Gov. Mark Parkinson joined calls for less vitriolic rhetoric in the abortion debate. “People that are pro-life are not terrorists, and people who are pro-choice are not baby killers,” Parkinson said. “They are people that have a different view on a very controversial issue.” He said that the inflammatory rhetoric “is not helpful.”
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Those who live by the sword
Posted by ZenTiger in Abortion, ZenTiger
George Tiller is dead. Murdered in cold blood. I’m sure George would be the first to agree that it is sad when a life is forcibly terminated.
Murder is never justified, except in self defence. Although it wasn’t a near term baby that wielded this gun, it was a fully grown adult, capable of making an informed decision. Unless he was insane. Surely, it is the mark of an insane person to cold bloodily murder a helpless human?
We have now a male suspect who may have killed him simply because Dr Tiller specialised in late term abortions. What’s the world coming too when the peaceful abortionist cannot practice his trade – some 60,000 terminations according to his own tally.
Dr Tiller never had a chance, gunned down attending his Church, and the only comfort his loving wife and four grown children have is that his murderer will be brought to justice.
Whilst Dr Tiller’s death marks a sad moment in the Abortion debate, I hope the pro-abortion movement do not seek to elevate Dr Tiller to iconic status, like Martin Luther King (ahem) or perhaps Che Guevara. His profession is not one that defines Human Rights, but instead only casts light on the dark idea that life only counts outside the womb. Dr Tiller’s job was to ensure that the living entered the world dead.
Leaving aside the debate on therapeutic abortions, it was the late term abortions for both depression and for babies with suspected abnormalities, performed up to a day before the due date that gained the anger of the more radical parts of the pro-life movement.
I’m bracing for the more radical pro-abortion and not so radical pro-abortion groups to conflate the actions of a single person with the pro-life movement. We shall see, I guess.
I deplore his murder, but am not surprised by it. Those that live by the sword, unfortunately tend to die by the sword.
http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2009/06/those-who-live-by-sword.html
Biography: Meet George Tiller
http://www.dr-tiller.com/biography.htm
So, what is so wrong, about Obama’s stance on abortion. His stance, which he basically explained, during his Notre Dame trip. Is Pro-Choice, but to reduce the need for the number of abortions. Ultimately, it should be a choice based on individual circumstances, not a one sided, all or nothing Law that treats everybody and their situation the same. His priority is on the abortion issue, is to reduce the need for abortion. Reducing teen pregnancies, opting out for adoption are among of the few solutions to reducing the need for abortion. I’m in agreeing that abortion should be a last resort, but it would be ignorant to outlaw it. There are some scenarios, situations, and rarities, that make abortion an option that would work out for the better of all parties. Some people who are Pro-Life might not ever understand that, unless they ended up in a situation where Abortion presented itself as one of the best options. I’m not going to argue with someones opinionated beliefs based on their religious system. I have no problem with religion, in fact I think religion is good. The only time I have an issue with religion, is based upon individual people, who look to religion to give them black and white answers based on their life. When you fail to use your brain, logic, and critical thinking skills to solve your own life’s problems, and look to religion, or the Bible for black and white, right and wrong answers, then you have failed in using Religion as a guide in your life, and you have succeeded in using religion as a crutch. When you fail to empathize with others and try to see other people’s views, or fail at trying to imagine what it’s like to be in somebody else s shoes, because you have wrongly interrupted your religion, to group people as being Saved, or condemned Sinners, then you have failed God and your religion. Because Christianity isn’t about that. It isn’t about memorizing Bible verses. It’s about modeling your life after the teachings of Jesus who died a martyr on the cross, to wash away ever bodies debts and sins. Whether it’s true or not, dosen’t really matter, the teachings of love, understanding, and compassion are very good virtues that everybody should follow. And using religion as a crutch instead of a guide, should be a pretty big sin, on of itself.
From the link in the above ‘Biography’.
What seems like a real dichotomy.
Jeanne Elizabeth (Guenther) Tiller is George’s wife. The Tillers live in an exclusive gated community. The Tillers are members of Reformation Lutheran Church where they attend regularly. They have four grown children.
In 2005, Jeanne hired a vocal coach, a photographer, and a recording studio to come to the Tiller residence and record some of her favorite songs.
Here is a link to Jeanne singing The Lords Prayer,
listen through the reading to he vocals please.
http://www.dr-tiller.com/images/JeanneTillerLordsPrayer.mp3
There is no such thing as a “pro-abortion movement.”
No one is “pro-abortion.”
Just as no one is “pro-amputation.”
But there are times when an unfortunate choice — remember that word, CONs? CHOICE — is essential.
Do you want me making your choices for you, CONs?
As soon as advocates of illegal abortion start addressing reality instead of their abortion horror porn that — when they had the White House, the Congress, and the SCOTUS in line to actually enact their rhetoric — they blithely held onto the issue and ignored their alleged policy postitions, they lost all credibility.
The Kansas Legislature had, and still has, a substantial majority to deal with “baby-murderers” the same way we deal with all murderers. The Republic Party had the heavy hand of the federal government to make advocates of illegal abortion campaign (and fund-raising) rhetoric into black-letter law.
Why didn’t they do that when they had the chance?
It seems the pro-”life” movement prefers guns and bombs targeting post-born babies.
Ya know, it was duh Libs that started all this inflammatory crep. Everyone and I mean everyone had expressed their sorrow, regret, condolences about Tiller’s unlawful murder.
Then…all duh Leftist Libs starting boiling in, attacking anyone on the right with the ‘blood on your hands’ mantra.
If anyone is too blame is duh leftist libs. The proof is posted – it’s the truth.
Brain-damaged “Regular” asserts –
“If anyone is too blame is duh leftist libs”
Are you sure you aren’t “RedWhiteNBlue,” who proclaimed yesterday Doctor Tiller’s death was a “contract suicide?”
Yeah.
It’s always the “Leftist Libs” fault, isn’t it “Regular?”
Ye who are without sin have no compunctions against tossing stones.
It’s the “Leftist Libs” who stuck your noses into the s#it that is your partisan rhetoric and this most recent example of reactionary violence.
It’s all the fault of the “Leftist Libs.”
Thanks for clearing that up.
Go forth and sin no more, “Regular.”
You obviously think you’re God’s gift to humanity. We mere mortals should bow down to your moral and intellectual superiority.
The titular head of the Repubic Party often brags he broadcasts “…with half my brain tied behind my back.” I guess that’s what it takes to be a CON these days; half a brain.
Your recent stroke took even more of your brain away from you, “Regular.”
No wonder you’re a leading CON voice on WE Blog.
Classic example by the blog’s primate posted above.
– personal attack
– denial of what it was, a murder by an individual
– false assignment of blame
Classic leftist liberal mantra – no one is buying it.
Regular
Posted June 3, 2009 at 7:40 am | Permalink
Ya know, it was duh Libs that started all this inflammatory crep.
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It’s not that difficult to manipulate them into making that response – showing for all their true colors.
They don’t even know they are being played.
(Dum bed down by publik education, how could they know?)
Regular
Posted June 3, 2009 at 7:58 am | Permalink
Classic example by the blog’s primate posted above.
- personal attack
- denial of what it was, a murder by an individual
- false assignment of blame
Classic leftist liberal mantra – no one is buying it.
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Of course nobody is buying it, but it is funny to watch them, like primates at the zoo.
Okay, “Regular” –
Let’s look at your pathetic defense –
“- personal attack”
About your brain damage?
So you didn’t really suffer a stroke on November 4, 2008?
“- denial of what it was, a murder by an individual”
An “individual” deeply entrenched in the illegal abortion advocates’ network?
You’re one of the CONs who’ve alleged individuals who’ve been accused of crimes represent the entire ACORN organization. You side with CONs who expand an individual union member’s crime reflects on the entire labor movement.
Scott Roeder made sure he had the phone number of a felon clinic-bomber close at hand, on a Post-It note attached to the dashboard of his car.
The state case against Roeder is simply the beginning. There’s a huge RICO case coming against those who supported and sustained his crimes. You know it.
“- false assignment of blame”
Like, f’rinstance, “Ya know, it was duh Libs that started all this…”?
I see Maggotpunk made the paper this morning.
(I’m still laughing at the Prom Queen reference)
Monkeyhawk Posted June 3, 2009 at 8:18 am
(insert irrelevant primate spew here)
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Arm flailing 101 – brought to by the blog’s primate, MonkeyHawk.
(chortles)
Big surprise. Another Out Daily Tiller thread.
McClatchy advertising revenue is flourishing.
Our Daily Tiller Thread
“Of course nobody is buying it, but it is funny to watch them, like primates at the zoo.”
That’s funny. I always enjoy the monkey house at the zoo best.
Monkeyhawk – wanna banana?
As soon as advocates of illegal abortion start addressing reality instead of their abortion horror porn that — when they had the White House, the Congress, and the SCOTUS in line to actually enact their rhetoric — they blithely held onto the issue and ignored their alleged policy postitions, they lost all credibility.
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There are a number of pro-lifers beyond the lunatic fringe that desire a blanket outlawing of any abortion procedure.
It’s misguided.
1) Never ever gonna happen. At best it becomes a states right issue handed down from the SC.
2) Outlawing it anywhere is not going to lead to one less being performed likely.
Education and support services for the choice of life (read that as adoption) need to be the focus of the pro-life movement.
But here in about three years we’ll be asking you the same question MP on the marriage debate.
“There’s a huge RICO case coming against those who supported and sustained his crimes. ”
Uh-huhhhhh. That’s right Monkeyhawk. I heard they have called Pope Benedict XVI to answer questions.
Monkeyhawk, you may want to switch to Reynolds Wrap Heavy Duty aluminum foil. I think some of those signals are still getting through.
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ANTI
Posted June 3, 2009 at 8:20 am | Permalink
I see Maggotpunk made the paper this morning.
(I’m still laughing at the Prom Queen reference)
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You know what’s funny, is that Doug Itner (MaggotPunk) and I share common ancestry. We’re not blood related, but our g-g grandparents or g-grandparents knew each other, because they had married one a common ancestor to us both. My Dad knew and associated with an Ernest Itner back when he was a young lad, back in the day before the middle of the 20th century and WWII. :D
“Inflammatory rhetoric isn’t helpful, Parkinson said”
So let’s just have another thread to keep it up!
I guess Obama doesn’t know how to keep America safe. Tiller, the titular hear of the pro-abortion movement (if it is alive inside you, I’ll kill it) and the soldier at the recruiting station in Ark.
Now he releases classified locations of nuclear facilities. Do you feel safer now that Obama is in charge? Bet those Humvee employees are loving life.
One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America
Where is weenie Todd Tiahrt in condemning this murder. Has he even said one word about it? He is a one issue rep anyway. I am sure he is happy about this event.
Obama condemned the murder of Tiller (if it is alive inside you, I’ll kill it), but what has he said about a Muslim extremist murdering a US Soldier on US soil?
“U.S. releases secret nuclear list accidentally
Report gives details about hundreds of the nation’s nuclear sites, programs”
Government Printing Office error – not Obama.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31073594/
WSClark
Posted June 3, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink
“U.S. releases secret nuclear list accidentally
Report gives details about hundreds of the nation’s nuclear sites, programs”
Government Printing Office error – not Obama.
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It’s on O’Bama’s watch.
O’Bama’s fault.
WSClark
Posted June 3, 2009 at 10:20 am | Permalink
“U.S. releases secret nuclear list accidentally
Report gives details about hundreds of the nation’s nuclear sites, programs”
Government Printing Office error – not Obama.
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Mistakes get made by a bunch of 20-somethings hopped up on M&M’s and fast food.
An accompanying letter from President Obama dated May 5 said the United States “regards this information as ’sensitive but unclassified.’” The document was sent to the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
Government Printing Office error – not Obama.
____________________________________
Katrina/FEMA error- not Bush
Inflammatory rhetoric isn’t helpful, Parkinson said
Wow. That’s some deep thinkin’, there.
And in other news, the sun has risen in the east.
“It’s on O’Bama’s watch. O’Bama’s fault.”
Barack Obama is CIC – is this his fault?
“Marine recruiter charged with pimping girl, 14
Calif. police investigating whether he used teen to entice potential recruits”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31078671/
WSClark
Posted June 3, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink
“It’s on O’Bama’s watch. O’Bama’s fault.”
Barack Obama is CIC – is this his fault?
“Marine recruiter charged with pimping girl, 14
Calif. police investigating whether he used teen to entice potential recruits”
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Yep, same as GITMO, remember?
O’Bama’s watch. O’Bama’s fault.
Was bush responsible for Katrina/FEMA?
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Regular
Posted June 3, 2009 at 11:09 am | Permalink
WSClark
Posted June 3, 2009 at 11:07 am | Permalink
“It’s on O’Bama’s watch. O’Bama’s fault.”
Barack Obama is CIC – is this his fault?
“Marine recruiter charged with pimping girl, 14
Calif. police investigating whether he used teen to entice potential recruits”
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Yep, same as GITMO, remember?
O’Bama’s watch. O’Bama’s fault.
actually meant to put Abu Grav
“Was bush responsible for Katrina/FEMA?”
Bush admitted that he reacted/acted too slowly regarding Katrina. Further, he appointed Brown to head FEMA, a man with virtually no qualifications for an agency that size.
Obama did not appoint the civil servant that screwed up and posted the information on the government website.
Bush admitted that he reacted/acted too slowly regarding Katrina.
___________________________________________
If only the Katrina “victims” had had a mode of transportation that moves many people at one time.
Colored yellow.
Obama did not appoint the civil servant that screwed up and posted the information on the government website.
But Obama did attach the letter.
“actually meant to put Abu Grav”
The Abu Gharib (sp) was the fault of Donald Rumsfeld, SOD, a Bush appointee.
“But Obama did attach the letter.”
“President Obama sent the document to Congress on May 5 for Congressional review and possible revision, and the Government Printing Office subsequently posted the draft declaration on its web site.”
“In his letter of transmittal to Congress, Mr. Obama characterized the information as “sensitive but unclassified” and said all the information that the United States gathered to comply with the advanced protocol “shall be exempt from disclosure” under the Freedom of Information Act.”
Was the information previously classified?
Obviously not.
Who care what power plant Parkinson says?
““People that are pro-life are not terrorists,’
Uh huh. That’s why they protest a legal business and murder people.
Document that gives detailed information about civilian nuclear sites and programs, marked “highly confidential,” was accidentally made public by the federal government.
“Highly confidential” is a classification.
“““People that are pro-life are not terrorists,’
Uh huh. That’s why they protest a legal business”
So, protesting is terorism?
So, protesting is terorism?
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BlueJay burned the US flag.
BlueJay is a terrorist.
BLueJay cheers terrorists on.
“J R
Posted March 25, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
“littlejohn” if the scary terrorists come to kill you or “SWP” or “SSITL” I will freaking applaud.
BLueJay is a terrorist
““Highly confidential” is a classification.”
But it is not classified information, since it is for Congressional review. Not all members of Congress have access to classified materials.
A techie at the GPO screwed up – end of story.
BLueJay cheers terrorists on.
“J R
Posted March 25, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
“littlejohn” if the scary terrorists come to kill you or “SWP” or “SSITL” I will freaking applaud.
sorry,
Tried to delete the
“blueJay is a terrorst part of my post. It was inappropriate, and wrong to post such a claim.
“littlejohn
Posted June 3, 2009 at 11:51 am | Permalink
“““People that are pro-life are not terrorists,’
Uh huh. That’s why they protest a legal business”
So, protesting is terorism?”
crickets chirping
Intimidating women into fording a dry stream bed and climbing an iron fence in order to obtain a legal medical procedure is terrorism.
“Intimidating women into fording a dry stream bed and climbing an iron fence in order to obtain a legal medical procedure is terrorism.”
Please tell us at what facility this was required, and how many women were forced to go thru such a procedure.
By the way, as I have stated here before, I did not approve of the protests at George Tillers clinic. THey really accomplished nothing, and just made many of those who protested the loudest look bad
I’ll concede the point WS.
How about Obama condemning the attack at the Ark recruiting center? He condemned the Tiller (if it’s alive inside you, I’ll kill it) murder in about two hours.
Obama holds abortion above our military and Muslims attacks inside our borders?
Tiller (if it’s alive inside you, I’ll kill it)
Is that supposed to be a joke, Sol? Or is that your version of non-hate speech?
Seems to me a simple statement of fact. If that offends you, or you feel the need to label it “hate speech”, then by all means. Whatever floats your boat.
Unless of course you think this is “just a lump of cells.”
“Obama holds abortion above our military and Muslims attacks inside our borders?”
No, I am sure that Barack Obama finds the murder of a military (Marine?) recruiter just as despicable as he does the murder of Dr. George Tiller, as do I.
The American citizen that killed the recruiter and wounded another should be tried, convicted and sentenced to life w/o the possibility of parole.
The media has not given a great deal of coverage to the Little Rock murder – that is too bad. As you know, I greatly respect our military service people and veterans. The attack should have received much greater coverage.
The fact that President Obama made a public statement regarding Tiller and apparently did not regarding the recruiter does not indicate that he cares more about abortion than he does about the military.
“The fact that President Obama made a public statement regarding Tiller and apparently did not regarding the recruiter does not indicate that he cares more about abortion than he does about the military”
I agree. He just knows his base…and the Murder of Dr. Tiller is far bigger news to his base than the killing of the recruiter. TIller is a hero to Obamas base. A recruiter is not so much. Political points to Obama…that’s what counts
I agree with LJ. What should be more important to Obama? The murder of (If it’s alive inside you, I’ll kill it) Tiller or a Muslim extremist that killed a US soldier on American soil?
Priorities.
Obama condemned the Tiller murder in about 2 hours. Haven’t heard a peep out of him regarding the Muslim attack on a US soldier on American soil.
“TIller is a hero to Obamas base. A recruiter is not so much. Political points to Obama…that’s what counts”
Complete and utter BS. Not even close to the truth. That is a complete insult to those of us that are pro-choice AND respect our military men and women.
That post is disgusting.
Dr. George Tiller was not a hero to me, but respected his courage in providing a service to WOMEN (another group that I respect) in the face of continued threats.
And to suggest that our president, or people like me, are not saddened by the needless death of a Marine is beyond the pale.
Christ.
And to suggest that our president, not saddened by the needless death of a Marine is beyond the pale.
didn;t say that, and you know it.
Christ
“Dr. George Tiller was not a hero to me,”
He was to many right here on this blog, and most of his political base. Whether or not he was to you pesonally doesn;t change that
Christ
“WOMEN (another group that I respect)”
Yeah, me too.
Christ
Don;t like the broad paint brush WSCLARK_
Fine. I will retract it. I suggest you do the same with all your posts about people who are prolife.
I’ll be waiting
Sol-
Dr. Tiller is dead. let it be.
From the O’Reilly-Tiller thread…
BlueJay
Posted June 3, 2009 at 1:09 am | Permalink
Police are advised to watch James McCluer.
I will be at the funeral and will keep an eye out for him and anyone else who would disrupt the funeral of a hero.
Sol(if its alive you have to keep it for the next 18 years ’cause I know what’s best for you and everyone else ’cause God speaks to me through Bill O’Reilly)DeVB
SolDVB is stoooopid!
Sup mo’tatas?
“Fine. I will retract it. I suggest you do the same with all your posts about people who are prolife.”
Show me where I have used terminology equivalent to “Tiller the Baby Killer, etc.”
As for HERO?
I don’t hero-worship any living man or woman. I have two heroes in my personal life – my maternal grandmother and grandfather – no others.
There are people that I greatly respect – Martin Luther King, Jr., Jack and Bobby Kennedy, Muhammad Ali, Rosa Parks to name a few. I respect them, but they are not heroes.
In my mind, a hero is a woman that raises three children on her own, working two jobs so that her children can receive an education. A hero is a fireman that runs into a burning building in an attempt to save lives. A hero is a military man or woman that lays down his life for his fellow service people. A hero is a teacher that works in the inner-city, trying to make a difference. A hero is a cop that risks his life to save a battered woman. A hero is someone that loses all so that life can be better for others.
I have NEVER spoke disparagingly of the military or military service people.
Labels are fine for your personal files – people – not so much.
“SolDVB is stoooopid!”
No, he is not – not in the least. You may disagree with him on many points, but Sollie is not stupid by any means.
Thank you kind Sir. And the same is to be said of you.
Does Sol have a uterus? Could we get him one so he can be a host until that potential life is viable. There should be no questions asked, no consideration of his health or his life.
Making abortions illegal won’t stop them. Women with enough money will go back to having relatively safe D & C procedures in hospitals and clinics. Those with fewer resources will have fewer safe options but some will be available. Some of these less advantaged females will bring unwanted babies into their world of few resources.
Then Sol can be happy and fulfilled that another baby lives in a world where s/he isn’t wanted and there aren’t resources necessary for being able to grow and thrive.
Is this another topic like saving blastocysts from research so they can be destroyed out back of the fertility clinic in the incinerator where no one needs to acknowledge the destruction?
Out of sight, out of mind?
Of course Parkinson is correct! Is rational discussion and working toward solutions together off the table? Why? So Sol can continue to throw around his demands of women? Or did he get that uterus and now he is going to be the host for the potential life that can’t achieve life without that host?
Dr Tiller put himself in the line of fire from the worst that America has to has to suffer in order to help others.
If their is a better definition of hero, I don’t know it.
“I have NEVER spoke disparagingly of the military or military service people”
And I have NEVER Said you did.
“Show me where I have used terminology equivalent to “Tiller the Baby Killer, etc.””
I never said you did.
I said that Tiller was a Hero to Obamas base. Still true, whether or not it applies to you, it applies to the his base in general. I could go thru the blog here, but why waste the time? Yo know it, and I know it. I also know that a recruiter is not a hero to Obamas base. Didn;t take it any further. ANd you know that as well.
All I did is state my beleif why Obama came right out within a couple of hours to comment on the tragedy of Dr. Tiller’s murder. And to my knowledge, why he hasn;t spoken so much about the recruiters murder.
And, because you are a smart guy….You know what I said as well.
And to my knowledge, why he hasn;t spoken so much about the recruiters murder.
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Well that’s because he’s on an apology tour and has plenty of Islamic asses to kiss.
And after the Apology Tour, Obama will be busting out the Cognac and will be booked up with parties at the WH. He really can’t be bothered with such things.
“Thank you kind Sir”
Hell, Sollie, I only said that ‘cuz I am hoping you’ll take me out on your boat the next time I am in your home state!
I NEED some M fishin’ – we ain’t got no water here in KS.
Ha!
“I never said you did.”
Then……………….. which of my posts re: pro-lifers do you want me to retract?
we ain’t got no water here in KS.
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Sure we do Clark, you just have to chase the mosquitoes away to see it!
Linda,
What is the difference between killing a baby 8 months in the uterus vs. 8 months out of the uterus?
Defend the defenseless. Was it that baby’s choice to be conceived? Was it that baby’s choice to be ripped apart or have its neck pierced by scissors and its spine severed?
My demands of women? You people always try to misdirect. You never want to acknowledge that there is a life inside the mother. You want to make this about controlling a woman. How about protecting the defenseless?
But do prattle on. Being a woman gives you the right to kill. How utopian of you.
Land of 1,00 lakes. Anytime you make it up here, we’ll get some lines wet WS.
Land of 1,00 lakes.”
Don’t your mosquitoes have landing lights?
“Don’t your mosquitoes have landing lights?”
Skeeters up North have landing GEAR – they show up on RADAR – Hell, there have been bodies found up there, completely sucked dry of blood – the Red Cross is jealous.
Skeeters up North have landing GEAR – they show up on RADAR – Hell, there have been bodies found up there, completely sucked dry of blood – the Red Cross is jealous.
You ain’t lying there WS. Tried to keep one as a pet once. Damn thing ate through the chain.
They’re too big to put on a hook for bait, it justs POs them and then they scare the hell out of the fish!
Hit them with a 10 ga. first, it takes the fight out of them.
“And to suggest that our president, or people like me, are not saddened by the needless death of a Marine is beyond the pale.”
WSClark did I miss some news? Did a Marine die that made the news?
I try to keep up on my band of brothers. Didn’t catch this one in the news.
Land of 1,00 lakes. Anytime you make it up here, we’ll get some lines wet .
10,000 lakes?
“we ain’t got no water here in KS.”
Lake Perry: Crappie early spring in shallow water (and I mean shallow) beyond the Yacht Club. Big Mouth Bass, north of 92 early spring. Along the rock cliff south of Old Town boat dock later in spring and summer (nice shade in summer). Channel Cat all along Slough Creek pennisula, casting in with nightcrawlers close to shore. (This is also a great spot for tight line catfishing from shore late at night). Also they spawn along the weedbeds surrounding the inflowing creek in the Old Military Trail area.
Clinton Lake: Early spring launch Clinton State Park camp grounds on north shore. From launch, go south and slightly west to the stand of dead trees still there. Tie right up to the trees and drop a crappie
stick down to 12-15’ of water w/minnows. You will tear them up. And this is a WINDY lake so tieing
up is a good idea. I like a casting bobber or a slip bobber. Don’t need one, if you just feel your line.
But I’m lazy and greedy. I can’t balance my beer can and the two poles. Ice out is WALLEYE time!
Drift fish toward or from the dam (east or west drift depending upon the wind). Use a worm harness with spinners (I like chartuese but red is good too), slip sinker (size depending upon wind) and a small
split shot to hold the slip distance. I use a snap swivel for the spinner set up to quickly switch or replace
from the numerous snags (and yes you are deep and they are there). Channel Cat in Deer Creek
and north of the wildlife refuge by Elk Creek. Follow old river bed. I don’t like Clinton because of the wind and my small boat – BUT all the fishing spots I go to are RESTRICTED from those noisy darn
skidoos. Haven’t fished for cat in this lake.
Hillsdale Lake: Best Crappie Fishing in eastern Kansas. No point in pointing out a spot. You have to stand behind trees to bait a hook, of the fish will get it. Bass fishing is good all season. My problem here again is the wind. When it blows from the NW (which seems like always after a weather change), the lake runs NW to SW. I call it small boat craft advisory. South winds too, if fishing the
Cedar Niles side.
LaCygne Lake. Year round crappie thanks to the power plant warm waters.
Tuttle Creek. Close to the Fort. Big damn lake. Also long and windblown. I stay up north for all my kinds of fishing; crappie, bluegill, cats, and big mouth. Anywhere south of Fancy Creek. Don’t miss the bridge supports under 16.
That said, if SolDevVB is north above the treeline in Minnesota that would be my pick. Walleye and northern. And I don’t like redeye.
WS,
I’m told one of those skeeters landed on the runway in Duluth and they had 500 gallons of gas in it before they realized what it was.
Operation Outcry is airing a weekly TV show “Faces of Abortion” on the Sky Angel Satellite Television Network, telling the stories of mothers who have committed an abortion and who are also committed to overturning the two 1973 Supreme Court cases, based entirely on lies presented to the court, that brought legalized abortion-on-demand to America, by striking down the state laws enacted by elected state lawmakers to restrict abortions, in pursuit of the state’s vital interest in preserving and defending human life. The shows relate the stories of the mothers, their other children, their families and friends, and the long-lasting and harmful effects that abortion has cost them: grief, fear, shame, physical and emotional problems, broken relationships and marriages, and destructive and addictive behaviors.
Operation Outcry is also collecting declarations from mothers harmed by abortion, for eventual presentation to the U.S. Supreme Court, proving that the abortion industry exploits and abuses women, and does them far more harm than good by profitably mangling, dismembering, poisoning, and beheading their babies.
There are by far, far more women who have had abortions who do not feel guilt, but rather relief and have been allowed to live full and productive lives DUE to the fact that they had an abortion. Just because you guilted those women into believing the only way they can gain salvation is to fight against abortion, doesn’t mean it is in their best interest nor is it in the best interest of women to make abortion illegal.
You will continue to lose Parkay, because we are on the side of what is right.
The Kansas National Organization for Women is taking the lead in the fight for reproductive freedom by hosting a forum with Gloria Allred on Friday night, titled “Speak Out, A Community Discussion on Choice”
The event will be held on June 5, 2009 at the First Unitarian Universalist Church, located at
7202 E 21st in Wichita, Kansas at 7:00 PM. The public is invited to come, take a stand and
speak to the recent tragic events that have impacted so many. We will also discuss the
future of choice in our state.
A $20.00 donation at the door is suggested, but not required.
reproductive freedom:
Isn’t that an oxymoron when discussing abortion?
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Only when morons against it try discussing reproductive freedom.
Reproductive Freedom does not give you the right to destroy the life you create.
Reproductive Freedom gives you the right to use any and all of the below:
Rubber
Birth Control Pills
Abstinence
Withdrawal
Once that life is created by two, you have no right to kill the baby.
“Once that life is created by two, you have no right to kill the baby.”
An egg is not a chicken.
A pregnancy is not a baby. The law has and will continue to reflect this. The lack of sex life of some anti choice people notwithstanding.
Say BJ, you hear a knock on your door yet?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/oreilly-taking-heat-for-tiller-rhetoric/#comment-589498
BJ is threatening to out someone.
I hear knocking!
Who’s there?
“I hear knocking!
Who’s there?”
Probably your sister to change the sheets and wipe your chin.
BJ, you hiding now?
Erdya go?
“The lack of sex life of some anti choice people notwithstanding.”
Bluejay is it better for them to have casual sex with hookers because you don’t want a woman to know where you live? (your words not mine)
And BTW, how did those TWO women come to you for help with their pregnancies – if they didn’t know where you lived?
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“Bluejay is it better for them to have casual sex with hookers because you don’t want a woman to know where you live? (your words not mine)”
I write better than that.
Most 8 year olds do too.
American_Way
Posted June 3, 2009 at 9:10 pm | Permalink
“The lack of sex life of some anti choice people notwithstanding.”
Bluejay is it better for them to have casual sex with hookers because you don’t want a woman to know where you live? (your words not mine)
And BTW, how did those TWO women come to you for help with their pregnancies – if they didn’t know where you lived?
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1. He doesn’t bring them back to his house because his kid couldn’t believe what a woofer Dad brought home, and the woofer wouldn’t bed him down once she saw what a pigsty he lived in.
2. He lurked outside the clinic.
BJ, you see Hank or Nathan today?
Just wondering.
Inflammatory rhetoric isn’t helpful, Parkinson said
Anyone want to bet the WEBLOG doesn’t have another TILLER post tomorrow to sustain the rhetoric?
It’s good for advertising revenue.
Any bets?
American_Way
Posted June 3, 2009 at 9:33 pm | Permalink
Inflammatory rhetoric isn’t helpful, Parkinson said
Anyone want to bet the WEBLOG doesn’t have another TILLER post tomorrow to sustain the rhetoric?
It’s good for advertising revenue.
Any bets?
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Wouldn’t the WE Blog be continuing and even encouraging more inflammatory rhetoric by posting yet another Tiller Topic Tomorrow?
To avoid any responsibility BJ hides his identity from his ‘casual sexual dates’….he puts on a glove.
On this date, Jun 3rd, record setting temperatures for He11
High: 10,017 Quadrillion °F (2009 AD)
Low: 9,9998 Quadrillion °F (1874 BC)
(He11ashish Warming or There’s Extra Brimstone Thrown on the fire this week.)
To Parkinson I would ask…when was the last time a pro-choice person assassinated an anti?
How many pro-choice people have been killed by antis?
Some of them are terrorists- it is up to them to keep their people in check. Operation Rescue scum encourage this and promote it.
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Boxlock20
Posted June 3, 2009 at 10:05 pm | Permalink
To avoid any responsibility BJ hides his identity from his ‘casual sexual dates’….he puts on a glove.
I have no idea what this has to do with the topic. Maybe it is inflammatory rhetoric? I guess. I don’t get you people.
Oh, yeah –
And there’s this thing about the moderation-bot –
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 4, 2009 at 5:24 am | Permalink
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Mornin’, “mopar” –
The CONs of WE Blog are an odd flock of ducks.
They have nothing but personal name-calling and insults on their side and wallow in m@sturb@tory rhetorical boilerplate.
Oh, yeah. And lies.
A CON called “Raptor” pretty much summed up what WE Blog is to the CONS –
“…exaggeration to make a point is not a lie….”
And truth is lies.
Delusion is reality.
Name-calling is debate.
Ketchup is a vegetable.
Saddam had WMDs.
Life begins a the twinkle of the parents’ eyes.
Shrub was brilliant in WE Blog CON world and President Obama is considered an elitist, Ivy League educated dunce.
The sky is green and grass is blue apparently. I don’t know that for sure, but as “Raptor” explained in his personal CON manifesto:
“…I can speculate all I want.”
When the CONs kick in on WE Blog, you kinda understand why Tijuana sustains a viable donkey-show industry; there’s always an audience for the utterly disgusting.
WE Blog CONs provide that in this forum.
Enjoy the show.
To avoid any responsibility BJ hides his identity from his ‘casual sexual dates’….he puts on a glove.
“I have no idea what this has to do with the topic. Maybe it is inflammatory rhetoric? I guess. I don’t get you people.”—mopar
mopar,
BlueJay on another thread mentioned he did not want any of his sexual dates to know where he lived or much about him….as anyone can see why, but none the less, that was brought over to this thread and that is why I made the comment.
Any one not being open and honest in a sexual relationship is simply mast/ur/bating with another person.
BlueJay sings….
I’m just a gigolo….
If you ask me, certain posters of a certain political persuasion seem waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too interested in Bluejay’s sex life.
What’s up with that?
“Daniel” –
This might explain things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc
That’s pretty funny…..I’d never seen that one before.
I’m just a gigolo…
No BlueJay, you are an moral reprobate.
That’s ‘a moral reprobate’ or ‘an immoral reprobate’, take your pick.
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