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Ya ever wonder why throwing Billions of Dollars in the War on Cancer has not cured it yet?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/health/research/28cancer.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hpw
Grant System Leads Cancer Researchers to Play It Safe
The cancer institute has spent $105 billion since President Richard M. Nixon declared war on the disease in 1971. The American Cancer Society, the largest private financer of cancer research, has spent about $3.4 billion on research grants since 1946.
Yet the fight against cancer is going slower than most had hoped, with only small changes in the death rate in the almost 40 years since it began.
One major impediment, scientists agree, is the grant system itself. It has become a sort of jobs program, a way to keep research laboratories going year after year with the understanding that the focus will be on small projects unlikely to take significant steps toward curing cancer.
(Huh, imagine that. A Government program being ineffective and wasteful, achieving limited results, and simply becoming a “jobs program”)
You know Bush isn’t well liked when even Scalia sides with the liberals to trash his policies.
Scalia breaks ranks, slams Bush officials on bank regulation
WASHINGTON — In a rebuke of the Bush administration, the Supreme Court ruled Monday that a federal bank regulator erred in quashing efforts by New York state to combat the kind of predatory mortgage lending that triggered the nation’s financial crisis.
The 5-4 ruling by the high court was unusual. Justice Antonin Scalia, arguably the most conservative jurist, wrote the majority’s opinion and was joined by the court’s four liberal judges.
Full story at:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/70985.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/health/research/28cancer.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hpw
Grant System Leads Cancer Researchers to Play It Safe
The institute’s reviewers choose such projects because, with too little money to finance most proposals, they are timid about taking chances on ones that might not succeed. The problem, Dr. Young and others say, is that projects that could make a major difference in cancer prevention and treatment are all too often crowded out because they are too uncertain. In fact, it has become lore among cancer researchers that some game-changing discoveries involved projects deemed too unlikely to succeed and were therefore denied federal grants, forcing researchers to struggle mightily to continue.
“We have a system that works over all pretty well, and is very good at ruling out bad things — we don’t fund bad research,” said Dr. Raynard S. Kington, acting director of the National Institutes of Health, which includes the cancer institute. “But given that, we also recognize that the system probably provides disincentives to funding really transformative research.”
The private American Cancer Society follows a similarly cautious path. Last year, it awarded $124 million in new research grants, with some money coming from large donors but most from events like walkathons and memorial donations.
Dr. Otis W. Brawley, chief medical officer at the cancer society, said the whole cancer research effort remained too cautious.
“The problem in science is that the way you get ahead is by staying within narrow parameters and doing what other people are doing,” Dr. Brawley said. “No one wants to fund wild new ideas.”
He added that the problem of getting money for imaginative but chancy proposals had worsened in recent years. There are more scientists seeking grants — they surged into the field in the 1990s when the National Institutes of Health budget doubled before plunging again.
(Ahhh, too many non-productive people holding their hands out for a Government giveaway. Sound familiar?)
Government Grant System Not Working
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/health/research/28cancer.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hpw
…many researchers, who need grants not just to run their labs but also sometimes to keep their faculty positions, even more cautious in the grant proposals they submit. And grant review committees become more wary about giving scarce money to speculative proposals.
Philanthropies, which helped some researchers try outside-the-box ideas, are now having financial problems. And advances in technology have made research more expensive.
“Scientists don’t like talking about it publicly,” because they worry that their remarks will be viewed as lashing out at the health institutes, which supports them, said Dr. Richard D. Klausner, a former director of the National Cancer Institute.
But, Dr. Klausner added: “There is no conversation that I have ever had about the grant system that doesn’t have an incredible sense of consensus that it is not working. That is a terrible wasted opportunity for the scientists, patients, the nation and the world.”
Republicans are raising questions about why the EPA apparently dismissed an analyst’s report questioning the science behind global warming.
“The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin’s report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined.”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/29/gop-senator-calls-inquiry-supressed-climate-change-report/
This is the biggest DimLib Tax Scam ever attempted to be pulled on he American Taxpayer.
So, jim johnson, how about writing to your elected representatives and demanding they do something about it. You know, like Brownback and Tiahrt, those stalwarts of conservative politics. Or does your interest in politics stop at actually doing something positive about it? I suspect the latter, since I can’t recall reading anything of a positive nature from you at all. You are, however, a master of cut and paste, as long as its intent is negative in nature. Seems to be all you neocons are capable of anymore.
Trying to Change the System
The National Institutes of Health has started “pilot experiments” to see if there is a better way of getting financing for innovative projects, its acting director, Dr. Kington, said.
They include “pioneer awards,” begun in 2004 for “ideas that have the potential for high impact but may be too novel, span too diverse a range of disciplines or be at a stage too early to fare well in the traditional peer review process.” But only 3 percent to 5 percent of the applicants get funded. Now the institutes have decided to set aside up to $25 million for “transformative R01 grants,” described as “proposing exceptionally innovative, high risk, original and/or unconventional research with the potential to create or overturn fundamental paradigms.”
About 700 proposals have come in, but only a small number are expected to be financed, according to Dr. Keith R. Yamamoto, a molecular biologist and executive vice dean of the school of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, and co-chairman of the committee that reviewed the proposals last week.
“From reading the applications so far, there are really some fantastic things,” Dr. Yamamoto said.
There also is new money from the federal economic stimulus package passed by Congress, which gives the National Institutes of Health $200 million for “challenge grants” lasting two years or less.
But the N.I.H. has received about 21,000 applications for 200 challenge grants, and researchers who have applied concede there is not much hope.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/health/research/28cancer.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hpw
(Perhaps a better selection process is needed? And should results be audited? Ya think? Naaaa, just throw more money at the problem. )
By the way, editors, a day to mark on all calendars: Military control of all cities in Iraq turned over to the Iraqis. Nice of you to mention it.
On this date, Jun 30th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 110 °F (1980)
Low: 54 °F (1943)
Good morning JMWalker!
I wonder when I read your posts bi+ching and whining about neocons bi+ching and whining if you even know what the definition of a neoconseravtive is.
Do you?
Or do you merely use ‘neocon’ as a perjoritive term just because the other Statists use it that way?
I am a conservative and I suspect that JimJohnson is too. I’m now a ‘neocon’ but then I know what the term means.
(Oh, by the way, I write my ‘elected officials’ regularly)
JMWalker
Posted June 30, 2009 at 7:07 am | Permalink
By the way, editors, a day to mark on all calendars: Military control of all cities in Iraq turned over to the Iraqis. Nice of you to mention it.
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Seems to be going according to Bush’s plan!
Scalia joined duh libs in a 5 to 4 decision, isn’t that really like 9 to 0?
America’s Clean Energy and Security Act aka the Pinocchio Bill
Waxman-Markey bill will become the Pinocchio bill, with noses growing longer as they have to create more and more lies about man-made climate change.
Firstly, the Waxman-Markey bill will give a ‘Green Light’ to those countries in manufacturing not participating in the Kyoto Treaty dream world project. With even lower prices and lower labor costs, that giant ’sucking’ sound will be the rest of the manufacture base being sucked out of the United States and into China and India.
The Chinese response is to continue on pace to build two power plants per week, thumbing their nose at the ‘Greenies’ and their pipe dreams.
Another Airbus mysteriously drops into the Sea, Hey, I’ve got an idea, lets award them the contract to build our tankers, or at least split the contract with them!
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 7:27 am | Permalink
Good morning JMWalker!
I wonder when I read your posts bi+ching and whining about neocons bi+ching and whining if you even know what the definition of a neoconseravtive is.
Do you?
Or do you merely use ‘neocon’ as a perjoritive term just because the other Statists use it that way?
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Ya, kind of the later. You know, like you ‘conservatives’ use the socialism term because the other anti-Statists use it that way.
By the way, what does that have to do with jj writing his congresspersons? As your boy would say, strawman.
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HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 7:29 am | Permalink
JMWalker
Posted June 30, 2009 at 7:07 am | Permalink
By the way, editors, a day to mark on all calendars: Military control of all cities in Iraq turned over to the Iraqis. Nice of you to mention it.
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Seems to be going according to Bush’s plan!
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. . . and kept alive under Obama :-)
cosmos,
Did you take Physics in college cosmos?
How about Chemistry?
Did you take a meteorology course?
Well, do you?
Reg, here is the extent of cosMo’s education.
http://globalwarmingkids.net/
Regular
Posted June 30, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink
cosmos,
Did you take Physics in college cosmos?
How about Chemistry?
Did you take a meteorology course?
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Apparently, Reg. suffers from OCD
/sarcasm off
Buy any used cars lately Chas?
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Chas
Posted June 30, 2009 at 8:37 am | Permalink
Regular
Posted June 30, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink
cosmos,
Did you take Physics in college cosmos?
How about Chemistry?
Did you take a meteorology course?
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Apparently, Reg. suffers from OCD
/sarcasm off
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Perhaps if cosmos would answer the questions?
Hank, let me give you my take on this blog: The only people who read it are those who post. Who else in their right mind is going to waste time reading the cr*p posted by both sides here?
I use to have a cat who would jump over the next door neighbors fence, antagonize their two dogs, jump back over the fence and watch the dogs go nuts trying to get at her. Consider me the cat, you the dogs, cause I really could care less what you, or anybody here, posts: it’s just fun the jump back over the fence and watch. When you’re retired, you got a bit O time on the hands. Why not have some fun?
Reg:
How many college/university degrees do you have?
From which schools?
What year(s) did you graduate?
What year(s) did you serve in the Air Force?
boxlock20 posted June 30, 2009 at 7:04 am
Republicans are raising questions about why the EPA apparently dismissed an analyst’s report questioning the science behind global warming.
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Because those Republicans are not smart enough to understand the multiple flaws in that draft report
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/06/bubkes/langswitch_lang/no
hehehehe,
Sooner or later, the dogs will get the cat!
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Chas
Posted June 30, 2009 at 8:54 am | Permalink
Reg:
How many college/university degrees do you have?
From which schools?
What year(s) did you graduate?
What year(s) did you serve in the Air Force?
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You see, that’s the difference.
I didn’t ask for any personal information as you did.
I asked what science courses cosmos took in college.
Of course, I wouldn’t expect you to understand the difference or why.
cosMo, Carlin also has a degree in physics just like Mann. Carlin has been with the EPA for over 38 years and his work has been peer reviewed by scientists.
Mann on the other hand refuses to release his formulas about the “hockey stick graph”.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/26/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5117890.shtml
Any why don’t you and RC prove that the points raised by Carlin are false and/or inaccurate, instead of personally attacking his credentials and suppressing his comments.
What are they afraid of? It’s obvious the AGW alarmists are more concerned about politics than science.
Reg: What makes you think your quetions to Cosmos arent personal?? Hmmmm??? Maybe it doesnt seem personal to you, but maybe it is for Cosmos???
• cosmos_originally
Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink
We need donndublin’s weather report. . .
http://www.nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png
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The AGW alarmists continue to rely of faulty data.
The AGW alarmist continue to rely of faulty data.
“Arctic Sea Ice Underestimated Due to Faulty Sensor”
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/02/arctic-sea-ice-sensor-failure.php
More of Boortz’ blunt clarity.
“North Korea launches a missile and it takes Barack Obama and the UN five days to respond. Iran holds fraudulent elections, kills protesters and it takes weeks before Barack Obama can stand up and say that he is “concerned” about the situation.
Then the people of Honduras try to uphold their constitution and laws of the land from being trampled by a Chavez-wanna be … and it takes Barack Obama one day to proclaim that this was not a legal coup.”
You know what they say about Jimmu Carter- He never met a dictator he didnt like.
Is that to be The Boy Kings legacy as well?
donndublin,
Carlin may have another degree, but his expertise is obviously not climate science.
The points raised by RC are valid. Try to refute those points, instead of attacking Mann’s work, which is supported by other research.
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Chas
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:03 am | Permalink
Reg: What makes you think your quetions to Cosmos arent personal?? Hmmmm??? Maybe it doesnt seem personal to you, but maybe it is for Cosmos???
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cosmos is an unknown quantity.
I need to know how much formal training in sciences cosmos has had before I can ask him questions.
From his usual avoidance, cosmos doesn’t seem to understand basic principles of science.
What Barney Franks doesn’t want you to know:
All of a sudden, Congress is paying close attention to Ron Paul.
The feisty congressman from Texas, whose insurgent “Ron Paul Revolution” presidential campaign rankled Republican leaders last year, now has the GOP House leadership on his side — backing a measure that generated paltry support when he first introduced it 26 years ago.
Paul, as of Tuesday, has won 245 co-sponsors to a bill that would require a full-fledged audit of the Federal Reserve by the end of 2010.
Paul attracted just 18 co-sponsors when he authored a similar bill, which died, in 1983. While the impact Fed policies have on inflation is once again a concern, fears about loose monetary policy and excessive federal spending appear even more widespread in 2009.
“In the past, I never got much support, but I think it’s the financial crisis obviously that’s drawing so much attention to it, and people want to know more about the Federal Reserve,” Paul told FOXNews.com.
With the Federal Reserve holding interest rates at rock-bottom levels, pumping trillions into the economy and now poised to have new powers to oversee the financial system under President Obama’s proposed regulatory overhaul, Paul said lawmakers want transparency.
“If they give them a lot more power and there’s no more transparency, that’ll be a disaster,” he said.
The bill would call for the comptroller general in the Government Accountability Office to audit the Fed and report those findings to Congress. The GAO’s ability to conduct such audits now is severely restricted.
A slew of top Republicans are backing the bill, as are many Democrats.
“Ron Paul has the right idea on this,” said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., who supports similar legislation in the Senate. “I’m just hoping we can get a clear audit. … We need to know what they’re up to.”
House Republican Leader John Boehner, who signed on as a co-sponsor this month, wrote in a recent blog post that the “lack of transparency and accountability” regarding federal dollars committed by the Fed and Treasury Department raise “serious concerns” and make an audit critical.
“The Federal Reserve Transparency Act would remove all of these restrictions, and allow GAO to get real answers from the Federal Reserve to protect American taxpayers,” Boehner wrote.
Unfortunately for Paul, the bill appears to be idling in the House Financial Services Committee, which is chaired by Barney Frank, D-Mass. The bill has been sitting there, gathering co-sponsors, since Paul introduced it in late February.
“You’ve kind of got to rely on the Democratic leadership (to move the bill along),” a Boehner aide said. “I haven’t heard a lot of support from Chairman Frank.”
Calls to Frank’s office were not returned.
Paul acknowledged that his bill hasn’t advanced but said Frank has “promised” him he will deal with his bill and is willing to give it a hearing. Paul said it’s easily got the “momentum” to pass the full House.
A representative with the Federal Reserve could not be reached for comment.
Obama, though, voiced confidence in Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke last Tuesday and defended the Fed’s overall ability to regulate effectively as well as his proposal to give the body more power.
“If you look at what we’ve proposed, we are not so much expanding the Fed’s power as we are focusing what the Fed needs to do to prevent the kinds of crises that are happening again,” Obama said. “We want that power to be available so that taxpayers aren’t on the hook.”
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., introduced a bill similar to Paul’s in the Senate in March, which so far has attracted just three co-sponsors — DeMint and Republican Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana and Mike Crapo of Idaho.
But DeMint told FOX News last week that the measure would have a good chance of passing the Senate if supporters can push Paul’s to a vote, which he said would be successful, in the House.
“I think if we can get that much attention on this bill, I don’t believe senators could vote against it, if people knew what they were voting for because everyone is suspicious of the Federal Reserve,” DeMint said.
http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2009/060209.html
Hey cos,
Your hero out of the pokie yet? Why did hansen’s model predict global cooling in the 70’s and global warming in the 80’s?
Regular posted June 30, 2009 at 9:12 am
I need to know how much formal training in sciences cosmos has had before I can ask him questions.
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Regular only respects people who deny climate science.
“It’s like your editorial says…the nay-sayers are going to latch onto this small inaccuracy as a blanketed condemnation of the entire climate change argument and green movement. As usual, they’ll skim over the fact that it was inaccurate for only 6 weeks. Oh well, it’s human nature to want to deny one’s own mortality and responsibility…especially when it’s the Earth’s and our effects on it.”
February 22, 2009 1:42 PM | flag a problem
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/02/arctic-sea-ice-sensor-failure.php
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:18 am | Permalink
Regular only respects people who deny climate science.
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A typical refractory reply from cosmos.
soldevvb,
Please post the news columns that says that Dr. Hansen was jailed.
And thank you for reminding us that his climate program worked properly.
“The feisty congressman from Texas, whose insurgent “Ron Paul Revolution” presidential campaign rankled Republican leaders last year, now has the GOP House leadership on his side — backing a measure that generated paltry support when he first introduced it 26 years ago.
Paul, as of Tuesday, has won 245 co-sponsors to a bill that would require a full-fledged audit of the Federal Reserve by the end of 2010.” [Sol]
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I can think of no reasons why such an audit should not be done… given the support Government has placed in the Fed Reserve System for years…
FWIW, I have written to all of my congressional representatives and encouraged such an audit, ASAP…
If it isnt good news, fix it… If it is good news… Then the anti-Fed ranters might shut up…
Sounds like a win-win situation….
Chas
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:21 am | Permalink
“It’s like your editorial says…the nay-sayers are going to latch onto this small inaccuracy as a blanketed condemnation of the entire climate change argument and green movement.
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That’s why skeptical review and verification is important in science.
Anybody notice that Chrysler is about to re-open plants, and restore 15,000 jobs??
“That’s why skeptical review and verification is important in science.” [Reg]
I dont disagree with that… After all, that’s what science is all about… review, verification, replication… good stuff for science… not bad for other areas of life as well….
Elizabeth Kolbert: James Hansen Arrested
NASA’S James Hansen Arrested During Coal Mining Protest
NASA climate researcher Hansen arrested at coal-mining protest
Hansen arrested
Darryl Hannah & NASA Scientist James Hansen Arrested
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And thank you for reminding us that his climate program worked properly.
So the world was headed for another ice age in the 70’s as hansen’s model predicted?
Or are you saying hansen’s model will give you whatever output you want?
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Chas
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:35 am | Permalink
“That’s why skeptical review and verification is important in science.” [Reg]
I dont disagree with that… After all, that’s what science is all about… review, verification, replication… good stuff for science… not bad for other areas of life as well….
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Then ask cosMo why he said it was “settled” 20 years ago.
soldevvb,
Do you not understand the difference between being arrested, and being jailed?
Let’s do a simple credibilty test.
soldevvb said that Dr. Hansen was jailed.
soldevvb, can you prove that you’re not a liar, by posting a credible link that said Dr. Hansen was jailed?
soldevvb said that Dr. Hansen was jailed.
First prove that the above statement is not a lie on your part?
Speaking of credentials. . .
The ships I was qualified on:
My first boat:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08395.htm
(while waiting for Nuclear Power School)
Second boat:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08619a.htm
(One patrol)
Third boat:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08625.htm
(Four patrols and a refueling overhaul)
Fourth boat:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08680.htm
(New construction, plank owner)
Fifth boat:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08680.htm
(Went to it after instructor duty at A1W)
Sixth boat:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08681.htm
(After a tour of duty at S1W, my retirement boat)
JM Walker,
Do you even know what a strawman argument is?
It is when you argue against something someone didn’t say and attribute it to that someone.
Thus, you are beating down a strawman.
Now, knowing that, how are my fathers comments a strawman argument?
His comments were in response to your using “neocon”
I use the term when someone actually makes a strawman argument. I don’t just throw it around.
My first boat was a Richline……
(it was gas powered)
Credibility test:
SolDevVB
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:17 am | Permalink
…
Why did hansen’s model predict global cooling in the 70’s and global warming in the 80’s?
cosmos_originally
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:28 am | Permalink
…
And thank you for reminding us that his climate program worked properly.
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So hansen’s model accurately predicted cooling in the 70’s (new ice age if I remember correctly) and global warming in the 80’s
Anyone else buying this schit?
Check out the woman Dr. Hansen accompanies on the protest. On a scale of 10, the ‘WOOF’ factor is about a 16!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/23/dr-james-hansen-of-nasa-giss-arrested/
soldevvb posted June 30, 2009 at 9:17 am
Your hero out of the pokie yet?
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soldevvb, when you wrote “pokie” did you mean jail?
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Nathaniel
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:57 am | Permalink
JM Walker,
Do you even know what a strawman argument is?
It is when you argue against something someone didn’t say and attribute it to that someone.
Thus, you are beating down a strawman.
Now, knowing that, how are my fathers comments a strawman argument?
His comments were in response to your using “neocon”
I use the term when someone actually makes a strawman argument. I don’t just throw it around.
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I do. So what? Bark, doggy boy.
soldevvb, when you wrote “pokie” did you mean jail?
Of course pokie means jail. He was arrested. He is your hero. I simply asked if he was in jail. I fail to see where :
soldevvb said that Dr. Hansen was jailed.
Whiff scooter. So about hansen’s models…
JM Walker,
I offer you the same deal I have everyone else. Civil debate. I made the offer a few days ago. I will be civil with you if you will be civil with me.
Do you want civil discussion or not?
Calling me “doggy boy” adds nothing in proving your point or to the discussion.
You claim to know what a strawman argument is, but your use of the term earlier is in direct contradiction to that statement.
soldevvb posted June 30, 2009 at 10:16 am
soldevvb, when you wrote “pokie” did you mean jail?
Of course pokie means jail. He was arrested. He is your hero. I simply asked if he was in jail. I fail to see where :
soldevvb said that Dr. Hansen was jailed.
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So soldevvb “simply asked if he was in jail” with this post?
soldevvb posted June 30, 2009 at 9:17 am
Your hero out of the pokie yet?
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soldevvb, please explain how someone could get “out of the pokie”, if they were not in the pokie.
soldevvb said that Dr. Hansen was in the pokie (aka jail).
Mr. Walker uses quite a few words that are meaningless to him. He’s unable to engage a conservative in meaningful debate. He’s just an instigator like many of the other nitwits on the Blog.
Monkeyhawk, Maggotpunk, scooter . . .
Keep trying Walker, you’ll soon be just as irrelevant as the others of your ilk.
soldevvb posted June 30, 2009 at 10:02 am
So hansen’s model accurately predicted cooling in the 70’s (new ice age if I remember correctly) and global warming in the 80’s
Anyone else buying this schit?
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Only fools like soldevvb. . .
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/09/to_rasool.php
Dear Hank,
Do you have any more arguments to add to your list?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/01/open-thread-116-3/#comment-504835
Dear Hank,
To summarize why you believe that climate scientists worldwide are wrong about ENSO affecting global temperatures:
* You think that I “ain’t smart enough. . .”
* You lie about what I’ve posted.
* You try to use an irrelevant, bogus “authority” line — your Navy “liason” duty.
* Just because you say so. (uh-huh)
* You think that I’ve demonstrated my “incredible ignorance”.
* You think that the climate science and data is done by Al Gore’s “butt-boy”.
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Anything else, Hank?
And now, news from the San Diego Zoo…
PANDA MATING FAILS – VETERINARIAN TAKES OVER
Hank,
My first (and only) boat is a canoe. It’s paddle-powered, crew of one or two, very quiet. It’s never once sunk, and I never really found a need for torpedos, although it might be nice on a few occasions if some of those drunk speedboat drivers thought I had one.
Nathaniel
Posted June 30, 2009 at 10:17 am | Permalink
JM Walker,
I offer you the same deal I have everyone else. Civil debate. I made the offer a few days ago. I will be civil with you if you will be civil with me.
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That’ll be the day……
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Jed
Posted June 30, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink
Hank,
My first (and only) boat is a canoe. It’s paddle-powered, crew of one or two, very quiet. It’s never once sunk, and I never really found a need for torpedos, although it might be nice on a few occasions if some of those drunk speedboat drivers thought I had one.
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Hmmm, I could of sworn you told me about the time you were on a boat with lots of animals, two of each kind.
Ah yes, here it is…
The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age, a leading atmospheric scientist predicts. Dr. S. I. Rasool of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and Columbia University says that…
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The scientist was S.I. Rasool, a colleague of Mr. Hansen’s at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The article goes on to say that Mr. Rasool came to his chilling conclusions by resorting in part to a new computer program developed by Mr. Hansen that studied clouds above Venus.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/144703752.html?dids=144703752:144703752&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&fmac=&date=Jul+9,+1971&author=By+Victor+CohnWashington+Post+Staff+Writer&desc=U.S.+Scientist+Sees+New+Ice+Age+Coming
XXX,
I have offered this deal many times. I have never been the one to break it.
Believe me or not. The deal is with you as well. I will be civil with you if you are with me.
Sol,
I wonder if Hansen wore those plaid, polyester suits and wrap-around sunglasses back his day of designing the ‘global cooling’ climate model?
reggie,
“Hmmm, I could of sworn you told me about the time you were on a boat with lots of animals, two of each kind.”
That wasn’t my boat- I was just hitching a ride.
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:51 am | Permalink
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:52 am | Permalink
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:54 am | Permalink
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink
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YAWN!
soldevvb,
Your sister out of the pokie yet?
(I simply asked in the above sentence if soldevvb’s sister was in jail. /sarcasm OFF)
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 30, 2009 at 10:25 am | Permalink
Anything else, Hank?
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Poor, poor cosmos – someone get him a teddy bear to cuddle and make sure it’s polar…
Your sister out of the pokie yet?
Did you read she was arrested cosmo?
So about hansen’s models cosmo…
soldevvb,
Are you trying to claim that every person who is arrested is also jailed?
And where is your news column(s) stating the Dr. Hansen was jailed?
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/173/3992/138
I never stated he was jailed. This is exemplary of your lack of science skills. You jump to the conclusion of your choice with out concern for the facts. You make assumptions. Thank you for displaying your inability to think logically.
And where is your news column(s) stating the Dr. Hansen was jailed?
And again, you ask someone to prove a negative. cosmo can not understand science.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/144703752.html?dids=144703752:144703752&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&fmac=&date=Jul+9
The scientist was S.I. Rasool, a colleague of Mr. Hansen’s at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The article goes on to say that Mr. Rasool came to his chilling conclusions by resorting in part to a new computer program developed by Mr. Hansen that studied clouds above Venus.
And just who will decide what constitutes “civility,” boy?
Problem is, “Nathaniel,” you have a long history in this forum declaring whom you think is or is not a “true” christian. You and your beloved father, who frequently refers to you as “boy,” (just like his favorite lap dog) throw out terms such as “nitwit” at random.
I guess that’s “civil” discourse in your book.
Your sainted father thinks the size of the First Lady’s butt is civil discourse on political issue.
We who habituate this forum know pretty much how the Price family operates. You can dish it out but sure get whiny when someone responds in kind.
Dear cosmos,
There are a few very basic concepts concerning weather, climate, global temperatures etc., that you don’t seem to be able to discuss in any meaningful way.
ENSO is a good example of your basic ignorance of everything concerned with weather, climate and global warming. You have never mentioned ENSO without demonstrating your ignorance.
ENSO is nothing more than a phenomenon that effects local weather. It is nothing more than oscillations in the ocean’s surface temperature. It does not effect climate. It does not effect global warming or cooling.
MonkeyHawk,
You have proven that you have no interest in a civil discussion.
Yet again, you attempt to make things personal and I have not even said anything to you.
I have extended this offer to you several times now and still you resort to the name calling and making things personal.
Dear Hank,
ENSO events do affect global temperatures.
soldevvb,
Your sister out of the pokie yet?
Your sainted father thinks the size of the First Lady’s butt is civil discourse on political issue.
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Actually, the size of Michelle’s butt (huge) is perfectly civil for discussion on a blog. It represents every thing that is wrong with the way the MSM covers the present administration.
Michelle is a crass, coniving ex attorney (she lost her right to practice law in ‘92, did you know that?). The MSM covers her like she’s the new Jackie Kennedy. They long for another Camelot.
If Michelle was the wife of a republican president we wouldn’t be hearing about her clothes, her ‘cut arms’ or her rediculous garden that amazingly grew two feet over night.
Michelle has a big butt. Soon, when we ifnd that our boy king has clay feet, the MSM will notice.
“Nathaniel” –
I think I asked a question regarding who it might be do determine what constitutes a “civil discussion.”
You?
That’s particularly convenient for you, now isn’t it, boy?
I find it difficult to address just about any scientific discussion with the Prices who contend the universe is 8,000 years old. “Civilly,” that is. In your view.
I frankly at am a loss to come up with a “civil” response to one who declares –
“Taking the bible literally, doesn’t mean and never did that you literally take every word literally.”
I mean… lord, boy. Don’t you even know what the word “literally” means?
MonkeyHawk,
Let me know when you have something of substance to say here besides your attempts to make things personal.
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 30, 2009 at 11:27 am | Permalink
Dear Hank,
ENSO events do affect global temperatures.
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Of course they do, cosmos. So what?
If the ocean transfers heat to the atomosphere, what happens to the average global temperature?
Nothing.
monkey.i see a tragic accidental gun death of a 13 year old………….i guess learned about guns “let loose in the sandbox” as you support that method……..just think if they would have been taught gun safety in school.might not have happened
Your sister out of the pokie yet?
Did you read she was arrested?
Like the criminal activist hansen was?
There is an unbiased science[sic] source for you. A kook criminal activist. Some hero cosmo.
And you never did explain how hansen’s model was correct predicting both cooling in the 70’s and warming in the 80’s.
Guess he sways whichever way the funding is going.
Yeah, some hero cosmo.
I see the ass envy has started early today.
More on the bush Iraq plan’s success:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090630/ts_nm/us_iraq_3
“Nathaniel” has shifted from “civil” to “personal.”
Nice evasion tactic, boy.
Except… both you and “HLP” have declared it doesn’t bother you that I share his term of endearment in this forum.
Or were those lies?
Okay, calling you both on lies you post could (I guess) be considered “personal.”
But personally, you’ve both proven yourselves to be gifted liars.
That might not sound “civil,” but just what is “civil” about noting your lies, your ignorance, and your arrogance?
Yeah, that’s probably “personal.” To you anyway.
One would think a real Marine could cope with that.
Well CapnAmerica?
I think I have shown you that MonkeyHawk is not interested.
I have tried several times now to reason with him, he doesn’t care about any kind of civility here.
I will go ahead and scratch him off the list then.
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Nathaniel
Posted June 30, 2009 at 10:17 am | Permalink
JM Walker,
I offer you the same deal I have everyone else. Civil debate. I made the offer a few days ago. I will be civil with you if you will be civil with me.
Do you want civil discussion or not?
Calling me “doggy boy” adds nothing in proving your point or to the discussion.
You claim to know what a strawman argument is, but your use of the term earlier is in direct contradiction to that statement.
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Hell, boy, I never claimed anything. You claim I don’t know. Read my earlier posts. I am not interested in civil discourse: I’m interested in watching dogs bark.
drip.. drip.. drip
COLUMBIA, S.C. — South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford admitted Tuesday that he saw his Argentine mistress more times than previously disclosed, including what was to be a farewell meeting in New York chaperoned by a spiritual adviser soon after his wife found out about the affair.
HLP posted June 30, 2009 at 11:45 am
If the ocean transfers heat to the atomosphere, what happens to the average global temperature?
Nothing.
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Ex-Navy “liason”(sic) Hank again insists the the worlds top climate scientists are wrong.
Hank, do you have any more arguments to add to your list?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-630-3/comment-page-2/#comment-612688
COLUMBIA, S.C. — South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford
Good thing you don’t live in S.C. right?
MonkeyHawk,
It was not an evasion tactic.
In my very first offer of civility, I clearly explained that I wouldn’t make things personal, call people names, and would focus on the subject matter they posted.
Once again, whether or not I let anything you post bother me doesn’t change the fact of what you are posting being personal or petty name calling.
Not allowing your constant calling me “boy” to bother me doesn’t make me a liar when I tell you that calling me “boy” is calling me names.
You keep claiming that I can’t cope with this or I am crying/whining…etc…etc…
All I am doing is arguing with you over your use of the term boy because YOU keep bringing it up.
YOU are the one who keeps bringing it up, not me.
JM Walker,
“Hell, boy, I never claimed anything.”
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Yes, you did:
“I do. So what? Bark, doggy boy.”
“You claim I don’t know. Read my earlier posts.”
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Actually, I said your usage of the term contradicts your claiming that you know what it is.
“I am not interested in civil discourse: I’m interested in watching dogs bark.”
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Very well.
There you are CapnAmerica, another person here not interested in civil discourse.
That makes MonkeyHawk and JMWalker now who both have no interest in civil discourse.
soldevvb posted June 30, 2009 at 11:54 am
Your sister out of the pokie yet?
Did you read she was arrested?
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“Yes”. We are pretending that it was reported that she was arrested.
But soldevvb insists that I’m only asking “was she in jail”, when I ask him:
Your sister out of the pokie yet?
cosmos is getting boring isn’t he?
…a broken, scratchy record playing over and over.
More revelations on Sanford ‘trying to put the genie back in the bottle’, wasn’t that what caused all his problems in the first place?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_re_us/us_sc_governor_6
Add me to your list Nathaniel.
I have no interest in civility with the slime of humanity.
“Yes”. We are pretending that it was reported that she was arrested.
Cosmo lies. I understand you live in a pretend world cosmo, but the kook koolaid drinker hansen was indeed arrested.
Elizabeth Kolbert: James Hansen Arrested
NASA’S James Hansen Arrested During Coal Mining Protest
NASA climate researcher Hansen arrested at coal-mining protest
Hansen arrested
Darryl Hannah & NASA Scientist James Hansen Arrested
There you have it.
JM Walker, BlueJay, and MonkeyHawk have all shown they are not interested in any civility here on the blog.
Ex-Navy “liason”(sic) Hank again insists the the worlds top climate scientists are wrong.
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Name one.
I’m merely insisting that you are ignorant. You don’t know the difference between weather, climate and global temperatures.
ENSO effects weather, nothing else.
“Nathaniel” –
I didn’t originate calling you “boy,” boy.
Remember who that was, boy?
You have no issue with me until you settle it with “HLP.”
And there’s plenty of evidence you have issues with “HLP,” boy.
Clean up your own backyard.
Then we can decide what is “civil” or “personal.”
But no.
You’d rather whine.
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
Ex-Navy “liason”(sic) Hank again insists the the worlds top climate scientists are wrong.
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Name one.
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Dear Hank,
Name the top climate scientists who do not agree that a record El Nino in 1998 added a warm spike to the global temperatures
soldevvb,
Yes, Hansen was arrested for civil disobedience — but he was not jailed, which you claimed.
According to cosMo, “top climate scientists” are those that have been ordained by the church of the IPCC.
Praise be.
MonkeyHawk,
Once again, you keep the subject going. So how is that my whining?
I have explained this to you several times now.
There are many different examples for why it is ok for someone to call someone a name and not for someone else to.
My father can call me “boy” because I am his boy. It is a nick name between us. His using it doesn’t convey any permission for you to, nevermind the fact that I have told you several times that I do no want you to call me “boy.”
You are not my father. It is not a nick name between us.
Nevermind that your usage of the term is not in the same tone as how my father uses it.
You use it as a deragatory term and my father doesn’t.
How many different ways must this be explained to you?
Yes, Hansen was arrested for civil disobedience
Kook kool aid drinker and now a criminal. Great hero you have cosmo.
— but he was not jailed, which you claimed.
You assume far too much. Goes to further prove your lack of logical reasoning and jumping to your preconceived conclusions regardless of facts.
You sound as kooky as your hero the criminal hansen.
HLP
Posted June 30, 2009 at 12:31 pm | Permalink
Ex-Navy “liason”(sic) Hank again insists the the worlds top climate scientists are wrong.
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Name one.
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Dear Hank,
Name the top climate scientists who do not agree that a record El Nino in 1998 added a warm spike to the global temperatures
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cosmo just can’t answer questions can she? Deny, deflect….
According to cosMo, “top climate scientists” are those that have been ordained by the church of the IPCC.
~20% of which have had some dealing with climate.
The Minnesota Supreme court has ruled.
Say it with me…
SENATOR Al Franken!
BlueJay
Posted June 30, 2009 at 1:11 pm | Permalink
The Minnesota Supreme court has ruled.
Say it with me…
SENATOR Al Franken!
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The grown-ups have left the room…….
I didn’t originate calling you “boy,” boy.
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Again, you intentionally miss the point. Every time you call Nathaniel ‘boy’ it is a double lie. I address him as ‘Boy’ effectionately. I do not call him ‘boy’.
You call him ‘boy’ to demean him. Which makes you a liar every time you self-rightously claim that you only refer to bloggers by their chosen nic.
Uh oh!
Governor Sanford says he will try to fall back in love with his wife and…
admits to “crossing the line” with other women!
Lawyer up Mrs Governor Sanford!
Funny, Government is going to spend TWO YEARS on an environmental impact study to see if solar power will harm the environment, but Government spends a whopping 3 hours debating the American Clean Energy and Security Act.
http://tinyurl.com/nvo5jg
Fed works to speed solar development in Southwest
By KEN RITTER – 21 hours ago
LAS VEGAS (AP) — The federal government’s top land steward said Monday that the United States will fast-track efforts to build solar power generating facilities on public space in six Western states.
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he has signed an order setting aside more than 1,000 square miles of public land for two years of study and environmental reviews to determine where solar power stations should be built.
Free market really goes out the window on need items vs. wants.
I want to rent a movie. I can sit at home and not get off my arse and get a Cox on demand for $5. I can sign up for Netflix and see what is coming next for as little as $9 a month. Or I can go to the RedBox on the corner and see what’s available tonight for $1.
I just had a heart attack. I’m not gonna shop around.
wrong topic. sorry people.
Dear Hank,
Name the top climate scientists who do not agree that a record El Nino in 1998 added a warm spike to the global temperatures
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You continually display your ignorance of global warming, temperature, weather and climate.
The very definition of El Nino is a temporary ‘warm spike’ of localized temperatures.
If the ocean transfers heat to the atmosphere the ocean cools a little. The average temperature of the globe did not change.
Name a top climate scientist that believes that El Nino contributed to global warming.
You can’t.
JMWalker
Posted June 30, 2009 at 7:04 am | Permalink
So, jim johnson, how about writing to your elected representatives and demanding they do something about it. You know, like Brownback and Tiahrt, those stalwarts of conservative politics. Or does your interest in politics stop at actually doing something positive about it? I suspect the latter, since I can’t recall reading anything of a positive nature from you at all. You are, however, a master of cut and paste, as long as its intent is negative in nature. Seems to be all you neocons are capable of anymore.
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1. Yes JM, I do write and call Congressmen often. And I have met with many of them, several times. I’m also active in several political oranizations, which attempt to control the growth and corruption of Government.
2. As for the negative nature of many posts, unfortunately, the news is full of reports of Government incompetence and abuses.
3. Libs such as yourself hate to hear bad news about YOUR Administration, but too bad. Obama has made Government bigger, doing more of the same. Positive Change? Where? When?
4. JM, please point to some of your positive enlightening good news stories. I don’t recall seeing any of them.
Minnesota Decision: Al Franken Won, Supreme Court Says
Sol,
It would be great to have that Audit of the Federal Reserve in 2009, not 2010. But we’ll never see it. Big Brother ain’t gonna let it happen.
Since when does Government own up to the same standards it mandates for corporate audits?
It’s all over except the crying, expect to see some of that here.
With the 60 seat advantage, congress can now get down to business. Steamroller, anyone?
As for cancer research, I happen to know several people in that field.
Most people don’t realize the Willy Nilly nature the Federal Government follows in approving research grants. There’s no organized and coordinated attack plan in the war on cancer. There’s no accountability built in to the Government giveaways. There’s no follow-up audits to ensure funds are used as intended.
The positive side to this story would be for real CHANGE in Government to occur. More money isn’t needed on Research – more accountability is needed as to how the money is spent.
If there was any competence in Government, we could cure Cancer with current funding levels.
Instead, Government funding continues Willy Nilly, researchers spin their wheels, and Government Research Funding simply keeps people on the Government payroll as glorified welfare recipients.
“If there was any competence in Government, we could cure Cancer with current funding levels.”
What a funny thing to say…
Phantom
Posted June 30, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Permalink
With the 60 seat advantage, congress can now get down to business. Steamroller, anyone?
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Oh, then I look forward to immediate positive action soon, to include:
-Unemployment back in the 5% range.
-Inflation at 4% or less.
-Interest rates remain low.
-The Budget is balanced.
-America is energy independent.
-US Troops are immediately withdrawn from Iraq.
-US Troops in Afghanistan get the job done and come home.
-Iran and North Korea are contained without being bought and paid-for by US taxpayers.
-Profitable Manufacturing comes back to America.
-Free National ObamaCare is implemented.
-Global Warming is solved.
-Social Security & Medicare are fixed.
-There is Peace on Earth and all nuclear weapons are destroyed.
Al Franken is a big fat Senator. Haw, haw, haw.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124638548350674627.html
Doesn’t that, and Spector’s defection, give the Democrats 60?
Here’s some POSITIVE news. Now men, go share this story with your wife. Women, do the right thing now, and make sure your man stays healthy.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529525,00.html?test=latestnews
Men Told Have Sex Daily to Boost Sperm Quality, Fertility
Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Daily sex can improve the genetic quality of a man’s sperm and could enhance his chances of fathering a child, new research has suggested.
More Good(?) News the Obama Stimulous Plan is Failing Less Then Before
Unemployment rising at a slower rate.
Market Watch
The unemployment rate is expected to rise to 9.6%, not such a big jump compared to prior months.
Good(?) News on Jobs Expected. Jobs Lost is Getting Less Worse
Market Watch
The key report next week will be the June reading on the health of the labor market, which has seen a steep downturn over the past 18 months amid expectations that unemployment will soon be over 10%.
“Since January last year, over 6 million jobs have been lost, and there is no indication that the layoffs will end any time soon,” noted Millan Mulraine, economics strategist at TD Securities, in a note to clients.
The best that can be hoped for is that the pace of job losses continues to ease. After peaking at 741,000 in January, job losses moderated to 345,000 in May.
The unemployment rate is expected to rise to 9.6%, not such a big jump compared to prior months.
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Of course, with a republican administration this ‘good news’ would immediately be followed by “. . . these umemployment numbers do not include the many people that have given up on finding a job.”
“HLP” says he isn’t bothered that –
“Every time you call Nathaniel ‘boy’ it is a double lie. I address him as ‘Boy’ effectionately. I do not call him ‘boy’.”
So it’s a matter of punctuation?
I’ll adjust my ways.
I’m just as “effectionate” about the
boy“Boy” as you are.And that’s sorta the point, “HLP.”
You’re just as (to use the
boy’s“Boy’s” term) “deragatory,” as I ever might have been.Which makes you a liar every time you’ve self-rightously claimed you’re not bothered by it.
Look to my record of posts in this forum. If I address a fellow blogger directly it’s always using their chosen nym.
Now, you might do a bone-dig and find I’ve thrown out a “You go, girl” or two to “ksfarmgrrl” or “lindainks55″ along the way. But never without referring to them by their posted nyms.
Same as me with the
boy“Boy.” Funny how neither they nor you get panties in a wad over such “deragatory” name-calling.But since I haven’t capitalized “Boy,” I’m the evil one?
Interesting set of values over at the Price’s.
Nice to be reminded how it doesn’t bother you.
“Nice to be reminded how it doesn’t bother you.”
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I don’t think I’ve ever claimed it doesn’t bother me, (it doesn’t) I have consistently made the point that it proves your a liar.
nitwit
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JimJohnson
Posted June 30, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
4. JM, please point to some of your positive enlightening good news stories. I don’t recall seeing any of them.
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I am POSITIVE you’re an ahole :-)
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Nathaniel
Posted June 30, 2009 at 12:30 pm | Permalink
There you have it.
JM Walker, BlueJay, and MonkeyHawk have all shown they are not interested in any civility here on the blog.
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I can’t speak for the others, but I can say for the first time, you have my interests correct. Why practice civility on a blog only a handful (pun intended) read?
heh HEH
McCain team attacks Sarah Palin. Calls her “whack job” and other niceties!
Global Warming an Official Pseudoscience.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_globalwarmingpseudo.htm
The only way Nathaniel can be civil on a blog is by prior agreement? Why would anyone want discourse with a person who is unable to simply behave in a civil manner because that’s how he says he wants to behave?
“Dave Weigel at the Washington Independent catches a bizarre resolution introduced by Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern in Oklahoma, whose state legislature he describes as a “petri dish for wingnuttery.”
The proposed “Oklahoma Citizen’s Proclamation for Morality” would blame the economic crisis on moral collapse.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/30/oklahoma-republicans-read_n_223074.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/06/29/2009-06-29_sarah_palin_trashed_by_mccain_staff_members.html
lindainks55
Posted June 30, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
The only way Nathaniel can be civil on a blog is by prior agreement? Why would anyone want discourse with a person who is unable to simply behave in a civil manner because that’s how he says he wants to behave?
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Makes you wonder why Obama wants talks with Ahmadinejad.
“HLP” declares –
“I don’t think I’ve ever claimed it doesn’t bother me, (it doesn’t)….”
Thanks for clearing that up.
I haven’t seen where President Obama has stated that if Ahmadinejad can conduct himself in a civil manner, President Obama will in return be civil towards him in return. I have seen President Obama conduct himself with civility whether those he interacts with are or aren’t civil.
Take out some of those extra words and it reads more easily, although the unneeded words don’t change the meaning I intended.
The only difference I see Linda with Bush vs. Obama in dealing with Ahmadinejad, is that he (Ahmadinejad) is the one wearing the pants in the relationship now.
The only difference I see Linda with Bush vs. Obama in dealing with Ahmadinejad, is that he (Ahmadinejad) is the one wearing the pants in the relationship now.
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And the ‘Members Only’ jacket.
And the ‘Members Only’ jacket.
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Word is the rubix cube is the hottest selling novelty in Iran. Just released there last week.
MH –
I know that I’m not a party to this little kerfluffle. But – Nathan and HLP have been consistent in asking you to stop using the demeaning term. I understand exactly what they’re saying.
So do you.
You use the term as a demeaning term, specifically because it is demeaning as you use it, and because it is a sore point to Nathan and HLP.
In other words, you’re being an a**. I’d like to say that’s unusual, but it’s not.
Nathan and HLP have been nicer about it than I would have been. And they’ve persisted in writing to you about it; I’d have written you off long ago.
I know that the ultimate goal for some here – you included – is to drive dissenting voices off the blog, and you figure that being as big an a** as possible helps. Well, you’ve succeeded in showing what an a**hole you are.
Congratulations.
You haven’t – and won’t – succeed in driving off dissenting voices.
Nathan & HLP: MH is what he is. Let it go. You’re not entirely clean in this either, and remember, you’re wrestling with a pig. You’re gonna get dirty. Step out of the pigsty.
And that’s my last word on the subject.
Thanks, GMC70.
MH’s obsession with Nathaniel and me is getting a little wierd. Must be lonely being the only pervert in Iola.
“Since when does Government own up to the same standards it mandates for corporate audits?” [Johnson]
Well, well… Since the Federal Reserve is NOT Government, but rather its own Corporate structure… Then let the audit begin… SOON.
Same as I said earlier today…
“You use the term as a demeaning term, specifically because it is demeaning as you use it, and because it is a sore point to Nathan and HLP.” [GMC]
Doesnt that also go for those here who insist on calling me a fake preacher, GMC?? Or doesnt that count??
“The only difference I see Linda with Bush vs. Obama in dealing with Ahmadinejad, is that he (Ahmadinejad) is the one wearing the pants in the relationship now. Mr_Kia
“And the ‘Members Only’ jacket.” Anti
President Obama conducts himself with civility, because he has no need to lower himself just because someone else chooses not to be civil.
I find that to be a more adult approach than telling those you may interact with that you will be civil only if they are.
It does, Chas. I don’t think I’ve done that, though I know others have, and I won’t defend it.
No, Chas, the reality with you is that I simply can’t believe anything you write. So STFU. And no, it doesn’t mean what you think – provide your own acronym; you will anyway.
Ok, so I guess you dont think there should be an audit of the Fed. Reserve, then, since I have advocated for that twice so far today… eh>???
“GMC70″ ignores the duties of his taxpayer-funded job to offer –
“I know that I’m not a party to this little kerfluffle. “
Yeah.
Good so far.
Get back to work, boy.
(I suspect I’m older than you, so I have a right to address you that way. Got a problem with that?)
“But…” –
Aha!
The all-important “But” that somehow justifies you getting involved in this “kerfuffle.”
I mean, what could possibly be more important to the Butler County Attorney’s agenda than “GMC70″ nosing in on a “kerfuffle” in which he’s not a party to?
Except, maybe, that First Degree Murder/Rape/Kidnapping case.
“Nathan and HLP have been consistent in asking you to stop using the demeaning term.”
I’ve learned my lesson, thanks to today’s exchange. “HLP” was apparently upset I didn’t capitalize “Boy.” I’ve since modified that usage. The Prices won that battle.
End of “kerfuffle.”
“I understand exactly what they’re saying.”
Well there you’ve got an advantage on me, “GMC70.”
I frequently have a tough time translating the Prices’ posts in something I can understand. Since you’re not working and hold such special insight, perhaps you can explain this:
“Taking the bible literally, doesn’t mean and never did that you literally take every word literally.”
‘Cause I never quite figured out that tidbit of the Price family’s contributions to this forum.
And despite the many times they’ve maintained my “effectionate” used of “HLP’s” nickname for The Boy, it turns out this afternoon his biggest problem was I didn’t capitalize it.
And all this time both of ‘em telling me it didn’t bother them at all.
So when you barge into this kerfuffle (in which you admit you’re not a party to) and reveal:
“…it is a sore point to Nathan and HLP,” I look to you for more insight into what the hell these two are really thinking.
Unless, of course, there’s something more important for you to do in the Butler County Attorney’s office.
Well, I see by the clock that it’s time to get bck to my desk, and lay out paperwork for Sunday morning in Oklahoma… Also, my robes and stoles need to go to the cleaners.. And my daughter tells me we are out of charcoal for the 4th of July BBQ…
Such are the days of Summer!! You all have a good one today, and a good holiday week yet ahead… Be nice, now… and have a GREAT independence day celebration!!
blessings on this great nation!!
lindainks55
Posted June 30, 2009 at 3:20 pm | Permalink
“The only difference I see Linda with Bush vs. Obama in dealing with Ahmadinejad, is that he (Ahmadinejad) is the one wearing the pants in the relationship now. Mr_Kia
“And the ‘Members Only’ jacket.” Anti
President Obama conducts himself with civility, because he has no need to lower himself just because someone else chooses not to be civil.
I find that to be a more adult approach than telling those you may interact with that you will be civil only if they are.
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I don’t want to attack you or your world view. But I disagree with simply taking a stand as being less than civil.
I said, MH, it would be my last word on the subject, and it will be. But there is this little bit, addressed to me:
Get back to work, boy.
(I suspect I’m older than you, so I have a right to address you that way. Got a problem with that?)
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You most certainly do NOT have the “right” to address me that way, older or not. Further, what you have demonstrated is that despite your disingenuous protestations, in fact you understand EXACTLY what Nathan and HLP are saying.
We both already knew that, of course.
As to what I’m doing at what times, that’s none of your business. I know you think it furthers that “shut up the annoying conservatives” agenda, but you’ll have to do better.
One difference between me and and Nathan, however, is I will not get into a running pi**ing match with you. I have no need to wrestle with pigs. I’ve said my piece, I’ll stand by it, and move on. When you correspond as an adult, we can exchange ideas and converse. When you don’t, as now, well, you’re on you own. I’m moving on to matters of more substance. And as always, I’ll write what I believe, when I like, and post as I see fit.
“I don’t want to attack you or your world view. But I disagree with simply taking a stand as being less than civil.”
I’m sure if you go back and read every word I’ve posted, I was addressing Nathaniel challenging other posters that he would be civil if they were. Interjecting President Obama came from someone else, I don’t know or care who and don’t intend to scroll back to learn. It’s an opinion blog, we all have opinions — today I’ve posted my opinion of being civil and haven’t addressed any other topic.
GMC70,
Monkeyhawk is just butt-hurt.
Why take him seriously or let him get to you?
I don’t.
The thought crimes bill now before the U.S. Senate is another unconstitutional left-wing federal power grab, and is furthermore entirely unnecessary. The bill violates equal protection by making some victims more important than others, elevates “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” and many vile perversions, including pedophilia, to be equivalent to civil rights categories like race, and greatly expands the federal role in criminal law. Exceptions to allow speech and preaching against sodomy may be quickly voided by leftist, activist, pro-sodomy judges who would like nothing better than to order conservative pro-marriage churches shut down, or at least their leaders jailed. There is no compelling evidence that crimes committed against sodomites and other perverts are not being handled and prosecuted adequately under already existing federal and state laws. There is evidence, however, that some bias-motivated crimes, which leftists refuse to address in this bill, are not adequately prosecuted as a deterrent. For example, the leading cause of death of pregnant women is homicide, often because of a mother’s refusal to commit an abortion. Such murders and violent assaults on mothers and their unborn children are clearly motivated by hatred of women and babies.
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When adult stem cells are used in medical cures, as is happening in medical breakthroughs every year now, the approach is patient-specific, and no drug company gets rich because of the successful treatments.
That’s why taxpayer funding of useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research, never likely to cure anything, is being hyped over successful, ethical adult stem cell research – out of pure greed. The manufacture of human life for destructive testing could become very profitable for drug companies – with your tax money funneled in.
And leftist Democrats and RINOs are itching for their cut of it.
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In recent PBS special “The Music Instinct: Science & Song” the effect of music on unborn children was monitored with a camera. One baby smiled in response to a lullaby, an undeniably human behavior. Others have been observed moving their hands in response to music, almost as if conducting. They have been soothed by Vivaldi and disturbed by loud tracks from Beethoven. They have even responded rhythmically to rhythms tapped on their mother’s belly.
If our children are not living human beings before their birth, then what are they?
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Baby-hating Connecticut Gov. Jodi Rell signed into law last week a ban on ultrasound viewing of an unborn child without a medical reason or authorization from a physician. The only negative effects on mothers or their babies, as seen by the abortion lobby, has been that most of the mothers decline to contract the mangling, dismembering, poisoning, or beheading of their children after viewing a good 3D ultrasound.
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“A partially born child is among the weakest, most helpless beings in our midst and on that account exerts a special claim on our protection. The fact is that we — civilized people — are retreating to the haven of our Constitution to justify dismembering a partly born child and crushing its skull. Surely centuries hence, people will look back on this gruesome practice done in the name of fundamental law by a society of high achievement. And they will shudder.”
. . . Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson, in his ruling upholding Virginia’s partial-birth abortion ban, and reversing last year’s appellate court ruling which struck down the ban
[We may be sure that baby-hating Obamanation, greedy for his party’s cut of abortion mill profits, will never appoint Judge Wilkinson to any position.]
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Junkie Xiomara Gamez, 25, of Long Island, NY was arraigned on charges of reckless endangerment, child abandonment and child endangerment at First District Court in Hempstead, for abandoning her newborn crack baby in a shoebox in the lobby of an apartment building Sunday.
Remember that black fella who ran for president and said that earmarks were just “wrong”? (snickering)
“Two Democrats got into a verbal altercation — and according to one a physical one — on the floor of the House on Thursday night over an appropriations earmark one was seeking.
After the House floor had largely cleared following a series of votes, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) split apart from a heated conversation and began yelling at one another.
“You’re out of line,” Waters shot while walking down toward the well.
“You’re out of line,” Obey shot back before turning and walking away.
But then Obey stopped, turned back toward Waters, and shouted: “I’m not going to approve that earmark!”
Obey turned away, but Waters went to go huddle with members of the Congressional Black Caucus. She could be over heard telling them: “He touched me first.”
Waters was escorted by her colleagues into the cloakroom.
Waters and Obey have had an ongoing dispute about an earmark for a public school employment training center in Los Angeles that was named after Waters when she was a state representative.
Obey rejected that earmark as violating policies against so-called “monuments to me.” Waters revised her request [read:lied] to go to the school district’s whole adult employment training program, so the district could decide whether the money would go to the school named after Waters.
Thursday was the committee markup of the spending bill that would include the earmark, and Obey let it be known that the earmark would be denied. She approached him and complained.”
(Isn’t there a nice christian song called, “He touched Me”?)
monkey.i read the sad news that a 16 year old was killed in a gun accident…………learned about guns via the “sandbox” which is what you support………..just think if we taught gun safety in school he might still be alive…………..but you don’t care because?
Monkeyhawk,
I think “dear” is the preferred endearment of the Price bloggers.
monkey…..whats the matter……..can’t get a hold of ag?
Of McCain aides evaluating the Palin choice.. “There is ultimately no way to read McCain’s selection of Palin as reflecting anything other than an appalling egotism, heedlessness, and lack of judgment in a man whose courage, tenacity, and character they have extravagantly admired—and as reflecting, too, an unsettling willingness on their own part to aid and abet him. They all know that if their candidate—a 72-year-old cancer survivor—had won the presidency, the vice-presidency would be in the hands of a woman who lacked the knowledge, the preparation, the aptitude, and the temperament for the job.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908
Dear Linda,
You are correct. Dear is an accepted part of any salutation in civil correspondence. Now if I addressed you as ’sweetie’ or ‘darling’ then you might have a reason to get your panties in a wad. (f you were going around with a chip on your shoulder all day)
Maybe you should work on your self-esteem a little so you wouldn’t let some old man on a blog get to you.
Poor Parkay! Now that his boy shot Dr. Tiller, he’s got to find some new cause for people to give money for, or lose his easy mealticket! Sorry Troy, but that was poor planning.
“some old man on a blog get to you”
I’m not so sure Linda could call you old Hank. I think maybe Linda is wearing granny panties and not thongs herself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RAMSeHBiw
I’m not so sure Linda could call you old Hank. I think maybe Linda is wearing granny panties and not thongs herself.
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I’ve met Linda and she’s a delightful lady in person. Well spoken, nice dresser and very polite. She has all the qualities of a good republican lady.
She probably is younger than me, she looks younger. All in all a darling lady.
It’s too bad all her opinions are wrong.
That Sanford just can’t shut up, now he’s pulling a Jimmah and confessing lusting in his heart, or as he put it coming close to crossing the sexual line with a couple other females. But he’s making the extreme sacrifice in not pursuing his once in a life time soul mate!
Good Man, Haaaaaaaaah.
Alan Stanford ordered held without bail, what’s with the justice dept. since bush left? Where’s the conservative compassion?
How’s Obama’s Withdrawal of US Forces from Iraqi Cities Working Out?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529564,00.html?test=latestnews
The military said the four U.S. soldiers who were killed Monday served with the Multi-National Division-Baghdad but did not provide further details pending notification of their families. It said they died as a “result of combat related injuries.”
Again You Have To Wonder: Who’s Side is Obama On? Obama is AGAINST Tariffs on Other Countries Who Choose Not To Help SOLVE GLOBAL WARMING!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/30/obama-warns-dems-tariff-provision-climate/
Obama Warns Dems on ‘Protectionist’ Tax in Climate Change Bill
President Obama warns lawmakers to think twice about a provision in the cap-and-trade bill that would allow the U.S. to impose tariffs on other countries, raising questions about whether the package can pass Congress without it.
After a “Buy American” provision in the stimulus bill triggered a tit-for-tat with Canada, President Obama is warning fellow Democrats to think twice about another “protectionist” measure in the House-passed climate change bill.
The climate bill that passed the House last week on a 219-212 vote includes a provision to impose tariffs — starting in 2020 — on imports from countries that don’t have a system for limiting global warming pollution.
The provision was pushed as a way to keep the U.S. competitive with other countries that haven’t imposed rules to reduce carbon emissions and promote clean energy.
Obama told energy reporters that, while he is “very mindful” of wanting to ensure a “level playing field internationally,” Congress should consider alternatives to tariffs.
“At a time when the economy worldwide is still deep in recession and we’ve seen a significant drop in global trade, I think we have to be very careful about sending any protectionist signals out there,” Obama said, according to a transcript of the Sunday session with reporters. “I think we’re going to have to do a careful analysis to determine whether the prospects of tariffs are necessary.”
“Who’s Side is Obama On?”
Worst President. Ever.
Now We Are Really F’d In Iraq!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/30/white-house-biden-tapped-oversee-political-reconciliation-iraq/
Biden Tapped to Oversee Political Reconciliation in Iraq
As a senator, Joe Biden had pushed a plan to partition Iraq. Now the White House wants him to lead efforts toward political reconciliation in the war-torn country.
Why is Obama Supporting a Leftist President in Honduras Who Wanted to Change His Constitution to Allow Him To Eliminate Term Limits on the President?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/30/obamas-support-ousted-honduran-leader-accused-breaking-law-stirs-concerns/?test=latestnews?test=latestnews
Support for Ousted Honduran President Raises Questions About ‘Democratic’ Leadership
Honduran President Manuel Zelaya, who is backed by U.S. nemesis Hugo Chavez,was overthrown in a military coup Sunday after the Honduran Congress and Supreme Court said he maneuvered illegally to amend the constitution — apparently in hopes of extending his rule.
But while Zelaya wins widespread support, including from President Obama as well as Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, critics in the United States are asking why the U.S. leader doesn’t take a stand against clearly illegal actions by Honduras’ ousted chief executive.
“Manuel Zelaya trampled the Honduran constitution by pushing for his illegal referendum to allow him to rule indefinitely, and by firing the top military official, Gen. Romeo Vasquez Velasquez, when he refused to comply with Zelaya’s unconstitutional orders,” said Rep. Connie Mack, R-Fla.
Zelaya, the ousted leftist leader, ignored a ruling from the Honduran Supreme Court, warnings from the military and opposition by a sizable swath of his country’s population when he maneuvered to amend his country’s constitution, apparently in hopes of extending his own rule
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Jim Johnson is so dumb he doesn’t know the pullout was signed by Bush during his failed administration.
Tooooooo stttooooopid!
Palin/Sanford (Republican Family Value ticket) in 2012!
“…critics in the United States are asking why the U.S. leader doesn’t take a stand against clearly illegal actions by Honduras’ ousted chief executive.”
Perhaps… BUT… On the other hand, how does it look for the POTUS to back the military take-over of another nation’s leadership??
“…critics in the United States are asking why the U.S. leader doesn’t take a stand against clearly illegal actions by Honduras’ ousted chief executive.”
Perhaps… BUT… On the other hand, how does it look for the POTUS to back the military take-over of another nation’s leadership??
BTW I love your blog!
Palin/Stanford, two for infidelity, how’d that ticket work out I wonder. They wouldn’t get much campaigning done!