Von Brunn would be mainstream in Middle East

Lone Wolf Terrorists“James W. von Brunn was quickly segregated from the American mainstream and designated the crackpot he is,” columnist Richard Cohen wrote about the alleged U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum shooter. “In the Middle East, though, he would be no such thing — not some sort of reptilian vestige of the past but an ordinary man and therefore an extraordinary threat to the future.” Cohen noted how “in vast parts of the Islamic world, too many people not only deny the Holocaust but embrace the thinking that made it possible.” He argued that “if Arab leaders do not attempt to rebut and eliminate the hatred of Jews that is poisoning their societies, they will find that the peace that most of them undoubtedly want will not be possible.”

102 Comments

  1. Posted June 17, 2009 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Well duh. Do they really pay Richard Cohen to come up with such weak material?

  2. JWink
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    According to news reports at the time of the murder of Dr. Tiller, this fellow Von Brunn lived in Merriam, Ks. Merriam is a Johnson County suburb, straddling I-35, boxed in by Overland Park, Shawnee, Lenexa and bordered on the north by Kansas City, Kansas.

    Having friends there, I asked where he lived in Merriam. They said local newspapers reported Von Brunn merely rented a room in a suburban Merriam home. Neighbors said they rarely saw him.

    My guess is the 88 year old Von Brunn would tell you his life is better now in jail/prison, with three meals a day and TV, than before in his mentally agonizing existence.

  3. JWink
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    Sorry, that’s what I get for blogging too swiftly. I got these two shooters confused. The Tiller murderer was Scott Roeder, age 51, “from Merriam.”

    Von Brunn was the shooter in the Holocaust museum in Washington D.C.

    But my main point is these society’s derelicts will probably have a better life in prison than they were having in real life agonizing over imagined enemies of society.

  4. JimJohnson
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    JWink
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 7:02 am | Permalink
    According to news reports at the time of the murder of Dr. Tiller, this fellow Von Brunn lived in Merriam, Ks.

    =================

    Von Brunn lived in Merriam, KS?

  5. JimJohnson
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Ok JWink, you had me confused too.

    Agree with your point. Both shooters are likely better off in prison.

  6. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Reading this blog will tell you that von brunn would be mainstream in most of Wichita too. Particularly the churches.

  7. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    “I got these two shooters confused. ”

    Nothing to apologize for JWink, that was the intention of the editors.

    Another thread to get libs riled up thinking all crazy people are part of a republican secret plot to undermine the youth of liberal America.

    Is the world so short of material to talk about?

  8. Mr_Kia
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Not only mainstream, elections would be fixed to keep him in power.

  9. ANTI
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    I see the Left-wing Extremist KFG is back here posting her hate speech.

  10. writerdog
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Richard Cohen is one of those intellectual Neo-Conservatives, their latest attempt at legitimacy is to say that anyone that is blaming them is anti-Semitic. Here is an attempt to say that because Von-Brunn had them on a list of those who he hated and blamed. Then if you too blame them for leading the United States into the invasion of Iraq and the violations of the Constitution. Then you also hate Jews and are a nut.
    There are some Neo-Conservatives, though it is not a pre-requirement are of the opinion if the choice is between Israel and the United States. They would desire the destruction of the U.S. if it meant the survival of Israel.

    Cohen mentioned the history of the last 2000 years, but fail to speak of the relationship that Jews and Christians had with the Arab world. They were given second class status but overall were treated decent.
    Better then Jews were treated at the same time in Europe and later in the United States. But again his intent was not to discuss the topic it was to bring guilt by association.

  11. BlueJay
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    “Reading this blog will tell you that von brunn would be mainstream in most of Wichita too. Particularly the churches.”

    AND also in most rural areas of red states. particularly in the south.

  12. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Sensationalism.

    Nothing to see here folks other than BrownLib’s attempt to divide people.

    A single act, by a single nutcase, whose goal in life was to spread hate.

    How many other people were murdered in the United States on the same day, Von Brunn took a life?

    Was the man or woman who was slain by violence means for nothing more than greed for the motive any less news worthy or any less consequential?

    particles particles everywhere,
    is that snow or dandruff from my hair?

    perspective ah perspective,
    it dwells in the past
    awaiting someone to pick up a pencil
    and write their ballad or book,
    categorizing the taint and stacking the hate in a neat little pile

  13. GMC70
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Duh.

    And KFG and JR are demonstrated to be as ignorant – and as bigoted – as they accuse others of being.

  14. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    “Nothing to see here folks other than BrownLib’s attempt to divide people.”

    Really?

    Then if not dividing, what is that Coulter, Savage, Limbaugh, O’Rielly, Hannity, Fox News, etc, do?

    Bring us together as Americans?

  15. BlueJay
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    That gets you about a 7 in con gymnastics there GMC.

    Proclaiming those who deplore bigots and narrow minded people bigots themselves? Guilty. I’ve no tolerance for intolerance.

  16. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    “Bring us together as Americans?”

    That’s right WSClark. Come on over!

  17. Mr_Kia
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    When did anti-semitism get labeled with conservatives?
    The Nazi party were Socialists.

  18. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    “Come on over!”

    I guess it is okay to divide as long as you do it from the RIGHT side.

    “The Nazi party were Socialists.”

    No they weren’t. They may have had the word “socialist” in their name, but they were far from being socialists. Not even close. Hitler himself was a virulent anti-Communist. Socialists, along with communists were rounded up and sent to concentration camps along with Jews, Gypsies, intellectuals and gays.

  19. SolDevVB
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    all crazy people are part of a republican secret plot to undermine the youth of liberal America.

    But…but..but… that’s what they told us in the meetings.

    Oh damnit. The first rule of fight club is…

  20. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    “Mr_Kia” trots out the old –

    “The Nazis were socialists.” meme.

    And Saddam Hussein’s private shock troops were called The REPUBLICAN Guard.

  21. Mr_Kia
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    What’s funny is how many of you defend socialists.

  22. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    “I guess it is okay to divide as long as you do it from the RIGHT side.”

    If you think about what you posted, someone could easily say the same thing about the left? There are plenty of media outlets providing the ammunition.

    I’m also concerned about your use of the word “divide”. That is politically popular right now. It’s what’s for dinner. But each “side” is trying to attack more members to their own team. They do that by telling you that their tuna tastes better and/or by telling you that the other tuna tastes bad. Regardless, the goal is to gain membership. Now. You being a member of Team “B”, you see any threat to your team as an attempt to “divide” your team up. But that’s not an attempt to destroy the NFL. It’s to make another team stronger.

  23. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    attack =attract

  24. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    “What’s funny is how many of you defend socialists.”

    Let’s see, pointing out that Nazi’s were NOT socialists equals “defend(s) socialists.”

    Okay. Guilty.

  25. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    “If you think about what you posted, someone could easily say the same thing about the left?”

    Of course, but I was responding to this:

    “Nothing to see here folks other than BrownLib’s attempt to divide people.”

  26. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Why Nazi’s are socialists, just like the O’Bama administration.

    – price and wage controls
    – inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works
    – ideology stressed the failure of democracy, failure of laissez-faire capitalism
    – advocate for the murder of Jews
    – believed that Social Welfare was the business of the State
    – complete control of industry and financial institutions
    – transition of anything religious into secular strong holds
    – idea of a classless society, ruled by intellectual elitism
    – everything is for the ‘State’

  27. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    KFG throws out this lie:

    “Reading this blog will tell you that von brunn would be mainstream in most of Wichita too. Particularly the churches.”

    Huh?

    The Christians have proved to be some of the biggest supporters of Jewish people. In fact, BJ has spent many posts attacking us for our support of the Jews in Israel based on them being God’s people.

    Then he turns around and agrees with KFG on this absurd claim?

    You will say anything you can to defame Christians whether it is even close to the truth or not KFG.

  28. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    “advocate for the murder of Jews”

    Let’s take just this one line from your post, Regular. Explain:

    How does the Obama administration advocate the murder of Jews?

  29. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Same sheet of music. (As long as it’s Zappa, Zeppelin, Hendrix, CSNY, or The Who)

  30. satatom
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    OK Nathaniel…Jews worship the same God as you and are “saved” just like you. Right?

  31. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    “You will say anything you can to defame Christians whether it is even close to the truth or not KFG.”

    And you took the bait.

  32. BlueJay
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “The Christians have proved to be some of the biggest supporters of Jewish people.”

    ONLY in the sense as fulfills their agenda. The Christians can’t get to heaven without the Jews.

    But then the Jews don’t get in. Neat huh?

    I’m glad I don’t have to try and figure that one out.

  33. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    same God = yes
    are “saved” = maybe yes, but not “just like”

  34. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Von Brunn NE mainstream christians

    My 8:03 AM post has been more than confirmed.

    I had a V8.

  35. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    “advocate for the murder of Jews”

    Let’s take just this one line from your post, Regular. Explain:

    How does the Obama administration advocate the murder of Jews?
    ————————
    Instead of harshly dealing with organizations like the state sponsored terrorism organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, the O’Bama administrations sits on their hands and emphatically blames the Jews in Israel compounding the problem by making settlements in their own lands.

    Of course, I noticed Clark, you ignored the rest of the list because:

    (1) It is shockingly similar to the O’Bama plan for absolute reign
    (2) It requires thinking to dispute it.

    With the Jewish question, you can just wing it with a few expletives, all righties are bigots and blah blah.

  36. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “idea of a classless society, ruled by intellectual elitism”

    The Nazi’s were anti-intellectual and, in fact, routinely rounded up intellectuals for incarceration.

    And they certainly didn’t believe in a classless society, believing instead in the superiority of the “Aryan race.”

  37. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Satatom and BlueJay,

    Irrelevant to KFG’s claim. Neither of those have anything to do with “hating” Jews and being a Holocaust denier or even being a white supremacist.

  38. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    “idea of a classless society, ruled by intellectual elitism”

    The Nazi’s were anti-intellectual and, in fact, routinely rounded up intellectuals for incarceration.

    And they certainly didn’t believe in a classless society, believing instead in the superiority of the “Aryan race.”
    —————-
    Nice job, you just defeated your own argument.

  39. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    “With the Jewish question, you can just wing it with a few expletives, all righties are bigots and blah blah.”

    Nice try.

    If you put any thought into the Israeli/Palestinian issue, you would understand that the only solution is a two-state compromise. The Jews, the Arab and the Palestinians are not going to go away. The solution is not more Jewish settlements in violation of previous accords.

  40. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    “Nice job, you just defeated your own argument.”

    Huh?

    “price and wage controls”

    What price and wage controls has Obama implemented?

  41. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    “With the Jewish question, you can just wing it with a few expletives, all righties are bigots and blah blah.”

    Nice try.

    If you put any thought into the Israeli/Palestinian issue, you would understand that the only solution is a two-state compromise. The Jews, the Arab and the Palestinians are not going to go away. The solution is not more Jewish settlements in violation of previous accords.
    ——————
    Smarter people than you and I have been putting thought into the Israeli-Palestinian situation for years with no solution in sight.

    Having a state ran by a terrorist leader for decades (Yassir Araft) and under the thumb of Iran (Hamas and Hezbollah) will never provide a solution for Palestine.

  42. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    “complete control of industry and financial institutions”

    Which industries or financial institutions has Obama controlled that DIDN’T REQUEST ASSISTANCE?

  43. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    “transition of anything religious into secular strong holds”

    How? What has Obama done in any regard that harmed religion in America?

  44. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    “Nice job, you just defeated your own argument.”

    Huh?

    “price and wage controls”

    What price and wage controls has Obama implemented?
    —————————————–
    – Ownership of private car companies
    – setting of executive salary (the salary Czar)
    – reducing previous stockholder control (like pension plan investors) from having any say in the company
    – The hamstringing of Union control to set their own salary (secret ballot destroyed)
    – Character assassination on all executives who receive bonuses.

    Okay Clark, let’s not play 50 questions. If you can’t do your own research, then stop asking questions that have obvious answers.

  45. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    “transition of anything religious into secular strong holds”

    How? What has Obama done in any regard that harmed religion in America?
    ————-
    Again, do your own research.

    Stop using the ‘Scooby Doo’ approach to discussion by going:

    “Huh?”

  46. satatom
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    “price and wage controls”

    I guess Nixon was a Nazi according to Reguliar.

  47. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    “believed that Social Welfare was the business of the State”

    The social safety net was first constructed in the 30’s and has been continued under both Republican and Democratic administrations. Were they Nazi’s also?

  48. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    “believed that Social Welfare was the business of the State”

    The social safety net was first constructed in the 30’s and has been continued under both Republican and Democratic administrations. Were they Nazi’s also?
    ——————–
    That’s not an answer, that’s a statement of opinion, which happens to be wrong. Democrats held power for 40 consecutive years in Congress and made the ‘nanny state’ a permanent leech sucking appendage.

  49. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    “Okay Clark, let’s not play 50 questions. If you can’t do your own research, then stop asking questions that have obvious answers.”

    Nice try, Regular, but to use your own logic, previously posted, if you make a claim, then it is up to you to back it up.

    As for research? I’ll say again…………

    “Which industries or financial institutions has Obama controlled that DIDN’T REQUEST ASSISTANCE?”

    Obama didn’t forcibly take over banks and car companies, they requested that the government intervene. Further, Obama did not take over Chrysler, they have been purchased by Fiat. He didn’t take over GM, they filed for bankruptcy.

  50. SolDevVB
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    The social safety net was first constructed in the 30’s and has been continued under both Republican and Democratic administrations. Were they Nazi’s also?

    Yes. And WS, you too are a nazi racist. ;~>

  51. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Funny how the conservatives try to paint the Nazis as liberal. Is that their way of saying that they are to the right of the Nazis? Or are they trying to say that the Chinese are Republicans because it’s the People’s Republic of China? Or maybe they think the Nazis are really Communist because they used the color red for their swastika. Or maybe the Nazis are really Buddhist because they used the swastika.

    Oh the ignorant reasoning of the conservatives will never end. Next thing you know they’ll be worshipping a cab driver when they find out his name is Jesus. They must instantly assume that he’s the messiah because his name is Jesus so he must be God’s only son.

  52. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    “that’s a statement of opinion”

    Opinion?

    It is a fact that FDR began the social safety net in the 30’s and it has continued under both Dem and GOP administrations ever since.

    No opining about it, just fact.

  53. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    The truth is that the Nazi’s incorporated many political influences but were much more closely defined as being fascists.

  54. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    “Democrats held power for 40 consecutive years in Congress”

    Do you believe in a democratic republic, Regular?

  55. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    “Okay Clark, let’s not play 50 questions. If you can’t do your own research, then stop asking questions that have obvious answers.”

    Nice try, Regular, but to use your own logic, previously posted, if you make a claim, then it is up to you to back it up.

    As for research? I’ll say again…………

    “Which industries or financial institutions has Obama controlled that DIDN’T REQUEST ASSISTANCE?”

    Obama didn’t forcibly take over banks and car companies, they requested that the government intervene. Further, Obama did not take over Chrysler, they have been purchased by Fiat. He didn’t take over GM, they filed for bankruptcy.
    —————————
    Wrong again.

    There is a huge difference in getting government loans and having the government take over one of the largest private companies in the world.

    Remember this?
    President Obama fired GM CEO Richard Wagoner.

    WTF. I mean, tell me that didn’t happen where the Board of Directors and stockholders have ZERO SAY in a company – instead decisions are made by a government bureaucrat.

    The Obama administration now becomes GM’s regulator, tax collector, customer, lender, and owner.

  56. Regular
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    #
    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    “Democrats held power for 40 consecutive years in Congress”

    Do you believe in a democratic republic, Regular?
    ————
    Again with the questions, do your own research.

  57. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    “Character assassination on all executives who receive bonuses.”

    Nope, just the ones that requested government assistance and then awarded themselves large bonuses.

  58. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    “reducing previous stockholder control (like pension plan investors) from having any say in the company”

    Wrong again – they had an opportunity, they declined, GM filed bankruptcy.

  59. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    “President Obama fired GM CEO Richard Wagoner.”

    Yep, “ya’ want government assistance for your company, Rick? Well, then, you gotta go, chump.”

    Had GM been viable, then could have gone down to the local branch of Bank of America and picked up a loan.

    Having worked for a bankrupt company that was taken over by the state, THEY get to make the decision as to who runs the company.

  60. ANTI
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    This thread is about the majority of people in the M. East hating Jews, not how much LIBs in America hate Jews.

  61. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    “Again with the questions, do your own research.”

    I am doing my research, I asked you a question.

  62. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    When GM asked for assistance it was provided as a bailout. No strings attached.

    Only after the fact did the Obama administration start talking about caps on pay and all the other various government controls.

    Which is why you seen many of the banks scrambling to pay back the money the government at first, was forcing them to keep.

    The liberals gave with one hand while slipping the other hand in and taking after the fact.

  63. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    “This thread is about the majority of people in the M. East hating Jews, not how much LIBs in America hate Jews.”

    Of course they hate Jews. In 1948 the UN carved out a Jewish Homeland in what had been Arab territory. The trick is now, what to do about it?

    How about a Palestinian Homeland?

  64. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    How far back do you want to go calling it “what had been Arab territory?”

    The Jews lived there quite a long time ago as well and were living there before 1948.

  65. SolDevVB
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Of course they hate Jews. In 1948 the UN carved out a Jewish Homeland in what had been Arab territory. The trick is now, what to do about it?

    Give Kansas to the Jewish. No one else wants it ;~>

  66. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    “Give Kansas to the Jewish.”

    Rumor has it that they tried. The Jews wouldn’t take it.

  67. ANTI
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Of course they hate Jews. In 1948 the UN carved out a Jewish Homeland in what had been Arab territory. The trick is now, what to do about it?

    How about a Palestinian Homeland?
    ========================================

    Great!

    Now can I have my ‘Homeland’ back?

  68. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Nevermind the fact that the Arabs have tried several times now to attack Israel and have lost.

    Israel at this point has given back land over and over again which it rightfully gained as a victor in war.

    Yet the “arabs” want more.

    Until the “arabs” can agree to the existence of Israel why should Israel agree to any Palestinian state?

  69. SolDevVB
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:00 am | Permalink
    “Give Kansas to the Jewish.”

    Rumor has it that they tried. The Jews wouldn’t take it.
    _________________________________________________________________

    They tried to give Michigan back to the Indians. They said “You took the sucker deal, you’re stuck with it.”

  70. StevenEDavis
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    “I’ve no tolerance for intolerance.”

    Notice the paradox, JR?

  71. Jed
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Nathan,
    The government has been taking over, recapitalizing, running, selling and closing insolvent banks under the FDIC since the 1930’s. What’s different here is that banks are begging for taxpayer money in huge amounts (after losing it to their own scam) and then complaining because there are strings attached to some of it! The government’s allowing any of these slimy execs their jobs and their golden parachutes and bonuses after such a debacle is the crime here.

  72. wichhick
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    ws clark………………..gm(?) took the money (required to do so?) …………..and the unions gained (obama payback?),,,,,,,,,,,,THEN declared bankruptcy

  73. wichhick
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    clark ..the palestines were offered a homeland in 1948………thay refused as long as jews were next door………..read your history…………..

  74. wichhick
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    hug………….clark can’t read…………………quick………..somebody help

  75. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    “read your history”

    I know my history, the UN took land from the Arabs and gave it to the Jews, out of guilt for the Holocaust.

    “(required to do so?)”

    Obama forced GM to take the money? If Wagoner hadn’t run the company into the ground, they wouldn’t have NEEDED the money.

    “and the unions gained (obama payback?)”

    The UAW made major concessions in return for a portion of the company.

    “THEN declared bankruptcy”

    They declared bankruptcy because they couldn’t strike a deal with suppliers for equity for debt.

    Happens everyday in business.

  76. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    “clark can’t read”

    Actually, I read at a higher (measured) than 95th percentile level, but thanks for the kind words.

  77. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    “I know my history, the UN took land from the Arabs and gave it to the Jews, out of guilt for the Holocaust.”

    A very very huge oversimplification of the facts and history surrounding the formation of Israel.

  78. wichhick
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    ws……..so the palestines were offerred a country (taken from the arabs?)……and they refused…………agree?

  79. Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    - ideology stressed the failure of democracy, failure of laissez-faire capitalism

    - advocate for the murder of Jews

    - believed that Social Welfare was the business of the State

    - complete control of industry and financial institutions

    - idea of a classless society, ruled by intellectual elitism

    - everything is for the ‘State’
    ================================ [Regular]

    Let’s take these one at a time… since all Regular did was cut/paste —-

    Point # 1 — Obama did NOT stress the failure of Democracy… He depended on Democracy, in order to even get the Party’s nomination… let alone being elected POTUS…

    Hitler depended on the SUCCESS – Not failure of laissez-faire capitalism — Without a strong capitalistic economy, Hitler could not have provided the production for the means of his vitriolic hatred of all things “Non Aryan” — He needed the strong sense of capitalistic competition to BUILD his war machine!!

    Point # 2 — PLEASE, Regular… PLEASE show ANY where that Obama has advocated for the murder of Jews… Cant do it, can ya… ID 10 t

    Point # 3 — Hitler believed that Social Welfare was the business of the State… as long as those benefitting were of the proper “race” — cf., Concentraation camps for Jews, Gypsies, Gays, etc., etc.

    Obama believes that Social Welfare is for the benefit of the PEOPLE… “Where there is no vision, the PEOPLE(not the State) Perish.”

    Point # 4 — Actually, Hitler never took control of financial institutions or industry… He duped them into supporting his policies/plans for the Third Reich…

    Obama has not taken CONTROL of either industry OR financial institutions… FDIC has been around for years before Obama… Such a stupid comparison attempt is pure Screed…. Something only the wing nuts will believe, since they stopped listening to straight facts long ago….

    Please note — Loans, or financial “bailouts” are not CONTROL… more a means of regulation…. hardly ownership…. Especially Chrysler and Gen. Mtrs.

    Point # 5 — The Germans under Hitler were anything BUT a classless society… The ranking system of the Reich is very well documented… The entire class of “yellow star” Jews, and others were a class all of their own… marked for DEATH… Aryans were a Class… and the Military structure was a Class of society different from all others…. And, even within the Military Structure… Classes of people… SS, Gestapo… Normal Soldiers, etc. All of which had their own Classd in the Military hierarchy…

    As for intellectual elitism?? Intellectuals were one of the Classes marked for death or incarceration… Their books were burned… Their University positions were either eliminated, or replaced with Nazi Party hard liners… Their books were burned… Ever SEE a book burning???

    You wont see book burnings by Obama, or any other occupant of the White House… You MIGHT see book burnings by some of the Right Wing Extremists in OUR country… like those wackos that have Harry Potter book burnings every time a new book comes out… I have personally seen TWO such book burnings… both in Church parking lots….

    Point # 6 — Hitler believed everything was for the State(translate Reich)…

    In this country, Republican or Democraat… all is for the PEOPLE… Please remember those words….

    “WE THE PEOPLE, in order to form a more perfect union….”

    NEVER forget that what we do HERE is for the PEOPLE…. ALL the people… regardless of Party, or Religion, or Class… These United States are FOR the PEOPLE…. NEVER forget that very simple, and yet so blasted complicated, TRUTH….

    It is FAR PAST the time to label Obama as a NAZI… or a MUSLIM… or a KENYAN…

    The time now, is for AMERICANS to unite… and see the vision, instead of putting on the hateful, and fearful blinders of despair, and half-truths, and LIES….

    It is time to take back the Spirit of America, from the hands and lips of the hate and fear mongers that only have the goal of tearing apart this, the greatest experiment in democratic government…. A government planned, and plotted on the grounds of intellectual pursuits, and not a government carved out through tyranny, and mob rule… Let it shine like the beacon that it is… So that the world will see… and learn….

  80. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    “so the palestines were offerred a country (taken from the arabs?)”

    Palestinians are Arabs and the land in question was already theirs – from their POV. You may recall that Jerusalem is a holy city for Muslims, Jews and Christians.

  81. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    “wichhick” –

    Sheesh.

    Palestinians are Arabic.

    The territory around Jerusalem were part of the old Ottoman Empire and were under the control of Brits after WWI.

    Given that Jerusalem is considered a “Holy” city by three major faiths, it was proposed that a Jewish state and a Palestinian state divide that old Ottoman territory and Jerusalem be an “International City.”

    (Okay, that didn’t work out so well in Berlin or Vienna, but that was the diplomatic fashion of the day. And it sorta seemed to make sense at the time. The Palestinians objected and the war for Israel’s independence made the Jews intransigent. Now they refused to share Jerusalem. Pick your enemies carefully, for you will become like them.”)

    The founders of Israel were skilled terrorists in 1948.

    Golda Meir planted bombs. Moche Dayan’s eye-patch wasn’t a fashion statement.

  82. wichhick
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    monkless, ws……did the palestines refuse to have a country of their own….or not………….simple question

  83. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    “did the palestines refuse to have a country of their own”

    If I stole your car and offered to give you the tires back, would you call that a good deal.

  84. wichhick
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    ws………………….answer the question

  85. WSClark
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    “answer the question”

    I did. The Palestinians considered the land to be theirs – from their POV – it could not be given to them – it was already theirs – hence the conflict.

  86. Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I refuse to accept the defeatist attitude that says a Palestinian State is impossible to achieve… between BOTH sides… working together… Perhaps if they tied something along economic lines?? Increased revenues?? for BOTH Israel and a Palestinian State??

    I believe it can be done… I also believe it will happen between THEM… not between US and them, or Iran and THEM, just between THEM…

    Seems to me the job of outsider nations should be to try to facilitate meetings, and such… not to RUN those meetings…

  87. wichhick
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    ws……….so since they would not accept the offer of their own country, and became ill-treated refugees in the neighboring arab countries (by arabs)……they as then are without their own country……………sounds like they made that choice…….isn’t it all about choice………

  88. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    “Chas” –

    It seems just one of those matters — not all that unlike Northern Ireland was — where it will depend on people from both sides deciding to not want to kill each other any longer.

  89. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    WS Clark,

    No land was “stolen”

    And again, you oversimplfy a situation with a great deal of history behind it.

  90. Nathaniel
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    How do you propose a two state solution while one of the states continues to advocate the total desturction of the other?

  91. ANTI
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Arabs do not play well with others.

  92. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    I have a right to Alaska. When I was a child, my parents bought me 1 square inch of Alaska. Took a bunch of cereal box tops and postage. I suspect my one inch is directly under one of those oil rigs and a pipe is filling it.

    I believe the United Nations should intervene on my behalf.

  93. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Palin is an Alaskan Zionist. She needs to be forced to give me my land.

  94. American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Dear United Nations,

    Please help me get my land back. It is mine. I have a right to it. 50 some years ago my parents sent in some Kellogs boxtops for my homeland.

    The Alaskans will not give it back. They are building settlements on my square inch of homeland.

    Please Mr. United Nations, I am appealing to your sense of fairness, and your Obama almighty.

    If you comply, I will not strap bombs on the great grandchildren who will be born in about twenty years and send them into your populated areas. This is justified because my homeland is one square inch of Alaska. Further, my offsprings offspring to be (circa 2020 or so), will not fire mortars and missles at you.

    We have rights! We cereal consumers of the 1950’s deserve our just due.

    We want you to tell the zionist Alaskans to let my people go.

    Sincerely,

    Kelloggs eater

  95. ANTI
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I just noticed something,

    Von Brunn looks a lot like Pelosi.

  96. donndublin
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    #
    ANTI
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I just noticed something,

    Von Brunn looks a lot like Pelosi.
    _____________

    I think he looks more like Obama’s grandfather.

  97. donndublin
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Dear United Nations,

    Please help me get my land back. It is mine. I have a right to it. 50 some years ago my parents sent in some Kellogs boxtops for my homeland…..

    ____________

    Damn I shoulda ate Kelloggs instead of Post Rasin Brand.

  98. Boxlock20
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    “I just noticed something,
    Von Brunn looks a lot like Pelosi.”

    Oh come on Anti….he is far better looking than Pelosi and probably more moral.

  99. BlueJay
    Posted June 17, 2009 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Bawksy identifies with the murdering bigot.

    Me and kfg ….

    TOLD ya!

  100. Skeptic
    Posted June 18, 2009 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    Holocaust denial is a grand American sport, indulged in by neo-Nazis and their allies in the world, such as Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Sheriff Joe has been regularly reelected in Phoenix where he has been waging a war against minorities.

    If Cohen is worried Arab-Israeli relations, perhaps he should think, if only for a moment, how Israel’s savagery in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank has affected those relations. Constant, massive land thefts have been a central part of the Israeli government’s policy of “lebensraum,” importing “settlers” to displace the legitimate occupants of land their families have owned and cultivated for hundreds of years or longer.

    Perhaps Cohen should also consider his support for an illegal invasion and occupation of a nation whose leader, however odious, allowed religious diversity, and which diversity has been largely eliminated by our occupation government. Cohen did admit, finally, that his touting for launching an illegal invasion was wrong, too late for a million dead and four million Iraqi refugees to take much solcace in his change of heart.

    Finally, the person best known for Holocaust denial is Ahmadinejad, who is not an Arab at all, and would have been unlikely to have risen to power had not George Bush claimed that the then-increasingly moderate elected government of Iran was part of an “Axis of Evil.” That government was deposed in an election Bush swayed to the current hard liner.

  101. Nathaniel
    Posted June 18, 2009 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio “waging a war on minorities”

    Where do you get that garbage from?

    He enforces the law against ILLEGAL immigrants. Nothing more, nothing less.

    I guess another liberal idiot is just what the blog needed…

  102. Phantom
    Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Von Brunn would be main stream in the Middle West! Ahhhhhh Kansas.