Open thread 6/27

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  1. writerdog
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    An update to the death of Michael Jackson! In spite of the 24/7 coverage, he is still dead!
    We will continue to cover this breaking story.

    I swear they have to be on the seventh level with interviews.
    The one where the guest had heard one Jackson song in their life and talks about how it touched them.

    “When I was robbing the store, they were playing “Man in the mirror” I will always remember how it effected me!”.

  2. Regular
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    On this date, Jun 27th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas

    High: 109 °F (1980)
    Low: 46 °F (1968)

  3. Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Green Jobs for a Green Future: Weatherization
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMERwl7FuyQ&feature=PlayList&p=E5DEFE647E096E80&index=1

    Van Jones from the White House Council of Environmental Quality visits a local weatherization work site that gives us a glimpse of the clean energy economy that’s on the way. Weatherization is and will be one of many sources of job creation in the United States.

  4. Raptor
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    writer…that is closely akin to a quote I heard on the local news last night…some man was saying how micheal jackson “helped all the people in the world”. sheeesh.

    Sooo, any bets on how soon we start hearing about mj sightings (to rival Elvis sightings?)

  5. Regular
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    O’Bama: I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.

    Except for:

    Energy Taxes
    Health Insurances Taxes
    capital gains tax hike
    Death taxes
    Soda Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    (list grows and grows)

  6. ANTI
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    DavidB,

    Ask Spain about how well ‘Green Jobs’ have helped them…..not so much help, but a lot of hurt.

    Get ready for that here.

  7. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    We need donndublin’s weather report. . .

    http://www.nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

  8. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Like it or not, Michael Jackson sent many, many millions of dollars to scores of charities and helped people all over the world…

    You can look it up for yourself…

  9. ANTI
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    DavidB
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Like it or not, Michael Jackson sent many, many millions of dollars to scores of charities and helped people all over the world…
    ======================================

    I agree, as goofy and weird as he was, he did do a tremendous amount of good for charities.

    That is undeniable.

  10. Regular
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    I wonder if there are 400 million people in there world that will send one dollar each to pay off Michael Jackson’s debt?

  11. ANTI
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    I wonder if there are 400 million people in there world that will send one dollar each to pay off Michael Jackson’s debt?
    —————————–

    If they don’t, maybe Joe can persuade them.

    (I always thought Joe was and A-hole)

  12. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    I love how much CONs who participate in this forum reveal their utter ignorance of finances.

    Michael Jackson might be dead but Michael Jackson Incorporated (whatever it’s called) lives on.

    Just as Elvis Presley’s made far more money in death than he did in life, Jackson’s heirs will do okay.

    Most of his albums are at the top of amazon.com this week. iTunes is cashing in and probably has hit squads out targeting Madonna and the two remaining Beatles.

    Michael Jackson keeps earning royalties and rights fees. And, as was noted on NPR this morning, his financial health improved immensely once he stopped spending money Thursday afternoon.

    He lived like a billionaire but was merely a multi-millionaire. But now the income will continue and the out-go has stopped.

    Mike’s doing better than ever. Except, y’know, for that being dead thing.

  13. DFB
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    DavidB/MH – MJ also sent many millions & $’s & performed at many fundraisers for Dems. Oh well, you’ve still got Babs & Bono.
    “He lived like a billionaire but was merely a multi-millionaire. But now the income will continue and the out-go has stopped.” No doubt the royalties will continue coming in…but multi-millionaires don’t have forced auctions to pay creditors, so those incoming royalties will have to satisfy the $400-$500M debts (that would be equivalent to continued “out-go”) he had in life before his family gets to live off his fame in the future. Without a doubt, someday his family will reap similar benefits as Elvis’ family..but Elvis didnt have the same kind of screwed up family either. Whatever fortunes await them, I’m betting on the lawyers collecting most of it as they fight each other for their piece.

  14. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    for your consideration, from Associated Press:
    By some estimates, Jackson’s estate could be worth more than $1 billion. Besides the master recordings of his own music, Jackson owned half of Sony/ATV Music Publishing, a jewel estimated to be worth $2 billion by itself. The 750,000-song catalog includes music by the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond, Lady Gaga and the Jonas Brothers.

    Elvis Presley’s estate was valued at just $4.9 million at the time of his death. In 2005, a company run by media entrepreneur Robert F.X. Sillerman paid $100 million for 85 percent of the estate and a 90-year lease on his Memphis mansion, Graceland.

  15. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    “DFB” goes into full-condemnation mode with –

    “Elvis didnt have the same kind of screwed up family….”

    When a billion dollars is involved, I suspect just about every family would be screwed up.

    Yeah, there’ll be some tabloid-worthy lawsuits. Hell, for the right price, “Nathaniel” would probably claim MJ sucked his dick in 1987.

    I’m not addressing the pros and cons of anyone who loves or despises Michael Jackson.

    My post responded to the batch of CONs in this forum who have utterly no idea what they’re talking about.

    For starters:

    I’ll bet it unlikely any of the people who sold out the once-pending 50 Shows in London “tour” will get their money back, thanks to an “act of God” clause in the fine print.

    Is it sihtty?

    Yeah.

    But that’s just one example of how finances work on that level. For Michael Jackson Incorporated (or whatever it’s called), it’s free money.

    Will Joe sue for more than he’s due? Yeah, probably. But just because he wants the money so LaToya doesn’t get it isn’t a matter of law. Or finances. It’s just a territorial game.

    I mean, LaToya will sue to get it back once Joe kicks is. Zero sum game.

    But a lot of people just like to play.

    Anyway…

    The pros and the cons of arcane issues isn’t the issue.

    The issue was, and remains, how CONs in this thread have simply no clue about what they’re talking about.

  16. ANTI
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    A summation of Monkeyhawk’s Post;

    Blah, blah, freaking blah.

    No substance, just length.

  17. beber
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Another Baptist Puke found naked, drunk and fooling around.

    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2009/06/26/naked_mayor_arrested.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

  18. Nathaniel
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    MonkeyHawk,

    In case you missed you it. I offered you, as well as all the other liberals, the deal for civility.

    I have said nothing to you today and yet you choose to make a personal insult towards me.

    It adds nothing to the discussion.

  19. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    How Refreshing: A Pastor Who Trusts His Congregation

    (Some pastors are afraid of their congregation.)

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529276,00.html?test=latestnews

    Pastor Welcomes Gun Owners to Bring Their Handguns to Church
    Saturday, June 27, 2009

    LOUISVILLE, Ky. — A Louisville pastor is welcoming gun owners into his church’s sanctuary Saturday for what he says is a show of support for the right to bear arms.

    Ken Pagano is asking visitors to bring their unloaded handguns in a holster at a late afternoon event at New Bethel Church in southwest Louisville.

    Pagano says he got the idea after some members at the Pentecostal church expressed concern over the Obama administration’s views on gun control. He says the gathering is meant to promote safe gun ownership.

    The “Open Carry Celebration” will include a handgun raffle.

  20. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Truck Slams Into Line of Cars on Oklahoma Highway, Killing 9

    Saturday, June 27, 2009

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529221,00.html?test=latestnews

    When will we get most of these trucks off the roads and onto trains?

    Doesn’t Obama care about saving lives, the environment, and making America energy independent?

  21. DFB
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    MH opines: “DFB” goes into full-condemnation mode with –

    “Elvis didnt have the same kind of screwed up family….”
    _________
    No condemnation at all, but I couldn’t expect anything less than a strawman from you. I was simply pointing out facts. Great artist, incredibly talented, supported his not so talented family (although Janet’s got some talent & besides, she’s hot), supported his friends, etc. Fact is, as of his passing, he was going to have his possessions auctioned off & liens would be placed on all royalties until the remaining hundreds of millions are paid off. He’s got 3 kids (with a sketchy mother of 2 of them), who I’m assuming get some type of dibs on future monies..Elvis had 1 child and didn’t have the however many brothers/sisters/parents waiting in the wings to sell off Graceland. Regardless, sad example of massive talents going to waste, with the fruits of his talents ending up largely in lawyers hands (past lawsuits & most likely future suits).

  22. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Obama NOT Closing Gitmo Afterall!!!

    The Liar!!!!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/27/critics-bemoan-prospect-obama-detaining-terror-suspects-indefinitely/

    The political battle over the fate of the detainees at Gunatanamo Bay just got more contentious.

    The Obama administration is considering an executive order to indefinitely imprison a small number of Guantanamo Bay detainees, a move that would be in line with Bush administration policy but already has drawn scorn from civil liberties groups.

    “This is not change — this is more of the same,” Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said in response to reports that surfaced Friday of the possible executive order. “If President Obama issues an executive order authorizing indefinite detention, he’ll be repeating the same mistakes of George Bush, and his policies will be destined to fail as were his predecessor’s.”

  23. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    “DFB” –

    This is not the forum in which to discuss the minutia of the Michael Jackson estate.

    My point in this thread was bemusement how CONs who contribute to WE Blog have no idea how money works. Especially in the entertainment business.

  24. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    The Lil SOB is easily amused.

  25. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    He’s Everywhere! He’s Everywhere! JESSIE JACKSON!

    Here he comes to save the daaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

    JJ Rushes to LA to save MJ

    (gasp!)

    Rushing to another chance at a PHOTO OP, Jessie Jackson zoooooms to LA to attempt the ressurection of MJ.

    Last week, remember, Jackson was saving us from guns.

    Wherever the news develops next week, you can count on JJ to be there, to save the day.

    (And attempt to restore his image after telling the world he wanted to Cut Obama’s Nuts Off!)

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/27/michael.jackson/index.html

    Jesse Jackson: Family wants answers

    Michael Jackson’s family suspects that the singer’s personal doctor, Conrad Murray, knows more about Jackson’s death, but they have been unable to contact him, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said today.

  26. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    MJ & JJ, are they related?

  27. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Faster than a Speeding Ambulance Chaser, JJ after saving the National Association of Minority Automobile Dealer’s rushes to LA

    http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-5267-rev-jesse-jackson-cu.html

    Friday, June 26, 2009

    Rev. Jesse Jackson cut speaking panel short to remember Michael Jackson
    by Wendell Hutson

    The Rev. Jesse Jackson was emotionally shaken after learning that the King of Pop, Michael Jackson, had died at age 50.

    The Rev. Jackson, a close friend of the Grammy award-winning singer, was speaking on a panel downtown at the National Association of Minority Automobile Dealer’s annual convention when news broke about Michael Jackson being rushed to the hospital.

    The reverend cut his panel discussion short but offered some words on the world famous recording artist before leaving the conference, which was held at the Sheraton Hotel.

  28. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Before Saving the Minority Car Dealers in Chicago, Jesse Jackson was saving the workers in Detroit

    (Preaching the WORD, while Lambasting Obama’s Bailouts for Banks, Car Makers, and insurance companies – he’s so talented, he can multi-task and do everything at once!)

    http://www.freep.com/article/20090616/NEWS01/90616078

    Rev. Jesse Jackson rallies workers
    By HILLARY HAFKE • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • June 16, 2009

    In a speech at the People’s Summit at Grand Circus Park in Detroit today, the Rev. Jesse Jackson used the recent protests in Iran as an example for American workers to follow, telling his audience “it’s time to stand up and fight back for the American Dream.”

    Jackson compared the Iranian demonstrations to the American presidential elections of 2000 and 2004, when supporters of the losing Democratic candidates didn’t protest the results.

    In his speech to a couple hundred of supporters, Jackson and other speakers sought a moratorium on foreclosures and improved health insurance, industrial and trade policies.

    Jackson turned his attention from the chaos overseas to the National Summit held at the Renaissance Center.

    “This is not a land for the few. This is a land for the people.”

    “You have to get the stimulus down to the people. The money must be sent to the people, not Washington.”

  29. Raptor
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    While the libs here engaged in much wailing and gnashing of teeth when gwb maintained Gitmo, what do we hear from them now, after the latest:

    The Obama administration is considering an executive order to indefinitely imprison a small number of Guantanamo Bay detainees, a move that would be in line with Bush administration policy but already has drawn scorn from civil liberties groups

    crickets chirping…nothing but crickets.

  30. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Jesse Jackson Squeezes in Chattanooga between Detroit, Chicago, and LA.

    http://www.newschannel9.com/news/jackson-979281-jesse-volkswagen.html

    Rev. Jesse Jackson Pushes for Equality in Chattanooga and Volkswagen

    June 17, 2009 – 6:49 PM

    One of the most prominent, recognizable figures in the modern civil rights movement, The Reverend Jesse Jackson, is in Chattanooga to tour the Volkswagen site and meet with top leaders.

    The Leader of the Rainbow/Push coalition was referring to the tough economic times across the country. But Jackson came to Chattanooga Wednesday, to visit our light at the end of the of the darkened economic tunnel: the site of the new Volkswagen plant- a plant that’s being built at a time when so many others are going under.

    “When you don’t have access to capital, it hurts everybody,” Jackson says. “When the plant close and the jobs leave, we all look very much alike in the dark, so lets together turn the lights on.”

    (Gasp! Jesse Jackson is a C A P I T A L I S T !)

    Jackson says, Volkswagen wouldn’t be possible without the civil rights movement: “The cotton curtain was still up. If the curtain of segregation was still up, you couldn’t have Volkswagen and toyota behind the curtain.”

    And because of that, he wants VW to show a commitment to minorities.

  31. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Huh, close Gitmo?

    But, why would we do that?

  32. biased1
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyspunk-
    proudly proclaims the ignorance of cons….
    I love how much CONs who participate in this forum reveal their utter ignorance of finances.

    and then reveal her utter ignorance….
    Michael Jackson might be dead but Michael Jackson Incorporated (whatever it’s called) lives on.

    And one again shouts from her “mountain top”
    The issue was, and remains, how CONs in this thread have simply no clue about what they’re talking about.

    and then nancy adds….
    For Michael Jackson Incorporated (or whatever it’s called), it’s free money.

    Thanks for the valuable insight nancy.

  33. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Jesse Jackson even found time to save Canada!

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/_Choose-futures-over-funerals__-Rev_-Jesse-Jackson-tells-young-N_S_-students-48105872.html

    The Canadian Press – ONLINE EDITION

    ‘Choose futures over funerals,’ Rev. Jesse

    Jackson tells young N.S. students
    By: Melanie Patten, THE CANADIAN PRESS

    HARBOUR, N.S. – A chorus of teen voices filled a small classroom in a Halifax-area high school Monday, as they took direction from American civil rights activist, Rev. Jesse Jackson.

    Standing at the head of the packed room at Cole Harbour District High School, Jackson asked his young, attentive audience to repeat after him:

    “People of dignity have pride in themselves and they are agents of change.”

    Jackson said he was fulfilling what he considers a responsibility – engaging and educating young people to stay away from drugs and to end violence.

    Last month, fights broke out at the school, resulting in the arrests of three students and a 17-year-old boy being taken to hospital.

  34. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Jesse Jackson even found time to save Canada!

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/_Choose-futures-over-funerals__-Rev_-Jesse-Jackson-tells-young-N_S_-students-48105872.html

    The Canadian Press – ONLINE EDITION

    ‘Choose futures over funerals,’ Rev. Jesse

    Jackson tells young N.S. students
    By: Melanie Patten, THE CANADIAN PRESS

    HARBOUR, N.S. – A chorus of teen voices filled a small classroom in a Halifax-area high school Monday, as they took direction from American civil rights activist, Rev. Jesse Jackson.

    Standing at the head of the packed room at Cole Harbour District High School, Jackson asked his young, attentive audience to repeat after him:

    “People of dignity have pride in themselves and they are agents of change.”

    Jackson said he was fulfilling what he considers a responsibility – engaging and educating young people to stay away from drugs and to end violence.

    Last month, fights broke out at the school, resulting in the arrests of three students and a 17-year-old boy being taken to hospital.

  35. biased1
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    A concept only Libtards and kids understand…..

    “it’s free money”

    Adults look at it a little different nancy….

  36. Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    There are about 90 GITMO detainees whose cases “present the greatest difficulty because these detainees cannot be prosecuted in federal court or military commissions. In many cases the evidence against them is classified, has been provided by foreign intelligence services or has been tainted by the Bush administration’s use of harsh interrogation techniques. ‘

    The Obama administration is working on solutions to resolve the problem long term.. what’s the problem with working on a well-considered plan?

    We all knew untangling the Bush Gulag would not be easy….

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/27/politics/washingtonpost/main5118404.shtml

  37. Regular
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Mayor’s Vietnamese Town Hall Meeting

    Date: June 26, 2009
    Contact: Communications Team

    Inform, Engage & Empower

    Wichita Mayor Carl Brewer will host a town hall meeting with the Vietnamese community from 4:30 p.m. to 6 p.m., Sunday, June 28th at the Thai Binh Community Center, 1516 West 21st Street. Residents are invited to visit informational booths to learn more about City of Wichita services. Mayor Brewer will take questions from 5 p.m. to 6 pm.

    “I hope to inform, engage and empower as many residents as possible through my town hall meetings,” Wichita Mayor Carl Brewer said. “My goal is to engage residents who may not be familiar with all of the City services we provide. It’s important to reach out to them and share those details in order to better serve this community.”

    A variety of City departments will provide information including Human Resources, Police, Fire, Transit, Planning, Neighborhood Services, Housing, Library and the Office of Central Inspection. Wichita Public Schools will provide information as well.

    In March, Mayor Brewer hosted a Hispanic Town Hall meeting where residents expressed concerns about lighting and traffic. The City has taken steps to resolve those concerns.

  38. Raptor
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    David asks:

    “what’s the problem with working on a well-considered plan?”

    Seems like that sensible question was ignored with the cap/trade bill introduced at 3AM on Friday morning and voted on with almost no debate the same day. Why the rush? Why is Congress afraid of a little openness in debating this bill?

  39. Regular
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Even a more interesting question, why did 44 Democrats vote against the enviro-Tax bill?

  40. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    MJ Foretold the Future!

    (How did he know his nose would soon be falling off?)

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a7_1243665208

    Michael Jackson fears nose will fall off

    May 30, 2009 MICHAEL Jackson is allegedly in constant fear of dying and is terrified his nose will fall off.

    Close friends of the star said the singer is in a fragile state after being diagnosed with skin cancer, reports The Sun.

    “Michael has become convinced that his nose is going to fall off,” a friend is said to have told the newspaper.

    “But Michael believes that the skin cancer will kill him and More..lives in constant fear of dying.

    “His chances are excellent but he is very afraid.”

    The 50-year-old singer is said to have had biopsies taken from his chest, arm and nose to remove potentially lethal growths since the cancer was allegedly diagnosed last month.

    Jackson is said to have seen doctors in Los Angeles after cancerous skin cells were found on his nose, chest and arm.

    But The Sun said Jackson will not have to undergo radiotherapy to cure his disease.

    Instead the cancer will be scraped off layer by layer.

    Fans were left disappointed when Jackson recently cancelled the first four of his sell-out gigs in the UK.

    The newspaper reports the cancellations were due to Jackson insisting on more time to rehearse and not due to health reasons.

  41. Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    The White House dismissed reports that it has drafted an executive order allowing indefinite detention in the United States of some of the top terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay.

    An administration official told AFP that no such draft order existed, though internal deliberations were taking place on how to deal with those inmates who could not be released or tried in civilian courts.
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ivlhJ7LIrQBkZolFoEQp7bzFjPkQ
    *******
    On the American Clean Energy and Security Act, no amount of debate would have won over the majority of Republicans. They introduced an alternative bill that basically called for more study.

    I’d say that the late addition to the bill was well considered during the drafting…

    After years of cutting the Democrats out, Republican have no credibility in their protests about getting a taste of their own medicine…

  42. Regular
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    DavidB writes:
    After years of cutting the Democrats out, Republican have no credibility in their protests about getting a taste of their own medicine…

    So writing and forcing through a bill not allowing people to read and study it, that will end up being the largest Tax increase in history on the American people is a matter of political party revenge?

    Talk about abuse of power…

  43. Posted June 27, 2009 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Maybe it is just the USE of power…
    No political revenge, just using a majority to pass legislation.

    It was a close vote.. a win by – what – seven votes?? And eight Republican votes? That makes it a bi=partisan win, I think… ;->

  44. Raptor
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    david wrote:

    “After years of cutting the Democrats out, Republican have no credibility in their protests about getting a taste of their own medicine…”

    David complained about the Republicans actions then…so now obviously feels that two wrongs DO make a right? If it was wrong for the Republicans to do so, it is equally wrong for the Democrats to do the same.

  45. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Drenched in blood of slavery…..who?

    Make people aware of truth. Spread this around.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101760

  46. slacker
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    President Obama did not put us in the mess that we are in. Blame it on the right man.

  47. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Wow, at least one in that crazy M.J. crowd got it right:

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-michael-jackson-fans-pictures,0,244290.photogallery?index=82

  48. Raptor
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    slacker…bho has made things worse…3 million unemployed and a skyrocketing deficit that is much much higher than what he ‘inherited’.

    The blame is in the right place.

  49. Posted June 27, 2009 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm | Permalink
    Wow, at least one in that crazy M.J. crowd got it right:

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-michael-jackson-fans-pictures,0,244290.photogallery?index=82
    ==============================================

    Whether you liked the man, or not, Boxlock, your stupid picture just proves ONCE AGAIN, what a slime bucket you really are… I hope you take the Prayer of Confession seriously in the Liturgy tomorrow morning….

  50. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Go write it on the gas station wall bawksy. Nobody reads your links anymore.

  51. Freebird1971
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    So MJ is dead. I could really give less than a sh**t. I care even less about his money family and the no life idiots sobbing in the street.

  52. Pedant
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    By some estimates royalties from “Blowing in the Wind” earn Bob Dylan more than $100,000/year. And that’s just one song.

    IMO, Jackson’s music has nearly as much earning power as Bob Dylan’s. (there were two great American musicians of the twentieth century, musicians with the same cultural whomp as say Mozart’s music on the 18th century or Beethoven’s on the 19th: Louis Armstrong and Bob Dylan. MJ is not on that list, imo, but he’s obviously a commercial powerhouse nonetheless — check out amazon.com or iTunes, he’s outselling everything right now)

    So yeah, the income won’t stop. The debts, however, were capped Thursday with Jackson’s death. It’s just a matter of time and finding an apt discount rate to determine the present value of Jackson’s estate.

    I’m sure it’s considerable.

  53. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    SANFORD for President!”

    Here’s a great candidate for the Repubic Party in 2012: Sanford!

    (Jenny, that is.)

    http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/jenny-sanford-lays-the-wood-to-lovey-govey/#more-41334

  54. Barnie
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Micheal Jackson was a good man. Well as far as we can tell. Just very very weird. I attribute that to his messed up childhood. Didn’t his dad beat and molest him or something? He wanted to stay peter pan the rest of his life, or I mean he wished he was peter pan, or he said he felt like peter pan inside, or he said he wish he could feel peter pan inside?? idk All very confusing. He did donate tons of money to charities though. Made some very unique music. Invented the moonwalk, invented full face transformation plastic surgery. Had interchangeable noses, and touched a lot of people’s lives, while being wrongly accused of touching child’s lives. Had his own amusement park, and grew increasingly weird and reclusive, I don’t see how he was going to pull off this come back concert? Quite an artist, and quite a character. Jam on MJ, Jam on

  55. Barnie
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Damn, that guy could dance. Even when he was all freaky looking, in his later years, he still busting moves, like it was the 1980’s.

  56. satatom
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t Michael Jackson own Bob Dylan’s music as well as the Beatles’?

  57. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Whoa, they changed the link picture. Just so everyone knows what Chas, the faux preacher and self-righteous phony, and BlowJ, the parasitic slug, were taking about here it is again, at least tell they change it.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-michael-jackson-fans-pictures,0,244290.photogallery?index=87

  58. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    “Go write it on the gas station wall bawksy. Nobody reads your links anymore.”–the mindless BlowJ@b

    You just did DumbA&$, or can’t you figure that out before typing.

  59. satatom
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    By some estimates, Jackson’s estate could be worth more than $1 billion. Besides the master recordings of his own music, Jackson owned half of Sony/ATV Music Publishing, a jewel estimated to be worth $2 billion by itself. The 750,000-song catalogue includes music by the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Neil Diamond, Lady Gaga and the Jonas Brothers.

  60. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Go kiss your boss’s…awaiting moderation with that mouth bawksy.

  61. Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvOx4avw8WY&feature=player_embedded

    Iraq Regime: Beat It!

  62. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Here BlowJ@b and Chas the faux preacher, read this.
    This guy was tortured, mostly by his own device, but regardless, may he rest in peace, though I don’t see how, he never lived that way.

    You can run, and you can be forgiven, but you can never escape the consequences. Life choices result in what happens, it’s not all chance.

    “Jackson also deserved much of the blame, of course. Continuing to share a bed with children even after the suspicions surfaced bordered on criminal stupidity.

    He was also playing a truly dangerous game. It is clear to me that Michael was homosexual and that his taste was for young men, albeit not as young as Jordan Chandler or Gavin Arvizo.

    In the course of my investigations, I spoke to two of his gay lovers, one a Hollywood waiter, the other an aspiring actor. The waiter had remained friends, perhaps more, with the singer until his death last week. He had served Jackson at a restaurant, Jackson made his interest plain and the two slept together the following night. According to the waiter, Jackson fell in love.

    The actor, who has been given solid but uninspiring film parts, saw Jackson in the middle of 2007. He told me they had spent nearly every night together during their affair – an easy claim to make, you might think. But this lover produced corroboration in the form of photographs of the two of them together, and a witness.

    Other witnesses speak of strings of young men visiting his house at all hours, even in the period of his decline. Some stayed overnight.

    When Jackson lived in Las Vegas, one of his closest aides told how he would sneak off to a ‘grungy, rat-infested’ motel – often dressed as a woman to disguise his identity – to meet a male construction worker he had fallen in love with.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196009/Im-better-dead-Im-How-Michael-Jackson-predicted-death-months-ago.html

    Choices and actions have consequences…..don’t forget it.

  63. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    There’s only one person on this blog I will talk down to their level like I do you….and that’s you BlowJ.
    You deserve it, every bit of it.

  64. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Laughs at bawkslots.

    I wanted to laugh in his face. But he didn’t have the stones.

    I guess his boss holds them for him?

  65. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Permalink
    Whoa, they changed the link picture. Just so everyone knows what Chas, the faux preacher and self-righteous phony, and BlowJ, the parasitic slug, were taking about here it is again, at least tell they change it.

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-me-michael-jackson-fans-pictures,0,244290.photogallery?index=87
    ================================================

    Still the same picture, Boxlock… So, my earlier comment still holds…. ONCE AGAIN, you show all here what a scum bucket you really are…. Pay close attention to that Confession Prayer tomorrow…

  66. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Without reading Boxlock’s post, I’m betting myself that he has posted some gratutitous cheap shot against Blue Jay.

    Let me check . . . .

    Woo hoo . . . We have a winner!!!

  67. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    “I hope you take the Prayer of Confession seriously in the Liturgy tomorrow morning…”–Chas

    That was tonight, but what would you know about the Liturgy Confession…..seriously?

  68. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    “I wanted to laugh in his face. But he didn’t have the stones.”—BlowJ

    No…BlowJ didn’t have the intelligence to know he was being played for a fool and got himself ‘punked’, ha.

  69. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    From Wiki:

    Counter-projection

    When addressing psychological trauma the defense mechanism is sometimes counter-projection, including an obsession to continue and remain in a recurring trauma-causing situation and the compulsive obsession with the perceived perpetrator of the trauma or its projection.

    Jung writes that “All projections provoke counter-projection when the object is unconscious of the quality projected upon it by the subject.”

    *****

    Boxlock seems to have a compulsive need to attack Blue Jay. Freud-Jung would guess that Blue Jay reminds Boxlock of something that he doesn’t like about himself, so his obsessive need to attack Blue Jay reveals what he secretly loathes about himself.

  70. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Chas,
    No you are absolutely WRONG AGAIN!!
    I originally posted a link to the picture at ‘index=82′, and now it is at ‘index=87.

    Go back an try again faux preacher…by the way, is that the same attention you give to reading the Bible?

  71. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    “No…BlowJ didn’t have the intelligence to know he was being played for a fool and got himself ‘punked’, ha.”

    Decidedly NOT the verdict of the forum bawksy. None of your con pals rode to your rescue.

    You shamed them. I think they’d rather you not remind them of the episode.

    I’m hoping you will!

  72. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Having more trouble with links bawksy?

    Oh what a tangled web we weave…..yada yada?

  73. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock, you spend so much time calling me a faux preache, you dont pay attention to whta I have posted…. I SERVE in Lutheran churches, you idiot….

  74. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Nice try Crapn….but it ain’t gone’a fly any better than cow dung.
    BlueJ is a parasitic slug on society, wanting to rob honest working producers of their own worked for gains. I detest worthless members of society like that and will speak out and fight them anyway I can.
    You standing up for someone of BlowJ’s status degrades yourself, and you have absolutely no room for that.

  75. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Bawks is drinking and his vocabulary is sinking.

  76. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    “gone’a”?

  77. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m not having problems with link, the link number changes as they add photos, it has gone from less than a hundred to well over and the number of the exact photo has changed. Keep up if you are able or just sit down and shut up.

  78. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    You’re afraid of me bawksy. The first step is to admit it to yourself.

  79. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    “Bawks is drinking and his vocabulary is sinking.
    “gone’a”?

    “gone’a”, that’s the way I talk to idiots….it’s their language.

  80. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock, I would be a FOOL to tell you where I serve in the ELCA, given your vitriolic hate filled posts towards me here…

  81. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    “You’re afraid of me bawksy.”—BlowJ

    Idiots….that’s exactly what I’m talking about. What a clown!

  82. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    “I’m not having problems with link, the link number changes as they add photos, it has gone from less than a hundred to well over and the number of the exact photo has changed.”

    Uh huh.

    Like when you broke the “white female McCain supporter brutally attacked and mutilated by black male Obama supporter!” hoax bawks?

    Your credibility here is somewhere south of none.

  83. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Box, it’s still the same cheap shot picture

  84. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    “Boxlock, I would be a FOOL to tell you where I serve in the ELCA, given your vitriolic hate filled posts towards me here…”

    Not so….I think your ‘congregation’, ha, would love to see your posts. As I said….a faux preacher and a liar to any congregation he misleads.

  85. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    You bore me bawks.

    I’m bent on bringing change to just about everything you hold dear. And the wind is at my back.

    You will have to be more interesting in order to even be recognized here.

  86. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    I tell ya what Boxlies… I did a lot of supply years ago at Our Savior Lutheran down in Mulvane… I have preached at Christ Lutheran in Wichita… and many Sundays at St. Paul’s in Peabody… among others…. I am at a ELCA congregation next Sunday in Oklahoma…. Sermon Title: Our Declaration of Dependence…. I’m looking forwarding to being there again…

  87. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    What a farce you are BlowJ.

    You say:
    “You bore me bawks.
    I’m bent on bringing change to just about everything you hold dear. And the wind is at my back.
    You will have to be more interesting in order to even be recognized here.”

    For me boring you BlowJ you sure spend a lot of time letting me play you like a fish that has swallowed the hook, ha ha!

  88. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Box, I find you to be a total wack job… and a Fool, and a LIAR…. As I said, pay close attention to that Confession Liturgy whenever it is you attend Service… Did you have Eucharist Service tonight??

  89. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Of course I don’t believe anything you say Chas, but it is clear you are welcome long anywhere.

  90. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    “Of course I don’t believe anything you say Chas, but it is clear you are ‘NOT’ welcome long anywhere you go”

  91. Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Guess I’ve stirred up the nest of hornets and jackals enough tonight.
    Bye!

  92. BlueJay
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    And yet…

    Your biggest definition here bawks is that you were the con who wouldn’t (couldn’t?) DIDN’T meet me.

    That’s who you are. You play it up your own self as some sort of strength.

    Any way you slice it, you have no identity here without me. But you’re just another target of opportunity for me.

  93. Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:50 pm | Permalink
    “Of course I don’t believe anything you say Chas, but it is clear you are ‘NOT’ welcome long anywhere you go”
    ============================================

    Boxlicker… My JOB is not to be anywhere for very long…. That’s why it’s called SUPPLY and/or Interim…. IDIOT!!!

    Some people dont deserve the absolution of the Liturgy…. but then, I didnt write the Liturgy…. I merely officiate….

  94. Regular
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Better notify the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, Chas will be in State.

  95. Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    good night; good luck; god bless —
    whatever you conceive god to be….

    blessings all — even to losers like Boxlock20..

    so mote it be!!

  96. Barnie
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    That is sad, that poor 20 year old girl,that was shot and killed for no reason, while she was getting a ride home with her friends. There’s no justice that can be served for that.

    The closest to justice for that, would be to catch the person who did it, and have them forcibly execute themselves in public.

  97. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Boxlock20
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:27 pm | Permalink
    Nice try Crapn….but it ain’t gone’a fly any better than cow dung.
    BlueJ is a parasitic slug on society, wanting to rob honest working producers of their own worked for gains. I detest worthless members of society like that and will speak out and fight them anyway I can.
    You standing up for someone of BlowJ’s status degrades yourself, and you have absolutely no room for that.
    ———————-

    Box, you are being unrealistic.

    BJ isn’t that good.

  98. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Say Box,

    Great Post at 8:01 am on 6/23. (Open 6/22)

    You should save it and repost every time Chas goes into one of his rants.

    In other words, please Box, repost this several times every day.

  99. JimJohnson
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
    good night; good luck; god bless —
    whatever you conceive god to be….

    blessings all — even to losers like Boxlock20..
    —————–

    Sound like a real preacher?

    Nope.

    Sounds like a preacher described in 2 Peter Ch 2.

  100. BlueJay
    Posted June 28, 2009 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Uh huh.

    WHO was “JimJohnson” before there was a “JimJohnson” here?

    Enquiring minds say it was “Max”. I disagree.

    I think that little ranty booster blew his brains out after the last election. Certainly, we have not heard from him or many other cons in their prior election nics since then.

    I don’t take the nic of anyone here seriously unless I have met them. So FAR, no con has managed to convince me to think otherwise when I HAVE met them.

    Yawwwwwn. This is the one BlueJay signing off for this
    liberal progressive blog in a con wasteland with sure and certain hope that tomorrow is a better day.

    For forward thinking folks anyway.

  101. Boxlock20
    Posted June 28, 2009 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Good morning Jim,
    Thanks for the comment on my post at 8:01 am on 6/23. (Open 6/22).
    I enjoy yours as well.

  102. Posted June 28, 2009 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19.19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Leviticus 24.10-16)

  103. Raptor
    Posted June 28, 2009 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Box…guessing from chas’s level of vitriol and total intolerance, my guess would be that he went to the Jim Jones divinity school….

  104. Posted June 28, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    heehee.. shuddup and drink yer refreshing beverage!!!

  105. BlueHornet
    Posted July 17, 2009 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    This looks cool so far, what’s up people?
    If there’s anyone else here, let me know.
    Oh, and yes I’m a real person LOL.

    Peace,