Some Americans are willing to overlook or justify the torture of terrorism detainees. But what if we torture the wrong person? President Bush said in 2002 that Abu Zubaydah was “al-Qaida’s chief of operations.” The CIA held him in a secret prison and waterboarded him 83 times. But officials eventually determined that Zubaydah, though a “fixer” for radical Muslim ideologues, was not a member of al-Qaida and not one of its leaders. According to a transcript of Zubaydah’s hearing that was released this week, he said that officials told him, “Sorry, we discover that you are not No. 3, not a partner, not even a fighter.”
In 2007, the Canadian government agreed to pay $9 million to a Canadian engineer who was seized by U.S. officials and taken to Syria, where he was tortured before officials realized they had the wrong man.
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Mr. Brownlee: I question whether water boarding rises to the level of “torture” or is just part of the normal prisoner inquiry system. Coddling those whose intent is to damage free society everywhere is what is not acceptable.
“JWink” greets the morning with –
“…I question whether water boarding rises to the level of “torture” or is just part of the normal prisoner inquiry system.”
Talk to “Mancow” Muller. Talk to Christopher Hitchens. Talk to Sean Hannity. (Oh wait….)
If water-boarding is “normal prisoner inquiry” why don’t the police use it in criminal investigations? Why isn’t that “normal inquiry” used in congressional hearings?
I mean, c’mon.
The process begins with strapping a person to a board. That in itself, without a bucket of water entered into the equation, is offense against individual rights.
And it doesn’t work!
You have to be pretty sadistic to think, “83rd time’s a charm.”
Conservative radio talk show host Mancow didn’t think water boarding was torture, but he had the balls to get water boarded. It didn’t take him long to be convinced it is torture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0
The pro-torture nuts on this forum don’t have the courage to get tortured, but that’s not surprising.
maggot.i have no intention of getting waterboarded……for some reason you have a fear that you might
maybe frank and dodd and pelosi would tell the truth then?
wichhick,
Duh leftist libs would love to get water-boarded by the government, absolutely love it. Then they could hire an ambulance chaser er I mean attorney, appear in court with a neck and back brace, a few psychiatrists and a seeing eye dog.
Duh leftist libs so much wanna play the victim.
Sheat happens in life.
We screw up – we pay in those cases.
Next…
MonkeyHawk has it right!
Once or twice without getting any information but 83? A little sadistic?
“Water boardin’ ? What’s all this fuss ’bout water boardin’? Jeeez, I do it evry time I dive into my pool and it doesnt hurt a bit!” GWB
“The process begins with strapping a person to a board. That in itself, without a bucket of water entered into the equation, is offense against individual rights. ”
I feel the same way about a doctor pulling a babies head to the entrance of the birth canal, cracking open the babies head, and suctioning out the babies brain.
“The process begins with strapping a person to a board. That in itself, without a bucket of water entered into the equation, is offense against individual rights. ”
I feel the same way about a doctor pulling a babies head to the entrance of the birth canal, cracking open the babies head, and suctioning out the babies brain.
1. What is torture?
2. What if we fail to torture the right person?
American_Way
Posted June 18, 2009 at 10:02 am | Permalink
“The process begins with strapping a person to a board. That in itself, without a bucket of water entered into the equation, is offense against individual rights. ”
I feel the same way about a doctor pulling a babies head to the entrance of the birth canal, cracking open the babies head, and suctioning out the babies brain.
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Well if THAT isn’t torture, then I’d like to see those who think it isn’t torture to volunteer to go through this!
As someone said and/or quoted, “The process begins with strapping a person to a board.”
This, of course, is for the safety and comfort of the person. It’s to secure the person to the board so he/she doesn’t slide off onto a cold, damp floor.
As far as I know, no one who has been water boarded has body marks as a result or has drowned in the process.
Skate boarding is likely more dangerous. Neither begins to equal the horrific torture meted out by the sadistic detainee to his American prisoners. Be supremely happy you weren’t at his disposal when his torture of Americans occured.
““Sorry, we discover that you are not No. 3, not a partner, not even a fighter.”
“Innocent until proven guilty? We don’t need no stinking innocent until proven guilty!”
“As far as I know, no one who has been water boarded has body marks as a result or has drowned in the process. ”
We have a blogger here experienced with the procedure and certified in CPR.
Are you volunteering?
I feel the same way about a doctor pulling a babies head to the entrance of the birth canal, cracking open the babies head, and suctioning out the babies brain.
you living in the 1940’s?
Partial Birth abortion procedure with pictures.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/diagram.html
Regular,
Aren’t you one of the posters who complains everyday that there is a Dr. Tiller thread?
reggie,
Like diagrams? Here you go!
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0601/circumcise.html
Daniel
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:08 pm | Permalink
Regular,
Aren’t you one of the posters who complains everyday that there is a Dr. Tiller thread?
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Who appointed you hall monitor?
I just referenced a simple diagram, pull it out of your
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Jed
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:13 pm | Permalink
reggie,
Like diagrams? Here you go!
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0601/circumcise.html
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Show that to your great-grand children Jed, show them what a mature adult you are.
“Regular” –
Doctor Tiller didn’t perform “partial birth” abortions.
Uh reggie,
It was my granddaughters who found that site and showed it to me.
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Jed
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:40 pm | Permalink
Uh reggie,
It was my granddaughters who found that site and showed it to me.
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Yeah right…
Clean up that kiddie porn on computer, before you get caught.
Regular
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:32 pm | Permalink
Who appointed you hall monitor?
I just referenced a simple diagram, pull it out of your
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I’m not acting as the hall monitor. It just seems silly that you and another poster whine when there is a Tiller thread and then try to turn every thread into an abortion thread.
Also, you seem to have cut off your last sentence before you posted….I don’t follow your meaning.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:36 pm | Permalink
“Regular” –
Doctor Tiller didn’t perform “partial birth” abortions.
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Then you need to inform the Kansas State AG that he didn’t.
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Daniel
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:42 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:32 pm | Permalink
Who appointed you hall monitor?
I just referenced a simple diagram, pull it out of your
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I’m not acting as the hall monitor. It just seems silly that you and another poster whine when there is a Tiller thread and then try to turn every thread into an abortion thread.
Also, you seem to have cut off your last sentence before you posted….I don’t follow your meaning.
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“Daniel” –
You have to remember “Regular” is brain damaged.
He literally stroked out the day President Obama was elected.
“Regular” –
Phill (the second L is for “loser”) was told just that by the courts.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 18, 2009 at 11:46 pm | Permalink
“Daniel” –
You have to remember “Regular” is brain damaged.
He literally stroked out the day President Obama was elected.
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I’m still not sure whether that story belongs in the ‘WE Blog Truth’ column or the ‘WE Blog Myth’ column. I’d probably need corroboration from Regular on that one.
I did have a stroke, don’t remember exactly when as about a month is missing from my memory.
Leave it MonkeyHawk to make fun of someone who nearly died though.
Regular,
Sorry to hear that. Strokes are nasty business. My maternal Grandmother had a bout with breast cancer when she was in her mid-50s and a bout with brain cancer in her late 70s but it was a stroke that finally did her in at 83.
Do a bone-dig, “Regular” –
It was early in the morning of November 4th and I was first — or among the first — to encourage you to call 9-1-1, because you posted what you were experiencing and it was serious.
So you don’t remember the month following your stroke? Okay. That happens.
But there was a lot of concern for you — even you! — during those days. From both the left and the right.
You come back to WE Blog and post stuff even crazier than your pre-brain-damage moments.
Now, I’m not sure posting “‘Regular’ is brain-damaged” qualifies as “making fun” of “Regular.”
It’s simply a fact.
But c’mon. The whole “…someone who almost died” crap is reaching for the victim card pretty early in the dialog, “Regular.”
reggie,
Sounds like you need the services of a good cognitive therapist. Go to the speech therapy dept. at Wichita State and ask for an appointment. They’re good and they’re cheap. Your insurance should cover it.