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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-615188</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For someone who can supposedly fly above all of us, my &#039;hot sun melts ice&#039; posts went WAY over Monkey&#039;s head.

But then, this entire topic went WAY over Monkey&#039;s head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone who can supposedly fly above all of us, my &#8216;hot sun melts ice&#8217; posts went WAY over Monkey&#8217;s head.</p>
<p>But then, this entire topic went WAY over Monkey&#8217;s head.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-615185</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American posted July 4, 2009 at 11:46 am

Why have the other planets in this solar system followed the same temperature trending the that earth has?
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American posted July 4, 2009 at 11:46 am</p>
<p>Why have the other planets in this solar system followed the same temperature trending the that earth has?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614957</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkeyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;JimJohnson&quot; goes full loony with --

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...since you are a Monkey, just how do you stand that summer heat, with all that fur and all?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I dunno.

Maybe I spread my wings and soar above all the rest of you.

What a silly comment from you, &quot;JimJohnson.&quot;

I suspect it was intended as an insult of some sort but, for the life of me, I can&#039;t figure out what I&#039;m supposed to be offended by.

See, that&#039;s a recurring problem when dealing with you CONs on WE Blog.  You simply don&#039;t get it and your don&#039;t get it that you don&#039;t get it and you parrot Fux News Channel talking points without a clue about what you&#039;re talking about and you end up with debating points like, &lt;i&gt;&quot;nitwit,&quot;&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;&quot;MonkeyHock,&quot;&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;&quot;Michelle Obama&#039;s got a big ass,&quot;&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;&quot;...since you are a Monkey....&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Keep it up, CONs.

Don&#039;t change a thing you&#039;re doing!

Take over the Repubic Party and make them do your bidding!

I&#039;m sorry for my schadenfreude, but your self-destruction is just too much fun to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;JimJohnson&#8221; goes full loony with &#8211;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;since you are a Monkey, just how do you stand that summer heat, with all that fur and all?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Oh, I dunno.</p>
<p>Maybe I spread my wings and soar above all the rest of you.</p>
<p>What a silly comment from you, &#8220;JimJohnson.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect it was intended as an insult of some sort but, for the life of me, I can&#8217;t figure out what I&#8217;m supposed to be offended by.</p>
<p>See, that&#8217;s a recurring problem when dealing with you CONs on WE Blog.  You simply don&#8217;t get it and your don&#8217;t get it that you don&#8217;t get it and you parrot Fux News Channel talking points without a clue about what you&#8217;re talking about and you end up with debating points like, <i>&#8220;nitwit,&#8221;</i> or <i>&#8220;MonkeyHock,&#8221;</i> or <i>&#8220;Michelle Obama&#8217;s got a big ass,&#8221;</i> or <i>&#8220;&#8230;since you are a Monkey&#8230;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Keep it up, CONs.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t change a thing you&#8217;re doing!</p>
<p>Take over the Repubic Party and make them do your bidding!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for my schadenfreude, but your self-destruction is just too much fun to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614946</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no Monkey, I wouldn&#039;t put polar bears in iced tea.  I hate tea.  Ice water, yes, but not tea.

And btw, since you are a Monkey, just how do you stand that summer heat, with all that fur and all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no Monkey, I wouldn&#8217;t put polar bears in iced tea.  I hate tea.  Ice water, yes, but not tea.</p>
<p>And btw, since you are a Monkey, just how do you stand that summer heat, with all that fur and all?</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614939</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkeyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;JimJohnson&quot; contributes --

&lt;i&gt;&quot;... when there are icicles forming on the downspout on a sunny day, and the snow actually melts on the roof, even though it’s below freezing, the sun is just so hot.

But then, the water refreezes and makes a lil icicle.

These are cool.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That post might qualify you as one of the brighter 10-year-olds on the Internet.

Congratulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;JimJohnson&#8221; contributes &#8211;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230; when there are icicles forming on the downspout on a sunny day, and the snow actually melts on the roof, even though it’s below freezing, the sun is just so hot.</p>
<p>But then, the water refreezes and makes a lil icicle.</p>
<p>These are cool.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That post might qualify you as one of the brighter 10-year-olds on the Internet.</p>
<p>Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeyhawk</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614926</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkeyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You normally put polar bears in your iced tea, &quot;JimJohnson?&quot; --

Tiny polar bears?  

Or is it a really big glass of iced tea?

Here in the reality-based community, a bit of sugar and/or a slice of lemon usually suffices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You normally put polar bears in your iced tea, &#8220;JimJohnson?&#8221; &#8211;</p>
<p>Tiny polar bears?  </p>
<p>Or is it a really big glass of iced tea?</p>
<p>Here in the reality-based community, a bit of sugar and/or a slice of lemon usually suffices.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614923</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in winter, the sun is still sometimes hot.

Not always, but like when there are icicles forming on the downspout on a sunny day, and the snow actually melts on the roof, even though it&#039;s below freezing, the sun is just so hot.

But then, the water refreezes and makes a lil icicle.

These are cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in winter, the sun is still sometimes hot.</p>
<p>Not always, but like when there are icicles forming on the downspout on a sunny day, and the snow actually melts on the roof, even though it&#8217;s below freezing, the sun is just so hot.</p>
<p>But then, the water refreezes and makes a lil icicle.</p>
<p>These are cool.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614913</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put some ice cubes in a glass of water, and set the glass on the picnic table in the sun one time.

You&#039;ll never guess what happened.

In no time at all, that ice just melted!  I mean, it was like the polar ice caps melting, except there were no polar bears drowning.

It was quite amazing to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put some ice cubes in a glass of water, and set the glass on the picnic table in the sun one time.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll never guess what happened.</p>
<p>In no time at all, that ice just melted!  I mean, it was like the polar ice caps melting, except there were no polar bears drowning.</p>
<p>It was quite amazing to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614903</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the day time,

you can just hold your hands out toward the sun and even FEEL how HOT it is!

Really, you have to try this some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the day time,</p>
<p>you can just hold your hands out toward the sun and even FEEL how HOT it is!</p>
<p>Really, you have to try this some time.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614892</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, the Sun certainly seems hot.

It&#039;s really frickin bright too.  Hard to look at it.

It&#039;s like 10,000 atomoic bombs are going off every second.  I&#039;m sure that must produce a sihtload of heat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, the Sun certainly seems hot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really frickin bright too.  Hard to look at it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like 10,000 atomoic bombs are going off every second.  I&#8217;m sure that must produce a sihtload of heat.</p>
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		<title>By: JimJohnson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614884</link>
		<dc:creator>JimJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you suppose, maybe the Sun is causing all that heat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you suppose, maybe the Sun is causing all that heat?</p>
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		<title>By: American</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614869</link>
		<dc:creator>American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cosmos, old chum,

Why have the other planets in this solar system followed the same temperature trending the that earth has?

Man made global warming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cosmos, old chum,</p>
<p>Why have the other planets in this solar system followed the same temperature trending the that earth has?</p>
<p>Man made global warming?</p>
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		<title>By: American</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614866</link>
		<dc:creator>American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Morning Wichita Eagle and WE bloggers!

So long I have been gone!

Cap and trade should be more accurately called &quot;cap and tax&quot;!

A severely drastic and unwarranted attack by environmental wackos, AKA, left wing extremist radicals.

Speak up conservatives against this statist approach to ruin Freedom and America.

Democrats and Republicans - you are being called out.

Greenies - what is your reply???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning Wichita Eagle and WE bloggers!</p>
<p>So long I have been gone!</p>
<p>Cap and trade should be more accurately called &#8220;cap and tax&#8221;!</p>
<p>A severely drastic and unwarranted attack by environmental wackos, AKA, left wing extremist radicals.</p>
<p>Speak up conservatives against this statist approach to ruin Freedom and America.</p>
<p>Democrats and Republicans &#8211; you are being called out.</p>
<p>Greenies &#8211; what is your reply???</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614358</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 11:53 am

Since solar cycles have heated/cooled our planet since it’s birth…why would the natural implication be to &lt;b&gt;ignore solar cycles&lt;/b&gt; “since the mid-1970’s” and assume they don’t play a factor in recent history…as well as the future?
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DFB,

Solar activity has &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; been &quot;ignored&quot; since the mid-1970&#039;s.

Solar activity was examined, and it did not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.

Solar activity in the future, which cannot be predicted, will also not be &quot;ignored&quot; -- it will be a climate factor, along with other factors such as GHG&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 11:53 am</p>
<p>Since solar cycles have heated/cooled our planet since it’s birth…why would the natural implication be to <b>ignore solar cycles</b> “since the mid-1970’s” and assume they don’t play a factor in recent history…as well as the future?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>DFB,</p>
<p>Solar activity has <b>not</b> been &#8220;ignored&#8221; since the mid-1970&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Solar activity was examined, and it did not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.</p>
<p>Solar activity in the future, which cannot be predicted, will also not be &#8220;ignored&#8221; &#8212; it will be a climate factor, along with other factors such as GHG&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: DFB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614335</link>
		<dc:creator>DFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cos - so, since you&#039;re basing your entire theory on &quot;since the mid-1970&#039;s&quot;, why did &quot;scientists&quot; come up with such silly terms as &quot;solar cycles&quot;?  Since solar cycles have heated/cooled our planet since it&#039;s birth...why would the natural implication be to ignore solar cycles &quot;since the mid-1970&#039;s&quot; and assume they don&#039;t play a factor in recent history...as well as the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cos &#8211; so, since you&#8217;re basing your entire theory on &#8220;since the mid-1970&#8217;s&#8221;, why did &#8220;scientists&#8221; come up with such silly terms as &#8220;solar cycles&#8221;?  Since solar cycles have heated/cooled our planet since it&#8217;s birth&#8230;why would the natural implication be to ignore solar cycles &#8220;since the mid-1970&#8217;s&#8221; and assume they don&#8217;t play a factor in recent history&#8230;as well as the future?</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614322</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 10:54 am

Cos - do you even know what a “strawman” argument is?? You said: “The trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.” So…you’re saying the thing that creates 100% of our heat on this planet, the sun, means nothing…but your silly trace gas fairy tale is “logic”….but thanks again, for adding another snark in place of anything of substance. Just confirms how shallow your argument is.
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No DFB. . .

I said that the &lt;b&gt;trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s&lt;/b&gt;.

I did not say that solar activity &quot;means nothing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 10:54 am</p>
<p>Cos &#8211; do you even know what a “strawman” argument is?? You said: “The trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.” So…you’re saying the thing that creates 100% of our heat on this planet, the sun, means nothing…but your silly trace gas fairy tale is “logic”….but thanks again, for adding another snark in place of anything of substance. Just confirms how shallow your argument is.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>No DFB. . .</p>
<p>I said that the <b>trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s</b>.</p>
<p>I did not say that solar activity &#8220;means nothing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DFB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614318</link>
		<dc:creator>DFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cos - do you even know what a &quot;strawman&quot; argument is?? You said: &quot;The trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.&quot;  So...you&#039;re saying the thing that creates 100% of our heat on this planet, the sun, means nothing...but your silly trace gas fairy tale is &quot;logic&quot;....but thanks again, for adding another snark in place of anything of substance.  Just confirms how shallow your argument is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cos &#8211; do you even know what a &#8220;strawman&#8221; argument is?? You said: &#8220;The trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970’s.&#8221;  So&#8230;you&#8217;re saying the thing that creates 100% of our heat on this planet, the sun, means nothing&#8230;but your silly trace gas fairy tale is &#8220;logic&#8221;&#8230;.but thanks again, for adding another snark in place of anything of substance.  Just confirms how shallow your argument is.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614302</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 9:22 am

Sorry, but when people scoff at solar activity as a major factor in our planet’s ambient temperature, for example…it gets pretty tough to take anything else they say seriously.
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DFB&#039;s straw men make it impossible to take anything he/she says seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 9:22 am</p>
<p>Sorry, but when people scoff at solar activity as a major factor in our planet’s ambient temperature, for example…it gets pretty tough to take anything else they say seriously.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>DFB&#8217;s straw men make it impossible to take anything he/she says seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: DFB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614299</link>
		<dc:creator>DFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cos, from your own article:
&quot;Unfortunately, we didn&#039;t realize that these corrections would not continue to be readily available in the near-real-time data streams. The same stations are in the GHCN (Global Historical Climatology Network) data stream, however, and thus what our analysis picked up in subsequent years was station data without the NOAA correction. Obviously, combining the uncorrected GHCN with the NOAA-corrected records for earlier years caused jumps in 2000 in the records at those stations, some up, some down (over U.S. only).&quot;
Good thing a &quot;blogger&quot;, McInyre caught it...not Hansen..and not like this is the first time the processes used were shown to be shaky. Funny, how those honest errors...always result in reports that show things warmer/less ice than what the truth is...guess that stroke of fate&#039;s just always on the side of selling the IPCC&#039;s report.

Maybe it&#039;s just coinnkidink, that Dr. (I know, I know, &quot;Dr&quot; doesn&#039;t count less you&#039;re a believer) Edward Wegman, professor at the Center for Computational Statistics at Geo Mason Univ &amp; Chair of Natl Acad of Sciences&#039; Comm on Applied Theoretical Statistics punked their use of stat methodology saying &quot;The assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade in the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year in a millennium cannot be supported. The paucity of data in the more remote past makes the hottest-in-a-millennium claims essentially unverifiable.&quot; He went on to say, &quot;There is no evidence that Dr. Mann or any of the other authors in paleoclimate studies have had significant interactions with mainstream statisticians.&quot;
http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/others/07142006_Wegman_Report.pdf

Weird...a whole report done challenging the claims about the &#039;90s &amp; 1998 specifically...huh, if I didn&#039;t know better, I&#039;d think a myth was let fly..in hopes that when corrected later...the myth would live on....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cos, from your own article:<br />
&#8220;Unfortunately, we didn&#8217;t realize that these corrections would not continue to be readily available in the near-real-time data streams. The same stations are in the GHCN (Global Historical Climatology Network) data stream, however, and thus what our analysis picked up in subsequent years was station data without the NOAA correction. Obviously, combining the uncorrected GHCN with the NOAA-corrected records for earlier years caused jumps in 2000 in the records at those stations, some up, some down (over U.S. only).&#8221;<br />
Good thing a &#8220;blogger&#8221;, McInyre caught it&#8230;not Hansen..and not like this is the first time the processes used were shown to be shaky. Funny, how those honest errors&#8230;always result in reports that show things warmer/less ice than what the truth is&#8230;guess that stroke of fate&#8217;s just always on the side of selling the IPCC&#8217;s report.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just coinnkidink, that Dr. (I know, I know, &#8220;Dr&#8221; doesn&#8217;t count less you&#8217;re a believer) Edward Wegman, professor at the Center for Computational Statistics at Geo Mason Univ &amp; Chair of Natl Acad of Sciences&#8217; Comm on Applied Theoretical Statistics punked their use of stat methodology saying &#8220;The assessments that the decade of the 1990s was the hottest decade in the millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year in a millennium cannot be supported. The paucity of data in the more remote past makes the hottest-in-a-millennium claims essentially unverifiable.&#8221; He went on to say, &#8220;There is no evidence that Dr. Mann or any of the other authors in paleoclimate studies have had significant interactions with mainstream statisticians.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/others/07142006_Wegman_Report.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/others/07142006_Wegman_Report.pdf</a></p>
<p>Weird&#8230;a whole report done challenging the claims about the &#8217;90s &amp; 1998 specifically&#8230;huh, if I didn&#8217;t know better, I&#8217;d think a myth was let fly..in hopes that when corrected later&#8230;the myth would live on&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DFB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614297</link>
		<dc:creator>DFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara - as for all the &quot;“smart people” who have never taken a college level biology course and think you are more qualified than hundreds of practicing PHd’s:&quot;

Apparently those pesky &quot;PHD&#039;s&quot; behind the authors of the articles that deny AGW are meaningless, right? Nobody on this blog, well, except maybe Cosmos, is trying to portray themselves as scientists/climatologists.  It&#039;s nothing but a pizzing match between ideologically motivated &quot;scientific thinktanks&quot; from both sides. Neither argument is perfectly defendable. As for myself..I lean towards the argument that makes the most common sense and requires the least gyrations of anecdotal evidence, that&#039;s all...to be honest, your PH level issue is as logical as I&#039;ve seen presented. But does it not also concur with the fact that historical C02 levels have trailed temperature rises, as the ocean released C02, therefore once again, explaining &quot;warming&quot; and PH?
Sorry, but when people scoff at solar activity as a major factor in our planet&#039;s ambient temperature, for example...it gets pretty tough to take anything else they say seriously. C02 levels were much, much higher than they are today, when dinos roamed the earth, because they needed more vegetation &amp; more warmth to get as big as they did. Oceans have covered &amp; receded from Kansas for eons, creating the salt strata that stretches from NM to NE...the Great Lakes were formed by glaciers...all of this happening with no help/hindrance from humans. So infusing the AGW issue with massive quantities of politics...sets it up for nothing but an endless debate, if for no other reason than politics poison atmoshperes far more than C02 ever could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara &#8211; as for all the &#8220;“smart people” who have never taken a college level biology course and think you are more qualified than hundreds of practicing PHd’s:&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently those pesky &#8220;PHD&#8217;s&#8221; behind the authors of the articles that deny AGW are meaningless, right? Nobody on this blog, well, except maybe Cosmos, is trying to portray themselves as scientists/climatologists.  It&#8217;s nothing but a pizzing match between ideologically motivated &#8220;scientific thinktanks&#8221; from both sides. Neither argument is perfectly defendable. As for myself..I lean towards the argument that makes the most common sense and requires the least gyrations of anecdotal evidence, that&#8217;s all&#8230;to be honest, your PH level issue is as logical as I&#8217;ve seen presented. But does it not also concur with the fact that historical C02 levels have trailed temperature rises, as the ocean released C02, therefore once again, explaining &#8220;warming&#8221; and PH?<br />
Sorry, but when people scoff at solar activity as a major factor in our planet&#8217;s ambient temperature, for example&#8230;it gets pretty tough to take anything else they say seriously. C02 levels were much, much higher than they are today, when dinos roamed the earth, because they needed more vegetation &amp; more warmth to get as big as they did. Oceans have covered &amp; receded from Kansas for eons, creating the salt strata that stretches from NM to NE&#8230;the Great Lakes were formed by glaciers&#8230;all of this happening with no help/hindrance from humans. So infusing the AGW issue with massive quantities of politics&#8230;sets it up for nothing but an endless debate, if for no other reason than politics poison atmoshperes far more than C02 ever could.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614295</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 9:05 am

Let a falsehood fly, the more inflammatory the better, because once it’s found to be false, it doesn’t matter the myth is sexier than truth.  You guys still quote the 90’s as the “hottest decade on record!”..even though Hansen was forced to admit that the 30’s was actually the warmest decade this century…huh, which story lives on, the myth or truth?
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DFB, your endless lies and spin are tiresome and boring.


http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates/200708.html
&quot;Contrary to some statements flying around the internet, there is no effect on the rankings of global temperature. Also our prior analysis had 1934 as the warmest year &lt;b&gt;in the U.S.&lt;/b&gt; (see the 2001 paper above), and it continues to be the warmest year, both before and after the correction to post 2000 temperatures. However, as we note in that paper, the 1934 and 1998 temperature are practically the same, the difference being much smaller than the uncertainty.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DFB posted July 3, 2009 at 9:05 am</p>
<p>Let a falsehood fly, the more inflammatory the better, because once it’s found to be false, it doesn’t matter the myth is sexier than truth.  You guys still quote the 90’s as the “hottest decade on record!”..even though Hansen was forced to admit that the 30’s was actually the warmest decade this century…huh, which story lives on, the myth or truth?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>DFB, your endless lies and spin are tiresome and boring.</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates/200708.html" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates/200708.html</a><br />
&#8220;Contrary to some statements flying around the internet, there is no effect on the rankings of global temperature. Also our prior analysis had 1934 as the warmest year <b>in the U.S.</b> (see the 2001 paper above), and it continues to be the warmest year, both before and after the correction to post 2000 temperatures. However, as we note in that paper, the 1934 and 1998 temperature are practically the same, the difference being much smaller than the uncertainty.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DFB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614293</link>
		<dc:creator>DFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tara - don&#039;t know if you remember or not, but I&#039;d asked you about your thoughts on the ideas of purposely putting iron filings into the ocean to create algae blooms to soak up C02. Do you have any thoughts/opinions on that strategy relative to the PH/acidity issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara &#8211; don&#8217;t know if you remember or not, but I&#8217;d asked you about your thoughts on the ideas of purposely putting iron filings into the ocean to create algae blooms to soak up C02. Do you have any thoughts/opinions on that strategy relative to the PH/acidity issue?</p>
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		<title>By: DFB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cos writes: &quot;DFB,
Someone somewhere putting the previous months data into a column is not a “floating satellite screwup”.&quot;
____________
Uh...yeah...I know...I was referring to the arctic ice measurements they had to eat crow on because of some satelite issues earlier this year.
As for the &quot;warming since the &#039;70&#039;s&quot;...it&#039;s some of the same marketing strategy used by politicians.  Let a falsehood fly, the more inflammatory the better, because once it&#039;s found to be false, it doesn&#039;t matter the myth is sexier than truth.  You guys still quote the 90&#039;s as the &quot;hottest decade on record!&quot;..even though Hansen was forced to admit that the 30&#039;s was actually the warmest decade this century...huh, which story lives on, the myth or truth?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cos writes: &#8220;DFB,<br />
Someone somewhere putting the previous months data into a column is not a “floating satellite screwup”.&#8221;<br />
____________<br />
Uh&#8230;yeah&#8230;I know&#8230;I was referring to the arctic ice measurements they had to eat crow on because of some satelite issues earlier this year.<br />
As for the &#8220;warming since the &#8217;70&#8217;s&#8221;&#8230;it&#8217;s some of the same marketing strategy used by politicians.  Let a falsehood fly, the more inflammatory the better, because once it&#8217;s found to be false, it doesn&#8217;t matter the myth is sexier than truth.  You guys still quote the 90&#8217;s as the &#8220;hottest decade on record!&#8221;..even though Hansen was forced to admit that the 30&#8217;s was actually the warmest decade this century&#8230;huh, which story lives on, the myth or truth?<br />
<a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-world-has-never-seen-such-freezing-heat.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614269</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DFB,

Someone somewhere putting the previous months data into a column is not a &quot;floating satellite screwup&quot;.

Accurately measuring well-mixed atmospheric CO2 levels requires using remote sites, tall towers, a coastline with onshore winds, or similar procedures.

The trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DFB,</p>
<p>Someone somewhere putting the previous months data into a column is not a &#8220;floating satellite screwup&#8221;.</p>
<p>Accurately measuring well-mixed atmospheric CO2 levels requires using remote sites, tall towers, a coastline with onshore winds, or similar procedures.</p>
<p>The trends of solar and cosmic rays do not explain the warming observed since the mid-1970&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Wahine_Tara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/07/is-cap-and-trade-opposition-based-on-politics/#comment-614220</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahine_Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read a textbook on all of the science issues you want to discuss, seriously. 

Okay I am done being disgusted and angry now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read a textbook on all of the science issues you want to discuss, seriously. </p>
<p>Okay I am done being disgusted and angry now.</p>
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