Three Wichita-based anti-abortion groups say they have received death threats in response to the murder of George Tiller, The Eagle reported today. Some of the threats have been aimed at anti-abortion activities planned in Wichita this weekend, Operation Rescue president Troy Newman said. Many abortion-rights supporters are understandably upset about Tiller’s murder and about the tactics and rhetoric used by some pro-life groups. But threats of violence are never acceptable.
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WFTO? Liberal extremists?
WFTO? Liberal extremists?
Sorry for the double post.
smarta*s. lol!
Troy Newman is a proven liar – they received no death threats but they support killing doctors, nurses and attendants at clinics.
Op Rescue is just trying to play the sympathy card – it ain’t gonna work.
It’s only the religious far right that kills people that they disagree with – not liberals.
If their are bona fide threats then go after them like any other criminal. that being said their is a certain irony in the fact that operation rescue is claiming to be victims of the type of harassment that they themselves do. IN fact the last session of the legislature that Mr Newman was expelled from the capital building for making death threats himself
It’s only the religious far right that kills people that they disagree with – not liberals.
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ELF
“Pro-life groups get death threats”
Uh huh.
I wouldn’t take their word that night is dark and day is light.
Looks like the Pro-Abortionist are now looking at something larger than a fetus to kill.
I’m not going to defend ELF (their a bunch of wack jobs) but as far as I know they have never killed anyone, usually the targets of their violence are thing that most conservatives would consider liberal things like University labs or animal shelters.
Do you suppose they are going to kill anti-abortionist with baseball bats?
“animal shelters”?
Why?
Well, ANTI, name the pro-life folks that have been killed by pro-choice activists.
What, no murders of pro-choice activists?
How many murders of women’s clinic employees, including doctors?
Seventeen?
Hmmmmmmm – looks like the pro-life group is not so pro-life.
They can swat flies, O’bama was seen doing so.
Animal shelters often kill surplus unwanted animals(plus they hold animals against their will), so in the minds of animal rights nuts that equals the holocaust, some convoluted logic like that. PETA is actually upset that Obama killed a fly. Thats the kind of thinking surrounding those people.
Okay……………………………………..
Well, ANTI, name the pro-life folks that have been killed by pro-choice activists.
What, no murders of pro-choice activists?
How many murders of women’s clinic employees, including doctors?
Seventeen?
Hmmmmmmm – looks like the pro-life group is not so pro-life.
Seventeen?
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I dunno.
You people are the body counters.
American_Way
Posted June 19, 2009 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Do you suppose they are going to kill anti-abortionist with baseball bats?
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No.
Bayonets.
WSClark
Posted June 19, 2009 at 2:33 pm | Permalink
Well, ANTI, name the pro-life folks that have been killed by pro-choice activists.
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Don’t know if they had names, but I’m pretty sure there were 60,000 lives in Tiller’s Clinic that were pro-life until they were snuffed out.
Here’s a thought, I wonder if Brenda Landwher used Dr Tiller’s services when she had her abortion?
Clark.
When was the last time a Pro-Lifer killed 60,000?
Are PETA People Pro-Choice?
If a Fly-Hugger Pro-Choice person Kills a Pro-Life person, do they get the Death Sentence?
Or do PETA/ProChoice People Oppose the Death Penalty?
Do PETA/Pro-Choice People Oppose the Death Penalty and support euthanasia?
When was the last time a Pro-Lifer killed 60,000? If thats true theirs 60,000 other people who should be locked up including say Brenda Landwehr
Do PETA/Pro-Choice People Oppose the Death Penalty, support Euthanasia and oppose the 2nd Amendment?
BlueJay
Posted June 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
“Pro-life groups get death threats”
Uh huh.
I wouldn’t take their word that night is dark and day is light
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I am sure they will be charged with making false police reports then.
As you’ve said “Hold your breath, please.”
Jimbo,
As I’ve said before, I don’t want Scott Roeder executed, I want him treated for his obvious mental illness so that he realizes how he was used and names those who used him so they get the cells down the block from him.
As far as Troyboy getting death threats, if he actually got any (which I seriously doubt- he’s quite the drama queen) they came from some of those on his own side whom he has seriously ticked off (check MTTU’s site for one) or from Orkin.
So how would a a PETA/Pro-Choice Person Opposing the Death Penalty, Supporting Euthanasia, but Opposing the 2nd Amendment, possibly Kill a Pro-Life person?
Brownlee is making a ridiculous assertion with this topic.
Thank God you are still alive Jed!
I was worried, as Regular posted an article yesterday that the world’s oldest man had died.
;-)
Ant,
I’m just posting from a different IP address.
WS Clark,
About half of the people in this country would identify themselves as Pro-Life. Every major Pro-Life group has condemned the killing of Dr. Tiller and no Pro-Life group advocates such activity.
These are the actions of an extreme few individuals who do such things.
Yet here you are, with the absurd notion of blaming the entire Pro-Life community for such actions.
ANTI
Posted June 19, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
Clark.
When was the last time a Pro-Lifer killed 60,000?
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Pro lifer Bush probably killed upwards to 600,000. Many of them Americans.
“Ant,
I’m just posting from a different IP address.”
And a cave, deep underground.
Pro lifer Nathaniel won’t tell us how many he’s killed.
Satatom,
That is because I accept the terms “Pro-Choice” and “Pro-Life” for what they are. I don’t try to convolute them with things they were never meant to define as you liberals do.
I listened to the audio files – and read the e-mails – that OR posted on its site today.
As it certainly has not been proven that anyone from OR coerced poor little Scottie Roeder into assassinating Dr. Tiller – I was horrified.
We don’t have all the facts, folks. Let’s direct our ire where it belongs – at the killer himself and those who financed and suckled him. (They’re out there, believe me.)
Come on – I hate my ex so much that I’d probably need to be restrained from mortal assault if he befouled my presence. But I’d NEVER threaten his children (if he has any children – BORN children, that is). I’d never threaten his family – his errancy isn’t their fault.
Let’s have some perspective here……
I’ve read extensively the comments of OR’s president during the past two and a half weeks. If he’s that talented a thespian, he deserves an Oscar.
Mainstream right-to-lifers know acutely how much this despicable tragedy damages their cause. Why would Mr. Newman shoot himself in the foot? If he’s that morbid a masochist, he probably deserves sympathy.
It is wholly right to hate Dr. Tiller’s murder with everyone we are. I hate it, and I will hate it for the rest of my life. But isn’t this irrational, threatening hatred growing tired, as Rhonda Holman recently stated in an editorial on the subject?
Let’s allow the Right-to-Life folks to pray peacefully this weekend. If we disagree, we will do so.
And, I must say this as well: IF – and only if – the aiders and m-baitors of Mr. Roder are proved, I won’t care if they receive nay-stee e-mails. As long as his son isn’t threatened.
Come on, folks – that s–t is just vile.
Isn’t it time to move forward – while honoring Dr. Tiller continuously? I don’t know about you guys – but I’m still too grief-stricken to be consumed with hate for anyone except the shooter.
Those e-mails and audio snippets were disgraceful. And I’m just downright embarrassed by them this day.
Well, since no pro-lifers ever got shot, threats (assuming they aren’t faked) don’t really mean much.
Capn – the day after tomorrow is Father’s Day….
I am heartbroken for the Tiller family. I know, from my experience with grief and loss, that holidays carry certain resonance. I am especially stricken for Dr. Tiller’s ten grandchildren. His children and wife were able to keep him close for decades – thank goodness.
Those precious little grandchildren will have no such blessing. And it hurts me very much indeed.
Anyone who would threaten the children of right-to-lifers should be investigated.
Children are INNOCENT! They have no knowledge of abortion, of the human drama of sex, of pregnancy – and they shouldn’t!
I mean, please – that s–t is just toe-curling. I don’t care about Roeder, any more than I cared about pedophile priest John Geoghan, who was offed in prison. Poor little fellow.
But threatening children and families? That is unconscionable – period.
ANTI
Posted June 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
It’s only the religious far right that kills people that they disagree with – not liberals.
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ELF
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THIWS ELF, ANTI???
ANTI
Posted June 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
It’s only the religious far right that kills people that they disagree with – not liberals.
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ELF
ANTI
Posted June 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink
It’s only the religious far right that kills people that they disagree with – not liberals.
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ELF
http://www.oil-offshore-marine.com/official_blog/2008/03/24/scam-ack-group-elf-holdings-ageh-ageh-international/
Or some other ELF?? I seriously have no clue what ELF you are referring to….
Gosh, that was a strange post for what I had entered….
Nathaniel
Posted June 19, 2009 at 4:46 pm | Permalink
Satatom,
That is because I accept the terms “Pro-Choice” and “Pro-Life” for what they are. I don’t try to convolute them with things they were never meant to define as you liberals do.
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My point Nathaniel is that Pro Life people like yourself….kill people.
OMG
a person all freaked out you know upset called and said they were gonna do something or the other. we be so scared we left early.
OMG
who would do sumthings like this huh.
if they stalk me and my kids all over town and shout Doctor Killer and march out side my kids church and school and playground and yell Doctor Killer at me in the store and threaten the business i go to if they don’t quit doing business with me and my family.
oh golly what will we do now.
darn i almost forgot… praise jesus.
litttle brownlee continues to write about them big ol’ scary libs.
Chas,
ELF = Earth Liberation Front
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front
Thanks, Daniel… All I got out of Google were some kind of financial scams…
“My point Nathaniel is that Pro Life people like yourself….kill people.”—satatom
And the pro-choice/death people like you ’satatom’ support the killing of tens of thousands, millions, of people in their young stages of life.
The poodle comes out to dance!
dance poodle boy dance!!!!
FilmFan,
Your last post….it cuts to the heart of what’s truly important.
Bless the little children and spare them the ugliness of adult hate and violence.
Whether in a pro-choice or pro-life family the children truly are innocent and need love and protection.
I simply feel they do at ANY stage of life.
And satatom responds in typical mindless fashion.
What a dimwit.
ELF Goals >>>>
To inflict maximum economic damage on those profiting from the destruction and exploitation of the environment (biophysical).
To reveal to, and to educate the public about the atrocities committed against the earth and all species that populate it.
To take all necessary precautions against harming any animal – human and non-human.
– From wiki –
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Sounds like a bunch of over-educated fruit cakes to me…. Eco-terrorists have about as my sympathy coming as RWE groups… even if they are against harming any animal or human…
“Eco-terrorists have about as my sympathy coming as RWE groups…”
SHOULD read >>>>
‘Eco-terrorists have about as much of my sympathy coming as RWE groups…’
Oh please, Troy is such a drama queen. He knew protesting at Tiller’s clinic would provoke a response, that’s why he’s doing it. He wants to play the victim since he’s been receiving so much heat for being connected to Roeder. It’s just another publicity stunt by Troy.
MP — that being said, I hope security keeps OR off of Dr. Tiller’s former property. IF they are allowed on that property, I can see how SOME of Tiller’s mourners might try to act, rather than re-act….
Oh Chas, is that a threat….ooooh you are sooo scary.
MP,
I don’t know- Troyboy may have actually been threatened. I hear Orkin and several other exterminating companies are targeting that giant cockroach!
I’m wondering if Troy really hired off duty police or if this is just an excuse to justify getting some of his Brownshirt goons to carry firearms to the protest.
Boxic,
“And a cave, deep underground.”
No, it’s quite similar to Kansas only a bit cooler, and it’s chock full of christians, which has me worried.
“…Brownshirt goons to carry firearms to the protest.” ]MP]
Hmmm… Now that would be an interesting take on matters, wouldnt it??
Sorry Box… no threat… just an observation…
IF there are any such persons making threats against OR, then they should be arrested, and interrogated… And dealt with according to the Rule of LAW… rather than with the Rule of Madness….
Wow Jed, are you at Branson?? LOL!!
Dr. Tiller often got threats, Newman gets a few and he goes into a paranoid frenzy. Shows you that Newman couldn’t handle the life Tiller had dealing with the likes of Newman and his buddies who advocate murdering abortion providers.
MP — If it wasnt a vigil at Tiller’s former clinic, they’d probably be protesting at a prophylactic factory somewhere…
sarcasm/off
I was thinking, it was some right wing nuts, posing as liberals, making death threats to the anti-abortion groups, so the right wing dosen’t look so bad, with left wing nut terrorists.
But the left wing nuts, have been known to do some terrorist activities, such as Peta, and the Earth Liberation Front.
So it’s possible, it wasn’t right wing nuts, posing as Liberal terrorist, calling in death threats.
I still think there’s a good chance we’re being fooled, and they were right wing nuts posing as liberal terrorists.
Pat Mahoney: someone said to him: “You better watch yourself.” Ohhhhh,
Pat Mahoney, whom I last saw in the 90s during “The Summer of Mahem” paling around with Paul Hill, who later went on to murder a doctor, drew a huge crowd of about 20 people at tonight’s “Prayer Vigil.”
http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2009/05/31/12/530-PAULHILLABORTIONSHOOTING.slideshow_main.prod_affiliate.80.JPG
It’s really sobering to realize that at least three murderers have come to Wichita to commune with their fellow travelers in anti-abortion extremism, like Operation Rescue’s paid staffer, Cheryl Sullenger, convicted bomb conspirator, seen here: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/cheryl-sullenger-operation-rescue
“No, it’s quite similar to Kansas only a bit cooler, and it’s chock full of christians, which has me worried.”—Jed
Gosh, sounds like a great place to be, cooler and full of good folks. Maybe some of that ‘good’ will rub off on you, lets hope.
Just visiting, or there for good? Lets guess just for fun….Nebraska? Iowa? Minnesota? Oh, I give up.
I cry BS, they’re only trying to make themselves out to be victims here. I do not believe they have received ANY credible threats, unless you call what I have said on here a ‘threat’. I simply asked how they would feel if they suddenly began being targets of assassins from the pro-choice side. Not ONCE has there been FACTUAL documentation showing that any of THEM have been in any danger, except the nonsense antics they pull. I even WATCHED one of them push a woman off a curb who had a cane during a protest. That nonsense where the sue-happy Geitzen (I think it was) filed suit because he jumped in front of Tiller’s car- they claim that is all violence. You cannot trust these idiots. Not a single anti-choicer has been targeted, but our side has lost a lot of people due to their violence. Crazy idiots.
Yeah I love how Mahoney said nobody should be using Tiller’s death for gain, then he goes and calls this crap for this weekend.
PETA is absolutely not affiliated with any of the pro-choice groups I belong to. There may be vegans in there, but they aren’t PETA.
Maggotpunk, you are a sick human being. You would take over Tiller’s abortion mill if you had the training I’m sure. You need to stop your left-wing hatred. You are nothing but a hate-monger.
No ICT, it’s much easier to perform abortions in my basement. That way the Antis don’t have a place to protest, don’t have to worry about restrictive laws, overhead costs, etc.
If you are not for us,you are against us. You are either Pro Life, or Pro Death. There is no middle of the road on this one.
Darn liberal terrorists. Let us hope the Dept of Homeland Security is on to these diabotical animals.
My mother has utilized the same sort of invective against Dr. Tiller as has our local right-to-life groups. Is she “responsible” for Dr. Tiller’s death? Does she deserve to have filth directed at her?
If anyone tries, you had f–king better be wearing a cup….
Hours after Dr. Tiller’s death, Mother phoned me at my home. I was still crying with shock, grief and disbelief. Immediately, I had to put my foot down.
I didn’t swear. I didn’t threaten to attack or maim or enact matricide against my Mother. I simply declared firmly, “I will not tolerate comments such as these. If you continue in this vein, I will hang up.” And I would have.
Because this ongoing vitriol is scarping a nerve. For the following reason…..
To my disgust, I’ve discovered that not only am I a “baby-killer” (from some in the pro-life ranks), but I am also a “hypocrite” and another word I won’t mention (from some abortion rights supporters).
To these kind folk, I’d like to gently encourage them to shove their heads up their a–es. I’m not only still grieving, but I’m also real, real sensitive to this s–t.
Nearly three years ago, after being hospitalized at Via Christi, I had a burning hunger for all that was honorable about my former church. All things considered, it would have been real, real, REAL good for me to have spoken to a priest.
But I couldn’t. Because I won’t lie. And because of this delightful fact: I’m not a narcissist. It ain’t all about the big broad. I have no such delusions. So-o-o-o-o-o…..
“I cry BS, they’re only trying to make themselves out to be victims here. I do not believe they have received ANY credible threats,”–P_mama
But then you have no real idea or insight into it….do you.
You opinion is worthless as it is based on ignorant emotion not information or fact.
Typical!
I won’t be accused of hypocrisy. How in the f—ola is forming my own opinion about my OWN abortion a threat to anyone else – on either side?
In my view – pro choice is exactly that. I have thought about several things and formed my own perceptions. And a couple of ‘em ain’t all that self-congratulatory. How in the f–k does that make me a hypocrite?
I’m no Pollyanna here. I know – acutely – that my Mother’s belief system influenced her parenting of her youngest gun moll, er, daughter. Am I mad as hayull about that? Yes!
Is my mother a “murderer” or an accomplice to murder? She most certainly is not.
This ongoing gorilla warfare has to stop. Threatening someone’s family is beneath contempt. Hell, I wouldn’t even do that to Randall Terry – the nadir of militant pitviper drippings…..
God is Pro-Choice or we would not have FREE WILL.
Yes, indeed – I do have free will! I utilized my free will to 1) convert to Catholicism in 1976; 2) leave that Church in 1989; 3) declare myself politically pro-choice; and 4) deem my own abortion morally wanting.
Is that the stuff of hypocrisy (or another despicable term someone shoved at me)?
I don’t think so. But then, what the f–k do I know. Maybe it’s all those drugs I didn’t do in the 1970s – perhaps my brain is all burnt out.
“I was still crying with shock, grief and disbelief.”
I cry BS, they’re only trying to make themselves out to be victims here.
Satatom,
Even if abortion were illegal, you still have the choice to do it.
You just have more consequences to face.
God is not Pro-Choice.
A strong hate crimes bill will stop all the death threats–from all sides. If the threats should continue, there is a means of taking the thing these crooks value the most, money, property, and freedom to live outside a 8×10 cell.
Make sure you call your rep. and demand they vote YES for the safety of everyone and fully support S.909.hate crimes bill.
Opinioned1,
And just how would the hate crimes bill stop any of this?
There is alread a meansof punishing people who make death threats now. The hate crimes legislation isn’t going to change that or make it better.
That`s some loving god you got there!!
I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your first born child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.
Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.
Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.
Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.
There is a huge difference between walking up and down the street with a sign saying, I believe abortion is wrong, I hate abortion, or signs claiming the bible says abortion is a sin.
The difference is very clear when you start calling a doctor performing abortions, a murderer, a baby killer, a Nazi, post his families names address and personal info online. Hold sidewalk interventions yelling and threaten a woman on her way to get an abortion, gluing doors shut, making threats to clinic staff members. causing personal property damage, and influencing others to go kill and maim abortion providers with the over the top rhetoric. These would be hate crimes and carry much more weight in the justice system than the misdemeanor charges these idiots face now. Once convicted you could be fined, jailed, property confiscated, and the tax exempt status of your religious organization revoked. Some teeth would be put into the law.
As the law is now, you get a slap on the hand for yelling baby killer or interfering in a woman’s walk to a clinic, or posting personal information on the net with the intention of harassing others.
Opinioned1,
The hate crimes legislation does nothing to stop peoples freedom of speech.
Any actual threatening language would be no more stopped under such a law than it already is now.
Remember the the HATE CRIMES BILL isn`t designed for just those like Randall Terry and his ilk. It would also include the beatings and discrimination gay people endure because of self-righteous bigots, the hate and contempt centered at people of color and differing religious beliefs, and even those like myself who get harassed because of being a secular humanist.
The religious right knows no end to all those they hate and hold in contempt, because of not drinking the kool-aid they dispense.
Opinioned1,
People are already punished under existing laws for beating people.
Re: Any actual threatening language would be no more stopped under such a law than it already is now.
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If this law were in effect today Bill-O- the clown could be charged with hate crimes for the rants he aired on Faux 28 times against Dr.Tiller.
Calling him a murderer, baby killer, and a Nazi for doing nothing more than performing legal abortion with not a drop of proof other wise and incite hate and contempt would give this fool something to think about before his next hate filled rant began. What O~Reilly did was incite violence in others with his 28 or 29 rants of nothing but lies.
Just as there is a limit to yelling fire, or being found guilty as the driver in a bank robbery, when you are given free air time to put forth lies about others, your right to yell fire ends.
“It would also include the beatings and discrimination gay people endure because of self-righteous bigots, the hate and contempt centered at people of color and differing religious beliefs, and even those like myself who get harassed because of being a secular humanist.”—opinioned1
There are already laws on the books to protect all of us, everyone equally, without playing favorites. We don’t need special protected classes of people over others. That is simply stupid. More laws don’t force those breaking the law to comply anymore so.
The hate crimes bill could/would be used to stifle free speech, a violation of the 1st. Amendment.
If you don’t like what someone is saying, turn and walk away.
Opinioned1,
Nothing in the hate crimes legislation would allow Bill O’reilly to be charged.
Nothing he said incited others to violence.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Re: Nathaniel
Posted June 20, 2009 at 11:39 am | Permalink
Opinioned1,
And just how would the hate crimes bill stop any of this?There is alread a meansof punishing people who make death threats now.
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Nobody today can be jailed until AFTER they go murder someone, so what good is a law that CAN`T STOP YOU WHEN YOU FIRST MAKE THE THREAT TO KILL SOMEONE AND DISPLAY THE HATE TO DO THE DEED?
People are always going to think and say things others don’t like….big deal.
Grow up child, and yes I’m talking to you ‘opinioned1′. You going to call the thought and speech police on me for that.
If Bill O’Reilly thinks that about Tiller he has a right to express that, as would I or anyone else. I don’t remember him ever calling for Tillers murder now….do you, heck NO!
Expressing an opinion does not make one responsible for everyone else in the world and what they might do.
I’ve never heard of such foolish crap as what you are calling for.
“Nathaniel” –
“People are already punished under existing laws for beating people.”
In the law, boy, there are plenty of considerations of mitigating and aggravating circumstances.
For example, if you burglarize a place, it’s burglary.
If you burglarize a place with a gun strapped to your hip, it’s aggravated burglary.
If you’re found guilty of making someone and his car disappear, you might try a mitigation defense such as, “He shot my dog.”
Good luck with that, btw, boy.
Re:Nathaniel Posted June 20, 2009 at 12:12 pm
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Ranting on 28 separate occasions calling Dr.Tiller a baby killer, a murderer, a Nazi, and clearly saying for all the weak minded to hear-”somebody need to stop Tiller the baby killer now before he murders again”. As the laws are today nothing can be done, I`m sad to say. Claiming for 5k anyone can walk in and get their baby killed, a flat out lie!! These are hate crimes that could have been stopped before some idiot believed the messenger.
There are thousands of weak minded people in this nation willing to literally take what some fool like this says and act on it.
Good example`s. Jim Jones,killing hundreds, David Koresh letting women and children die all for what- idiots who believed everything these liars claimed and said.
Opinioned1,
“Nobody today can be jailed until AFTER they go murder someone, so what good is a law that CAN`T STOP YOU WHEN YOU FIRST MAKE THE THREAT TO KILL SOMEONE AND DISPLAY THE HATE TO DO THE DEED?”
Again, nothing in the hate crimes leglislation is going to stop any of the examples you have given any more than already existing laws can and do.
Making actual threats to kill someone is already punishable under the law.
Hate crimes legislation will not stop “hate to do the deed” anymore than already existing laws do nor does it even target such a thing.
Opinioned1,
Nothing Bill O’reily did or said would be stopped or punished if hate crimes legislation is passed.
InsaneMonkey,
I tried to find the point in your post, but don’t see one.
“Boxlock20″ declares –
“If Bill O’Reilly thinks that about Tiller he has a right to express that…”
Yup.
But he doesn’t get a free pass from those who object.
(Take this from one who knows about such things.)
As much as I hate slippery-slope allusions, there’s a semi-slippery slope involving hate speech, propaganda, and lies.
For example, Bill-O the clown claimed CNN said nothing about the Army recruiter who was murdered in Little Rock. In fact, CNN LED WITH THE STORY! in every one of its news updates! (About every half-hour for twelve hours.)
Meanwhile, the Fakes News Channel has, so far, reported nothing, zilch, nada, bupkis, about the Minuteman leader who invaded a home in Phoenix and murdered a 9-year-old girl because she was brown.
Is Bill-O the Clown responsible for Scott Roeder?
Not so far, probably.
But the investigation of advocates of illegal abortion will likely reveal a lot of interesting entanglements (like, “Where did Scott get the gun?” “Who paid for his turnpike toll and last tank of gas?” “Who gave him the address and time he might find Doctor Tiller on a Sunday morning?” “Have any of those people been in contact with Bill-O the clown or his producers?”
Part of the equation for rabble rousing is a strong network of rabble. And you advocates of illegal abortion sure have plenty of ‘em.
Freedom of speech doesn’t give you the right to shout “FIRE!” in a crowded movie house.*
*You can, however, shout “MOVIE!” in a crowded fire house.
Political_mama
Posted June 19, 2009 at 11:25 pm | Permalink
I cry BS
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Gee, that never happens.
SSDD.
“Nathaniel” posted –
“InsaneMonkey,
I tried to find the point in your post, but don’t see one.”
You misspelled –
WHOOOSH!
Nice name-calling though, boy.
Just what I’d expect from a disciple of “logic.”
ChimpBoy,
So, you didn’t have a point then?
Apparently not anything accessible to you, “Nathaniel.”
Or else, as usual, I’ve handed you your ass and you don’t know how to respond other than to plead ignorance.
That’s what’ll always work for you, boy.
Who could possibly refute it?
“ChimpBoy?”
You’ve been reduced to recycling name-calls?
Thanks for your latest tutorial for “logic.”
ChimpChild,
I wasn’t trying to be logical with you. There is no point. You are probably the most worthless poster on this blog.
I respond to you how you deserve to be responded to.
By the way, you never did say…
Is your mother anatomically correct?
“Minuteman leader who invaded a home in Phoenix and murdered a 9-year-old girl because she was brown.”—Chimpboy, I like that one Nathaniel, ha.
That guy was no more a member of the original Minuteman Project than you are Chimpboy.
You are simply lying again out of convenience.
The Minuteman Project as flatly denied any involvement with him.
If he or some faux group used the word ‘minuteman’ in their name that has noting to do with the real Minuteman group, they have no control of that.
That would be about as asinine as you saying you are apart of the family of reasoned people.
Here is what is said about the real Minuteman group:
“Jon Dougherty, author of “Illegals: The Imminent Threat Posed by Our Unsecured U.S.-Mexico Border,” writes that the U.S. Border Patrol Union Local 2544, which covers the Tucson sector of the border, endorses the Minuteman Project. “We want to make it clear – because we’ve had a lot of questions about this – we have not had one single complaint from a rank-and-file agent in this sector about the Minutemen… Every report we’ve received indicates these people are very supportive of the rank-and-file agents; they’re courteous. Many of them are retired firefighters, cops, and other professionals, and they’re not causing us any problems whatsoever”.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Minuteman_Project_Inc.
“Boxlock20″ retorts –
“That guy was no more a member of the original Minuteman Project than….”
…”he” is not a “guy.”
Perhaps you ought to check the facts.
According to my sources, Shawna Forde was leader of the Arizona Minutemen from January 20, 1777 to January 20, 1781.
You gonna dispute that, “Boxlock20?”
(sn) “Let’s start with a definition: An “ordinary crime” (as though there could ever be anything ordinary about, say, murder) morphs into a “hate crime” when it’s primary or, perhaps, entire point is to amplify speech, perfectly legal in and of itself, that targets and dehumanizes a particular group. Indeed, a hate crime is a perverted form of altruism in that it isn’t generally committed for personal gain, but rather, for social intimidation and control.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-koehler/democracys-paradox_b_217523.html
The organization she was apart of was some bas/tard organization calling themselves the “Minutemen American Defense group”, that stole the word ‘minuteman’ to falsely give themselves credibility.
She, and the two men involved were no more apart of the legitimate Minuteman Project, or the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, as I said than you are apart of the family of reasoning people.
Here smartass:
“One of those arrested, Shawna Forde, is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a group out of Washington state that conducts operations along the U.S.-Mexican border in Arizona. The group is not related to either the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps founded by Chris Simcox, or the Minuteman Project founded by Jim Gilchrist.
http://mexicotrucker.com/border-vigilante-shawna-forde-arrested-for-murder-of-9-year-old-girl-father
Don’t you get tired of being shown to be a fool Chimpboy?
Opinioned1,
And guess what? Murder is still punished now. What exactly is making murder a hate crime going to do?
You fail to address these points over and over again.
Nevermind, why should someone be punished “more” for their murder being based on hate rather than personal financial gain?
In both cases someone is dead.
Many, many law specify “degrees” of an offense, i.e. some murders are capital offenses, some are not.
Re:NathanielPosted June 20, 2009 at 2:04 pm
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I`ll repeat my previous post one more time–
“Let’s start with a definition: An “ordinary crime” (as though there could ever be anything ordinary about, say, murder) morphs into a “hate crime” when it’s primary or, perhaps, entire point is to amplify speech, perfectly legal in and of itself, that targets and dehumanizes a particular group. Indeed, a hate crime is a perverted form of altruism in that it isn’t generally committed for personal gain, but rather, for social intimidation and control.”
Such things as intimidating a woman on the way to a clinic, calling a doctor who performs LEGAL abortions a baby killer or murderer, inflaming others with your rhetoric to kill or murder for your cause.Punching and injuring someone causing harm for no reason other than they are gay, advocating for abortion rights, are black white hispanic. No laws against these things now but with a hate crimes law they would stop NOW.
So, if the GOP is so opposed to abortions, why didn’t they do anything about it from 2001 to 2007 when they controlled the House, Senate and the Presidency?
Or is it that they are not really against it, but they have to pretend to appeal to their base?
Which is it – pretending or lazy?
Hand over the beer or the chihuahua gets it…
WS,
Those ‘publicans are dead set against abortion until their wives or daughters need them, and then they sneak them in the back doors of the clinics.
“Hand over the beer or the chihuahua gets it…”
Sorry Tyson and Dude (my daughter’s chihuahuas) but I am sticking with the Busch Light.
“No laws against these things now but with a hate crimes law they would stop NOW.”—opinioned1
Another law would not make a bit of difference to someone that breaks the law….wake up to it!
There are already laws on the books to protect everyone equally and to punish everyone equally….wake up to it!
opinioned1,
Your ‘hate crimes law’ would go not after the crime but the motivation for the crime.
Not the facts of the crime but suppositions behind the crime.
Mind and thought analysis, infringement of speech, treating one class differently than all others.
Dumb!
Hey Boxic,
What hate crimes are you so worried about getting busted for that you doth protest a bit too much about?
“God is not Pro-Choice.”
How would you know that?
If God were really NOT pro-choice, don’t you think he would have stopped this before now?
I thought free will and choice was all about God’s plan for the world?
If you really want to see Nathan and Box and all of those who think that this language doesn’t incite the violence, ask how they feel when it is soldiers on the receiving end of that language.
Remember how they STILL get angry at the 60’s anti-war groups who said quite strong language about how they felt soldiers were murderers? What happened to those returning soldiers Nathan?
Now I know you get the parallel, but I’ll be dammed if you’ll admit you understand it.
“Now I know you get the parallel, but I’ll be dammed if you’ll admit you understand it.”
Wouldn’t that require admitting humans are all equal (under both the laws of God and man), all deserving of being treated with dignity?
In criminal law, “intent” is always a large part of the process and always has been. Mind, thought analysis? Maybe. Dumb? No.
If Nathan shoots fellow enthusiast Regular at the Bullet Stop while loading his handgun, will murder be suspected?
If Nathan shoots Boxlock at the Bullet Stop while loading his handgun, after a heated argument over who will be Gun Czar when the Revolution comes, can an intent be deduced?
Troy Newman ran and hid from a bunch of ladies today. Awww, what a loser. That does make him a good representative of other Antis though, cowardly losers.
Perhaps Nathaniel should talk to his minister.
God created man with FREE WILL.
God intended for humans to CHOOSE. Thus God IS pro choice.
But then again, God (for Nathaniel) is relative…not absolute.
forced birthers are a bunch of big babies who lie and then duck and cover
Satatom,
Once again, you seek to make the terms “Pro-Choice” and “Pro-Life” convoluted and something they are not.
They are terms meant to describe someones stance on the issue of abortion. Nothing more, nothing less.
And another once again, you still have CHOICE if abortion is illegal.
Just different consequences.
WS Clark,
I wouldn’t want your thoughtful and well reasoned questions (yeah right) to go unanswered….
“So, if the GOP is so opposed to abortions, why didn’t they do anything about it from 2001 to 2007 when they controlled the House, Senate and the Presidency?”
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1. Abortion for the most part has been settled in the judicial branch, not the legislative or executive.
2. Bush did do what he could to stop federal funding of abortions through executive orders… which Obama reversed.
3. Congress and Bush passed what legislation they could. i.e. Late term abortion bills.
You assertion that the GOP didn’t do anything is just as absurd as your notion that the left gave Bush a pass his first 2 years in office.
“Or is it that they are not really against it, but they have to pretend to appeal to their base?”
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Nope. As I have just proven.
“Which is it – pretending or lazy?”
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Neither. But nice illogical question based on the false dilemma.
BJ,
“How would you know that?”
By reading the Bible.
“Nathaniel,” the Laureate of Logic, gives us –
“…you still have CHOICE if abortion is illegal.”
Boy, sometimes you out-do yourself.
“And another once again, you still have CHOICE if abortion is illegal.
Just different consequences.”
In not other words, Nathaniel would wish women an unsafe choice.
Nathaniel?
My grandmother died from the results of an at that time illegal abortion.
This left my father without a mother at the ripe old age of four.
Are you here to tell me that my grandmother deserved to die? Because that is what I am getting from your posts.
BlueJay,
I could post something as simple as 2+2=4 and you would come back saying that I said 22=4 and argue against it going on for years about how I don’t understand math…
Blue,
Actually if Nathan posted something as complex as 2+2=4, we’d all assume he was plagiarizing.
In other words Nathaniel, you could lie and you know I will bust you in it.
In a way, I am sorry for you Nathaniel.
It is not that you can’t think for yourself. It is more that you WON’T think for yourself.
BlueJay,
Thank you for proving my point. How did anything I just posted lead you to this:
“you could lie and you know I will bust you in it”
Time and time again you offer nothing of substance to any of our discussion.
You offer no argument. No reasoning. No facts. Nothing.
You simply throw around baseless assertions and twist what I say.
Why don’t you put your son on the blog? I would be curious to see if at least he could offer up some kind of real argument.
Maybe your dog if you have one? I bet even hitting random keys on the keyboard would produce a better post than you.
I wonder if Nathan was in that terrorist group that ran and hid from a bunch of old ladies carrying signs Saturday?
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