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On this date, Jun 25th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 107 °F (1911)
Low: 48 °F (1958)
From Boortz
What’s wrong with this statement?
Libs? Is BoyKing an economic illiterate?
Are you?
“If private insurers say that the marketplace provides the best quality health care; if they tell us that they’re offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can’t run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That’s not logical.”
Looks like I tore the OL up today, I deposited these little gems of wisdom!
The Iranians must determine the direction of their country from within. We’re not prepared for another Iraq and couldn’t afford it anyway.
There’s little difference between a Supreme Leader determining an election and the Supreme Court doing same.
The problem with going back to the “Bush days” is that we’d have to deal with the aftermath of the “Bush days” all over again.
No thread about Governor Sanford??
The story HAS evolved. You dropped the ball editors.
We may have to turn this into the Sanford, Part II thread.
Heard Sanford went on a State paid ‘Economic development’ trip to Argentina last yr. the press was uncertain if their was a romantic rendevou.
AGW alarmists cover their ears and sing la la la la.
“Environmental Protection Agency officials have silenced one of their own senior researchers after the 38-year employee issued an internal critique of the EPA’s climate change position.
Alan Carlin, senior operations research analyst at the EPA’s National Center for Environmental Economics, or NCEE, submitted his research on the agency’s greenhouse gases endangerment findings and offered a fundamental critique on the EPA’s approach to combating CO2 emissions. But officials refused to share his conclusion in an open internal discussion, claiming his research would have “a very negative impact on our office.”
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=160834
Ironically Sanford’s affair had its roots when he was advising the vulnerable mother of two on whether she should reconcile with her husband for the good of the children!
BAGHDAD — A bomb ripped through a crowded market in Baghdad’s main Shiite district on Wednesday, killing at least 69 people and wounding more than 100 less than a week before a deadline for U.S. combat troops to leave Iraq’s urban areas.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528953,00.html
It’s like nam, as we finally start pulling out the violence comes back. The mis-adventure will be a total waste.
Pelosi concedes ‘not enough votes to pass global warming bill’?
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House Democrats unsure of global warming bill’s passage
From CNN Congressional Producer Evan Glass
House Democratic leaders are furiously lobbying their members and moderate Republicans to support a landmark energy bill in the face of resistance from some conservative members of their own party, and staunch opposition from the GOP — roadblocks that are making it difficult to find the 218 votes necessary to pass the measure, according to Democratic leadership aides.
A vote on the Clean Energy and Security Act, which would restrict emissions of green house gases and require use of alternative energy in an effort to slow the effects of global warming, is scheduled for Friday.
The legislation’s lead sponsors held a pep rally outside the Capitol on Wednesday to whip up support for the legislation’s passage. “We are going to pass the most important energy and environment bill in history,” declared Rep Ed Markey, D-Masachusetts, chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming. “We are going to reduce the carbon we send up into the atmosphere but at the same time we are going to begin to back out the oil that we import from countries that we should not be importing it from.”
The legislation would require a 17 percent emissions reduction from 2005 levels by 2020, mandate electric utilities to meet 20% of their electricity demand through renewable energy sources by 2020, provide $90 billion for new investments in energy efficiency and renewable energy, along with $60 billion for carbon capture and sequestration. Another key provision, termed “cap-and-trade,” would require industries and manufacturers to cut carbon emissions by setting up a system where they could buy and sell pollution credits.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi conceded Wednesday evening that there were not enough votes to pass the bill, but that meetings with Democrats and Republicans were ongoing. Many Democrats from rural districts are concerned about the bill’s effect on the manufacturing of ethanol and other biofuels, while Republicans have questioned the overall price tag to Americans. “This legislation has really been quite an experience for all of us,” said Pelosi. “This is really about regional differences, as well as philosophical differences.”
Democrats are hoping that a recent evaluation by Congressional Budget Office (CBO), which estimates that the annual economywide cost of the cap-and-trade program in 2020 would be $22 billion — or about $175 per household, is enough to alleviate concerns of some members.
But House Republican leaders claim the CBO estimate is too low, and doesn’t adequately gauge the harmful effect that stricter regulations will have on business and industry. “There is no question that the cap and trade bill will cost millions of jobs and it is pretty evident, I think now, given the word that we are hearing that the other side has 190 votes at this point, far short of that which are needed to pass this bill,” said House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Virginia.
Despite concerns about not getting any Republicans to ultimately support the bill, Democratic leaders are hoping their more conservative members coalesce around a “grand agreement” being worked out with Rep Colin Peterson (D-MN), chairman of the Agriculture Committee and a leading voice for rural Democrats concerned with the bill.
Ahmadinejad: Obama Is Acting Just Like Bush
Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on President Obama on Thursday not to interfere in Iranian affairs after the U.S. president said he was “appalled and outraged” by post-election violence, a news agency reported.
“Mr. Obama made a mistake to say those things … our question is why he fell into this trap and said things that previously (former U.S. President George W.) Bush used to say,” the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529022,00.html
ANTI
Posted June 25, 2009 at 8:52 am | Permalink
Ahmadinejad: Obama Is Acting Just Like Bush
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Darn Posers!
Phantom,
“It is like nam????”
WTH are you talking about?
South Vietnam was invaded by North Vietnam after our departure. The violence didn’t return, they were invaded.
As we pulled back, the enemy advanced. In the current case the factions will resume their attacks on each other. The Shiites will be ruthless in the genocide of the Sunni faction.
You mean there was no violence in that invasion of S. Vietnam?? Wow!!
I was in country at the start of the pull out, watched the NVA advance unimpeded.
Phantom,
Who is this “we” that pulled out as the enemy advanced?
When we (America) pulled out there was a peace treaty signed. Not until after we had left a couple of years later did the North Invade.
And the Democrats prevented our enforcing any of the threats we had in place to stop that invasion.
And millions of people lost their lives….
You wont see the Democrats taking any responsibility for that though.
Pelosi concedes ‘not enough votes to pass global warming bill’?
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Good. In fact, there’s LOTS of debate that needs to be done, before a measure this important is crammed down anyone’s throat during a “crisis.” This “crisis” is one that should go to waste, Emanual’s statement notwithstanding.
First there’s this:
CBO Grossly Underestimates Cost of Cap and Trade
by David Kreutzer, Ph.D., Karen Campbell, Ph.D. and Nicolas Loris
Last week, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released their analysis of the Waxman-Markey climate change bill that had proponents of the bill claiming Americans could save the planet for just $175 per household. That was the figure CBO estimated cap and trade would cost households in 2020 alone.[1]
Both the CBO’s analysis and the subsequent legislation are troubled: The analysis grossly underestimates economic costs while the legislation will have virtually no impact on climate. Overall, there are a number of basic problems with CBO’s analysis:
Their allowance cost numbers do not add up;
They ignore economic costs such as the decrease in gross domestic product (GDP) as a result of the bill; and
The analysis is an accounting analysis, not an economic analysis.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm2503.cfm
Stay tuned . . . .
The fall of Saigon was just the ‘last stand’ (actually the last refuge), or last domino to fall.
Then there’s this: As usual, when large amounts of your tax money is being thrown around, the first thing you need to know is who is taking the money. Generally, large portions of it are tossed to political contributors or constituents; your tax dollars are used as a slush fund to line the pockets of the politicians and their buddies. That’s true of both parties, BTW. In this case, it’s this:
Pelosi will profit from Obama-Waxman-Markety cap-and-trade energy bill
By: Mark Tapscott
Editorial Page Editor
06/24/09 5:07 PM EDT
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has vowed to bring the Obama-Waxman-Markey (OWM) anti-global warming cap-and-trade energy bill to the floor for a final vote Friday, which raises an interesting question: How much money will Pelosi make if the measure becomes law, as seems quite likely?
Pelosi, of course, is not the only member of Congress to own significant shares of energy companies. Senators and representatives from all over the country do, not just the “oilies” from energy states like Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana.
But as House Speaker, Pelosi’s ownership of an unknown number of shares in the Clean Energy Fuels Corp. (CLNE) valued at between $15,000 and $50,000, may deserve particular attention.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Pelosi-will-profit-from-Obama-Waxman-Markety-cap-and-trade-energy-bill-49034421.html
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and there’s more . . . .
If anyone thought the Sunni and Shiite would lay down together like the lambs and the wolves, they were just naive, or aka a bushie.
Phantom,
Bush never thought that. So how does saying someone who does is a “bushie” make any sense at all?
Chas,
The point, which apparently went right over your head, is that this is nothing like nam as Phantom was saying.
Beware the goals of those who propose substantial greenhouse gasses. This is what they don’t tell you:
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Begin with the current inventory of carbon dioxide emissions – CO2 being the principal greenhouse gas generated almost entirely by energy use. According to the Department of Energy’s most recent data on greenhouse gas emissions, in 2006 the U.S. emitted 5.8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide, or just under 20 tons per capita. An 80% reduction in these emissions from 1990 levels means that the U.S. cannot emit more than about one billion metric tons of CO2 in 2050.
Were man-made carbon dioxide emissions in this country ever that low? The answer is probably yes – from historical energy data it is possible to estimate that the U.S. last emitted one billion metric tons around 1910. But in 1910, the U.S. had 92 million people, and per capita income, in current dollars, was about $6,000.
By the year 2050, the Census Bureau projects that our population will be around 420 million. This means per capita emissions will have to fall to about 2.5 tons in order to meet the goal of 80% reduction.
It is likely that U.S. per capita emissions were never that low – even back in colonial days when the only fuel we burned was wood. The only nations in the world today that emit at this low level are all poor developing nations, such as Belize, Mauritius, Jordan, Haiti and Somalia.
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1235712057.shtml
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Run down the links in the post at Volokh for the original sources. Go ahead, check it out.
Of course, for some on the environmental fringe, those kinds of results are a feature, not a bug . . .
If you think Iran’s govt. is being oppressive, just wath Iraq after we leave.
It sickening to see the stuff that goes on inside churches. Here they abuse a poor kid as he goes into convulsions and vomits. Remember kids, it’s not child abuse when a church does it.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/25/church-posts-controversial-gay-exorcism-video/
At first the church put up the video but decided they weren’t too proud about their Christian love when the media tried to query them. They ran from reporters and took down the video. Now if you are doing the Lard’s work then what do you have to be ashamed of?
I know Maggotpunk, it is sick to see those poor homosexuals inflicted with such demons.
*eye roll*
Phantom
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:18 am | Permalink
If you think Iran’s govt. is being oppressive, just wath Iraq after we leave.
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LOL!
We’re going to leave?
hehehehe
And what, pray tell. is the Obamaman’s schedule for leaving?
Oh, wait a minute, he doesn’t have one!
Talk about a biased MSM, the newspaper in S.C. had the love affair e-mails in their possession since Dec.!
MaggotPunk is a racist against Black people and their chosen faith.
I’d like to see the video of Palin’s exorcism.
From an email…
Our government could not run their own Senate cafeteria or the post office in the black, but they want to take over our health care. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want a health care system like Canada or Great Britain. This expanding of the government with control over all parts of our lives is unacceptable.
The Congress passes massive spending bills without reading them, Obama said he doesn’t want to run the car company, but is, along with the banking industry and insurance companies. If they decide what salaries these people can earn, you better know that your salary can be next.
Obama and senators are outraged when CEOs fly in private jets to D.C. for hearings, yet he and Michelle can fly to New York City for “date night” on our dime. No outrage.
Our best allies have been snubbed while other countries that have no regard for us receive preferential treatment.
We hear almost nothing about the more than 15 czars that were appointed by Obama. There are: bank, car, energy, health, cyber, and intelligence czars to name a few. There is no oversight by Congress, they report only to the President. What does the news media report on, the amazing Obama catching a fly in mid air! Is this what is important?
We know that we are not allowed to drill for our oil. When the price of gasoline goes up to $4 again, everyone will be in an uproar. We can’t build nuclear plants, but countries like France depend mostly on nuclear power.
During the campaign Obama said he wanted to “spread the wealth” and the time has come that we can’t turn the thermostat up and eat what we want to anymore. Is this the kind of America you want, government is every part of your life?
According to a NASA study, “the sun, not man is responsible for global warming” And it will be responsible for global cooling. No surprise!
One last point, we are not being informed of the drastic changes in our government. Reporters need to report on the news, not the fluff we get from almost all news sources.
I am hoping that the American people wake up before it is too late!
Cap and trade gets voted on tomorrow. Do your duty and contact your representative TODAY.
“Do your duty and contact your representative TODAY.”
I will, and tell them to vote in favor of cap and trade.
But, I live in the backwater, corporate duchy of Kansas and intelligent thought is not embraced here. Apparently, when you live in such an awful place, it is difficult to convince people that it can get any worse.
Maggotpunk
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:18 am | Permalink
It sickening to see the stuff that goes on inside churches.
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Then don’t look. What an idiot! You claim being sickened while you seek it out. Are you totally ret@rded?
Nathaniel, the much anticipated “bloodbath” that Nixon promised would happen when South Vietnam fell never happened. “Millions” did not die as a result of the Vietnam reunifyiing.
Now, if you are talking about Cambodia and the Pol Pot/Khmer Rouge massacres, it is well understood that Nixon’s “secret bombing” and invasions so destabilized Sihanouk, who had held things together throughout the war, led to the slaughter of millions.
The Vietnamese invaded Cambodia in December 1978 and ousted the Khmer Rouge.
You may enjoy beating up on Democrats, but get your history straight.
N. Korea Warns of Nuclear ‘Fire Shower’ Attack
SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea vowed Thursday to enlarge its atomic arsenal and warned of a “fire shower of nuclear retaliation” in the event of a U.S. attack, as the regime marked the 1950 outbreak of the Korean War.
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Uhm, yeah, cause we have such a strong president right?
What ever. This guy is a crack pot. You want to spend billions on half a$sed fire crackers, go for it. Don’t come crying to us when your people are starving.
Make your firecrackers. Launch your test missiles. Enjoy.
But attack America? Get ready for your dirt nap buster.
LOL! SOL!! Americans did wake up last October and November and elected Obama…
Nobody is stopping industry from building nuclear power plants, but no one is willing to invest in them. I guess the government could build some.. but then you’d be upset about government taking over the energy supply!!!
I do want a health care system like Canada or Great Britain! (Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee. – http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html?hpid=topnews )
Drilling is taking place every day for American oil. What do you mean, “we can’t?”
Who emails you this crap? LOL.
DavidB,
The “reunifying” as you so naively say led to millions of South Vietnamese being imprissoned in reeducation camps where hundreds of thousands died.
Millions more fled and became the “boat people”
Oh I have my history straight.
And you don’t.
The Vietnamese forces are what did the bulk of the fighting against the Cambodian government in the early 70’s and the Khmer Rouge basically got to stand back and watch.
As the Vietnamese pulled out the Khmer Rouge gradually stepped up and overthrew the government.
It is you who needs to get your history straight.
The reason Vietnam went back was because Cambodia was conducting raids across the border and sending it’s military forces across into Vietnam killing villagers.
The Cap and Tax Fiction -Democrats off-loading economics to pass climate change bill.
The hit to GDP is the real threat in this bill. The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.
When the Heritage Foundation did its analysis of Waxman-Markey, it broadly compared the economy with and without the carbon tax. Under this more comprehensive scenario, it found Waxman-Markey would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill’s restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html
“Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history. Even Democrats can’t repeal that reality.”
Nathan, were you even born when we left Vietnam??
Nathaniel
Posted June 25, 2009 at 8:54 am | Permalink
Phantom,
“It is like nam????”
WTH are you talking about?
South Vietnam was invaded by North Vietnam after our departure. The violence didn’t return, they were invaded.
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Chas
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:00 am | Permalink
You mean there was no violence in that invasion of S. Vietnam?? Wow!!
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Nathaniel
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:14 am | Permalink
Chas,
The point, which apparently went right over your head, is that this is nothing like nam as Phantom was saying.
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Seems to me that one who was on the ground “in country” might just know more about what was happening “on the ground” — Dont ya think, Nathan???
What’s wrong with this statement?
Libs? Is BoyKing an economic illiterate?
Are you?
“If private insurers say that the marketplace provides the best quality health care; if they tell us that they’re offering a good deal, then why is it that the government, which they say can’t run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business? That’s not logical.”
They stole it from my statement last week?
The primary difference is that there was no civil war when we pulled out of nam, there will be when we pull out of Iraq.
Seems to me that one who was on the ground “in country” might just know more about what was happening “on the ground” — Dont ya think, Nathan???
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It’s obvious from reading Phantom’s posts and the posts from other statists and sheeple that the most important lesson to learn from the Viet Nam conflict is that liberals, statists, progressives and other sheeple of the coming glorious welfare state aren’t smart enough to discuss in any meaningful way the ‘lessons learned in Viet Nam’!
Hundreds of thousands may have been put into the ‘re-education’ camps, but you started off by saying “millions” died in the camps… now it is “hundreds of thousands”.. maybe it was thousands?
At some point, a war is lost and all the King’s horses and all the King’s men can’t undo it. Redeploying to Vietnam in 1975 was not choice Republican president Gerald Ford cared to make…….
But what the heck! My shirt was proudly “Made in Vietnam,” and I hope to vacation there soon, visit the My Lai memorial and party down in H? Chí Minh City!!
David B.’s account is accurate. Nixon destablilized Cambodia (unforseen consequence?) and Pol Pot took over exterminating millions.
The fall of Saigon/South VN did not result in the predicted blood bath.
And, VN, drove out the khmer rouge.
Just wondering…..
Do you expect the value of your house to increase?
Do you expect your wages to increase?
Do you expect your savings to increase?
Why?
Since what actually happened doesn’t matter to “Nathaniel’s” view of history –
Pol Pot was justified because someone shot his dog.
Just wondering…
Do you expect your grocery prices to increase?
Do you expect your energy prices to increase?
Do you expect your health care prices to increase?
Why?
I was kind of proud of VN for cleaning up the mess Nixon created in Cambodia, and doing the world a humanitarian mission.
Just wondering…
Do you expect your interest rates on your investments to increase?
Do you expect your interest rates on your loans to increase?
Why?
How about Colin Powell’s lessons learned in Vietnam. When Bush appointed him, we thought, “At least he has a wise military man to advise him.” OOOPS!
The Powell Doctrine states that a list of questions all have to be answered affirmatively before military action is taken by the United States:
Is a vital national security interest threatened?
Do we have a clear attainable objective?
Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
Is the action supported by the American people?
Do we have genuine broad international support?[1]
As Powell said in an April 1, 2009 interview on The Rachel Maddow Show, the Doctrine denotes the exhausting of all “political, economic, and diplomatic means,” which, only if those means prove to be futile, should a nation should resort to military force. Powell has expanded upon the Doctrine, asserting that when a nation is engaging in war, every resource and tool should be used to achieve decisive force against the enemy, minimizing US casualties and ending the conflict quickly by forcing the weaker force to capitulate.
In Nathan’s world Pol Pot was a Pot smokin hippie.
It must be an article of shame for him, that Powell abandoned his doctrine for politics.
I wonder if the recent bombings by the Sunnis aren’t a desperate plea for America not to draw back and leave them to the mercies of the Shiite?
“Do you expect your interest rates on your investments to increase?
Do you expect your interest rates on your loans to increase?”
# 1 — dont know aat this point…
# 2 — absolutely not… fixed mortgage in place.
DavidB,
No, wrong again. My claim was that millions died, not specifically where. And millions did die, over a hundred thousand in those reeducation camps.
Now you joke about vacationing there, but it was no joke to the millions who had to flee, the millions forced into reeducation camps, the over hudnred thousand that died in those camps, and the millions killed in Cambodia due to Vietnam helping overthrow the government there.
Again, you are the one who needs to get your history straight.
A good piece from the KC Star on Matt Blunt’s “defense” of the Repubic Party’s plan for reforming health care coverage –
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/4907
Four pages. With no cost estimate. No clue as to how 50 million Americans without insurance would be helped by it.
But don’t feel bad.. even Nixon and Kissinger had trouble making up what number to use ;-)
“To cite just one example, in an April 1972 conversation between Nixon and Henry Kissinger, the president and his national security advisor spent four minutes debating how, in an approaching speech, Nixon should characterize the likely victims and whether he should claim that “hundreds of thousands” would be killed in a post-withdrawal bloodbath or, more menacingly, “millions” would lose their lives. After going back and forth and back and forth – a spar that today illuminates the weak empirical basis of these earlier White House predictions – Nixon finally concluded it would be “better to say” that only “hundreds of thousands” would be killed.’ http://hnn.us/articles/23641.html
Phantom,
You were proud?
Do you even bother to read history at all?
Vietnam HELPED the Khmer Rouge over throw the existing Cambodian government.
Millions of lives lost later…
It was Pol Pot’s actions of cross border raids, attacks on Vietnamese villages, which finally led Vietnam to go back.
If Pol Pot had left Vietnam alone, who knows how many more people would have been killed.
And you have the stupidity to call that a humanitarian mission?
“Do you expect your grocery prices to increase?
Do you expect your energy prices to increase?
Do you expect your health care prices to increase?”
# 1 — well, Dillons has cut a lot of prices…
# 2 — Actually, gas prices have come down in the past two weeks…
# 3 — Quite likely… Drs. arent charging more… but medical supplies have gone up… however many Rx meds have dropped — it’s a toss up until something is done about health care…
Chas,
Phantom might have been on the ground… up until the fall of Saigon.
Figuring that most of our argument is about what took place AFTER Phantom would have left, it makes your point obsolete.
Not that I even agree with such a logical fallacy in the first place.
Ah yes.. somewhere, sometime, millions died…
I thought you said millions died as a result of the invasion (reunification) and or the Democrats’ inaction under Ford.. (very confusing)
“And the Democrats prevented our enforcing any of the threats we had in place to stop that invasion.
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And millions of people lost their lives…”
Well, whatever it was ALL THE DEMOCRATS FAULT, and that’s all that matters…….
I thought it was funny to hear on the Nixon tape that he wanted Kissinger’s calls traced to see who he was talking to.
“Do you expect the value of your house to increase?
Do you expect your wages to increase?
Do you expect your savings to increase?”
# 1 — Possibly… others on my block have gone up… not sure… not planning to sell…
# 2 — Yes… why?? Contracts….
# 3 — Yes… Expenses decrease when my wages increase… :-)
Nathan,
Define “logical fallacy”
Whatever their motivation, they did the world a service by removing the khmer rouge.
I haven’t read anywhere that Vietnam helped to bring Pol Pot to power, other than by their use of Cambodian routes which caused Nixon to bomb Cambodia.
“The Cambodian-Vietnamese War (Vietnamese: Chi?n tranh biên gi?i Vi?t Nam–Campuchia) was a series of conflicts between the two countries, culminating in the Vietnamese invasion and subsequent occupation of Cambodia and the removal of the Khmer Rouge regime from power. This ended the Cambodian genocide from 1975-1979 under the rule of Pol Pot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian-Vietnamese_War
# 3 — Yes… Expenses decrease when my wages increase… :-) **
** Addendum… When wages increase, more is available afterwards… Thus more available to add to savings…
From the Wiki article you might notice that Cambodia was aligned with China while VN had aligned with the Soviet Union.
Norodom Sihanouk wisely played both sides to keep his country out of the war and keep his people relatively safe.
It worked for quite awhile.
BTW. kind of like WMD,., Nixon (illegally) went into Cambodia looking for the “Vietnamese Pentagon” across the border.. expecting to find an intricate military infrastructure.. They found some tunnels and old typewriters and huts… Man, those commies were good fighters…..
The exact history does not matter.. the point Nat makes is that whatever happened it, was all the Democrats fault.. nah nah nah nahnah!
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Chas
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink
Define “logical fallacy”
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Logical Fallacy = The position that Libs take when trying to defend immoral or anti-intellectual claims based on hearsay, innuendo, hubris or defecating principles of progressive mindset.
Gosh, Regular, I didnt know you were Nathan today… If you are, your definition is WRONG… No more Kool Aide for you today!!
It’s funny how the fundies respond to my criticism of church activities. They are never upset with the abuse that goes on inside churches, just the exposure of them. Quite telling isn’t it? It’s no surprise that throughout history there were governments and organization committing atrocities and there were plenty of people willing to turn their heads the other way. Stanley Milgram found these people useful to push buttons.
“Nathaniel” squirms –
” My claim was that millions died, not specifically where.”
Well, boy. By that measure “millions have died” since Ronald Reagan became president.
My 92-year-old grandmother was one of ‘em.
(We’re not talking about “specifically where,” now are we?)
So now, in addition to your biblical scholarship (“Taking the Bible literally doesn’t mean literally taking every word literally.”), and your self-professed expertise on parenting, your professed skill to dispose of the bodies and cars of those who might shoot your dog, you’re adding special insight into the political dynamics of Southeast Asia during the 60s and 70s?
You’re obviously a real renaissance man, boy.
You’re turning out to be a regular “Regular” for this forum.
Thanks for your contributions.
HLP
Posted June 25, 2009 at 8:49 am | Permalink
Pelosi concedes ‘not enough votes to pass global warming bill’?
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Well good for you, Hank. You can continue to sh*t where you eat. You can celebrate by burning some old tires. As a treat, go dump some used motor oil in the lake.
Another fine conservative steward of the environment.
Looks like Sihanouk’s overthrow in 1970 by a pro-western movement was what got the khmer rouge going,
“On March 18, 1970, while Sihanouk was returning from a health cure in France via Moscow, he and his government were overthrown by Lt. Gen. Lon Nol and Prince Sisowath Sirik Matak. This pro-Western coup resulted in Sihanouk’s forming a government-in-exile in Peking and in the declaration of Cambodia as a republic. At that time he also announced his support of the Cambodian Communist Khmer Rouge under General Pol Pot in their efforts to overthrow Lon Nol.
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LOL!!! (wiping coffee from my keyboard)
XXX
“Global Warming” is a fraud.
The “Global Warming Bill” is just a massive across the board tax increase.
BlueJay
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:37 am | Permalink
“Do your duty and contact your representative TODAY.”
I will, and tell them to vote in favor of cap and trade.
But, I live in the backwater, corporate duchy of Kansas and intelligent thought is not embraced here. Apparently, when you live in such an awful place, it is difficult to convince people that it can get any worse.
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Glad to hear you support coal fired plants junior. Good on you.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-624-3/#comment-609622
Operation Rescue has officially started their witch hunt against Dr. Carhart today. I’m sure they are praying to Jesus that this campaign ends as well as their witch hunt against Dr. Tiller did.
Just thank GAWD we have Republicans who know how to intervene internationally.
Like, if Reagan had not trained and armed Osama Bin Laden and his boys against the Russians in Afghanistan, well, there would be a big mess there now… Hell, the Russians might still be bogged down there…
And of course, we can’t forget the wisdom of Reagan secretly siding with Saddam Hussein against Iran… that has paid dividends hard to calculate… ;-)
Darned Democrats!!!
SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink
Cap and trade gets voted on tomorrow. Do your duty and contact your representative TODAY.
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Nah, just come to the blog and spend all day carping and griping like you usually do.
Chas
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink
Gosh, Regular, I didnt know you were Nathan today… If you are, your definition is WRONG… No more Kool Aide for you today!!
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Kool-aid = A popular Liberal drink, consisting of possum qu33fing extract, chimpanzee arm-flailing nectar and squealing hermaphrodite shavings.
” Operation Rescue is asking women who have had abortions by LeRoy Carhart in the past five years to contact them.
“We are conducting a research project and are encouraging women who are ready to share their stories about their abortion experiences with LeRoy Carhart to contact us as soon as possible,” said Operation Rescue Senior Policy Advisor (and ex-con, formerly imprisoned bomb co-conspirator) Cheryl Sullenger. ”
I hope these women come forward, too, and stop the O.R. liars in their tracks….
Nah, just come to the blog and spend all day carping and griping like you usually do.
Really? My congressman has already been contacted by three members of my family.
What have you done?
Heckler
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink
XXX
“Global Warming” is a fraud.
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Good stewardship of the environment isn’t.
Operation Rescue did a similar campaign against Dr. Tiller (deceased at the hands of an Operation Rescue member). One patient they got previously praised Dr. Tiller for helping her, but after some money exchanged hands she denounced Tiller. I wonder how much money Newman will pay out to get women to speak out against Dr. Carhart?
SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink
Nah, just come to the blog and spend all day carping and griping like you usually do.
Really? My congressman has already been contacted by three members of my family.
What have you done?
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I’ve been a productive asset to my employer.
You should try it.
….and speaking of “global warming” and wind energy- had a discussion with my brother-in-law who works for Westar. He works the control board distributing power. He has to manage the load in and out of the system and figure out how to get things back up and running during major power outages. Talk about a pressure job.
I asked him if the Beaumont wind farm was on his grid and if it was a pain in the aahse. Affirmative!! Westar had to put in 10 small gas turbines to use in balancing the load from the wind farms. The load varies significantly as much as twice per minute. They have to dial the small gas turbines up and down constantly to smooth out the Wind Farm input.
So if you notice your electric bill going up you can thank wind energy, at least in part.
Pass Cap and Tax and watch it go up some more.
I’ve been a productive asset to my employer.
You should try it.
You’re pretty assuming. What do you see in your crystal ball now? Why hasn’t your crystal ball given you the power ball number yet?
PS,
I own my company.
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XXX
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink
SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink
Nah, just come to the blog and spend all day carping and griping like you usually do.
Really? My congressman has already been contacted by three members of my family.
What have you done?
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I’ve been a productive asset to my employer.
You should try it.
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How long have you been assetting?
One of Charlie’s Angels has become one of God’s Angels, We’ll miss you Farah.
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Good stewardship of the environment does not require massive tax increases based on fraudulent science.
Farrah is dead.
“ANTI” imparts –
“Farrah is dead.”
At least you have your priorities in order.
If anyone is still in doubt about what this national healthcare is all about a helpful source would be the John Fund in todays WSJ.
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“In a desperate scramble to pay for the soaring costs of President Obama’s health care plan, the Senate Finance Committee is contemplating taxing for the first time the health insurance benefits workers get from their employers. One approach would tax the benefits only of workers earning over $100,000. An alternate proposal would tax the value of health care benefits that exceed a cap.
But the taxes wouldn’t be applied equally. Union members serving under collective bargaining agreements would be exempt, even though they often have the richest and most extensive packages of benefits. Union officials have told Democratic leaders of Congress that because collective bargaining agreements can last several years, they should be exempt from any tax because contracts can’t be changed quickly enough to avoid it.”
Senators and House representative would not be in the plan UNLESS they chose to give up their current plan and opt into the ‘new public plan’. Union members would enjoy a tax benefit not given to the rank and file of ordinary citizens not under a union agreement. BTW this agreement is not with the fed gov so why would this be right.
http://online.wsj.com/article/john_fund_on_the_trail.html
Only those who really want to know what is happening with our healthcare will read this. The rest will drink the kool-aid and think they have the entire picture.
SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink
I’ve been a productive asset to my employer.
You should try it.
You’re pretty assuming. What do you see in your crystal ball now? Why hasn’t your crystal ball given you the power ball number yet?
PS,
I own my company.
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Then your company is owned by a wastrel.
I own 700 of the top Fortune 500 companies.
You can make any claim you please on the internet.
Proving it is another matter.
I own my own company, why do I have to prove anything to you?
Welcome to reality. Sorry yours sucks so bad.
Regular
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:54 am | Permalink
How long have you been assetting?
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How long since you’ve had a bath, stinky?
XXX
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Heckler
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink
XXX
“Global Warming” is a fraud.
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Good stewardship of the environment isn’t.
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X what bothers me most about this ‘cap and trade’ deal is that those of us who actually work to improve the environment aren’t given any credit at all. Only those who make millions off this are noted.
Those of us who drive small cars, install the new low wattage bulbs at a considerable expense, always turn off lights when leaving a room, keep AC higher than comfortable, use fans which use less electricity when needed, recycle, in other word all of the things prudent people would do – well we get slapped down because we haven’t swallowed the line from the administration about global warming.
If this cap and trade bill passes we will all pay more, much more. The poorest families among us will feel the pinch most. Where is the common sense to look at this and see the downside to something that has yet to be proved.
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“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has put cap-and-trade legislation on a forced march through the House, and the bill may get a full vote as early as Friday. It looks as if the Democrats will have to destroy the discipline of economics to get it done.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.html
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A very interesting article showing how numbers are being manipulated to achieve the results Pelosi and Waxman want.
Read it at your own risk. It just might change your mind.
Heehe.. we all agree: “Good stewardship of the environment does not require massive tax increases based on fraudulent science.”
SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
I own my own company, why do I have to prove anything to you?
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You don’t have to prove anything to me. I’m already convinced that you’re not a productive member of the team.
Others have to work harder so you can spend all day blogging. Great example you set. Most business owners I know are hard working people. You’re obviously an exception to that.
I wonder how much co2 Waxman expels out of those huge nostrils?
okobserver
Posted June 25, 2009 at 12:10 pm | Permalink
XXX
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:47 am | Permalink
Heckler
Posted June 25, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink
XXX
“Global Warming” is a fraud.
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Good stewardship of the environment isn’t.
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Excellent post, ok. Wish I had time to discuss, but lunch time is over….back to work.
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XXX
Posted June 25, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink
SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
I own my own company, why do I have to prove anything to you?
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You don’t have to prove anything to me. I’m already convinced that you’re not a productive member of the team.
Others have to work harder so you can spend all day blogging. Great example you set. Most business owners I know are hard working people. You’re obviously an exception to that.
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I recollect that SolDevVB is a coder. Coders often do their best coding in the wee hours of the morning. It’s a geek thing, but pretty common in the programming world.
Others have to work harder so you can spend all day blogging. Great example you set. Most business owners I know are hard working people. You’re obviously an exception to that.
LMFAO !!!
Let me know when that crystal ball of yours gives you the power ball number.
Too funny.
Latest Update “COLUMBIA, S.C. — Gov. Mark Sanford is with his family following the startling confession that he has been having a yearlong extramarital affair with a woman from Argentina.”
This may be punishment enough. whahahahahahhaha!!!!!
SEOUL, South Korea — Punching their fists into the air and shouting “Let’s crush them!” some 100,000 North Koreans packed Pyongyang’s main square Thursday for an anti-U.S. rally as the communist regime promised a “fire shower of nuclear retaliation” for any American-led attack.
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Thats a “change” we can live with!!!
Yes we can!!!!
BOHICA!
Dems a trying to “Rahm” it up their a$ses. I’m sure the libs love that feeling.
“Remember that gargantuan climate change bill we told you about last week? It’s gotten bigger. Over the weekend, the bill grew from 946 pages to 1,201 pages, according to the Sunlight Foundation. It’s still changing, with important amendments in flux.
But Democratic leaders in the House say they’ll push for a vote on the bill as early as Friday. They think they can pass it.This is an incredibly expensive undertaking. If anyone in Congress tells you that he has read and completely understands this bill, and can explain exactly how the system to reduce carbon emissions would work and what its effects would be, he’s lying.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion
biased1 quaking in boots, or is he hiding under the bed. And, no terror alert to keep him updated!
This is the point gwb would’ve ordered an pre-emptive nuclear strike on N.K.
DavidB,
There is nothing confusing about it, until you purposefully seek to distort my comments.
And now you say history doesn’t matter…
My original statement:
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Nathaniel
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:05 am | Permalink
Phantom,
Who is this “we” that pulled out as the enemy advanced?
When we (America) pulled out there was a peace treaty signed. Not until after we had left a couple of years later did the North Invade.
And the Democrats prevented our enforcing any of the threats we had in place to stop that invasion.
Nathaniel
Posted June 25, 2009 at 9:06 am | Permalink
And millions of people lost their lives….
You wont see the Democrats taking any responsibility for that though.
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Which is true. The invasion of South Vietnam by North Vietnam led to:
-Millions of refugees fleeing Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia to escape death and “reeducation” camps”
-Camps where over a hundred thousand people were killed.
-The Genocide of over a million people in Cambodia under Pol Pot.
These are just some of the more major things which happened as a result of North Vietnam invading South Vietnam.
When we left Vietnam it was under the Paris Peace Accords. We had in place several threats against the North if they failed to keep the peace.
The Democrats neutered the President from being able to carry out any of those threats.
After a couple of years of resupply by the Soviets, the North Vietnamese marched on the South. While we did nothing. While the Soviets equiped the North, we withheld equipment and funding. While the North preapred, we advertised we wouldn’t back the South any longer.
It is history. It happened. It is true.
No amount of distortion on your part is going to change that.
New Unemployment Claims Rise Unexpectedly to 627,000
The Labor Department announced Thursday that new jobless claims rose by 15,000 to a seasonally adjusted 627,000.
How many jobs has obama saved? At what cost per job?
Americans Increasingly Skeptical of Obama’s Pledge of Fiscal Discipline as Deficit Grows
With each spending proposal President Obama rolls out, the deficit grows astronomically and the American people are growing more concerned.
Enter voter’s remorse.
U.S. Officials Dismiss North Korea Missile Threat
As tens of thousands of North Koreans rallied against international sanctions on their country and amid threats of a “fireshower of nuclear retaliation” from their regime, U.S. officials are making light of the rhetoric — for now at least.
Sounds like the logical path.
Phantom
Posted June 25, 2009 at 1:16 pm | Permalink
This is the point gwb would’ve ordered an pre-emptive nuclear strike on N.K.
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Safer just to bomb an aspirin factory….
That’ll learn ‘em!
Phantom
Posted June 25, 2009 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
biased1 quaking in boots, or is he hiding under the bed. And, no terror alert to keep him updated!
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I think even a average caliber leader would have more to say than…..
“I’ll uh, talk to ‘em about that”….
SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
I own my own company, why do I have to prove anything to you?
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So…. how come you rag on Blue Jay and poke fun at him nearly every day???
Blue Jay owns HIS company, too!!
Chas,
Good Point. Makes one wonder if BlueJay is registered with the city and has a sales tax ID. Does he submit all the proper paperwork to the government on his income?
Hmmmmm….
Makes one wonder.
Nathan, same could be asked about SOL… if one wanted to dwell in matters not of their own concern…
Knowing BlueJay, I’m sure he takes care of his business just fine…
So…. how come you rag on Blue Jay and poke fun at him nearly every day???
Blue Jay owns HIS company, too!!
Could it be that my company is profitable? That I don’t rely on government handouts to take care of my kid or myself?
Does he own his own company or does he just do odd jobs here and there off the books. Kind of funny how he rails on and on about raising taxes. Does he pay his?
Yes, Nathan. You are right I am sure it is some kind of shame that the USA did not storm back into Vietnam to lose a second time and kill a few hundred thousand more Vietnamese and maybe round up US troop losses to a nice round 100,000.
Why, if we had won, the shirt on my back may have been made in Vietnam.
I wonder if the income he uses to qualify his some for state aid includes his ‘business income’?
That might be interesting since he tells us all the time that we should be paying more taxes and be happy to do it.
….and so it goes….
DavidB,
1. We never lost a first time.
2. Many of the measures threatened didn’t require a full scale invasion or use of ground troops.
3. The cost of freedom and liberty is never an easy price to pay. But yes, who cares about those millions the liberal anti-war hippies supported the killing of? That the Democrats wouldn’t help?
Either way, as I have proven, you don’t know your history. Which I wouldn’t have made a big deal about except for how arrogantly you tried to point out that I didn’t.
Well, Nathan, did we WIN that war that was never declared a war, or was it a draw?? Why do you think you know more than those who lived through that era??
Say Chas,
Speaking of history, how’s squarepeg doing these days?
No liberal, anti-war hippy I knew ever supported the killings of millions – (there is that number again.)
Sorry, I forgot that the US did not lose the war. I am so confused, Nathan, please explain it. We won?
Remember that song “You got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em?”
I can’t avoid pointing out that Vietnam was going to have a democratic election in the 50s and Ho Chi Minh was likely to win, so the US and allies scuttled the free election and help set this whole exercise in blood letting.
Yea, we could have carpet bombed civilians in the North again I guess.. but I really don’t think our violence would have deterred those rascals…
Well, ANTI —
Since you and some of your Goon Squad have made up all of your LIES about Square Peg, why dont YOU tell us how Square Peg is doing… I have posted dozens of times, I dont KNOW Square Peg…
Your turn now…
liberal anti-war hippies!!@ LOL
right-wing neocon chickenhawk war-mongering draft deferral prince rich-kids who learned the WRONG lessons from Vietnam.. then shat on Colin Powell
Chas
Posted June 25, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink
Well, ANTI —
Since you and some of your Goon Squad….blah, blah, blah…
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I have a Goon Squad?
Germaine to M-Punk’s post of 11:47 a.m. today:……
Ah, yes – The UberLiar…..
What do you suppose ever became of her?
It is never appropriate – no matter how much pain an individual may be suffering – to lie. Much less to viciously lie. Far worse, still, to fantastically lie.
Several years ago, I remember reading a few of “The Liar’s” attestations on other websites. Evidently, OR’s president helped her – not necessarily financially but through counseling.
If that was the case – if that was only the case – my hat’s off to him. Because a vicious liar needs to be rehabilitated. Not only that, but I sympathized with the emotional aftermath of her abortion. I didn’t blame Dr. Tiller, but I had to put myself in her shoes. I couldn’t discriminate.
Then again, Big Bertha was too stupid, starved for friends or just plain starved in the intellect to wonder, “Gee whiz, is this b–ch telling the truth here?” All things considered, that was probably one of the nadirs of my life.
I can’t imagine Troy being that f–king stupid – or socially bereft, for that matter.
In any case, no woman – even the most depressed woman – has the right to spew forth fanciful drivel. If you need help, seek it (whether it’s from a right-to-life activist, a clergy or family/friend). If you feel compelled to change your moral beliefs, do so.
Gee – I wonder what “The Liar” is feeling in the wake of Dr. Tiller’s malevolent murder. Let’s hope she received the help she needed – and if it derived from OR leadership, so be it.
Limbaugh said today that hypocrisy helps build moral standards… Absolutely amazing!! What an idiot!!
DarwinB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Permalink
liberal anti-war hippies!!@ LOL
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You weren’t with a certain former presidential candidate (that will remain nameless) that spent one christmas eve on a river in cambodia were ya?
Jesus – I gravely miss several attributes of my former faith. Chief among them is this: Confession.
How f–king larcenous was it for me – for six weeks in the spring of 2005 – to continually listen to a liar’s tales – without even considering whether they may have been untruthful? By extending friendship to someone, one is helping to create them – to sustain them – to validate them. And if there is mordant pathology going on – and if that pathology could have seriously harmed someone……
Holy s–t – I wish I could go to Confession right about now. Because I’m feeling really, really chagrined – as I have for the past four years.
But I cannot – because I am no longer Catholic. And because I can no longer give them what they require. Because I won’t lie to a priest. Finally, because I detest the Vatican and offer no obeisance to them.
Unfulfilled longings….abiding regrets…..I wish I could stuff ‘em all in little tube and expel them out my a–.
No, but I recall the shooting of the students when the invasion (oops – incursion) of Cambodia took place… mmmm the smell of tear gas mixed with burning ROTC buildings…
“I love the smell of tear gas in the morning…”
Flimflam- Unfulfilled longings….abiding regrets…..I wish I could stuff ‘em all in little tube and expel them out my a–.
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I would like to see just the opposite with most of your posts….
but thats just me….
Marriage, apparently, is between a man and a woman and a woman in Argentina.
Thanks for your moral leadership, CONs.
“Thanks for your moral leadership, CONs.”
Sorry, we had nothing to do with either Clinton or Edwards.
“But I cannot – because I am no longer Catholic. And because I can no longer give them what they require. Because I won’t lie to a priest. Finally, because I detest the Vatican and offer no obeisance to them.” [FilmFan]
Contact any Protestant Pastor, or Jewish Rabbi (not Orthodox) in the City… Any would be happy to hear your Confession… You might concentrate on the more mainline protestant pastors… and Reform Rabbis…
Film Fan, I know a number of priests who would gladly hear your confession even though you no longer consider yourself a Catholic… Call the Chancery office, for more information on that… ok??
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Chas
Posted June 25, 2009 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
Limbaugh said today that hypocrisy helps build moral standards… Absolutely amazing!! What an idiot!!
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Chas, you should improve your listening skills. I was out headed to an appointment and heard that piece. Limbaugh argued that the RECOGNITION of hypocrisy was good in that it showed that there were moral standards out there to offend. Which I agree with.
Everyone, IMO should aspire to high standards. Will we always meet them? Nope. Will we fall harder some times than others and in a more public way? Yup. While Sanford’s public career is almost certainly over, I think we can all relate to the messing up part and root for him to recover and make things right for the sake of his family.
Whoa – Chas! As I understand it, one cannot confess in the (Catholic) Church unless one is a member in good standing of that Church. I left nearly 20 years ago; I am unrepentant for doing so; therefore, I don’t believe any priest could receive my confession – any more than he could offer me the Eucharist. Not unless I repented and returned to the Church.
I appreciate your guidance here; loss of faith is a complex thing, however. A few years ago, I tried attending an Episcopalian Church……I even went to “Confession” at one point. How did that go?……….
There was nothing wrong with it. No one hurt or abused me. Their doctrines weren’t morbid in the extreme. No big, fat nun compared me (unfavorably) to Hitler.
But something was missing.
I don’t even know where to go with this. But I had to cease attending that Church after several months, because I felt like a fraud.
There is something about Catholicism that I miss – but I can’t easily articulate it. But like many adults, I live with unfulfilled wishes every day. As Mick Jagger once sang, “You Can’t Always Get What You Want.”
But I appreciate the suggestions.
Does Obama rock, or what?
Senators closer to $1 trillion healthcare bill
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. senators on Thursday moved closer to agreement on a $1 trillion U.S. healthcare overhaul that would extend medical coverage to nearly everyone and without adding to huge budget deficits.
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus and other panel members said that reducing the cost was a significant step toward getting a final package that could gain at least some Republican support.
Baucus said panel members have narrowed talks to options that bring the price tag to about $1 trillion over 10 years, down from an earlier estimate of $1.6 trillion.
“We have options that would enable us to write a $1 trillion bill, fully paid for,” Baucus told reporters after a closed-door meeting with panel members.
Phantom
Posted June 25, 2009 at 3:25 pm | Permalink
Does Obama rock, or what?
Senators closer to $1 trillion healthcare bill
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Phantom,
Perhaps you should remove your head from your arse and take a deep breath of fresh air.
(maybe wipe your nose off as well)
I guess the treaty splitting S. VN into and leaving a 170,000 NVA in S. VN, could be considered not losing, yet. But it didn’t last long.
The leader of S. VN said that was the same as a surrender and refused to agree to it, but Kissinger told him he wanted it wrapped up election was two weeks away. Nixon won in biggest landslide ever.
A down economy and the idiots in Congress, primarily the Democrats of course, are bound and determined to tax the economy and us to the poor house.
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The Cap and Tax Fiction
Democrats off-loading economics to pass climate change bill.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has put cap-and-trade legislation on a forced march through the House, and the bill may get a full vote as early as Friday. It looks as if the Democrats will have to destroy the discipline of economics to get it done.
Despite House Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman’s many payoffs to Members, rural and Blue Dog Democrats remain wary of voting for a bill that will impose crushing costs on their home-district businesses and consumers. The leadership’s solution to this problem is to simply claim the bill defies the laws of economics.
Their gambit got a boost this week, when the Congressional Budget Office did an analysis of what has come to be known as the Waxman-Markey bill. According to the CBO, the climate legislation would cost the average household only $175 a year by 2020. Edward Markey, Mr. Waxman’s co-author, instantly set to crowing that the cost of upending the entire energy economy would be no more than a postage stamp a day for the average household. Amazing. A closer look at the CBO analysis finds that it contains so many caveats as to render it useless.
For starters, the CBO estimate is a one-year snapshot of taxes that will extend to infinity. Under a cap-and-trade system, government sets a cap on the total amount of carbon that can be emitted nationally; companies then buy or sell permits to emit CO2. The cap gets cranked down over time to reduce total carbon emissions.
To get support for his bill, Mr. Waxman was forced to water down the cap in early years to please rural Democrats, and then severely ratchet it up in later years to please liberal Democrats. The CBO’s analysis looks solely at the year 2020, before most of the tough restrictions kick in. As the cap is tightened and companies are stripped of initial opportunities to “offset” their emissions, the price of permits will skyrocket beyond the CBO estimate of $28 per ton of carbon. The corporate costs of buying these expensive permits will be passed to consumers.
The biggest doozy in the CBO analysis was its extraordinary decision to look only at the day-to-day costs of operating a trading program, rather than the wider consequences energy restriction would have on the economy. The CBO acknowledges this in a footnote: “The resource cost does not indicate the potential decrease in gross domestic product (GDP) that could result from the cap.”
The hit to GDP is the real threat in this bill. The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.
When the Heritage Foundation did its analysis of Waxman-Markey, it broadly compared the economy with and without the carbon tax. Under this more comprehensive scenario, it found Waxman-Markey would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill’s restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035.
Note also that the CBO analysis is an average for the country as a whole. It doesn’t take into account the fact that certain regions and populations will be more severely hit than others — manufacturing states more than service states; coal producing states more than states that rely on hydro or natural gas. Low-income Americans, who devote more of their disposable income to energy, have more to lose than high-income families.
Even as Democrats have promised that this cap-and-trade legislation won’t pinch wallets, behind the scenes they’ve acknowledged the energy price tsunami that is coming. During the brief few days in which the bill was debated in the House Energy Committee, Republicans offered three amendments: one to suspend the program if gas hit $5 a gallon; one to suspend the program if electricity prices rose 10% over 2009; and one to suspend the program if unemployment rates hit 15%. Democrats defeated all of them.
The reality is that cost estimates for climate legislation are as unreliable as the models predicting climate change. What comes out of the computer is a function of what politicians type in. A better indicator might be what other countries are already experiencing. Britain’s Taxpayer Alliance estimates the average family there is paying nearly $1,300 a year in green taxes for carbon-cutting programs in effect only a few years.
Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history. Even Democrats can’t repeal that reality.
Try Christ Lutheran on N. Hillside; St. Paul Lutheran on N. Waco; Gloria Dei Lutheran on W. River Blvd (over by Oak Park); Reformation Lutheran on E. 13th; or even a different Episcopal(one with higher Liturgy). If Liturgy isnt all that important, try First Presbyterian, downtown… or Pilgrim Congregational UCC, on East Harry at Fabrique…
I know the pastors at St. Paul Lutheran and Pilgrim Congregatiional UCC personally… Let me know if I can be of help…. Peace and Good Luck to you (+)
Phantom
Posted June 25, 2009 at 3:25 pm | Permalink
Does Obama rock, or what?
Senators closer to $1 trillion healthcare bill
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. senators on Thursday moved closer to agreement on a $1 trillion U.S. healthcare overhaul that would extend medical coverage to nearly everyone and without adding to huge budget deficits.
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B) Or what.
You’re like my 8 year old begging for something and when he gets a “we’ll see” takes it as a Yes.
“….that would extend medical coverage to nearly everyone.”
Well shoot “Nearly everyone” has health care now!
Isn’t it just like politicians to go overboard on everything? The voting public will remember who is responsible for this panicked idiocy.
Republicans may be in power before we know it.
Pelosi will profit from Obama-Waxman-Markety cap-and-trade energy bill
No wonder she is pushing it so hard, and so fast.
EXCLUSIVE: Bill gives billions to save trees in other nations
If a tree falls in Brazil, it will, in fact, be heard in the U.S. – at least if a little-noticed provision in the pending climate-change bill in Congress becomes law.
As part of the far-reaching climate bill, the House is set to vote Friday on a plan to pay companies billions of dollars not to chop down trees around the world, as a way to reduce global warming.
The provision, called “offsets,” has been attacked by both environmentalists and business groups as ineffective and poorly designed. Critics contend it would send scarce federal dollars overseas to plant trees when subsidies are needed at home, while the purported ecological benefits would be difficult to quantify.
The offsets “would be a transfer of wealth overseas,” said William Kovacs, vice president for environmental affairs at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
Does Obama rock, or what?
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or what……..
Let’s see, a population roughly equal to california is un-insured.
So when we release the hounds (so to speak) where are we going to get as many hospitals, nurses and doctors as we have in california…..
and who is going to pay….
What will happen if we don’t pass a healthcare reform bill and over 90% of baby boomers move to Canada or Europe so they can afford healthcare causing the US to lose a large percentage of its tax base and thus become unable to pay its employee payrolls anymore?
What would happen Brian, if Monkeyhawk flew out of your butt?
Same likelihood.
brian_nuevo
Posted June 25, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
What will happen if we don’t pass a healthcare reform bill and over 90% of baby boomers move to Canada or Europe so they can afford healthcare causing the US to lose a large percentage of its tax base and thus become unable to pay its employee payrolls anymore?
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I’ll take Liberals unclear of the concept for $1,000.
What is Medicare Alex?
Former IBM CEO says short-term gains should be taxed at 80%, and 5-year+ gains should be taxed at 0%
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=aFcXAGUYZSVw
Damned pinko-commie-former-IBM CEO!
Somali Islamists Cut Off Hands and Feet of 4 Thieves
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529097,00.html
Veteran Latino-rights advocate charged with voter fraud
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/veteran-latinorights-advocate-charged-with-voter-fraud.html
“outlander
Posted June 25, 2009 at 4:07 pm | Permalink
What would happen Brian, if Monkeyhawk flew out of your butt?
Same likelihood.”
Yeah, I know.
After reading biased1’s post I thought it was ‘Post Random, Unlikely-to-happen Sh&t Day’
Michael Jackson is dead.
Michael Jackson is dead.
Anti,
Jink, can’t talk until someone posts the same word at the same time.
Report: Michael Jackson rushed to hospital after heart attack
A Jackson family member, who was not identified, told TMZ the singer was in “really bad shape.” Jackson’s father, Joe Jackson, was in Las Vegas but told TMZ his son was “not doing well.”
Michael’s in “Really bad shape”…. and “Not doing well”.
Ya, so what about this heart attack?
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12689546
After the thriller is gone.
That might be a pre-mature post… CNN says they have no information on any death yet….
ABC is not able to confirm…
• SolDevVB
Posted June 25, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Permalink
THE ARCTIC REMAINS ICY COLD
The average arctic temperature is still not above 32F–this the latest date in fifty years of record keeping that this has happened. Usually it is beginning to level off now and if it does so, it will stay near freezing on average in the arctic leading to still less melting than last summer which saw a 9% increase in arctic ice than in 2007.
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June 25, 2009 weather report for
PEVEK, RUSSIA
Weather report as of 998 minutes ago (05:00 UTC):
The wind was blowing at a speed of 7 meters per second (15.7 miles per hour) from Northwest in Pevek, Russia. The temperature was 0 degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit). Air pressure was 1,010 hPa (29.83 inHg). Relative humidity was 100.0%. There were overcast at a height of 366 meters (1200 feet). The visibility was >11.3 kilometers (>7 miles). Current weather is Light Snow .
June 25, 2009 weather report for
ALERT, NUNAVUT, CANADA
Weather report as of 159 minutes ago (19:00 UTC):
The wind was calm in Alert, Canada. The temperature was -3 degrees Celsius (27 degrees Fahrenheit). Air pressure was 1,017 hPa (30.04 inHg). Relative humidity was 92.8%. There were scattered clouds at a height of 6096 meters (20000 feet). The visibility was 0.4 kilometers (0.3 miles). Current weather is Moderate Freezing Fog .
June 25, 2009 weather report for
CLYDE RIVER, NUNAVUT, CANADA
Weather report as of 43 minutes ago (21:00 UTC):
The wind was blowing at a speed of 5.7 meters per second (12.7 miles per hour) from North/Northwest in Clyde River, Canada. The temperature was 1 degrees Celsius (34 degrees Fahrenheit). Air pressure was 1,011 hPa (29.86 inHg). Relative humidity was 100.0%. There were overcast at a height of 457 meters (1500 feet). The visibility was 1.2 kilometers (0.8 miles). Current weather is Light Drizzle Snow Grains Moderate Mist .
June 25, 2009 weather report for
BARROW, ALASKA, USA
Weather report as of 48 minutes ago (20:53 UTC):
The wind was blowing at a speed of 10.3 meters per second (23.0 miles per hour), with gusts to 13.4 meters per second (29.9 miles per hour), from East in Barrow, Alaska. The temperature was 1 degrees Celsius (34 degrees Fahrenheit). Air pressure was 1,008 hPa (29.78 inHg). Relative humidity was 86.5%. There were overcast at a height of 91 meters (300 feet). The visibility was 4.8 kilometers (3.0 miles). Current weather is Moderate Mist
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• brian_nuevo
Posted June 25, 2009 at 4:38 pm | Permalink
um….you folks know you are posting on the wrong day, right?
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brian, um.. you know you were reading on the wrong day, right?
Imposing Higher Costs on Individuals and Families
Increased enrollment in a new public plan would likely result in higher premiums for those with private insurance.
Historically, public programs–specifically Medicare and Medicaid–have reimbursed providers at levels below the costs of their services. For example, in 2003, on average, Medicare paid hospitals only 95 percent of the cost of providing services, while Medicaid paid hospitals only 89 percent of the cost of providing services.[12] These below-cost payments in public programs are at least in part offset by above-cost reimbursements to providers by private payers–as evidenced by hospital reimbursements to the tune of 122 percent of costs in 2003.[13] This cost-shift, in turn, inflates private health insurance premiums for individuals and families.[14]
The cost-shift dynamic plays a prominent role in the health care sector. A study by the actuarial firm Milliman calculated that public programs currently shift $88.8 billion in costs onto private payers per year, increasing the typical American family’s annual private health insurance premium by $1,512, or 10.6 percent.[15] Moreover, Lewin speculates that a new public plan could increase the annual cost-shift per privately insured by as much as $526, which will only serve to further perpetuate the crowd-out of private insurance.[16]
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2482.cfm
Be careful what you ask for
“donndublin
Posted June 25, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
….brian, um.. you know you were reading on the wrong day, right?”
LMAO!
Are you not aware that there is a “Recent Comments” section on the left that floats on every WeBlog page so you can see who made posts in which thread recently?
For Sale:
Never Never Never Neverland.
Cheap.
y 4 Atlanta Tea Party Cancelled
American Thinker ^ | June 23, 2009 | Jason Lee
Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:49:12 PM by fiodora
With as many as 20,000 people in attendance, the Atlanta Tea Party on April 15 was one of the largest and most successful Tea Parties in the country. The Atlanta Tea Party on July 4, 2009 had been expected to be just as large. Unfortunately, plans have changed. Simon Property Group has forced the cancellation of the Atlanta Tea Party.
The Atlanta Tea Party was forced to cancel its Independence Day celebration in Gwinnett, after losing its location due to the objection of Gwinnett Place Mall (a Simon company.) The Tea Party had been scheduled to take place in the parking lot of the old Macy’s building at Gwinnett Place since March.
“It is unfortunate the event had to be canceled,” said Julianne Thompson, event co-organizer. She continued, “The old Macy’s building is on private property, and not owned by Simon Malls, however the mall manager asked the property owner and I to come in the office on Thursday of this week [June 18], and told us Simon does not want political events on its property. They were also concerned about the fact we were using the term ‘protest.’ Although the event was on private property, the mall was able to assert authority on the matter due to reciprocal property easement agreements.”
Event Co-Chair Debbie Dooley stated, “Our Atlanta Tea Party team tried for the next day and a half to find an alternative location large enough for the event, and with the proper layout for our vendors, children’s activities, and fireworks show, but we could not find anything suitable that would have been available on July 4th.
With just a few days left until the Fourth of July Tea Parties begin, this is very unfortunate timing! One wonders why Simon Property Group waited until now to interfere.
Liberal Atlanta paper’s snarky reaction.
Following the money, connecting the dots:
1. Gwinnett Place Mall shut down the Atlanta Tea Party. 2. Simon Property Group owns Gwinnett Place Mall. 3. Melvin Simon (a Forbes 400 billionaire) is Co-chairman of Simon Property Group, Inc. 4. Melvin Simon has provided large political contributions to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Al Franken, John Edwards, the DNC and many other Democrats and Democrat organizations. 5. Melvin Simon was a major contributor to Barack Obama inaugural committee and has given at least $1 million to the William J. Clinton foundation. 6. Melvin’s wife, Bren, personally donated almost $100,000 to various political candidates, was a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid, and contributed to President Obama’s inaugural committee.
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Melvin Simon must be a supporter of the current Iranian government.
Let’s boycott his malls.
brian,
Yes I am aware. We were just trying to keep the discussion of GW on yesterday’s thread because of all the complaints.
You asked for it.
Guess they thought a mass teabagging would be bad pr.
“donndublin
Posted June 25, 2009 at 5:07 pm | Permalink
…You asked for it.”
LOL! I sure did didn’t I?
Glad you straightened that all out.
(D.A.)
Yes – it’s official – The erstwhile “King of Pop” is dead.
I’ll exercise some restraint and refrain from crude inuendos. I’ve asked everyone to avoid calling a recently-assassinated physician cruel names – so I’ll need to follow suit.
Then again, I didn’t know M.J. There have been some very unfortunate aspects to his life during the past 20 years. Dr. Tiller had no such pathologies.
That’s probably why, late in the afternoon of May 31, 2009, a Kinko’s employee rushed to my side, believing I was having a heart attack……
That was a terrible day – for all of us.
“Simon Property Group owns Gwinnett Place Mall. 3. Melvin Simon (a Forbes 400 billionaire) is Co-chairman of Simon Property Group, Inc.”
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Wait a minute. I thought that the only greedy rich bas tards were Republicans. Say it ain’t so!
“BlueJay
Posted June 25, 2009 at 5:09 pm | Permalink
Guess they thought a mass teabagging would be bad pr.”
At least it is when it occurs at the mall. Last time I tried that at Towne East… well… let’s just say there was trouble.
Technically, if Michael Jackson had cardiac arrest, he was clinically dead.
Officially, a physician has to pronounce death.
I’m betting if Obama had been president last year, and implemented socialized medicine – Michael Jackson would have lived.
Teabagging is a lib pastime in mall bathrooms.
Parents don’t let your little boys go into the mall restrooms alone. NAMBL member brian has a recruiting station there.
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brian_nuevo
Posted June 25, 2009 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
“BlueJay
Posted June 25, 2009 at 5:09 pm | Permalink
Guess they thought a mass teabagging would be bad pr.”
At least it is when it occurs at the mall. Last time I tried that at Towne East… well… let’s just say there was trouble.
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BJ, with a nic like that I’m sure brian would love to “meet up” with you.
“We have options that would enable us to write a $1 trillion bill [health care bill], fully paid for,” Baucus told reporters after a closed-door meeting with panel members.
Uh-huh. As likely, as, uh, well . . . . as likely as what was posted above – Monkeyhawk flying out of your a**. In other words, about the same likelyhood as 95% of Americans getting a tax cut.
Don’t hold your breath.
LA Times is now confirming the story….
My nic is BlueJay Don.
Raid Austin Powers wardrobe much?
Dweeb.
Words of wisdom about our energy bill proposals from Rush.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_062509/content/01125113.guest.html
According to the Los Angeles Times, Michael Jackson was pronounced dead at 3:15 PDT.
BJ, Go to Towne East much?
Actually “don” from your pic, you look like the type that hangs around rest rooms.
Is Jackson the next to bite it?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/25/entertainment/main5114139.shtml?tag=stack&tag=breakingnews
From the pic I saw of you at the protest near Harry and Edgemoor, I’d say you were there to “meet up” with the little boys.
Nice try.
Confirmed. Jackson is gone.
CNN confirms Michael Jackson dead at 6:25 p.m.
Jackson pronounced dead at 2:26 PDT
I never was much of a fan.
The first time I saw the “Thriller” video, I was sure Jackson was a woman.
I know he was famous and all. But this wall to wall coverage is a bit ridiculous. Hour 2 and Michael Jackson is still dead!
Sure more coverage than Farra Fawcett
Regarding MJ, great entertainer. I suppose, based on the number of records he sold and concert tickets, etc.
Most signs point to him being a pedophile as well.
I won’t shed a tear.
Hmmmm you mean signs like being acquitted of all charges???
“Hmmmm you mean signs like being acquitted of all charges???”
Hmmm you mean like paying off the accuser?
BTW, he was not acquitted of the this charge.
I was thinking more of the millions he paid in hush money to settle other cases like that one out of court.
But I suppose you think OJ is innocent as well.
Jackson paid off one case… Acquitted on the other… the first one never went to trial…
What does OJ have to do with Jackson?? That is a pure red herring statement….
Are you that stupid?
“the first one never went to trial…”
Because he paid the accuser not to testify.
OK< Kia, what is your supposed connection between the Jackson case, and the OJ case??
I’ll see if I can dumb it down for you Charles.
Both used fame and fortune to win cases in their favor against evidence that would have convicted persons of less stature and fortune.
That’s the last I’ll post on this topic.
Gee, I HOPE that is the last you will post on it… That is just plain crazy… Two totally different cases… Two totally different crimes… and yet you tie them together with MONEY??? LOL…. what an idiot!
I smell a hint of racism in your statement, as well…
FYI — i am NOT a fan of Jackson… The jury found him not guilty… the Justice system rendered its verdict… Even so, I think his actions with children is highly suspect, even if he never TOUCHED a kid!! His behaviors were absurd!!
You are officially re+arded and if not that in the need of major mental help! LOL what a f-ing joke!
Kia, if you were as smart as you think you are, you could have graduated kindergrten magna cum louder!! FUGG off idiot… I’m not impressed by your anti-justice bigotry… I hope nobody else is either… What a poor excuse for an American…
Chas
Posted June 25, 2009 at 7:45 pm | Permalink
I smell a hint of racism in your statement, as well…
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Racism?
I think two extremely wealthy men bought themselves “reasonable doubt”. I’d have thought that view would be a virtue with a bed wetting liberal like yourself.
I always thought he sucked after five.
Chas
Posted June 25, 2009 at 7:56 pm | Permalink
Kia, if you were as smart as you think you are, you could have graduated kindergrten magna cum louder!! FUGG off idiot… I’m not impressed by your anti-justice bigotry… I hope nobody else is either… What a poor excuse for an American…
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So your assertion is that John Q. Public using a public defender would have received the same “justice” (in the exact same cases with the exact same evidence) Simpson and Jackson did?
Naive is the nicest thing you can be called if that’s the case.
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Mr_Kia
Posted June 25, 2009 at 7:57 pm | Permalink
Racism?
I think two extremely wealthy men bought themselves “reasonable doubt”. I’d have thought that view would be a virtue with a bed wetting liberal like yourself.
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That’s pretty accurate imo opinion as well too.
The average citizen couldn’t afford such ‘lawyering’ and would have gotten hammered.
Well I’m sad he died. I really loved being of the Thriller era, and I owned that album. In vinyl.
I am also sad that Farrah Fawcett died.
So, rich guys have lawyers that are smarter than the prosecuters, and can just shake a magic wand, and determine a verdict??
Is that basically your point??
Some might even say it’s a day of “Angels and Demons” (apologies to Daniel Brown)
that the most important lesson to learn from the Viet Nam conflict is:
That this country should never fight a stalling war, no war where the goal is not to win but to stall the enemy from winning. It is a disservice to all those who wear the uniform and put their lives on the line for this country.
A stalling war belittles those who serve and mocks their sacrifice.
Well…
Jackson was a little …creepy. But I don’t think he was a creep. We’re talking about a person who never had anything close to a normal life. His former publicist put it this way:
He could walk into a room and announce that the world rotated on the back of a giant turtle….
and everyone in the room would opine that they liked turtles. A person like that doesn’t HAVE any boundaries, and so it is probably hard for them to understand them.
Chas do you have any knowledge of trial law beyond Matlock re-runs?
I don’t have the time nor the inclination to go into the intricacy’s with you but it’s beyond a standard Defense Attorney vs. a Government Prosecutor.
Chas’s twisted little ganglia never fail to surprise me with his misfires.
soldevvb posted June 25, 2009 at 9:33 am | Permalink
From an email…
. . .
According to a NASA study, “the sun, . . .
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That’s not according to a NASA study.
That’s from a virtual office in Orlando FL.
Coldest Weather in 100 Years to Strike by 2012
Today, for the first time in over two years, the Director of the Space and Science Research Center (SSRC) in Orlando, Florida, has issued a new prediction of the next climate change intended to emphasize the imminent ill-effects of this new climate period in an important warning to the American people and their leadership in Washington.
According to Center Director John Casey, “The climate change predictions which I started to pass out to our government and media in early 2007 based upon the ‘RC Theory’ have now come to pass, exactly as forecast. Global warming has ended, conclusively, as predicted. The Earth’s average temperature has begun its steep decline within the time frame I said it would. And last but not least, the Sun has entered a state of ‘hibernation’ when I said it would.
This new solar period is one of the most amazing events in the history of science. During solar hibernations, the Sun makes significant reductions in output which always, always, brings long cold climates to the Earth. Unbelievably, this historic phenomena is still largely and intentionally unreported by the media and our leaders and therefore unknown by the American people. The new cold climate will usher in global travail that will be amplified specifically because of the catastrophic climate change policies of the administration of President Barack Obama that will leave most citizens unprepared.”
As to when the ill-effects of the new cold climate will be felt, Director Casey added, “The most frequent question I am asked is how soon will it get cold and just how cold? The purpose of this press release is to give the people an answer to that fundamental question in a more refined schedule to plan their adaptation to the next climate change.
It is now possible to make an estimate of the timing of the descent into the next cold climate depths based upon the past behavior of the these solar cycles that have ruled the Earth for at least the last 1,200 years. The forecast of these major cold eras and solar hibernations associated with these cycles shows them to be accurate to over 90% using the RC Theory. The good news is that the SSRC will do what ever it can to get this information out even though our own government will not.”
SOURCE
Space and Science Research Center
4700 Millenia Blvd. Ste. 175
Orlando, FL 32839
Tel: 407-835-3635 Fax: 407-210-3901
http://www.spaceandscience.net
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But,. . .but,. . .
The ‘virtual office’ appears to have an address!
kool-aid drinker
Signs of the Fairness Doctrine. Soon Coming to Amerika!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529090,00.html
China Blocks Google to Stifle Online Dissent Ahead of Nation’s 60th Anniversary
Da mn Obama is Tough! Will Obama apologize to Ahmadinejad?
First Obama dis-invites Iran to his Hotdog 4th of July BBQ. Then Ahmadinejad said he won’t be friends with Obama!
Doesn’t Obama know how to negotiate with terrorists properly?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529022,00.html
Ahmadinejad Tells Obama Not to Interfere in Iran, Seeks Public Apology
Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on President Obama on Thursday not to interfere in Iranian affairs after the U.S. president said he was “appalled and outraged” by post-election violence, a news agency reported.
Another Warning to Obama from North Korea!
Will Obama keep us safe?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529006,00.html
SEOUL, South Korea — Punching their fists into the air and shouting “Let’s crush them!” some 100,000 North Koreans packed Pyongyang’s main square Thursday for an anti-U.S. rally as the communist regime promised a “fire shower of nuclear retaliation” for any American-led attack.
Such a shame, the Child Molester MJ is dead.
Too Effing Bad.
MJ couldn’t keep up with 12 year olds anymore.
Now Farrah Fawcet’s death, THAT is a big loss.
May she rest in peace.
heh HEH!
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h135/frothsof/d993285e11c5829427544100ddc940cf.gif
“HLP” believes that the world is only 8,000 years old.
His posts are not to be taken seriously.
It is a great shame for my generation that “We are the World” succumbed to “Greed is good!”
We are paying for that failure now. Let our kids be mindful of that going forward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM
BJ posts on the WE Blog from 8 am to 11 pm.
His inability to have a life outside of the blog should be a great warning to anyone who might read his posts.
Hurtful!
You’ve cut me to the quick, scooter!
The earth may be a little older than 8,000 years, I’ve believed it for least 50 years now!
Well “Jim” I think you had better check out “ANTI”, “American way”, “Regular” and Solie for all day posting.
How many nics do you post under here “Jim”?
The posting record is pretty clear.
BJ, who claims not to be able to make enough money to buy his son health insurance, is bloggin at least 12 hours a day on the WE Blog.
Nobody comes close to that. Not even the phony preacher.
Keep bloggin away you sick perverted bas turd.
Why has no one noticed today’s leading headlines –
Supreme Court Rules Strip Search of Child Illegal
Pop Legend Michael Jackson Dead at 50
Tomorrow’s front page could be a collectors’ item.
“The posting record is pretty clear.”
Well no it really isn’t.
IF I have ever met you “Jim”, you clearly are afraid to admit it.
That’s the thing with most con nics here. Ya gotta work to put a face to them as I did to “donnduublin” and continue to do. Absent that verification?
They’re just a fart in the wind.
What do ya say “Jim”?
Can you pass the Hank Price (HLP) test here?
Wanna do lunch?
SOURCE
Space and Science Research Center
4700 Millenia Blvd. Ste. 175
Orlando, FL 32839
. . .
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But,. . .but,. . .
The ‘virtual office’ appears to have an address!
kool-aid drinker
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Yes Hank, you ex-Navy “liason”(sic) nitwit. . . . . they have an “office”.
http://www.intelligentoffice.com/locations/florida/orlando/orlando-(millenia).aspx
Wanna see what is probably more greenhouse gasses, in one fell swoop, than man has produced in all of human history?
Here it is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195215/Stunning-pictures-hole-clouds-astronauts-witness-volcano-eruption-International-Space-Station.html
God’s creation is magnificant, isn’t it? And we have the audacity to think we know what we’re doing . . . .
And I once imagined that GMC could bring a rational voice to the right…
He’s just another of the recently born.
DavidB,
Carpet Bomb civilians again? We never did that a first time.
How many other left wing liberal Kool-Aid drink arguments have you been brainwashed with?
“Nathaniel” gives us –
“Carpet Bomb civilians again? We never did that a first time.”
And the universe is 8,000 years old.
And Jesus is coming again.
(Although you’ll probably shoot him, boy, if you suspect that dirty bearded hippie may have shot your dog.)
GMC70 posted June 26, 2009 at 12:09 am
Wanna see what is probably more greenhouse gasses, in one fell swoop, than man has produced in all of human history?
Here it is:
[link]
God’s creation is magnificant, isn’t it? And we have the audacity to think we know what we’re doing . . . .
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Humans have emitted, and are emitting much more CO2 per year than volcanoes.
Cosmos,
If you claim that humans are emitting “much more” CO2 than vlocanoes then you must know:
1. How much CO2 volcanoes emit?
2. How much CO2 man emits?
Nathaniel,
Yes, that is correct — science is able to estimate how much CO2 volcanoes emit, and how much CO2 humans emit.
There are more climate changing gases to volcanoes than just co2.
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cosmos_originally
Posted June 26, 2009 at 9:32 am | Permalink
Nathaniel,
Yes, that is correct — science is able to estimate how much CO2 volcanoes emit, and how much CO2 humans emit.
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Sulfur dioxide is capable of instantly affecting climate. The 1783 incident of Iceland exploding volcanic fissures is a prime example. After erupting, sulfur dioxide and volcanic particles change the climate of North America, Central America and Europe for several decades. It may have caused up to 10,000 deaths in England and is responsible for starvation in Egypt due to crop failures.
co2 is not the only gas in town numb nuts.
If you claim that humans are emitting “much more” CO2 than vlocanoes then you must know:
1. How much CO2 volcanoes emit?
2. How much CO2 man emits?
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Nathaniel,
Yes, that is correct — science is able to estimate how much CO2 volcanoes emit, and how much CO2 humans emit.
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But cosmo doens’t have a clue.
Hey cosmo, your activist kook hero hansen get sprung from the pokie yet?
Looks like the EPA isn’t as skilled at suppressing science as the IPCC.
http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/Endangerment%20Comments%206-23-09.pdf
Cosmos,
Ok, so what are the numbers then?
Nathaniel,
Ask donndublin to find the numbers for you, if you don’t know how to find them yourself.
Cosmos,
Ah, I see.
Well, in response to your questions about my proof of a counter theory…
If you don’t know, find it yourself!
LOL
Nathaniel,
Yes, you seem to consider accurately informing yourself a joke, and a laughing matter.
And if you want some numbers re volcanoes, search the archives — I have posted them before.
Cosmos,
Yes, you seem to consider accurately informing yourself a joke, and a laughing matter.
And if you want answers, search the archives — I have posted them before.
cosmo still can’t back up her claims. Anyone shocked?
It’s easy to see how Republcians will get back in power. All they have to do is point out the irresponsibility of the spending by The Democrats and The Obama’s administration. Just like the old days. Spending like Democrats.
The important thing is to remember that it can be undone.
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House Democrats win key test vote on climate bill
Jun 26 12:03 PM US/Eastern
By H. JOSEF HEBERT and DINA CAPPIELLO
Associated Press Writers
Ad Slams 1,092-Page ‘Cap and Trade’ Legislation That Would Create $846B in Higher Taxes
WASHINGTON (AP) – House Democrats narrowly won a key test vote Friday on sweeping legislation to combat global warming and usher in a new era of cleaner energy. Republicans said the bill included “the largest tax increase in American history.”
The vote was 217-205 to advance the White House-backed legislation to the floor, and 30 Democrats defected, a reflection of the controversy the bill sparked.
The legislation would impose limits for the first time on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas pollution from power plants, factories and refineries. It also would force a shift from coal and other fossil fuels to renewable and more efficient forms of energy. Supporters and opponents agreed the result would be higher energy costs, but disagreed widely on the impact on consumers.
President Barack Obama has made the measure a top priority of his first year in office. The president, along with White House aides and House Democratic leaders, scrambled for the votes to assure passage. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has pledged to get the legislation passed before lawmakers leave on their July 4 vacation.
The Senate has yet to act on the measure, and a major struggle is expected.
In the House, the bill’s fate depended on the decisions of a few dozen fence-sitting Democrats, mainly conservatives and moderates from contested districts who feared the political ramifications of siding with the White House and their leadership on the measure.
Democrats left little or nothing to chance. Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., confirmed by the Senate on Thursday to an administration post, put off her resignation from Congress until after the final vote on the climate change bill.
“The bill contains provisions to protect consumers, keep costs low, help sensitive industries transition to a clean energy economy and promote domestic emission reduction efforts,” the White House in a statement of support for the legislation.
Republicans saw it differently.
This “amounts to the largest tax increase in American history under the guise of climate change,” said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind.
While the bill would impose a “cap-and-trade” system that would force higher energy costs, Republicans for weeks have branded it an energy tax on every American.
But Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass., said there was a “moral imperative to be good stewards of the earth.”
The legislation, totaling about 1,200 pages, would require the U.S. to reduce carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020 and about 80 percent by the next century.
U.S. carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are rising at about 1 percent a year and are predicted to continue increasing without mandatory caps.
Under the bill, the government would limit heat-trapping pollution from factories, refineries and power plants. It would distribute pollution allowances that could be bought and sold, depending on whether a facility exceeds the cap or makes greater pollution cuts than are required.
Obama on Thursday called it “a vote of historic proportions … that will open the door to a clean energy economy” and green jobs. “It will create millions of new jobs,” Pelosi insisted.
Both Obama and Pelosi preferred to focus on the economic issues rather than on what environmentalists view as the urgency of reducing carbon emissions blamed for global warming.
The Rust Belt coal-state Democrats who have been sitting on the fence worry about how to explain their vote for higher energy prices to people back home—and how the vote might play out in elections next year.
Republicans have been quick to exploit those concerns.
“Democratic leaders are poised to march many moderate Democrats over a cliff … by forcing them to vote for a national energy tax that is unpopular throughout the heartland,” Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said.
There was widespread agreement that under this cap-and-trade system, the cost of energy would almost certainly increase. But Democrats argued that much of the impact on taxpayers would be offset by other provisions in the bill. Low-income consumers would qualify for credits and rebates to cushion the impact on their energy bills.
Two reports issued this week—one from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and the other from the Environmental Protection Agency—seemed to support that argument.
The CBO analysis estimated that the bill would cost an average household $175 a year; the EPA put it at between $80 and $110 a year.
Republicans questioned the validity of the CBO study and noted that even that analysis showed actual energy production costs increasing $770 per household. Industry groups have cited other studies showing much higher cost to the economy and to individuals.