Today the survivors of George Tiller announced their decision to close his Women’s Health Care Services permanently and not be involved in any similar clinic. That was their decision to make. The impact is profound on Wichita, however. It means that area women will be forced to travel three hours or more to seek abortions. The nearest clinics are in Overland Park. Any woman in a position to seek a late-term abortion will have to travel farther. Unless or until Wichita gains another abortion provider, the decision also will end the community’s run as the epicenter of the abortion fight.
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How’s that song go? Ding Dong, the witch is dead?
Hi Ho the merryO?
On the upside, vile poster placards will no longer litter Kellogg, and the protestors will have to drive three hours to protest.
How’s that song go? Ding Dong, the witch is dead?
Hi Ho the merryO?
Guess We Terrorized the Family-O!
“Wichita gains another abortion provider”
I think Wichita should try something new to bring in economic development. May I suggest hor houses?
Legalized prostitution like Nevada cities instead?
Much more respectable.
good
“Guess We Terrorized the Family-O!”
I think posters should think carefully about making a connection between the awful murder of a sleasy businessman – and being glad the business is closed in Wichita.
I can be against murder and for the closing of the clinic.
nods
The “terrorists” win.
“Wichita the ‘abortion capital’ no more” or “God Works in mysterious Ways”.
Come on people! Watching a bunch of young lady prostitutes would be better than looking at one or two temporarily pregnant women. Agreed?
Another benefit to legalized prostitution – some people wouldn’t have to worry about the woman finding out where you live or your child seeing her.
It means that area women will be forced to travel three hours or more to seek abortions.
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OMG!!!
What an inconvenience!
(Sarcasm, for those who didn’t know)
Rhonda Holman needs something to write about to feel relevant. Nine out of ten of her threads are scroll-overs.
Well, my goodness, you would think that there would be an army of Doctors just dying (no pun intended) to open up a business here, figuring that the Pro-Choice crowd seems to think that abortion “rights” are so popular….
Oh, and good that it is staying closed.
The “terrorists” win.
Yes, the terrorists won this one.
With all the ammo being hoarded in Wichita, what dr. (that doesn’t have a death wish) would re-open the clinic?
Anencephaly and right-wing moralizers
http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/anencephaly_and_right_wing_moralizers/
What’s the old Con philosophy “The End Justifies the Means”!
In this case they get to denigrate the perp and simultaneously celebrate his victory.
Wonder if Roeder will issue a statement for his followers?
Phantom,
Ammo is being sold out all across the country, not just Wichita.
Phantom,
What do you think we should do as the Pro-Life crowd? Cheer and support the clinic staying open? Be sad that it is closed?
We don’t agree with the murder of Dr. Tiller, but that doesn’t mean all of a sudden we will throw away all our ideals and beliefs and not be happy that clinic is closed.
Nathaniel
Posted June 9, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink
Phantom,
Ammo is being sold out all across the country, not just Wichita.
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Even online orders are taking months, if available at all.
Perhaps the Tiller family can get back to normal. From their all American appearance, complete with grandchildren and church-going, they probably wanted some normalcy away from the far left loonies.
Regular
Posted June 9, 2009 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
Perhaps the Tiller family can get back to normal. From their all American appearance, complete with grandchildren and church-going, they probably wanted some normalcy away from the far left loonies.
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You mean one or more of the kids won’t take-up the family business?
Funeral Homes usually stay in the family.
I believe from one of the stories on the assassination that there were three doctors working at the clinic. I’m surprised one of them is not opening up shop.
“We don’t agree with the murder of Dr. Tiller”
Sure you did.
Lovers of freedom take note. Christian terrorists are fringe but they are not entirely impotent.
Well, in their capacity to interfere in the lives of others anyway.
BlueJay,
While you are looking into your magical ball of what others actually think… can you dredge up some winning powerball numbers too?
Though I’m no big fan of the pro-life crazies, I’m not comfortable with abortion. Personally, I’m glad to see an end to the local abortion mill. It was a black eye for Wichita and Kansas. And it brought some very undesirable people to town (protests).
Good riddance!
Hopefully, Tiller’s clinic will be bought and turned into memorial/museum to inform the public about what happened there. Maybe the National Park Service will one day make it the the Tiller Clinic National Memorial and Historic Site.
Similiar projects were done at various places of brutal death and/or torture such as the Andersonville National Historic Site, Pearl Harbor National Memorial, Oklahoma City National Memorial where the memory of those who died can be honored for all posterity.
I guess Wichita will now have to be known for its flat Earthers, creationists, and other assorted nuts. I suggest a new motto:
“Gateway to the next to last century”
Does this mean “Operation Rescue” will move?
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RFL
Posted June 9, 2009 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
Hopefully, Tiller’s clinic will be bought and turned into memorial/museum to inform the public about what happened there. Maybe the National Park Service will one day make it the the Tiller Clinic National Memorial and Historic Site.
Similiar projects were done at various places of brutal death and/or torture such as the Andersonville National Historic Site, Pearl Harbor National Memorial, Oklahoma City National Memorial where the memory of those who died can be honored for all posterity.
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Did any of the 60,000 that died there have names?
I pretty sure that they were all named Human Being.
No death penalty in ‘late-term’ abortion doctor George Tiller murder case
A man charged with murdering a doctor who carried out late-term abortions will face a mandatory life sentence, not the death penalty, if convicted.
Well, a woman’s right to choose is never going away.
We just won’t have it here. Just as there are many things we don’t have here like attractive scenery, anything interesting to do or a collective cultural embrace of the advances of the last 100 years.
So, a memorial is unlikely, unless it be to the hero that was Dr. George Tiller.
Your “victim” wall? I have two but they’re not really names.
“Result of rape by an abusive boyfriend 1994″
“Downs syndrome pregnancy we were incapable of caring for 2008″
“Hopefully, Tiller’s clinic will be bought and turned into memorial/museum to inform the public about what happened there.”
Why stop there? Buy the church where he was shot.
Think Fords Theatre.
“a collective cultural embrace of the advances of the last 100 years”
WTF?
the hero that was Dr. George Tiller.
WTF II? Performing abortions makes one a hero in junior’s world. Right then…
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink
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Bluejay,
I say this in the nicest way possible, you must be a glutton for punishment.
Why do you post personal information and private details about your personal life on WE Blog?
When this is someone’s life (blogging), they have to be able to vent their emotions.
It’s an image thing. Ego stroking.
They cannot resist it or they have no place to gain that sense of fulfillment.
Just MHO.
Just as there are many things we don’t have here like attractive scenery, anything interesting to do or a collective cultural embrace of the advances of the last 100 years.-BlueJay
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Well, ain’t you a miserable sumb!tch!
Tiller’s clinic was the single most incongruent thing in the city of Wichita. It brought an unwanted spotlight to a city that is majority pro-life. I’m very glad it is gone.
Uses for the building? I don’t know. Something where life is nurtured.
Some abused women crave the attention a beating gives them because it is the only attention they get. I think that is part of the sickness. I see it on Law & Order SVU all the time.
“Something where life is nurtured”
hore house?
Turn it into an adoption center, I’m sure the RR is lining up to adopt all unwanted.
Troy Newman going to have to find another line of work now
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TomPaine
Posted June 9, 2009 at 2:21 pm | Permalink
Troy Newman going to have to find another line of work now
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Maybe he’ll start a Prison Ministry.
Maybe he’ll team up with Phelps.
“Did any of the 60,000 that died there have names?”–Reg.
Reg., as I imagine you already well know, yes they did.
Jeremiah. 1:5. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.
Romans 8:28 And we know that for those who love God, that is, for those who are called according to his purpose, all things are working together for good.
The killing of George Tiller was murder, a grave sin, but maybe something good can come of this.
A scar removed from our community and thousands of babies may see life.
Why stop there? Buy the church where he was shot.
Think Fords Theatre.
The clinic facility is the only building whose future is in doubt at the present. But no doubt the church where Tiller was shot makes a logical addition to the proposed clinic memorial should it too become abandoned.
It would help people come and respect the value of life by honoring the lives lost and learn and remember what happened and why. We could potentially expedite the path to “common ground” that the President has said needs to happen between the pro-life and pro-choice side. However, much time and investigation will have to pass before political pressures will not influence the presentation of the facts.
Of course, as is the case for any memorial of a tragedy, time is required for the greiving process to be completed before it should be set up for tourists and gawkers.
American_Way
Posted June 9, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
When this is someone’s life (blogging), they have to be able to vent their emotions.
It’s an image thing. Ego stroking.
They cannot resist it or they have no place to gain that sense of fulfillment.
Just MHO.
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So many abortions under your belt is a Macho Ego thing?
Something to brag about?
Well why not? It’s legal. Nothing wrong with it, is there? Why not advertise on billboards and promote even more abortions?
Every year, there should be a higher National Goal set to show what America can achieve, to show how Progressive we are!
American_Way
Posted June 9, 2009 at 2:03 pm | Permalink
When this is someone’s life (blogging), they have to be able to vent their emotions.
It’s an image thing. Ego stroking.
They cannot resist it or they have no place to gain that sense of fulfillment.
Just MHO.
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So many abortions under your belt is a Macho Ego thing?
Something to brag about?
Well why not? It’s legal. Nothing wrong with it, is there? Why not advertise on billboards and promote even more abortions?
Every year, there should be a higher National Goal set to show what America can achieve, to show how Progressive we are!
Is there any wonder we have a baseball team called the Wing-nuts? Karma??
Uses for the building? I don’t know. Something where life is nurtured.
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A Puppy Mill.
Where is the outrage over the killing of Pvt. William Andrew Long, 23, of Conway who had just completed basic training and was volunteering at the west Little Rock recruiting office before starting an assignment in South Korea.
As a pro-lifer, the murder of Dr. Tiller is totally wrong. The true pro-lifer would never condone the taking of anyone’s life. From what I have read, not one person has mentioned the baby’s rights. Have you seen what condition some of these babies are in after an abortion? Some are in pieces, or some (in 3rd trimester have their brains sucked out). Some are born alive and are left to die. That child did not ask to be conceived. Why should he/she suffer? Why is it that is a pregnant woman is killed and the baby also dies, the killer is charged with two counts of murder, yet abortion is legal? What needs to be done – our society needs to go back to the basics – bring God back into our lives, schools, etc., back to a good morals base. Teach our children to have respect for themselves and others.
What needs to be done – our society needs to go back to the basics – bring God back into our lives, schools, etc., back to a good morals base. Teach our children to have respect for themselves and others.
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The Left is against all of those things.
It’s not at all surprising the Tiller family decided to close Women’s Health Care Services.
No doubt there were all sorts of legalities to deal with; contracts, corporations, insurance….
The practice is likely for sale. Whether anyone takes Doctor Tiller’s place remains to be seen. It took tremendous courage and compassion to be George Tiller. That kind of person is rare.
Chances are that person won’t want to relocate to Wichita.
Advocates of illegal abortion react to today’s news by dancing on George Tiller’s grave.
They weep crocodile tears as they rejoice at the murder they’ve encouraged for decades.
It’ll be interesting to see what Troy Newman does next. There are many physicians who provide abortion services in Wichita. The only-est reason Operation Rescue was here was Doctor Tiller offered, when necessary, late-term procedures.
If Troy really believes in his stated cause, he’ll move on to other local OB/GYN practices.
If he leaves town, it’ll be under a “Mission Accomplished” banner.
In the meantime, he’s scrubbing his computer drives and shredding tons of paper and the Feds are investigating Operation Rescue’s terrorist organization.
“What needs to be done – our society needs to go back to the basics – bring God back into our lives, schools, etc., back to a good morals base.”
Thanks, I’d rather live in THIS century. Unless “God” would like to help me out with the light bill.
Told ya.
“Thanks, I’d rather live in THIS century. Unless “God” would like to help me out with the light bill.”—BlowJ
Have you ask and not demanded?
Or are you afraid HE might tell you to get up off your butt and work.
The practice is likely for sale. Whether anyone takes Doctor Tiller’s place remains to be seen. It took tremendous courage and compassion to be George Tiller. That kind of person is rare.
He did it for the money dipschit. Over a million a year?
In the meantime, he’s scrubbing his computer drives and shredding tons of paper and the Feds are investigating Operation Rescue’s terrorist organization.
You of course can back that up right? Or just more meaningless drivel?
Unless “God” would like to help me out with the light bill.
Good ole junior. Ever an outreached hand for some freebies. Gimme gimme gimme.
Unless “God” would like to help me out with the light bill.
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Reach out and grab you some lightning, BlueJay….It’s free.
““What needs to be done – our society needs to go back to the basics – bring God back into our lives, schools, etc., back to a good morals base.””
Well, bawks has got all that.
But it didn’t give him any help to tell us what would be done with all the babies after they leave the birth canal. He AND God seem to leave the scene at that point.
What needs to be done – our society needs to go back to the basics – bring God back into our lives, schools, etc., back to a good morals base.
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To anyone who agrees that we should bring God back into our schools….how would you implement that change?
How would you go about that?
Wow, listen to all the MEN crow about the WOMEN’S clinic having to shut down.
Kinda quiet from the women’s side of the aisle . . .
How would you go about that?
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I suppose you would have to ask Him first.
ANTI
Posted June 9, 2009 at 3:56 pm | Permalink
I suppose you would have to ask Him first.
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I already asked.
I already asked.
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What did He say?
The liberals who denounced America because of the treatment of Muslims have blood on their hands as much if not more as the conservatives who denounced abortionist Tiller
What needs to be done – our society needs to go back to the basics – bring God back into our lives, schools, etc., back to a good morals base.
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To anyone who agrees that we should bring God back into our schools….how would you implement that change?
How would you go about that?
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well the wackos could try and find someone to shoot…seemed to work fine on other issues.
RA,
You certainly seem to see enough blood to go around. Maybe you should get a priest, try a bit of reverse transubstantiation and get drunk. Release your inner boiled owl!
Unless a nic is feminine, Capn assumes every nic is masculine. The reality is, Capn doesn’t have a clue as far as the gender of each poster. For starters, it does not matter. It takes two to make a pregnancy and two to be responsible.
It should never be left up totally to the woman to decide the life of her and his infant. An organization that professes to support women’s right should never endorse an a policy that results in the woman being forced to parent alone should she choose life. However, that is exactly what giving the choice to an abortion solely to the woman has done because of a simple projection of logic.
Giving the woman the sole responsibility over the life and death decision of the infant in her womb is a logical removal of the Father from all responsibility of the child. Afterall, It is the
women’s choice, Not his. Therefore, we have a society of absentee Dads. Even the children who are not aborted are affected by the sinister legality of abortion And we all have to live with that.
ANTI
Posted June 9, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
What did He say?
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I asked God if He had any interest in returning to the schools and He did not answer in the affirmative.
I took it as a “no.”
I’m sure others might have a different interpretation.
Monk,
“It’ll be interesting to see what Troy Newman does next.”
If history repeats itself, he’ll try to hang a “We Won!” banner on the building like he did at Central Women’s Services when they sold their practice to Dr. Tiller.
I asked God if He had any interest in returning to the schools and He did not answer in the affirmative.
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Did he sound like George Burns?
If not you probably got Clarence, he fills in from time to time.
Jed, why are you not outraged over the killing of Pvt. William Andrew Long, 23, of Conway who had just completed basic training by a Muslim?
For over a week I have seen the outrage over Tiller’s killing but nothing over William Andrew’s murder. WHY?????????????
Giving the woman the sole responsibility over the life and death decision of the infant in her womb is a logical removal of the Father from all responsibility of the child. Afterall, It is the
women’s choice, Not his.
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Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.
Could it be the reason for all the outrage over tiller’s murder is that the liberls are having to go without lunch?
“A Kansas City abortionist is out of business after investigators discovered a grisly house of horrors at his clinic – with fetuses kept in Styrofoam cups in his refrigerator and one employee accusing him of microwaving one and stirring it into his lunch. “
By the way people, Wichita has never in it’s history been without someone filling that need, and I expect it already has doctors (and others) quietly performing abortions, third trimesters too. A woman will always be able to find help here in desperate times.
Dr. Tiller’s crime wasn’t performing abortions- he stood up to the fundies and did it well. That’s why they murdered him!
A lot of terrorist sympathizers here, that’s no surprise, they hate women as much as they hate America.
That’s why they murdered him!
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Last I heard, it was one guy that shot him in the face.
RA,
Dr. Tiller was a friend. Never met Pvt. Long, but I assume he was simply a victim of our country’s history of meddling in Middle-East politics and killing Muslims for for oil money.
It seems that it is the liberals that hate America.
According to Jed, Pvt. Long got what he deserved.
Jeez Jed,
Siding with the terrorist are ya?
And bashing America.
Giving the woman the sole responsibility over the life and death decision of the infant in her womb is a logical removal of the Father from all responsibility of the child. Afterall, It is the
women’s choice, Not his.
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Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.
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My point exactly. The government itself is illogical with its contradicting laws. The government makes a man pay child support for a child that could have been legally dispensed with but was not per the woman’s decision.
Why do you think guys are so in favor of abortion? No child support of course.
Ant,
“Siding with the terrorist are ya?”
Speaking of terrorism, You people spent years boning up on the subject out in front of Women’s Health Care Services, and so gave up the right to call anyone else “terrorist” long ago.
“For over a week I have seen the outrage over Tiller’s killing but nothing over William Andrew’s murder. WHY?????????????”
You cannot be serious.
“Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.”
Agreed. Men should be allowed the option of paying half the cost of an abortion. If the woman refuses, the man should be absolve of any obligation to the woman or child.
Speaking of terrorism, You people spent years boning up on the subject out in front of Women’s Health Care Services, and so gave up the right to call anyone else “terrorist” long ago.
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Jed,
I’ve never been to Women’s Health Care Services, so pi$$ off.
I find it sick that you think Muslims killing thousands of Americans is somehow the same as some portly middle aged guy dusting an abortion doctor.
“I find it sick that you think Muslims killing thousands of Americans is somehow the same as some portly middle aged guy dusting an abortion doctor.”
BOTH are clearly religious terrorism.
Hmm, what do they have in common? Religion.
So much for asking “God’s” help huh?
Ooh, Ruffles,
And how much back child support do you owe?
One of my fellow escorts who was much more web-astute than me started checking the backgrounds of clinic protesters and found that over half those good christian males had warrants out for non-payment of child support. He notified the proper authorities of their location and cut the number of our most vociferous protesters drastically. It wasn’t hard to see why so many of these jokers are divorced!
And more on religion.
Your Roeder guy wouldn’t even go to his kids soccer games because of the Sabbath. Some fine family values CHRISTIAN dad huh?
Ant,
“I find it sick that you think Muslims killing thousands of Americans is somehow the same as some portly middle aged guy dusting an abortion doctor.”
The fact that they are better at it than you just galls you, doesn’t it?
bring God back into our lives, schools, etc.,
Which God? Whose God?
Would it be all right if Horus steps back into our lives? That works for you, right? After all, he’s God, too. Or maybe Krishna? Osiris? Mithra? Or any other of several hundred Gods would be okay?
And before you tell us that you mean the Christian God because this is a Christian nation, here’s a reminder for you.
U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, unanimously approved by 5th Congress, 1796:
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
“Wow, listen to all the MEN crow about the WOMEN’S clinic having to shut down.
Kinda quiet from the women’s side of the aisle . . .”–Capn
Not at my house, the women are the ones that have said a prayer has been answered. Not the murder, just the closing of the ‘clinic of death’.
Pre,
I like Isis! Artimis too. Astarte ain’t bad either, but my favorite are those topless charismatic serpent handlers from Crete. One in every school!
Roeder was just another sinner posing as a Christian. True Christians do not murder adults or other human life forms.
Jed
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:00 pm | Permalink
Ooh, Ruffles,
And how much back child support do you owe?
One of my fellow escorts who was much more web-astute than me started checking the backgrounds of clinic protesters and found that over half those good christian males had warrants out for non-payment of child support. He notified the proper authorities of their location and cut the number of our most vociferous protesters drastically. It wasn’t hard to see why so many of these jokers are divorced!”
Really, did they wear name badges so he could look them up? Did he use face recognition software, and have some access to some huge database correlating faces to identities? How did he access the active warrant list? Pray tell, how was this done?
Oh, I know. Maybe he stole their billfolds to find thier id? Then he hacked into the state’s warrant system. THat must be it.
Then again, maybe he was just a cop, asked for their id, and checked the active warrant list. Maybe he wasn;t so web astute after all. Maybe just a cop on the payroll.
Did they wear badges that said “CHRISTIAN”? How did you know they were christian? Other faiths are against abortion too. Or did you just assume?
The women in your house know their place huh bawksy?
Damn I am sorry for any daughter of yours.
How do we know that Dr. Tiller was not the answer to many womens prayers?
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BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
“Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.”
Agreed. Men should be allowed the option of paying half the cost of an abortion. If the woman refuses, the man should be absolve of any obligation to the woman or child.
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Sometimes posts by certain folks say it all. Here is one claiming to be pro-woman, who would like for the law to say that he can get out of the responsibility of parenthood by offering to pay half of the fee for killing his child. If mom refuses to kill the child, he is off the hook for child support.
Ladies, I have nothing to add to that irresponsible piece of chavaunist garbage.
LJ, actually its not that hard to get people’s info, warrents and owing child support would be in the public records
You have it exactly wrong “outlander”.
I am for choice for women. They make the thumbs up or down as fits their circumstances. But men must have that right too or we treat women as lesser persons dependent on men.
“would like for the law to say that he can get out of the responsibility of parenthood by offering to pay half of the fee for killing his child.”
In personalizing that to me, you forget that I am the only single parent posting this blog. What is more, you cannot force “the responsibility of parenthood” on anyone male or female. IF you are a parent too, you should know that.
“Sometimes posts by certain folks say it all. Here is one claiming to be pro-woman, who would like for the law to say that he can get out of the responsibility of parenthood by offering to pay half of the fee for killing his child. If mom refuses to kill the child, he is off the hook for child support.
Ladies, I have nothing to add to that irresponsible piece of chavaunist garbage.”—outlander
Well said outlander, and notice BlowJ*b doesn’t consider the life of the child at all, they are absolutely expendable so long as he isn’t inconvenienced. It’s good that’s not the way the court works.
God help his kid.
Oh and BlowJ, when you say;
“The women in your house know their place huh bawksy?”
You are correct on that one thing.
I am the absolute head of my household…..they are the neck, and they can swing me anyway they like and as fast as they like. I’ve had whiplash at times.
“I am for choice for women. They make the thumbs up or down as fits their circumstances. But men must have that right too or we treat women as lesser persons dependent on men.”—BlowJ*b
What a bunch of horse manure!!!
There were many, many moments before, during and after Dr. Tiller’s funeral on Saturday that brought me tears.
At the apex, of course, was the stunningly beautiful Jeanne Tiller’s musical dedication to her murdered husband. Even in the best of times, the musical version of The Lord’s Prayer cleaves my heart. So, when Mrs. Tiller…..
Oh, my Jesus – words are unnecessary.
Running a distant second to this stirring evocation was the presence of St. Francis of Assisi’s famous admonition. “Make me an instrument of thy peace……” – I remembered the words well from my childhood and Catholicism…..
“Well said outlander, and notice BlowJ*b doesn’t consider the life of the child at all.”
And you do?
Oh yeah, as far as the cervix. Then you’re work is done and MINE begins.
And I teared up like a titanic tributary. I cried me a river. Because St. Francis hit a nerve – as do the most eloquent (see the late Pope John Paul’s “The Gospel of Life” – well, some of it anyway).
Perusing the braying and insensitive comments today (here and elsewhere), I am reminded of Rhonda Holman’s recent published entreaty for “common ground” in this deeply divisive issue.
Is common ground possible? I’m not sure. Here’s why…….
“I am the absolute head of my household…..they are the neck, and they can swing me anyway they like and as fast as they like. I’ve had whiplash at times.” bigotbawks
That explains the obvious brain damage the boy suffers.
On Thanksgiving evening of 2007, I staggered out to the Warren East Theatre to see “Bella” – a simply wonderful film that displayed the strengths that derive from family, friends and mutually supportive relationships.
After the film, I came oh-so-close to a noted local female right-to-lifer while traipsing out of the ladies’ loo. I was oh-so-close to getting right in her face and asking, “Do I LOOK like a jailbird?”
In 2004, this kindly soul had evidently stated that all aborting women should be tossed in prison – with absolutely no due process. Wow – that’s pretty harsh – that’s more f–king harsh than the Night Stalker’s treatment.
Common ground here? Probably not.
Hopefully, most women are on to this trick of devaluing them by putting them on a pedestal.
I could have said, “Have you seen yourself on that 2004 video with the M-Punks? You sure do look a lot better when you’re not on Mr. Zero’s v-cam!”
And she did. She’d lost weight; her hair was stylishly styled; she wasn’t screaming at patients; I wasn’t hearing transparent grunts about “caring about patients.”
Common ground here? Probably not.
What I have been able to extend is probably affirmation – in some areas. (I still have resentment in a lot of other areas.)….
I will affirm that some people – on both sides of this issue – are more skilled at some interpersonal areas than others. I will affirm that I have made mistakes – on both sides now (as Joni Mitchell once sang).
But recognition doesn’t necessarily equate to common ground. I certainly like the thought of it – and Holman was commendably correct in asking it of us. But you can’t be “somewhat” of a murderer. I and many post-abortive women – even those of us with deeply difficult emotions regarding it – do not regard ourselves as such.
I will (and have) noted the profound differences between howling magpies like Randall Terry and current pro-life leaders.
What if we thought in new ways. And this is new even for me. I always saw myself as the dad cleaning his shotgun when his daughter was picked up for dates.
What if we did not raise girls to think in terms of “we might get pregnant” but “I might get pregnant.”?
“I might get pregnant and be completely on my own in the situation.”
No shot gun weddings. No child support. No “I’ll get pregnant and THEN he will love me.”
Wouldn’t a girl raised like that think twice about having sex? Wouldn’t a girl raised like that be more inclined to see herself as her own person and not half of a couple?
“BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 6:09 pm | Permalink”
But I thought the Bible said women should be subordinate to men….
Fundamentally changing how we think about one half of the human race might not even be enough to fight the fire of hormones. But isn’t it worth a try?
I’ll lose people I wouldn’t begin to reach anyway with this next. So I got nothing to lose.
Our closest relatives on this Earth are the great apes. They, like many of the higher mammals, take a more community approach to child rearing. Perhaps we should learn from that.
I will (and have) noted certain writings recently which strike a chord with my own history. My judgement does not extend, however, to anyone else.
And I rather dislike having quotes (our “pro-choice opposition”) around our names – as if we were inherently suspect – or fallacious.
I should probably assure the author that we are real. The grief expressed by hundreds of us nine days ago in Old Town wasn’t false. The dozens of attestations showering down upon Dr. Tiller on Saturday weren’t figments of my fervid imagination.
The enduring beauty – and newfound anguish – in the face of a former clinic escort was probably not illusory. (I haven’t ever taken hallucinogenic drugs, anyway…..)
Yes, we are real – and it’s probably difficult to find common ground with those who would marginalize you – or deem you “wimps” (as a famous pro-life nurse did two years ago).
But St. Francis’s timeless prayer of peace and beauty moved my savaged soul last Saturday. My own mistakes were reflected upon (silently), of course, but his words in the midst of this searing tragedy lifted me up – even while making me cry.
Kudos to Holman for her wise words here – but I’m not sure I can always live up to them.
Carrie Gordon Earll, senior bioethics analyst for Focus on the Family Action, said: “For years, pro-life activists have tried to redirect women going to Tiller’s clinic away from abortion and toward life for their preborn child.
“The closing of this clinic — albeit under tragic circumstances — will give women another opportunity to reconsider abortion and choose life.”
Y E S !!!
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RFL
Posted June 9, 2009 at 4:49 pm | Permalink
Giving the woman the sole responsibility over the life and death decision of the infant in her womb is a logical removal of the Father from all responsibility of the child. Afterall, It is the
women’s choice, Not his.
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Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.
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My point exactly. The government itself is illogical with its contradicting laws. The government makes a man pay child support for a child that could have been legally dispensed with but was not per the woman’s decision.
Why do you think guys are so in favor of abortion? No child support of course.
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Your point exactly?
You said that women having the choice led to men being absolved of all responsibility.
I pointed out that the opposite is the case.
F–k you people who are cheering. You’re going to see very quickly how profoundly bad this is for any women in Kansas and the US. Whether it is your daugther, your sisters, your friends, your friend’s daughters…using terrorism to deny women their reproductive rights will come back to haunt you. I promise you. When these women die from backalley abortions, from coathangers, from infection, from giving birth, from abandoned dumpster babies, you wait. Hell will have been opened.
I hope this happens to you. I hope to GOD that you find yourself affected by what you have done. Fn terrorists celebrating. Only American Taliban would be happy about this.
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BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
“Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.”
Agreed. Men should be allowed the option of paying half the cost of an abortion. If the woman refuses, the man should be absolve of any obligation to the woman or child.
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No, not agreed. At the very, very, very least a man should be financially responsible for any children he helps create.
Your idea only leads to more abortions and more children being raised in poverty.
BTW…..you are not the only single parent who posts on WE Blog.
Any of you who have been quietly pro-choice, I hope this wakes you up and gets you involved. We’ve been fighting this nonsense for years with only a few of us. HELP US. We need a new clinic. And we need it now.
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RightAngle
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
Roeder was just another sinner posing as a Christian. True Christians do not murder adults or other human life forms.
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Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad is just another sinner posing as a Muslim. True Muslims do not murder adults or other human life forms.
Pol.Momma is right: This ain’t the time for cheering.
In fact, I find it eminently distasteful.
I would gently state, however, that this madness (i.e., clinic violence) cannot go on.
If we procure another clinic, some flaccid f—wit will do this again. Especially if the clinic’s ownership did not have the financial resources to secure adequate protection.
Folks – we can’t go on like this. Doctors should not be forced to go into armed combat – just to go to work. I had my abortion in a hospital – this is virtually a non-occurrence nowdays. Why is this?
I also would welcome newer and better (and painless) ways to terminate very early pregnancies – without the agonizing side effects of the so-called “abortion pill.”
Certainly, I do not have the answers. But this insanity cannot continue. I have no doubt that Scottie-Scrunching-S—tum is correct: the underhung, overhanging fruit are planning other attacks.
I’d stake my life on it…..
Yep, from all the comments from the lefties, this is exactly why the Tiller family wants to close the clinic.
That is, to get away from the lefty loonies.
I think we make it an absolute crime to harass any doctor outside of their businesses and homes. Anyone posting information on the movements of abortion staff be arrested. This should fall under stalking laws and harassment laws.
Too many catholic orgs bought hospitals, and hospitals don’t wish to deal with the fallout from protestors. That’s why this moved to the clinics.
I also want all of the organizations that are in with these terroristic ideals be taken down under RICO. That means OR and AOG.
KFL can stay provided they don’t get involved with harassment.
I think the family has given up enough to fight this fight, don’t you?
Its time for the rest of us to do our part in keeping our rights.
“At the very, very, very least a man should be financially responsible for any children he helps create.”
You must have never had a woman get pregnant on you on purpose with the intent of entrapment. They DO do it. Been there, had it done to me. This is again a function of raising girls to see themselves as half a couple instead of individual people.
If we are really going to solve this problem, we will not do it by treating men and women differently. We should look to the higher mammals that see pregnant females as something the group collectively protects and nourishes.
It will take a village.
“I think we make it an absolute crime to harass any doctor outside of their businesses and homes. ”
That, or give them back some of the same.
“Your idea only leads to more abortions and more children being raised in poverty.”
Only if the “pro life” people continue to abandon their cause after birth. I grant you, going by posters here, I don’t see that changing. They are not about solving problems. They are about affixing blame.
BlueJay is taking the ‘Wild Kingdom’ approach to family.
Interesting . . . the two people capable of actually bearing a child see this as a tragedy.
The ones crowing about the “babies” who won’t get killed are all d*cks.
If men could get pregnant, abortion would never have been illegal . . . in this country or any other.
I was once “pro life”. Now I am truly pro life. That it goes against some old conventions should not matter if the result is positive. Trying to make people fit ideals in a not ideal world isn’t working. It only EVER worked by treating women as property and even then was not perfect.
Can Troy Newman continue to make big bucks bilking the religious fundies now that his raison d’etre is totally gone?
I’m betting yes.
“No one ever got rich over-estimating the mind of the American public.” H. L. Menken
Yes, the family has done more than enough.
It is time for peace. It is time for healing. They need their privacy – which means freedom from vilification and harassment.
Yes, you’re right about hospital mergers. The former Asbury Hospital is now Salina Regional Medical Center (owned by the Church of Rome). The hospital where I was born, Hadley, is now merged with the former St. Anthony’s Hospital – owned by you-know-who. Even tubal ligations and vasectomies are forbidden, so…..
You get the picture.
I have an idea (and it may be a naive idea). Newer and better technologies for detecting pregnancy are now present. I believe that even one of the over-the-counter EPT’s can detect pregnancy even before the first missed period. So-o-o-o,
With proper anesthesia and/or heavy sedation (or a pudental block, perhaps) could physicians perhaps perform VERY early terminations in their offices. Of course, this would then require that patients not “rat out” their physicians to the nazi’s, er, local terrorists.
Because that is exactly what happened to my now-deceased doctor.
I voted my conscience last November. I refused to even consider a return to my former faith in August 2006 and later, despite near-catastrophic life circumstances.
But I could not apply for the position at Dr. Tiller’s clinic. “Well, I love Dr. Tiller,” I said to myself. “I love (one of his employees) – I wish them both well.”
Now is not the time to discuss my difficulties with this issue; I believe it safe to say I did not seek to harm anyone. There are things I can do – there are things I cannot do. To my credit, I do not seek to impose my difficulties on others. Nor speak for anyone else. Because idiots – even former idiots – relinquish that right. Nor can I lose myself in the all-encompassing embrace of Roman Catholism as I once did.
I was only 16 when this tragedy occurred – I was not an adult. There was a definite fallout. But because there is so much cruelty surrounding this issue, I wouldn’t describe it even if I could.
I do, however, wish I could have placed myself between Dr. Tiller and “The Shooter” nine days ago. Then again, that c— would have just shot me – and then turned the trigger on the beloved physician.
Yeah – he’s a real “respecter of life”. What a
f–king joke….
P-Mom writes . . . using terrorism to deny women their reproductive rights will come back to haunt you. I promise you.
Of course you are correct, P-Mom.
One can only hope that the next ectopic pregnancy or acephalous birth putting the mother at risk happens to Troy Newman’s wife.
Unfortunately, those conditions are just rare enough that the pro-birth crowd doesn’t have to worry much about it happening to them.
But it will happen to some woman.
Just curious: How many of virulent anti-abortion types were cheering on the attempts to keep the grotesque, unthinking, unfeeling remnant of Terry Schaivo alive?
I understand that when facts collide with ideology with some people, ideology will win every time (see global warming, evolution, etc.). That’s why so many right-wingers cheer the death of journalism. Who needs reporters uncovering inconvenient facts, when we have preachers, talk radio, and blogs to tell us what to believe?
The “facts” the antis really upon take an issue involving some moral ambiguities and a serious clash of conflicting interests (it’s her body and her pregnancy, after all, guys), ignore what medical science tells us (and the numerous medical issues involved), and turn into a black-and-white morality play where one side is doing evil and the other supports good.
The murderous nature of the “good” side would tend to cast doubt on that, but that’s why the inflammatory rhetoric is necessary. Because when you have people who want to rule over others by fiat (and will collect firearms if they think that will is being thwarted), then some extreme hyperbole is certainly in order.
I’ve given anti-abortion folks a fair degree of tolerance, knowing how strongly they feel about this, but enough is enough.
Join the human race, and we’ll talk about it.
1. RFL
Posted June 9, 2009 at 4:49 pm | Permalink
Giving the woman the sole responsibility over the life and death decision of the infant in her womb is a logical removal of the Father from all responsibility of the child. Afterall, It is the
women’s choice, Not his.
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Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.
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My point exactly. The government itself is illogical with its contradicting laws. The government makes a man pay child support for a child that could have been legally dispensed with but was not per the woman’s decision.
Why do you think guys are so in favor of abortion? No child support of course.
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So, let’s see if I can summarize what you libs want:
>1. Men Libs say, if I screw you and get you pregnant then:
A. You choose to have the baby, then you pay for it. I pay no child support. (I didn’t care for you that much!)
B. I pay for ½ the cost of your abortion.
C. Women are good for only one thing. I don’t want to have a baby with them. But, I respect women.
>2. Women Libs say, If I screw you and get pregnant then:
A. It’s my choice to have an abortion or not.
B. If I choose to have the baby (and it’s not the MAN’S choice) then the man pays child support.
C. If I choose to have an abortion (and it’s not the MAN’S choice) then the man pays for at least half of the abortion cost. But, I respect men, even though you are good for just sperm & money.
>3. All Libs say:
A. That a fetus isn’t human, and it may be a terrible burden for a women to have to raise a child by herself.
B. If you respect women, then you have to allow them to choose to kill their baby or not.
C. The baby has no right to burden a woman and force the woman to be a human incubator.
D. The baby has no right to choose, and even if it did, the mother is bigger and stronger then the baby so the mother wins.
E. You must hate women if you consider them to be good for just one thing and don’t give them the right to kill their baby or, I mean, piece of tissue fetus inside them.
Is that abortion rights 101 rationalized, in a nutshell?
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
“Try that projection of logic on the Judge when he or she sets the level of financial support the father is required to provide the child and see how far it gets you.”
Agreed. Men should be allowed the option of paying half the cost of an abortion. If the woman refuses, the man should be absolve of any obligation to the woman or child.
Jed
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:02 pm | Permalink
Ant,
“I find it sick that you think Muslims killing thousands of Americans is somehow the same as some portly middle aged guy dusting an abortion doctor.”
The fact that they are better at it than you just galls you, doesn’t it?
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Jed doesn’t know what a sick ba st ard he is.
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BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:45 pm | Permalink
You have it exactly wrong “outlander”.
I am for choice for women. They make the thumbs up or down as fits their circumstances. But men must have that right too or we treat women as lesser persons dependent on men.
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Yup, BJ respects the women he’s knocked up cause they have a choice to pay for 1/2 a dead baby or the full price of a live baby.
Women are only good for one thing, and if THEY get knocked up, it’s THEIR choice.
BJ has no responsibility even for the kid he allowed to live.
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
“would like for the law to say that he can get out of the responsibility of parenthood by offering to pay half of the fee for killing his child.”
In personalizing that to me, you forget that I am the only single parent posting this blog.
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Even IF that was true, and it’s not, then what great authority does that make of yourself?
BJ,
Do you FULLY disclose your intentions with the women you fu ck BEFORE or AFTER you fu ck them?
Just wondering if the rules are clear to them, so that they no in advance what they are good for, so as they can make an informed choice to sleep with your or not.
Boxlock20
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:52 pm | Permalink
“I am for choice for women. They make the thumbs up or down as fits their circumstances. But men must have that right too or we treat women as lesser persons dependent on men.”—BlowJ*b
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CLASSIC AS*HOLE.
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:54 pm | Permalink
“Well said outlander, and notice BlowJ*b doesn’t consider the life of the child at all.”
And you do?
Oh yeah, as far as the cervix. Then you’re work is done and MINE begins.
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Another GEM.
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 6:01 pm | Permalink
Hopefully, most women are on to this trick of devaluing them by putting them on a pedestal.
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He’s on a roll…..
I wouldn’t devalue them by putting them on a pedestal!
So you treat them like a sperm recepticle?
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 6:17 pm | Permalink
Our closest relatives on this Earth are the great apes. They, like many of the higher mammals, take a more community approach to child rearing. Perhaps we should learn from that.
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He11, why stop at the ape level. Why not just fu ck like rabbits?
WE SHOULD LEARN FROM APES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Political_mama
Posted June 9, 2009 at 6:41 pm | Permalink
F–k you people who are cheering. You’re going to see very quickly how profoundly bad this is for any women in Kansas and the US. Whether it is your daugther, your sisters, your friends, your friend’s daughters…using terrorism to deny women their reproductive rights will come back to haunt you.
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Pmom sounds like a mad threatening terrorist!
Political_mama
Posted June 9, 2009 at 6:43 pm | Permalink
Any of you who have been quietly pro-choice, I hope this wakes you up and gets you involved. We’ve been fighting this nonsense for years with only a few of us. HELP US. We need a new clinic. And we need it now.
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PMom, are you pregnant?
FilmFan
Posted June 9, 2009 at 6:52 pm | Permalink
Certainly, I do not have the answers. But this insanity cannot continue. I have no doubt that Scottie-Scrunching-S—tum is correct: the underhung, overhanging fruit are planning other attacks.
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If you are that frightened, you should be preparing to defend yourself and not blogging all day!
Political_mama
Posted June 9, 2009 at 6:59 pm | Permalink
I also want all of the organizations that are in with these terroristic ideals be taken down under RICO. That means OR and AOG.
KFL can stay provided they don’t get involved with harassment.
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Ah your true colors shine through.
Label your opposition as terrorists.
Then stifle their 1st Amendment rights.
Then throw them into concentration camps!
“Women are good for only one thing.”
Women SHOULD be allowed to be “good” for whatever they want and need for themselves. We have denied them this by requiring that they come attached to a man or child.
“Do you FULLY disclose your intentions with the women you fu ck BEFORE or AFTER you fu ck them?”
Nowadays, I seek women who wish only for occasional sexual company. I’m younger than most posters here and that concept might be lost on them. Let me assure you it is very common. I am not looking for attachment or more children and take every measure to let that be known honestly and upfront. Having been burned more than once myself, I aint about doing it to anyone else. I also have no interest in complicating the lives of other people’s kids and I avoid women with even a hint of their kids father in the picture.
Political_mama
Posted June 9, 2009 at 7:01 pm | Permalink
Its time for the rest of us to do our part in keeping our rights.
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Gonna get a gun?
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 7:06 pm | Permalink
“At the very, very, very least a man should be financially responsible for any children he helps create.”
You must have never had a woman get pregnant on you on purpose with the intent of entrapment. They DO do it. Been there, had it done to me. This is again a function of raising girls to see themselves as half a couple instead of individual people.
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Those nasty B*TCHES!
Teach them JR, teach them that they are individuals and not half-couples.
Teach them they have no right to trap you with their gonads!
Teach them JR!
Teach them that the man bears no responsibility for what that Evil Woman made them do!
Bluejay,
Vasectomy. The best $300 you’ll ever spend.
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 7:11 pm | Permalink
“Your idea only leads to more abortions and more children being raised in poverty.”
Only if the “pro life” people continue to abandon their cause after birth. I grant you, going by posters here, I don’t see that changing. They are not about solving problems.
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THEY aren’t about solving problems? Are you?
It takes a village to solve problems.
JR, you can’t do anything on your own. YOU are not about solving problems.
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 7:17 pm | Permalink
I was once “pro life”. Now I am truly pro life.
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Huh? You change your mind?
Or too much booze?
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 8:24 pm | Permalink
Nowadays, I seek women who wish only for occasional sexual company. I’m younger than most posters here and that concept might be lost on them. Let me assure you it is very common. I am not looking for attachment or more children and take every measure to let that be known honestly and upfront. Having been burned more than once myself, I aint about doing it to anyone else. I also have no interest in complicating the lives of other people’s kids and I avoid women with even a hint of their kids father in the picture.
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So that abortion last year you talked about 1/2 sponsoring, what happened there?
No pre-agreement? No self-control on either side? No preventative measures?
Ahhh, why bother. Just use abortions for birth control.
BJ, you said you are 40 something.
Yet you haven’t figured out yet how NOT to knock up women?
You proud of that?
You consider yourself a stud who respects women?
Take Daniel’s advice at least, if you can’t find a rubber small enough.
THIS is why I use personal stories Daniel.
Jim? Aborting a Downs syndrome pregnancy is not now or soon likely to be on the list of things I get to decide.
The woman in question is just as dedicated to the single life as I am. We considered the idea of continuing the pregnancy. Though it was not entirely certain that I was the father. The Downs diagnosis changed that for her. I supported the decision.
You are 40 something and took no steps to prevent an unwanted pregnancy? How stupid are you?
So how many guys were chippin in on the abortion?
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Jed
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:02 pm | Permalink
Ant,
“I find it sick that you think Muslims killing thousands of Americans is somehow the same as some portly middle aged guy dusting an abortion doctor.”
The fact that they are better at it than you just galls you, doesn’t it?
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Jed,
I hate to bust a hole the size of Texas in your ignorant stereotype, but I have never participated in or attended any Anti-Abortion protest nor have I donated to/belong to any Pro-Life Groups.
Bluejay,
Seriously, if you are at the point in your life where you know that you don’t want to have anymore children, take my advice.
Snip, snip…..no more worries.
She also took no steps at prevention?
Just goes to show, abortion is just another form of birth control.
I guess the Gov’t pays for the abortion but not:
The before pills
The after pills
The patches
The IUD’s
The rubbers
So F-em. And then get a Free Gov’t abortion if they get pregnant.
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BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 8:45 pm | Permalink
THIS is why I use personal stories Daniel.
Jim? Aborting a Downs syndrome pregnancy is not now or soon likely to be on the list of things I get to decide.
The woman in question is just as dedicated to the single life as I am. We considered the idea of continuing the pregnancy. Though it was not entirely certain that I was the father. The Downs diagnosis changed that for her. I supported the decision.
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I have a 51 year old cousin with Down’s syndrome. He’s a delightful man. He’s a regular church attender, even ushers once in awhile, passing out bulletins. Coming from a musical family, he plays the spoons (quite good at it.) He loves to bowl and is a friend to everyone. He held a full time job for many years.
Making people with Down’s syndrome as some sort of substandard human is quite telling.
What if we did not raise girls to think in terms of “we might get pregnant” but “I might get pregnant.”?
“I might get pregnant and be completely on my own in the situation.”
No shot gun weddings. No child support. No “I’ll get pregnant and THEN he will love me.”
Wouldn’t a girl raised like that think twice about having sex? Wouldn’t a girl raised like that be more inclined to see herself as her own person and not half of a couple?- BlueJay
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Actually I agree with BlueJay on this. I would also teach my daughters this (see my pulling calves posts from the past).
Daughters need to know the consequences good/bad of sex and getting pregnant and the responsibilities that will follow.
Sure Anti,
And from BJ’s point of view, HE can place 100% of the burden responsibility for birth control and abortions on the woman.
He gets by scott free, as usual.
The problem with the lefties who support abortion for any reason, is that they are practicing Nazi-like Eugenics. They don’t even recognize why this makes them look like cold-blooded monsters.
JimJohnson
Posted June 9, 2009 at 8:13 pm | Permalink
Boxlock20
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:52 pm | Permalink
“I am for choice for women. They make the thumbs up or down as fits their circumstances. But men must have that right too or we treat women as lesser persons dependent on men.”—BlowJ*b
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CLASSIC AS*HOLE.
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Jim, I hope you and everyone else know that was not my statement, I was copy and pasting the big BlowJ*b’s words.
Abortion, except to save the mother or a unsurvivable child, is a complete and total moral and societal tragedy from from conception to death.
I regret the death of George Tiller, that was a failure too, but I rejoice in the closing of that death house.
After reading the rest of BlueJay’s post I am reassured that the man is genuine POS.
posts, as it were.
WTF, I show up and everyone stops chatting about grinding up babies?
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ANTI
Posted June 9, 2009 at 9:19 pm | Permalink
WTF, I show up and everyone stops chatting about grinding up babies?
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I told you that cowbell would give you away.
ict wingnuts seriously hopelessly mental
I told you that cowbell would give you away.
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You’re right, I should stop wearing that…
“The woman in question is just as dedicated to the single life as I am. We considered the idea of continuing the pregnancy. Though it was not entirely certain that I was the father. The Downs diagnosis changed that for her. I supported the decision.”—BlueJay
What a quagmire of moral sewage you live in.
You ask everything be given to you, you ask nothing of yourself….and you get nothing in return of course.
And too ignorant to learn.
On the upside Today is going to do the weather live from the keeper of the plains tomorrow, think they’ll throw in a commentary on Roeder?
Boxlock20
Posted June 9, 2009 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
JimJohnson
Posted June 9, 2009 at 8:13 pm | Permalink
Boxlock20
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:52 pm | Permalink
“I am for choice for women. They make the thumbs up or down as fits their circumstances. But men must have that right too or we treat women as lesser persons dependent on men.”—BlowJ*b
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CLASSIC AS*HOLE.
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Jim, I hope you and everyone else know that was not my statement, I was copy and pasting the big BlowJ*b’s words.
Abortion, except to save the mother or a unsurvivable child, is a complete and total moral and societal tragedy from from conception to death.
I regret the death of George Tiller, that was a failure too, but I rejoice in the closing of that death house.
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Whoa, SORRY Boxlock. I knew that wasn’t you, it was BJ I was referring to.
Sorry for the sloppy copy/paste job.
BJ was at his Prime As*inine Pinnacle tonight. A Pure A*S.
BlueJay
Posted June 9, 2009 at 5:45 pm | Permalink
You have it exactly wrong “outlander”.
I am for choice for women. They make the thumbs up or down as fits their circumstances. But men must have that right too or we treat women as lesser persons dependent on men.
What ashholes you people are. You’re the same ones who will beat up Jay while screwing around on your wives, pretending to be someone you’re not. YOU are the scum, at least Jay is upfront about his decision.
I’ll even bet at least a few of you cons have had your girlfriend get an abortion so your wifey poo didn’t find out.
Just like Phelps and his crowd, the ones who play the morality card the most usually have the most to hide.
I think it is great if one decides to carry their Down’s child to term. But to say that everyone should or could be able to raise a child like that properly is absurd. I would say it is a lot easier with a child with Downs than Autism or a myriad of other far worse physical diseases.
To compare abortion to Nazi eugenics is just another way to vilify those who have made the decision. WHY on EARTH would you force someone to be a parent when they don’t want to be? Idiots.
Political_Mama,
I took all that time answering your questions you thought so much about. I got no response.
Here you go again, I wouldn’t want your thoughtful questions to go unanswered:
“What ashholes you people are. You’re the same ones who will beat up Jay while screwing around on your wives, pretending to be someone you’re not. YOU are the scum, at least Jay is upfront about his decision.”
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You have some evidence that people here are screwing around on their wives?
“I’ll even bet at least a few of you cons have had your girlfriend get an abortion so your wifey poo didn’t find out.”
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You base this on what? Seems like more hateful speculation and assumption pulled out of your rear end.
“Just like Phelps and his crowd, the ones who play the morality card the most usually have the most to hide.”
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Just like Phelps? Hardly…
“I think it is great if one decides to carry their Down’s child to term. But to say that everyone should or could be able to raise a child like that properly is absurd. I would say it is a lot easier with a child with Downs than Autism or a myriad of other far worse physical diseases.”
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And do you support the killing of children with Autism or any other myriad of “far worse” problems after birth too?
“To compare abortion to Nazi eugenics is just another way to vilify those who have made the decision. WHY on EARTH would you force someone to be a parent when they don’t want to be? Idiots.”
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Again, do you support allowing parents to kill their children after birth? I mean, you just got done saying, why would you want to force someone to be a parent. So, I guess that means you agree that parents should be able to kill their children after birth as well.
And you wonder why we compare the thinking like yours to the NAZI’s?
“So, I guess that means you agree that parents should be able to kill their children after birth as well.”
That’s brilliant, bumpkin.
Abortion remains legal and available. The anti’s have won nothing.
abortion emasculates men
I prefer for men to be men. Seeking out a woman to marry. Wooing her. Asking her father’s permission. Committing to love and care for her. Making a home with her in constancy, sickness and in health til death do us part.
Oh for fathers who will teach their sons to be men and their daughters to be women!
P-mama, you make yourself totally irrelevant and immature when you ‘make up scenarios’ about people you disagree with and assign those to them without proof or example.
All that does is let everyone know how your gutter mind works.
“I prefer for men to be men. Seeking out a woman to marry. Wooing her. Asking her father’s permission. ”
Seeing yourself as a bit of property to be transferred from one man to another?
I am truly sorry you have decided to demean yourself to a stereotype from a bygone age. If you were born after 1960 and still think as you do, we clearly have much more work to do.
Jim,
No problem, I thought that was what you meant I just wanted to be sure.
Sheesh Deb are are you a person or a knick knack?
“. Men should be allowed the option of paying half the cost of an abortion. If the woman refuses, the man should be absolve of any obligation to the woman or child.”
So when that kid grows old enough to seek out his or her father, you will say, “Sorry kid, I told your mom to get you aborted. She wouldn’t listen to me.”
I’m not sure I can go along with this approach.
It is one thing for libs to not care about unborn life – it should be something different when a child is born.
“It is one thing for libs to not care about unborn life – it should be something different when a child is born.”—Am_Way
And that is EXACTLY the attitude BlowJ accuses pro-life folks of.
What a hypocrite.
When I see men encouraging women to abort their children I find males who have not grown up and yet are called men. It is actually worse than that, even boys know a baby is a baby in the womb, they have to be TAUGHT to view an unborn child as less than human as you indicated in your “born after 1960″ comment BlueJay.
I am a person which is why I believe aborting a person is wrong. Abortion is the antithesis of protection which is the duty of men toward women and children.
Political_mama
Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:06 am | Permalink
What ashholes you people are. You’re the same ones who will beat up Jay while screwing around on your wives, pretending to be someone you’re not. YOU are the scum, at least Jay is upfront about his decision.
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I think I know who BJ had that abortion with last year!
lj,
“Really, did they wear name badges so he could look them up?”
We escorts keep notes on anything we find out about the fundies and share it, along with photos, license tags etc. with escorts at clinics around the country. It’s a good idea to know who’s out front, and what they might be packing.
As far as accessing warrants, I didn’t do that so I don’t know how it was done, but it sure got rid of a lot of the screamers! Amazing what an effective intelligence network can do.
Jimbo,
I know for a fact (I was there and witnessed it) that fundie clinic howlers have abortions too. About half a dozen on my watch. And the hypocrites were out there screaming at women a week later.
I know for a fact that a lot of the male protesters aren’t taking care of the children they have. We looked it up and notified their exes and the proper authorities in their home states. Research is a wonderful tool!
I also know for a fact that abortions were at least as available (and a whole lot cheaper) here in Wichita before Roe as they are now. I was there. I knew a chiropractor whose practice was exclusively abortions. He had three fellow chiropractors here who did the same. You obviously want to return to the bad old days before Roe. I hope it isn’t one of your kids or girlfriends who ends up dying in a back-alley “clinic.”
I know for a fact (I was there and witnessed it) that fundie clinic howlers have abortions too. About half a dozen on my watch. And the hypocrites were out there screaming at women a week later.
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There you go again, Jed-TOTT.
Debbie-poo,
You’re stuck in a fantasy time-warp. Knights in shining armor are few and far between, and spend their attention polishing that armor instead of on you. You’d be sadly disappointed if you actually found one!
Women, just like the rest of us, need the skills and confidence to face the world. When they end up dependent on someone else, they’re bound to lose.
There you go again outie. I was there.
Hey Jed,
Did you ever tell any of those ladies, “Next time stay off your back”?
Baloney Jed.
“Abortion is the antithesis of protection which is the duty of men toward women and children.”
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That is true Deb. Slugs like you know who, who would encourage women to abort for a “man’s” convenience sake are the anithesis, if I may borrow your word, of true manhood.
We are raising our son to be a knight. One who values principles, respects women and treats them like a lady should be treated. It is not an easy task in this corrupt and selfish culture.
“outlander” contributes to the substantive debate on WE Blog with –
“Baloney Jed.”
Well who can argue with that?
Seriously, CONs.
Sometime take a step back and look at the nature of your posts to this forum.
Do a number-crunch and see how many CONs resort to “You are a….[fill in the blank]“ with nothing but vitriol; no cites, no arguments, just “You are a….”
Look at the name-calling. Not just abbreviations of nyms, but how CONs address us “libruhls” in this forum. (That “Nathaniel” boy has, unwittingly, revealed a lot of his monkey-related sexual fantasies simply in addressing me. And many CONs seem to have a sodomite predilection when addressing “BlueJay.” Do the math.)
What is really odd to me is how many CONs who participate in WE Blog think stuff like…
“Baloney Jed”
…somehow wins them points, much less the argument.
“Ahhh, why bother. Just use abortions for birth control.”
Yeah, the inconvenience of birth control pills, IUD’s, condoms, patches, etc is far outweighed by the convenience of stopping at Walgreen’s and picking up a $1,000 – $5,000 abortion.
sarcasm/
Ant,
“Hey Jed,
Did you ever tell any of those ladies, “Next time stay off your back”?”
Nope, my mother taught me to respect women, unlike those on the other side of the line. Such a comments were the staples of the fundies.
Monkeyhawk
Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
“outlander” contributes to the substantive debate on WE Blog with –
“Baloney Jed.”
Well who can argue with that?
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I suppose you could type out a rambling whine filled statement and post it on WEBlog….Kinda like you did.
“ANTI” tries –
“I suppose you could type out a rambling whine filled statement and post it on WEBlog….Kinda like you did.”
Baloney, “ANTI.”
I win!
Baloney, “ANTI.”
I win!
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Salomi!
I win.
What is really odd to me is how many CONs who participate in WE Blog think stuff like…
“Baloney Jed”
…somehow wins them points, much less the argument.
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Baloney says it all. Jed is a well meaning guy who has a tendency to embellish his personal experiences…, OK, he makes stuff up. Thus I began referring to Jed when he was one of his rolls, as Jed – TOTT (Teller Of Tall Tales).
Incidentally, I don’t think my comment was directed to a Monkeyhawk, or I would have found out a way to show how much I dislike the cyber character. At least that’s what Monkey thinks.
I think arguing processed meats makes as much sense as most of the ahem, bull that comes from the left here.
outlander
Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Permalink
I think arguing processed meats makes as much sense as most of the ahem, bull that comes from the left here.
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Yep.
Outie,
I realize this is completely beyond your realm of consciousness, but some of us have lives, keep our eyes open and don’t need to embellish our experiences. The real world suffices nicely.
ANTI
Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
Hey Jed,
Did you ever tell any of those ladies, “Next time stay off your back”?
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Or tell the ladies or the guys to use:
Before pill
After pill
Patch
IUD
Rubber
So many other options to Abortion, but Sex For Dummies in the Puclik Schools ain’t helpin.
ANTI
Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
Hey Jed,
Did you ever tell any of those ladies, “Next time stay off your back”?
(pssst…Anti, there are other positions. http://www.kamasutra.com)
JimJohnson
Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:51 pm | Permalink
ANTI
Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
Hey Jed,
Did you ever tell any of those ladies, “Next time stay off your back”?
(pssst…Anti, there are other positions. http://www.kamasutra.com)
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So you are saying if she’s on top she can still get pregnant?
You better let the LIBs know right away!!
“We are raising our son to be a knight. One who values principles, respects women and treats them like a lady should be treated. It is not an easy task in this corrupt and selfish culture.”—outlander
And may GOD help you in that divine endeavor.
“Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.” <>
Your belief and effort is the antithesis to the secular liberal way of life. Fight them!!!
Jed: I already have my knight and we have our own big happy family at home complete with a dog.
By the way, I also have a college education, but am rather busy raising my family right now along with helping them and others in a youth organization. Sure I am dependent on my husband. He also depends on me. We divide the labor, work hard and have a great time with our children.
Deb:
Not every woman finds her knight. Some clearly do, as you seem to have done. So, celebrate it and rejoice in it! (No jealousy on my part – it makes frown lines appear on my face. And wrinkles appear on my countenance. And my breasts mindmeld with my navel, if a certain Phelps progeny is to be believed.)
Vanity – thy name is FilmFan.
Give us a break: Some of us kissed princes – and some of us smooched the son of Satan. Some of us haven’t been raped – and others of us experienced that delightful introduction to the world of sexuality. And, oh, what a blessing that was.
In 1991, my brilliant big brother said of people like yourself: “I respect those people! I recognize those people! I pray for those people! But that ain’t all people!”
And it sure as hellola ain’t me – not by a frigging longshot.
Say Anti, there’s top, bottom, upside down, sideways, frontways, backways, standing, sitting, crawling, kneeling, etc….
Not just top and bottom.
This isn’t your Father’s Oldsmobile!
Whoops! Never mind. Olds is gone and so is GM now!
“We are raising our son to be a knight. One who values principles, respects women and treats them like a lady should be treated. It is not an easy task in this corrupt and selfish culture.”
I am raising MY son to realize that women are devalued by treating them as delicate, stupid, or dependent on men. “Rescue” missions are unwise. Relationships should be partnerships, not codependencies.
P.S.
I ALSO told my son that if he ever meets a girl who says a baby “is a gift from God not to be trifled with”, he should run like he11.
Deb,
I’ve known several women who found their knight too. And several who lost theirs, one way or another. That happens too, and if you’ve been dependent on your knight for too long, you won’t have the skills to survive. You won’t have a way to make a living, you won’t know how to make it alone, your only options will be to find yourself someone else to depend on or live in poverty and neglect.
Ant,
“So you are saying if she’s on top she can still get pregnant?”
Nope, if she’s on top, you might!
Jimbo,
“Or tell the ladies or the guys to use:
Before pill
After pill
Patch
IUD
Rubber”
Do you have any idea how many of the same people who want to ban abortion also want all those banned? Lots!
Jimbo,
By the way, I’ve been a vocal advocate of birth control ever since the pill was announced back in 1960.
Jed, I prefer to loose my life in loving of my husband and children. As a family we are able to serve others with joy.
I actually work hard at home honing skills which are desired by many an employer as I serve my children.