House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took heat for claiming in May that the Central Intelligence Agency intentionally misled her about the interrogation techniques it was using. But CIA Director Leon Panetta told the House Intelligence Committee that the CIA concealed “significant actions” from Congress from 2001 until late last month, seven Democratic committee members said. And House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, charged in a letter this week that CIA officials “affirmatively lied” to his committee.
Registered?
Commenting on WE Blog now requires you to be a Kansas.com member. Use the links above to register, if you haven't already, or to log in.Contact us
Follow us
Daily Archives
-
Recent Comments
- Daniel on Pro-con: Have White House gripes boosted Fox?
- Daniel on Open thread 11/7
- Boxlock20 on Open thread 11/7
- Boxlock20 on Pro-con: Have White House gripes boosted Fox?
- Boxlock20 on Pro-con: Have White House gripes boosted Fox?
- Freebird1971 on Open thread 11/7
- Jed on Pro-con: Have White House gripes boosted Fox?
- Boxlock20 on Open thread 11/7
- Boxlock20 on Open thread 11/7
- Boxlock20 on Open thread 11/7
51 Comments
More breaking news: IT GETS HOT IN KANSAS IN THE SUMMER!
After Cheney visited the CIA and explained about job security and making the facts fit the policy its no wonder they are still covering their behinds.
Ode to Pelosi…
We, the few, sat in committee, listened to to the spew of the few.
You know we Politicians are always truthful, like those in car sales.
We never spout out distortions or give out twisted tales.
True, we’ve changed our story after it was reported.
But your portrayal of accounts was quite distorted.
I, Nancy Pelosi cannot ever believe what you say again.
You have created lies by omission of way back then.
Do me a favor CIA, and do not release that photograph
Of me in the San Diego zoo having my way with that male giraffe.
You have caused me anguish CIA, much political pain.
Now get out of my way, I need to catch a flight on my government supplied luxury plane.
I’m guessing the Republicans are stepping over themselves to apologize to Pelosi now? Oh right, they’re Republicans, they’re right even when they’re wrong.
I wasn’t aware that the CIA was a political organization Maggot?
Let’s see, weren’t there a bunch of conservative bloggers on these very pages who were ready to hang Pelosi over this a few weeks ago? I’m sure you’ll all be lined up to apologize for your mis-characterization, right? After all, it would be the honorable thing to do.
______________________
“Do me a favor CIA, and do not release that photograph
Of me in the San Diego zoo having my way with that male giraffe.”
______________________
Note that it’s a Republican that interjects sex with animals.
Real classy, Reg.
XXX,
Some of the posters on this Blog have a most perverted view of animal sex, male body parts, and bodily functions… I wonder if it goes with their ideology??
If you believe that the CIA lied in the past, what makes you so sure that the CIA is not lying in the present?
Leon Panetta’s own credibility is in question from the mere fact that he has undermined the credibility of his own organization by accusing it of lying.
Chas,
Do you suppose they’re uncomfortable with their libidos because they’re conservative or are they conservative because they’re uncomfortable with their libidos? The link between conservatism and weird sexual imagery shows up so often it can’t be ignored.
In “Regular’s” defense –
At least his cut-and-post “poem” depicts Pelosi having sex with a male giraffe.
He avoided playing the Gay card.
For “Regular,” that’s progress.
Ruffled,
“If you believe that the CIA lied in the past, what makes you so sure that the CIA is not lying in the present?”
Trust is one of those things that once broken is almost impossible to repair. Unfortunately in this case we need it repaired, as dispensing with intelligence is always a mistake. Let’s give they guy a chance. One chance.
Note to L Panetta
From: B Obsama
I am having some serious poll number issues here. My pork products are in danger.
Deflect, deflect, deflect…. now!
If Panetta’s lying, CIA’s credibility crumbles
By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist
CIA Director Leon Panetta today needs to clear up whether he or his agency have lied to Congress in recent years.
The CIA’s credibility is on the line, especially as Congress debates a new bill dealing with intelligence gathering.
Panetta is on the hot seat because of the fight he essentially picked with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi earlier this year over her own veracity.
Pelosi had accused the CIA of lying when it indicated she had been told of harsh interrogation techniques earlier this decade. That CIA revelation made it appear Pelosi had been two-faced when she didn’t do enough to halt waterboarding of alleged terrorists — especially if she knew America’s agents were utilizing that interrogation method.
But on Wednesday, some Democratic congressional members said Panetta had admitted in a closed session in June that the CIA had repeatedly misled Congress.
Panetta hasn’t commented on those charges, but he needs to do so and quickly.
———-
It appears Panetta hasn’t actually confirmed what the dems are saying he said in a ‘closed door meeting’. I’ll wait for the next act to unfold.
An investigative reporter could have found what I just did.
Panetta take on the June 24th meeting.
“CIA Spokesman George Little told FOX News that Panetta “stands by his May 15 statement.”
“It is not the policy or practice of the CIA to mislead Congress. This agency and this director believe it is vital to keep the Congress fully and currently informed. Director Panetta’s actions back that up. As the letter from these six representatives notes, it was the CIA itself that took the initiative to notify the oversight committees.”
Sources told FOX News that Panetta gave the June 24 testimony because he didn’t feel an issue had been “adequately” briefed but they didn’t say what the issue was. However, the sources said the issue spanned a number of CIA directors and did not include waterboarding or the enhanced interrogation program.
Does it surprise me that dimocrats would lie about what came out of the June 24th meeting? Unfortunately it doesn’t.
What specifically did the CIA lie about?
Pelosi has already admitted that she was briefed on waterboarding by the CIA. However, she contends that they lead her to believe no waterboarding was being done.
Apparently the story the Democrats would have us believe is that the CIA brought up the topic of waterboarding in a meeting with the assurance that they are not going to waterboard anybody.
This highly is illogical. IF the CIA wanted to hide the fact that they were waterboarding, why even bring it up in the meeting and then follow it up and say they are not doing it? Pelosi is not on record of making any objections to waterboarding during these breifings where waterboarding was discussed. This has has already been discussed on the WEblog.
In conclusion, this vaguely worded statement by Panetta does nothing to defend Pelosi. IF anything it makes the current CIA look very political. Panetta says that the CIA was lying the whole time until… oh yeah…last month. You can trust us now
Whatever.
My thoughts exactly. Orders came down from above and this is the cover.
Remember when the CONs kept mouthing the talking points that the Dems saw the “same evidence” that the President did, and voted to go to war?
Yeah.
They didn’t have the same evidence. Pelosi was right.
And the CONs are wrong.
In the case of the immoral and illegal invasion of Iraq, dead wrong.
okobserver
Posted July 9, 2009 at 2:28 pm | Permalink
Does it surprise me that dimocrats would lie
*****
When Panetta says, “we lied” — that means that they didn’t lie, to CONs.
When BushCo. said we have proof, we have “no doubt” of Saddam’s “tons and tons of Weapons of Mass Destruction” and “we know where they are,” Bush never lied, to CONs.
It’s easy to be a CON. Black is white and white is black.
Is the Capn saying that congress voted on evidence that was concealed from them which led them to believe that there was WMD in Iraq?
How do you believe something based upon evidence that is concealed from you?
The Capn woefully tries to tie this to the congressional vote for the war on Iraq by claiming that this statement by Panetta confirms that Congress was mislead into believing there was WMD in Iraq.
However, Panetta says specifically that the CIA concealed “significant actions” from Congress from 2001 until late last month.”
Try again Capn.
From 2001 to 2008 the CIA has been dancing with the bush devil, of course they’ve been lying to cover their butts.
“CIA director Leon Panetta has ordered an internal inquiry into the agency’s handling of a contentious and still highly-classified intelligence program that has caused a heated dispute between the CIA and Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee. The move by Panetta appears to be an implicit acknowledgement by the agency that it should have disclosed information about the post-9/11 secret program to Congress much earlier than it did.”
http://www.newsweek.com/id/205958
When you lie to Democrats, you’re just speaking their language.
“Paul Gimigliano, a CIA spokesman, said Panetta has nothing to correct: “Director Panetta took the initiative to raise the issue with the Hill. He did so promptly and clearly, as the oversight committees themselves recognize. He stands by his statement that it is neither the policy nor the practice of the CIA to mislead Congress. He believes, as his actions show, in the importance of a candid dialogue with Congress.”"
Panetta is telling the truth. PRESENT TENSE “it is neither the policy nor the practice of the CIA to mislead Congress.” However, in PAST TENSE it WAS the policy of this agency of the executive branch to mislead Congress.
You are partially correct Chris – Democrats DO understand lying … they have been around Republicans enough to at least be able to understand such Republi-speak.
So the Republicans in Congress paid attention at the briefings and the Democrats didn’t?
I mean, the Republicans evidently knew what was going on in the briefings and the Democrats were supposedly there at the same time.
Were the Democrats going “lalalala” and plugging their ears?
Odd, to say the least…
This is Washington at its finest. Two months ago pelosi was in hot water for lying about being briefed on “enhanced interrogation techniques. Panetta was even outraged that she was lying her ass off and said so publicly.
Now Panetta has been taken to the woodshed for embarrassing “princess pelosi” and his penitence is to concoct these bogus charges against his own agency so as to give pelosi credibility when she says she was never briefed about water boarding.
Does a Democrat ever tell the truth, even by accident? I used to think not, until I read Justice Ginsburg’s comments on what she used to think legalized abortion was really all about.
Panetti stated that it IS not CIA policy to lie. That was and is a true statement. Unfortunately, under BushCo it WAS policy to lie.
BTW – how is that WMD search coming along?
I imagine in the bush administration there were front room briefings, and also backroom briefings, in which the real activity was discussed.
Let’s hear from Roberts on this subject.
Can’t really blame the CIA, since bush made an example out of Plame for all to see the consequences of opposing admin. policy.
There you have it folks, Phantom imagines…
Imagining things appears to be common Democratic Party trait.
Now to get it straight, what was said was that the CIA did not tell the Congress about an operation that has been going on for the last eight years. That maybe deceptive but not lying since they said nothing.
BUT it is illegal that the CIA did not disclose the operation as required by law. This neither helps Pelosi or harms her. Since she said that they lied to Congress not that they hide things from them.
No, affirmatively lied to, means you told a fib. Can’t spin this one away.
“The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Silvestre Reyes, Democrat of Texas, referred to Mr. Panetta’s disclosure in a letter to the committee’s ranking Republican, Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, Congressional Quarterly reported on Wednesday. Mr. Reyes wrote that the committee “has been misled, has not been provided full and complete notifications, and (in at least one occasion) was affirmatively lied to.”
Just trying to cover Pelosi’s posterior for her.
Not very convincingly, either.
Just trying to help Pelosi cover her posterior.
Not very convincingly, either.
I’m shocked, the CIA lying to the Congress?
It’s OK for Congress to lie to us but it’s not OK to be lied to?
When are you cons going to hold your leaders responsible for their lies and deceitful actions?
Cons are poo pooing this off as insignificant, but this is tyranny. This cannot stand, we have the government set up this way for a reason for checks and balances of power. The republican party needs to come clean and become AMERICANS again or be dismantled.
What does this tell you … any of you Republicans out there that actually still love what America is supposed to stand for, CHANGE PARTIES or take back your old party. It sure aint Grand. The republicons are Hitler like more and more. Win at any cost. It costs you YOUR freedom and your country.
P-Mom,
Isn’t it interesting that the cons that defend the CIA are the same ones that worry about black helicopters coming to take their guns?
“Since she said that they lied to Congress not that they hide things from them.” [writerdog]
Actually, dog, Pelosi said that the CIA had mis-led Congress… not lied to Congres… Thus, what has now been made known means Pelosi owes nobody an apology…. And that’s good… It shows stability in the House…. :-)
Yeah Jed. Cons only want to take liberals guns, and then kill them into Christians.
Dem Pubs Con Libs into libertarians
their political strategy to take votes away from the Democratic Party
Actually, dog, Pelosi said that the CIA had mis-led Congress… not lied to Congres
Point taken Chas, yes that is what she said, far to often it is the leap logic and leap Reasoning that is being reported instead of what is actually said.
I think that even more disturbing is that managers in the CIA were able to hide this program from Panetta for four months. Why wasn’t he briefed on it immediately? Why wasn’t it disclosed to the Obama transition team? You can bet good money that Cheney knew about every post-9/11 program the CIA was running. What we have here is far worse than CIA not disclosing everything to Congress. What we have is an out-of-control program that was intentionally concealed from the Commander in Chief, and from the Director of the CIA. Heads should roll, and criminal investigations should be considered.
lets disband the cis……after all we got capn. phantom, monket. maggot etc…………that REALLY know what is going on
cis= cia
#
thomaswitt
Posted July 10, 2009 at 12:02 pm | Permalink
I think that even more disturbing is that managers in the CIA were able to hide this program from Panetta for four months. Why wasn’t he briefed on it immediately? Why wasn’t it disclosed to the Obama transition team? You can bet good money that Cheney knew about every post-9/11 program the CIA was running. What we have here is far worse than CIA not disclosing everything to Congress. What we have is an out-of-control program that was intentionally concealed from the Commander in Chief, and from the Director of the CIA. Heads should roll, and criminal investigations should be considered.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
*cough* CheneyDeathSquads *cough*
So bush/cheney had their own R.W. Death Squads.
I don’t believe for a second that these programs were concealed from any of the big wigs. Just from Congress where naysayers might foil their plot.
Why are people getting all upset over Cheney’s illegal death squads, illegal torture techniques, illegal NSA spying program, lets face it, nothing will happen to him, they might investigate, the justification will be 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 or you are only giving ammunition to our enemies and in the end nothing will happen, he is part of the ruling class. The chickens are coming home to roost from the operatives that stole the election for Bush/Cheney 2000 in Florida and 2004 in Ohio. I love listening to Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck, these chicken hawks on the War of Terror have become chicken little’s that the sky is falling when it comes to the economy, too funny.