the usual at the following posts:

    BlueJay – 9:36 a.m.
    MonkeyHawk – 9:44 a.m.
    cosmos – 9:48 a.m.

  19. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    “Regular” accuses –

    “More of the same name calling and I’m a victim rhetoric from the usual at the following posts:

    [snip]

    MonkeyHawk – 9:44 a.m.”

    You might want to clarify that for us.

  20. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,
    re: 9:56 a.m. post

    You are spinning once again and you want me to defend your spins?

    I don’t think so…

  21. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    No, “Regular” –

    I frankly don’t want you on my side of any argument.

    I want you to explain your accusation against me.

    Capisce?

  22. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    #
    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    No, “Regular” –

    I frankly don’t want you on my side of any argument.

    I want you to explain your accusation against me.

    Capisce?
    ——————–
    As I said, I don’t defend spin

    Verstehen Sie mich?

  23. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Nor, “Regular” –

    Can you defend what you posted at 9:52, can you?

  24. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Regular can’t defend his personal attacks. . . and he just wants more soup.

  25. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    just as I predicted….”THEY DID IT FIRST” mentality. predictable juvenile response….

    and no, mh, unlike your proven juvenile attitude, I do not “tattle tale” like I was back in 3rd grade. My post was a simple reminder that the expectation on this blog is for people to act like adults.

    obviously, that expectation is lost on you, bj and cosmos. your interests are obviously more in the personal attack vein than a rational, adult exchange of ideas.

  26. Political_mama
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Yo dems, we have some serious work to do to derail Brownback from the governorship.

    Lets start planning now.

    Is there anyone in the democratic field running against Brownback?

  27. writerdog
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    I have to admit it, Liberals have boring sexual affairs! A conservative has his affair in a steamy Latin country and a Liberal has his under the desk in the white house.

    A conservative’s affair involves pay-offs, a secret Christian cult, several other Senators and Congressmen as advisors and co-conspirators. A Liberal involves a stain on a blue dress and impeachment for lying to a legal hearing.

    A conservative goes before the media and confesses every detail, a Liberal goes before the media and denies having sex with a woman in the crowd. I guess that means that the conservative has an affair worth talking about and the Liberal thought the affair was so boring it was not worth mentioning!

  28. Politico
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    It is better to ignore juvenile behavior. You only fire them up for more of their immature behavior when you give them attention they do not deserve.

  29. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    “Political_mama” –

    Just to be clear:

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a candidate for the office of Governor of the great State of Kansas.

  30. cosmos_originally
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Raptor posted July 11, 2009 at 10:59 am

    My post was a simple reminder that the expectation on this blog is for people to act like adults.

    obviously, that expectation is lost on you, bj and cosmos. your interests are obviously more in the personal attack vein than a rational, adult exchange of ideas.
    —————————

    Raptor,

    Are you saying that I’m making a personal attack, by pointing out that Regular made personal attacks?

    I’ve asked Regular, in a “rational, adult exchange of ideas”, to produce the Congressional and Justice Dept links that he insisted proved that the Sierra Club “screwed” the New Orleans levees.

    In response, instead of posting links or admitting the links did not exist, Regular made posts like:
    —————

    “I have no idea why cosmos has such a ‘hard on’ for the Sierra Club. Maybe he’s a local president of them, I don’t know. But he’s definetely in butt lust with them.”

    “Yet more of cosmos denials and lies and his incessant lustful butt thrusting about the Sierra Club.”

  31. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Even worse, “comos_originally” –

    I think those lines were plagiarized from Lynn Cheney’s trashy novels.

    I’m amazed “Regular” still has a usable copy; one without all the pages stuck together.

  32. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Yet another obsessive compulsive attack from cosmos at 11:22 a.m. cosmos is playing the victim now.

    The Lib way.

    Persecutor
    Accuser
    Victim

    The vicious triangle of paranoid schizophrenics. The Libs are quite good at playing mentally ill games of divisive commentary.

    Too bad that commentary is meaningless and only paints a picture of sad, lonely people without purpose.

  33. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Yet another personal attack from MonkeyHock at 11:24 a.m.

  34. BlueJay
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    “My post was a simple reminder that the expectation on this blog …”

    Well here is what you can expect of me.

    I don’t like Republicans. I don’t see them as fellow Americans who simply have a different point of view.

    To me, they are enemies of me, my family, my country and the planet. And I will spare them no quarter just as I have come to get none from them.

  35. YellowdogLiberal
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Well played, Blue Jay.

    Dennis

  36. Political_mama
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I am there too, at least with the staunch conservatives. They are no friend of the US.

  37. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    “Regular”

    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    “Yet another personal attack from MonkeyHock at 11:24 a.m.”

    Yet another whine from “Regular,” complete with name-calling.

    You seem to be in a touchy mood today.

  38. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    It’s just a phonetic pronunciation of your name MonkeyHock.

    You seem to be in a touchy mood today.

  39. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Nothing more helpful than “phonetic pronunciations” in a text-based forum, “Regular.”

    Thanks for your valuable contribution.

  40. Posted July 11, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    I’m not sure, but I think this is a photo of “okobserver” –
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Get out of my head!

    Have you been perusing FARK?

  41. Regular
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Nothing more helpful than “phonetic pronunciations” in a text-based forum, “Regular.”
    =================
    It’s very helpful if you use a text to speech converter’ to keep up with what has been written.

  42. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    at least bj admits his closed mindedness for a change. Free speech? Nope..not allowed. Difference of opinion? Of course not..it is bj’s way or nothing.

    leaves out the possibility that bj just might LEARN something someday. That is impossible with a permanently closed mind.

    Yep…about as mature as expected.

  43. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    mh backtracks quite quickly…

    “First off, I didn’t post a picture; I posted a link.

    Secondly, I didn’t claim is was anyone I know. I was pretty explicit and saying I didn’t know.”

    if you are so innocent, why did you post it in the first place? You are making no sense.

  44. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    “Raptor” reacts (not so quickly)

    “if you are so innocent, why did you post it in the first place?”

    Uhm…

    Because it was innocent?

    It was early in the morning.

    WE Blog traffic was slow.

    It’s a link to a funny picture.

    Most Sunday mornings I link to a classic Warner Brothers cartoon, a rare or interesting music video, etc.

    No one’s ever complained before.

    But CONs seem to be particularly whiny today.

  45. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    so now you are lying, mh. your initial post said quite clearly:

    I’m not sure, but I think this is a photo of “okobserver” –

    repeating for your slow comprehension: I THINK THIS IS A PHOTO OF OKOBSERVER. the qualifier in front, “I’m not sure” is not enough to deny your clear insult.

    little hard to backtrack on that. you said a few minutes ago:

    “Secondly, I didn’t claim is was anyone I know”

    which story is it? You say at one point “I THINK THIS IS A PHOTO OF OKOBSERVER” then try to placate with “I didn’t claim it was anyone I know”.

    liar.

  46. ANTI
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    BlueJay
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink
    ”””””””
    Political_mama
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink
    ==================================

    Well if you feel that way, I suggest buying some camo and staying out of open spaces.

    LOOK OUT MAN!!!!!

    Nut Jobs.

  47. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Funny, “Raptor” –

    You’ve picked a pretty odd post to obsess on.

    And no one of you CONs has responded to that post to correct me.

    That’s not like you CONs when you’re convinced you’re right. (Extreme right, mind you. But wrong.)

    Nope.

    Not even “okobserver” herself has assured me the linked photo isn’t a snapshot from her scrapbook.

    If you’re scroll through the Moose-Dresser thread today, you’ll note I’m perfectly willing to accept chastisement from CONs. (I confused Caribou Barbie’s official resignation speech with her hip-wader interviews. I admitted as much and apologized for it.)

    But no one has challenged my — “I’m not sure, but I think…” post on the facts of the matter.

    Not even that old lady in the wheelchair with that bong and that 2-gallon jug of wine in that photo.

    It might be a case of mistaken identity.

  48. ANTI
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Not even that old lady in the wheelchair with that bong and that 2-gallon jug of wine in that photo.
    =====================================

    Wait a minute….Did you find my long lost mother?

    She escaped the ‘farm’ about 25 years ago…..

    Maybe I need to scroll up.

    ;-)

  49. ANTI
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Ah Christ, that’s her….

    Dammit, now I gotta load up the nets and track her down….

  50. ANTI
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    I gotta go…

  51. Raptor
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    ahhh…ok your royal highness. I will ask your formal permission on which post to “obsess” or comment about..ok? Will that meet with your judgmental approval?

    So…since Okobserver hasn’t been online to deny that picture, you take that as “proof” that it is accurate. That is pretty weak.

    Obviously, you feel entitled to insult someone. When challenged, you change your tune, and then deny you wrote what you cleary did initially write.

    your tactics are despicable, your lies are childish, and your entire ‘reasoning’ is ridiculous.

    your gratuitous insults are inventive, I will give you that. But totally unnecessary and quite immature.

  52. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Uhm, “Raptor” –

    “okobserver” has contributed a lot of posts today.

    You’re wrong again.

    And again.

    And again….

  53. Posted July 11, 2009 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    tactics are despicable, lies are childish, ‘reasoning’ is ridiculous, gratuitous insults, quite immature.

    Welcome to WEBLOG!!!

  54. BlueJay
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Why don’t you say something someone like me would want to hear raptor?

    Tell us how the con policies of the last 25 years have actually been GOOD for America and I just can’t see it.

  55. fleettwood
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure, but I think this is a photo of “okobserver” –
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Get out of my head!

    Have you been perusing FARK?
    _________________________________________

    It was damn funny. It was on FARK.
    Lighten up. There’s a thousand things to jump monkey about, this ain’t it.

  56. Phantom
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama said Saturday more time was needed for his $787 billion stimulus package to work, predicting the spending would have a bigger impact on the economy later this year.

    In an advanced text of his weekly radio speech, Obama said the stimulus plan approved by Congress and signed into law in mid-February “was not designed to work in four months — it was designed to work over two years.”

    U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said it was too soon to decide whether the U.S. economy needed the help of a second-round of government stimulus to recover from recession.

    “I don’t think that’s a judgment we need to make now, can’t really make it now prudently, responsibly,” he said in a taped interview with CNN that will air Sunday.

    According to a transcript provided by CNN, Geithner said the “biggest thrust” of the stimulus package signed into law earlier this year would take effect in the second half of the year

  57. Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    “fleettwood” profers –

    “Lighten up. There’s a thousand things to jump monkey about, this ain’t it.”

    And that shows the CONs’ biggest problem these days.

    They can’t pick their battles.

    Everyone on the planet knows Sonia Sotomayor has the votes to secure confirmation to the SCOTUS.

    But some CONs are posturing against her in hopes of getting a sound-bite on Bill-O the Clown’s show.

    And hell. There really are some factions of the progressive coalition who are SOCIALISTS!!!! But you don’t shoot that particular wad against a moderate like Judge Sotomayor without losing all credibility.

    CONs look at President Obama’s slightly eroding polls and automatically assume all those people are rushing to the Wing-Nut Altar Call. When in fact, a lot of the diffidence toward the President comes from those who think him too moderate.

    If your average WE Blog CON were running the Titanic they’d be ordering, “MORE WATER!!”

    It’s really fun to watch.

    Keep it up, guys.

    Carnivals don’t have freak shows anymore. You’re the best we’ve got.

  58. Maggotpunk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Tiahrt is working overtime to be a national joke. Now he wants to pass a bill to repeal the stimulus.

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/jul/09/tiahrts-plan-repeal-federal-stimulus-would-leave-s/

    He knows it will fail but he’s one of those guys who the Republicans like to say makes political theater. He pretends to be a fiscal conservative yet brags about the pork he brings to Kansas. Not surprising he never seemed to sponsor any bills prohibiting excessive spending when the Republicans were in the majority.

  59. fleettwood
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Told ya

  60. fleettwood
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    But you don’t shoot that particular wad against a moderate like Judge Sotomayor
    ___________________________________

    Moderate. Like O’Bama.

    I am sure a wise white man would make much better decisions than any minority.

  61. American_Way
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    PSALM 2009

    Obama is the shepherd I did not want.
    He leadeth me beside the still factories.
    He restoreth my faith in the Republican party.
    He guideth me in the path of unemployment for his party’s sake.
    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the bread line,
    I shall fear no hunger for his bailouts are with me.
    He has anointed my income with taxes,
    My expenses runneth over.
    Surely, poverty and hard living will follow me all the days of my life,
    And I will live in a mortgaged home forever.
    I am glad I am American,
    I am glad that I am free.
    But I wish I was a dog ..
    And Obama was a tree

  62. American_Way
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    The stock market’s reaction on Thursday said it all — with the major indexes plunging 2.4% to 2.9% on the news of a continued job hemorrhage. Despite some economic green shoots here and there, no one’s sure when jobs will start growing again.

    At this point in a normal downturn lasting 11 months, the economy should be booming — with big jumps in GDP and 300,000 new jobs each month coming mostly from the private sector.

    But 18 months into this downturn, we’re still losing jobs — with 2.7 million gone in the private sector just since January, when the Democrats took full control of the government.

    Shrinking GDP has crushed investment. First quarter gross private domestic investment — a proxy for business investment — plunged 20%, or nearly $450 billion, annually. The outlook is grim.

    Worse, the June jobs data mark a milestone of sorts: Our unemployment rate equals that of the no-growth Eurozone nations.

    Why is this job decline happening? The private sector — the real engine of economic and job growth — won’t hire because it’s scared of what it sees coming out of Washington.

    On the horizon, as far as the eye can see, are higher taxes, uncontrolled spending and layers upon layers of new regulations.

    Who would hire new workers faced with that?

    Also, the federal government is meddling in the private sector as never before — in essence, nationalizing two of the three major carmakers with $200 billion in subsidies and capital infusions, turning our banking system into a fourth branch of government through the $700 billion TARP program, spending $200 billion to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and put them back in the business of lending to people who can’t pay their loans — which is how we got into trouble in the first place.

    And that’s only what’s been done in the last half year or so. What really scares private businesses is what’s in the pipeline.

    • Health insurance reform: Estimates for reforming our medical care range from $1 trillion to $3.6 trillion, with much of the bill footed by businesses. All to take care of 46 million uninsured.

    But 10 million of those aren’t citizens. And according to former CBO chief June O’Neill, 43% of the total could afford to buy coverage but don’t. So the problem is much smaller than people think.

    As for current plans to take over our health care system, they’ll barely help. According to Congress’ own think tank, spending $1 trillion will only remove 16 million from the 46 million uninsured.

    • Cap and trade: A major reshaping of our nation’s energy policy will include massive new taxes, mostly on businesses, and cause our economy to crater. Most depressingly, despite taxing businesses and consumers to the hilt, the Waxman-Markey climate stabilization act will not remove one ounce of carbon from our atmosphere over the next decade.

    It’s nothing but a huge scam that will bankrupt any business that relies heavily on energy, boosting fuel prices by 22 cents a gallon and socking the average family with an $1,800 a year tax hike.

    As Robert Zubrin of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies wrote last week, “(Waxman-Markey) proposes a massive and highly regressive tax on the U.S. economy, and could potentially cause not only extensive business failures, unemployment and privation within our own borders, but starvation among poorer populations elsewhere.”

    • Stimulus II: As if the first $787 billion tranche of “stimulus” wasn’t enough, some in the Democratic Party are suggesting a second stimulus bill. Are they joking? The first stimulus has failed spectacularly. Personal incomes rose briefly after “stimulus” checks were handed out, but have since resumed their decline.

    Meanwhile, hundreds of billions of dollars went to strapped state governments. But according to the National Governors’ Association, states are still expected to show $183 billion in red ink in the next two years. Stimulus clearly hasn’t worked. Why try another?

    Taken together, all these new programs would mean sky-high new taxes, more regulations and the biggest expansion of government since FDR’s New Deal.

    That’s not a good thing. Unemployment during the New Deal averaged 17%, and government meddling turned what should have been a garden-variety downturn into a 27% collapse in GDP — the Great Depression.

    Washington seems desperate to duplicate that failure.

    For some time we’ve heard we need to have “hope” for “change” to come. But hope is fast disappearing, and polls show that Americans reject the change the government has in mind for medical insurance and energy. The grand experiment of government control is failing, and people want their economy back.

    As for more jobs, it may be a while. Shortly before the new administration opened for business in January, Americans were told by the incoming administration’s advisers that without the stimulus, unemployment — then at 7.2% — would peak at 9% in 2010. If the stimulus was passed, they added, the peak would be 8%.

    Well, it passed — and today unemployment is 9.5% and likely to go higher. A question arises: Given the obvious failure of the stimulus to stimulate anything, why not dismantle the whole thing?

    This isn’t so crazy. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the current stimulus plans will blow a $9.3 trillion hole in the nation’s budget by 2019. That will boost taxes on us and our children for decades to come.

    Won’t it also boost the economy? Guess again. “The projection for nominal GDP has decreased (since the end of 2008) by more than $7 trillion, or 3.9%, over (10 years),” says the CBO.

    In other words, all this spending and taxing will crater the economy — and the estimate doesn’t include the spending planned for medical insurance reform and cap and trade.

    Nor does it include the dizzying array of new taxes the White House and Congress are considering. They range from a European-style value-added tax, which helped turn the EU into a stagnant mess with virtually no job creation, to new taxes on health care, energy, incomes and a slew of other things.

    In the coming weeks, we will tell you how we got into this mess — hint: Government played a key role — and how we can get out of it. It will take huge cuts in spending, a willingness to let bad businesses go bust, and broad tax cuts to get our economy moving again.

    This, by the way, worked in the 1920s, it worked in the 1960s, it worked in the 1980s. It even worked after 9/11, and it’ll work again.

    America needs jobs, but its businesses can’t create them as long as they remain under the thumb of a high-taxing, runaway-spending, overregulating, entrepreneur-smothering Big Government. IBD

  63. BlueJay
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    “Jobs” are one man or men taking the labor and talent of another to make money. America has plenty of work and it is time for the public works projects and forward thinking citizens to do it. To he!! with “jobs”.

  64. American_Way
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    “Is being an idiot like being high all the time?”

  65. Phantom
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    This is big!
    “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The CIA withheld information about a secret counter-terrorism program from Congress for eight years on orders from former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, the New York Times said on Saturday.

    Citing two unidentified sources, the newspaper said Central Intelligence Agency Director Leon Panetta disclosed Cheney’s involvement in closed briefings to congressional intelligence committees late last month.”
    Of course it’d been Cheney, he had his own empire 2000-2008.

  66. Phantom
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    2001-2008

  67. fleettwood
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    To he!! with “jobs”.
    _________________________

    Typical LibTalk. http://www.checkinthemailboxfordoingnothing.com

  68. Phantom
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Since Cheney broke the law, should he be prosecuted?
    “U.S. law requires the president to make sure intelligence committees are kept fully informed of intelligence activities, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity.

    But the government has some leeway in disclosing such information”

  69. Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 8:44 am | Permalink
    I’m not sure, but I think this is a photo of “okobserver” –

    http://dlisted.com/files/caption0709_1.jpg
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    OK — Reality Check bozos… WHERE EXACTLY does Monkey define this as a true photo of okobserver????

    TRUTH: He doesnt!!! What a whole bunch of useless, mindless, lying drivel…. Raptor, are you related to the “bit*hy woman” or something??? You seem to have too much stake in this…. LOL

  70. Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    G’night All!!

  71. outlander
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    #
    BlueJay
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    “Jobs” are one man or men taking the labor and talent of another to make money. America has plenty of work and it is time for the public works projects and forward thinking citizens to do it. To he!! with “jobs”.

    ————
    So BlueJay, government jobs aren’t real jobs? You think that government employees aren’t told what to do by a boss and be evaluated on what they do?

    Time for a reality check.

  72. Posted July 11, 2009 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    #
    fleettwood
    Posted July 11, 2009 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure, but I think this is a photo of “okobserver” –
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Get out of my head!

    Have you been perusing FARK?
    _________________________________________

    It was damn funny. It was on FARK.
    Lighten up. There’s a thousand things to jump monkey about, this ain’t it.
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    What is it about my post that gave you the impression that I was ‘jumping’ Monkeyhawk? That certainly wasn’t my intent.

    “Get out of my head!” was my way of saying that I’d had the same thought about the subject of the photo when I saw it on FARK.

    Degenerate Great minds think alike and all that…

  73. JimJohnson
    Posted July 12, 2009 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    How’s that Iraq withdrawal working out for Obama?

    Not much American Press on the DAILY IRAQ BODY COUNTS FOR SOME REASON

    http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/003200907120941.htm

    Iraq-bombings kill 10
    Baghdad (AP): A car bomb exploded in an alley in a village in northern Iraq, killing at least four people, wounding others and destroying eight homes, police said. Another six people died in bombings in Baghdad.

  74. JimJohnson
    Posted July 12, 2009 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    RIGHT! Just Trust Me!

    Be Patient Jack @ss, Be Patient!

    President Urges Public Patience on Economy

    Faced with an economic downturn that has proved deeper than the White House initially projected, Mr. Obama asked Americans on Saturday to remain patient, arguing that his $787 billion stimulus plan had saved the economy from collapse and put it on a gradual course to recovery.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12obama.html?hp