Open thread 6/21

fathersday

120 Comments

  1. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Your Sunday Morning cartoon –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1bHvs2zrN4

  2. JWink
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Well, the sun is up after the shortest night of the year, about 9 hours. Today, Sunday, June 21st, is officially summer solstice day although the official moment the sun reached 23.5 degrees above the equator was just after midnight. So basically yesterday and today are about equal in length, about 15 hours of sunlight, as the longest days of the year. Even out near the Ninnescah River valley where you live HLP.

  3. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Your Sunday Morning hymn –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK8ydcnaVnw

  4. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 6:35 am | Permalink

    Your Sunday Morning sermon –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_DQUAuNUvw

  5. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    Defenders of freedom tend to be the ones like Neda who wear shirt and tennis shoes, not the cowardly thugs in body armor and assault rifles.

    http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/iranian-protester-on-911-the-world-said-we-were-all-americans-tonight-we-are-all-iranians/

  6. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgurNJLivG0&feature=player_embedded

    (I think it would have been great to share an apartment with J.S. Bach because after this you could probably pick up chicks by saying, “Hey, my roommate wrote that!”)

  7. HLP
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Sunday, June 21, 2009

    Washington update

    By Myron Ebell

    Update on House Energy Rationing Bill

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Beverly Hills) are making mighty efforts to get the Waxman-Markey energy-rationing bill to the House floor before the Fourth of July recess, which is scheduled to begin on 26th June. The main obstacle to passage appears to be a group of moderate Democrats centered in the Agriculture Committee and led by Collin Peterson (D-Minn.), the Committee’s Chairman. Peterson claimed to have forty-five votes as he started horse trading with Pelosi and Waxman. I expect that the Democratic leadership will come up with enough votes to pass H. R. 2454 narrowly and with only a handful of Republican votes. They are rushing because they realize that the bill could implode at any time. Should you care to tell your Representative whether to vote Yes or No on H. R. 2454, the Capitol switchboard number is (202) 225-3121. Live operators will connect you to your Member even if you don’t know his name if you give your zip code.

    Republicans Introduce a Pro-energy Bill

    House Republicans on Wednesday unveiled the latest version of their pro-energy bill, the American Energy Act. The bill would increase domestic energy production, particularly oil and gas on federal lands and offshore areas, and includes no rationing provisions. This could be the Republican substitute amendment when Waxman-Markey comes to the floor. It would draw a very clear distinction between Republicans, who think we need to increase access to energy, and Democrats, who think we need to force people to pay much more and use much less energy.

    Boxer Wants Energy Rationing Bill by August

    Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee, announced on Thursday that she plans to mark up the Senate version of Waxman-Markey in her committee before the August recess. Right now, there are probably enough votes to move the bill out of committee, but support in the full Senate looks far short of the 60 necessary to invoke cloture and proceed to a final vote. It’s not even clear to me that generic cap-and-trade legislation has majority support in the Senate.

    California Scheming

    California, the world leader in energy rationing (after North Korea, Cuba, etc.), now looks likely to go bankrupt by the end of July. Californians Pelosi, Waxman, and Boxer are actively promoting at the federal level the policies that are contributing to the decline of the once-Golden State.

  8. satatom
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    blah blah blah

  9. satatom
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Happy Father’s Day!

    Too bad the editor picked Robert Young (an alcoholic) for the banner.

  10. BlueJay
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    “Republicans, who think we need to increase access to energy, and Democrats, who think we need to force people to pay much more and use much less energy.”

    In other words, Republicans are in favor of thoughtless waste and Democrats are in favor of thoughtful use of the Earth’s resources.

  11. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    In other words the Democrats would have us go back to the stone age and Republicans would have us utilize the technology which has pushed civilization forward.

  12. BlueJay
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    THIS is a perfect illustration of why no thoughtful person could continue to be a conservative.

    Because the thing they are most conservative of all with is thought. They absolutely will NOT be made to think or consider or contemplate the use of the Earth.

    BlueJay sings…

    They wanna talk about me. They wanna talk about I. They wanna talk about number one oh my me my.

  13. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    “BlueJay” notes –

    “They wanna talk about number one oh my me my.”

    Actually, most of we get from “Nathaniel” qualifies as “Number 2.”

  14. BlueJay
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    “Republicans would have us utilize the technology which has pushed civilization forward.”

    “Forward” and “Republican” do not belong in the same sentence. By their very nature, Republicans are about staying in place and hearkening back.

  15. American_Way
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    A memory of dad. Every space launch from Mercury, Gemini, through Apollo, dad would get the family up early and line us boys up on the old couch to watch it. Hours of delays, cancellations, for a brief moment of black and white smoke – with that bright spot the old camera’s or TV’s couldn’t quite handle where the flame was.

    Dad knew it was history, whether us little ones appreciated it or not at the time.

    http://wechoosethemoon.org/

  16. Regular
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    On this date, Jun 21st, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas

    High: 105 °F (1936)
    Low: 52 °F (1902)

  17. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Today’s theme songs –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FeyAGn6690

  18. XXX
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    On the eve of Father’s Day, the First Father showed how it’s done, taking his daughters Malia and Sasha for some frozen treats at The Dairy Godmother, a boutique custard parlor in Alexandria.

    President Obama and his girls motorcaded over to Alexandria from the White House this afternoon.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/06/20/obama_takes_the_girls_for_froz.html?wprss=44?hpid=sec-politics
    ________________________

    Oh-My-GOD!!!!

    We’ve got two wars going on, N. Korea is threatening to get us with their A – Tomic Bombs, Iran is is in chaos, and the economy is going to he11, and Obama is going out for custard?!?!? I wonder what that cost the taxpayers?

    (Republican impersonation off)

  19. Regular
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    XXX, glad to see the President enjoying the company of his daughters and vice versa. Family outings should be encouraged and I have not complaints about O’Bama’s adventure.

  20. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    XXX,

    I see you are still out trying to prove how you are not a liberal.

    Keep it up, you are doing a miserable job so far.

  21. American_Way
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    damn straight XXX!

    Thanks for saving me the trouble.

    Besides your post demonstrates how all messed up democrats got things. Fathers Day the girls should be giving to Dad – not taking his money.

  22. American_Way
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    And just like the gubermint, taking our hard earned money and using it on extravagant wasteful things.

  23. Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    New phony buzz-word alert: “Energy rationing,” designed to feed off the phony “medical care rationing meme.” “Pro-Energy”

    LOL! “Pro-energy??” Is this ridiculous and divisive term supposed to imply that those favoring safer and more efficient use of our power sources are “Anti-Energy?”

    The only rationing that occurs is when old technology, like incandescent bulbs that waste 90% of input as heat, overload existing power systems.

    If the Contras would spend as much time working on solving our energy problems as they did making up new words, we might be ahead of the game.

    “stone age” heeheehee, yeah, that’s it….

  24. Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:48 am | Permalink
    damn straight XXX!

    Thanks for saving me the trouble.

    Besides your post demonstrates how all messed up democrats got things. Fathers Day the girls should be giving to Dad – not taking his money.
    =============================================

    Guess you missed an important line in XXXs’ post… It was the last line, IIRC

  25. satatom
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    ne blogger posted that Neda was protesting with her father in Tehran when pro-government Basiji militia opened fire and shot her in the heart.

    “The final moments of her tender young life leaked into the pavement of Karegeh Street today, captured by cell phone cameras,” the unnamed blogger posted on Newsvine.com. “And not long after, took on new life, flickering across computer screens around the world on YouTube, and even CNN.” iReport.com

    Several of the WEBloggers (attn Nathaniel) would have pulled the trigger that fired the gun that killer her because the government ordered it.

    Pro Life….yeah right.

  26. satatom
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    killer = killed

  27. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Satatom,

    Once again, you seek to convolute a term which is used to merely outline a stance in regards to Abortion.

    I could just as easily say you are not Pro-Choice because you do not support Choice in a litany of subjects having nothing to do with abortion.

    And I would never follow an unlawful order. It is not lawful for my command to order me to shoot innocent unarmed civilians, nevermind my own citizenry.

  28. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel posted June 21, 2009 at 10:15 am

    In other words the Democrats would have us go back to the stone age and Republicans would have us utilize the technology which has pushed civilization forward.
    ———————
    LOL!

    Nathaniel believes that new energy efficiency technology, micro-turbines, solar PV, active and passive solar, wind farms etc = “the stone age”.

    And centralized coal plants, incandescent bulbs, gas-guzzling SUV’s, etc = “the technology which has pushed civilization forward”.

    That’s very odd thinking(sic) from someone who got(?) a tax-payer funded EE college education.

  29. parkay
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    My father in World War II, and our ancestors before him in the American Revolution, the Civil War, and World War I, served in our military forces to keep the USofA free.
    I will not sit silently by while our freedom is bargained and sold and appeased away by a glib Marxist president.
    My father would tell you, recalling the days when ten thousand and more of our best American troops would give their blood before breakfast for family and country, that freedom is not free, that such a price beyond any measure is not to be cheapened by anyone.

  30. Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Stone tools pushed civilization forward… but we came up with some better…

  31. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Yeah DavidB,

    But did we stop using stone tools and limit their use hoping that we developed Bronze/Iron/Steel or something better?

    Nope.

  32. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Two in Custody After Fatal Shooting at New Mexico Denny’s

    Sunday, June 21, 2009
    ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Two suspects have been jailed on suspicion of murder after a restaurant employee was fatally shot during a robbery at a packed Denny’s Restaurant, police said.

    The names of suspects, who were booked Saturday night, were not immediately released.

    Witnesses said as many as four masked men armed with rifles and handguns rushed into the northwest Albuquerque Denny’s restaurant around 9:30 a.m. Saturday and demanded money. As many as 100 people reportedly were in the restaurant at the time.

    The victim was a female employee. Witnesses told police she was shot after she ran to the back of the restaurant. Her identity was not immediately released.

    One restaurant employee told police a manager was forced to open the cash register and the robbers took an undetermined amount of cash before fleeing.

    Police, who were in the area because of a recent string of robberies, arrived at the scene within minutes of the robbery and took one suspect into custody while another was arrested after a getaway car was followed to a nearby trailer park.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527962,00.html

    Some say they never go anywhere where they need to carry a gun. Do you ever go to Denny’s?

  33. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    I see you are still resorting to your strawman argument tactics again.

  34. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/05/20000-carrying-by-2010/#comment-581902

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted May 28, 2009 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    I don’t know where you guys go — or why — where you’re to scared to go there unless you’ve got a gun handy. I know some of those places, I think, so I don’t go there? I don’t need to score crystal meth at 3 in the morning and I’m not in the market for Hillbilly Heroin.

    I don’t have any “Dirty Harry” fantasies about munching a hotdog and wiping out a gang of dark-skinned thugs with my .44 Magnum.

    “So do ya feel lucky, punk?”

    Nah.
    I just live my life prudently.

    —————————————————
    No, you just wear rose colored glasses and HOPE nothing ever happens to you or your family and friends.

  35. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    And according to BlueJay, if only that waitress had been more “likeable” she wouldn’t have been shot…

  36. BlueJay
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel you do a better job of speaking for yourself before you presume to speak for me.

    Boy.

  37. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:33 am | Permalink
    A memory of dad. Every space launch from Mercury, Gemini, through Apollo, dad would get the family up early and line us boys up on the old couch to watch it. Hours of delays, cancellations, for a brief moment of black and white smoke – with that bright spot the old camera’s or TV’s couldn’t quite handle where the flame was.

    Dad knew it was history, whether us little ones appreciated it or not at the time.

    http://wechoosethemoon.org/
    ——————————

    Nice link AmWay.

    Good memories. I hope our kids and future generations recognize that by working harder and smarter, they can have the same opportunities to realize true achievements.

  38. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    “JimJohnson” –

    Do you walk around with a fire extinguisher in hand?

  39. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    You suppose they had a “NO GUNS ALLOWED” sign at Denny’s?

  40. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Nathaniel posted June 21, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Cosmos,

    I see you are still resorting to your strawman argument tactics again.
    ———————
    Nathaniel,

    If I mischaracterized your “stone age” post, why don’t you correct me, instead of attacking?

  41. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    MonkeyWonder,

    Actually, I keep several fire extinguishers in the home and one in the truck.

    I don’t need to walk around with one because it is a law that every business have a certain number per/foot in their establishment accesable and visable.

    Nice try though…

  42. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    1. Calling your comments a strawman argument is not “attacking” you. You childish over reactive little girl. (That was not an attack either, just my opinion of you)

    2. I do not believe that: “new energy efficiency technology, micro-turbines, solar PV, active and passive solar, wind farms etc = “the stone age”.”

    That is why your comments were a strawman argument. You attributed something to me which I didn’t say. (You built a strawman…hence the term)

  43. Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    No one has abandoned any energy source….

    The Obama administration gave conditional support today for a federal-industry partnership that would build an advanced coal-burning power plant in Illinois to trap and store carbon dioxide emissions, reversing a Bush-era decision to abandon the FutureGen project.

    The Department of Energy’s flagship “clean coal” power plant has a new lease on life, thanks to a billion dollars from last year’s stimulus package.

    The plan to build the plant, which will be the first large plant to capture and bury its carbon dioxide emissions in the ground, was scrapped by the Bush Administration in early 2008.

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/futuregen/

  44. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of the “No Guns” sign… did anyone ever get a look at Dr Tillers church yet? Was it posted?

  45. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    I never go places where I need a gun – Like Denny’s

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2006/03/17/state/n062548S54.DTL

    Man killed in THIRD fatal shooting at a SoCal Denny’s restaurant

    Friday, March 17, 2006

    A gunman opened fire early Friday morning at a Denny’s restaurant and one man was killed and another seriously wounded, police said. It was the third fatal shooting to occur at the restaurant chain in Southern California this week.

    The latest shooting occurred about 2:45 a.m. at a Denny’s restaurant near Angel Stadium after a fight broke out between two large groups of people in the restaurant, said Sgt. Rick Martinez of the Anaheim Police Department.

    One victim re-entered the restaurant after being shot and died inside, Martinez said. The other victim was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

    A gun was found near the scene, but officers weren’t sure if it was the weapon used in the shooting. It appears that the shooting was not related to street gangs, Martinez said.

    The gunman was being sought by authorities.

    The shooting is the third to occur in a Southern California Denny’s in the past three days, after unrelated incidents in Pismo Beach and Ontario.

    In the Pismo Beach shooting Wednesday, a transient with two guns walked into the restaurant at lunchtime, shot two men dead, wounded a husband and wife, and committed suicide.

    A 37-year-old Pomona man was fatally shot in the parking lot of a Denny’s restaurant in Ontario on Thursday after getting into an altercation with a group of people. The gunman was still being sought.

  46. Regular
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Never been to a restaurant where I needed a gun, but could have used a log-splitter for some of the steaks I’ve eaten. :)

  47. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Monday, January 22, 2007

    5 shot at Denny’s in Kent

    4 men, 1 woman hurt; 2 suspects held

    By VANESSA HO
    P-I REPORTER

    KENT — Police say a gunman who opened fire in a busy Denny’s restaurant Sunday, wounding five people, had fought with patrons, quickly returned with a gun and appeared to have fired randomly, causing terrified customers and employees to dive under tables.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/300649_shooting22.html

  48. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel posted June 21, 2009 at 10:15 am

    In other words the Democrats would have us go back to the stone age. . .
    ———————

    Nathaniel posted June 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    2. I do not believe that: “new energy efficiency technology, micro-turbines, solar PV, active and passive solar, wind farms etc = “the stone age”.”
    ———————-

    The Democrats are advocating “new energy efficiency technology, micro-turbines, solar PV, active and passive solar, wind farms etc”.

  49. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    My comments were in response to BJ’s. Try to keep up in the conversation.

    Either way, my comments still didn’t support your saying what I believe when I have said no such thing.

    Coward

  50. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Ahmadinejad doesn’t want to be friends with Obama.

    Guess Obama didn’t talk to em nice enough. Now what Obama?

    Beg for Peace?

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528010,00.html

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned the United States and Britain Sunday to stop meddling in Iran’s internal affairs, the ISNA news agency reported.

    “Definitely by hasty remarks you will not be placed in the circle of friendship with the Iranian nation. Therefore I advise you to correct your interfering stances,” Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.

  51. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Planned N. Korea Launch Unnerves Hawaii Residents

    Sunday, June 21, 2009

    HONOLULU — Comforted by the U.S. military’s missile defense systems, Hawaii residents doubt a North Korean missile would light up the clear island sky. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t worried that a long-range missile could be launched in their direction.

    Japanese media have reported the North Koreans appear to be preparing for a long-range test near July 4 — U.S. Independence Day. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered additional protections for Hawaii in case a missile is launched over the Pacific Ocean.

    “The North Koreans are unbalanced and could try anything,” said Dan Gleason while walking his dog in downtown Honolulu. “If they do hit Honolulu, I hope it’s a good shot, because I don’t want to go through the aftermath.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528009,00.html

    This isn’t the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor of December 7, 1941 nor the surprise attack of 9/11. Obama has been warned by the North Koreans. Will Obama defend America and keep us safe?

  52. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    So Monkey,

    You ever go to Denny’s?

  53. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel,

    Show some personal responsibility, and stop blaming me for your inability to express your thoughts clearly.

  54. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I asked you first, “JimJohnson” –

    Do you always walk around with a fire extinguisher?

    As for your question –

    “So Monkey,

    You ever go to Denny’s?”

    Why? Are you planning on stalking me?

  55. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Preview of National ObamaCare:

    Report: VA Hospital Botched Cancer Treatments

    Sunday, June 21, 2009

    PHILADELPHIA — A newspaper says a common surgical procedure for the treatment of prostate cancer was botched at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Philadelphia 79 percent of the time.

    The New York Times says a team that performed the procedure using radiation botched it on 92 of 116 occasions over more than six years. The paper says the team continued the treatment for a year even though the equipment that measured whether patients received the proper radiation dose was broken.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528024,00.html

  56. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    ObamaCare to cost $1.5 TRILLION and STILL Only Cover 1/3 of Uninsured People

    Needs to spend $4.5 TRILLION to Cover All Uninsured?

    A Trillion HERE, a Trillion THERE, No Big Deal

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/21/senators-spar-public-health-care-plan/

    Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday that the latest cost estimates for Democrats’ health care overhaul amount to a “death blow” to calls for a government-run plan.

    The influential South Carolina Republican was responding to estimates this past week from the Congressional Budget Office, which tagged one plan at $1.5 trillion over 10 years and another at $1 trillion over 10 years. Though many experts anticipated a comprehensive health care overhaul would cost about $1 trillion, the CBO predicted that the latter plan would only cover 16 million uninsured — or about one-third of those who currently lack coverage.

    Graham said the estimates mean that a government-run plan, which many Democrats view as critical to health care reform, cannot be part of negotiations.

    “The CBO estimates were a death blow to a government-run health care plan,” Graham said, adding that there’s been a “bipartisan rejection” of such an idea.

  57. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Cosmos,

    Show some integrity and stop making arguments based on things others have not actually said.

  58. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel posted June 21, 2009 at 10:15 am

    In other words the Democrats would have us go back to the stone age. . .

  59. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Oh Monkey, guns are a little different then fire extinguishers for use as self-defense, though both are needed for different purposes of course.

    There are far fewer cases of people being attacked by fire then by guns, so no, I don’t carry a fire extinguisher when walking about. I do carry a fire extinguisher in my car and in my truck though. Do you?

    And when in public buildings, like Nathan mentioned, there are laws requiring fire extinguishers, and smoke/fire detectors just about everywhere you go.

    Now if you were to say BAN fire exinguishers, would you feel safer?

  60. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    So Monkey,

    Do you ever go to Denny’s?

  61. Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    1. Calling your comments a strawman argument is not “attacking” you. You childish over reactive little girl. (That was not an attack either, just my opinion of you) [Nathan(iel)]

    So, Nathan —

    1. Do you know Cosmos personally??

    2. Do you know if Cosmos is little??

    3. Do you know if Cosmos is a girl?

  62. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson,

    Lets not start talking about feelings with the liberals.

    A better question would be:

    If we were to ban fire extinguishers, would we actually BE safer? Not “feel” safer…

    ChimpChild might actually “feel” safer if all the fire extinguishers were banned.

  63. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    1. Do you know Cosmos personally??

    Thankfully, no.

    2. Do you know if Cosmos is little??

    Irrelevant.

    3. Do you know if Cosmos is a girl?

    Irrelevant.

  64. Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    No, Nathan, not irrelevant… But, indeed, a straw man of your very own…

    IF it is TRUE that you do not know Cosmos personally, then you cannot — in any sense of the word truthfully, keep on with your snarky commentary that Cosmos is a “little girl”. That indeed, makes # 2, and # 3, both VERY relevant… Why dont you just stop with the personal attacks, like the Blog suggests??

  65. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    It is an “inside” exchange between Cosmos and I. In another thread where Cosmos was calling us names, Cosmos justified it by saying it was just an opinion and not a personal attack.

    So, from here on out, I will call Cosmos names because I am just giving Cosmos my opinion. Which according to Cosmos, isn’t a personal attack.

    It is between Cosmos and I. So, your questions are irrelevant.

  66. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    There are far more fire calls in Wichita than personal attacks.

  67. Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Soooo… you can allege others’ opinions as straw man arguments, but not your own… By golly, the poster who called you “God” the other day was right on target….

    snarky sarcasm / off

  68. Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    On the other hand, MY opinions/questions, are just as relevant as yours, Sgt.

  69. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm | Permalink
    JimJohnson,

    Lets not start talking about feelings with the liberals.

    A better question would be:

    If we were to ban fire extinguishers, would we actually BE safer? Not “feel” safer…

    ChimpChild might actually “feel” safer if all the fire extinguishers were banned.

    =================================

    Oh I know Nathan. That was the next step, to point out the Judges ruling against the Bush’s Administration allowing guns in National Parks.

    The Judge ruled against the 2nd Amendment based on some people (like BJ) “feeling less safe with guns around.”

    So law is now based on feelings.

    Of course the Judge’s ruling was overridden by Congress, when they passed legislation to allow guns in the National Parks.

    That was one rare example where the Legislative Branch corrected a big F-Up made by the Judicial Branch.

  70. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Don’t worry about Nathaniel — he seems to believe that people during the “stone age” had “new energy efficiency technology, micro-turbines, solar PV, active and passive solar, wind farms etc”.

  71. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Nathan here’s the link to show how this Judge rules based on FEELINGS:

    “As a direct result of the Final Rule, Brady’s members assert that they feel less safe and
    that the Final Rule has reduced their “opportunities to pursue recreational, aesthetic, and leisure activities in national park areas.” Id. ¶ 2.

    These injuries are traceable to the Final Rule, which lifted restrictions on the possession of concealed, loaded, and operable firearms, and are redressable if the restrictions are restored.”

    (Brady member indicating that if theFinal Rule is vacated or changed, she “will once again feel safe in and fully enjoy national parks”). Based on the foregoing, the Court finds that NPCA and Brady have met their burden to demonstrate standing in this case.”

    http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/files/National%20Parks-Gun%20Ruling%20TRO.pdf

    Say BJ sounds just like Brady & Co!

  72. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:02 pm | Permalink
    There are far more fire calls in Wichita than personal attacks.
    ———————

    Link?

  73. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a link to another Chazz meltdown yesterday:

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/pro-con-should-schools-be-year-round/#comment-606967

    I think OKObserver must have died laughing!

  74. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson,

    Actually, the Judge overturned that rule change because no Environmental Impact study was done prior to the rule change.

    The Brady Campaign was using some obscure EPA law which mandated that any rule change or such which would reasonably have some impact on the Environment needed to have done an Environmental impact statement.

    The NRA argued that there wouldn’t be any impact on the Environment so no statement needed to be made.

    The “logic” used by the judge and the Brady Campaign was that how could you know if there was not any impact study.

    Absurdity at it’s best.

    Just how does one study the environmental impact on nothing?

  75. FilmFan
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    I sure do hate to interject some hilarity into the daily contretemps, but the FilmFan is still reeling from an unprecedented event yesterday………..

    I was shoppin’ at a local department store, and I bought a whole s–tload of s–t. As I wheeled my cart over to my car, I casually noticed another estrogen unit loading HER car – and she had a bunch of stuff as well.

    I had, moments earlier, purchased Flo-Rida’s latest CD. I don’t usually care for rap, but the dude has a re-mix of a 1999 song called “Blue” by Eiffel 95 that’s really good. And I like to sing along to it. Soulfully. Not-very-softly.

    The FilmFan has a bad habit. She has a bad habit of not knowin’ when she’s singin’ and who might be listenin’.

    And taking the words to heart.

    Oblivious to the trim, long-haired blond woman across from her, I kept on hummin’ to the music. And forgettin’ that some of the words were really, really graphic. Especially if there’s no men in sight…….

    So………..

  76. Nathaniel
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    1. I don’t “allege others opinions” as strawman arguments. I clearly point out how thier comments are a strawman argument.

    2. Calling someone names is not a strawman argument. It is an ad hominem argument. An argument based on attacking the poster, not the facts.

    If you can’t tell the difference between calling someone names being an ad hominem and pointing out how their attributing comments to someone which that person didn’t say being a strawman, perhaps you shouldn’t be commenting on such things.

  77. FilmFan
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    After finally gettin’ all my s–t in my trunk, I started to pull away from the parking lot. At that moment, Sister Golden Hair turned to me and smiled. Broadly. Exuberantly.

    At first, it didn’t sink in. And then, the awful truth sunk in. “Holy sapphic songbird!” I exclaimed silently. “She thought I was singing to her!”

    And it really, really freaked me out. ‘Cause I ain’t gay. Never have been – never will be. So – I’ve never flirted with a chick – and I’m not about to start now. I mean – ain’t nothing wrong with it, if you truly are gay.

  78. FilmFan
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Oh, I’m so embarrassed. I just want to tell this gorgeous young woman, “If you only knew…..if you only knew how many years of anguish I’ve withstood because of people with no fallopian tubes.”

    And now I’ve got to wonder if someone in this vast expanse of a city is replaying my version of “There’s (Two Places) For Us” while she’s cooking dinner for the kiddies – and the hubby, I would imagine.

    Christ! I hope this woman has a tall, dark and handsome testosterone titan who compels the earth to tremble ‘neath his feet – just from the sheer……well……you know what I mean.

    And that ain’t me. I mean, I may be built like a brick s–thouse, but I ain’t gay. Nothin’ wrong with being non-heterosexual – if you’re non-heterosexual.

    Sheesh – this is freakin’ me out! Maybe I should ask Pastor Mark Holick to purify me…..

  79. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Nathan,

    The Judge ruled that Brady & Co had “standing to sue” based on how they FELT LESS SAFE.

    Otherwise, Brady & Co had no standing, and the case would have been dismissed on that basis.

  80. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    FilmFan,

    Have I told you lately how much I enjoy your posts?

    They are absolutely wonderful.

    Thank you for making my day.

  81. FilmFan
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, Jim!

    I wish I had my own home PC so’s I could stay on the ‘puter longer – but I’m perched at Kinko’s right now – and I can’t afford to stay much longer!

    But thanks for the compliment!

  82. wichhick
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    monk.i will not pose any questions to you today as ag is in excile and can’t protect you

  83. HLP
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    FilmFan,

    Do you have access to WiFi at home?

    If so, I have an old laptop that I could come up with. It’s collecting dust right now.

  84. Chas
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink
    Here’s a link to another Chazz meltdown yesterday:

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/pro-con-should-schools-be-year-round/#comment-606967

    I think OKObserver must have died laughing!
    ================================================

    Hmmmm I would think she would have run away yipping like some little whooped puppy, since I didnt post any of the things she was snarking about…. Guess Johnson just cant read worth a Siht today!!

    Wait, that would be every day Johnson cant read worth a Siht…. sorry, my bad…

  85. Chas
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    BTW, Okie, “bodily functions”, as you put it, isnt taught in Physical Sciences, but rather in the Biological Sciences, as is reproductive system information… Better make sure those home schoolers are properly credentialed before you turn them loose on their kids…. :-) LOL

  86. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Chazz! LOL!

    Your rants usually don’t start until late in the day.

    Early start to drinking on Sundays?

  87. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Say Eagle, nice photo.

    Is there a reason why you picked a white TV show family from the 1950’s for today’s Open topic?

  88. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Say Eagle, why not a photo of two Gay Married or Single Dads with their kids?

    How about a photo of a single Dad and his kids?

    Why not an African American family, or Hispanic family, or Asian family, or White-African-Hispanic-Asian family?

    The Eagle is stuck on white sterotypes to show family values.

  89. JWink
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Well its about 8:54 PM on Sunday, June 21st, the end of the longest day or summer solstice in 2009. I believe I have that correct. I see the Sun is setting in a blaze of glory, clouds and all in the west.

    Had a good day, examining the Arkansas River and Ninnescah River in several locations. The Arkansas River is flowing more water than usual thanks to recent rains. But the Ninnescah River appeared at about normal level in several locations where I happened to cross it.

    Of course, in all cases I tried not to trespass on private property after receiving admonishment about observing river right of way rules on these blogs from WE Blogger, BTH, sometime recently.

    I am concerned about the average flow in the south branch of the Ninnescah River as compared to past years when I explored and hunted along that river as a youth. It receives most of its water from springs from the underground Ogallala aquifer along its path in Pratt County and Kingman County.

    The Arkansas River is already a dead river in western Kansas and the dry line is moving eastward somewhere east of Dodge City. One of my projects this summer will be to drive out to Kinsley and examine that stretch along the sand hills in that area.

  90. JWink
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Of course, the Kansas Department of Transportation (KDOT) continues clawing, gouging, burning a new pathway along old Highway 54 in the vicinity of Cunningham, between Kingman and Pratt, as it frantically tries to spend $100 million of taxpayers dollars in this recessionary period before someone in Kansas government catches on.

    KDOT of course is building the Kansas portion of a new but unauthorized divided, limited access, four lane concrete freeway from Wichita to Liberal. This will be part of the long whispered about NAFTA super highway all the way to El Paso, Texas and on into Mexico.

    Anybody wonder why this is not being discussed and questioned in our regular main line press such as the Wichita Eagle and Kansas City Star? Or by our elected politicians in Topeka who have oversight over these kinds of projects?

  91. Regular
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Hail and well meet on this day of Summer solstice, JWink. :)

  92. Regular
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    meet = met
    too fast on the clicker…

  93. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Police seek help ID’ing suspects in robberies

    BY STAN FINGER
    The Wichita Eagle
    Police have released photographs of two recent robbery suspects in the hope that someone will recognize them.

    One of the photos is of a man who robbed the QuikTrip at 1610 E. Lincoln shortly after 7 p.m. on June 4. He was armed with a drywall hammer and a drywall saw, walked behind the counter and stole money from the register, a clerk told police.

    He is about 5 feet 9 inches tall and 170 pounds. He was dressed in a white tank top and jean shorts.

    The second robber struck the Burger King at 4220 E. Harry at about 3:15 a.m. Wednesday.

    The store manager told police a man demanded money at gunpoint after entering the store through a back door that had been propped open while an employee carried out old cooking grease.

    http://www.kansas.com/news/crime-courts/story/859341.html

  94. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Say Monkey,

    You ever go to Quick Trip?

    You ever go to Burger King?

    Nope, you don’t go anywhere you think you might need a gun.

  95. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Man charged in Monday Subway robbery
    Comments (0)
    BY STAN FINGER
    The Wichita Eagle

    WICHITA – A 60-year-old man has been arrested and charged in connection with the robbery of the Subway restaurant on North Broadway late Monday night.

    Michael D. Johnson is accused of robbing the Subway in the 1000 block of North Broadway shortly before 9:15 p.m. Monday.

    http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/856755.html

  96. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Say Monkey,

    You ever go to Subway?

  97. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Say JWink, is the NAFTA superhighway for real or not?

    Find all kinds of conflicting info out there.

    In any case, why does America continue to build new highways, when Global Warming is killing the planet?

    I thought America was going green?

    Guess not.

  98. BlueJay
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Hey “Jim”?

    If you had your gun and saw some place being robbed, would you shoot the robber?

    See? I wouldn’t. What is it to me if someone robs some business?

  99. Phantom
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    It’s a good thing we don’t have that goofball Mccain sitting in the WH singing ‘bomb, bomb Iran!”
    The stupid repubs are calling for Iranian regime change, trying to put an American stamp on an Iranian movement, which is self-defeating.

  100. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Every situation is different BJ.

    If your life is in danger, the first rule is always to flee IF possible. If that’s not an option, then sure it makes sense to fight back.

    One is under no legal obligation to defend others, but in certain situations it may be the right thing to do.

    If it’s my wife, kids, family or friends, you bet I’d fight for them if I had to.

    For a FEW examples of situations you might try this link:

    http://www.nraila.org/ArmedCitizen/

  101. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Here’s one example.

    The robber was pointing a gun at the head of the gas station owner. That is a situation where a life is in danger. You want to guess as to whether he’s gonna pull the trigger or not, if you have a clear shot at the robber?

    The Topeka Capital Journal, Topeka, KS, 01/23/07
    State: KS
    American Rifleman Issue: 4/1/2007
    Kansas’ concealed carry law took effect January 1, 2007. On January 19, two armed men burst into a gas station owned by Dean Yee. According to police, they twice demanded money from Yee while holding him at gunpoint. A customer inside the store, however, had a concealed-carry permit. He shouted for the robbers to drop their weapons. When they refused, he shot one suspect before the other fled. Station owner Yee feels lucky to be alive. “I would have been shot in the chest,” he told 27 News. Kansas Sen. Phil Journey, (R-Haysville) added,” Hopefully this will put other criminals and thugs on notice that Kansas is a different state today than it was just 20 days ago.”

  102. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 9:52 pm | Permalink
    It’s a good thing we don’t have that goofball Mccain sitting in the WH singing ‘bomb, bomb Iran!”
    The stupid repubs are calling for Iranian regime change, trying to put an American stamp on an Iranian movement, which is self-defeating.

    ——————–

    Obama does nothing, but blow hot air.

    And now Ahmadinejad doesn’t want to be our friend anymore.

  103. JWink
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Jim Johnson: I’m not an expert on the NAFTA super highway. Most people in position to know something will not talk about it.

    It’s my understanding the politicians and citizens of Texas would not permit it being built north-south through the center of Texas near Dallas/Ft. Worth to Kansas City and on to Chicago.

    Look on a map. Highway 54 passes largely through Kansas and New Mexico, passing only briefly through the Oklahoma and Texas panhandles before entering New Mexico. At the south end of the U.S. portion, Highway 54 only passes through a few miles from New Mexico into El Paso and then across the Rio Grande River and U.S. border into Ciudad Juarez, Mexico.

    I don’t know if a 1,000 mile stretch of new divided, four to six -lane, limited access concrete highway with multiple fly-overs and fly-arounds to avoid railroad lines and other barriers, prohibiting easy access to farmers and small towns along the way, from Wichita to Mexico, qualifies as a NAFTA super highway.

    My personal objection is the Kansas Highway Department is sparing no expense in spending some $100 million of tax dollars for the Kansas portion. And in the process cutting, gouging, slashing its way through a formerly historic and picturesque route along the meandering Ninnescah River between Kingman and Pratt. They are also destroying and filling in an irreplaceable portion of Ninnescah River alluvial wetlands that furnishes water to portions of Wichita and southeastern Kansas and northern Oklahoma.

    Who are the thugs at KDOT who can get away with this unchallenged? Do they “own” the taxes they are spending?

    What’s that old saying? Something about, “If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, has webbed feet like a duck … it just might be a duck.”

    Try asking someone in position to know something and, I assure you, you won’t get any answers.

  104. JWink
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Jim Johnson: I’m not an expert on the NAFTA super highway. Most people in position to know something will not talk about it.

    It’s my understanding the politicians and citizens of Texas would not permit it being built north-south through the center of Texas near Dallas/Ft. Worth to Kansas City and on to Chicago.

    Look on a map. Highway 54 passes largely through Kansas and New Mexico, passing only briefly through the Oklahoma and Texas panhandles before entering New Mexico. At the south end of the U.S. portion, Highway 54 only passes through a few miles from New Mexico into El Paso and then across the Rio Grande River and U.S. border into Ciudad Juarez, Mexico.

    I don’t know if a 1,000 mile stretch of new divided, four to six -lane, limited access concrete highway with multiple fly-overs and fly-arounds to avoid railroad lines and other barriers, prohibiting easy access to farmers and small towns along the way, from Wichita to Mexico, qualifies as a NAFTA super highway.

    My personal objection is the Kansas Highway Department is sparing no expense in spending some $100 million of tax dollars for the Kansas portion. And in the process cutting, gouging, slashing its way through a formerly historic and picturesque route along the meandering Ninnescah River between Kingman and Pratt. They are also destroying and filling in an irreplaceable portion of Ninnescah River alluvial wetlands that furnishes water to portions of Wichita and southeastern Kansas and northern Oklahoma.

    Who are the thugs at KDOT who can get away with this unchallenged? Do they “own” the taxes they are spending?

    What’s that old saying? Something about, “If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, has webbed feet like a duck … it just might be a duck.”

    Try asking someone in position to know something and, I assure you, you won’t get any answers.

  105. JWink
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Sorry about the double posting. I don’t know how that happens.

  106. Boxlock20
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    ” If you had your gun and saw some place being robbed, would you shoot the robber?
    See? I wouldn’t. What is it to me if someone robs some business?”—BlowJ

    I wouldn’t shoot the robber either unless I felt mortally threaten or that others were.
    But you, you worthless slug, care only for yourself and no one else and are your own best reward for being so.

    Hey BlowJ, choke on this awhile:
    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 32% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That’s the President’s lowest rating to date and the first time the Presidential Approval Index has fallen below zero for Obama (see trends).

    Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats Strongly Approve of the President’s performance but only 8% of Republicans share that view. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans Strongly Disapprove.

  107. Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    FOUR posters on this thread since 3 p.m. In addition to the one, the only, the unoriginal JimJohnson…. (This post makes 5 posters besides JimJohnson, since 3 p.m. today….

    Lets all hope JimJohnson had a great Father’s Day talking to himself on WEBlog today!!

  108. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    I read a book in college years ago, and it’s stuck with me ever since.

    The American Cropland Crisis highlights the need to preserve our cropland. Once it’s developed, it’s gone forever.

    It takes nature 100 years in the right conditions, to make 1 inch of topsoil. We’ve not only taken out millions of acres of cropland, but we’ve also eroded away much of the topsoil on the cropland that remains.

    Let’s maintain the roads we have, and stop building new ones.

    Let’s move our trucks to rail, and this will:

    –Save roughly 25% of all highway deaths and injuries. (Reducing vehicle deaths by 10,000/yr or the equivalent of Two 6-year Iraq Wars PER YEAR)

    –Trucks use roughly 25-30% of the oil consumed in America, so we’d save much of that if the long haul routes were transported by rail.

    –We’d reduce pollution and make some Global Warming folks happy. (Not that I’ve bought into the GW scam, but I do care about keeping our air, land, and water clean.)

    –We’d make America less dependent on foreign oil.

    –We’d reduce our global trade deficit, and increase the value of the dollar.

    –We would tick-off the truckers & the Teamsters who vote for one political party.

  109. Boxlock20
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    I can hardly wait for 2010 and 2012, this is going to be fun watching the DimLibs policies turn this country against them with a vengeance.

  110. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Chas you posted on a Sunday and Father’s Day at 11:00 am.

    Church out early, ‘preacher’?

  111. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a link to another Chazz meltdown yesterday:

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/pro-con-should-schools-be-year-round/#comment-606967

    I think okobserver must have died laughing!

  112. BlueJay
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    “Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans Strongly Disapprove.”

    Wahhhh says the party permanently out of power.

  113. Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Let’s move our trucks to rail, and this will:

    –Save roughly 25% of all highway deaths and injuries. (Reducing vehicle deaths by 10,000/yr or the equivalent of Two 6-year Iraq Wars PER YEAR)

    –Trucks use roughly 25-30% of the oil consumed in America, so we’d save much of that if the long haul routes were transported by rail.

    –We’d reduce pollution and make some Global Warming folks happy. (Not that I’ve bought into the GW scam, but I do care about keeping our air, land, and water clean.)

    –We’d make America less dependent on foreign oil.

    –We’d reduce our global trade deficit, and increase the value of the dollar.

    –We would tick-off the truckers & the Teamsters who vote for one political party.
    ==============================================

    This is not a bad idea… There are already at least TWO major rail lines from Wichita/Hutchinson/Newton westward… Make that three…

    One line runs SW down through Iowa, and on South through OK, and TX panhandle…

    Another line runs West and South towards Liberal, then on down through Guymon and points SW, all the way IIRC to Albuquerque… Then, theh line parallel’s I-25, to El Paso…

    Other lines run South to Dallas/Ft. Worth, then on South and West to San Antonio, connecting West to El Paso…. and then West through NM to eventually Phoenix… and on west to CA…

    The line through San Antonio meets another Westbound/Eastbound line paralleling I-10… that goes East with branches to South TX, Houston, Galveston, and points East, on to Florida…

    LOTS of rail traffic…. SOME track use is for AmTRAK…. I’ve ridden some of that myself… Freight gets priority in many places…

    The rail lilnes South, and West from Chicago are numerous, and impressive… and heavily used…

    The PROBLEM is that the goods carried on the rails still needs distribution in the major Metro areas, not to mention all of the small communities between…. Imagine the rail backup if trains had to stop, and off load, and add new cargo at all of those Metro and small towns, to cut down on OTR trucking…

    The OTR truckers pay a HUGE amount of user fees, and taxes, and fuel taxes… Railroads — NOT… Take away the tax $$$ being collected from OTR trucking, and somebody will have to make it up!!

    You volunteering JimJohnson???

    As for all the flap over U. S. 54 from Pratt WEST…. JWink needs to go back and look at old plans for Hwy. 54, dating back to the years when Hwy. 54 was still called the Cannonball and it ran west on what is now Maple… not Kellogg….

    Remember those days, Jwink?? Burma Shave, little road houses, small town mom and pop gas stations, little cafes and A&W Drive Inns??? Sort of like U.S. 66 used to be??

    JWink, why arent you fussing so much about the 4-lane Hwy. improvements up north acrosss Kansas and Missouri, on Rte. 36??? Lots of good scenic stuff up there too… Much of it has come back since the work on the 4-lane sections has been completed… Sure makes driving Hwy. 36 a lot easier… Lots fewer stops through every little one-horse town, and slow downs for little town stop signs, street lights, and of course, local police speed traps….

    During the years I served in Ford, KS, where I was ordained 31 years ago, there were plans THEN to make Hwy. 54 a 4-lane “super slab” as the truckers called it… Bout time they got it started… And it will be great when it’s finished…

    Trucks will use less fuel too… cause they wont be slowing down to 30-35 MPH through Kingman, and and Cullison, and Haviland, and Mullinville, and Greensburg, and Bucklin, and Mineola, and Fowler, etc., etc., ad infinitum… all teh way to Liberal…. Should cut that drive time down to about 3 hours…. takes forever now… Did that when I served a parish in Liberal… Wore me out going there, and coming back…

    Another thing… I am told by my trucker friends, it’s real tough carrying swingin meat, and live livestock on two lane roads, and try to make any time schedules… Hard on the live livestock as well… Darned hogs dont take to riding that cramped and crowded in Summer heat; and they get frost bite in Winter… Cattle not so much… And I guess swingin meat can get real goosy on frequent stops and starts… not to mention curves, and such…

    Make the big rigs more fuel efficient, or get them running on bio-fuel… Bio-diesel cuts down on foreign oil consumption a bunch!!

    Get some high speed PASSENGER Rail service, and cut down on airline fuel… Now thats fuel you can really cut back on with decent, reliable high speel Passenger rail service… And, we could also dust off some of the old Steam locomotives… save a lot of diesel fuel for trains, too!!

  114. Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    BTW…. I just LOVE trains!! And I got many $$$$ of model railroads to back that up.

  115. Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Johnson, it’s Summer… I was all done before 11 a.m. GET A LIFE, LOSER!!!

  116. Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 10:44 pm | Permalink
    Here’s a link to another Chazz meltdown yesterday:

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/pro-con-should-schools-be-year-round/#comment-606967

    I think okobserver must have died laughing!
    ===============================================

    Johnson, you nitwit, you already posted that once today… I also responded… Granny had her butt handed to her yesterday, AND today…

  117. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Trucks to Trains to Trucks

    The trains would be used for the long hauls. Trucks would take freight on short-runs (<250 miles or so) to the nearest regional truck/train terminal. Trailer would be placed on flatcar. Same truck could take a trailer off the flatcar to a new short-run destination on a return trip.

    Rapid onload/offload system of truck trailers would expedite this process.

  118. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    An expanded train system could replace the barge traffic on the Mississippi/Ohio rivers.

    This would eliminate the need to spend hundreds of Billions of Dollars to maintain/upgrade the locks and darns on these two rivers.

    Billions spent in flood control have failed many times to control these two great rivers.

    Some advocate letting the rivers run mostly free, while protecting major cities.

    In the floods before the Corps of Engineers, the Mississippi flooded frequently and spread out over a larger area, BUT the depth was not as great, due to more area being used to carry the river.

    New Orleans, is an example of how we should have let the Mississippi run free, and actually maintained the delta area which serves as a natural hurricane barrier.

    But alas, man knows better then nature. We can of course control the entire planet.

  119. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:12 pm | Permalink
    BTW…. I just LOVE trains!! And I got many $$$$ of model railroads to back that up.

    Chas
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
    Johnson, it’s Summer… I was all done before 11 a.m. GET A LIFE, LOSER!!!
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    LOL! Picture Chas wearing his train engineer hat and red scarf while whistling “Woooooooo, Wooooooo!”

  120. JimJohnson
    Posted June 21, 2009 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Larger then Usual Fireworks this 4th of July?

    Hope nothing happens, but thousands or more could be in for it.

    And for the rest of us, I wonder how the stock market and oil prices would be impacted by missiles soaring over Honolulu, the USS McCain sinking a NK ship, and who knows what would happen next?

    China might even get mad at us and decide to stop funding our Debt.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/21/obama-prepared-threat-north-korea/

    AP

    Sunday, June 21, 2009

    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said the United States is “prepared for any contingencies” involving North Korea — including the regime’s reported threat to launch a long-range missile toward Hawaii.

    Japanese media have reported the North Koreans appear to be preparing for a long-range test near July 4.