Open thread 6/10

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  1. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    From the Kansas City Star’s Barb Shelly –

    What kind of church would embrace George Tiller?

    A church that believes the creator endowed human beings with both conscience and intelligence, to enable us to wrestle with the complicated questions. A church that recognizes that one’s relationship with that creator can’t be dictated by a central authority, or proscribed by a narrow list of rules.

    Tiller’s church, Reformation Lutheran in Wichita, Kan., is one that trusts its members with the freedom to decide on matters of conscience. It holds that a choice made for good reasons and in good faith does not separate a human being from God.

    Some call this “relativism,” and blame it for a decline in morals and corruption of society.

    I call it freedom. And, as with the right of a woman to decide on what terms to bring a child into the world, we should be vigilant against anyone or anything that would take it away.

  2. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    “Monday, June 08, 2009

    Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on six out of 10 key issues, including the top issue of the economy.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 45% now trust the GOP more to handle economic issues, while 39% trust Democrats more.

    This is the first time in over two years of polling that the GOP has held the advantage on this issue.”

    No surprise here

  3. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    Rasmussen has about as much credibility as The Onion.

    Just ask President McCain.

  4. outlander
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    “Some call this “relativism,” and blame it for a decline in morals and corruption of society.”

    ———–

    Yup. You can justify anything when you don’t believe in moral absolutes.

  5. BlueJay
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    You can also justify about anything when you DO believe in moral absolutes.

  6. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    “Republican Representative Darrell Issa from California says when California tried to lower its $20 billion deficit, it offered to cut the pay of health care workers. Union health care workers of the Service Employees International Union or SEIU, Issa said, “ran to Washington to get Obama’s help.”

    The Obama government then told California it would not get its stimulus money if the union workers didn’t get all their pay: the stimulus forbids such action against unions, the stimulus law says.

    “But who wrote the stimulus?” Issa asks. “The stimulus was written in the dark of night by the unions in Washington DC,” Issa said, with instructions from Nancy Pelosi and other key Democrat lawmakers.”

    Our union president and CEO, Barack Obama dictating to the states is but one example of what happens when states accept bribery money.

    States rights are no longer important. Libs are mum on this now, but just wait until the republicans or another party returns to power someday.

  7. outlander
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Short Circuiting The Scientific Process – A Serious Problem In The Climate Science Community
    8 06 2009

    Guest post from Roger Pielke Sr., originally posted on Climate Science

    There has been a development over the last 10-15 years or so in the scientific peer reviewed literature that is short circuiting the scientific method.

    The scientific method involves developing a hypothesis and then seeking to refute it. If all attempts to discredit the hypothesis fails, we start to accept the proposed theory as being an accurate description of how the real world works.

    A useful summary of the scientific method is given on the website sciencebuddies.org.where they list six steps

    * Ask a Question
    * Do Background Research
    * Construct a Hypothesis
    * Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
    * Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
    * Communicate Your Results

    Unfortunately, in recent years papers have been published in the peer reviewed literature that fail to follow these proper steps of scientific investigation. These papers are short circuiting the scientific method.

    Specifically, papers that present predictions of the climate decades into the future have proliferated. Just a two recent examples (and there are many others) are

    Hu, A., G. A. Meehl, W. Han, and J. Yin (2009), Transient response of the MOC and climate to potential melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet in the 21st century, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L10707, doi:10.1029/2009GL037998.

    Solomon, S. 2009: Irreversible climate change due to carbon dioxide emissions. The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Published online before print January 28, 2009, doi: 10.1073/pnas.0812721106

    Such studies are even reported in the media before the peer reviewed process is completed; e.g. see in the article by Hannad Hoag in the May 27 2009 issue of Nature News Hot times ahead for the Wild West.

    These studies are based on models, of which only a portion of which represent basic physics (e.g. the pressure gradient force, advection and the universal gravitational constant), with the remainder of the physics parameterized with tuned engineering code (e.g see).

    When I served as Chief Editor of the Monthly Weather Reviews (1981-1985), The Co-Chief Editor of the Journal of Atmospheric Sciences (1996-2000), and as Editor-in-Chief of the US National Science Report to the IUGG for the American Geophysical Union (1993-1996), such papers would never have been accepted.

    What the current publication process has evolved into, at the detriment of proper scientific investigation, are the publication of untested (and often untestable) hypotheses. The fourth step in the scientific method “Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment” is bypassed.

    This is a main reason that the policy community is being significantly misinformed about the actual status of our understanding of the climate system and the role of humans within it.

  8. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    On a recent webcast of his daily radio talk show, Wiley Drake, former second vice-president of the Southern Baptist Convention, called last Sunday’s murder of Tiller “an answer to prayer.” Then during an interview with Alan Colmes on Fox News Radio, Drake said he was praying the same type of “imprecatory prayer” against the president of the United States.

    Full story here –

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=558694

  9. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Republicans tend to hate Republicans. A new USA Today/Gallup poll shows that 1/3 of Republicans hate their party. What’s even more surprising is that only 4% of Democrats hate the Democratic party. Typically Democrats hate everything, especially Democrats but it seems the role is reversed.

    http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/poll-one-in-three-republicans-sour-on-their-party/

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact the Republican party is a bunch of terrorist sympathizing America haters who can’t be trusted with pappy’s credit card.

  10. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    MH, it’s not surprising. If you want to hear terrorists promoting murder then you don’t need to go all the way to a mosque, you can just go to your nearest fundy church and hear the same rhetoric.

    Is there anything fundies don’t hate (apart from murder that is, they love them some violence).

  11. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Healthcare reform [no socialized medicine]:

    The first shot may have been fired last week when President Obama sent a two-page letter to Sens. Kennedy and Baucus, who chair rival committees that are each preparing their own health bills. The letter was ostensibly to get the two to work together by outlining shared principles. While Obama had previously stayed at sky level in the policy debates–refusing to endorse many specific details–that changed last week.

    In the letter, he endorsed three controversial tenets that he hoped a final bill will contain. First, he finally came out in favor of a “public plan,” where individuals and businesses can buy insurance from a government-run exchange that will pool everyone together and charge low rates.

    The second idea Obama endorsed is the “individual mandate,” in which, much like car insurance, Americans would be forced to buy health insurance or pay a penalty. This would avoid the problem of only sick people wanting insurance and thus driving up the price. Mandates are controversial among small businesses, who often can’t afford to cover their workers, and of course small-government fans.

    Finally–and this is more of an inside Washington issue– Obama endorsed ripping Medicare coverage decisions away from Congress.

    I like forcing people to pay for their own healthcare insurance. I don’t like paying uninsured motorist insurance – to cover me when someone else doesn’t buy it. The Obama letter indicates that if your employer offers insurance, you will have to take it or maybe, maybe a cheaper government plan – which will be sh*tty insurance the doctors won’t sign up for.

  12. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Be careful what you ASK for….

    Which Treatments Are Effective?

    Related to the idea of a public plan, the administration along with Democrats in the Senate are pushing the notion of “comparative effectiveness research. ” The stimulus package passed in February included $1 billion in funding to see which competing treatments for medical conditions are most effective. If that research could guide spending by a public plan, the ideas goes, costs would fall dramatically.

    Several recent studies, on stents and on cancer drugs, support the notion that some of the most expensive therapies are at best marginally effective.

    So, when you or a loved one is dying of cancer, or needs that experimental surgery as a last resort the government will say: SORRY NO CAN DO.

    Why ELSE would congress fund this study, hmmmm?

  13. XXX
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    When Congress passed the $700 billion Wall Street bailout package last fall, critics said it’d be a money loser. But when 10 banks returned $68 billion of the money on Tuesday, President Barack Obama said the government had realized a small profit.

    Did it really?

    In addition to returning the $68 billion, the 10 banks paid the government $1.8 billion in dividends on the preferred shares of stock the government owned. That translates to an annualized rate of return of about 4.64 percent on the $68 billion.
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/69754.html
    ____________________________

    Looks like the bailout wasn’t such a bad thing after all.

  14. outlander
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    I know that Monkeyhawk wouldn’t want anyone to think that he was implying that his Wiley Drake post was about anyone other than a fringe element. That is why Monkey posted the link. But I think that we need to go ahead an post the body of the then story so that we get the jist.

    Pastor’s comments on Tiller ‘unbiblical’

    Allie Martin – OneNewsNow – 6/8/2009 7:45:00 AMBookmark and Share

    The president of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) is repudiating statements made by a former convention official regarding President Barack Obama and the recent murder of abortionist George Tiller.

    On a recent webcast of his daily radio talk show, Wiley Drake, former second vice-president of the SBC, called last Sunday’s murder of Tiller “an answer to prayer.” Then during an interview with Alan Colmes on Fox News Radio, Drake said he was praying the same type of “imprecatory prayer” against the president of the United States.

    Johnny HuntFor years, Drake has encouraged the practice of praying words of judgment found throughout the Book of Psalm, back to God, against enemies. But Dr. Johnny Hunt, pastor of First Baptist Church of Woodstock, Georgia, and president of the SBC, says Drake’s comments are out of line.

    “[That's a] terrible statement, [a] very unbiblical statement,” Hunt responds. “I’m still encouraged that the [Book of] Proverbs teaches that God has the water in a channel — and my prayer has always that God would turn hearts.”

    Hunt also referenced the Book of 1 Timothy, which encourages Christians to pray for those in authority.

  15. outlander
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    Well XXX there is what, another $632 billion or so out there? Let’s what kind of “return” we get there, or even if we get the money returned at all before we start celebrating. The banks that have already returned bailout funds already, probably didn’t need it in the first place.

  16. Regular
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    On this date, Jun 10th, record setting temperatures for Wichita Kansas

    High 103 °F (1953)
    Low: 49 °F (1974)

  17. Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Hypocrits never learn. Out of one side of their mouths they blame inflammatory rhetoric for the murder of Dr. Tiller, and out of the other side they constantly preach hate and demonize Christians.

    Next time there is a church shooting, the Department of Homeland Security will be able to start their investigation right here in the WE Blog.

  18. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Repub horror of horrors, Obama going to put long term success over short term!
    “WASHINGTON – An up and coming Wall Street executive might want to hold off on buying that condo in Aspen. The Obama administration is ready to issue broad new guidelines that would rein in pay at financial institutions.

    Eager to remove incentives that they say contributed to last year’s financial crisis, President Barack Obama’s economic team plans to unfurl broad executive pay principles, possibly as early as Wednesday, that put a premium on long-term performance over short-term gain.

  19. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Too bad the govt. will just own a little of a third of CITI!
    Looks like the oil companines and speculators deserve a little of the dems attention, before they get too far out of hand, again.

  20. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    “Looks like the bailout wasn’t such a bad thing after all.”

    XXX it’s propogranda!!!!

    Assume Treasury takes the money and applies it to the national debt it created:

    700 Billion dollars created out of thin air
    -69.8 Billion dollars returned to treasury by banks (pay off debt)

    630.2 billion debt remaining
    + 1.1 billion interest* on debt 4% x 6 mo (aprox)
    631.3 billion dollars remaining national debt plus interest.

    Assume Treasury takes the money and as theyhave stated holds it for future failures:

    700 billion dollars created out of thin air
    -69.8 billion dollars returned to treas by banks
    630.2 billion debt remaining
    +69.8 billion dollars (Treasury announced it will hold to loan out if needed)
    700 billion dollars still owed national debt

    700 billion debt remaining
    + 2 billion interest on the debt 4% x 6 mo (aprox)
    702 Total debt taxpayers still owe

    *June 1, 2009 long term treasury rate was 4.4%

  21. DFB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    XXX – let’s see…they announced sometime ago that according to the Treasury, we’d already lost something like $87B, if I remember the # right, based on the initial investments. So, the one’s that were forced to take bailouts so the other banks didn’t look bad, pay back less than 10% of the total bailout and it’s “not such a bad thing”? Wonder if that 4.64% return includes in risk premiums for all the loan guarantees the govt considers “free” to likes of GE, or how it explains the fact that GM just loaned $2B to a priate equity firm so they could buy Delphi out of bankruptcy…huh…a bankrupt company on the govt teet loaning money to a private company to buy another company….yeah, I’m sure all that’s above board, no Chicago politics to see here folks, just keep it movin’…

  22. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    BAGHDAD — A rare car bomb ripped through a market in southern Iraq’s Shiite heartland Wednesday as shoppers were buying meat and vegetables, killing at least 29 people and wounding dozens, officials said.

    It is the deadliest bombing to hit the Nasiriyah area since Nov. 12, 2003, when a suicide truck bomber attacked the headquarters of Italian forces stationed there, killing more than 30 people.

    The blast is the latest in a series of high-profile explosions that have raised concerns about a resurgence of violence as the U.S. military faces a June 30 deadline to withdraw from urban areas in Iraq.

  23. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    “Let’s see what kind of “return” we get there”

    As of May 2009, the interest expense on our national debt so far this fiscal year is $214 Billion.

    To be exact, the Debt now stands at $11,033,157,578,669.78. (that’s TRILLION). Divide it by the U.S. population and it comes up to over $36,000 in debt for every man, woman and child.

    Now, please tell me how much of a “return” 1.8 billion dollars is for every man, woman, and child
    that would be in relation to the debt each of us owe – if the money actually is applied to the national debt?

    Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?

  24. donndublin
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) – The multiple frosts that have blanketed Western Canada in the last week are the most widespread in the top canola-growing province of Saskatchewan in at least five years, the Canola Council of Canada said on Tuesday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE55851U20090609
    ___________

    This along with the upper US mid-west have had cooler than normal weather. Combined with the growing ice in eastern Antarctica, is a lot more than 2% cosMo claims to be the only parts of the globe being effected by the cooling. It also many times larger than western Antarctica the AGW alarmists use to promote their bogus theory.

    Any body want to bet that after the summer season Arctic will have more ice than last year?

  25. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Looking like the markets are going to luv dem sum Obama today.

  26. donndublin
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Any body want to bet that after the summer season THE Arctic will have more ice than last year?

  27. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Say Phantom, how many tubes of Chap Stick do you go through in a week?

  28. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
    ___________________________________________-

    No but a lot of the posters here believe that the son of an old man that lives in the sky will save them at the last minute…please keep up!

  29. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    “Any body want to bet that after the summer season Arctic will have more ice than last year?”

    So does this mean we don’t have to worry about our IPOD’s killing polar bears this year?

    Hey ANTI! Get out your erasure. (no spitting on the chalk board)

  30. Regular
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    O’Bama: If You Aren’t Rich, I Won’t Raise Your Taxes
    Lies and more lies
    Source: Fox News Opinion, Phil Kerpen

    Well, it’s hard to keep up because new ideas are floated every day, but they all would involve taxing people who make less than $250,000.
    -In fact, even his income tax hikes for the rich have now been dropped down to start at $235,000.
    – Then there’s the soft drink excise tax,
    – The cap-and-trade energy taxes,
    – Most recently the VAT, a form of national sales tax.
    – The tax on health benefits I mentioned above would also break the only-tax-the-rich pledge.

  31. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    So does this mean we don’t have to worry about our IPOD’s killing polar bears this year?
    ======================================

    I wouldn’t worry about your IPOD, but the bears should worry about my 45-70 Gov….

  32. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Hey editors! No Tiller Killer thread today?

    Come on! You guys should be able to milk this one all the way through the trial and sentencing!

  33. HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    The new Jackie-O!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191620/First-Lady-flamboyance-Michelle-Obamas-confident-duty-chic-London-city-break.html

    Last time I stayed at the Motel-8 in Ferris, Texas the cleaning lady showed up with more fashion sense!

    LOL!

  34. HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Is it just me or is her butt getting even bigger?

  35. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    “The new Jackie-O!”

    aka: Rich beotch

    $450 designer tennis shoes (to work in her garden)
    $350,000.00 date night with the Chosen One

    14 million Americans unemployed.

    Worst First Lady ever.

  36. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Whitacre Vows to ‘Learn About Cars’ as Chairman of New GM Board

    “I don’t know anything about cars,” Whitacre, 67, said yesterday in an interview after his appointment.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aQ._YJhEj_Jo

    What the hell could go wrong?

  37. HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    “Worst First Lady ever.”

    I aggree, check out that Goofy overbite too! She looks like Bugs Bunny on a bad hare day!

  38. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    “lot of the posters here believe that the son of an old man that lives in the sky will save them at the last minute…”

    Apparently our state constitution writers acknowledge the old man in the story.

    Alabama 1901, Preamble
    We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..
    Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
    Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution…
    Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas , grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government…
    California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom…
    Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe…
    Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
    Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences…
    Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution…
    Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution…
    Hawaii 1959, Preamble We , the people of Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance … Establish this Constitution.
    Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
    Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
    Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
    Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the St ate of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
    Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
    Kentucky 1891, Preamble.. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties..
    Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
    Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.
    Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty…
    Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We…the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction
    Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.
    Minnesota, 1857, Preamble We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
    Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
    Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution…
    Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..
    Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.
    Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution…
    New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
    New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
    New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..
    New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
    North Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those…
    North Dakota 1889, Preamble We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain…
    Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.
    Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this
    Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences
    Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance….
    Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing…
    South Carolina , 1778, Preamble We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
    South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties …
    Tennessee 1796, Art. XI..III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience…
    Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
    Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
    Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..
    Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
    Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
    West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God …
    Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility…
    Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution…

  39. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    I aggree, check out that Goofy overbite too! She looks like Bugs Bunny on a bad hare day!
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    I think she is smuggling a bear trap.

  40. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Is anyone else still waiting on their Kansas personal income tax return? It’s been eight weeks for me this year. Longest ever.

  41. Regular
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:45 am | Permalink

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    American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Is anyone else still waiting on their Kansas personal income tax return? It’s been eight weeks for me this year. Longest ever.
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    I didn’t take my income tax return, I gave it to the Military Assistance Fund. Hopefully, it will get to the right place and do some good.

  42. HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    “I think she is smuggling a bear trap.”
    ________________________

    From the size of her butt the bear might still be in it.

  43. Regular
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Chrysler-Fiat Deal Signed, Company Exits Chap. 11

    Fox news
    Urgent news

  44. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    “From the size of her butt the bear might still be in it.”

    Better not be a polar bear. Black bear maybe.

  45. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:12 am | Permalink

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    Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:08 am | Permalink
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    “What Fox did is not just create a venue for alternative opinion. It created an alternate reality.”

    – Charles Kr@uthammer

    Let’s hear it for the irony-impaired!

    (He meant it as a compliment.)

  46. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    (apparently the name of the conservative columnist for the Washington Post cannot pass monitor-bot)

    heh heh

  47. wichhick
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    let’s hear it for the impaired, ie. monkey, bj, phantom, maggot, and well you know who you are

  48. XXX
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:43 am | Permalink
    “Looks like the bailout wasn’t such a bad thing after all.”

    XXX it’s propogranda!!!!
    _____________

    AmWay, read the link again. Even after paying interest on the money we borrowed, we still come out ahead.

    I guess that sux if you’re a Republican.

  49. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    “we still come out ahead.”

    So how big a check did you get XXX?

  50. XXX
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:20 am | Permalink
    The new Jackie-O!

    Last time I stayed at the Motel-8 in Ferris, Texas the cleaning lady showed up with more fashion sense!

    LOL!
    ____________________
    HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:21 am | Permalink
    Is it just me or is her butt getting even bigger?
    ____________________
    HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:29 am | Permalink
    “Worst First Lady ever.”

    I aggree, check out that Goofy overbite too! She looks like Bugs Bunny on a bad hare day!
    ____________________
    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:34 am | Permalink
    I aggree, check out that Goofy overbite too! She looks like Bugs Bunny on a bad hare day!
    ===========================================

    I think she is smuggling a bear trap.
    ____________________
    HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:49 am | Permalink
    “I think she is smuggling a bear trap.”
    ________________________

    From the size of her butt the bear might still be in it.
    _____________________
    American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:03 am | Permalink
    “From the size of her butt the bear might still be in it.”

    Better not be a polar bear. Black bear maybe
    _____________________

    Geez, what a bunch of dycks. You guys have no class.
    But of course, you or your wives have no flaws, right? Shall we check out your wives for perfection? How about we point out every little imperfection?

    What a bunch of clods!

  51. XXX
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:34 am | Permalink
    “we still come out ahead.”

    So how big a check did you get XXX?
    ________________
    Just like a Republican; always wanting something for nothing.

  52. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Well XXX if you insist on complimenting Bush who am I to stop you?

  53. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    “Geez, what a bunch of dycks. You guys have no class. But of course, you or your wives have no flaws, right? ”

    Hey XXX, trip on over to the Palin thread. Insults to that female are A#1 O.K. with libs.

  54. HLP
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Geez, what a bunch of dycks. You guys have no class.
    But of course, you or your wives have no flaws, right? Shall we check out your wives for perfection? How about we point out every little imperfection?

    What a bunch of clods!
    ___________________________________

    LOL!

    Come on XXX! Where have you been the last two years? Sarah Palin. Look at this thread and others, deriding Sarah Palin and other republican women’s physical appearance and sense of style is all the democrats have. I’m merely entering the political debate at an intellectual level you libs understand.

    My wife is Sicilian and Irish. ‘. . check out her for perfection.’ at your peril. I won’t even be able to tell your relatives where she hid your body.

  55. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    “AmWay, read the link again. Even after paying interest on the money we borrowed, we still come out ahead.”

    And XXX, that interest came from our government owning stock (dividends) in what used to be private corporations.

    I guess Bush also had it right when he suggested Americans be allowed to invest their retirement money in stocks. I mean if it’s good for the goose…..

  56. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    And I don’t care what ANY of you think: My wife is the most beautiful girl in the world.

  57. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact the Republican party is a bunch of terrorist sympathizing America haters who can’t be trusted with pappy’s credit card.
    _____________________________________________

    LMFAO. You noticed what your boy obama has done to the national debt? In just over 100 days? You seriously can’t be that ignorant.

    *********************************************

    Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:33 am | Permalink
    MH, it’s not surprising. If you want to hear terrorists promoting murder then you don’t need to go all the way to a mosque, you can just go to your nearest fundy church and hear the same rhetoric.
    _____________________________________________

    Ever hear your boy Obama’s mentor Jeremiah Wright? You want to hear hate? Obama listened to it for 20 years. Fun stuff like the US created AIDS to kill black people.

  58. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Libs once bragged about a Clinton surplus. (that was back when they cared about the national debt)

    Now they are bragging about a payment to the government which isn’t even a .dot on the pile of debt Obama has already racked up.

  59. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Geez, what a bunch of dycks. You guys have no class.
    But of course, you or your wives have no flaws, right? Shall we check out your wives for perfection? How about we point out every little imperfection?

    What a bunch of clods!
    =====================================

    I still think Michelle has a mouth like a clydesdale.

  60. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Speaking of first ladies, heard yesterday Laura was convening a meeting of twenty some advisors in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. Guess she kind of misses the limelight, maybe she’ll go after the gang bangers again?

  61. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Returning Bailout Money Just a SideShow

    “The only problem, says Charles Ortel, managing director, Newport Value Partners, a research firm in New York City, the money is just a drop in the bucket as far as what the government has shelled out to prop up the economy—and it’s not exactly working yet. “The government has spent trillions and yes, it’s nice to get some of it back, but it’s a distraction from the main event,” says Ortel. “Private sector jobs have fallen off a cliff. The country and homeowners and the government are awash in debt. The government has the power to change the debate on any given news cycle by pointing to one or more of its ‘successes,’ but I’d feel a lot better about this …if there were better accountability.”

    Ortel’s beef is that the government is not acting like a good investment manager. He sees a “headlong rush away from the principles of good investing principles.” For instance, any shrewd investor plans for an exit strategy. How, he wonders, will the government shed a $50 billion stake in GM or a $45 billion stake in Citigroup (C)? Moreover, government says it’s not going to meddle directly into the business affairs of these companies, from automotive to insurance (save for executive compensation matters, and that too is creating more chaos).

    You’ve got to have control of an investment and here they are putting money into companies where they say they don’t want control,” he continues. “That creates ambiguity, waste, conflict and heartache. There’s no accountability, no alignment of management, no incentives.” Ortel says an independent business commission should be formed to evaluate the government’s actions in trying to resuscitate the economy and prop up failing businesses.

    He’s not alone in thinking that the return of bailout money is just a pubic relations sideshow. Joshua Siegel of New York’s Stone Castle Partners–which specializes in bank investments, with $3.1 billion under management–says it might be prudent for some banks to return the money, but he too sees the early pay-backs as a game of “perception creating business reality.”

    “Banking is all perception,” he says. “It’s the ultimate confidence business. The question isn’t whether banks have enough capital to pay it back. The question is do they need government money and can they replace it with private money.”

    That would be better news. As wrong-headed and greedy as a lot of money managers and market players have been in recent years, they’re a far might better at running business than politicians.” Businessweek

  62. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink
    Looking like the markets are going to luv dem sum Obama today.

    DJIA down 13.76

    Feeeeeeeeeeeel the loooooove

  63. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Biden’s List of Political Blunders

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/17/bidens-list-political-blunders/

  64. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    “”Paying for what you spend is basic common sense. Perhaps that’s why, here in Washington, it has been so elusive,” the president said Tuesday.”

    Did Obama just admit he has no common sense?

  65. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Biden Tells Law Enforcement Groups Sotomayor ‘Has Your Back’

    The comment touches on the hot-button issue of bias in the debate over Sonia Sotomayor, whose confirmation hearings could start as early as July if Democrats have their way.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/biden-tells-law-enforcement-groups-sotomayor/

  66. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Down 14 pts. how will it ever recover?

  67. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    “..the administration’s focus on PAYGO “seems more driven by polling and PR strategy than a serious commitment to fiscal discipline.”

    “It seems a tad disingenuous for the President and Speaker [Nancy] Pelosi to talk about PAYGO rules after ramming trillions in spending through Congress proposing policies that create more debt in the first six months of this year than in the previous 220 years combined,” Cantor, R-Virginia, said in a statement Tuesday.” (CNN)

    Ain’t that the truth.

  68. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Did Obama just admit he has no common sense?

    LMFAO. You nailed it.

  69. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    outlander
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:08 am | Permalink
    Well XXX there is what, another $632 billion or so out there? Let’s what kind of “return” we get there, or even if we get the money returned at all before we start celebrating. The banks that have already returned bailout funds already, probably didn’t need it in the first place.
    =========================

    Yup. And how much Interest is the Taxpayer PAYING for the $700 Billion that was BORROWED, in order to lend to the Banks. IF XXX is right in his math, the Government claims a return of 4.64% on the $68 Billion that was paid back. But what was the Net Interest Margin?

    For dummies:

    * We borrow $700 Billion and pay interest on this borrowed money, to the Chinese or whoever buys Gov’t T-bills. What’s the average rate of interest paid on those T-Bills? 4.55% as of yesterday.

    * We lend $700 Billion to the Banks.

    * Banks pay us back $68 plus 4.64% interest per XXX.

    * THAT IS a Net Interest Margin of 0.09% on just the amount that was paid back. (4.64% – 4.55%)

    *There’s still $632 Billion loaned out there with no return on it, in fact, we are still paying interest on that!

    Great return XXX. Something to be proud about.

    –Oh, and that $68 Billion, was it used to pay-off Debt or was it simply respent?

    If it wasn’t used to pay-off Debt, we are still Paying Interest of 4.55% on that money that we borrowed in the first place!

  70. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Down 14 pts. how will it ever recover?

    But… but… where is the obama loooooove you were talking about?

  71. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Say here’s an idea on transparency!

    With Obama’s new transparent Government, why doesn’t Obama give us a monthly financial statement on OUR investments?

    You know, show the math using actual numbers, similar to what you see on your bank statements and investment statements each month.

  72. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    For dummies:

    Thanks JJ. I was giving too much credit to libs. I thought they could add.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/open-thread-610-2/#comment-598341

  73. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Obama could also show us the math on how HE is calculating the number of Jobs Saved!

    For example:

    Obama might predict the job loss for June 2009 without the Stimulous to be 1.2 Million Jobs Lost for the month.

    To show the jobs saved –

    Obama might predict the jobs saved for June 2009 to be 600,000 with the Stimulous for a projected actual job loss in June 2009 to be just 600,000.

    Then, Obama could itemize exactly where those 600,000 jobs were saved by State and by Job Category.

    HE is so smart!

  74. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    “why doesn’t Obama give us a monthly financial statement on OUR investments?”

    I want MY piece of the money!!!!

    Of the 1.8 billion, as one of the 302 million Americans who owe $36,000 of the national debt –
    I demand my piece of the good return!

    I want my $5.96 cents!!!!!!!!!!!

  75. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Will Chrysler pay back the loans? Will GM? How many billions lost there and how much “interest” on the TARP funds will be needed to cover those losses?

  76. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:58 am | Permalink
    Looking like the markets are going to luv dem sum Obama today.

    ——-

    Really?

    You check Market Watch?

    June 10, 2009, 10:25 a.m. EST

    US Stocks Wilt After Early Gains Evaporates

  77. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Joe Biden. He’s what’s for dinner.

    “Vice President Joe Biden may have crossed the line when he assured national law enforcement groups Monday that Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor “has your back.”

    The remark quickly stirred criticism in the legal world, since Biden was making a pledge that a fair and objective justice would not necessarily be able to keep.”

    “That (comment) means that she could probably care less about civil liberties and just do whatever law enforcement wants,” Hall said.

    (foxnews)

  78. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    North Korean media said Wednesday that a U.S. pledge to extend its nuclear umbrella to South Korea and Japan over military threats from Pyongyang would consist of a declaration of nuclear war.

    Meanwhile, at the UN, Obama’s team…………..

  79. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Regular
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:34 am | Permalink
    blah blah blah

    dead horse

    beaten

  80. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    “In a racially charged interview, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright said that President Obama hasn’t spoken to him since they parted ways last year, because “them Jews aren’t going to let him talk to me.”

    He suggested White House advisers were keeping the two separate.

    “Them Jews aren’t going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he’ll talk to me in five years when he’s a lame duck, or in eight years when he’s out of office,” Wright said, according to Virginia’s Daily Press. “They will not let him … talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is.”

    Regarding Obama talking to him, I believe Rev Wright is right!

  81. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Remember in Nazi Germany, jews were portrayed as evil sleasy businessmen who took advantage of others to gain their wealth. The rich jews were the downfall of Germany – so they had to enact laws against them.

    Sound eerily familiar?

  82. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:56 am | Permalink
    Libs once bragged about a Clinton surplus. (that was back when they cared about the national debt)

    Now they are bragging about a payment to the government which isn’t even a .dot on the pile of debt Obama has already racked up.
    =========================

    Exactly!

    And they brag about a tiny SHORT-TERM success and you watch next, they’ll be talking about pay raises and bonuses for Congress for having such a great SHORT-TERM job.

    Rewarding SHORT-TERM success is what Congress criticized the banks, auto companies, and insurance companies for doing, remember?

  83. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Congress & O’bama can pat themselves on the backs and jump up and down and shout when in November 2010:

    * America remains safe, and FREEDOM is maintained.

    * ALL the troops are out of Iraq and home safely.

    * Afghanistan/Pakistan war is under control and troops are returning home safely.

    * Social Security/Medicare programs are fixed.

    * Nationwide 93% or more of Americans still have the insurance and doctors of their choice.

    * ALL the Tarp money has been repaid with interest.

    * Unemployment is back in the 5% range.

    * Inflation remains below 4%.

    * Interest rates remain in the 6% range for the mortgage market.

    * Delinquency rates are back to 4%.

    * Foreclosure rates are back to 1%.

  84. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Hey, CONs . . . deficits don’t matter, Reagan proved that.

    That’s what Cheney says . . .

    Kinda late to get religion on the national debt since Reagan and Bush and Bush ran it all up since it was at an all-time low under Carter.

    I almost forgot, your motto is do as we say, not as we do (and sometimes ignore what we say too . . . )

  85. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    All of a sudden…

    Deficits don’t matter to Capn anymore.

    Go figure….

  86. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    You know how SolDevo keeps touting something he got of WorldNetDaily about “global cooling?”

    Uh, yeah . . . here’re the facts from actual, you know, scientists:

    Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000, according to the Goddard Institute for Space Studies analysis [see ref. 1] of surface air temperature measurements.

    OMYGORSH! Soldevo is right!

    But wait:

    In our analysis, 2008 is the ninth warmest year in the period of instrumental measurements, which extends back to 1880 (left panel of Fig. 1). The ten warmest years all occur within the 12-year period 1997-2008.

    Ahhh, you just have to ignore the rest of the quote to get the results you want.

    Kinda like TONS AND TONS OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ!!!

    Accept the speck of evidence you like and ignore the logpile of evidence you don’t like.

  87. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Obama’s Forecast WITH and WITHOUT The Stimulous Recovery Plan!

    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obamas_jobs_created_or_saved_line_may_be_dumbest_bit_of_political_posturing/

    Note how we have nearly reached the point Obama said we would reach WITHOUT The Stimulous Recovery Plan!

  88. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    For JULY 2009:

    Obama might predict the job loss without the Stimulous to be 5 Million Jobs Lost for the month.

    To show the jobs saved –

    Obama might predict the jobs saved for June 2009 to be 4.5 Million with the Stimulous for a projected actual job loss just 500,000.

    THE ONE is so smart!

  89. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Max–

    Deficits totally DO matter.

    But there’s good deficits and bad deficits.

    Deficits to save the banking system of the United States and by extension the World is a good thing.

    Deficits to funnel money to Blackwater and Halliburton in an illegal and immoral unnecessary war are not a good thing.

    Deficits are really loans we take out for spending, nothing more. If you take out a loan to fix the leaky plumbing of your house, that’s a good thing.

    If you take out a loan so you can go on a spending spree in Vegas, that’s a bad thing.

  90. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Ahhhhhhhh……That’s Better!

    Move the Gitmo Prisoners from one island to another island.

    Now doesn’t that just make you FEEL BETTER!?!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/09/report-obama-administration-talks-palau-resettle-uighur-detainees/

    Palau Agrees to Take Uighur Gitmo Detainees
    The South Pacific island nation of Palau has agreed to “temporarily resettle” the 17 Uighurs, or Chinese Muslims, currently being held at Guantanamo Bay.

  91. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    CONs pretend that ALL government spending is bad . . . and then they run up the most massive deficits and debt that the country has ever seen.

    That’s what happens when you spend money on welfare for the rich.

  92. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how smart Obama is, Max.

    But I’m pretty sure he knows how to spell Stimulous.

    It’s “stimulus,” from “stimulating,” or exactly what your posts aren’t.

  93. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    For AUGUST 2009:

    Obama might predict the job loss without the Stimulous to be 15 Million Jobs Lost for the month.

    To show the jobs saved –

    Obama might predict the jobs saved for June 2009 to be 14.5 Million with the Stimulous for a projected actual job loss just 500,000.

    THE ONE is so smart!

  94. CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Max–

    For heaven’s sake, man, it’s STIMULUS, STIMULUS, STIMULUS.

    You’re making my head hurt.

  95. gster
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    “CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
    Max–

    For heaven’s sake, man, it’s STIMULUS, STIMULUS, STIMULUS.

    You’re making my head hurt”

    CA- Relax, he’s using Bushphonicsisms.

  96. george
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Congress regulates corporate pay? Wrong?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31193268/

  97. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    “CapnAmerica” –

    As much as I generally dislike spell flames –

    “For heaven’s sake, man, it’s STIMULUS, STIMULUS, STIMULUS.”

    …made me chuckle.

  98. gster
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    “Stimulust? Isn’t that what ya get from reading Playboy?”– GWB

  99. Jed
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Some jackass just walked into the Holocaust Museum in DC and shot three people. I guess the culture wars are starting off with a bang!

  100. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:20 pm | Permalink
    Max–

    Deficits totally DO matter.

    But there’s good deficits and bad deficits.
    ===============================================

    Depends on which political party is in power.

    (I suspect AmWay will jump in on this one at some point, since I recall he and Capn debating this for hours before)

  101. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Corporate Welfare is also good or bad,

    depending of course on -

    Which political party is in power.

  102. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    And Capn, those bank bailouts had nothing to do with saving those banks or the financial system. The money was forced on them. They didn’t need it. Why do you think so many are begging for permission to pay it back already?

    It had everything to do with Government control.

    Your Dems are quickly becoming Marxists.

  103. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Jed
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:52 pm | Permalink
    Some jackass just walked into the Holocaust Museum in DC and shot three people. I guess the culture wars are starting off with a bang!

    ———————

    Rev Wright maybe?

  104. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I thought it was illegal to carry a gun in DC?

  105. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    donndublin posted June 10, 2009 at 8:56 am

    Any body want to bet that after the summer season Arctic will have more ice than last year?
    ———————

    http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    June 3, 2009
    Melt season gains momentum

  106. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Preliminary reports on shooter:

    Born in 1920
    White Supremacist connections
    weapon was a shotgun

  107. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    It’s June Cosmos.

    It melts in the Arctic in the Summertime.

  108. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Link Daniel?

    I read it was a rifle. Saw no details on the shooter.

    http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10510495&nav=menu66_2

    A D.C. police spokeswoman says a person walked into the museum with a rifle and shot a guard. She says the shooter was also shot. Both were taken to a hospital.

  109. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    No link…..watching this on television.

  110. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Or a shotgun.

    Early newsreports not very accurate. Not that later reports are accurate.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/06/10/ST2009061001808.html

    U.S. Park Police said a gunman armed with a shotgun opened fire on the security guard and that other security guards returned fire. The gunman was reported wounded.

    The shooting was reported to police at 12:52 p.m., and officers rushed to the scene just south of Independence Ave. bordering the Mall.

    D.C. Fire Department spokesman Alan Etter said there was no immediate information on the shooter. He said two men were transported to a hospital with “serious” gunshot wounds.

    One witness, Dave Unruh, of Wichita, Kan., said he was waiting to enter the museum when he heard one gunshot, then a sequence of four or five gunshots. He said he then heard someone scream, “Hit the floor!” He and his wife, Karen, and their two teenage grandchildren hit the floor and were subsequently herded out of the building by authorities

  111. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    James Whittaker von Braun……spelling may not be accurate.

  112. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh, it was a Long Gun!

    http://www.canada.com/news/national/wounded+Washington+museum+shooting/1682094/story.html

    “And I see all these security guards kind of like ducking. I kind of glanced again and saw a gunman coming in . . . a long looking kind of gun. I just ran in to one of the exhibits to try to take cover.

  113. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm | Permalink
    Preliminary reports on shooter:

    Born in 1920
    ========================

    WTF?

    Was he shooting from his Little Rascal?

  114. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    WTF?

    Was he shooting from his Little Rascal?
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    That’s ageist. ;)

  115. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Arrested in 1981 for entering the Federal Reserve office carrying weapons and saying that he wanted to make a ‘citizens arrest’ of Federal Reserve board members.

    He complained that the trial that followed this arrest was tainted because the Judge was Jewish as were some members of the jury.

  116. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Apparently, back in 1981 the suspect had a charge about bringing a gun to the Federal Reserve. I’m guessing this guy was one of those nuts who believe the Jews run the banks too. He’s 89 years old.

    I’m thinking he isn’t getting out of prison this time.

  117. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Doh, you beat me to it.

  118. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    James W. Von Brunn, total nut. This is his website:
    http://www.holywesternempire.org/

  119. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Pure speculation on my part…..I bet he was pizzed about Obama’s birth certificate, too.

  120. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Just another “lone right wing nut.”

    Just like the previous “lone right wing nut.”

    And the “lone right wing nut” before him.

    And that “lone right wing nut” who preceded him.

    Or the “lone” right wing nut before that.

    CONs who rationalize these events as “one bad apple” forget the rest of that old adage.

  121. Maggotpunk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Apparently he’s an artist, just like his idol Hitler.

    http://www.askart.com/AskART/artist.aspx?artist=120881&redir

  122. Regular
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Looney Toons and Libs have something in common,

    no wait…they are both the same…

  123. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    http://www.holywesternempire.org/

    This guy and Obama’s preacher have a lot in common.

  124. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what this kook thought he was going to accomplish by shooting people at a museum?

  125. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Suicide by cop? Go out in a blaze of glory and take a few Jews with him?

    Who knows…

  126. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
    Just another “lone right wing nut.”

    Just like the previous “lone right wing nut.”

    And the “lone right wing nut” before him.

    And that “lone right wing nut” who preceded him.

    Or the “lone” right wing nut before that.

    CONs who rationalize these events as “one bad apple” forget the rest of that old adage.
    ==========================

    I suppose if one black man commits a crime, that Monkeyhawk would stereotype all black men as criminals.

  127. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    If Tenet is right, it’s a good thing KSM was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee. “The administration has decided to change the focus to law enforcement. Here’s the problem. You have foreign fighters who are targeting US troops today – foreign fighters who go to another country to kill Americans. We capture them…and they’re reading them their rights – Mirandizing these foreign fighters,” says Representative Mike Rogers, who recently met with military, intelligence and law enforcement officials on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/miranda_rights_for_terrorists.asp

  128. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
    Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    ———————————–

    Must be a first time in history moment…

    When have Americans at war ever before read Miranda rights to the enemy captured in war?

  129. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Obama will order the USMC to start putting daisies in the ends of their M-16’s?

  130. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:08 pm | Permalink
    Hey, CONs . . . deficits don’t matter, Reagan proved that.

    That’s what Cheney says . . .

    ——————————————————————————————-

    Who gives a schit what cheney said. He your new personal hero or something?

    ___________________________________________________________

    Kinda late to get religion on the national debt since Reagan and Bush and Bush ran it all up since it was at an all-time low under Carter.

    And obama tripled the debt in under 100 days?

    ********************************************************

    CapnAmerica
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 12:16 pm | Permalink
    You know how SolDevo keeps touting something he got of WorldNetDaily about “global cooling?”

    Back up, boy. You got the wrong poster. Again

  131. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    That answers that question about gays in the military.

  132. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    When have Americans at war ever before read Miranda rights to the enemy captured in war?
    ============================================

    “Excuse me sir, would you please disable the bomb strapped to your chest…Hey, hey, please stop cutting off that Infidel’s head!…I’ll pepper spray your ass!!”

    Fuqin’ LIBs….

  133. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    And obama tripled the debt in under 100 days?
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    What is the current level of the national debt?

  134. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
    Just another “lone right wing nut.”

    Just like the previous “lone right wing nut.”

    And the “lone right wing nut” before him.

    And that “lone right wing nut” who preceded him.

    Or the “lone” right wing nut before that.

    CONs who rationalize these events as “one bad apple” forget the rest of that old adage.

    _______________________________________________

    You’re right, it is a conspiracy. You must have listened in to one of the secret meetings.
    Loosen the tinfoil. You’ve cut off circulation.

    BTW, you are next on the list. Have a nice day ;~>

  135. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    What is the current level of the national debt?
    ===============================================

    I’m not sure what the conversion is from dollars to yuan.

  136. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    On a side note –

    They’ve fired Miss California Carrie Prejean.

    The spin:

    ” Prejean has aspirations to write a book and pursue other opportunities, which she will be able to do now that she has been released from her duties as Miss California.”

    I bet she has aspirations to read a book, too, someday.

    My bet is she’ll be a Fakes News Channel anchor by Labor Day.

  137. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk thinks women are stupid.

  138. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    “SolDevVB” threatens –

    “…you are next on the list.”

    Now that’s just silly.

    What have I ever done or said that might offend right wing-nuts?

  139. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
    “SolDevVB” threatens –

    If you believe the conspiracy and that you are next on the list, guess you should feel threatened. Again, loosen the tinfoil. You’ve cut off circulation.

  140. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    “ANTI” posted –

    “Monkeyhawk thinks women are Carrie Prejean is stupid.

    Just corrected that for ya, “ANTI.”

    It was a natural reaction for you as soon as I mentioned she has Faux Noise Channel anchor potential.

  141. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure what the conversion is from dollars to yuan.
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    1 dollar = 6.83 yuan

  142. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
    The Outstanding Public Debt as of 10 Jun 2009 at 06:56:53 PM GMT is:

    11,397,462,865,133.28

    The estimated population of the United States is 306,343,436
    so each citizen’s share of this debt is $37,204.85.

    ____________________________________________________

    Question is, does that cover porkulous and all te rest of obama’s spending? Big three bailouts, TARP, omnibus bill?

  143. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Faux Noise Channel
    ====================

    Never heard of it.

    What does fake/false noise sound like?

  144. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    That’s about where I thought the National Debt was. It didn’t seem plausible that it had risen to 30 Trillion in Obama’s first 100 days.

    Thanks for the info.

  145. Barnie
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    So really we need to naturalize all the illegal mexicans as fast as possible, so everybody’s share of the national debt goes down because it’s diluted with more people counted as citizens.

  146. Barnie
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s safe to say, illegals aren’t carrying their own weight around here. So instead of kicking them out, it would make sense to speed them through a naturalization process, so we can collect taxes from them.

  147. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Damn, “SolDevVB” –

    Do you even read what you respond to?

    I mean –

    “If you believe the conspiracy and that you are next on the list….”

    …is about 180 degrees opposite of what I posted.

    I couldn’t possibly be on your e”list.”

    I’ve done nothing to incur the wrath of crazy right wing-nuts.

    There’s no possible way any of ‘em could take offense to what I post in this forum. Most certainly there’s not one “lone” nut who might take it upon himself (or “herself — tip o’ the hat to “okobserver”) to wish me ill.

    And a “conspiracy” of “lone” nuts? That’s an oxymoron.

    You’re coming off as an oxymoron yourself, “SolDevVB.” Or, at least, half of one.

  148. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    And obama tripled the debt in under 100 days?

    In one month, Obama Triples Debt he “inherited” from Bush

    http://redundapundit.com/blog/?p=133

  149. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Barnie
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
    I think it’s safe to say, illegals aren’t carrying their own weight around here. So instead of kicking them out, it would make sense to speed them through a naturalization process, so we can collect taxes from them.
    =======================================

    No.

    They are unwanted.

    Let’s abort them.

  150. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    To refresh your memory monkey

    Just another “lone right wing nut.”

    Just like the previous “lone right wing nut.”

    And the “lone right wing nut” before him.

    And that “lone right wing nut” who preceded him.

    Or the “lone” right wing nut before that.

    CONs who rationalize these events as “one bad apple” forget the rest of that old adage.

  151. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB,

    I think the headline writer in the article you linked meant deficit, not debt. Read the Obama quote in the linked article.

    The deficit is the yearly shortfall and the debt is the cumulative effect of all the yearly shortfalls.

  152. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    The deficit is the yearly shortfall and the debt is the cumulative effect of all the yearly shortfalls.

    Yes yes. I misspoke. Thank you.

  153. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    “SolDevVB” has another WHOOOOSH! moment with –

    To refresh your memory monkey

    “Just another “lone right wing nut.”

    Just like the previous “lone right wing nut.”

    And the “lone right wing nut” before him.

    And that “lone right wing nut” who preceded him.

    Or the “lone” right wing nut before that.

    CONs who rationalize these events as “one bad apple” forget the rest of that old adage.

    Yeah?

    And…?

  154. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    l o o s e n
    t h e
    t i n f o i l .

    And only one glass of kookaid per day.

  155. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Yet another Right Wing gun nut terrorist opens fire at the Holocaust museum.

    Maybe this is the summer of “Right Wing Gun Nuts for Palin” activities.

  156. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Well, The good news is that Von Brunn took a lead projectile in the head and will probably die…

    No real use in putting him in jail for life, just put him in the ground.

    I haven’t heard what condition the guard is in, but hopefully he pulls through.

  157. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:23 pm | Permalink
    ==========================================

    Obama’s Preacher has the same attitude as Von Brunn.

    Is Wright a right wing nut?

  158. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    No but this and Roeder certainly plays very well with Palin’s base.

  159. GMC70
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    It’s obvious, satatom, you know nothing about Palin’s base.

  160. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Obama and Black Pastors have blood on their hands.

  161. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Wright should be investigated to see if he was behind this shooting.

  162. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    #
    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Obama and Black Pastors have blood on their hands.
    =-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    I’d point out the possibility of that not being blood but instead BBQ sauce, but you fuggers would label me a racist, so I won’t.

  163. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Jesse Jackson should also be investigated for his terroristic speech towards Jews.

  164. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    I’d point out the possibility of that not being blood but instead BBQ sauce, but you fuggers would label me a racist, so I won’t.
    ========================================

    Thanks Daniel,

    I am thankful that you didn’t say that black people have BBQ sauce running through their veins.

  165. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    If Tenet is right, it’s a good thing KSM was captured before Barack Obama became president. For, the Obama Justice Department has quietly ordered FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high value detainees captured and held at U.S. detention facilities in Afghanistan, according a senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee.

    Flashback: Obama in March: ‘Now, do these folks deserve Miranda rights? Do they deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not.’

  166. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see…Palin’s base….Right Wing Christian bigots that cling to their guns and Bibles and believe that Jews are damned because theydon’t accept Jesus as God.

    Nope…I got Palin’s base right… Roeder and this idiot fit like a glove.

  167. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Welcome to the NEW Republican minority…Roeder, Von Brunn, Limbaugh, Palin, Hitler.

    Sucks to be a Republican.

  168. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    satatom = bigot

  169. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    hahahahahahahahahahaha

    You got the gun nuts in YOUR party.

  170. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    We need you investigate the Democrat Jew haters to see who put Von Brunn up to this. They should all be charged with the shooting.

  171. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Byrd is also and old Jew hater.

    Byrd and Von Brunn were likely friends.

  172. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:45 pm | Permalink
    hahahahahahahahahahaha

    You got the gun nuts in YOUR party.
    ====================================

    Yes we do.

    Perhaps you should think things through.

    :-)

  173. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    OK, now that I have posted many asinine accusations, I am going to step out of the crazy LIB mindset and climb back into my rational conservative mind.

  174. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    #
    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    OK, now that I have posted many asinine accusations, I am going to step out of the crazy LIB mindset and climb back into my rational conservative mind.
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    So, how do you enter the crazy LIB mindset? Pray before a shrine to Jane Fonda? Self-hypnosis? Partake of the Green Goddess?

  175. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Partake of the Green Goddess?

    How much that run ya?

  176. Monkeyhawk
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    “GMC70″ returns from a long lunch and immediately (at 2:30pm) returns to work the Internet –

    “It’s obvious, satatom, you know nothing about Palin’s base.”

    And the point is, neither does she!

    As explained and cited upthread, the Moose-Dresser has proven herself to be an incompetent politician.

    Newtie Gingrich is rising from the political dead (and, of course one-third of his wives’ death beds) with ripping the keynote address at a major Repubic party congressional fundraiser Monday night from the keen sights of a helicopter wolf-shooter.

    Newt Gingrich!!

    If only Sarah could see the Repubic Party from her porch she might have had a clue these particular funders at the dinner weren’t the ones she should rebuke.

    It turns out most Palin-tologists are hoping she might somehow, some way, attract 2008’s Paul-bearers and raise funds outside the Repubic Party system the Newt’s already sewn up.

    And I’m just salivating at seeing “Palin’s base” complain that it’s unfair the “libruhl” media reported Sarah got a D+ in Economics at North Idaho Community College when, in fact, “…she got the grade changed to an ‘Incomplete!.’”

    There’s nothing standing in the way of Sarah Palin becoming the obscure answer to a trivia question ten years hence.

    And the clue will be:

    “Worst Alaska Governor ever.”

  177. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    So, how do you enter the crazy LIB mindset?
    =================================================

    I fall down the stairs face first…Three times.

  178. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for letting us know how you came to be so brain damaged anti.

    Bigotbawks told us how his brain got damaged yesterday.

    Perhaps some of the other Pubes will let us know how they destroyed their brains as well.

  179. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    You are correct satatom, Liberalism causes brain damage.

    However, I am blessed with a skull that is as strong as a bank vault. The effects of Liberalism are only temporary for me and cause no brain damage.

    Thank you for your concern,

    ANTI

  180. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Federal Deficit Soars to May Record of $189.7B

    The Treasury Department reported Wednesday that the red ink so far this year totals $991.9 billion and the administration is projecting the deficit for the budget year that began Oct. 1, will total an all-time record of $1.84 trillion..

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/federal-deficit-soars-record-b/

  181. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    The Treasury Department reported Wednesday that the red ink so far this year totals $991.9 billion. The administration is projecting the deficit for the budget year that began Oct. 1, will total an all-time record of $1.84 trillion. That would be more than four times the amount of last year’s record deficit.

  182. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    sO ANOTHER rwe crawls out of the woodwork to make his mark. Surveilance on these terrorist types needs to be increased.

  183. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    The guy that killed the guard at the holocaust museum was also convicted of trying to make a citizen’s arrest of the Fed govs., and sent to jail for about 8 yrs.
    Anybody you know pleef?

  184. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    I am blessed with a skull that is as strong as a bank vault.
    -=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    I’d make a joke about the relative thickness of the Neanderthal skull compared to the skull of modern man but I wouldn’t want you to take it the wrong way, so I won’t. ;)

  185. Boxlock20
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    As I read down through most of the DimLib’s posts it is quite depressing knowing there is such filth in this country.
    Liberalism is truly a mental disease, and that is clearly evident here.
    The only thing that “sucks” about being Conservative or Republican, as the dimwit stated, is having to live around the filth of the DimLibs.
    But one thing brings me back up today….Tiller’s death house is CLOSED….ha ha ha! Too bad it took a murder to close it, thank the DimLibs for that too.

  186. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    You know, if it wasn’t for that white supremecist in DC, there would be hardly ANY crime in Washington DC. (You know they can’t legally carry guns there.)

    Here’s the brief crime log from May 10, 2009 through June 9, 2009:

    Homicide – 14
    Sex Abuse – 12
    Robbery Excluding Gun - 241
    Robbery With Gun - 123
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Excluding Gun – 173
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Gun - 50
    Total Violent Crime – 613
    Burglary - 319
    Theft - 719
    Theft F/Auto - 726
    Stolen Auto - 364
    Arson - 3
    Total Property Crime - 2131
    Total Crime - 2744

    (Only 14 murders in the last 30 days!)

    http://crimemap.dc.gov/presentation/report.asp

  187. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    I’d make a joke about the relative thickness of the Neanderthal skull compared to the skull of modern man but I wouldn’t want you to take it the wrong way, so I won’t. ;)
    =====================================

    That is OK Daniel, I have thick skin too!

  188. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Just over 20 VIOLENT crimes in Washington DC every day!

    Not bad!

    Gun Control works!

  189. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Von Brunn used to be the commander of a PT boat, and was decorated. Sounds like he fit the profile the govt. was trying to warn us about.

  190. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Victory lap, Boxlock20?

    It’s evident where your familiarity with ‘filth’ comes from.

  191. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Abortion Foes Interested in Buying Slain Kansas Doctor’s Clinic

    Who called this?

  192. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Roeder was yesterday’s rwe, his 15 minutes was short lived, how long will von brun’s infamy last.

  193. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    That is OK Daniel, I have thick skin too!
    -=-=-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    You’re one of few.

  194. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    #
    SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Abortion Foes Interested in Buying Slain Kansas Doctor’s Clinic

    Who called this?
    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    Adam Smith?

  195. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Dow down about 24 pts., where’d the love go?

  196. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:43 pm | Permalink
    Dow down about 24 pts., where’d the love go?
    ———————————————-

    You will find it in the schitter….

    The pile is getting bigger each day.

  197. writerdog
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    The Guard has died.

  198. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Funny how they track crimes in DC with or without a gun.

    It’s also very surprising how many more crimes occur without guns then with guns.

    Could it be that the guns themselves, don’t cause the crimes? Hmmm….

    There must be another cause for crime, other then guns.

    Robbery Excluding Gun – 241
    Robbery With Gun – 123
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Excluding Gun – 173
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Gun – 50

  199. SolDevVB
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Another Obama Nominee Faces Potentially Tough Confirmation

    Donald Remy, a former executive at Fannie Mae, met behind closed doors on Wednesday in a follow-up session with Senate Armed Services Committee members, and according to a congressional official with knowledge of what was said in the room, “it did not go well.”

  200. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Ahhh, that data is just from one month.

    Maybe it’s a fluke that more crimes occur without guns then with guns.

    Need to check a longer time period.

  201. Hud
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    “Dow down about 24 pts., where’d the love go?”

    Puppy love?

  202. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    2 Years Crime Data – Washington, DC

    Homicide - 346
    Sex Abuse - 754
    Robbery Excluding Gun - 5812
    Robbery With Gun - 3133
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Excluding Gun - 4171
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Gun - 1518 Total Violent Crime - 15734
    Burglary - 7649
    Theft - 18223
    Theft F/Auto - 16884
    Stolen Auto - 10744
    Arson - 104
    Total Property Crime - 53604
    Total Crime - 69338

  203. writerdog
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Well today will certainly take the focus off of Pro-life and on to the Clan, Arian nation and the like. Though I would imagine the White power groups are not too happy about it being back on them?

    Is Shepherd Smith a liberal? He was talking about the killing today and went off on those who do not base their hatred on any real substance. He even went after those who believe and keep spreading the Obama Birth place crap. He basically said that anyone that is still questioning Obama’s citizenship and believing he was not born in the U.S. has more hatred then common sense. And he is on Fox news… He keep’s that up I wonder how much longer?

  204. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Link:
    http://crimemap.dc.gov/presentation/report.asp

    Robbery Excluding Gun – 5812
    Robbery With Gun – 3133
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Excluding Gun – 4171
    Assault Dangerous Weapon (ADW) Gun – 1518 Total Violent Crime – 15734

    Same Trend. More crime is committed in Washington DC without a gun, then with a gun.

    Guns must not cause crimes by themseles!

  205. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Over the last 2 years, Washington DC averaged 22 violent crimes every day!

    This included 1 murder every other day!

    Safe Gunfree City, ain’t it?

  206. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    writerdog,

    It is interesting that many of the ‘white supremacy’ groups have a lot of hate towards each other. One group will often hate the skin heads or AB(for example) for being not pure or not right with the true cause.

    I suppose this is good, because if these groups got along and united it would not be good for the world.

  207. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Say writer, if you want to talk about white arian crime, tell us, in your infinite wisdom, how much of our nations crime is committed by these white arians you mention?

    Say in Washington DC, in the last 2 years, how many of those 15,734 crimes were committed by white arians?

    How many were committed by other ‘groups’ you like to label?

  208. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    In keeping the ‘focus’ on these groups of people writerdog, are you not doing the very same thing you accuse them of doing?

    Stereotyping and labeling individuals into groups that you can blame and hate for everything?

  209. Daniel
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson,

    Typically, members of Aryan and Klan groups identify themselves as such. Writerdog never said all white people hold these views unless you’re reading between some lines that I can’t see.

  210. Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    The only lines Johnson sees are white powder lines on a small mirror… LOL

  211. Jed
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Ant,
    “It is interesting that many of the ‘white supremacy’ groups have a lot of hate towards each other. One group will often hate the skin heads or AB(for example) for being not pure or not right with the true cause.

    I suppose this is good, because if these groups got along and united it would not be good for the world.”

    Same goes for a lot of christian groups as well. At the clinics, the catholics never showed up at the same time as the protestant protesters and if they happened to overlap times, kept their distance from each other. Among protestant sects, there’s a lot of outright hatred too. I’ve heard several posters on this blog make anti-mennonite and anti-methodist statements and refuse to acknowledge each other as “true christians.”

  212. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Jed,

    That happens in all large groups…’I am better than you’ is human nature and doesn’t follow political boundaries.

  213. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    writerdog
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 3:54 pm | Permalink
    Well today will certainly take the focus off of Pro-life and on to the Clan, Arian nation and the like. Though I would imagine the White power groups are not too happy about it being back on them?
    =====================

    Who is “today”?

    Who are the “White power groups”? You mean the KKK the Arian nation extremist groups? Not sure who “and the like” is.

    Why would the “White power groups” not want any focus? Don’t they like attention and publicity?

    It seems Writer is rushing to many judgements within hours of a murder and placing blame before the bodies are even cold. Writer seems excited by this news, for some reason, as if murder doesn’t happen every other day in Washington DC.

    And so is the press and the Mayor btw. Does the Mayor hold a news conference every other day whenever there is a murder in Washington DC? Nope.

    Why is the murder of this security guard more newsworthy then the other 180 murders in Washington DC in the last year?

  214. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:22 pm | Permalink
    The only lines Johnson sees are white powder lines on a small mirror… LOL
    =========================

    Chas LIES again.

    SSDD

  215. TomPaine
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Daniel, more likey JJohnson holds those kind of views. Explains his attacks on Dog and his posting of DC crime stats, to try and deflect the crimes of Right wing wackos buy blaming blacks for the crime in DC

  216. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Bet the guy had extremely strong empathy for the waco folks too.

  217. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Tom, when did I blame the blacks for crime in DC?

    Those are YOUR words.

  218. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Bet the guy had extremely strong empathy for the waco folks too.
    ===========================

    I bet the guy liked cotton candy and read ‘Rules for Radical’ while on the hopper too.

  219. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Officer down doing his duty to protect the public, guess some folks just can’t respect that. Bet he’ll have a big heroes funeral.

  220. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    missed an ’s’.

  221. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Home grown terrorist are a significant threat to the U.S., need more wire taps.

  222. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:35 pm | Permalink
    Bet the guy had extremely strong empathy for the waco folks too.
    ————————-

    You didn’t care about the women and children who died there?

  223. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:38 pm | Permalink
    Home grown terrorist are a significant threat to the U.S., need more wire taps.

    ———————————–

    Yes, less Freedom. You praised Bush for wiretapping, didn’t you?

    (Phantom, pay no attention to those random beep sounds on your phone.)

  224. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:38 pm | Permalink
    Home grown terrorist are a significant threat to the U.S., need more wire taps.
    =======================================

    I thought you people we against warrantless wire taps?

  225. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    dammit…were!

  226. Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Who said anything about warrantless wiretaps?? By all means, get the warrants…. still need more wietaps…

  227. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Only if they’re directed at us, ok to wire tap wingnuts.

  228. ANTI
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:48 pm | Permalink
    Only if they’re directed at us, ok to wire tap wingnuts.
    ==========================================

    Phantom is an excellent example of a Left Wing Extremist.

    Congratulations, you are on the same list a BlueJay.

    Pick up your uniform at the city dump.

  229. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
    Who said anything about warrantless wiretaps?? By all means, get the warrants…. still need more wietaps…
    —————-

    How many are there now?

    How many more do we need?

  230. george
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Rush on a roll again. Headlines about our nanny government, cars and even women’s wear on the One’s wife.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_061009/content/01125104.guest.html

  231. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like the pentagon is getting ready for yet another round of tanker bids. They should stop and ask themselves is it even safe for the pilots to be flying an a330 like the one that’s in the ocean?

  232. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    They could start with a list of all the people that call in to limbaugh, since he self identified as one of the rw that was being singled out. Then work from there, surely the nsa has the capability.

  233. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:13 pm | Permalink
    Sounds like the pentagon is getting ready for yet another round of tanker bids. They should stop and ask themselves is it even safe for the pilots to be flying an a330 like the one that’s in the ocean?
    —————————————————-

    You know, it wasn’t that many years ago when transatlantic or transpacific jets had to have more then 2 engines to be considered safe. I’m surprised I haven’t seen any speculation on that among the numerous theories as to what went wrong.

    Making the trip to Europe 3 times and back always made me a little nervous.

    I know, statistically, flying is safe. But siht happens.

  234. cosmos_originally
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson posted June 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    It’s June Cosmos.

    It melts in the Arctic in the Summertime.
    ———————-

    Yes, it does, jj. . .

    donndublin
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Any body want to bet that after the summer season Arctic will have more ice than last year?
    —————————————–

    See the graphs of the melting.

    cosmos_originally
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

    June 3, 2009
    Melt season gains momentum

  235. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Another good lead would be Jon Voight, and any groups he addresses or associates with. The guy sounds like a rw nutcase.

  236. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like the chief suspect so far is the pitot tubes, kind of important to know how fast you’re going. When I saw that tail fin floating reminded me of the airbus that lost its stabilizer a few yrs. ago.

  237. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:05 pm | Permalink
    Sounds like the chief suspect so far is the pitot tubes, kind of important to know how fast you’re going. When I saw that tail fin floating reminded me of the airbus that lost its stabilizer a few yrs. ago.
    ———————

    Yeah, kinda scary knowing something as simple as a broken speedometer or two, could bring a jet down.

    In a storm, not sure they could use GPS to doublecheck the speed indicators, or maybe their not set-up to do this.

    And with so many computer controls relying on the speed readings, and impacting rudders and all, not sure I want to fly an Airbus anytime soon.

    Sounds like Airbus knew there was a problem with the speed indicators.

    Another issue is whether the flight path could have been altered to find a way around the storms. This would extend the flight time though, and there’s much pressure on pilots to stay on time.

  238. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if 4 engines would have given the additional power needed to avoid a stall or recover from it? (If that’s what happened.)

  239. FilmFan
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Good evening to all – haters and lovemen/women alike: I’m not discriminatin’ – ’cause I’ve got a question for everyone this evening. ‘Cause the FilmFan’s in a quandary.

    After a very difficult period of unemployment last year (owing to my non-English-speaking boss and my denial for unemployment benefits), I am now working two jobs. It’s either feast or famine, it seems, and I’m feedin’ on a fulsome feast – because I need it.

    I began my 36-hour-per-week job in late January, and soon found that I couldn’t make all ends meet on that job alone. So, I pursued a government-related job as well. I passed the tests with aplomb; I passed the intensive training with some hair-pulling; but I got hired. So what’s the problemo?

    Well…….

    S–t – I’m gettin’ sick of breaking these posts up.

  240. FilmFan
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Well, I’m now working nearly 65 hours per week – and my aging bodola ain’t likin’ it much.

    It’s not the work itself: I love the work and I love being busy (keeps my mind off other things).

    It’s this: I work until 3:00 a.m. (sometimes 4:00 a.m.), and my body doesn’t like to allow me to sleep late. My internal alarm clock screams in the early mornin’ – and it took me this long to even be able to grab 5-6 hours of sleep if I’m lucky enough to sleep till 10:00 a.m.

    In short – I’m pooped. And getting older daily. And feeling it. In short, I’m f–king exhausted, and last night my boss at my 2nd job took pity on me and allowed me to work my regular shift and not work the hour of overtime they asked for. ‘Cause FilmFan was about to collapse.

    How tired was I? I started to get acid flashbacks – and I’ve never taken LSD. I started to sing the “Brady Bunch” theme song in the ladies’ loo – just to keep myself awake. I started to picture Randall Terry demanding his divine/marital rights….

    Yes, folks – it’s that bad. FilmFan’s exhausted…..and it ain’t good.

  241. FilmFan
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    It ain’t groovy because a whole lotta what we used to call “heavy s–t” has gone down in the past several weeks.

    Dear Dr. Tiller’s tragic death has left me in a semi-stuporous haze of sorrow – for a myriad of reasons. Add extreme tiredness to the mix and I’ve come to the conclusion: Something’s got to give – and soon.

    Either I’ve got to change my working hours or drop one of my jobs or I’m going to start excising body parts and servin’ ‘em up to my goldfishies.

    My question is: Do any of you work two jobs and do any of you have any helpful hints as to how I can handle this with more aplomb?

    In a couple hours, I’m off to my second job, and if we’re asked to stay an extra hour (or more), I really can’t push my luck and ask for time off again. Thankfully, I’m getting excellent evaluations at both jobs, but as we all know, you can’t push yer luck on the job.

    Five-six hours of sleep used to be enough. But Big Bertha is older now – and it ain’t only The Twin Wonders who are drooping. This chick needs her sleep – and fast. Otherwise, I’m gonna take my childhood Bible, find the passage about Methuzula and shove it into the nearest amazonian a–ho-e (i.e., mine).

    Just ’cause I can….

  242. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    If a Bill is not passed within the next two weeks, there is no way we can stop this pending disaster:

    Study: Earth May Collide With Another Planet

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525706,00.html

  243. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 5:03 pm | Permalink
    Chas
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 4:47 pm | Permalink
    Who said anything about warrantless wiretaps?? By all means, get the warrants…. still need more wietaps…
    —————-

    How many are there now?

    How many more do we need?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Chas, you still lookin?

    Any facts, or you just making siht up again?

  244. JimJohnson
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    FilmFan,

    I can’t tell you how much I admire your posts. You should consider writing and publishing a book someday soon.

    Thank you for your enlightening commentary here.

  245. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Great Britian’s Public Healthcare

    Woman with breast cancer told to die – medicine too expensive

    “Thousands of patients with terminal cancer were dealt a blow last night after a decision was made to deny them life prolonging drugs.

    The Government’s rationing body said two drugs for advanced breast cancer and a rare form of stomach cancer were too expensive for the NHS.

    The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is expected to confirm guidance in the next few weeks that will effectively ban their use.

    The move comes despite a pledge by Nice to be more flexible in giving life-extending drugs to terminally-ill cancer patients after a public outcry last year over ‘death sentence’ decisions. L
    eading campaigners last night said Nice had failed the ‘acid test’ of whether it really intended to give new priority to people with just a few months to live.

    One drug, Lapatinib, can halve the speed of growth of breast cancer in one in five women with an aggressive form of the disease.

    Dr Gillian Leng, Nice deputy chief executive, said ‘The committee concluded that Lapatinib is not a cost-effective use of NHS resources when compared with current treatment.’

    Up to 1,500 stomach cancer patients also face a ban on Sutent – the only drug that can extend their lives.

    Draft guidance by Nice said the drug should not be used even though it approved its use for kidney cancer last month.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1159506/Life-prolonging-cancer-drugs-banned-cost-much.html

    Be careful what you ask for.

  246. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10..2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

    6.. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in L. A… are Spanish speaking.

    10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
    (There are 10.2 million people in L.. A. County )

    (All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

    We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue

  247. American_Way
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Dear President Obama:

    You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

    You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

    You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

    You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

    You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

    You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don’t understand it at its core.

    You scare me because you lack humility and ‘class’, always blaming others.

    You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

    You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the ‘blame America’ crowd and deliver this message abroad.

    You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

    You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

    You scare me because you prefer ‘wind mills’ to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

    You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

    You scare me because you have begun to use ‘extortion’ tactics against certain banks and corporations.

    You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

    You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

    You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

    You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

    You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O’Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

    You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

    Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

    Lou Pritchett

    Note: Lou Pritchett is a former vice president of Procter & Gamble whose career at that company spanned 36 years before his retirement in 1989, and he is the author of the 1995 business book, Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat.

  248. BlueJay
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    It is of little concern when narrow minded people are scared.

  249. BlueJay
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    “You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.”

    We have pandered to THOSE folks too much for too long.

    President Obama worked at helping a community work together for the betterment of all. People who run companies only care about using other people to make them money.

  250. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    There’s nothing unusual about Republican right wing gun nut bible clinging scaredy cats.

    Fear is the mind killer.

    Republicans have had dead minds for a very long time now.

  251. satatom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    “Lou Pritchett is a former vice president of Procter & Gamble whose career at that company spanned 36 years before his retirement in 1989″

    The same guy that was a practicing satanist?

    I’ll bet Christian Obama scares the he[[ out of him!

  252. Phantom
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    there’s much pressure on pilots to stay on time. Along with not consume unnecessary jet fuel.

  253. WSClark
    Posted June 10, 2009 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Lou Pritchett probably pooped his Depends when a black man was duly elected President of the United States.

    He probably thinks that Michelle has a big butt – typical white, er, (semi) guy.

  254. Posted June 11, 2009 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Johnson, FYI, I do not support warrantless wiretaps, just as I posted before… When you gonna stop LYING?? A-hoe