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“Without health reform, businesses’ costs will continue to increase, families’ out-of-pocket costs will rise, and American workers will not receive the health care they need to be healthy.”
We need health reform, and we need it now. Here’s why:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/06/healthcare_animation.html
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons.
Bertrand Russell
British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 – 1970)
Following the lead of this article (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/health/policy/07plan.html) in the Times on the battle over including a ‘public option’ in the new Obama health care reform bill. If you’re not familiar with the lingo of this debate, the ‘public option’ refers to allowing the federal government to sell its own insurance plan which would compete with private health insurance providers. Think of it as a version of Medicare that everyone could buy into.
Here’s the key graf from the Times piece …
But critics argue that with low administrative costs and no need to produce profits, a public plan will start with an unfair pricing advantage. They say that if a public plan is allowed to pay doctors and hospitals at levels comparable to Medicare’s, which are substantially below commercial insurance rates, it could set premiums so low it would quickly consume the market.
As Taplin suggests, these ‘problems’ sound remarkably like ‘the point’ of the whole exercise. Most of the argument here is that a big government plan would just provide the insurance ’service’ much more efficiently and cheaply than private carriers. And that the private carriers wouldn’t be able to make any money off selling the service any more. But this is the argument that single payer advocates routinely make — namely, that a lot of the money that goes into private health insurance goes to paperwork, much of which is tied to finding ways to deny people coverage. That, and the need to earn profits on providing the service.
Presumably if there were other quality advantages to the private plans, the carriers wouldn’t be so worried that everyone would switch to the public plan. I think I might be open to some effective scare-mongering on that front. But the private carriers don’t seem to have much confidence there’s much to scare people about.
–Josh Marshall
On this date, Jun 8th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 103 °F (1985)
Low: 48 °F (2003)
“Regulators are expected to approve today the capital-raising plans of several banks, according to The Wall Street Journal, while the Fed is expected to announce which financial firms will be allowed to repay TARP funds. According to The Washington Post, the size of the repayments could be double the Treasury’s initial $25 billion estimate.”
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Gee, when people complain about bailouts, they never seem to mention that we’ll eventually get the money back.
“…they never seem to mention that we’ll eventually get the money back.”
Get the money back? Yes, but apparently, we also give them more money so they can pay us back. Sounds like a good deal to me.
“…but officials warn that such repayment is not evidence of economic recovery as the government continues to provide them with other forms of support, The Washington Post reported.”
“they never seem to mention that we’ll eventually get the money back.”
That is not a promise. It was and still is a risk.
XXX, does the article indicate whether the repaid funds will be returned to the treasury and sent straight to debt reduction? Or are they going to spend it for something else? (I didn’t catch a link)
“Conservative Democrats on the Hill are wary of a government-run health plan. They have set down strict guidelines for what they will and will not accept from the major health care reform effort. Reports indicate that the partisan nature of the current health care debate will give Blue Dogs quite a bit of sway over health care reform. As the White House and some members of Congress explore new ways to tax Americans to pay for its expansive government-run health care system, Senators like Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) have committed to opposing a government-run plan. Sensible legislators have taken the lessons from Great Britain and Canada to heart and are trying to educate their colleagues and the country about the dangers and drawbacks of a government-run health care system.”
SOMEone always has to pay. No one is going to be getting anything for free. Those of us, 285,000,000 Americans with healthcare insurance are likely to end up paying more in the new taxes. I hope the studies by the one party effort will examine our existing costs – and show us specifically where those costs will go down. And then add back in – the new taxes. Still saving us money?
Conservatives score wins in EU parliament voting
BRUSSELS – Conservatives scored victories in some of Europe’s largest economies Sunday as voters punished left-leaning parties in European parliament elections in France, Germany and other nations.
Some right-leaning parties said the results vindicated their reluctance to spend more on company bailouts and fiscal stimulus to combat the global economic crisis.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090608/ap_on_re_eu/european_elections
How much more competative would American companies be if they weren’t saddled with the cost of providing health insurance?
….American companies…
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We still have those?
“weren’t saddled with the cost of providing health insurance”
XXX you are dreaming. SOMEONE has to pay. Do you honestly think even democrats will let the businesses off the hook?
Didn’t you learn anything from your experience with recruiters?
I know I’m doubting Thomas – but I’m smart enough to know nothing is going to be free.
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XXX
Posted June 8, 2009 at 9:40 am | Permalink
How much more competative would American companies be if they weren’t saddled with the cost of providing health insurance?
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The companies providing the health care are autonomous and can make the decision what health care plans to offer and who to pay.
With a forced, government plan the companies will be required to pay ever increasing taxes and there will be zero choice on what kind of health care plan to get.
Payments to government in the form of health care taxes does not provide growth or competitiveness. It will be the ‘circular drain’ effect where as the companies funds pay for ever increasing taxes – their rate of the outflow of money will speed up around the ever decreasing, available capitol into a government drain.
Supreme Court Turns Down Challenge to ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/08/supreme-court-turns-challenge-dont-ask-dont-tell/
How much more competative would American companies be if they weren’t saddled with the cost of providing health insurance?
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It will be a wash. With universal health care American Companies will now be saddled with high taxes to uh, pay for the health care.
You are not getting universal healthcare. Some of you are dreaming. The proposals are not a drastic overhaul and not a UK or Canadian system:
“Conservative House Democrats set strict conditions Thursday for any government-run insurance plan Congress creates as part of a health care overhaul, ruling out support for a plan that resembles Medicare — the option favored by many liberals.
The lines drawn by the Blue Dog Coalition, if adhered to by lawmakers crafting the health overhaul, would result in a government-run plan that works much like private insurance plans.
“How a public option is constructed and allowed to compete are critically important to ensuring families have the ability to keep their current health coverage and continue to see the doctor of their choice,” the Blue Dogs said . Lawmakers might open the plan to every American or only to those without employer-sponsored insurance.
[The] kind of restrictions demanded by the Blue Dogs:
The public plan must negotiate payment rates with providers;
participation in the plan must be voluntary for both providers and patients;
premiums and copayments under the plan must pay for its operations;
and the plan must follow the same actuarial standards and regulations required of private insurers. (relates to costs)
Politically, the Blue Dogs’ document sets the coalition’s 51 members squarely at odds with a group of 78 liberals in the House who have cosponsored legislation (HR 676) by John Conyers Jr. , D-Mich., that would expand Medicare to all Americans and outlaw most private insurance. CQPolitics.com
Ahoy! Pirate Party gets berth in European Parliament
The Pirate Party is focused on three main goals: “to fundamentally reform copyright law, get rid of the patent system, and ensure that citizens’ rights to privacy are respected.”
cont’d at:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10259048-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5
More help is on the way!
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama said on Monday he expected to create or save 600,000 jobs over the next 100 days by expediting 10 major projects funded by a huge stimulus package that Congress passed in February.
“We have a long way to go on our road to recovery, but we are going the right way,” Obama said. His statement came three days after a Labor Department report showed the U.S. unemployment rate rose to 9.4 percent in May, even though the pace of monthly job losses slowed to 345,000.
“We will not grow complacent or rest. Surely and steadily, we will turn this economy around,” Obama said.
The White House said the $787 billion Recovery and Reinvestment Act has helped save or create over 150,000 in the first 100 days since it was signed.
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“‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” From Anti’s link:
Meanwhile, the White House has said it won’t stop gays and l*sbians from being dismissed from the military.
Should a comapany fear ever increasing taxes, or ever increasing insurance costs, which they then have to wring more out of the employees contribution, or cut down on the coverages?
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
The White House said the $787 billion Recovery and Reinvestment Act has helped save or create over 150,000 in the first 100 days since it was signed.
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WTF?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Read the news, White House!
“has helped save or create over 150,000 in the first 100 days since it was signed.”
Any proof? Or just nice sound bites telling us Obama is our savior?
“expected to create or save 600,000 jobs over the next 100 days”
Again talk is cheap.
US Unemployment Rate Gallops Ahead of Expectations
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-07-voa22.cfm
“WTF? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Read the news, White House!”
Obama really has the best of all worlds. He can claim any numbers he wants. There really is no way to prove him right or wrong.
In this example Obama would say: Yeah but think of how high unemployment would have been if I had NOT saved those jobs!!!
Grand standing with no proof.
NEW YORK (AP) – The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.
But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect. Rates for mortgages and U.S. Treasury debt are now marching higher as nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090606/D98L67500.html
XXX
Posted June 8, 2009 at 8:28 am | Permalink
“Regulators are expected to approve today the capital-raising plans of several banks, according to The Wall Street Journal, while the Fed is expected to announce <which financial firms will be allowed to repay TARP funds.
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Are you serious? No one here sees a problem with the above? God save us.
And let’s not forget those police academy jobs Obama saved – but were lost when the handout (I mean stimulus) money ran out.
(CNN) It was a success story the White House was eager to highlight: Earlier this year, President Obama attended the graduation of 25 police recruits in Columbus, Ohio, touting it as a victory for the federal stimulus package.
Without the money, the officers never would have hit the streets. They were to be laid off before their first day of patrol, victims of city budget cuts, until the stimulus money saved the class.
But the White House said the $1.2 million grant only guaranteed their jobs until the end of the year. And facing a growing deficit and a fight to pass an income tax hike, Columbus Police on Tuesday announced massive budget cuts that could mean hundreds of layoffs.
Among those who could lose their jobs if voters reject the increase: the 25 new officers who shook the president’s hand.”
Temporary jobs does not improve our overall economy – nor our future.
Why has the umemplyment rate doubled since the Demorats took the house and senate?
Doubled it in a little over 2 years!!
They are destroying our countrys economy.
worst prez. ever.
“which financial firms will be allowed to repay TARP funds.
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Are you serious? No one here sees a problem with the above? God save us.”
It’s all about Obama control and socialism. (I had missed the permission slip requirement)
It’s all about Obama control and socialism.
You got that right. The government is of the people, for the people and by the people. Heard some senator or representative say that since the above is true, and the “government” is buying a stake in GM, the “government” should just mail out stock certificates to taxpayers. I say the more tax you paid in, the more shares you get back. Didn’t pay in or got more back than you paid in, you get zip.
I see WE Blogs CONs are out to do nothing today but attempt to stop traffic on the Bridge to Tomorrow.
I feel like the Billy Goats Gruff.
Okay – what is with these sensors today? I can’t even get a sentence out – with no swearin’ and cussin’?
I see Monkeyhawk has absolutely nothing to add to the Blog, as usual.
Oops – I should have said “censors.”
But what the #$%^ – I’m not hangin’ around today – not if I have to type each post – sentence for sentence for sentence for sentence……
Wow: “The Shooter” (ol’ Scottie R., doncha know) can shoot his intestinal load to the AP – threatin’ us all – and the FilmFan is a national scourage.
Sheesh – what convoluted logic is that?????
Forced to take the money and told when/if they can pay it back.
Now get this straight, this is not just Barry’s doings. Bush played his part too.
Do you people not see the importance of this?
Obama’s public letter to Kennedy:
“The plans you are discussing embody my core belief that Americans should have better choices for health insurance, building on the principle that if they like the coverage they have now, they can keep it, while seeing their costs lowered as our reforms take hold. But for those who don’t have such options, I agree that we should create a health insurance exchange — a market where Americans can one-stop shop for a health care plan, compare benefits and prices, and choose the plan that’s best for them, in the same way that Members of Congress and their families can. None of these plans should deny coverage on the basis of a preexisting condition, and all of these plans should include an affordable basic benefit package that includes prevention, and protection against catastrophic costs. I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest. ”
And so ends the sermon for the day. There will not be universal healthcare. 285,000,000 Americans can keep what they have. Those who REFUSE to pay – will be forced to pay. They either pick from their employer plan – or one of the government options. But you will pay.
“I feel like the Billy Goats Gruff.”
Bite me. I mean eat me.
Unleash the fury Film Fan, unleash the fury!!
This is absolutely disgusting!
Two Juveniles Charged With Setting Pit Bull Ablaze in Baltimore
Two juveniles have been charged with setting a pit bull on fire, Baltimore police say.
Officer Troy Harris, a spokesman for the Baltimore Police Department, said Commissioner Frederick Bealefeld will announce the arrests at an 11:30 a.m. news conference on Monday.
The dog — identifed by Harris as a female pit bull — was reportedly rescued by a Baltimore police officer on May 27, but later died despite medical treatment.
Harris declined to identify those arrested due to their age. It remains unclear exactly what charges they face.
No thanks, Anti:
Yesterday I found a copy of Creedence Clearwater Revival’s “Greatest Hits” CD at Best Buy.
Between you and the unexpurgated version of “Heard It Through The Grapevine” – there’s sort of no contest……
I’m not always furious. I can sing real good, too……
I’m not always furious. I can sing real good, too……
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Film Fan,
I was kidding. My post about ‘fury’ was in relation to the censors. (I fight them daily)
Oh, my God:
That story about the pit bull breaks my heart, Anti.
I love animals more than life itself.
Oh, that just makes me sick…..
Sick individuals do sick things. In fact, I’ll bet Mr. Roeder has events like this in his pants, er, PAST…..
He probably does – ’cause there’s probably nothing else residing there….
“FilmFan” –
The moderation bot has some quirks, but I sent a couple of what I considered innocuous posts to weblog@wichitaeagle.com to ask wtf?
I got back a polite reply which basically said, “We don’t know. Wtf, indeed.”
Apparently you can’t post more than one link in a post. I’m not sure if your can write the pen is mightier than the sword or not. For sure, not, if you miss the space bar between pen and is.
A reference to a common Anglo-Saxon word for female canine gets botted, even when you’re merely carping about something.
“Heard It Through The Grapevine”
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I believe it goes…”Heoid” it Through the Grapevine.
Okay – I misunderstood.
My sense of humor is kind of being stifled – ’cause I have a wonderful post to add – but between the censors and my own admirable convent-schoolgirl-inculcated restraint – and my wanting to wait until a respectable amount of time has passed.
Y’all are gonna just have to wait…
“ANTI”
Posted June 8, 2009 at 10:28 am | Permalink
“I see Monkeyhawk has absolutely nothing to add to the Blog, as usual.”
Then
“American_Way”
Posted June 8, 2009 at 10:32 am | Permalink
“I feel like the Billy Goats Gruff.”
“Bite me. I mean eat me.”
See, that’s why I participate in this forum; for the diversity of opinions.
Oh, that just makes me sick…..
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Me too.
I have a hard time understanding why someone would do that to an animal for ‘fun’.
Sick.
See, that’s why I participate in this forum; for the diversity of opinions.
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You too?
Thanks, Monkeyhawk. I’m real, real frustrated with this Blog today. It’s “peasin” me off right about now. And I’m just not masochistic enough to deal with it right about now.
Anti: I believe the FilmFan sings it as “Hay-urd It Through the Grapevine” – and when I belt loose with this gem from 1969, the earth trembles. It’s been covered by a lot of other singers, but this chick makes it her own.
Take THAT – Tina Turner………
Call your Congressman for:
1. Getting a mortgage
2. Buying a car
3. Getting health insurance
4. Scheduling a Dr Appointment
5. Schedule an oil change for your Government Motors car
How long will this list become?
Can’t refinance? Call your congressman
Some lawmakers taking unprecedented steps to help people stay in homes
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31128973/from/ET/
Regular posted June 8, 2009 at 8:16 am
On this date, Jun 8th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 103 °F (1985)
Low: 48 °F (2003)
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Regular posted June 6, 2009 at 12:18 pm
JimJohnson
Posted June 6, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted June 6, 2009 at 8:14 am | Permalink
On this date, Jun 6th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High:102 °F (1933)
Low: 46 °F (1998)
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Gosh Regular, I’m seeing a disturbing trend here in your daily posts.
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In general the first 30 years of the 20th century/late 19th century was much warmer in Wichita than the last 30 years.
Take THAT – Tina Turner………
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That’s what Ike said.
More Cats Found Mutilated in South Fla.
PALMETTO BAY, Fla. — Two more cats have been found dead in Miami Dade – bringing the total now to more than two-dozen pets mutilated in recent months.
Armani Perez, who said he woke Sunday morning to the sound of police knocking on his front door – informing him that a small grey cat was found dead on his front lawn.
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ANTI
Posted June 8, 2009 at 10:46 am | Permalink
See, that’s why I participate in this forum; for the diversity of opinions.
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You too?
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I disagree.
When I want your opinion, I’ll give it to you. :D
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Regular posted June 8, 2009 at 8:16 am
On this date, Jun 8th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 103 °F (1985)
Low: 48 °F (2003)
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Regular posted June 6, 2009 at 12:18 pm
JimJohnson
Posted June 6, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted June 6, 2009 at 8:14 am | Permalink
On this date, Jun 6th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High:102 °F (1933)
Low: 46 °F (1998)
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Gosh Regular, I’m seeing a disturbing trend here in your daily posts.
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In general the first 30 years of the 20th century/late 19th century was much warmer in Wichita than the last 30 years.
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You mean the cool temperature in May 2003? :D
It’s Newtie vs. the Moose Dresser (Again!)
From Politico –
“After being invited — for a second time — to speak to the annual joint fundraiser for the National Republican Congressional Committee and the National Republican Senatorial Committee, Palin was told abruptly Saturday night that she would not be allowed to address the thousands of Republicans there after all.”
Nagin’s Phone Calls Screened ‘to Keep Him Safe’ While Quarantined in China
Fox News
The mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, is under lockdown in a suburban Shanghai hotel after a passenger on his flight from the U.S. exhibited symptoms of swine flu — and now his Chinese hosts are screening his calls “to keep him safe.”
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ha!
So when all these temporary jobs run out of Stimulus Money – will we be asked to spend another trillion to keep these folks working?
Obama Promises More Than 600,000 Stimulus Jobs
“Many of the stimulus plans that Obama announced Monday already were in the works, including hundreds of maintenance projects at military bases, about 1,600 state road and airport improvements, and federal money states budgeted for 135,000 teachers, principals and school support staff.
Health and Human Services will provide funding for 1,129 health centers to provide expanded service for 300,000 patients; Interior will begin improvements on 107 national parks; Veterans Affairs will start work on 90 medical centers in 38 states; the Justice Department will fund 5,000 law enforcement jobs; the Agriculture Department will begin 200 new rural waste and water system projects; and the Environmental Protection Agency will begin or accelerate the cleanup of 20 Superfund sites.”
So we have a liberal mayor locked up by China and two liberal media types locked up by North Korea.
Things are looking up for the Obama administration.
Palin fends off ethics charges brought since ‘08
The accusations made news, but with another dismissal of an ethics charge last week against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential nominee has quietly been cleared of every ethics complaint filed since the torrent of allegations began in 2008.
Mrs. Palin, who became a target of such complaints after being named Sen. John McCain’s running mate, is 14-for-14 in fighting off the complaints. She’s been cleared of 13 charges by the independent State Personnel Board and of another complaint by the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
From the Washington times
“Obama initially offered his stimulus plan as a way to put people back to work, a promise that 3.5 million jobs would be saved or created. The administration’s predictions that unemployment would rise no higher than 8 percent already have been shattered, leaving Obama’s advisers to [tap dancing and double-talk] caution that job growth takes time, even as recovery spending intensifies.”
Things are looking up for the Obama administration.
Now if they could get ahold of Biden…
787 billion dollars. 600,00 jobs. Do the math.
Mrs. Palin, who became a target of such complaints after being named Sen. John McCain’s running mate, is 14-for-14 in fighting off the complaints. She’s been cleared of 13 charges by the independent State Personnel Board and of another complaint by the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
Wonder why this didn’t get the headline time the (false) charges got?
I doubt there are 600,000 permanent jobs created. This is just busy work. School summer programs? Man the kids should have the best softball teams ever!
“BRUSSELS – Conservatives scored victories in some of Europe’s largest economies Sunday as voters punished left-leaning parties in European parliament elections in France, Germany and other nations.
Some right-leaning parties said the results vindicated their reluctance to spend more on company bailouts and fiscal stimulus to combat the global economic crisis.
The European Union said center-right parties were expected to take the most seats — 267 — in the 736-member parliament. Center-left parties were headed for 159 seats. The remainder were expected to go to smaller groupings.
Right-leaning governments were ahead of the opposition in Germany, France, Italy and Belgium, while conservative opposition parties were leading in Britain and Spain.”
The times, they are a changing.
Hope and change 2010
Say! What happened to the torture investigation?
Pelosio cleared of lying? Her nose continues to grow.
Regular,
When did the time period “the first 30 years of the 20th century/late 19th century” end? After 1933?
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink
Regular,
When did the time period “the first 30 years of the 20th century/late 19th century” end? After 1933?
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I dunno cosmos, I can start and stop them arbitrarily just like IPCC does. :)
You know for ‘cooking the books’ in temperature recordings.
787 billion dollars. 600,00 jobs. Do the math.
$1,311,666 per job and they are still missing the mark? Time to take the check book away.
Looks like we are going to have a naval blockade around N Korea. Only this time, the cornered animal already has nukes. Cuba was easy street in comparison to what Obama is biting off across the pacific. China anyone?
“The Obama administration is working with U.S. allies to develop ways to cut off North Korean shipments that may be carrying nuclear technology or other weapons.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in an interview broadcast Sunday that failing to take aggressive and effective action against North Korea could spark an arms race in northeast Asia.
“We will do everything we can to both interdict it and prevent it and shut off their flow of money,” Clinton said of possible attempts by North Korea to ship nuclear material. She spoke on ABC’s “This Week.”
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SolDevVB
Posted June 8, 2009 at 11:30 am | Permalink
787 billion dollars. 600,00 jobs. Do the math.
$1,311,666 per job and they are still missing the mark? Time to take the check book away.
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Hey! I’ll take some of that and even thank the taxpayers. :)
“We will do everything we can to both interdict it and prevent it and shut off their flow of money,” Clinton said of possible attempts by North Korea to ship nuclear material. She spoke on ABC’s “This Week.”
Didn’t her husband just pay them off when he was in office?
It seems the S.C. gov. will be taking some of that money too, after having his ass handed to him from a suit by a S.C. teenager!
Maybe the teenager would be a better governator.
Well here’s some good and bad news:
“A Minnesota man recruited to join an Al Qaeda-linked terrorist group overseas may have been assassinated in Somalia by the very terrorist group he went there to help.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been investigating for several months at least 20 Somali-American men from the Minneapolis area who recently traveled to Somalia to train with the terrorist group al-Shabaab.
One of those men — 17-year-old Burhan Hassan — was killed in Mogadishu on Friday, his uncle, Osman Ahmed, told FOX News.”
“Didn’t her husband just pay them off when he was in office?”
That and provide assistance to build two nuclear facilities.
“at least 20 Somali-American men from the Minneapolis area who recently traveled to Somalia to train with the terrorist group al-Shabaab.”
Do you suppose since Obama apologized for America, these boys would not have gone?
Perhaps that is the goal of the Stimulus Package Summer Youth Program? To keep these boys playing softball at home?
Well, I see that the Republican screamers are in fine voice today.
PSSSST! Guys! Obama is coming to take your guns away!
PSSSST! Guys! You’re gonna have to stand in line to see a doctor who you don’t know. Probably a Laotian!
PSSSST! Guys! Pelosi is going to make you wear lipstick!
“”(He) was a brilliant student with straight A’s and on top of his class,” Ahmed testified at a Senate hearing in March focusing on recruitment efforts by al-Shabaab. “He was an ambitious kid with the hope to go to Harvard University to study medicine or law and become a medical doctor or a lawyer.”
“He was a good boy, mother said. “All he ever wanted to do was grow up so he could strap on a few sticks of dynamite and blow himself up.”
In October 2008, 27-year-old college student Shirwa Ahmed of Minneapolis became “the first known American suicide bomber” when he blew himself up in Somalia, killing dozens, according to the FBI.
Regular,
You don’t need to apologize for your not understanding the 1933 is not part of the time period, “the first 30 years of the 20th century/late 19th century” — you’re just an old, retired, Industrial Hygiene Engineer.
So can someone explain how spending $1,311,666 per (temporary) job for 600,000 jobs (new and/or existing) with borrowed money is better than tax incentives for business to hire or retain employees? Don’t think you’d have to borrow for the second solution.
“(CNN) — An SUV carrying almost two dozen undocumented immigrants crashed in Arizona over the weekend, killing 10 people and injuring several others, state police reported Sunday.”
See. This wouldn’t have happened if everyone drove Honda Hybrids.
NEW YORK (AP) – The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.
But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect. Rates for mortgages and U.S. Treasury debt are now marching higher as nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.
ap story
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink
Regular,
You don’t need to apologize for your not understanding the 1933 is not part of the time period, “the first 30 years of the 20th century/late 19th century” — you’re just an old, retired, Industrial Hygiene Engineer.
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Oh, but I do understand, despite your insulting my profession.
The artificial constructs of “centuries” in one hundred year increments are good for marking time for historians and other man-made references, but not for evaluating climate.
The earth is not on a calendar, because earth has its own pattern of cyclical events that are independent of man and his influences – climate being one of these.
The ‘Henny Penny’ cries from the ‘Warmers’ about the 30 year warming and referencing an artificial calendar of 1970 to 2000 is virtually meaningless.
Not only does it disregard the natural climate cycles earth has shown over the past millions of years, it is patently ignorant to state that such a short time frame has any meaning when compared to 10,000 year or 100,000 year cycles.
Spitting in the wind and exclaiming one’s face gets wet is not the same as rainfall. :)
PSSSST! Guys! You’re gonna have to stand in line to see a doctor who you don’t know. Probably a Laotian!
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Well I already have a Vietnamese woman barber…does that count?
Does she love you BIG TIME? No sheat?
“how spending $1,311,666 per (temporary) job for 600,000 jobs (new and/or existing) with borrowed money”
Hey Sol! Can I just have the money? Someone else can have the job…
DOUBLE OBAMA SPEAK
The Obama administration, which recently has sought to highlight the achievements of the stimulus bill’s first 100 days in action, is kicking into high gear. It is expected to announce plans Monday to speed up the release of remaining stimulus funds over the next 100 days by targeting the best places to spend the cash.
(I’m so glad Obama knows better then we do, where and how to spend OUR money, aren’t you?)
“The stimulus itself has produced hundreds of thousands of jobs and projects all over this country. And it is just gaining momentum now.
(Who is believing this lie?)
The Obama administration warned at the height of the stimulus debate that without the recovery package, the jobless rate would hit 8.8 percent in 2010 — advisers had said the recovery package could hold unemployment to 7 percent. But that rate hit 8.9 percent in April, and then 9.4 percent last month.
(So, Obama by his own measurement, has failed.)
“I can tell you if we get to a $20 trillion debt, this country — and we’re headed down that road — our ability to pay and service that debt is going to be questioned all over the world,” he said.
(Anyone still btiching about the Bush Debt?)
Vice President Joe Biden said Friday that the stimulus is funding 3,600 projects and that $11 billion has been spent to date on highway construction. But while he argued the package was having an impact, he said, “less bad is not how we’re going to measure success.”
(Oh, if “Less Bad” isn’t the criteria to measure success, what is?)
“We will not be satisfied until we are adding jobs on a monthly basis,” Biden said.
(But Joe, your boss Obama said hundreds of thousands of jobs have been created!)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/07/white-house-advisers-push-stimulus-criticism/
SolDevVB
Posted June 8, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink
So can someone explain how spending $1,311,666 per (temporary) job for 600,000 jobs (new and/or existing) with borrowed money is better than tax incentives for business to hire or retain employees?
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Ah, more of the old Republican same-o, same-o. Everything can be fixed if we just give more tax cuts to business and the wealthy. That’s worked so well over the last few years.
“PSSSST! Guys! Pelosi is going to make you wear lipstick!”
I missed that one. Thanks for the warning XXX!!!!
nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.
1,200,000,000,000 Mortgage plan
700,000,000,000 TARP I
150,000,000,000 TARP II
410,000,000,000 Omnibus bill
1,750,000,000,000 Defict budget spending.
Now what would make them nervous about this administration and inflation?
Ah, more of the old Republican same-o, same-o. Everything can be fixed if we just give more tax cuts to business and the wealthy. That’s worked so well over the last few years.
So you have no answer. Can’t blame you.
XXX
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB
Posted June 8, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink
So can someone explain how spending $1,311,666 per (temporary) job for 600,000 jobs (new and/or existing) with borrowed money is better than tax incentives for business to hire or retain employees?
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Ah, more of the old Republican same-o, same-o. Everything can be fixed if we just give more tax cuts to business and the wealthy. That’s worked so well over the last few years.
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I don;t know. Let’s see. Unemployment then, unemployment now? Deficit then? Deficit now?
Business closings then? Business closings now?
Regular,
You don’t need to apologize for your not understanding climate science.
Which handgun would have the less kick a 9mm or 40 S&W, they have a 4.25 barrel, thinking about buying one in a little while.
Signs of Things to Come in America’s 2010 Elections:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525344,00.html
Europeans Punish Left-Leaning Parties in EU Vote
Sunday, June 07, 2009
Print ShareThisBERLIN — Conservatives scored victories in some of Europe’s largest economies Sunday as voters punished left-leaning parties in European parliament elections in France, Germany and other nations.
Some right-leaning parties said the results vindicated their reluctance to spend more on company bailouts and fiscal stimulus to combat the global economic crisis.
The European Union said center-right parties were expected to take the most seats — 267 — in the 736-member parliament. Center-left parties were headed for 159 seats. The remainder were expected to go to smaller groupings.
Right-leaning governments were ahead of the opposition in Germany, France, Italy and Belgium, while conservative opposition parties were leading in Britain and Spain.
Unemployment numbers may be worse than you think
“Friday’s news that the official unemployment rate is now at a 26-year high of 9.4% is actually a rosy spin on what is really happening.
The official unemployment stat that gets the headline treatment, the BLS’ U-3 data set, doesn’t count all sorts of folks who are unemployed and underemployed.
To get a more comprehensive snapshot of the labor picture you need to focus on the less well-known U-6 data set known as “alternative measures of labor utilization.” The U-6 includes folks counted in U-3 plus “ all marginally attached workers” as well as people who aren’t working full-time but wish they were (i.e., the underemployed.) Marginally employed covers “persons who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the recent past.”
And when you add up U-3 and all the underutilized workers the official U-6 rate for May 2009 is 16.4%. That’s an official BLS-generated stat that no one really wants to talk about.”
Obama worst president in US history.
Someone needs to tell the libs in Washington or I can see change coming in 2010:
“It’s the economy stupid!!”
Phantom
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
Which handgun would have the less kick a 9mm or 40 S&W, they have a 4.25 barrel, thinking about buying one in a little while.
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Depends on the model, but usually the 40 S&W is pretty snappy with more recoil then the 9.
I think most 45’s have less recoil then the 40.
The 40 is a great caliber, but you want to get the largest caliber which you can shoot comfortably and accurately. For some, that may mean 38’s or 380.
Ammo price is now more of a factor then before, due to shortages of all calibers. 9’s are cheaper then 40’s.
Would giving the businesses money to retain/hire employees rebuild the infrastructure? Anyway, businesses hire and retain employees on the basis of business demand (demand side economics, dontcha know).
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Credit card delinquency rates jumped 11% in the first quarter…
Blue states had the highest deliquency (no suprise)
State by state: Delinquency rates were highest in Nevada, at 2.44%; Florida, with 1.9%; and Arizona, 1.68%.
Rates were lowest in North Dakota, at 0.73%; South Dakota, at 0.77%; and Alaska, at 0.77%.
(CNN)
Libs better throw some money at this one. Don’t let this emergency go to waste!
Would giving the businesses money to retain/hire employees rebuild the infrastructure?
I see. So you people lied. This want’ about helping the economy, it was rebuilding the infrastructure. Thanks for pointing out the lie.
Looks like they’re both s&w, and come with a laser light, that should be good if the wife ever had to use it.
Nothing like killing two birds with one stone.
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
Regular,
You don’t need to apologize for your not understanding climate science.
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cosmos,
No need to apologize you are denier of natural Earth climate change.
Everyone knows your motives are purely political and for an agenda-based power grab.
Your agenda-based pseudo ‘Warmer’ science is politically driven.
Libs are already starting to reign in on the credit card companies, their heyday is going to slow down.
2010 will be interesting as the Dem’s try and portray a pi-s poor economy as being less bad then it would have been without the Dem’s spending Trillions of Dollars on stimulating things.
Just picture the Dem Slogans that will be on radio/TV, bumper stickers and yard signs:
-The Economy S*cks Less Then Before!
-Fewer Jobs Lost in 2010!
-Annual Deficit Now Under $2 Trillion!
-10 Million Jobs Saved or Created!
-Unemployment Falls to 10%!!!
Nothing like killing two birds with one stone.
Mkay. Seen the unemployment numbers? Something is dying, but it ain’t the recession.
Phantom
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink
Libs are already starting to reign in on the credit card companies, their heyday is going to slow down.
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Punishing the employers of America has worked out so well too.
“Libs are already starting to reign in on the credit card companies, their heyday is going to slow down.”
Doesn’t have a darn thing to do with consumer credit. Irresponsible people are not paying off their just debts. Just like their government.
Imagine that.
Phantom
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
Would giving the businesses money to retain/hire employees rebuild the infrastructure? Anyway, businesses hire and retain employees on the basis of business demand (demand side economics, dontcha know).
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So how is the Government Stimulous creating this Demand?
JimJohnson,
Naw, O’Bama will just make it by executive order than unemployment will now be only referenced in regard to those employed.
So, in 2010, government reports will state there are 87 percent employed rather than 13 percent unemployed.
Oh and lowering the max interest rates and fees charged by credit card companies, just what impact has that had on those with good credit who pay their bills on time?
Socialist Impact: Those who pay their bills now pay higher rates.
Nothing like paying for your deadbeat neighbor’s house, now you get to pay for their credit card debt too!
You’ve got to pray just to make it today – NOT
“Evangelical Group Banned From Tulsa Housing Projects, Chapter Leader Says”
A Christian evangelical group that works to improve the lives of underprivileged children says it has been prohibited from conducting Bible study classes in public housing projects in Tulsa, Okla., potentially violating a Supreme Court ruling that upheld religious groups’ right to the use of public institutions.” Foxnews
Oh, I’m sure the Gov’t numbers will be improved, even if it means reinventing some new math to use better formulas and create better results.
The credit card companies were pulling the same scam as the mortgage companies, giving credit to any and everybody so they could charge outlandish rates, and selling off the receivables. How’d that not effect everybody.
“nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.
Now what would make them nervous about this administration and inflation?”
Pushing up home mortgage rates already. The Obama spending is starting to show it’s evil effects. Soon inflation will keep anyone from being able to buy a house. Or a car, or anything else.
Obama’s solution: SPEND EVEN FASTER!!
Was Clinton lying then, or is she lying now?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/07/obama-answered-clinton-says/
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Sunday took back what was arguably her toughest criticism of her former presidential primary foe, saying President Obama is entirely capable of handling the so-called “3 a.m. call.”
The hypothetical phone call was the centerpiece of one of Clinton’s most powerful primary campaign ads. The ad, which raised the question of whether her one-time opponent could handle an international crisis in the middle of the night, complemented her criticism on the trail that Obama was naive and untested.
Now that Clinton serves in Obama’s Cabinet, Clinton said Obama “absolutely” has answered that question — in the affirmative.
“The credit card companies were pulling the same scam as the mortgage companies, giving credit to any and everybody”
Blah,blah,blah, evil, blah-blah. Poor people blah-blah, couldn’t read, blah, couldn’t read the small print, blah-blah. Worse is blue states because poor people, blah-blah…
Nothing is ever the result if individual personal responsibility anymore.
Always someone else’s fault.
Regular posted June 8, 2009 at 11:56 am
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink
Regular,
You don’t need to apologize for your not understanding the 1933 is not part of the time period, “the first 30 years of the 20th century/late 19th century” — you’re just an old, retired, Industrial Hygiene Engineer.
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Oh, but I do understand, despite your insulting my profession.
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Regular posted June 8, 2009 at 12:14 pm
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
Regular,
You don’t need to apologize for your not understanding climate science.
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cosmos,
No need to apologize you are denier of natural Earth climate change.
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Regular,
It’s you who is insulting your own Industrial Hygiene profession, by lying about AGW science. AGW science does not deny “natural Earth climate change”.
Something for everyone today
“You worry a lot about the environment and do everything you can to reduce your carbon footprint — the emissions of greenhouse gases that drive dangerous climate change.
So you always prefer to take the train or the bus rather than a plane, and avoid using a car whenever you can, faithful to the belief that this inflicts less harm to the planet.
Well, there could be a nasty surprise in store for you, for taking public transport may not be as green as you automatically think, says a new US study. Itts authors point out an array of factors that are often unknown to the public.
These are hidden or displaced emissions that ramp up the simple “tailpipe” tally, which is based on how much carbon is spewed out by the fossil fuels used to make a trip.
Environmental engineers Mikhail Chester and Arpad Horvath at the University of California at Davis say that when these costs are included, a more complex and challenging picture emerges.
In some circumstances, for instance, it could be more eco-friendly to drive into a city — even in an SUV, the bete noire of green groups — rather than take a suburban train. It depends on seat occupancy and the underlying carbon cost of the mode of transport. “
Why doesn’t it feel good to give?
“The taxpayers’ investment in the U.S. auto industry rose to $80.3 billion, after the U.S. Treasury provided a new $30.1 billion bankruptcy loan to General Motors (GMGMQ: undefined, undefined, undefined%) on Wednesday, two days after GM filed for bankruptcy, a new Treasury report said.” Foxnews
American_Way
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:26 pm | Permalink
Obama’s solution: SPEND EVEN FASTER!!
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Oh, that was Bush’s solution too!
Only Bush asked for people to spend directly, instead of having the Government spend their money for them.
Either way, there’s a deficit.
But isn’t it much better having the Government decide how to spend our money?
Phantom
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink
Which handgun would have the less kick a 9mm or 40 S&W, they have a 4.25 barrel, thinking about buying one in a little while.
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The .40 is going to have a little more kick. You’re talking about fairly small weapons. Recoil shouldn’t be an issue with either one unless it’s going to be fired by a small woman..
“But isn’t it much better having the Government decide how to spend our money?”
Remember when Bush was president and CapnAmerica and I would post about the deficit and CapnAmerica would come back with deficit as percent of GDP to justify it?
Guess it doesn’t matter that Obama’s huge deficit is eating up more GDP…….
XXX,
No, you are right, I have not seen any plans to actually come take my guns away from me.
However, the Obama administration and many Democratic members of Congress have said they want to prevent people like me from buying many types of guns, supporting registrations of all my guns, and many other carious gun control measuress.
So, yeah, technically, no one is coming to take my guns. But they want to stop me and many others from buying any more.
Gun fetishist “Nathaniel” admits –
“…I have not seen any plans to actually come take my guns away from me.”
But keep up the good fight, boy!
Against… uhm, nothing.
How long will it be before democrats start seeing the light and realize they’ve been had?
http://www.democrats-against-obama.org/home.html
Agreed on the recoil XXX. There is a noticeable difference though.
If I was going to have just one handgun, I’d go with the 40, though I don’t think you can go wrong with 9, 40 or 45.
40 gives you more knock down power then a 9, while being a little smaller (and lighter) then the 45 and slightly easier to carry concealed. Also, ammo for a 40 is cheaper then the 45.
If I had to pick one, it’d be the Springfield XDm 40, with 16+1 capacity. Should be able to find it from $550 to $650. I’d also recommend night sites.
Glock 22 (40 S&W) would be my next choice, and slightly less expensive in the $499 to $599 range. Capacity is 15+1.
I’ve found the XD to be more accurate then the Glock, I think because of the grip angle. But that’s just my personal experience.
If I had to pick one, it’d be the Springfield XDm 40, with 16+1 capacity. Should be able to find it from $550 to $650. I’d also recommend night sites.
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I have one in 40, I think the recoil is easily managed. I don’t think many people would have a problem with it.
The XDm .40 S&W is a excellent choice in my opinion.
Phantom if you are not familiar with these types of weapons I suggest you get some training. The Bullet Stop offers several classes that maybe helpful to you and/or your wife.
Be Safe.
Nathaniel
Posted June 8, 2009 at 12:53 pm | Permalink
XXX,
No, you are right, I have not seen any plans to actually come take my guns away from me.
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You must be ignoring the numerous Bills introduced by Democrats in Congress over the last few years.
You must also be ignoring Obama’s record on guns.
But don’t take my word for it, look up Obama’s record at:
ontheissues dot org
Barack Obama on Gun Control
Click here for 13 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.
Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions. (Aug 2008)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
April 2008: “Bittergate” labeled Obama elitist. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities–but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Look up Congressional Gun Bills at:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/legislation.xpd
Also see Obama’s Slippery Oratory at:
http://www.nraila.org/pdfs/sg0508.pdf
Obama voting twice against the same Bill that would allow law-abiding people to actually have guns in their homes in the state of Illinois.
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
http://www.issues2000.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
XXX,
I stand corrected. There you have it. If you include the local laws in places like Chicago, the Democrats and Obama do indeed want to take peoples guns away.
I hate to post links, but just for monkeyspank….
http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp
Notice that the Unemployment was trending down to lower than post 9/11 numbers when the demorats took office and passed the increase in minimum wage.
ISLAMABAD — The U.S. is embarking on a $1 billion crash program to expand its diplomatic presence in Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan, another sign that the Obama administration is making a costly, long-term commitment to war-torn South Asia, U.S. officials said Wednesday.
The White House has asked Congress for — and seems likely to receive — $736 million to build a new U.S. embassy in Islamabad, along with permanent housing for U.S. government civilians and new office space in the Pakistani capital.
The scale of the projects rivals the giant U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, which was completed last year after construction delays at a cost of $740 million.
“The scale of the projects rivals the giant U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, which was completed last year after construction delays at a cost of $740 million”
Wasn;t that offered as proof of Bush’s colonalism of Bagdad endeavors? So, does Obama want to colonialize Pakistan?
Maybe he just wants to spend some of that TARP FUNDS!
“A divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that a West Virginia justice shouldn’t have participated in state court decisions overturning a $50 million judgment against A.T. Massey Coal Co., whose chief executive had been a major financial supporter of the justice’s campaign for office.
The court ruled 5-4 that West Virginia Justice Brent Benjamin should have recused himself from the cases because the A.T. Massey campaign contributions, which totaled more than $3 million, created a serious risk that Mr. Benjamin would be biased in the case.
Associated Press
The Supreme Court
Justice Anthony Kennedy said campaign contributions made by A.T. Massey’s chief executive, Don Blankenship, came at a time when the company had a vested stake in the composition of the West Virginia high court.
“Just as no man is allowed to be a judge in his own cause, similar fears of bias can arise when…a man chooses the judge in his own cause,” Mr. Kennedy wrote. “And applying this principle to the judicial election process, there was a serious, objective risk of actual bias that required Justice Benjamin’s recusal.”
The Supreme Court’s four-member liberal wing joined the moderate conservative Mr. Kennedy in ruling against Massey.”
Wow. for a change, I agree with the four member liberal wing and the moderate conservate Justice Kennedy.
Don’t go too hard on the Chinese. They’re the only shot we’ve got at stopping the spending spree by them turning off the lending spigot. At least it feels good to know that the Fed Reserve joined the game and hired a lobbyist to fight off HR 1207, the bill asking to audit their books. Hmmm, since the Fed Reserve’s actually a private institution, wonder it is subject to the increases in FDIC premiums?
Holder and the DOJ are opening the voter fraud floodgates in Georgia. The Georgia secretary of state explains:
Obama Justice Department Decision Will Allow Non-Citizens to Register to Vote in Georgia
Decision Bars Georgia From Continuing Voter Verification Process
Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel issued the following statement following the U.S. Department of Justice’s denial of preclearance of Georgia’s voter verification process:
Atlanta – “The decision by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) to deny preclearance of Georgia’s already implemented citizenship verification process shows a shocking disregard for the integrity of our elections. With this decision, DOJ has now barred Georgia from continuing the citizenship verification program that DOJ lawyers helped to craft. DOJ’s decision also nullifies the orders of two federal courts directing Georgia to implement the procedure for the 2008 general election. The decision comes seven months after Georgia requested an expedited review of the preclearance submission.
“DOJ has thrown open the door for activist organizations such as ACORN to register non-citizens to vote in Georgia’s elections, and the state has no ability to verify an applicant’s citizenship status or whether the individual even exists. DOJ completely disregarded Georgia’s obvious and direct interest in preventing non-citizens from voting, instead siding with the ACLU and MALDEF. Clearly, politics took priority over common sense and good public policy.
“This process is critical to protecting the integrity of our elections. We have evidence that non-citizens have voted in past Georgia elections and that more than 2,100 individuals have attempted to register, yet still have questions regarding their citizenship. Further, the Inspector General’s office is investigating more than 30 cases of non-citizens casting ballots in Georgia elections, including the case of a Henry County non-citizen who registered to vote and cast ballots in 2004 and 2006.
“It is important to underscore that not a single person has come forward to say he or she could not vote because of the verification process. Further, while DOJ argues that the process is somehow discriminatory, the historic voter turnout among Hispanic and African-American voters in the 2008 general elections clearly says otherwise.
“This decision provides a specific example of the inherently illogical and unfair nature of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. It is a sad day for the rights of our state and for the integrity of our elections.”
Amway – Holder’s just continuing the legacy that the 10th Amendment/state’s rights don’t exist. I’m sure ACORN will get it all worked out for him in GA.
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090606/GPG0101/90606042/1261/GPG05/Weather++Record+temperature+set+in+Green+Bay+Saturday
The high temperature for the day, reached at 9:50 a.m., was 52. That set a record for the lowest high temperature for June 6, according to the National Weather Service office in Ashwaubenon.
The old mark was 53, set in 1943.
Similar records were set across Wisconsin today. Manitowoc’s high was 54, breaking the record of 56 set in 1935. In central Wisconsin, records were set in Stevens Point, Wisconsin Rapids, Marshfield and Merrill, all breaking marks set in 1935.
Better get used to it. There are showers and thunderstorms in the forecast for Green Bay through Monday night, with highs of 55 on Sunday and 59 on Monday. Things look better for Tuesday, when it’s expected to be partly sunny and 66.
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Mother nature continues to “deny” the AGW alarmists theory.
“ACORN will get it all worked out for him in GA.”
That’s what I’m afraid of. Thanks for the summary
on HR 1207, the bill asking to audit their books.
I had missed that sneaky act by our more open government.
JimJohnson
Posted June 8, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
Agreed on the recoil XXX. There is a noticeable difference though.
If I was going to have just one handgun, I’d go with the 40, though I don’t think you can go wrong with 9, 40 or 45.
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If I was only going to have one handgun, it’d be a .45 semi. For the size of the bullet, the knock-down is unbeatable.
Nathaniel
Posted June 8, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink
XXX,
I stand corrected. There you have it. If you include the local laws in places like Chicago, the Democrats and Obama do indeed want to take peoples guns away.
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Come on, guys! Of course the Dems want to take your guns away. If they had their way, no private citizen would be legally able to own a firearm. But what they want and what they can actually do is two different issues. While you might not like Democrats, you’d be very foolish to think they’re stupid. They haven’t forgotten what happened after the last time they banned “assault” weapons. They got turned out of office in droves, and rightly so. I’d be very surprised if they try that again. If they do, I’ll be right out there with you trying to get every anti-gun Dem booted out of office.
In the mean time, you cons need to un-bunch your panties. It’s bad for circulation.
reggie,
“Ahoy! Pirate Party gets berth in European Parliament”
Wow! Somebody wants to try a purely capitalist system? That’s something that’s never been done before! I’d like to see what happens.
donndublin posted June 8, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Mother nature continues to “deny” the AGW alarmists theory.
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donndublin continues to irrationally insist that a very small region = “global”.
Mother nature is unable to “deny” the warming caused by humans increasing Earth’s levels of greenhouse gases.
Here’s part of what those of us in the Obama Gün Squads are counting on is:
When we invade your homes with storm-trooper tactics, anyone who shoots back will be immediately wiped out!
If you don’t shoot back, you obviously aren’t a gun fetishist and will get a pass!
Mother nature is unable to “deny” the warming caused by humans increasing Earth’s levels of greenhouse gases.
And the seven years of falling temperatures? Looks like that will still be the trend.
The high temperature for the day, reached at 9:50 a.m., was 52. That set a record for the lowest high temperature for June 6, according to the National Weather Service office in Ashwaubenon.
The old mark was 53, set in 1943.
Wait until hansen “adjusts” the number. It will be ~102 — “HOTTEST DAY ON RECORD!!!”
Monkeyhawk
Posted June 8, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
Here’s part of what those of us in the Obama Gün Squads are counting on is:
When we invade your homes with storm-trooper tactics, anyone who shoots back will be immediately wiped out!
If you don’t shoot back, you obviously aren’t a gun fetishist and will get a pass!
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Ease up, Monkeyhawk! They’ll be having heart attacks all over the place!
(Besides, I thought we all agreed at the last Brown Shirt meeting to keep the plans secret)
Ok, now that was crazy. Went to Gander mountain, told them I’d take the 9mm, he asked what else I’d like, and I told him ammo. He said they didn’t have any, so I asked where I could get some, he said nowhere, there’d been too great a demand and it was very hard to find.
I told him I didn’t need a gun without ammo.
I told him I didn’t need a gun without ammo.
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Buy a claw hammer.
I did buy a buck hunting knife. Sharp as a straight razor.
Guess I could’ve used the 9mm for a hammer, and pistol whip the invader.
Phantom
Posted June 8, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink
Ok, now that was crazy. Went to Gander mountain, told them I’d take the 9mm, he asked what else I’d like, and I told him ammo. He said they didn’t have any, so I asked where I could get some, he said nowhere, there’d been too great a demand and it was very hard to find.
I told him I didn’t need a gun without ammo.
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Well, I hope you Cons are happy. You’ve bought up all of the ammo. Once again you’ve made things difficult for those of us who are normal.
XXX,
I see. So you admit that you know the Democrats would like to take our guns away and pass almost any measure towards more gun control.
You just think we shouldn’t care that much, sit around oblivious to that fact, and then what?
When it happens then try to react to it?
While they continue to fight for public opinion to support their gun control?
That makes absolutely no sense and then you mock us because we do care…
Our caring is what is keeping the Democrats from doing what they want to do. Our caring is what is currently funding the NRA to help lobby those in Congress to not pass gun control.
If we all sat around oblivious to the fact of what the Demcorats were wanting to and not caring then the Democrats would be able to muster up the support and pass more gun control.
Well, I hope you Cons are happy. You’ve bought up all of the ammo. Once again you’ve made things difficult for those of us who are normal.
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No we haven’t, Obama caused the run on ammo/guns.
Going to Gander Mountain for ammo was Phantom’s first mistake.
Phantom,
Welcome to the club of going to Walmart at midnight to catch the shipments of ammo after it is stocked and before it is all bought up.
Might’ve been a good time to buy the gun, then when sanity returns and folks quit hoarding all the ammo, could be able to use it then.
But that might be 8yrs.
Once again you’ve made things difficult for those of us who are normal.-XXX
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Says the guy who could substitute bowling balls for bullets in his hand gun.
;)
Nathaniel
Posted June 8, 2009 at 3:13 pm | Permalink
XXX,
I see. So you admit that you know the Democrats would like to take our guns away and pass almost any measure towards more gun control.
You just think we shouldn’t care that much, sit around oblivious to that fact, and then what?
When it happens then try to react to it?
While they continue to fight for public opinion to support their gun control?
That makes absolutely no sense and then you mock us because we do care…
Our caring is what is keeping the Democrats from doing what they want to do. Our caring is what is currently funding the NRA to help lobby those in Congress to not pass gun control.
If we all sat around oblivious to the fact of what the Demcorats were wanting to and not caring then the Democrats would be able to muster up the support and pass more gun control.
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Nathan, get a grip! The Democrats are NOT going to take away your guns. Get off your soapbox.
You’re such a Drama Queen!
“Nathaniel” belongs to a CLUB! that goes “…to Walmart at midnight to catch the shipments of ammo after it is stocked and before it is all bought up.”
Nothing obsessive about that, boy.
Nothing at all.
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink
donndublin posted June 8, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Mother nature continues to “deny” the AGW alarmists theory.
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donndublin continues to irrationally insist that a very small region = “global”.
Mother nature is unable to “deny” the warming caused by humans increasing Earth’s levels of greenhouse gases.
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Tell your comrade BlowJay about that. He said that the warmest February in Kansas(since they started keeping records) was “undisputed proof” of global warming.
Then there’s all those people( maybe three or four) he asked one day that settled the world wide argument. Didn’t you know that BJ is an autistic AGW genius? sarc-off.
Phantom,
I forgot to tell you about the New Way to buy a gun – post Obama election.
Look for the ammo FIRST. Then buy a gun to match the caliber of bullets you have.
My top secret local gun shop has had tons of 5.7 x 28 for example. I’m considering buying that ammo, then getting the Five Seven in 5.7 x 28, even though that will run me $1,029.
A gun without ammo does make a good paperweight.
XXX,
What about the people in Chicago? Do you tell them that the government doesn’t want their guns… when they can’t even own them?
I have a grip. You are ignoring the facts and asking us to share in your oblivion.
Nathaniel
Posted June 8, 2009 at 3:16 pm | Permalink
Phantom,
Welcome to the club of going to Walmart at midnight to catch the shipments of ammo after it is stocked and before it is all bought up.
(shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh……..)
PetMonkey,
It was a figure of speech. Even the dumbest amoung us could have figured that out.
Nathaniel
Posted June 8, 2009 at 3:30 pm | Permalink
PetMonkey,
It was a figure of speech. Even the dumbest amoung us could have figured that out.
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That’s right. Everyone knows they don’t usually have the shelves stocked until after 4 am.
So usually 6 am is the time to be there.
donndublin,
So you believe that BlueJay = the only source of AGW science?
Okay. . . whatever.
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 8, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink
donndublin,
So you believe that BlueJay = the only source of AGW science?
Okay. . . whatever.
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Just like the IPCC, cosMo manufactures evidence to meet his totalitarian ends.
See?
That’s why I participate in this forum!
To learn from this century’s George Bernard Shaws! To learn from (maybe in more ways than one) this era’s Oscar Wilde!
I get “Nathaniel!”
Who contributes brand new “figures of speech” such as –
“Welcome to the club of going to Walmart at midnight to catch the shipments of ammo after it is stocked and before it is all bought up.”
(!)
See how lucky we are?
“Nathaniel” is developing new “figures of speech!”
And the boy goes on with –
“Even the dumbest amoung us could have figured that out.”
So I’m NOT the dumbest “amoung” us?!
That’s probably the nicest thing any CON in this forum has ever said to me.
(You’re not coming onto me are ya, boy?)
DumbMonkey,
If you couldn’t figure it out and I said the dumbest amoung us could… well… That is saying you are dumber than the dumb…
I didnt know there were so many red herring in this part of the country… Does it take a special license to keep them??
Chas
Posted June 8, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
I didnt know there were so many red herring in this part of the country… Does it take a special license to keep them??
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Chas,
Place a net under your keyboard and I’m sure you will limit out.
donndublin,
Please take some personal responsibility, and also try to understand what you yourself post.
You attacked my post to you, by attacking BlueJay’s posts.
Temperatures in a very small region do not accurately represent the global temperature. If you disagree with my claim, then post your arguments to refute my claim.
Oh no, “Nathaniel” –
If you contend you’re the “…dumbest of us…,” I take you at your word.
“If you disagree with my claim, then post your arguments to refute my claim.” [cosmos]
Cosmos, it’s that “refutation fallacy” part of that “red herring” thing — LOL
cosMo, why don’t you be intellectually honest and admit that you and other neo-eco-fanatics use the same argument when you point at melting ice in Western Antarctica which is a fraction of Eastern Antarctica which has a expanding ice mass many times that of the west?
“Well, I hope you Cons are happy. You’ve bought up all of the ammo. ”
You were warned about this months ago. But you are being unusually blind today. It wasn’t just “Cons” standinging in lines at the gun shows. I met people from all walks of life, all manners of dress – from suits to white trailer trash, all religions, and lots of democrats too.
Just look at Phantom above. It’s not just whoever meets your criteria of “con” buying guns and ammo.
What type of ammo are you looking for XXX? Under the new barter system, perhaps we can work something out.
Activist Supreme Court Justice stops sale of Chrysler to Fiat.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/08/breaking-supreme-court-halts-chyrsler-sale-fiat/
Shortly before attending Dr. Tiller’s last rites, I engaged in a brief argument with a well-meaning woman about the doctor’s public statements.
As in – his rare outbursts of angry at those who were tormenting him.
Evidently, one well-known (but now a has-been) anti-abortion advocate was the recipient of the physician’s ire on one occasion. “He really shouldn’t say things like that,” the woman bleated.
“Ma’am, it was Randall Terry – what would you expect?” I demanded. “What would you do?”
“Not only was he making terroristic threats against abortionists, but he dropped his load all over this city 18 years ago. Moreover, if you wish to see narcissism in its baldest, baddest form – read some of his latest writings. It’ll curl yer toes.”
The lib dope Obama cannot prove he created or saved any jobs. Bureau of Labor Statistics agrees. He cannot prove any of it.
But remember the rush to get the Recovery Act Stimulus signed in February? Since that date how many jobs has the trillion dollars saved?
He claims 150,000. What a joke: Our nation lost over one million jobs in that time period.
America is being deceived by an artful dodger.
“Oh, I see,” the woman admitted. “I didn’t know.”
In honor of Dr. Tiller, who was known to be feisty from time to time in the face of absurdity, I wished to make my own statement to one of the Phelpses last Saturday.
I mean – ladies: When you’ve beheld someone of such unvarnished virility – of such untainted strength and might – of such unbridled manhood that it nearly cleaved my heart in two and scattered the halves into the void….
Well, you know the FilmFan was riven. And I wanted to let the fine little fellow know it.
What did the FilmFan almost do?
Well……..
Now’s probably not the time to discuss it….
If the anti-abortion groups are right, how many years in hell do you suppose Tiller will get?
Amway…let’s give the poor guy the benefit of the doubt. Let’s assume he did personally “save 150,000 jobs” as he claims (with abosolutely no proof whatsoever).
At a cost of 800 billion dollars, that is the BARGAIN price of $5.3 million per job ’saved’.
I don’t know that our economy can survive much more ’saving’ at that rate.
Now’s not the frickin’ time to discuss it because I’m just so love-lorn….
I’m just so torn-up with unresolved longing and pre-harridan horniness that I can’t speak.
I’m just so waylaid with unanticipated, postmenopausal desire run amok that I need a cold shower….
Oh, I just miss that may-un SO much.
Ooh, if only Freddie knew what one of his progeny was doing to me……..
He’d probably make him a steer….
But I cain’t describe all of it right now.
It wouldn’t be polite.
Awww go for it, Film Fan… At least send it back to yourself in an email… That will make you feel better…. ok??
“BARGAIN price of $5.3 million per job ’saved’.”
Makes me sick. Plus he is bragging about it on TV. He keeps talking about the “summertime jobs” for young people and teachers.
Duh! Those are not going to help our long term economic recovery. Those are very very short time jobs with no foundation in business.
Oh – the heck with it. Sometimes the FilmFan’s a lil’ feisty, too.
And when you’ve been in the midst of such a fine, foxy testosterone banquet as I was a week ago Sunday, you’ll never be the same.
‘Cause when you’re goin’ through “the change,” certain things happen. Or don’t happen, depending upon one’s perspective. (Don’t worry – I won’t draw anyone a picture – it wouldn’t be ladylike.)
But I’m here to give all the postmenopausal women hope. If you want to be transported back to your hormonal heyday (even if you weren’t getting any; I certainly wasn’t) – behold the Phelpses.
You’ll get that tingle that you thought had long since dwindled. You’ll get that breathless, all-consuming agony that’ll help you lose about fifty freaking pounds.
You’ll be taking tiny, mincing steps like all girls do when they’re engulfed with erotic passion.
You’ll…..well, you’ll……
“Those are very very short time jobs with no foundation in business.” [AmWay]
How MUCH is Chicken Little goin to cry today?? No foundation in business, you claim?? And you can show this how?? How can you be CERTAIN that somebody’s Summer job wont turn into something permanent later??
BTW, most teachers dont have TIME to work a 2 month job… Many employers wont hire people for 2 months… It can take that long for a new worker to be trained…
Flim, you should really stay off the Extecy.
You’ll stagger away a churning, steaming cauldron of roiling pre-funk fruitopia – unable to stand still, stand up or stand it.
Now – when a dude can enact something like this is an old broadola – it’s fairly extraordinary.
When a mighty man of gawd can turn The Scorched Earth into The Femme-Viagra Falls, well my gosh – he deserves glory, laud and honor.
So-o-o-o, I wanted to show my appreciation on Saturday. I was gonna blow the love-filled lothario a slow, langorous, sensuous kiss – with a look that bespoke of unspoken things.
But I couldn’t – ’cause the moe-rons were thankfully kept out of sight and mind. So I missed my chance for happiness.
Anyway, that was my version of “The Old Man and the Sea.” I call it “The Old Woman and the Bedsheet.” And now I’ve gotta learn to walk normal agin.
Dude: I wasn’t walkin’ on eggshells like yer pappy thinks all wimmin should. I was teetering around all over the place ’cause I was just SO agonized – like all girls do when they’re in love.
But I think I’m OK now. It took a few dry dreams, but I’m back to normal. So gawd must have taken pity on the old broad…..unlike yourself.
Never taken ecstasy, Dubbie.
Your spelling is as accurate as your accusations.
BTW, most teachers dont have TIME to work a 2 month job… Many employers wont hire people for 2 months… It can take that long for a new worker to be trained…(Chas)
How MUCH is Chas Little goin to cry today?? And you can show this how?? How can you be CERTAIN that “Many employers wont hire people for 2 months??
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BTW My fiancee has been a teacher for more than 20 years and works most summers as well as many of her teacher friends. But then…. they’re not lazy libs like you seem to congregate with.
FilmFan,
You sure have a way with words. I hope you find some peace regarding your relationship with your brother.
Sibling issues can be tricky.
Thank you, Daniel:
You’re a lone comforting voice in the wilderness today.
‘Tis a cruel thing – to love when one is not loved. It is a wretched thing – to have desire when one is not desired.
Oooh, if only the Phelps dude knew what he DID to this dwindling demi-diva.
Anyway – thanks for the statement here. I truly don’t know where the semi-reconciliation with my bro’ is going to go. But I’m really not into wholly one-sided relationships these days.
It really hurts one’s self-esteem. And I don’t need any more pain – not after nearly pulling my tresses out over that steercotted studly-mayun at the vigil last Sunday……
Obviously ammo is on short supply because they are buying it all up for us in Obama’s “well-armed” civilian security force! I have cases buried already!
That stuff you will being sold…. remember “Project Eldest Son” ??
You’ll be taking tiny, mincing steps like all girls do when they’re engulfed with erotic passion.
That would explain the fingernail scars on my back. :)
notice how chas ignores the main point of the false claims of “saved jobs” at a cost of BILLIONS and instead goes right for the jugular, of individual part time jobs. Great job of denying the facts, there chas….that the ’saved jobs’ claim is an unprovable and ridiculous claim.
Obama lied or was he wrong on unemployment? Obama said it would go to 8%.
Which is it?
And how many more billions will it take to bring it down to say, just his 8%?
teehee
http://site.despair.com/governmentmotors/
I’ve never owned a Ford in my life. Neither has my father, his brother, or my grandfather.
But as long as Obama has his fingers in Chrysler and GM things are looking good for a Ford as my next new vehicle purchase.
Chas actually believes Obama is saving jobs.
He really is that stupid. Believe it or not!
9.4% Unemployment Rate Today!
Hey, I know how Obama could raise employment, take more money from the people in the form of taxes and spend it. That’d work. And raise the price of energy by increasing regulations and taxes on that energy. That would even be more brillianter.
OBAMA: “We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” _ from news conference.
THE FACTS: This assertion is flawed on several levels. For starters, the U.S. has lost more than 1.2 million jobs since Obama took office, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Even if Obama’s stimulus bill saved or created as many jobs as he says, that number is dwarfed by the number of recent job losses.
OBAMA: “Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me. [LIAR!!] Number two, there is almost uniform consensus among economists that in the middle of the biggest crisis, financial crisis, since the Great Depression, we had to take extraordinary steps. So you’ve got a lot of Republican economists who agree that we had to do a stimulus package and we had to do something about the banks. Those are one-time charges, and they’re big, and they’ll make our deficits go up over the next two years.” — in Missouri.
THE FACTS: Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited. A Republican president, George W. Bush, had a role, too: He signed the legislation.
Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.”
This has been a public truth announcement brought to by American Way and friends at Surfing the Turd.
Now Now, Amway…you should know better than that. Facts are not appreciated around here. Be prepared for the typical onslaught of personal insults and attacks that is the usual response to facts.
Sad…immature and very, very sad.
Gallup: Obama Spending Like an Idiot Proving Unpopular
“At the low end of the spectrum, only 45% of Americans approve of Obama’s handling of federal spending, and 46% of his handling of the federal budget deficit.
These numbers are far from daunting. However considering the slavish devotion he’s getting from the press it is noteworthy that the most obvious example of his incompetence is being noticed by the public.
Obama is bound to become the most unpopular president in history. This is just the first step.”
Dakota Politics.
I’m rarely wrong.
I was SURE that “don” was okobserver.
They MUST be related.
For the record, “donndublin” is NOT in fact okokbserver,
I don’t know if he will find it comforting that he comes across as a cranky and not terribly bright old lady when he is in fact a cranky and not terribly bright old man….
But there it is.
Meet a dork.
http://www.myspace.com/donndublin
“Chas actually believes Obama is saving jobs.”
Even if Chas believes the 150,000 BS number Obama pulled out of his *ss, hows that compare with the total unemployed and increase just in May?
“The number of unemployed persons increased by 787,000 to 14.5 million in May.” BLS.gov
Talk about a self defeating statement in it’s self!
BlueJay: “I’m rarely wrong.”
LOL
…some are just more equal than others.
http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn/mayordaley.jpg
Bluejay your life really does revolve around these blogs doesn’t it? You spend your day and night trying to place us all into yout little boxes?
So a great accomplishment for you tonight. You outted another bloggers true identity and revealed it.
You are somebodies hero. I just don’t know who that could be.
14.5 million hungry people.
And Obama brags he is the savior of 150,000 “new created jobs or saved jobs”.
ruh roh jughead!!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues
And about that “created or saved”. Do you think Obama could maybe clarify that for us?
How many of those 150,000 are new?
How many of those 150,000 are saved?
He should KNOW that, right? RIGHT?
SOMEthing must make up 150,000. It didn’t come out of thin air, did it?
Not as much as yours does “American way”.
You seem available to post here much more than me.
Bluejay’s true identity:
http://www.epatric.com/funstuff/dog/
Is Ryann Rimel playing dirty again?
Looks Like the Supreme Court MIGHT Be Lookin To Stop Obama’s Socialist Buyouts and Takeovers of Private Industry!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/08/breaking-supreme-court-halts-chyrsler-sale-fiat/
Supreme Court Halts Chrysler Sale to Fiat
The Supreme Court on Monday granted an emergency appeal asking it to halt the impending government-backed sale of Chrysler to Italian automaker Fiat.
TWO Issues Being Addressed:
1. The Government has no right to take your private property without due process and with out JUST compensation.
2. The Treasury Department is breaking the law by spending Tarp money in a manner NOT APPROVED by Congress.
All those private bondholders, many of whom put their retirement savings into Chrysler, might now get some of their own money back.
I just hate seeing Obama take retirement savings from senior citizens.
BTW — I didnt bring up the temporary jobs… I responded to the one who did… chalk up another red herring rant for the CONS!!! LOL
I also fail to see the point of the crass rudeness being directed at Film Fan…
I saw no rudeness directed to Film Fan. Where?
BlueJay should be reported.
and then deported.
Obama’s Chrysler ‘Deal’ FAILS To Protect Consumers!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31121449/page/2/
Consumer groups and individuals with product-related lawsuits also are contesting a condition of the Chrysler sale that would release the company from product liability claims related to vehicles it sold before the asset sale to Fiat.
Compensation for such claims would have to be sought from the parts of the company not being sold to Fiat. But those assets have limited value and it’s doubtful that there will be anything available to pay out.
This could F-U the Entire Bond Market! (Not just Chrysler!)
Secured Creditors Get the Shaft When Government Breaks Existing Bankruptcy Laws!
If you own Bonds directly or in a Mutual Fund or in a 401k – You Could Be Getting the Shaft!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31121449/page/2/
Later on, the Indiana funds, represented by the same law firm as the dissident debtholders, filed their own objection and eventually appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court. They claim the sale unfairly favors Chrysler’s unsecured stakeholders such as the union ahead of secured debtholders like themselves.
The funds also are challenging the constitutionality of the Treasury Department’s use of money from the Troubled Asset Relief Program to supply Chrysler’s bankruptcy protection financing. They say the government did so without congressional authority.
Pure Pandering by Obama!
STEALING Money from Secured Bond Holders and Giving the Union 55%!!!
The United Auto Workers union will get a 55 percent stake that will be used to fund its retiree health care obligations, while the U.S. and Canadian governments will receive a combined 10 percent stake.
Meanwhile, the automaker’s secured debtholders would get $2 billion in cash, or about 29 cents on the dollar, for their combined $6.9 billion in debt. Some of the debtholders balked at the deal, saying as secured lenders they deserved more.
Sotomayor Using Old Cripple Routine for Sympathy to Make Senate Interviews Easier
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/08/sotomayor-fractures-ankle-way-senate-meetings/
Sotomayor Fractures Ankle at New York Airport
Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor fractures her ankle in an airport stumble en route to Senate meetings.
The injury changed the tone slightly on an otherwise high-intensity round of meetings that are part job interview for Sotomayor, part preview of a pressure-filled set of confirmation hearings.
JimJohnson
Posted June 8, 2009 at 9:58 pm | Permalink
Sotomayor Using Old Cripple Routine for Sympathy to Make Senate Interviews Easier
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Easy there, hoss…..you’re gonna offend one of the regular posters to this blog with commentary like that.
You’d have been safer saying that she fractured her ankle trying to evade INS Agents or some such nonsense so as not to offend your conservative brother.
http://www.kansas.com/197/story/844350.html?storylink=omni_popular
Jim Jones, you already made bail? WOw that was fast you sicko.
“BlueJay should be reported.”
For admitting I was wrong about dorky Donny?
“JimJohnson” offers –
“Sotomayor Using Old Cripple Routine….”
Keep it up, CONs.
This one is a beaut!
donndublin
Posted June 8, 2009 at 7:03 pm | Permalink
Flimflam- So I see you’re just a hornie old broad that probably has a boyfriend named BOB (battery operated boyfriend).
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JimJohnson is either as blind as a bat — totally without a brain — or just as RUDE as donnie…
DONNIE POSTED A REALLY RUDE POST THERE… SO THERE YA GO JOHNSON — LYING AGAIN!! LOL!! IDIOT!!
Anybody posting something so rude deserves to have his “myspace” outted!! Way to go, Jay!!
Chas,
I guess that qualifies your home address, place of worship, and everything else being outed for all the rude, mean, hateful, and downright nasty things you have said?
Wha’s the problem, boy?
Did da mean ol’ “Chas” say things what made the widdle ex-Marine feew bad?
Ooooh!
Da mean ow’ “Chas” made wittle “Nathanwiel” feel badwy.
Tell me something, boy:
Are you just about the biggest weenie in the whole Marine Corps?
You’re going public over “…downright nasty things?”
It’s enough to make real Marines squirm in their garters.
“Chas,
I guess that qualifies your home address, place of worship, and everything else being outed for all the rude, mean, hateful, and downright nasty things you have said?
I KNOW Nathaniel and if he had anything he would have posted it already.
Or made it up.
Good night.
Oh and Nathaniel?
Don’t mess with my friends.
BlueJay,
Or what?
Nathan I didnt post Donnie’s facebook, or myspace or whatever it was… I havent even clicked on it… Ya know, you are really not too bright… Donnie boy made his OWN web site… all by himself… and he used his Blog name for it…
So, how you can Snark at me for posting donnie’s web page(something I havent even wasted my time to look at) is way beyond my comprehension…
Of course, I dont think with the narrowness of mind that you do, so that probably accounts for it…
Of course, Nathan, you throw out yet another *gasp* red herring, since my previous comment wasnt about donnie’s myspace page… but rather my reaction to his Rude, Crude, and obnoxious comment to FilmFan… So, naturally you try to start a different argument altogether… how typical of your mental functioning…
My reaction to your post??
STUFF IT NATHAN!!
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Chas
Posted June 9, 2009 at 1:44 am | Permalink
Nathan I didnt post Donnie’s facebook, or myspace or whatever it was… I havent even clicked on it… Ya know, you are really not too bright… Donnie boy made his OWN web site… all by himself… and he used his Blog name for it…
So, how you can Snark at me for posting donnie’s web page(something I havent even wasted my time to look at) is way beyond my comprehension…
Of course, I dont think with the narrowness of mind that you do, so that probably accounts for it…
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Solid point, Chas.
Why would donndublin put up a public page containing pictures of himself wearing mascara if he didn’t want people to visit it?
If anything, donndublin should be grateful for the traffic. Looks like no one has left him a message in over a year.
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Bluejay, you are to be commended for attempting to help donndublin feel validated and relevant.
Just clicked on Donny boy’s MySpace page. Gee, a 54yr-old bubble gummer! Even my grandkids have outgrown MySpace.
Solid point, Chas.
Why would donndublin put up a public page containing pictures of himself wearing mascara if he didn’t want people to visit it?
If anything, donndublin should be grateful for the traffic. Looks like no one has left him a message in over a year.
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Bluejay, you are to be commended for attempting to help donndublin feel validated and relevant.
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ROFLMAO…..
Well it’s about time you ignorant libs figured it that out. BFD. I shaking in my boots.
Unlike you guys I’m secure in who I am and what I look like and no, I don’t wear mascara (don’t need to). It must really suck to be in your fifties, gray, fat, bald, and with a face like elephant skin.
BTW the Myspace page was created by my then teenage daughter over two years ago and I havn’t been there in so long I can’t remember the password. I didn’t start blogging here until last November.
Even my grandkids have outgrown MySpace.
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Hell they are probably getting ready to retire, eh Jed!
;)
“donndumblin” plays the victim and blames the kid –
“…the Myspace page was created by my then teenage daughter over two years ago and I havn’t been there in so long I can’t remember….”
You can’t remember back to April?
Well, I guess brain damage does that to people.
Good luck at the Special Olympics.
Hope you win a medal.
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Jed
Posted June 9, 2009 at 3:07 am | Permalink
Just clicked on Donny boy’s MySpace page. Gee, a 54yr-old bubble gummer! Even my grandkids have outgrown MySpace.
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Jed must be one of those Alzheimer patients down at the “old folks home”.
and Monkey resides at the zoo.
BlueJay’s info could be posted very easily.
I’m sure you can find BJ at the welfare office, foodbank, Free medical clinic, Goodwill, and other hand-out places every other day.
http://gis.wichita.gov/outsidegeneral/Map.aspx?X=1639781.84&Y=1674564.2482&CONTROL=no&PIN=no&KEY=no&QSEC=no&PARK=no&SCHOOL=n
Didn’t you say he drove a red pick up?
Donn, check your link.
I see it changes as I go to different locations.
“donndublin” describes his symptons –
“…it changes as I go to different locations.”
Sounds like a fugue state to me.
There are only 2 listings for “Rimel” in the phone book. They are 2315 Rita and 4438 N Cypress.
Probably his parents and/or brother.
In the 2004-2005 Fiest book there is one at 642 S Terrace.
Monkey you should get you partner there to pick that tick off your a$s.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-68-3/comment-page-6/#comment-597087
When you try and out someone, what goes around comes around.
I feel I might introduce my self here. My name is Kate, I’m a newbie here, someone told me that i might find some good information here so… basically that’s why I’m here, and for any good advice i might get also… hope to have good time here