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Ah the military. Sure we are desperate for Arabic translators but if they are gay we show them the door. If a pilot is a highly decorated combat veteran and admired by soldiers under his command he is shown the door because he is bad for morale. Over 38,000 soldiers were kicked out for being gay.
So how do we fill the gap? Heck, open the door to White Supremacists, Nazis and gang members. Nothing can possibly go wrong.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/15/neo-nazi-us-military/
On this date, Jun 16th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas
High: 100 °F (1978)
Low: 50 °F (1989)
Regular: What happened on this date, June 16th in 1953, that the temperature didn’t register over 100 degrees? Perhaps thunderstorms. Probably was a non-swimming day. And probably worked extra hours at Pratt’s Drive-Inn Market selling watermelons to interstate travelers on Highway 54.
Remember those canvas water bags covered with dead grasshoppers hanging from front bumpers? That water was for radiators, not for drinking.
“JWink” conjures up a memory –
“…those canvas water bags covered with dead grasshoppers hanging from front bumpers? That water was for radiators, not for drinking.”
And, in the process, they restricted air flow through the car’s radiator.
The best way to cool down a Hudson Hornet? Go faster!
How ’bout those “air cooler” thingies that hung outside the passenger-side window?
Oh. And those holes on the side of a Buick?
They’re officially called “Cruise-a-Liner-Vent-a-Ports,” according to the owner’s manual I used to have for a ‘51 Deluxe.
Not sure JWink – could be rain – or just a cold front.
Don’t recall the canvas bags. My dad had two cars, a 1939 Chevy and a 1950 Chevy. Both were push button start, the ‘39 on the floor and the ‘50 on the dash.
The ‘39 was notorious for flat tires. Easy to fix though as inner tubes were in common use back then. A patch kit, hand air pump and off you go!
Sorry JWink, those bags were drinking water bags. Radiator water was in a jerry can in the trunk. Extra gas in a jerry can in the trunk also. Extra water for the air conditioner in the window.
‘49 Ford, route 66, 1950 road trip to San Diego in July.
As the American Way has asked all along: “Why do we need to close GITMO?” Crickets chirped. But Obama still rules with an iron fist:
“Gallup poll numbers showing that a majority of Americans oppose shutting down the U.S. detention facility in Guantanamo Bay. The numbers are stunning. They show a strong and virtually across-the-board rejection of President Obama’s proposal to close the prison.
Overall, 65 percent of those surveyed oppose shutting Gitmo, versus 32 percent who say it should be closed. According to the poll’s internal numbers, large majorities of men oppose closing the prison, large majorities of women oppose it, large majorities of white people oppose it, large majorities of non-white people oppose it, people with graduate degrees oppose it, and people who didn’t finish high school oppose it. Pretty much everybody.
For Obama, the key numbers are the ones that break down opinion by political party. Ninety-one percent of Republicans oppose shutting Gitmo. Sixty-eight percent of independents oppose it, too. The only group that favors shutting down the prison is Democrats, and that is by a relatively narrow 53 percent to 42 percent margin.
When virtually the entire opposition party, plus 68 percent of independents, plus 42 percent of your own party oppose something you want to do, then you’re in trouble.”
WashingtonExaminer
So much for the Obama argument:
“Another part of the poll asked respondents, “What effect do you think the Guantanamo Bay prison has had on U.S. national security? Overall, 40 percent say the prison has strengthened national security, while 37 percent say it has not had much effect at all. Just 18 percent say the existence of Guantanamo has weakened national security.
Among Republicans, five percent say Gitmo has weakened national security. Among independents, just 14 percent say the same, and among Democrats, just 33 percent say the prison has weakened national security. That means that the overwhelming majority of Americans reject the key argument the Obama White House has put forward for closing Guantanamo — that it has weakened American national security.”
As it turns out, closing GITMO, was just a way to attack republican Bush and label him as an “evil, evil” man.
Politic’s as usual.
Political games by “The One”.
At great expense and actually increasing the security issues (many of the released have returned to terrorism – vowing to kill Americans everywhere).
Communism in Eastern Europe
By Teresa Rakowska-Harmstone, 1984
In the Communist takeover of Romania, Three concurrent processes were evident.
FIRST PROCESS:
Elimination of alternative sources of authoritative values, the necessary prerequisite for what Kenneth Jowitt has called the “breaking through” process.
In February 1948, the Romanian Communist Party (RCP) absorbed the remainder of the Social Democratic party and established the Romanian Workers’ Party (RWP). The pre-1945 parties were altogether eliminated by 1953.
The churches, another source of dysfunctional values, were either coopted by the state, as in the case of the traditionally subservient Romanian Orthodox church, eliminated, as accomplished through the forced merger of the Uniates with the Orthodox, or persecuted as agents of “imperialism.”
Culture, always a source of national consciousness, was Sovietized with the establishment of state censorship and the imposition of “socialist realism” by the party-controlled artists’ unions.
Education was laicized and centralized in August 1948, and the mass media were reorganized under strict party control in May 1949. Those who ventured criticism were silenced.
By 1955, Jowitt contends the “breaking through” process had been completed, leaving the RCP as the single source of authoritative values for Romanian society.
HLP: You might be right saying those canvas water bags were for drinking water. But what kept out the dead bugs that collided with those bags? It seems like the bags were slimy with dead bugs. I suppose the heavy canvas kept out the bugs.
I remember that during the summer, thousands of cars with every state license tag in America would stop by there for water melon, peaches, apples, sandwiches from the butcher counter … in those days long before the interstate highways were built.
American_Way
Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:00 am | Permalink
When virtually the entire opposition party, plus 68 percent of independents, plus 42 percent of your own party oppose something you want to do, then you’re in trouble.”
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This illustrates the unchecked power of Obama.
Who can stop him?
Strange though, how closing Gitmo is the one campaign promise he’s likely to keep.
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JWink
Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:09 am | Permalink
HLP: You might be right saying those canvas water bags were for drinking water. But what kept out the dead bugs that collided with those bags? It seems like the bags were slimy with dead bugs. I suppose the heavy canvas kept out the bugs.
I remember that during the summer, thousands of cars with every state license tag in America would stop by there for water melon, peaches, apples, sandwiches from the butcher counter … in those days long before the interstate highways were built.
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My Great Grandparents came from Indiana to Pratt County in 1879. Have to find the letter where they mentioned bringing peach, apple and other fruit trees along with them. They moved into Wichita during the 1920s. I believe old ‘Doc’ Cole remained there for awhile.
If you know anyone in the S. Topeka and Osie area (1 block South of Harry) in need of food, our new Food Distribution Center debuts today at 5:30PM. Send them over to fill out the paperwork and we will send them home with a sack of food.
American_Way
Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:03 am | Permalink
As it turns out, closing GITMO, was just a way to attack republican Bush and label him as an “evil, evil” man.
Politic’s as usual.
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Yes, THAT is the correct answer.
Still, with all those other promises broken (LIES), why is closing Gitmo the one promise he’s likely to keep?
A promise he made to the Saudi King is more important then National Security, or more important then breaking another Campaign Promise?
Strange.
President Obama acts unilaterally and disses the British….again
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5517458/David-Miliband-calls-Hillary-Clinton-to-voice-anger-over-Guantanamo-inmates-transfer-to-Bermuda.html
It’s eerie how history appears to be repeating itself.
I don’t remember bugs on the bags. The canvas bags would ’sweat’ a little and the evaporation would keep the water cool. Grandpa hung the bags on the trunk, if I remember right.
Communism in Eastern Europe
By Teresa Rakowska-Harmstone, 1984
In the Communist takeover of Romania, Three concurrent processes were evident.
SECOND PROCESS:
The second process was the socialist transformation of the economy, closely imitating the Soviet precedent. In June 1948, the manufacturing, mining, banking, insurance, and transportation industries were nationalized and in July a State Planning Commission was established that produced the goals of the first five-year plan for 1951-55.
The collectivization of agriculture in the overwhelmingly agrarian society was initiated with the establishment of machine tractor stations in late 1948. The first “artelization” (collectivization) drive began in 1949.
The peasants, whose land hunger was unassuaged by the land reform of 1945, resisted and coercion was applied, especially against Romanian “kulaks.” The pace of collectivization diminished somewhat in the mid-1950’s to be rigorously reinitiated in the latter part of the decade.
In 1962 Gheorghiu-Dej announced that collectivization had been completed. The economic priorities of the first decade of RCP rule were typically Stalinist: rapid multilateral industrialization with and emphasis on basic industries; draconian rates of capital accumulation; and exploitation of labor, both rural and urban.
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HLP
Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:22 am | Permalink
I don’t remember bugs on the bags. The canvas bags would ’sweat’ a little and the evaporation would keep the water cool. Grandpa hung the bags on the trunk, if I remember right.
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I got spoiled by cistern water – wouldn’t drink any other kind if I could help it. :)
Let keep this record straight, President G.W. Bush was the first to want to close Gitmo.
Communism in Eastern Europe
By Teresa Rakowska-Harmstone, 1984
In the Communist takeover of Romania, Three concurrent processes were evident.
THIRD PROCESS:
The third process was “satellitization” in which Romanian state and national interests were systematically subordinated to Soviet priorities.
First, the party had to be reliable. The presence of Ana Pauker, Vasile Luca (ethnically Jewish and Ruthenian, respectively) and their Muscovite associates in the higher echelons of the RWP was an initially adequate guarantee of the party’s subservience.
The party’s ethnic Romanian proletarian component, led by Gheorghiu-Dej was equally subservient to Stalinist political and economic priorities. The party had purged and arrested its “potential Tito,” Lucretiu Patrascanu, even before the Soviet-Yugoslav dispute had become public.
A verification campaign completed in 1950 had rid the party of roughly 30 percent of its members, “opportunists” who joined the party between 1944 and 1950, but were not loyal to the Soviet Union.
Gheorghiu-Dej proved the more supple politician, both convincing Moscow of his reliability and adeptly exploiting Stalin’s anti-Semitism. In May 1952, Gheorghiu-Dej purged Paulker, Luca, and Georgescu, blaming them for the recruitment scandals revealed during the verification campaign.
The fact that Moscow acquiesced in Gheorghiu-Dej’s triumph was an adequate testimony to his dedication to the cause of “satellitization.” Total RWP subservience to its Soviet animators was the prerequisite for the political and economic satellitization of Romania.
Satellitization, like making the US subserviant to the UN.
Like giving the UN complete control over nuclear weapons, and putting the US in 2nd place.
Like giving the UN complete control over foreign policy.
Like giving the UN complete control over US domestic affairs.
Like giving the UN American Taxpayer Dollars to spread around the world as the UN chooses to spend our money.
Hmmmm…….
The second process is well under way.
America’s economy is truly being transformed. Government ownership of private industry is well under way, and soon to be completed.
The first process is mostly complete.
Attacks on the church have been ongoing. Public School indoctrination and dumbing down America is nearly complete.
The mass media is almost under control. The Fairness Doctrine should wrap that one up.
Soon, Government will be the ONLY valid authority in America. There is no God, other then Obama, afterall.
Yup, Obama is “breaking through” allright.
Right 98.5% of the time….
What do GOD and Obama have in common? Neither have a birth certificate.
Difference between GOD and Obama? GOD does not think that he is Obama. —-Rush
“Still, with all those other promises broken (LIES)”
Obama is quickly shattering all records for promises broken. This week he is on a roll
to break two; taxing employee health care benefits and increasing taxes on the 95% of Americans he promised not to.
If any of you Libs doubt that the MSM has become nothing but an Obama propoganda machine read this.
ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
Tue Jun 16 2009 08:45:10 ET
On the night of June 24, the media and government become one, when ABC turns its programming over to President Obama and White House officials to push government run health care — a move that has ignited an ethical firestorm!
Highlights on the agenda:
ABCNEWS anchor Charlie Gibson will deliver WORLD NEWS from the Blue Room of the White House.
The network plans a primetime special — ‘Prescription for America’ — originating from the East Room, exclude opposing voices on the debate.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot.htm
“President G.W. Bush was the first to want to close Gitmo.”
I think the StevenDavis response from yesterdays thread is in order:
The answer from left wing mental giants here?
“Well, the right does it too!” -
“‘Prescription for America’ ”
Nice touch to feed off the Bush liberal entitlement program. Wish they would look closely to see how costly that fiasco program became and will become when the 77 million boomers are drawing from it.
“Obama is quickly shattering all records for promises broken. This week he is on a roll to break two…”
Only two; he must be slowing down. Actually, there are more.
“A Bad Call on Gay Rights”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/opinion/16tue1.html?ref=opinion
“The Obama administration is fighting to block access to names of visitors to the White House, taking up the Bush administration argument that a president doesn’t have to reveal who comes calling to influence policy decisions.
Despite President Barack Obama’s pledge to introduce a new era of transparency to Washington, and despite two rulings by a federal judge that the records are public, the Secret Service has denied msnbc.com’s request for the names of all White House visitors from Jan. 20 to the present. It also denied a narrower request by the nonpartisan watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which sought logs of visits by executives of coal companies. ”
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
“Only two; he must be slowing down. Actually, there are more.”
(from Hud’s link:)
“The Obama administration, which came to office promising to protect gay rights but so far has not done much, actually struck a blow for the other side last week. It submitted a disturbing brief in support of the Defense of Marriage Act”
Hud, I might be incorrect, but I think Obama is actually speeding up. His broken promise on gays was last week. His taxing health care benefits (which he campaigned against) which will also break his promise not to increase taxes on 95% of Americans is two in one day and same act?
That’s a twofer.
MSM Obama cheerleading continues. I’m not sure anyone watches ABC News anymore, but they have dropped all pretense of objectivity.
ABC TURNS PROGRAMMING OVER TO OBAMA; NEWS TO BE ANCHORED FROM INSIDE WHITE HOUSE
Tue Jun 16 2009 08:45:10 ET
On the night of June 24, the media and government become one, when ABC turns its programming over to President Obama and White House officials to push government run health care — a move that has ignited an ethical firestorm!
Highlights on the agenda:
ABCNEWS anchor Charlie Gibson will deliver WORLD NEWS from the Blue Room of the White House.
The network plans a primetime special — ‘Prescription for America’ — originating from the East Room, exclude opposing voices on the debate.
MORE
Late Monday night, Republican National Committee Chief of Staff Ken McKay fired off a complaint to the head of ABCNEWS:
Dear Mr. Westin:
As the national debate on health care reform intensifies, I am deeply concerned and disappointed with ABC’s astonishing decision to exclude opposing voices on this critical issue on June 24, 2009. Next Wednesday, ABC News will air a primetime health care reform “town hall” at the White House with President Barack Obama. In addition, according to an ABC News report, GOOD MORNING AMERICA, WORLD NEWS, NIGHTLINE and ABC’s web news “will all feature special programming on the president’s health care agenda.” This does not include the promotion, over the next 9 days, the president’s health care agenda will receive on ABC News programming.
Today, the Republican National Committee requested an opportunity to add our Party’s views to those of the President’s to ensure that all sides of the health care reform debate are presented. Our request was rejected. I believe that the President should have the ability to speak directly to the America people. However, I find it outrageous that ABC would prohibit our Party’s opposing thoughts and ideas from this national debate, which affects millions of ABC viewers.
In the absence of opposition, I am concerned this event will become a glorified infomercial to promote the Democrat agenda. If that is the case, this primetime infomercial should be paid for out of the DNC coffers. President Obama does not hold a monopoly on health care reform ideas or on free airtime. The President has stated time and time again that he wants a bipartisan debate. Therefore, the Republican Party should be included in this primetime event, or the DNC should pay for your airtime.
Respectfully,
Ken McKay
Republican National Committee
Chief of Staff
Maggotpunk
Posted June 16, 2009 at 6:04 am | Permalink
Ah the military. Sure we are desperate for Arabic translators but if they are gay we show them the door. If a pilot is a highly decorated combat veteran and admired by soldiers under his command he is shown the door because he is bad for morale. Over 38,000 soldiers were kicked out for being gay.
So how do we fill the gap? Heck, open the door to White Supremacists, Nazis and gang members. Nothing can possibly go wrong.
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Well that is just horrible. What has Obama done to right this wrong?
“President Barack Obama’s pledge to introduce a new era of transparency to Washington”
“My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedentedlevel of openness in Government. We will work together to
ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and
effectiveness in Government.” – Barack Obama
1. Obama denied release of the Abu Ghraib prison photos
2. Obama denied Cheney request to release the CIA success memo’s torture information
3. Obama denied request to Release Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement documents
4. Obama denied to release his education and teaching information from Harvard
5. Obama denied access to Obama-Ayers Documents at Univ of Chicago
6. Obama denied access to a secret document in a wiretapping case despite judge order
7. Obama denied to release the AF One photo’s over NYC (pressured to release some)
8. Obama denied release the cost of his NYC date night (pressured to release)
9. Obama denied release of visitors to the peoples White House (as mentioned)
10. Obama supports the new Graham-Lieberman secrecy law
Next up: How many Obama appointees violate Obama’s pledge to not appoint lobbyists?
“Over 38,000 soldiers were kicked out for being gay.”
They shouldn’ta told.
But American way, there are legit reasons to attack Obama. You might accuse him of following Bush’s lead in this. But it was not solely his idea and Bush did want it too.
It like the Conservative blogger who sighted the take over of Fanny may and Freddy Mac along with the take over of AIG as Obama is a back door Socialist. When it was G.W. Bush who took them over. Does that mean Bush was a back door Socialist? he sure was no Conservative or a Republican even before the government takeovers.
Heckler
Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:15 am | Permalink
If any of you Libs doubt that the MSM has become nothing but an Obama propoganda machine read this.
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That’s part of the First Process:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-616-2/comment-page-1/#comment-603094
Is Government really serious about controlling crime?
Or is the Government solution to ban guns and control law abiding people?
Without Mack’s testimony, 3 criminals will probably now go free.
http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/854866.html
Police: Homicide victim feared for safety
The Associated Press
SALINA, Kan. – A Salina man found shot to death on Saturday had told police he was afraid for his safety because he was scheduled to testify against two men who were accused of shooting at him.
Salina Deputy Police Chief Carson Mansfield said the possibility that 24-year-old Alfred W. Mack Jr. was killed to prevent him from testifying is one of many theories being considered in the case.
No arrests have been made. Mansfield wouldn’t say what type of gun was used or how many times he was shot.
Mack had been subpoenaed to testify against three men who allegedly shot at Mack and another man earlier this year.
Can we get a Mack Murderer Thread for the next 10 days?
Writerdog,
Bush was not a conservative.
That’s a given.
Writer – the bigger point on Fannie/Freddy “takeovers” is that weren’t private in the first place. They’ve been a GSE since their inception. Without the blank check backing of them from the fed govt they could’ve never gotten so big and become the systemic risk they ballooned into.
“he sure was no Conservative or a Republican even before the government takeovers.”
I am on record on numerous blogs as well as this one as having been opposed to the Bush bailout. It was a rush job – which both the president and the democrat controlled congress openly supported. Bush opened the door – but the details were worked out while the moving truck was parked in front of the white house.
Obama on the other hand, has taken it a step forward. “Takeover” is ownership. The president of our United States is now fully in control of two auto manufacturing businesses – more powerful than the formerly non-government corporations CEO’s. Partnering with the new Union owners, Obama is the very ideal of a socialist.
BTW, Fannie/Freddy are laughing all the way to the bank (which is laughing at us too).
They paid off the politicians with campaign donations. The marker has been paid in full by you and me.
“What do GOD and Obama have in common? Neither have a birth certificate”
Obama’s birth certificate and birth announcement have been published.
Writerdog, I think I skirted your question? I did review, but you may say that I did – if I did.
Also, I guess I should not have turned StevenDavis comment around to reflect left wing, when in reference to you.
Sorry.
“Obama’s birth certificate and birth announcement ”
Clark it is confusing. If the guy hadn’t denied to release if for so long, the questions might not have lingered.
And this holy ghost thing makes it even more difficult. Does the Obama certificate indicate who the father is?
God the Obama
Obama the God
Obama the holy ghost
(trinity?)
If H.R.1207: Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009 ever makes it to Obama’s desk, will he sign it?
He is in favor of more open and transparent government, right?
American_Way
Posted June 16, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink
If H.R.1207: Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009 …
Good call. The Fed hired a lobbyist. Wonder why that is? Wonder how much pull the Fed has with the Prez.?
Anyone else hear something about Sotomayor’s stance on detainees circa ~2003?
Heh, heh….
Had to refuse to hire someone yesterday who couldn’t complete the I-9 and provide documentation showing she could legally work in the USA.
Amazing how the law works, when it is followed.
But hey, why should I follow the law when tax cheats are allowed to run our Government?
Here it is…
New Documents Shed Light on Sotomayor’s Thoughts About Sept. 11 Attacks
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/new-documents-shed-light-sotomayors-thoughts-sept-attacks/
But Sol, Sotomayor is:
1. A woman.
2. Hispanic.
So, she’s qualified. Who cares if she supported detaining enemy combatants?
SO far, I have not seen any reason to keep her off the bench. As far as I am concerned, she is qualified, and the President (any President) should have the ability to pick any qualified individual he or she chooses. Political identity and leanings should not have anything to do with it. Of course, both sides agree with that, except when they don’t.
Many libs will never, regardless of qualifications or other stances, agree to a scotus justice is not heavily pro-choice.
TOP 5 ISSUES FOR AMERICANS
Which Party is Most Trusted on These Issues?
REPUBLICANS are more trusted on 4 of the Top 5 Most Important Issues for Americans.
November 2010 could be interesting….
Economy 81% —- Republicans 45-39
Gov’t Ethics/Corruption 76% —- Republicans 35-29
Social Security 59% —- Democrats 43-37
Nat’l Security/War on Terror —- 58% Republicans 51-36
Taxes —- 54% Republicans 44-39
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers
(Note GLOBAL WARMING is NOT in the Top 10. Sorry Cosmos, most people don’t think we need to save the planet.)
“Clark it is confusing. If the guy hadn’t denied to release if for so long, the questions might not have lingered.”
He never refused to release his birth certificate, there has never been a reasonable doubt as to his place of birth and his father is listed as Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.
“his father is listed as Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.”
At least it isn’t God the Father Almighty. (whew!)
That would have REALLY been confusing.
Although I do seem to remember some controversy over Obama not releasing it.
“Although I do seem to remember some controversy over Obama not releasing it.”
Only because Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity and others tried to claim that Barack Obama was not a citizen of the United States eligible to run for president.
Limbaugh is still making that claim, despite proof to the contrary.
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws”: Ayn Rand.
Welcome to the new America, folks. One degree at a time. Once we’ve accepted this, it will ratchet up another notch, ad infinitum…..
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An interesting comment on another blog I was on.
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June 16, 2009
Ruling on NightJack author Richard Horton kills blogger anonymity
(Warren Smith)
Detective constable Richard Horton, writer of the NightJack blog
Frances Gibb, Legal Editor
Thousands of bloggers who operate behind the cloak of anonymity have no right to keep their identities secret, the High Court ruled today
In a landmark decision, Mr Justice Eady refused to grant an order to protect the anonymity of a police officer who is the author of a blog called NightJack.
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So those who post under the guise of privacy had better beware.
Thanks for the warning Okobserver. I’ve always been an advocate for not revealing personal information on the blog – for many security reasons. Others have stated that you should comment on the blogs as you would standing or sitting right next to the readers (civil) just as common courtesy.
If you make threats of violence, or illegal acts, you can get what you have coming to you.
Regardless of our content, I suspect the Office of Homeland Security, NSA, and/or the FBI have all our IP addresses.
Regardless of our content, I suspect the Office of Homeland Security, NSA, and/or the FBI have all our IP addresses.
Cloak your router.
Amway that is certainly true. I am not as afraid of the Homeland Security as I am of some who post here. They have threatened me before which is why I won’t reveal much personal info about myself.
Although I guess I should qualify my statement about HS because it would depend on who is using that info and how they are using it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdyLOUHz-A
Ok/Amway/Sol – just another reason why it amazes me that people can’t see the logic in the danger of building such a powerful centralized govt…whoever’s sitting in those seat wields power that can be utilized for purely political purposes…and the part they miss, every time, is it’s not always someone in your party. Scream for civil liberties, as long it’s someone else’s, who you don’t ideologically agree with, that’s being violated…and the whole time, the beltway crew laughs at their scam while playing musical chairs.
“whoever’s sitting in those seat wields power that can be utilized for purely political purposes……and the whole time, the beltway crew laughs at their scam while playing musical chairs.”
Yep, that’s why democrats who ran for office screaming bloody murder about Bush violating the Constitution and wire taps – now agree with wiretaps.
Obama included.
Signs of things to come in America.
Soon our Doctors & Nurses & Staff will be asked to work for free, under ObamaCare.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526617,00.html
Report: British Airways Asks Staff to Work for Free
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Amway – exactly. Dems screamed about Bush’s spending/deficit/debt…then tripled it. They scream about “big business” and how horrible it is that they make a profit, while propping up lawyers to pillage the economy in every single transaction/lawsuit to become one of those evil “rich people”. Bush said he was a Conservative and spent like a liberal, yet they hate him for it. Obama runs on Conservative principles of “tax cuts for 95% of taxpayers”, while they bash Bush endlessly for cutting taxes. The merry-go-round of duplicity is the only proven perpetual motion machine ever built.
Only thing that can stop it, is a state petitioned Constitutional Convention.
I’ve heard from Doctors who believe ObamaCare will require Doctors, Nurses & Staff to cut their pay, pay higher taxes, and then work even longer hours then they already are to serve more ObamaCare patients.
Working more for less will induce many Doctors to no longer accept Medicare/ObamaCare patients or retire early, which will put even more stress on a healthcare system that has a major shortage of Doctors & Nurses today.
1/3 of today’s Doctors are over age 50, and likely in a position to retire.
ObamaCare will F-UP a health care system that satisfies the vast majority of Americans.
Instead of dealing with the small percentage of Americans without health care, Obama will F-UP the whole system for everybody. That’s the Rush-it-Through broad brush approach Obama has taken to solve the ‘financial crisis’, and look how well that is working.
But then, maybe the goal isn’t to fix things and solve problems. The goal appears to be control, and gaining power for Government.
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:21 am | Permalink
Only thing that can stop it, is a state petitioned Constitutional Convention.
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Or vote all da bums out of office in November 2010.
Still, there needs to be new Congressmen who will do the right thing. Doesn’t seem to be too many out there who are not just in office for their own personal gain.
Two Sides to Every Story.
Amazing what you find out when you find the Devil in the Details.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526495,00.html
Trooper Claims Dashboard Cam Upholds His Actions
“I’ve heard from Doctors who believe ObamaCare will require Doctors, Nurses & Staff to cut their pay, pay higher taxes, and then work even longer hours then they already are to serve more ObamaCare patients.”
JimJohnson:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-614-2/#comment-602264
Also, the CBO examined the Kennedy healthcare plan (the one he has been working on for over a year – before his brain drain).
It found that for 1 trillion dollars, the Kennedy HC Plan will only provide insurance to an estimated 16 million Americans.
The libs now have to eat their 46 million figure.
“I’ve heard from Doctors… ” whhhaa? Doctors are calling you up and offering their views?? Wow!
Researchers reported in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine that of more than 2,000 doctors surveyed, 59 percent said they support legislation to establish a national health insurance program, while 32 percent said they opposed it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSN3143203520080331
JJ – interesting logic as well, in that a lot of people can’t get insurance due to some form of pre-exisitng condition, ie, built in healthcare costs..yet according to Obama’s plan, he can spend $1T ($100B/yr) over 10 yrs to cover just 16M of the folks without insurance at a rate cheaper than private insurance ($2.2T/yr for roughly 260M people). There’s only one way to do it cheaper..and it’s just as you suggested, paying doctors/nurses less. Would be nice if they had to publish assumptions for questions/scrutiny, like you do in the business world when making a proposal to a bank/management/investors/etc. Might even be, dare I say, “transparent”.
Gee…wonder if future docs/nurses will seek jobs as lawyers or something else when they can’t make a lot of money in the medical field…but I’m just being silly, I know that once that happens, they can just blame Bush and pass yet another law/stimulus/whatever to fix that glaring hole, so why do it on the front end?
WASHINGTON — As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system. The A.M.A. is an umbrella group for 180 medical societies.
Oh there are those in the Medical Field who see ObamaCare as what it may be – at first.
Initially, ObamaCare may bring in more Revenue for the HealthCare industry.
Then, as the actual costs rise well beyond the $1 TRILLION estimate, pay rates for Doctors, Nurses, Staff, and Hospitals will have to be cut.
SAY, if the airline employees can work for Free, why can’t everybody?
Government will soon dictate everyone’s salary. (And the Sheep think that’s a good thing.)
Obama is bribing the AMA with promises of decreased exposure to litigation. Beware AMA, look at all the promises Obama has failed to keep already.
Obama bribes the AMA, Waxman bribes Congressmen… Exactly how good are the ideas when you have to bribe others to accept them?
From an evil rich doctors perspective: The government providing insurance for the badly estimated 46 million – will bring them more paying customers.
On first glance, who wouldn’t want more paying customers?
DavidB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink
“I’ve heard from Doctors… ” whhhaa? Doctors are calling you up and offering their views?? Wow!
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I have friends who are Doctors & Nurses David.
And the Demographics you can look up for yourself. 1/3 of today’s Doctors are at or close to retirement age.
Ask Pmomma how big a pay cut she wants to take, in exchange for paying higher taxes and working longer hours – To pay for ObamaCare.
JJ – “Or vote all da bums out of office in November 2010.
Still, there needs to be new Congressmen who will do the right thing. Doesn’t seem to be too many out there who are not just in office for their own personal gain.”
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Hence the need for a Const Convention. The SCOTUS has had 230+ yrs of daily 9-person Const Conventions of their own…not to mention scores of congresspersons/Presidents who’ve managed to twist their role even further in DC’s favor. “The people” have had only one CC..the first one. Time they had another. DC knows that the only issues that would garner enough support to get the 38 states required to ratify any amendment are things like: congressional/fed judge term limits, fed balanced budget, Pres line item veto, clarification of Pres war declaration powers, rededication of the 10th Amend on state soverignty (possibly even nullification rights) & campaign finance reform (like you can’t donate money outside your voting district/state).
A few others might get a lot of lipservice, but probably not 38 states worth of support, like going back to state legislatures picking Senators, elimination of czar/dept powers (EPA, Ed, Ag, Energy, Trans, etc), even just moving Depts out of DC to a more logical physical location (think HS on the Mexico border….)repealing the 16th (income tax), elimination of congressional committees in favor of newly elected “experts” with specific experience pertaining to committee with no powers of drafting/voting/killing bills just offering advice/holding hearings, eliminate the Fed Reserve, going back to gold standard…all sorts of fun stuff to talk about. The key being, none of it would be good for entrenched DC interests
and they know it. So the only way to stop the insanity is to stop it for them. Otherwise, we’re just waiting on China to cut us off.
“Obama is bribing the AMA with promises of decreased exposure to litigation”
Obama is bribing the doctors with promises of decreased exposure to litigation. This will break another Obama promise on not supporting tort reform.
The bribe is: “If you doctors will support smaller payments from federal insurers, Obama will put caps on civil suits.”
This will eventually lower the cost for malpractise insurance. Doctors KNOW how much malpractise insurance costs them annually to the penny.
The doctors are balancing the “potential” lower malpractise insurance payments against the lower revenue from the Fed patients.
All the doctors blue collar workers such as nurses, receptionists, insurance filers, and techs will see smaller pay checks.
And Obama will have just hosed a whole bunch of blue collar workers…
DFB there is danger in pursuing a Constitutional Convention. Obama and many libs – even on these blogs have called our Constitution, “An outdated document.”
Although I completely agree with a balanced budget amendment, a flat tax, and perhaps a line item veto, I have a greater fear of what we stand to lose.
On Taxing Health Insurance Benefits:
The employer share of health insurance premiums averages between $400/month for single coverage and $800/month for family coverage.
Say you are in the 15% tax bracket, then:
-If you have Single coverage, you will pay $720 more in taxes to get the same coverage you have today.
-If you have Family coverage, you will pay $1,440 more in taxes to get the same coverage you have today.
Plus you will pay even more taxes IF the deductibility of the health insurance premium you pay, goes away.
So much for Obama promising not to raise taxes on 95% of Americans.
http://www.usemploymentbenefits.com/health_insurance.asp
The new format of the on-line Eagle is great. I really like the photo gallery with the previews.
American_Way
Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink
And Obama will have just hosed a whole bunch of blue collar workers…
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A bunch more you mean.
How many Union employees has Government Motors and Chrysler layed-off?
WPE
brionyR,
What is your telephone number at the Eagle?
Amway – “Although I completely agree with a balanced budget amendment, a flat tax, and perhaps a line item veto, I have a greater fear of what we stand to lose.”
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That’s my point with the 38 state ratification. It’s nothing but a fear tactic when politicians scream “you could lose the 2nd!”..and of course libs scream “you could lose Roe v Wade!”…don’t know about R v W, but do you honestly believe they could come up with 38 states to repeal the 2nd?
A Const Conv is truly the only bi-partisan silver bullet to stop the beast they continue to feed. It would be losses of power for BOTH parties, which I’m totally cool with.
There’s a million things that could be brought up, that congress will never do. How about a national referendum option when the issue’s large enough (massive stimulus, healthcare, amnesty, etc), I mean good Lord, we have referendum ballots for whether or not to build an arena….think it might be more important to be able to vote on things much, much bigger? Or something like a ratification of SCOTUS decisions. Why does a congressional amendment require 38 states to validate, but in the SCOTUS only 5 unelected people to agree?
To me, the upside is absolutely enormous! The downside risk is just fear mongering to keep us from ever shuting down their scam.
“t found that for 1 trillion dollars, the Kennedy HC Plan will only provide insurance to an estimated 16 million Americans.”
Now Am Way that is not what the report says. It will cover 39 million people. It is just that 23 million of them already have insurance.
Amway – by the way, progressives have been saying the Const is outdated since the 1800’s, which is why the pursued the SCOTUS route to change it so hard. And like I said, they’ve had their chance at 230+ yrs of unabated 9 person Const Conventions in the SCOTUS (which they annointed upon themselves, it’s not in the Const as defined powers of the SCOTUS)…I think it’s our turn.
DFB, you figure out how to get us a balanced budget Amendment without me having to worry about the rest of our constitution being changed – and I’ll sign.
Of course you are right Hud. But I’m still at the 46 million number of uninsured (barf) that everyone is crying about minus 16 million.
We’ve still spent 1 trillion estimate (which for entitlements are always low and always go up) but haven’t helped 30 million Americans (barf).
If there ARE 46 million – by libs own count the Kennedy Plan sucks.
DavidB,
I did go to the link you provided. It opens with “Doctors Support Universal Care Plan”. But then discusses public health insurance only.
Universal health care is a broad concept that has been implemented in several ways.
Sometimes in involves just insurance coverage for everyone “universal”, it could involve
government control of health providers as government employees, it could include the
government ownership of the healthcare infrastructure (hospitals, clinics, equipment), and a myriad of other details.
I’m wondering what the polled 2,000 doctors actually support.
The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America´s largest physician organization.
The association agrees with Mr. Obama on some points. It says that individuals and families who can afford coverage should be required to obtain it.
Now, who gets to define, “afford”?
Democrats today
Republicans tomorrow
Independents someday
Another party?
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink
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Wow, what a bunch of Anti-government, anti-taxes, anti-american TRASH!!! Why do you people hate our Country??? WHY???
Many of the things in your above link are the very same things that are espoused by the group called Freemen…. as well as the group called Posse Commitatas…. BOTH of which are Right Wing Extremist groups… BOTH of which exist in Kansas… ALL of these tenets posted here on this Blog DAILY…
Take your anti-government, anti-txes, and anti-american TRASH somewhere else!!! Please!!
June 16, 2009
Ruling on NightJack author Richard Horton kills blogger anonymity
(Warren Smith)
Detective constable Richard Horton, writer of the NightJack blog
Frances Gibb, Legal Editor
Thousands of bloggers who operate behind the cloak of anonymity have no right to keep their identities secret, the High Court ruled today
In a landmark decision, Mr Justice Eady refused to grant an order to protect the anonymity of a police officer who is the author of a blog called NightJack.
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So those who post under the guise of privacy had better beware.
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Does this ruling apply to the United States?
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 12:11 pm | Permalink
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You need to do some serious reading on the Constitution, AND the SCOTUS… You are severely mentally challenged on BOTH… And your points of contention simply, plainly, spell: REVOLUTION (with strong hints of overthrow)
Under which Article/Section of the Constitution do you find a definition of “Constitutional Convention”? Or are you just making it up in your private fantasy land??
Chas – nice rant, freak. Read much? Good book for you, by a liberal, Larry Sabato called “A More Perfect Constitution”, weird…he suggest many of these same things…huh.
But of course, in your usual fashion, you add absolutely ZERO content or intelligence, just rant, throw out “EXTREMIST”, “RWE”, etc, etc, etc. But it was a nice attempt at employing the same tired lib strategy of being a termagent when you got no game…smells more of miasma or something feculant.
Chas has brain damage.
Of course not, Daniel… It’s total fear mongering, which is all the RWE have left!!
Beware of the Extremists…. Anti-Americans ALL!!
chas is NOT an entomologist .
Daniel sometimes you appear to be very uninformed. Today is one of those days.
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Chass in your blind acceptance of anything Obama says and does and attacking anyone who might not think he can walk on water you are starting to be irrelevant.
Chas – well thank you for PROVING you don’t read. Article V. 2 ways to amend it. Congress proposes an amendment for ratification or 2/3’s of states (or radical America haters as you believe…guess those darn founders musta been part of the crew to give them radicals a method to participate…buncha haters) to petition congress for a convention. Let me guess, in your “fantasy world”, the 10th amendment means nothing, or as standard lib brainwashing goes “we took care of that loophole in the 1860’s!!”
But yeah, you’re sooooooo pusillanimous…would be so anti-American to allow people a voice in how they’re governed again…
Chas have you been sneaking extra koolaid? You have jumped to the front of the bandwagon of koolaid drinkers who lable anyone opposed to YOUR point of view as terrorists. The idea that “patriotic” Americans like paying taxes does not make it true.
The Constitution allows for changes – as Thomas Jefferson advocated. Any other comments about “anti-Americans by you are unsubstantiated.
“who might not think he can walk on water”
According to Obama he can not longer walk on water since getting the holes in his hands and feet.
okobserver
Posted June 16, 2009 at 1:09 pm | Permalink
Daniel sometimes you appear to be very uninformed. Today is one of those days.
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Please don’t leave me hanging, okobserver….inform me.
Chas expounds: “You need to do some serious reading on the Constitution, AND the SCOTUS… You are severely mentally challenged on BOTH…”
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You’re a perfect example of those who shouldn’t open their mouth to prove what idiots they are. Have you actually read, or more likely, had someone read the Constitution to you??
“Ariticle V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by conventions in three fourths thereof……”
Yeah, I know they use big words for you…like “State”….so here it is so you can have someone read it and explain it to you.
pusillanimous /miasma /feculent
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This is what I really enjoy about WE Blog in general and DFB’s posts specifically. My vocabulary grows by leaps and bounds every day.
Oh Daniel, you are certainly not supportive of antidisestablishmentarianism.
OK, So, I forgot about the 2/3 of state legislatures calling for a convention… But aside from that far-reaching possibility, you are talking mostly in Article V about amendments…. I do believe the 10th Amendment is older than the 1860’s, however…
OK, So, I forgot about the 2/3 of state legislatures calling for a convention… But aside from that far-reaching possibility, you are talking mostly in Article V about amendments…. I do believe the 10th Amendment is older than the 1860’s, however…
OK, So, I forgot about the 2/3 of state legislatures calling for a convention… But aside from that far-reaching possibility, you are talking mostly in Article V about amendments…. I do believe the 10th Amendment is older than the 1860’s, however…
OK, So, I forgot about the 2/3 of state legislatures calling for a convention… But aside from that far-reaching possibility, you are talking mostly in Article V about amendments…. I do believe the 10th Amendment is older than the 1860’s, however…
American_Way
Posted June 16, 2009 at 1:14 pm | Permalink
“who might not think he can walk on water”
According to Obama he can not longer walk on water since getting the holes in his hands and feet.
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Difference between O’bama and God?……..
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God doesn’t think he’s O’bama.
Now that Chas has been proven to not know the US Constitution, he comes back ready to further discuss what he knows nothing about.
“…anyone opposed to YOUR point of view as terrorists.” [AmWay]
Oh please, idiot, please show where I have called any right winger a terrorist… That should take you a lonnnng time searching, cause, hey, it aint there!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31373407
Obama refuses to release the names of visitors to the White House.
The Obama administration is fighting to block access to names of visitors to the White House, taking up the Bush administration argument that a president doesn’t have to reveal who comes calling to influence policy decisions.
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Hey, CONs? Remember when I said that all the priviliges that Bush usurped would later be enjoyed by Democratic Presidents?
Yeah.
Enjoy away.
Crap-on America- Hey, CONs? Remember when I said that all the priviliges that Bush usurped would later be enjoyed by Democratic Presidents?
Yeah.
Enjoy away.
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Yeah, “Bush’s fault.”
nit.
Just one more ‘Bama failure to add to the list.
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Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 1:29 pm | Permalink
OK, So, I forgot about the 2/3 of state legislatures calling for a convention… But aside from that far-reaching possibility, you are talking mostly in Article V about amendments…. I do believe the 10th Amendment is older than the 1860’s, however…
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Evidently you also forgot that clicking on the reply button more than once will send multiple messages. :)
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 12:54 pm | Permalink
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 11:43 am | Permalink
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Wow, what a bunch of Anti-government, anti-taxes, anti-american TRASH!!! Why do you people hate our Country??? WHY???
Many of the things in your above link are the very same things that are espoused by the group called Freemen…. as well as the group called Posse Commitatas…. BOTH of which are Right Wing Extremist groups… BOTH of which exist in Kansas… ALL of these tenets posted here on this Blog DAILY…
Take your anti-government, anti-txes, and anti-american TRASH somewhere else!!! Please!!
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You know Chas,
There was a fairly civil discussion going on today until you arrived and started calling everyone anti-American and other names.
You of all people.
You who complain all the time about trolls, posting definitions repeatedly, and name calling, and now you do the same.
Chas in his 1:53pm post was simply following
The Third Process:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-616-2/comment-page-4/#comment-603123
Chas, you must go through a Verification Campaign, to ensure all your party members are clean, and in lock-step with your Party Leaders.
You must use whatever means possible to cleanse away those who might oppose your view.
Chas, please reference the use of
The First Process:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-616-2/comment-page-4/#comment-603094
And make sure your party controls the media and Freedom of Speech to make sure opposing views are not heard.
OK, goon squad, IF you could get a Constitutional Convention, just what would you be proposing be changed in the Document??
Keep in mind, some of your numbers have posted many times that the COTUS is NOT a living document….
But, do tell…. what parts of COTUS would you change by amendments???
Chas please reference the
The First Process:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-616-2/comment-page-4/#comment-603094
And make sure you call those who oppose the current and proposed Socialist programs by the correct name:
Kulaks
According to Marxism-Leninism, the kulaks were a class enemy of the poorer peasants. From this theory’s point of view, poor peasants and farm laborers had to be liberated by the revolution alongside the proletariat (the urban workers). In addition, the planned economy required the collectivization of farms and land to allow industrialization of large-scale agricultural production. The “state of workers and farmers” desired to remove the kulaks as a class and presented them with the option of integrating into the new classless system with equal rights. However, many resisted these changes and organized subversive activities against the new collectives with the help of former tsarist military.
(You see Chas, there will many Americans who resist the Government’s takeover of their private assets, and continued attack on their Freedom. These are not un-American people, these are Kulaks.)
Johnson, do you actually think I put any credence into your “processes”??? I guess that makes you a legenbd in your own mind…
What’s a legenbd?
Chas – yes, the 10th is older than the 1860’s. Most libs believe that through the Civil War and Lincoln’s ignoring of the Constitution, as in the 10th Amend state soverignty, blockading US ports even though by law he could only block “foreign” ports, and the ignoring of Nullification clauses held in state consititutions prior to the Civil War (Kentucky, S Carolina and I forget which other state), that they effectively neutered states rights via precedent, thereby making the 10th meaningless.
Hence my qutoations around “we took care of that in the 1860’s”, a quote from Chris Mathews regarding TX Gov Rick Perry’s comments on state soverignty.
Now, maybe you can explain exactly where anything I said or proposed was “anti-American”…because apparently term limits are all good for the Pres (a gift from Congress) & a lot of state legislatures, line item veto power is cool for a lot of Governors, referendum ballots are cool for states/counties/municipalities, balanced budgets are required in ALL states…and this is where it gets really addlepated (just for you Daniel)…it’s all in the United States…
Garsh, Johnson, your solution is quite simple… Take your butt and your possessions to Russia, and join the Kulaks…
Cause if you try it here, you will just be plain old ordinary Anti-American enemy combatants… Welcome to Gitmo!! LOL
I’m sorry Chas, labeling the opposition as Kulaks
is part of the Second Process:
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-616-2/comment-page-4/#comment-603112
(The Processes followed to force Communism sometimes overlap.)
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 2:07 pm | Permalink
Johnson, do you actually think I put any credence into your “processes”??? I guess that makes you a legenbd in your own mind…
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Those who choose to ignore history, are doomed to repeat it.
Chas – to answer your question about what amendments could be proposed…read my earlier post when I suggested it in the first place…before you accused me of being a revolutionary “Freeman” RWE. It was at 11:43am.
As for the 10th Amend..it was part of that silly thing called the “Bill of Rights”..you know the part that the 13 colonies required before they agreed to ratify the entire Const..the 10th being spelled out redundantly because they couldn’t trust the Federalists “word” that the intent of the body of the COTUS wasn’t to usurp State soveriegnty.
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Permalink
Garsh, Johnson, your solution is quite simple… Take your butt and your possessions to Russia, and join the Kulaks…
Cause if you try it here, you will just be plain old ordinary Anti-American enemy combatants… Welcome to Gitmo!! LOL
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Your honor,
The Prosecution Rests.
‘Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States ‘
http://www.globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts
Yes I see your point DFB at 11:43.
I share the same concerns expressed by AmWay at 11:51.
Why are we still listening to this guy?
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/26747/
“…term limits are all good for the Pres (a gift from Congress) & a lot of state legislatures, line item veto power is cool for a lot of Governors, referendum ballots are cool for states/counties/municipalities, balanced budgets are required in ALL states…and this is where it gets really addlepated (just for you Daniel)…it’s all in the United States…” [BFD] errr [DFB]
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It’s ALL in the Constitution, as well… So, give the line item veto to the Pres… That doesnt take a COTUS change… and all of those referendum ballots for states/counties/municipalities… That’s all part of the 10th Amendment….
Ummmm… those States you note during the Civil War era were a part of the Confederate States of Ameica… not the UNITED States of America… They had no States’ Rights in the USA… That was by their OWN Choice… Lincoln didnt have anything to do with it, except for holler about it…. (holler for them thar Kentuckyans)
So, DFB, if you want all of those things for the States, then you OPPOSE the 10th Amendment…
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American_Way
Posted June 16, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
Oh Daniel, you are certainly not supportive of antidisestablishmentarianism.
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No, but I have been described as supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
JJ – what is it you believe you would “lose” should a Convention take place? The last time a convention was closed to being called, 32 states had petitioned, Congress scrambled and repealed Prohibition to keep them from doing it. That tells me they’ve got a lot more to lose than we ever could. Besides, no matter what the proposed amendment is, it takes 38 states to ratify it…how many issues can honestly garner 38 states? Take guns, do you honestly think TX, GA, SC, TN, OK, AR, AL, AK, MO, NE, ND, SD, MT, WY, ID, IA, AZ…that’s 17 states already…would vote to eliminate the 2nd Amend?? It would have a better chance of being clarified to ensure the right to bear arms than it would to have it taken away.
Daniel – it’s two-for-Tuesday, so here’s a few more vocabulary words for ya to help spruce up debate in the future:
logorrhea – think Joe Biden
pococurante
carbuncle – this one could be useful daily!
booboisie – what DC thinks of us
defenestration – could be handy on this blog also
coprophiliac – goes well with feculant or miasma
calumny – Chas just performed it well
inanity – displayed daily here
unctuous – also diplayed here daily
Good points DFB at 2:24.
It’s happened so infrequently, I need to study the matter and brush up on history, rather then spouting off like some id io ts around here do.
Chas wrote: “So, DFB, if you want all of those things for the States, then you OPPOSE the 10th Amendment…”
Man..you really should stop while you’re behind…the 10th Amendment is solely ABOUT State’s rights…geez! I OPPOSE those that think that 10th is meaningless and trample on it…ie, see all Presidents since the 1860’s!
DFB,
Just making this post to be sure that you don’t get the wrong impression. I was not poking fun. English is a beautiful language and it’s nice to see someone utilizing it to a fuller extent than most.
I think the Texas secessionist idea really fills the bill for you guys… you could make it a conservative paradise down there… of course, the USAv2 would probably have to run a humanitarian airlift into Austin after the Wall goes up..
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JJ – you hit my point on the head. It’s happened so infrequently..exactly once..the very first Const Convention…that’s it’s obvious DC doesn’t want it to happens. I don’t even really care if actually happens, but it sure as H sends a better message than e-mailing your congresspersons…it’s the true leverage left in the hands of the people when elections aren’t getting it done…worse yet, incumbents skew the process dramatically in their favor to make even more sure that elections don’t mess up their gig.
And whatya know..DavidB chimes in with the crackpot Dem talking point of “secessionist!”. Since you’re the only one that brought it up..guess you must be in support of it!
…the 10th Amendment is solely ABOUT State’s rights…” [BFD] ooops [DFB]
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Yea, it sure is… SO, why are you bellering for the Congress to have the rights reserved for the STATES?? That in itself would obliterate the 10th Amendment… And that by your OWN words… not mine…
Daniel – I took it exactly how you explained it. It’s gets ennui listening to the same lame adjectives/petty names used daily…so I mix it up just to keep from causing too much insouciance. :)
;-> indicates a light-hearted comment
DFB,
Is the 10th solely about states rights or does it also refer to rights of the individual?
I’ll tell you why I ask. My default position is that unless I, as an adult, am directly infringing upon the rights of another, the state better have a damned compelling reason for restricting my actions.
Chas – what the H are you talking about??? How exactly are term limits, a fed bal budget, line item veto, etc, etc, etc, obliterating State’s rights?? Can you explain the mental gymnastics you’re trying to pull off to make that case?
Let me type s l o w l y for you…here is what I’d prefer to see in a nutshell….weaker fed govt, stronger state govt. Now feel free to explain exactly how that obliterates the 10th.
DFB — this is your 11:43 post… You dont list any amendments in this post… You just post a bunch of extremist feculence…..
SO, Answer my original question >>>>
“OK, goon squad, IF you could get a Constitutional Convention, just what would you be proposing be changed in the Document??
Keep in mind, some of your numbers have posted many times that the COTUS is NOT a living document….
But, do tell…. what parts of COTUS would you change by amendments???” [upthread]
Oh yea, be specific…
Oooops…
DFB, your 11:43 post >>>>
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-616-2/comment-page-5/#comment-603301
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink
OK, goon squad, IF you could get a Constitutional Convention, just what would you be proposing be changed in the Document??
Keep in mind, some of your numbers have posted many times that the COTUS is NOT a living document….
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Many think the Constitution is a Living Document because THAT is what is indoctrinated through the Public Schools.
There’s a difference between Judges creating Constitutional laws where none exist (the Living Constitution approach) and in creating Constitutional laws (through Amendments).
The former is not allowed by the Constitution, the latter is allowed by the Constitution.
Daniel
The 10th is summarized by simply saying that the Fed Govt is granted only the powers/rights specifically granted to them by the Const, and all others are retained by the States. The idea being the fed govt should be weak relative to state govts so govt could be closer to those governed and thereby more effective. Another simple way to look at is, could you have more impact with your state legislator who probably lives less than 10 miles away from you, or on a national legislator in DC? The original colonies fought to get away from centralized power (a king) and didn’t want the fed govt to become just another quasi-king, so they wanted the 10th Amend to be part of the Const before they’d ratify it.
The first 9 Amendments (1-10 = the “Bill of Rights”) are more directed towards specific individual rights, as well as State Constitutions.
Correction — extremist feulence should be extremist flatulence…. feculence would imply substance… LOL
I wasn’t aware that Chas was a constitutional scholar.
No wait, he’s not.
The 10th Amendment ?
Oh, chas thought you meant his 10th dependant. His bad.
Chas – you’re reading comprehension is underwhelming….because I never mentioned anything about term limits, line item veto, etc, etc, etc in my 11:43 posting…
“DC knows that the only issues that would garner enough support to get the 38 states required to ratify any amendment are things like: congressional/fed judge term limits, fed balanced budget, Pres line item veto, clarification of Pres war declaration powers, rededication of the 10th Amend on state soverignty (possibly even nullification rights) & campaign finance reform (like you can’t donate money outside your voting district/state).
A few others might get a lot of lipservice, but probably not 38 states worth of support, like going back to state legislatures picking Senators, elimination of czar/dept powers (EPA, Ed, Ag, Energy, Trans, etc), even just moving Depts out of DC to a more logical physical location (think HS on the Mexico border….)repealing the 16th (income tax), elimination of congressional committees in favor of newly elected “experts” with specific experience pertaining to committee with no powers of drafting/voting/killing bills just offering advice/holding hearings, eliminate the Fed Reserve, going back to gold standard…”
How does that jr high girl saying go….”oops!” My only wish is that you don’t pullulate.
Oh yea, I forgot… Public Schools… yet another anti-American postulation of right wing extremists… So happy you reminded me of another one of your Anti-government positions…
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
Let me type s l o w l y for you…here is what I’d prefer to see in a nutshell….weaker fed govt, stronger state govt. ==========================================
How American of you!
I SAID be specific… not just re-post your previous flatulence…. ID 10 t
Chas – just in case you’re wondering what “rededication of the 10th” means…but yeah, you’re definitely an expert in flatulence and feculance…you da man in those subjects.
Chas – Cheese & Rice!!!!!! How can I be more specific than list out about 20 possible freaking amendment proposals????????? Are you really that stupid or do you just play an idiot on TV?
It’s days like this where I miss GMC70, and discussions around law and the commerce clause for example.
I see why he rarely shows up.
I liked your list DFB, and agree with most of it.
I’d prefer a modified flat tax to a sales tax though. And I see little chance that the 16th will go away – would that not take away Social Security/Medicare taxes as well?
Chas REALLY tries this time to earn his lib merit badge: “Oh yea, I forgot… Public Schools… yet another anti-American postulation of right wing extremists… So happy you reminded me of another one of your Anti-government positions…”
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Maybe you can point exactly where I said anything about getting rid of public schools…then again maybe you can’t because I never said that. Look, rocket surgeon, the Federal Dept of Education does not make up public schools. You see, goober, public schools are run at state & local levels…the Dept of Ed is just a federally redundant waste of money.
DFB you are so right about the states right to gov themselves. Think of the overhead that could be saved in eleminating duplicate tasks. The census could be done by the states because they are most impacted by the results. Representation would be more local as you have said.
Nobody hanging around DC all year to do a little bit of nothing but take more from us. Both parties are complicite in this. What we pay out in congressmen and senators pension is a major debt for the lifetime of the reps. Their healthcare is primo. Also borne by us.
Chas fails to see the forsest because he is behind that demo tree and thinks that any criticism is aimed at Obama.
JJ – I agree the 16th wouldn’t get repealed, which is why I put in the 2nd half of the list of things that wouldn’t get 38 state’s support. Flat or Fair Tax either one would make sense to me…as long as they were coupled with a “Fair Spending” adder, because the form of taxation is meaningless with continued deficit spending.
Ok – exactly! As we talked about yesterday…neither side seems to see the insanity of building goliath in DC, then just complaining about it when the other party takes over and expands it more. The silliness of sending money to DC, so they can decide how to send it back out to states is just as illogical, hence my comment about the discussion of either eliminating a lot of redundant fed depts, or moving them out of DC to an area where it makes more sense. For example, Dept of Ag in Omaha, Homeland Sec in Phoenix, Dept of Energy in Houston, etc, etc.
The Dept of Energy was formed by Carter in the 70’s with it’s sole purpose being to make us energy independent…now they’ve got 100K employees/contractors…and what results do they have to show for the last 39 yrs? Only in DC could performance like that be heralded as crucial to our long-term economic health.
Gov has got to learn to live within it’s means as we all do. California is a prime example of what deficit spending does longterm. They have to raise taxes today or default on payroll for state employees and payments on previous loans they have taken to finance their past over spending.
Both parties do this. I think what has brought it to the forefront is that Obama has speeded up the process to an unpresedented level.
It has to stop!
DFB,
I understand the concept of local control and generally agree. My question relates to the Constitution and individual rights. I’ve heard people say that there is no right to privacy guaranteed in the COTUS. The first 8 amendments spell out individual rights that are guaranteed by the COTUS…right to free speech, right to bear arms, right against self-incrimination, etc…
Then we get to the 9th which says, paraphrasing, ‘just because we didn’t specify each and every right doesn’t mean that those rights don’t exist.’
I guess my questions is do you think there is there a guaranteed right to privacy in the COTUS?
JJ – the commerce clause, general welfare clause & necessary and proper clause would make for beautiful debate at a Const Conv. No 3 sentences in the Const have been abuse more.
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:02 pm | Permalink
You see, goober, public schools are run at state & local levels…the Dept of Ed is just a federally redundant waste of money.
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Amen.
And look how effective the DOE has been! (Chas)
Daniel you might be referring to something I said the other day. I believe that the right to privacy is indeed a right. What I said is that this was how Roe V Wade was decided that it was a ‘right to privacy’ matter.
Many think that the right to life is a right that is violated when the life of the unborn is taken and therefore this ‘right’ was awarded in error.
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:12 pm | Permalink
JJ – the commerce clause, general welfare clause & necessary and proper clause would make for beautiful debate at a Const Conv. No 3 sentences in the Const have been abuse more.
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The commerce clause issue might be fixed that way.
I see all kinds of harm that could come from clarifying the LIST of things people would want included in the welfare clause.
Or even worse, they could say EVERYTHING, BUT is included in the welfare clause, and then have a short list of what is NOT included.
gotta go daughter needs me to go with her… have fun talking to yourselves… remember, DHS might be watching!!! LOL
okobserver
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
Chas fails to see the forsest because he is behind that demo tree and thinks that any criticism is aimed at Obama.
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Much criticism IS aimed at Obama, but so what? Is that not ALLOWED?
Daniel – I honestly don’t know about a specific right spelled out in terms of privacy. Looks like it’s a common question though. Looks like it’s wrapped up inherently in several amendments (1st, 9th & 14th primarily).
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html
Maybe Obama can’t take the heat?
okobserver,
Actually my question to DFB had nothing to do with a post that you made the other day.
JJ – agreed, Commerce Clause should be easiest to fix…although that was its intent in the first place and look what’s happened since…SCOTUS & especially FDR expanded it to all kinds of crazy things, all starting with the case during the depression of the farmer growing wheat for his family and FDR deciding that wasn’t legal because he was trying to keep prices high, so this farmer was therefore impacting the interstate markets by not buying his grain from it….so even it might require more work that would seem.
General welfare is a tough one to as you pointed out.
Necessary & Proper has been twisted so many ways as well, to mean pretty much whatever a Pres/Congress says it means. Don’t have a good answer on that one either, but the debate on proposed ways to shore up the meanings would be very interesting!
Daniel – did the link I posted help answer your question?
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:05 pm | Permalink
JJ – I agree the 16th wouldn’t get repealed, which is why I put in the 2nd half of the list of things that wouldn’t get 38 state’s support. Flat or Fair Tax either one would make sense to me…as long as they were coupled with a “Fair Spending” adder, because the form of taxation is meaningless with continued deficit spending.
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Only 1/2 meaningless. I’ve always supported both spending cuts and tax cuts. Government may Never stop spending, but at least cut the taxes and get keep that hand from taking everything out of my back pocket.
Look what happened to Bush 1. He broke his promise to not increase taxes with the promise from the Democrat Congress to cut spending in order to balance the budget. Guess what happened – more taxes and more spending. Congress never keeps its promise to cut spending.
So if Government is always going to run deficits, then he11, why not at least cut taxes. (Since it can’t do both)
DFB,
Yeah, those were the lines I was thinking along. I think it’s a crucial question in terms of individual liberty. Many things that are designated as crimes at the state or local level should not be considered crimes at all, in my opinion.
Instead of arguing that there is No Right to Privacy, why not show in the Constitution where there Is a Right to Privacy.
I don’t see it.
That would be a good amendment to add though.
Oh, and thanks for the link.
“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. ”
This sounds like a reasonable reference to privacy to me.
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JimJohnson
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:30 pm | Permalink
Instead of arguing that there is No Right to Privacy, why not show in the Constitution where there Is a Right to Privacy.
I don’t see it.
That would be a good amendment to add though.
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If it’s there, it’s not specifically spelled out. Read the 9th and then the 10th.
Opponents of the concept of an individual right to privacy argue that ‘the people’ referenced in the 9th should be interpreted as ‘the states.’ But then, when you read the 10th, the framers specifically differentiate between ‘the states’ and ‘the people.’
I guess any one individual’s interpretation would probably reflect their individual views on personal liberty.
And President Obama is following President Bush’s precedent, KIA, of throwing people into prison before they have even committed a crime. That can’t be charged because they aren’t guilty of anything.
Which is what I kept telling you.
When you give dictatorial powers to YOUR guy, you give dictatorial powers to OUR guy too . . .
CraponAmerika-
touts-When you give dictatorial powers to YOUR guy, you give dictatorial powers to OUR guy too . . .
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The government’s refusal to release the records contrasts with President Barack Obama’s pledge of transparency.
One more ‘bama lie.
Capn – which is why exactly why a Const Conv is the only truly bi-partisan solution to fixing power grabs that are handed off and expanded on from every single administration. Neither party will ever reduce their toy chest willingly.
You are correct, BiASSed.
It is indeed contrary to Obama’s campaign pledge.
And there you see the difference between Liberal and CON.
The CON justifies whatever his candidate does whenever he does it. The Liberal holds his candidate to standards.
You made the case that Bush had the right to secrecy, and now you get to enjoy Pres. O having that same “right.”
Get used to it.
CraponAmerica-
Spews- You made the case that Bush had the right to secrecy, and now you get to enjoy Pres. O having that same “right.”
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Never did, but let’s just say I did.
‘bama promised “tranparency”
‘bama won’t release the records.
‘bama is hiding the truth from the American people.
‘bama is a liar.
Capn – whatever.
JJ – there’s actually an interesting angle on a Const Conv as well, for some lawyer out there wanting to make a name for him/herself. Article V doesn’t carry any definition of an expiration date on a State’s petition, nor does it require specific issues to be declared. In our history, 45 states have petitioned congress, with 3 repealing theirs, leaving 42 outstanding petitions. In theory, one could argue that a convention could be called right now.
Get used to it.
CapnAmerica
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:36 pm | Permalink
And President Obama is following President Bush’s precedent, KIA, of throwing people into prison before they have even committed a crime. That can’t be charged because they aren’t guilty of anything.
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I’m not even sure what you’re talking about.
Who has Obama thrown in prison?
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:24 pm | Permalink
the debate on proposed ways to shore up the meanings would be very interesting!
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Yes. To me the heart of the matter is your view on what is the proper role of Government.
The scope of Government then determines what it does and how big and powerful it is.
It would be interesting to see if anyone could agree to a short basic list, then incrementally expand on it, to get a consensous on the core role of Government. Finding that stopping point, the line that should not be crossed, was a hotly debated issue 230 years ago.
let me see if I understand that. capn was spewing spit on his screen anytime bush did something he didn’t like. but..now his hero, bho, is doing pretty much the same thing, and it is perfectly fine with capn.
Annnnnd, he furthers this logic with “he did it first” Makes me wonder if capn is also sticking out his tongue and going “nanner nanner nanner” along with his 3 grade mentality?
Raptor
Posted June 16, 2009 at 4:49 pm | Permalink
let me see if I understand that. capn was spewing spit on his screen anytime bush did something he didn’t like. but..now his hero, bho, is doing pretty much the same thing, and it is perfectly fine with capn.
Annnnnd, he furthers this logic with “he did it first” Makes me wonder if capn is also sticking out his tongue and going “nanner nanner nanner” along with his 3 grade mentality?
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Yes, and yes.
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:59 pm | Permalink
JJ – there’s actually an interesting angle on a Const Conv as well, for some lawyer out there wanting to make a name for him/herself. Article V doesn’t carry any definition of an expiration date on a State’s petition, nor does it require specific issues to be declared. In our history, 45 states have petitioned congress, with 3 repealing theirs, leaving 42 outstanding petitions. In theory, one could argue that a convention could be called right now.
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Right, I don’t see a time limit.
I wonder if we’d be better off adding more Amendments, or having just one Amendment to repeal 5 or 6 Amendments?
Maybe a combination approach would be best.
I’d like to see an Amendment that requires Congress to delete 10 laws before it can pass 1 additional law. Over time, we might get back to where we need to be.
JJ – you’re exactly right. It was a hotly debated issue 230 yrs ago and it’s about time for the debate again. Back then, it was between the Federalists (big govt) and the republicans. George Washington & Alexander Hamilton were both big Federalists, so literally from the very first SCOTUS/Fed Judge nominees, they loaded the courts up with Federalist judges (except maybe John Jay, who he owed a political favor to). That’s my point about the 9 SCOTUS judges having their own Const Conventions ever since. Justice Marshal was probably the first activist judge to walk on the Const. The “elastic clause” (nec & proper) was first twisted by Hamilton to get his version of the “federal reserve” done.
Like I said, some lawyer(s) somewhere could make a serious name for themselves just by bringing a convention to fruition to define all of these loopholes that have been abused since the inception.
Transnationalism isn’t even new. Justice Edward White argued in defense of the draft’s constitutionality during WWI, that essentially whatever the Kaiser could do, so could Wilson…
Don’t know if you’re a reader, but if you’re interested in the Const, “The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution” by Kevin Gutzman & “A More Perfect Constitution” by Larry Sabato are good reads.
from the LA times..today…(small snip)
“There’s a lot of people in the federal government saying: ‘Do this. You Must do that. We’re the boss,’ ” said Republican state Rep. Brad
Klippert, co-sponsor of sovereignty legislation pending in Olympia,Wash. “That’s not true.”
Several Republican governors, including Sarah Palin in Alaska, Mark Sanford in South Carolina and Rick Perry in Texas, have gone beyond
Symbolism, turning down a portion of federal stimulus funds — and Rejecting the strings attached — as a way of expressing their
Independence from Washington. That has sometimes meant going to court And fighting fellow lawmakers eager to accept the money.
The latest movement appears aimed at Obama, who, in just a few months,has increased the size and scope of the federal government more
dramatically than any president in decades.
“I wonder if we’d be better off adding more Amendments, or having just one Amendment to repeal 5 or 6 Amendments?
Maybe a combination approach would be best.”
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The key is, none of those approaches are available currently, because Congress will never give up the reigns. Besides, most of them all think they’re going to be Pres someday, so they won’t touch those power issues either. The only way, is to bring the issues to light for clarification, amendment or repeal is through a state petitioned convention.
Mr_Kia
Posted June 16, 2009 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. ”
This sounds like a reasonable reference to privacy to me.
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Except it doesn’t go far enough, in my opinion.
Is the protection limited to: “unreasonable searches and seizures”?
What is reasonable?
Is viewing and photographing my house from a satellite and putting photos on Google Earth a violation?
You know Chas,
“There was a fairly civil discussion going on today until you arrived and started calling everyone anti-American and other names.”
You know JJ, after reflecting on the good discussions going on today, I had to go back and review. I don’t think anyone was insulting, name-calling, or disruptive today – on any thread, until Chas and Bluejay showed up.
That should tell you something.
Well Monkeyhawk being the exception, but most posters know him for what he is.
Amway…bj and chas prove daily that they not only have never read the blog’s rules, but they place themselves above it. If questioned, their standard response is “HE STARTED IT”….
childishness to the extreme…insults, rude behavior, and childish excuses for doing it.
“Is viewing and photographing my house from a satellite and putting photos on Google Earth a violation?”
Ancient Latin saying: Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad caelum et ad inferos (”To whoever owns the land, shall belong the earth to its center and up to the heavens.”).
The first legal limits placed on air rights came about because of the airplane. Eventually, owners only had rights to airspace that they could reasonably use.
Specifically, the Federal Aviation Act provides that: “The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States.” The act defines navigable airspace as “airspace above the minimum altitudes of flight…including airspace needed to ensure the safety in the takeoff and landing of aircraft.”
Your question still stands JJ. In a sense, the US Government owns the property next store. Can they take pictures from next door of your property?
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 2:07 pm | Permalink
Johnson, do you actually think I put any credence into your “processes”??? I guess that makes you a legenbd in your own mind…
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And Chas ignores History.
He thinks these are “processes” I dreamed-up.
These are processes used in the past to enslave the people of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.
I referenced the author, book title, and date of publication, however Chas refuses to read and would rather accuse me of making stuff up.
The truth hurts sometimes, when you cut to the bone. Some would prefer to wear rose colored glasses, and believe in the tooth fairy.
(CNN) — An anti-abortion activist’s interviews with journalists prompted a judge to increase his bail in a case stemming from the murder of a Wichita, Kansas, doctor, court records show.
Scott Roeder is charged in the death of Dr. George Tiller.
The judge cited “a responsibility for public safety” when he increased Scott Roeder’s bail fourfold, from $5 million to $20 million, according to a court transcript obtained by CNN Tuesday.
You’re right, “American_Way” –
I am an exceptional participant in this forum.
It must hurt to see your beloved leader following the same path and the same plan used by the Communists 65 years ago.
But then, those who are ignorant, might think Communism was bliss.
Ummmm IIRC, the Constitution wasnt completed until 1787… Less than 230 years ago…
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/intro.html
Wasnt Ratified until May, 1789… When you are conversing about demolishing one of the greatest documents created, the least you can do is get your dates correct!!
And the whole documnent was proposed, debated, and written in Secrecy… no transparency for the Founders…
Jim, you are posting way over some peoples heads here.
The libs are still shouting, “change”. They haven’t taken off their headphones long enough to look around and see the signs of America drifting away.
Communism was the result before – something like that is surely coming with Obama.
Johnson must stupidly believe that WE now live in the Soviet Union… in Europe… 65(?) years ago?? Dude, the Soviet Union thing started percolating in 1917… Again, whose calendar are you looking at?? In 1944, the Soviets were one of our allies in WW II…
If you want to talk about ignorant, and just wrong, look in your mirror…. if you have a reflection, that is… :-)
You’re right AmWay.. Johnson is posting out in some ethereal universe… “somewhere over the rainbow”
Chas, can you disagree with facts and not be insulting?
You are again showing your lack of knowledge.
(like on the constitution change procedures)
The USSR was not the real subject matter from Johnson now was it? Besides, we were reluctant allies in WWII. If you knew history you would realize Hitler/Stalin had a nonaggression pact which divided Poland between them.
Anyway, look at the posts JJ provided. Look at the satellite nations. The iron curtain. Look at the puppet governments the soviets formed. Look at the socialist and communist methodology used repeatedly throughout occupied eastern europe.
Once you do, you might think – before being so quick to put down another posters information.
Reverend.
“Communism was the result before – something like that is surely coming with Obama.” [AmWay]
Just more of the Party of NO’s hate/fear mongering… Same stuff.. Different day!! LOL
MANY people are happy to see some change we can believe in… and a President who is “out and about” — visiting other nations… taking his wife out to dinner and a play… or out shopping… The way it should be!! We’ve had enough Presidents who hide out at Camp David, or clearing brush on an imaginary ranch… or yachting in maine with family (Yea, Kennedy at Hyannisport too)
I LIKE to see Obama dong quality things with his family… I would think that with so many on the RIGHT who espouse strong family values, that they would be reveling in this new look at the White House…
Poor conservatives… damned if you do, and damned if you dont… poor wittle victims…
A diehard liberal on Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWulnfog20c&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ehuffingtonpost%2Ecom%2F2009%2F06%2F14%2Fbill%2Dmaher%2Dtakes%2Don%2Dobama%5Fn%5F215338%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded
Later Gators. I’ll check back later to see if the disruptive ones are gone.
(Chas… shush.. they are busy re-writing the Constitution…)
Oh yea, read some good stuff on the “GLORIOUS CZAR” that Lenin and his followers wanted to over-throw… to set Russia free from the Tyranny of the Nobility…
I will never approve of Lenin’s methods…
But if you are truly an American, and you can truly celebrate our INDEPENDENCE from a much less tyrannical nobility…. Then you SHOULD be able to comprehend WHY Lenin and others led the Russian Revolution…
I know, DavidB — But isnt it fun to see these people posting all of their hate/fear trash, so we know what they think they are fighting against??
I do get concerned, though, when I see posters like DFB upthread, making statements like the only way to stop “it” is through ANTI-Constitutional means and methods… When I was a kid, people like that were considered traitors… and they stayed hidden in shadows… NOW they post on a public Blog…
DavidB — Their goal isnt re-writing the Constitution… Their goal is to demolish it totally… Read their posts carefully…
dinner time… see ya all later… maybe…
Chas – “reading posts carefully” is entirely something you’re incapable of. Hopefully you can use the jiffypop tinfoil from your dinner to make a swell hat for you until your reading comprehension skills catch up with your mouth.
But let’s not forget DavidB…to be honest, I can’t think of a single contribution from him that wasn’t just as lame an attempt to get libs to like him as “(Chas… shush.. they are busy re-writing the Constitution…)”
Amazing how scared you two guys are of steps to clarify the Constitution for what’s intent was in the first place. Let me guess…next will be the “it’s Rightwing Extremists trying to turn the Constitution into a living document!!!!”…oh wait, you already tried that one. At least get your parties straight. I mean shoot, it only took you a couple hours to confirm that 222 yrs isn’t 230 yrs…if you had a shred of intellectual honesty, you’d at least admit that it’s been Dems for decades trying to “demolish it totally”.
WOW, DFB even knows how to LIE!! Shocked, I say… Shocked!!! (NOT)
YOUR words DFB… You sure as he11 aint no liberal….
“The key being, none of it would be good for entrenched DC interests and they know it. So the only way to stop the insanity is to stop it for them.”
That pretty much sums up your entire intent… Not words you will find from liberals… Just from extremists… LOL
I just love you Sarah Palin fans.
I brought you some good news! Here is another person who won’t be competing with her for the nomination!
Senator Ensign Admits Extramarital Affair
By David M. Herszenhorn
Senator John Ensign of Nevada.Alex Wong/Getty Images Senator John Ensign of Nevada.
Senator John Ensign, Republican of Nevada, on Tuesday admitted that he had an extramarital affair with a member of his campaign staff.
Mr. Ensign led the Republicans’ campaign efforts in 2008 and had been contemplating a run for president in 2012.
An aide said the consensual affair took place between December 2007 and August 2008, and that the woman worked for both Mr. Ensign’s campaign operation, Ensign for Senate, as well as a conservative political action committee, Battleborn PAC, from December 2006 to May 2008. Mr. Ensign is honorary chairman of the PAC. The woman’s husband was a member of Mr. Ensign’s official Senate staff. Neither has worked for the senator since May 2008, the aide said.
Mr. Ensign, 51, is married and has three children. During college at Colorado State University, he became a born-again Christian and he and his wife, Darlene, were active in the Promise Seekers, an evangelical group.
BlueJay sings…
Another one bites the dust.
And another ones gone and another one’s gone,
another one bites the dust.
Wow Chas, you should apply for a job at the NYT, with brilliant literary talent like “YOUR words DFB… You sure as he11 aint no liberal…. ” Took you this long to figure out I wasn’t an idiot like you? You’re quick too! But since you want to take a couple sentences out of context to try and prove with jackwipe you are, bravo, you caught me…I’m against “entrenched DC interests”, so I guess that makes you a big fan of lobbyists, DC lawyers, community organizers, etc. But hey, I give you an “E” for effort! Of course you never showed where I “LIE”D.
Your cognitive dissonance never disappoints!
And gee, I must be clairvoyant to know you try playing the same lame “RWE!!!” diatriabe again. Get some new material. Actually, get some good material, your old material sucks too.
DFB,
Have you ever taken that political compass test I linked to the other day?
I’m guessing that you’d probably end up in the lower-right quadrant.
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Daniel
Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Permalink
DFB,
Have you ever taken that political compass test I linked to the other day?
I’m guessing that you’d probably end up in the lower-right quadrant.
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I took it. I’m a compassionate Nazi. (joking)
Hey, “Nathaniel” –
Here’s another gift idea for your Father’s Day present!
http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/336_Featured+Items/7239_Ultimate+Compression+Shorts/?mode=custom
You never know when he’ll get into a gunfight with his pants off.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:18 pm | Permalink
Hey, “Nathaniel” –
Here’s another gift idea for your Father’s Day present!
http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/336_Featured+Items/7239_Ultimate+Compression+Shorts/?mode=custom
You never know when he’ll get into a gunfight with his pants off.
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I have a question, does she come with the shorts?
Regular
Posted June 16, 2009 at 7:16 pm | Permalink
I took it. I’m a compassionate Nazi. (joking)
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Thanks for the LOL, that was a good one.
Daniel, no..can you post it again?
Thanks
Chas/DavidB – here you go, I’ll put the whole Const Conv idea in terms that mesh with your sensitivities.
The fed govt has become a big oil/wall street/non-union defense contractor who’s hellbent on being a monopoly…oh and did I mention they’re rich? So, according to the Chosen One, it’s time to spread the wealth around to the states, who’ve been oppressed for too long (probably racial if you think about it). They’ve become a systemic risk that needs to be regulated. So a Const Conv is nothing more than an oversight committee, made up of czars who are super smart and can centralize the planning of our remade world. All we have to do, is click our heels and hope for change. Yes we can.
DFB,
This link is to the main page.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:19 pm | Permalink
And the whole documnent was proposed, debated, and written in Secrecy… no transparency for the Founders…
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Ignorance is sad.
Chas, you ever hear of the Federalist Papers?
PBS to Begin Phasing Out Religious Programming From Airwaves
PBS board members have decided to enforce a rule barring religious broadcasts in a move that spells the beginning of the end for most spiritual shows like Catholic Masses and Mormon devotionals on public television.
By Joseph Abrams
FOXNews.com
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/pbs-begin-phasing-religious-programming-airwaves/
Ahhhhhh…
THE FIRST PROCESS
“Elimination of alternative sources of authoritative values”, Churches cannot be allowed to influence the people.
I wonder if Obama will light a Christmas Tree on the White House lawn?
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:26 pm | Permalink
Johnson must stupidly believe that WE now live in the Soviet Union… in Europe… 65(?) years ago?? Dude, the Soviet Union thing started percolating in 1917… Again, whose calendar are you looking at?? In 1944, the Soviets were one of our allies in WW II…
If you want to talk about ignorant, and just wrong, look in your mirror…. if you have a reflection, that is… :-)
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Chas who occupied Romania in 1944?
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:45 pm | Permalink
Oh yea, read some good stuff on the “GLORIOUS CZAR” that Lenin and his followers wanted to over-throw… to set Russia free from the Tyranny of the Nobility…
I will never approve of Lenin’s methods…
But if you are truly an American, and you can truly celebrate our INDEPENDENCE from a much less tyrannical nobility…. Then you SHOULD be able to comprehend WHY Lenin and others led the Russian Revolution…
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Ahh…
The praises of Communism coming from the Leftists here.
I can see Chas waiving his lil red flag…
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:33 pm | Permalink
“Communism was the result before – something like that is surely coming with Obama.” [AmWay]
Just more of the Party of NO’s hate/fear mongering… Same stuff.. Different day!! LOL
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What is it you fear Chas? So, even you see the similarities to the Communist Takeover Processes or you would have nothing to fear.
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
I know, DavidB — But isnt it fun to see these people posting all of their hate/fear trash, so we know what they think they are fighting against??
I do get concerned, though, when I see posters like DFB upthread, making statements like the only way to stop “it” is through ANTI-Constitutional means and methods… When I was a kid, people like that were considered traitors… and they stayed hidden in shadows… NOW they post on a public Blog…
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Now who is the delusional and paranoid? Chas.
And Chas, this entire thread today was civil, until you posted your rant at 12:54.
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:52 pm | Permalink
DavidB — Their goal isnt re-writing the Constitution… Their goal is to demolish it totally… Read their posts carefully…
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Link please….
Chas told another lie here. No surprise.
Breaking: Michelle Obama caught hoing in White House garden.
American_Way
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:31 pm | Permalink
Chas, can you disagree with facts and not be insulting?
You are again showing your lack of knowledge.
(like on the constitution change procedures)
The USSR was not the real subject matter from Johnson now was it? Besides, we were reluctant allies in WWII. If you knew history you would realize Hitler/Stalin had a nonaggression pact which divided Poland between them.
Anyway, look at the posts JJ provided. Look at the satellite nations. The iron curtain. Look at the puppet governments the soviets formed. Look at the socialist and communist methodology used repeatedly throughout occupied eastern europe.
Once you do, you might think – before being so quick to put down another posters information.
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He posts troll definitions and complains about trolls, and yet he is the biggest troll on this blog.
I wonder if he beats himself up everyday?
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Oh cons???
Here’s another one you probably won’t like!
updated 42 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama plans to extend health care and other benefits to the g@y and lesbi@n partners of federal employees, White House officials said Tuesday.
The officials said Obama plans to announce decision on Wednesday in the Oval Office. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the president had not yet made the announcement.
The move would give partners of federal employees access to health care and financial benefits such as relocation fees for moves. Officials said Obama would give more details of the decision on Wednesday.
Do you mean to tell me that I get moderated for using the words g@y and lesbi@n?
Yup.
Well gosh blogbot? What other words are illegal?
It is really unbelieveable that the blog didn’t have a thread on the slap in the face Obama just served to gays and equal rights supporters.
So to all those who swore that Obama wasn’t going to throw gays under the bus, you can blow me.
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 6:13 pm | Permalink
Amazing how scared you two guys are of steps to clarify the Constitution for what’s intent was in the first place. Let me guess…next will be the “it’s Rightwing Extremists trying to turn the Constitution into a living document!!!!”…oh wait, you already tried that one. At least get your parties straight. I mean shoot, it only took you a couple hours to confirm that 222 yrs isn’t 230 yrs…
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They are truly afraid of a Constitution that means something, that protects the rights of Freedom for all people equally.
They cannot attain their Socialist Agenda without trampling the rights of Freedom.
As for Chas’ triviality over the 230 year question, what I posted earlier was:
“It would be interesting to see if anyone could agree to a short basic list, then incrementally expand on it, to get a consensous on the core role of Government. Finding that stopping point, the line that should not be crossed, was a hotly debated issue 230 years ago.”
Now the role of the new American Government was most certainly discussed 230 years ago.
The Articles of Confederation were drafted in 1776, and ratified in 1777.
The Constitution was discussed in 1786, and drafted in 1787, at which time the Federalist Papers were widely published in 1787 and 1788.
The Constitution was then debated in the states and Ratified in 1789. (So Chas got that date WRONG.)
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JimJohnson
Posted June 16, 2009 at 8:19 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:19 pm | Permalink
And the whole documnent was proposed, debated, and written in Secrecy… no transparency for the Founders…
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Chas was also wrong, naturally, about the Constitution being drafted and ratified in a secret process. Chas is plainly IGNORANT.
I can only guess his motive for such an ignorant statement is to attempt to justify the closed doors the Obama Administration operates under in drafting large and expensive pieces of legislation, and in maintaining secrecy around everything the Administration does today, to include listing the names of who is visiting the White House.
SSDD from Chas. Sad that he had to interrupt a civil debate.
Chas
Posted June 16, 2009 at 5:50 pm | Permalink
I know, DavidB — But isnt it fun to see these people posting all of their hate/fear trash, so we know what they think they are fighting against??
I do get concerned, though, when I see posters like DFB upthread, making statements like the only way to stop “it” is through ANTI-Constitutional means and methods… When I was a kid, people like that were considered traitors… and they stayed hidden in shadows… NOW they post on a public Blog…
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Wow, musta missed this one. Absofrickinglutely BRILLIANT analysis Chas…using a method spelled out in the Constitution to amend it is “Anti-Constitutional”…..seriously, your “mental” prowess is unmatched. Still haven’t included a coherent argument one..but at least you’ve got a buddy to agree with you. Your calumny is legendary.
JJ – it is classic. Actually reading or thinking are foreign to folks like that…if it can’t be found on Huffington/DailyKOS or MSNBC, they don’t know what to think, so they just go straight to insults.
Daniel – I ended up lower left quadrant, but just barely, I was about as close the exact middle as you could get. But the questions were like normal poll questions..worded vague enough that just a slight change in wording and I would’ve gone from strongly agree to strongly disagree….but anyway, for what it’s worth, that’s where I ended up. Me & Ghandi…
SSDD from Chas? Awww the little man has to look big somewhere on campus. It surely ain’t happenin at the pulpit.
Can you imagine this whimp claims to be an ordaineded whimp of Gawd?
By gawd Chasy bring it on. I kin post crap on top of crap too. Dont take much thinkin to type some swear words. Dont take brains.
The real skill is puttin them thar dirty words together in a sentance! Chasy exxccels at dat!
If we had time DFB, it would interesting to go through the Constitution and get a wish list together for Amendments. Go through the thing top to bottom.
Had those kind of debates in college, but things were different then. We couldn’t have imagined how the SCOTUS would mess with that document over the last 25 years. I remember arguing about the Commerce Clause and even debating the “living document” concept with my professor, who of course, I disagreed with, though I had to parrot his view on the tests to get good grades in his class.
The Federalist Papers are a good read to see how many of the same issues we debate today, were debated then.
And btw, I took the political compass test. Was a couple of boxes directly to the left of Friedman, in the lower right.
Gotta run…Later.
“But the questions were like normal poll questions..worded vague enough that just a slight change in wording and I would’ve gone from strongly agree to strongly disagree….”
I had the same problem with the test. I found the questions odd, and often would have answered None of the Above if I had that option.
What ever happened to Bryan? He was a nutjob who used to post here too.
Get a name change didja? Know a Roeder too closely?
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 9:18 pm | Permalink
JJ – it is classic. Actually reading or thinking are foreign to folks like that…if it can’t be found on Huffington/DailyKOS or MSNBC, they don’t know what to think, so they just go straight to insults.
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I posted the source to the Three Communist Processes used in Eastern Europe, yet Chas apparently requires a lot of hand holding to acquire knowledge. Makes you wonder if he graduated High School.
The quiz says that my party is the Green party.
I’d be more than happy to just divide up the country and give you fundy freaks half of it.
Ok really gotta go now.
Oh no! I’m acting like Chas!
DFB,
That’s interesting. I would have assumed that you’d have ended up closer to JimJohnson’s position.
FWIW, I’m less than one square left on the left/right axis and about six squares down on the authoritarian/libertarian axis.
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JimJohnson
Posted June 16, 2009 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
Ok really gotta go now.
Oh no! I’m acting like Chas!
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So float the bee…
JJ – yeah, a discussion like that would take too much typing. That’s why I focused only on the amendments that had a chance of getting 38 states to ratify them.
Ok, now I gotta go….Oh God…it’s contagious!
You think nobody can look up the Secrecy part of the Constitutional Convention, Johnson??
You want to retract your Rant on that one??
I didnt think so.,… So, HERE, Azzhoe… Read it for your own stupid self….
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/themes/#
Dont bother with an apology… Coming from you it would be worthless anyway…
Oh yea, dipschitt… The Federalist Papers, while a part of our nation’s history.. are NOT the Law of the Land…. Those ideas were soundly defeated in the Constitutionl debates 222 years ago… not 230 years ago… Use all of your fingers and toes to count… it might help you….
This country has had it with you nut jobs… Your extremism might go pretty much unnoticed on this Blog… But, mark my words… Your corn ball ideas are being watched… and you will answer for your extremist plans to take over our Country… WHY do you want to tear down what has taken 233 years to build up?? WHY do you hate America, Johnson… you and your little Blog Goons… You are no more important than the fly Obama swatted during his interview today… And he didnt wait for some custodian to pick it up… HE picked it up, and disposed of it…
YOU and your gang of goons have less significance than that fly… You’ll see… if you have the cohones to stick around… I think you will retreat into your little well protected little shelters, waiting for what wont ever happen… LOL You are a joke!! Except for nobody is laughing…
I didnt think so.,… So, HERE, Azzhoe… Read it for your own stupid self….
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/themes/#
Dont bother with an apology… Coming from you it would be worthless anyway…
Oh yea, dipschitt…- Chas
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Hey BlueJay,
Are you going to hold this Christian Pastor up to his ’standards’?
“1. The Rule of Secrecy
On May 25, the Constitutional Convention began its work by creating a Committee to propose “rules for conducting business.” On May 28, the Committee reported sixteen rules and on May 29 they reported six further rules. One of these was the rule of secrecy. According to Madison’s Notes, the exact language of the secrecy rule was: “That nothing spoken in the house be printed, or otherwise published or communicated without leave.”
The delegates adopted these rules without debate. And for the most part they adhered to the rule of secrecy. The issue of what would happen after the Convention adjourned was not addressed. Certainly Madison informed Thomas Jefferson about the main features of the deliberations. There was at least one Founder in each of the state ratifying conventions, and these conventions were open to the public with the deliberations reported widely in the press. Madison seems to have taken the vow of secrecy to the limit; his copious Notes weren’t available until after his death despite numerous requests that he make them available to help in constitutional interpretation.
Why secrecy? There seems to be an instinctive case against secrecy since democracy and openness are often deemed to be synonymous. There is the further suspicion that secret gatherings are designed by the wicked few to shaft the innocent many. This is in large part the conclusion of twentieth century Progressive Historiography that makes a point of equating meeting in secret with smoked filled rooms and elitist betrayal of virtuous majorities. They point to the secrecy rule, and the thick drapes over closed windows in Independence Hall during the hot Philadelphia summer, as evidence of an undemocratic founding. But anyone who has seen politicians in front of the camera knows that openness and posturing also go together and that being pressured by outside forces is not always conducive to wise deliberation and choice. Thus even contemporary society sees the need for executive sessions and private discourse.
I think the model the Founders had in mind was “the trial by jury model” where the jurors deliberated in secret in order to be candid with each other and to be free to change their mind for the right reason, namely, because they were persuaded to do so. There is also something to be said to being part of an uninterrupted conversation. It isn’t so much that politics seeks darkness rather than light; rather it is from darkness that light emerges.”
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/convention/themes/#
ANTI — Why dont you take your particular line of trash and take it to Texas with Johnson… You hate America just as much… as he does!!
ANTI — read carefully… The COTUS has nothing to do with religious beliefs — of ANY kind… I’m not dealing with religion here… so what kind of “standards” do you want me to uphold?? Like, maybe, those of a CITIZEN???
Chas,
I do not hate America.
You sound like an extremist, Chas.
Chas,
You have gone completely off the deep end.
In all seriousness, seek help. You are mentally ill.
DFB
Posted June 16, 2009 at 10:02 pm | Permalink
JJ – yeah, a discussion like that would take too much typing. That’s why I focused only on the amendments that had a chance of getting 38 states to ratify them.
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Right, a lot of typing would be involved. Plus we’d have to keep swatting flies, at least on this blog. Maybe Obama could help us swat some flies. He’s an expert fly swatter.
Chas types as he wipes the spittle from his keyboard: “This country has had it with you nut jobs… Your extremism might go pretty much unnoticed on this Blog… But, mark my words… Your corn ball ideas are being watched… and you will answer for your extremist plans to take over our Country… WHY do you want to tear down what has taken 233 years to build up?? ”
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Instead of random drive-by, baseless accusations. For once, why don’t you include a fact that isn’t purely a non sequitor. Say, like maybe backing up your little seizure about ANYONE talking about “plans to take over our Country”. If you’re seriously a reverend as it’s rumored…it’s enough to make me see why people like MH, MP, etc (your side) makes fun of religion, because your cognitive skills are honestly pretty funny!
Chas – just to help you, so you don’t have to strain any lonely cells upstairs…I’ll give you some specifics to detail out how these are “taking over the country” (if I remember right, this requires 3 pounds of the fist on the table)
1. Congressional/Fed Judge Term Limits (not talking 1 term each, something reasonable that allows for 10-15 yrs in an office…just not 40)
2. Federal Balanced Budget
3. Presidential Line Item Veto
4. Campaign Finance Reform of only being able to contribute to campaigns in your district/state.
5. Elimination of redundant services/departments that are more effectively handled at the state level. Possible examples being, Dept of Education, Dept of Ag, Dept of Interior, Dept of Transportation, Dept of Energy, etc.
6. Clarifying Presidential War Declaration Powers so that there is absolutely no wiggle room for another Viet Nam, Iraq, Kosovo, etc and Congress is more involved in the decisions to actually initiate force.
There ya go, chumpchange, can’t wait for your logic as to how exactly things such as these are “taking over the country”, run for your lives!!!!! Better yet, since you’re such a brilliant academic, maybe you could explain exactly how any one of these is left or right and not 100% bi-partisan…because it would apply to whichever side is in control in DC. Can’t wait for your thesis, I’m sure it’ll be just as logic filled as the rest of your drivel.
Political_mama
Posted June 16, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Permalink
What ever happened to Bryan? He was a nutjob who used to post here too.
Get a name change didja? Know a Roeder too closely?
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You gotta be schittin me. Yup, p_mom, there is a boogey man in every shadow. They are coming for you. Double line your tinfoil! Hurry before it is too late.
Good Lord, give the conspiracy theories a rest.
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I will stay here for long
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