“Today, as in the early years of the Clinton administration but to an even greater extent, right-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the conservative media and political establishment,” columnist Paul Krugman asserts. “Now, for the most part, the likes of Fox News and the RNC haven’t directly incited violence, despite Bill O’Reilly’s declarations that ‘some’ called Dr. Tiller ‘Tiller the Baby Killer,’ that he had ‘blood on his hands,’ and that he was a ‘guy operating a death mill.’ But they have gone out of their way to provide a platform for conspiracy theories and apocalyptic rhetoric, just as they did the last time a Democrat held the White House. And at this point, whatever dividing line there was between mainstream conservatism and the black-helicopter crowd seems to have been virtually erased.”
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The Ice Age Cometh
By MIKE MURPHY
Monday, Jun. 22, 2009
Despairing Republican friends have been asking me what I think we should do to rebuild the GOP and begin our certain and inevitable comeback. My answer disappoints them: “Build an ark.”
I say this because I’ve made a career out of counting votes, and the numbers tell a clear story; the demographics of America are changing in a way that is deadly for the Republican Party as it exists today. A GOP ice age is on the way.
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Latinos need to see a quick end to the Republican congressional jihad on immigration. That shouldn’t be a hard lesson for the GOP to learn; every 2008 presidential-primary candidate who went for the cheap applause of the anti-immigration right couldn’t win even the Iowa caucus, let alone the nomination. Instead, the GOP should support practical immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship. Republicans should differentiate themselves from the left by heating up the lukewarm American melting pot with a firm insistence on learning English and a rejection of the silly excesses of identity politics. A smart GOP would be deeply in the microloan and free-English-lessons business in immigrant communities. Illegal immigrants can’t vote. Their children will.
Much of this is still heresy to the party as it stands now. Many will support an alternative strategy: stand pat, fight it out on fiscal issues on which the GOP has strong support and exploit liberal-Democrat excess. In the short term, that could work, but eventually the demographics will win out. Saving the GOP is not about diluting conservatism but about modernizing it to reflect the country it inhabits instead of an America that no longer exists.
Murphy is a GOP political consultant and writer.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1904136,00.html
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And yes, Rush Limbaugh and others in the right wing media are being EXTREMELY irresponsible.
Their irresponsibility will act to harden the trends identified by the GOP consultant in the link above, too.
Oh hell, another Tiller thread.
Modern media eagerly feeds all sorts of extremism and divisiveness. Web site hits and ratings. Talk radio, internet blogs, liberal and cable and network news programs, all magnify rather than gloss over differences. Any wacked out idea you have, you can find plenty of support for it.
So despite the fact that the sponsors of this blog are liberals who don’t apparently recognize left wing extremism, the fact is that extremism all over the spectrum is a fact of modern life that we are going to have to deal with. The middle ground is being vacated as more folks gather on the fringes. In my view, there is not much you can do about it and still remain free. A brave new world we’ve made with technology.
“Are conservative media feeding right-wing extremism?”
No more so than liberal media is feeding left-wing extremism…
For example, another Tiller Killer thread.
Bool Sheet,
Yeha! Rednecks unite!
GITSUM! (credit to Heckler for linking to the underground anthem)
Nothing more pathetic than a putty-willow Democrep, that plays combat video games, then deplores the origins of the ideas of his fantasies.
Tiller lived in a ocean of human blood, justifying every scrape and ripping of human flesh from innocent wombs by giving the green light of infanticide lining his pockets with millions of dollars from poor and desperate people.
Blind rhetoric being emitted from the Democratic Party strongholds of urban landscapes, like Chicago, L.A., NYC and D.C. as gang violence and slum lords dominate the crowded landscape enslaving minorities in a new plantation politics.
The ONE, O’Bama, is setting control of the independence of this nation by appointing Tsars, the new slave masters, for wealth, health and basic commodities. That giant sucking sound is your individual liberty being surgically vacuumed out of the very fabric of American society on which this nation was founded.
The leftist libs want to feed the masses, green recycled clone meat of compliance without question of authority. This insidious “Change,” slow and methodical will strip away the will of individuality and liberties earned by those who died and sacrificed for your freedoms.
Rednecks unite! It’s time to meet up and discuss in our cherished sanctuaries of common. Bible in hand, we shall march without fear and with all due purpose to take back what is ours. Through back road and highway, by boat and ship, through truck and SUV, we shall begin to take back what is ours.
(Redneck parody/off)
Ya know, about 90 percent of duh Libs will believe all of this is true and commonplace. It’s quite funny that the gullible libs believe that what they don’t understand they condemn.
Want to see my assault rifle tattoo? heh
Well, I see that Phillip has gone to another left wing ideolog for the Monday thread. Paul Krugman.
Mr. Krugman is famous as an econonmist that has been spewing his nonsense from an office at the NYT for over 10 years now.
10 years that have seen the NYT and its subsidary, the Boston Globe sink to become two of the largest financial failures of the new century.
Almost everything Krugman has ever written on economics has been wrong, left wing nonsense. Now he is little more than a joke of a columnist at a bigger joke of a paper.
If he’s such a smart economist maybe he’ll be able to predict when the NYT finally has to file bankruptcy
The Rush “f*latulance in broadcasting” Limbaughs, the Bill “it ain’t my fault” O’Reillys, the Ann “the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat” Coulters, and the rest of their ilk, are doing the Republican Party a serious disservice. The Republican party seems to be a party that wants to eliminate Jews, gays, Mexican Americans, Muslims, moderates and anybody else who disagree with their narrow field of vision from party membership.
That pretty much leaves old white folk, and seeing as their becoming a minority in many parts of the country, the Republicans resources are limited. D*e*a*t*h throws anyone?
Want to see my assault rifle tattoo? heh
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You have an assault rifle tatoo? Me too!
“the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat”
I could bone dig these very blogs and find similiar comments by libs regarding republicans.
Save me from thy holier than thou party dreams.
The liberals only want you to have freedom of speech if it concurs with their socialist views
And this is too funny Walker. In the same breath.
““the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat”
Republicans resources are limited. “D*e*a*t*h throws anyone?”
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American_Way
Posted June 15, 2009 at 7:12 am | Permalink
“the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat”
I could bone dig these very blogs and find similiar comments by libs regarding republicans.
Save me from thy holier than thou party dreams.
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Bone dig all you want. It still doesn’t detract from the fact the Republican party has narrowed its focus so much, they’re driving out what moderate base they had left. And nothing holier than thou about it: I used to be a Republican until Bush drove me out with his my way or the highway approach to government.
An excellent article that says it all and in much better words than I can write:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-14/attack-of-the-zombie-republicans/?cid=hp:mainpromo7
GITSUM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAqA2sJM-qg
HLP: Krugman has a Doctorate in and a Nobel prize for, economics is the widest read of all economists. Knowing how to run a newspaper is probably not beyond him just not his trade but he thinks and writes very well.
I didn’t disagree with the exclusive nature of the republican party and I agree it is stuck in “gear” and refuses to relent on positions which are not going to get people elected.
My comments were on the extremism.
You may not agree with the republicans, but we are all Americans. It is o.k. to attack their positions on the items, but I disagree with this blank labeling going on by the libs to make everyone who is NOT democrat: evil, stupid, extreme, or even a terrorist.
Good link, “JMWalker” –
The Repubic Party is rapidly becoming a bunch of angry old white men. No GOP candidate who even hints at a moderate view is quickly assailed as a RINO. That’s not me talking, it’s that traditional conservative talk show host who wrote the piece you linked to.
Krugman is a self-described liberal. Krugman has explained that he views the term “liberal” in the American context to mean “more or less what social democratic means in Europe”.[39] He was an ardent critic of the George W. Bush administration and its foreign and domestic policy.
Krugman declared himself an ardent supporter of the welfare state.
Wiki
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American_Way
Posted June 15, 2009 at 7:48 am | Permalink
I didn’t disagree with the exclusive nature of the republican party and I agree it is stuck in “gear” and refuses to relent on positions which are not going to get people elected.
My comments were on the extremism.
You may not agree with the republicans, but we are all Americans. It is o.k. to attack their positions on the items, but I disagree with this blank labeling going on by the libs to make everyone who is NOT democrat: evil, stupid, extreme, or even a terrorist.
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That’s just it, amway: I don’t think anybody who disagrees with the Liberal position is evil, stupid, extreme, or even a terrorist. I will listen to reason, but the current list of so-called republican leaders have shown nothing but contempt for anyone disagreeing with them. Reason, to them, is agreeing they are surrounded by pagans (Newt Gingrich’s recent speech), personal attacks on people (Sotomayer being a racist and member of a KKK type organization), Powell not a republican, etc..
Until, and if, the Republicans can climb out from under the completely negative mode they now inhabit, their prospects of becoming a force again are pretty much nil. They need moderates, young people and minorities, and they’re driving them out. Go out and read Rush, Hannity, O’Rielly and Coulter. Find something positive in ant of their writings. It just ain’t there.
This is not just another “Tiller thread” – it is a recurring theme the WE editors have served – “are right wing hate media sources responsible for extremism?”
The answer from right wing mental giants here?
“Well, the left does it too!” – As Nathan would say “good second grade defense” – I wonder why he is not critical of his fellow partisans when they engage in that elementary school argument? Now, that is an interesting question.
Paul Krugman is a supporter of the Welfare state which has its origins in Islam (Surprises! Barack Hussein Obama)
Welfare is theft of property or labor. Welfare provided by the state are more expensive and less efficient than the same services would be if provided by private businesses.
Noam Chomsky, (another Kommie) “social democrats and anarchists always agreed, fairly generally, on so-called ‘welfare state measures.
Welfare state inhabitants become part of the ‘Collective’ the hive -so to speak-where ndivuality is assassinated and substituted with a drone worker mentality that feeds the state with service until the death of the drone.
“are right wing hate media sources responsible for extremism?”
Funny, I didn’t see the word, responsible in the opening thread.
Nice twist. Not only are they “feeding” but now they are “responsible”…..
There are extreme’s on both sides. Always have been and always will be. (that’s what the word means). The press has played on the extremes forever. It sells newspapers and now it sells advertising on the internet. With or without the media (which you are suggesting should be censured?), the extremist will exist. They do not define who either of us are.
“Regular” channels 1993 with the canard –
“…is a self-described liberal.”
By CON standards, EVERYONE else is a “liberal.”
Even top Repubic Party officials admit they’ve spewed “LIBERAL!” so much the term is meaningless.
There might — just might — be some good reasoning behind today’s conservative approach to political challenges. Maybe.
But you CONs can’t present them. You can’t control yourselves and immediately fall into such tired old rhetorical crutches such as, “Marxist,” “SOCAILISM!!!!” ” “leftist-libs”…
(Which, I wish of you CONs would realize you’re redundantly saying the same thing over and over again repetitively; I mean, are there “rightist-libs?” hiding around somewhere? “leftist-conservatives?!”)
You sound so silly, mostly because you think your extremism is somehow, inexplicably close to most people’s opinions.
CONs should learn to tone down their expletives a bit. But they can’t help themselves.
Regardless of policy differences, every time a CON spews “Marxist” or “SOCIALISM!!!!” about this thoughtful, intelligent, engaged President, another wavering “leftist liberal” gets fitted for wings.
Monkeyhawk, you really don’t have room to lecture anyone about extremism.
You risk being called a hypocrite, hypcrite.
Ah, the left and the media are in full point the finger, cry baby mode.
Get a helmet.
“Get a helmet.”
Is there a repellent that might work? Off?
100% deet?
The Blog Primate heaves:
“Regardless of policy differences, every time a CON spews “Marxist” or “SOCIALISM!!!!” about this thoughtful, intelligent, engaged President, another wavering “leftist liberal” gets fitted for wings.”
Let’s see, as Barack Hussein Obama moves the United States towards a Welfare State, let’s examine the progress.
The Blog Primate heaves:
“Regardless of policy differences, every time a CON spews “Marxist” or “SOCIALISM!!!!” about this thoughtful, intelligent, engaged President, another wavering “leftist liberal” gets fitted for wings.”
Let’s see, as Barack Hussein Obama moves the United States towards a Welfare State, let’s examine the progress.
– Take over of financial institutions. Check!
– Take over of major corporations. Check!
– Total control of political activity(A.C.O.R.N.). Check!
– Removal of a threat (second amendment). Check!
– Vilification of Christianity and other Judeo-based faith. Check!
– Make all dependent on the state (rationed Health Care). Check!
– Control the salary and education of the people (The Salary Czar and Socially-based education Czars). Check!
– Vilification of conservative speech or movement. Check!
– Weakening of the military and transfer of power to a police state (Miranda act for terrorists and downsizing the military role). Check!
– Creation of an intellectually elite(a pseudo class). Check!
– Control of public airways and media (Fair Mascarade Act) Check!
– Deceiving the people with flowery speech without substance. Check!
– Judicial activism, eliminating the voice of the people. Check!
– Appointment of unqualified power mongers to run government (O’Bama administration). Check!
– Transfer of private funds to States and Federal government in order to control the people via deceptive regulation. Check!
This is only the beginning folks. Watch out for government intrusion on what your bowel
movement should be and how much time you can spend with your loved ones by quota.
(chortles)
– Take over of financial institutions. Check!
– Take over of major corporations. Check!
– Total control of political activity(A.C.O.R.N.). Check!
– Removal of a threat (second amendment). Check!
– Vilification of Christianity and other Judeo-based faith. Check!
– Make all dependent on the state (rationed Health Care). Check!
– Control the salary and education of the people (The Salary Czar and Socially-based education Czars). Check!
– Vilification of conservative speech or movement. Check!
– Weakening of the military and transfer of power to a police state (Miranda act for terrorists and downsizing the military role). Check!
– Creation of an intellectually elite(a pseudo class). Check!
– Control of public airways and media (
- Deceiving the people with flowery speech without substance. Check!
– Judicial activism, eliminating the voice of the people. Check!
– Appointment of unqualified power mongers to run government (O’Bama administration). Check!
– Transfer of private funds to States and Federal government in order to control the people via deceptive regulation. Check!
This is only the beginning folks. Watchout for government intrusion on what your bowel movement should be and how much time you can spend with your loved ones by quota.
(chortles)
“This is only the beginning folks. Watchout for government intrusion on what your bowel movement should be and how much time you can spend with your loved ones by quota.”
Good list Reguluar I hope you keep it handy and current. Those opposed to the new USSA need to get involved and soonest.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2009/06/could-4th-district-go-blue-again/#comment-602278
- Establish political control over the census
- Create a brown shirt organization and fund them
“Regular” warns –
“Watchout for government intrusion on what your bowel movement should be….”
Have you ordered your ComfortWipe yet?
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 15, 2009 at 9:06 am | Permalink
“Regular” warns –
“Watchout for government intrusion on what your bowel movement should be….”
Have you ordered your ComfortWipe yet?
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All sold out, primate…
Duh Libs have used up the supply wiping the spittle from their collective chins.
Personally, I hope the far right commentators continue to bang the drum. Keep it up! They are alienating droves of people every time they speak.
Just think, does Rush O’Hannity think that they are going to ATTRACT Hispanic voters with their attacks on Sonia Sotomayor? The Hispanic voting block is overwhelmingly Democratic and is the fasting growing segment of the population.
Go ahead, let your rhetoric distance Hispanics from your party. It’s your loss.
The same goes for women and other groups. How did that work out in the last two election cycles?
Eh, not so good?
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WSClark
Posted June 15, 2009 at 9:09 am | Permalink
Personally, I hope the far right commentators continue to bang the drum. Keep it up! They are alienating droves of people every time they speak.
Just think, does Rush O’Hannity think that they are going to ATTRACT Hispanic voters with their attacks on Sonia Sotomayor? The Hispanic voting block is overwhelmingly Democratic and is the fasting growing segment of the population.
Go ahead, let your rhetoric distance Hispanics from your party. It’s your loss.
The same goes for women and other groups. How did that work out in the last two election cycles?
Eh, not so good?
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We the sheeple…
baaa baaa…
“The Hispanic voting block is overwhelmingly Democratic and is the fasting growing segment of the population.”
This is true, and Bush tried to fight for them. Republicans are poor at advertising and getting their message across. Democrats take advantage of that and become the party of the “masses” and are great at negative advertising.
Just look at the civil rights movement of the sixties. Clearly prejudice existed in the high democrat ranks. But dims managed to turn themselves into holy warriors on that one too.
Republicans need to work on it.
“We the sheeple…”
Keep banging that drum, it has worked so well for you.
Look at the blogs only welfare recipient, “Regular” gonna tell us about the evils of welfare.
“and are great at negative advertising”
Keep telling yourselves that. The presidential election proved that the Republicans were quick to go negative “palling around with terrorists, etc.” while the Democrats cleaned up.
But the “Party of Personal Responsibility” never takes responsibility – it is “the sheeple’s” fault that they lost.
Just keep banging that drum…………………..
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BlueJay
Posted June 15, 2009 at 9:17 am | Permalink
Look at the blogs only welfare recipient, “Regular” gonna tell us about the evils of welfare.
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Wrong again BlueJay!
I’m a well compensated trained contract killer, brought forth by the ribbons of freedom and the banner of crusading adventurism.
You had your chance boy. You tried to defraud your Union masters and got kicked out of the club.
Now go shed some tears on your lawn mower.
(chortles)
“Are conservative media feeding right-wing extremism?”
Most definitely.
Here’s proof.
Rush Limbaugh routinely says that he has “talent on loan from god”. Ranter O’Reilly above has his motto “we’re looking out for you”. Sean Hannity boasts of being the leader of “conservatism in exile”. Kook Mark Levin starts HIS show with a bit how he is reaching out to his followers from a hidden bunker.
This is the stuff insurrections are made of. Take away the progressive gains of the last many years and you have a small group or radio warlords vying for control of the country. It’d be medieval.
Bring us back the Fairness Doctrine.
Laughs directly at James “Regular” McCluer.
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BlueJay
Posted June 15, 2009 at 9:32 am | Permalink
Laughs directly at James “Regular” McCluer.
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Shouldn’t you be out earning minimum wage cutting someone’s lawn boy?
Bring us back the UnFairness Doctrine.
And the answer from the current president is no.
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sursum
Posted June 15, 2009 at 7:45 am | Permalink
HLP: Krugman has a Doctorate in and a Nobel prize for, economics is the widest read of all economists. Knowing how to run a newspaper is probably not beyond him just not his trade but he thinks and writes very well.
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Paul Krugman is an inconsequential idiot. Nobel Prize? Really!
So, explain how Krugman has advanced society with his brilliant writings on the economy. He’s little more than a left wing second rate academic writing for a failing newspaper.
“while the Democrats cleaned up.”
Obama took 53% McClame 46%
Just keep banging that drum. ;-)
Speaking of conservative media…
Sean Hannity made a pledge to undergo waterboarding to prove that it is not torture. He was going to give any proceeds to charity.
He has not made good on his word.
Call Sean and tell him to be true to his word 1 800 941 4326
Regular
Posted June 15, 2009 at 9:33 am | Permalink
Shouldn’t you be out earning minimum wage cutting someone’s lawn boy?
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What century do you live in Reguliar? Out of touch and “touched”.
I’m not kidding you when I say that many of you liberals know more about what the conservative talk show hosts are saying – than I do.
BlueJay
Posted June 15, 2009 at 9:46 am | Permalink
Speaking of conservative media…
Sean Hannity made a pledge to undergo waterboarding to prove that it is not torture. He was going to give any proceeds to charity.
He has not made good on his word.
Call Sean and tell him to be true to his word 1 800 941 4326
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Nah, I don’t give a schitt.
Apparently you do, so you call.
“Obama took 53% McClame 46%”
Obama – electoral landslide.
Senate – 60 votes in Democrats hands.
House – 259 votes in Democrats hands.
The Democrats don’t need a drum, we have the votes.
“Regular” announces –
“I’m a well compensated trained contract killer”
Uh-huh.
A regular James Bond.
Turns out those aren’t voices in your head after all! You’ve got your own personal John Barry soundtrack running through your disease-damaged brain.
It is to chortle.
It is to guffaw.
“I’m a well compensated trained contract killer”
Perhaps I should take last night’s post from you threatening a “head shot” against me a tad more seriously.
After all, I now realize I’m dealing with a professional.
There was no landslide nor was there a mandate for change.
States/districts where the margin of victory was under 5%
1. Missouri 0.14%
2. North Carolina 0.32%
3. Indiana 1.04%
4. Nebraska’s 1.19%
5. Montana 2.25%
6. Florida 2.82%
7. Ohio 4.59%
Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological GroupPercentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90sby Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ — Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.
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It would seem that conservatives are leading the parade despite what Klugman writes. When you put the moderates and the conservatives together the liberals are a no show. Conservatism has increased since 2008. Hummmm…
The blue dog moderate democrats in congress and the senate are seeing the light and the money Obama is spending that we don’t have. Just keep banging this drum. The winds they are a changin’.
“There was no landslide nor was there a mandate for change.”
Obama won by a greater percentage than Bush ever did, and GWB and the GOP claimed a mandate and political capital.
Are you suggesting that we should be continuing the Bush agenda despite the fact that the Democrats now control the House, Senate and the presidency?
Why we will hear less from right wing hate talk:
A growing list of advertisers have stopped advertising or refuse to place their ads on right wing talk radio and television. For LIMPbaugh alone the list is long.
“Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.”
That might mean something, but the GOP kicks the moderates out of the Party – Arlen Specter, Colin Powell, etc.
The GOP belongs to Rush, D*ck and Newt these days – no moderates there.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 15, 2009 at 9:56 am | Permalink
“Regular” announces –
“I’m a well compensated trained contract killer”
Uh-huh.
A regular James Bond.
Turns out those aren’t voices in your head after all! You’ve got your own personal John Barry soundtrack running through your disease-damaged brain.
It is to chortle.
It is to guffaw.
“I’m a well compensated trained contract killer”
Perhaps I should take last night’s post from you threatening a “head shot” against me a tad more seriously.
After all, I now realize I’m dealing with a professional.
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Just furthering the label of what duh Libs call us, baby killers and killers of civilians. You, as a voter do subsidize our killing via contract. Thus, contract killers…
Someone has to protect you panty-waists that use their tongues licking microphones and the collective an@l nether regions of the O’Bama administration.
Keith Olbermann offered (challenged) Hannity a great deal of money to do the boarding. Where is Hannity? Why did he chicken out?
“When you put the moderates and the conservatives together the liberals are a no show.”
The moderates clearly voted largely Democratic in the last two election cycles.
That is the Republican dilemma – they can’t win without their base and they can’t attract moderates while appealing to their base.
It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Where is Hannity? Why did he chicken out?
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Call and ask him, BlueJay posted the number.
“okobserver” contrives –
(btw, would you prefer “o’kobserver?”)
“When you put the moderates and the conservatives together….”
Uh-huh.
And when you include Wiccans and Satan-Worshipers, you get a good number of people who consider themselves “religious.”
Haven’t you been paying attention, “okobserver?”
(I could refer to you as “oko’bserver” if you prefer.)
The Repubic Party has spent the past couple of years screaming “RINO!” and casting out all traditionally conservative moderates from their ranks.
“Senate – 60 votes in Democrats hands.
House – 259 votes in Democrats hands.”
Not disputed Clark. But six of those senate seats were victories of 5% or less. Others were contested (MN still waiting).
In the US House, 14 states and 16 seats were margins of victory of 5% or less (two states had two congressmen within that margin).
Clearly, there is no great shift in the US voting population to the blue side. Independents (whom you call moderates?) are going to be the deciding factor.
I don’t think I will convert you, nor you me. Meaning the die hards are not going to switch their votes.
I don’t think it’s “in the bag” for either party.
Monkey as usual you have nothing of substance to contribute.
WS you are wrong about Specter and Powell being moderates. They are both extremely left of center.
And as for the moderates voting democratic – well the disappointment level with Bush was high. As I said then if the dems don’t control this election they never will.
And personally I don’t care if a moderate is demo or repub as long as they vote as a moderate. That way I know Obama’s far out programs are dead on arrival and I see this happening.
Who are you guys defining as a “moderate” OKO?
Is that an independent? Because I found numbers on independents but not moderates.
And does that include cross-over voters? Or are they still counted within the blue or red?
“Are you suggesting that we should be continuing the Bush agenda despite the fact that the Democrats now control the House, Senate and the presidency?”
Not at all, but in many cases Obama is continuing the Bush agenda, but that’s besides the point.
This morning you’ve been in music class instructing republicans to keep banging their drums. I’m suggesting democrats are not locked and cocked for 2010. I don’t think you can sit back on your laurels and assume the independents, moderates, or cross-overs are painted blue with permanent ink.
“okobserver” gives us –
“…I know Obama’s far out programs are dead on arrival….”
You left out an apostrophe, there, didn’t ya “okobserver?”
Do you have “…you have nothing of substance to contribute” on a macro or something?
I don’t like the idea of beating up on senile old ladies, “okobserver,” but you sure give us all a lot of evidence you have nothing to refute me and with I would be remiss in my duty if I did not tell you that the idea of continuously handing your… withered flesh… sagging breasts… and flabby buttocks… makes me want to vomit.
okobserver
Posted June 15, 2009 at 10:31 am | Permalink
WS you are wrong about Specter and Powell being moderates. They are both extremely left of center.
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Plus, we didn’t ‘kick’ the sorry ba$tards out of the GOP.
We nominated (with the help of the left) John McCain, the absolute milktoast moderate POS that Powell told us to and then he endorsed Obama.
Arlin Spectre left of his own accord. He always was an extreme lefty and as soon as it looked like he was going to lose in the next primary he left.
“WS you are wrong about Specter and Powell being moderates. They are both extremely left of center.”
Sigh, that is exactly what the GOP says if a pol doesn’t tow the party line. Then it is RINO! and out you go.
And they are welcomed by the Democrats. Contrary to the “sheeple” label, there is room in the Democratic Party for opposing POV.
WS I guess I am a moderate because I disagree with both parties on several issues. As I talk to others I see this is the case with most of them also. The days of being strictly demo or repub are waning. Not sure what this will do to the next election but the trends are there.
Appreciate all of your help in trying to fix the republican party but your immediate attention might be better applied to your own party. Fiscal responsibiity is a conservative trait and not just a republican trait.
Obama’s push to change the structure of the US quickly has forced the moderates in both parties to wake up. That is a good thing.
“Appreciate all of your help in trying to fix the republican party but your immediate attention might be better applied to your own party”
Well, my “Party” seems to be going pretty darn good right now – but thanks for asking.
June 13, 2009
As U.S. stock markets plummeted last September, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat, Dick Durbin, sold more than $115,000 worth of stocks and mutual-fund shares and used much of the money to invest in Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc.
The Illinois senator’s 2008 financial disclosure statement shows he sold mutual-fund shares worth $42,696 on Sept. 19, the day after then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke urged congressional leaders in a closed meeting to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. The same day, he bought $43,562 worth of Berkshire Hathaway’s Class B stock, the disclosure shows.
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Tell me this influential dem didn’t use inside knowledge to fatten his wallet.
WS at this time in history when Bush’s term had just started we were ‘pretty darn good’ too. A word to the wise….. and all.
Back to the question at hand, yes as I said yesterday watching Beck I had not heard some outlandish and paranoid talk since the day of the Militias movement. Black helicopters fought by secret government organizations bent on enslaving the masses and disarming them. Calls to take back the government from the evil Socialist masters. You see the same from some on the side of being anti-global warming, it feed those feeling helpless and the world is spinning out of control.
Obama’s plan appears to be more of the same. Can you believe this editorial?
Naive, Hypocritical and Dishonest
By Robert Samuelson
WASHINGTON — It’s hard to know whether President Obama’s health care “reform” is naive, hypocritical or simply dishonest. Probably all three. The president keeps saying it’s imperative to control runaway health spending. He’s right. The trouble is that what’s being promoted as health care “reform” almost certainly won’t suppress spending and, quite probably, will do the opposite.
The one certain consequence of expanding insurance coverage is that it would raise spending. When people have insurance, they use more health services. That’s one reason why Obama’s campaign proposal was estimated to cost $1.2 trillion over a decade (the other reason is that the federal government would pick up some costs now paid by others). Indeed, the higher demand for health care might raise costs across the board, increasing both government spending and private premiums.
No doubt the health program that Congress fashions will counter this reality by including some provisions intended to cut costs (”bundled payments” to hospitals, “evidence-based guidelines,” electronic record keeping). In the past, scattershot measures have barely affected health spending. What’s needed is a fundamental remaking of the health care sector — a sweeping “restructuring”– that would overhaul fee-for-service payment and reduce the fragmentation of care.
The place to start would be costly Medicare, the nation’s largest insurance program serving 45 million elderly and disabled. Of course, this would be unpopular, because it would disrupt delivery patterns and reimbursement practices. It’s easier to pretend to be curbing health spending while expanding coverage and spending. Presidents have done that for decades, and it’s why most health industries see “reform” as a good deal.
Lot’s of talk by Obama, but doesn’t look to me like any change.
Amway good find. A good overview of what Obama is proposing.
“When people have insurance, they use more health services.”
So the solution is: No health insurance!
Great.
Sorry, wrong thread……
Sorry AMway I thought you posted this to show there is an opposing view to that of Klugman.
Who cares!!!! The left’s got flamethrowers (Huffington Puke, DailyKomrade, Olbermanties, Media Masters, Mancow, NYT, Boston Globe, Wash Post, LA Times, Newsweek, Time, Air America, etc)…the right’s got flamethrowers too, while not nearly as many. The “left” & the “right” never decide elections, the Independents do. The same 5 or 6 states decide every electoral count, because they can sway. Dems pound their chest about declared GOP members decreasing, not noticing at the same time…so are Dems. Independents are the only group growing! Why, because they’re sick of the jr high games/”logic” from BOTH sides!
If people had brains, it wouldn’t matter what was fed to em.
They could choose to eat or not eat whatever BS they were being fed.
Brownlib’s assumption then, is that YOU PEOPLE are too stupid to think on your own.
For many of you, he’s probably right.
As for healthcare reform..how about we try the free stuff, before we go “all-in” on a pipe dream:
1. Tort reform. Who cares if the dredge of society, trial lawyers, get pounded? Oh, besides Dem politicians, since 95% of trial lawyer donations go to Dems.
2. Allow patients/doctors to enter into “hold harmless” agreements in exchange for cheaper fees outside of malpractice insurance (oh, and it cuts out trial lawyers!).
3. Allow small business/self-employed to pool together to get competitive insurance rates…another brilliant stroke of legislation making this simple, American, free market practice illegal!
4. Allow doctors to offer flat fee structures (think YMCA fees), for basic healthcare that cuts insurance companies out of the loop altogether. For a slightly higher flat fee, they could pool their patients together and purchase catastrophic coverage in the re-insurance market (just like insurance companies do) to cover hospital/specialist issues.
Ah yes….
-Iran is kicking out all the journalists after a highly contested election. Still pushing forward with their nuclear programs.
-North Korea continues to threaten America with Nuclear attack, weaponize their Nuclear material, and test their weapons.
-Israel and Palestine are still arguing over terms for so-called peace in that region.
-Obama is pushing for nearly another tillion dollars in government spending for health care after already deficit spending trillions.
-Obama in the same day calling for pay-go programs says that it is ok to deficit spend for health care.
How many other major issues are going on around the world? Meanwhile, all we get here day after day is a Tiller thread or Right wing extremism thread…
Yes Nathan I have moved on to blogs that really debate the issures with no monkeys or bluejays dropping in. We don’t always agree but we have spirited debates on real issues.
“all we get here day after day is a Tiller thread or Right wing extremism thread…”
It would be refreshing to see a thread without the editors promoting one side or the other.
For instance, have I missed the one on healthcare?
For instance, have I missed the one on healthcare?
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It was right after the thread about an old over the hill, bitter, main stream comedian(?) and his innapropriate perverted jokes about a governor and her 14 year old daughter.
American_Way
Posted June 15, 2009 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
“all we get here day after day is a Tiller thread or Right wing extremism thread…”
It would be refreshing to see a thread without the editors promoting one side or the other.
For instance, have I missed the one on healthcare?
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You mean a thread AGAINST National Healthcare?
Haven’t seen that one yet. Maybe tomorrow.
Don’t hold your breath!
HLP
Posted June 15, 2009 at 12:38 pm | Permalink
For instance, have I missed the one on healthcare?
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It was right after the thread about an old over the hill, bitter, main stream comedian(?) and his innapropriate perverted jokes about a governor and her 14 year old daughter.
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Haven’t watched Lettermen in years. Stopped watching when his humor disappeared.
He dropped down to below the level of Sesame Street, which is the largest target market out there now.
Haven’t watched Lettermen in years. Stopped watching when his humor disappeared.
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I hear ya! Use to enjoy it when he’d drop water melons off a building.
Hard to believe he could mess that up!
I can certainly see why so many of you tightie righties want Dr. Tiller’s murder to just disappear- you spent decades demanding his head, and now that you finally got it, you don’t want your responsibility in his murder discussed.
Got news for you- we are going to keep hammering the issue of your blame in this murder until we see some justice! Roeder needs some cellmates and we’ll be glad to help him get some! RICO!!!
Jed,
I am not responsible for Tiller’s murder.
You are starting to sound like an angry blood thirsty idiot, Jed.
Encouraging and interesting polling. Twice as many folks consider themselves conservative rather than liberals. That means only a small percentage of moderates have to go our way to tip the scales back.
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“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s
by Lydia Saad
PRINCETON, NJ — Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
“Are conservative media feeding right-wing extremism?”
No more so than liberal media is feeding left-wing extremism…
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Count on the CONs to come up with the phony “equivalence” argument.
Look, the CONs say, “we are right, and anyone who disagrees with us is wrong.”
The LIBs say, “Value diversity.”
That’s why you don’t find gay dudes lynching CONs for being straight. That’s why you don’t find blacks dragging a white guy to death behind a pickup truck for having the unmitigated gall to be out walking around.
That’s why you don’t find “liberal skinheads” with hammers and sickles tatooed on their biceps beating up bankers.
It’s pretty hard to engage in hate crimes when you’re preaching “value diversity.”
When some gay guy plugs a right-wing preacher in the forehead in church with a .45, then talk to me about “liberal extremism.”
CapnCliche
I see CapnAmerica is out with the liberal lie of “value diversity”
Yeah right.
Liberals “value diversity” only in as much as that diversity is the kind of diversity they value.
One need look no farther than the hateful speech spewed by the likes of KFG, BlueJay, MonkeyHawk and other liberals here to see how little liberals actually “value diversity”
CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
Count on the CONs to come up with the phony “equivalence” argument.
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Naw, duh Libs teach things like:
– teaching that rump riding is okay to teach to young school age children.
– it’s okay to have friends that blew up and killed police officers and later run for President
– teach it is okay to hate all Christians and further teaching that sacrilege is a way of life.
– teach that abortion Doctor worship is perfectly normal.
– teach that appeasing terrorists and giving them Miranda rights on a battlefield is not insane.
– teach that owning and using a gun are for kooks, (sorry Senator Webb and XXX-you’re kooks according to duh Libs)
…and the list is too long to publish for now…
Outlander–
It may be a cliche to you to say “value diversity,” but when O’Reilly said “Tiller the Killer” over and over again, Roeder didn’t think it a cliche.
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Also, thanks for the link, but you left this part out:
Thus far in 2009, Gallup has found an average of 36% of Americans considering themselves Democratic, 28% Republican, and 37% independent. When independents are pressed to say which party they lean toward, 51% of Americans identify as Democrats, 39% as Republicans, and only 9% as pure independents.
That means 55 percent of Americans consider themselves Democratic or “lean Democratic.”
Heh. STBU.
Ant,
Me? Bloodthirsty? I haven’t advocated shooting people and I haven’t sided with or given money to those who do! I just want the people, all the people who were responsible for a heinous murder (in a church, no less) brought to justice. Let them hire attorneys and defend themselves- it’s more than they allowed Dr. Tiller!
Regular–
Libs don’t do any of those things, but the fact that CONs believe they do is example of your hate speech.
What do we find?
We find Black guys dragging white people out of their cars and beating them nearly to death while they are out in the streets rioting.
When was the last white riot where white people were out buring buildings, looting, and killing people?
Oh yes CapnAmerica, that is the “value diversity” you are talking about?
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CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
Regular–
Libs don’t do any of those things, but the fact that CONs believe they do is example of your hate speech.
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Facts are not hate speech.
Hate speech?
One need look little further than the hate speech from the likes of our very own militant homesexual KFG here on this blog.
We have all seen how much KFG “values diversity”
Yeah right.
Keep deluding yourself CapnAmerica.
Your only deceive yourself with your lies.
Iran is kicking out all the journalists after a highly contested election.
Really, Nathan?
Why should that bother you? Ann Coulter said that Al Qaeda should have targeted the New York Times. They were guilty of “treason” when they reported on illegal wiretapping according to you.
The CONs believe in “free speech,” but only when journalist criticize people they don’t like.
Like I said, Nathan.
When a LGBT type shoots Terry Fox dead, then we can talk about left-wing extremists.
Until then, you got nuthin’.
If hating the likes of Nathaniel, Regular, bawkslots etc is wrong?
I don’t WANT to be right.
Nathan,
“When was the last white riot where white people were out buring buildings, looting, and killing people?”
Try Rosewood, try Tulsa, try almost any town in the south in the 1940’s-60’s.
Look up the lyrics to “Strange Fruit.”
Read the newspapers, history books.
There’s a whole history of white people killing black people.
all the people who were responsible for a heinous murder (in a church, no less) brought to justice.
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So do I.
BTW, all of the witness stated their was one murderer.
Jed, this isn’t the 1940-1960’s.
Quit living 1/2 centuries in the past.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27365080/
Dragging death in Texas raises tensions
Recent death of black man in Paris echoes horrific crime a decade ago
Fri., Oct . 24, 2008
PARIS, Texas – In a gruesome case with powerful echoes of the dragging death of James Byrd a decade ago, a black man was killed underneath a pickup in East Texas and two white men have been charged with murder.
Black activists and the victim’s mother called last month’s killing of 24-year-old Brandon McClelland a racist attack, and investigators continue to look into the possibility one of the defendants was a member of a white supremacist prison gang.
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Let’s see . . . when was October of 2008 again . . . was is a quarter or a half century ago?
investigators continue to look into the possibility one of the defendants was a member of a white supremacist prison gang.
Yeah Capn, that’s really mainstream America there – White supremacists belonging to a prison gang.
Dragging death in Texas raises tensions
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What came of that case and the accused?
Being dishonest Capn’A?
It was ruled an accidental death and the accused were set free, Capn’A.
But keep pushing racial hate.
1. Tort reform.
Basically, what the CONs want is for free marketeers like personal injury lawyers and their clients to be controlled by government so they either can’t win against big corporations or the damages they win will be so small that it won’t really hurt much.
In other words, they want government to protect big corporations because the corporations are unable to compete on a level playing field.
Nice.
Lovelle Mixon killed 4 cops in Oakland last March, was that a hate crime?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/23/MNRF16L64S.DTL
Dunakin, 40, lived in Tracy and was an Oakland cop for 18 years. The father of three was a graduate of Chabot College in Hayward. He was promoted to sergeant in 1999 and worked homicide cases in the criminal investigation division.
Ant,
“So do I.
BTW, all of the witness stated their was one murderer.”
If I recall my history classes, only one person shot Lincoln too, but they hanged four others and sent more to prison for the assassination.
The Capn proved wrong again
But Boyd’s sister and prosecutors said they don’t believe race was a factor because the victim was friends with the two suspects. Investigators also said there’s no indication McClelland, 24, was tied to the truck.
Boyd said her brother and McClelland have been friends for about 10 years.
“They were like brothers,” Boyd said. “Brandon would come to all of our family functions. He was around all of our kids. He would have dinner with us. I have known Brandon longer than I have known my own husband.”
Ben Massar, Finley’s attorney, also dismissed the hate crime angle as false.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-27-164308463_x.htm
Eight episodes of right-wing extremist violence in four and a half months. We haven’t gone four weeks since February without some poor guy — always with a long history of mental illness, usually with a record of military service and/or domestic violence, and invariably jacked up on a toxic cocktail of white male privilege; us-versus-them enemy seeking; fury at women, blacks and/or Jews; and a belief that the world as he knew it was ending unless he took up arms — taking out his gun and offing innocent Americans in a suicidal bid for glory.
For the record: This is not business as usual. True: there have always been occasional events, usually dismissed by the corporate media as “isolated incidents,” the work of “lone wolf shooters” acting for reasons all their own. But you have to go back a long, long way in American history before you come to a place where you find incidents like this happening an average of once every two weeks. And the chattering classes are finally beginning to realize what those of us who’ve been faithfully watching the right wing for years were telling them a year ago: there’s nothing isolated about any of this.
This is how terrorism begins.
Read the whole piece here –
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2009/06/tragedy-at-holocaust-museum-stand-up-to.html
Charges dismissed in East Texas dragging death
or
The Capn is a liar
http://www.examiner.com/a-2052274~Charges_dismissed_in_East_Texas_dragging_death.html
DALLAS (Map, News) -
Two white men accused of killing a black man in a racially charged dragging death in East Texas were released from jail Thursday after murder charges were dismissed, the prosecutor said.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
hehehehe
left-wing extremists
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ELF is a Liberal terrorist group.
They are linked to murder and many arsons and other related property crimes.
Profile of a Left-Wing Extremist
Lovelle Mixon’s parole record
By Andrew Blankstein
March 24, 2009
In October 2007, Lovelle Mixon was released on parole after serving five years of a six-year sentence for assault with a firearm. Within months the 26-year-old Oakland resident was in trouble again, authorities said.
In February, Mixon was placed on a parole hold as a possible suspect in a homicide in Alameda County, according to Scott Kernan, undersecretary of operations for the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. Prosecutors declined to file charges in that case, saying there was not sufficient evidence, but Mixon was detained on various parole violations and sent back to prison for nine months, Kernan said.
Here is a look at Mixon’s interactions with the parole department since his Nov. 1 release from the California Correctional Center in Susanville, as reported by the department :
Nov. 3: Mixon reports to his parole agent for an initial interview and undergoes his first mandatory drug test.
Nov. 5: Mixon reports to Parole and Community Team, a state program that offers a broad range of services to parolees. The agency provides job placement, drug treatment and other services. During the visit, he met with his parole agent and again was tested for drugs.
Nov. 7: Mixon’s parole agent makes an initial residential visit, meeting with Mixon at his mother’s home in Oakland. The agent also met with relatives of Mixon to evaluate his living conditions and who he was interacting with while on parole. During the visit, Mixon is referred by the agent to America Work, an employment service.
Dec. 17: Mixon’s parole agent makes a residential visit, also meeting with one of Mixon’s cousins as part of their continuing effort to assess his family situation.
Dec. 19: Mixon reports to the parole office and takes a drug test.
Jan. 6: Mixon reports to the parole office and takes a drug test.
Jan. 23: Mixon’s parole agent makes a residential visit and refers Mixon to another employment service, Project Choice Employment.
Feb. 6: Mixon reports to the parole office and takes a drug test.
Feb. 18: Mixon’s parole agent makes a residential visit but cannot locate him.
Feb. 24: Mixon’s parole agent makes another residential visit but Mixon cannot be located. The agent talks with his mother.
Feb. 26: After another residential visit, the agent still cannot locate Mixon.
Feb. 27: The parole agent prepares a parolee-at-large report and a warrant is issued for Mixon’s arrest. The state Board of Parole Hearings suspends Mixon’s parole effective Feb. 19, the day after his parole officer first failed to find him. The case is referred to the corrections department’s Fugitive Apprehension Team.
March 6: The Fugitive Apprehension Team and members of the Oakland Police Department visit three Oakland addresses, including Mixon’s mother’s home, his address of record. The following week, they distribute a bulletin to the Oakland Police Department. The case is also referred to the U.S. Marshals Service to check on reports that Mixon might have been in the Auburn, Wash., area. They are unable to locate him.
March 21: Mixon is pulled over by Oakland motorcycle officers for a traffic violation shortly after 1 p.m. Authorities said he began shooting at the officers, killing Sgt. Mark Dunakin, 40, and fatally wounding Officer John Hege, 41. After trying to hide in a nearby apartment building where his sister lives, Mixon kills Oakland SWAT sergeants Ervin Romans, 43, and Daniel Sakai, 35, before he is shot and killed by police.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/24/local/me-oakland-paroleside24
April 15, 2009
Defense attorneys for two White men accused of a modern-day lynching in the tiny, racially vexed town of Paris, Texas, say that the case against their clients is weak and that the jury will acquit at trial in July.
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Wow. Anti knows what the jury ruled a month before the trial took place.
JJ-Max–
Wow, stunning detail.
Except where’s the leftist motivation?
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CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 3:00 pm | Permalink
April 15, 2009
Defense attorneys for two White men accused of a modern-day lynching in the tiny, racially vexed town of Paris, Texas, say that the case against their clients is weak and that the jury will acquit at trial in July.
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Wow. Anti knows what the jury ruled a month before the trial took place.
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Wow. Capn ignores the posts and urls that state the charges were dismissed.
Wow. Anti knows what the jury ruled a month before the trial took place.
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I know this because it took place in early June, dumbass.
See Reg’s Link
Dang, Regular does too . . .
Let’s see . . . when was October of 2008 again . . . was is a quarter or a half century ago?
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Hate to bring this up since I am a proponent of looking forward while some dwell in the past, but how long ago was the Carr brothers’ racial attack and murders?
And of course, to top Willy Loman, Mixon never had a chance – claim liberals – because he was black.
The fact that he was a 26-year old career criminal who spent six years in prison for armed robbery before spending another 9 months for parole violations before being a serial rapist and then four-time cop killer amount to insignificant details – and I of course must be a hardened racist for even bringing them up to begin with.
We find the classic liberal story line: Lovelle Mixon as victim of racist white societal oppression, finally lashing out as a hero and dying in a blaze of glory in a statement against that oppression.
This is nothing new – which is why I tie this right to the Obama camp which buys this brand of bullsiht hook, line, and sinker.
http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/03/28/the-outrage-over-oakland-cop-killer-in-larger-context/
Okay, I was wrong about the Texas dragging case. That link didn’t show up when I googled it.
Nobody seems to be responsible for Mr. McClellan’s death.
I guess that’s why they call it “white wash.”
Carr Bros. have nothing to do with this.
They went to the apartment complex to rob somebody else and just saw an opportunity.
Were they part of the Black Panthers or something?
I don’t think so . . .
Nobody seems to be responsible for Mr. McClellan’s death.
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A gravel truck drive admitted he may have hit the man.
Maybe it wasn’t racial but a crime of aggregate.
Capn’A you are nothing more than a divisive race hustler.
driver
March 26, 2009
Kill and be killed: Police murders in Oakland
Black community control of the police
The problem is much deeper and requires far more substantial reforms. It is actually an institutional problem requiring the removal from Black communities of the whole police force as currently organized to be replaced by a re-constituted police force democratically controlled by the Black community.
The FLN and ANC examples demonstrate that oppressed communities can successfully police themselves if given the resources and authority. It is not a fanciful, idealistic notion, therefore, to suggest that Black communities develop the democratic structures to control and direct the police.
http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/kill-and-be-killed-police-murders-in-oakland/
(Black Racists/Supremacists)
Oh, Capn goes along with the “Mixon was a victim of the White Folk” crowd.
Mixon was a victim.
Right.
Capn posted:
“1. Tort reform.
Basically, what the CONs want is for free marketeers like personal injury lawyers and their clients to be controlled by government so they either can’t win against big corporations or the damages they win will be so small that it won’t really hurt much.”
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Since I’m the one that brought up tort reform, I can only assume this was aimed at me. So why don’t you explain to me why it would be such a terrible thing for the cost of doing business as a doctor/hospital to go down, thereby making their services more affordable to the masses? Is it somehow more appropriate to your liberal sensitivities to have a system where people make their livings or even become some of those evil rich people you hate, through frivolous lawsuits? Would it be so terrible to allow a court to expect the complainant to pay for the cost of those frivolous lawsuits? Why would it be so terrible to allow a patient, who trusts their doctor, to enter into a freely consentual hold harmless agreement, in exchange for less expensive services? By making this illegal, as well as not allowing small bus/self-employeds to band together illegal, which side exactly is that “government’s controlling”? Of course, that doesn’t include how they subsidize govt fees to docs/hosp, by not allowing auto insurance companies to negotiate discounts for services..they’re mandated by law to pay full retail. So govts controlling what again? Can you name a person that respects the “work” of ambulance chasing leeches like Pistonik? Instead of talking points, why don’t you throw out actual arguments?
If the lawsuits are really frivolous, then the plantiffs would be fined for bringing them.
When people die because big corporations don’t give a damn except for profits, that’s not frivolous.
OUTRAGE: Radical Black Oakland Protestors March to Support Cop Killer Mixon Against Four Murdered Cop “Terrorists”
By Debbie Schlussel
You know the four Oakland police officers who were murdered by Lovelle Mixon over the weekend?
Well, apparently, according to a mob of Mixon supporters from the largely Black neighborhood where he gunned down the cops, these men who were just doing their job–and got brutally murdered for it–are “terrorists” and this Mixon creep is a hero.
The protest was organized by the Oakland branch of the Uhuru Movement, whose flyers for the march declared, “Stop Police Terror.” Many marchers wore T-shirts featuring Mixon’s photo, including a woman identified by march organizers as Mixon’s mother. The woman declined to comment and gave her name only as Athena.
Lolo Darnell, one of Mixon’s cousins at the demonstration, said, “He needs sympathy too. If he’s a criminal, everybody’s a criminal.”
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2009/03/outrage_radical.html
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CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
Carr Bros. have nothing to do with this.
They went to the apartment complex to rob somebody else and just saw an opportunity.
Were they part of the Black Panthers or something?
I don’t think so . . .
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What about the ancient history crap you keep spouting? Matthew Shepard, the black guy dragged behind the truck etc…. The Carr’s racially motivated crimes were certainly just as bad as those. The only reason that I brought it up was to demonstrate your hypocrisy.
Dozens march for Mixon, against police
(03-25) 20:36 PDT Oakland — About 60 people marched and rallied in Oakland on Wednesday to condemn the police and honor Lovelle Mixon, who was killed by Oakland police after he fatally shot four officers Saturday.
“OPD you can’t hide – we charge you with genocide,” chanted the demonstrators as they marched along MacArthur Boulevard, near the intersection with 74th Avenue where Mixon, 26, a fugitive parolee, gunned down two motorcycle officers who had pulled him over in a traffic stop. He killed two more officers who tried to capture him where he was hiding in his sister’s apartment nearby.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/BADD16N9VP.DTL
If I were the Tiller family, I would most definitely sue O’Reilly for inflammatory speech inciting Roeder to commit murder.
I think a strong case could be made. That’s why O’Reilly gave his panicked “explanation” a while back . . .
CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
If the lawsuits are really frivolous, then the plantiffs would be fined for bringing them.
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Frivolous is not a legal term.
The only reason that I brought it up was to demonstrate your hypocrisy.
And you failed.
Mixon, the Left Wing Extremist.
All you Radicals are responsibile for Mixon’s hate crime murders!
And Capn, please don’t insult the intelligence of everyone by maintaining the Carr Bros’ crimes were not racially motivated. Even if they started out as a robbery, it quickly became something else. If they had found black folk in the house do you really think the same thing happens?
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CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink
The only reason that I brought it up was to demonstrate your hypocrisy.
And you failed.
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The Capn already knows he’s a hypocrite. I men he flies to Europe on luxurious vacations, while BlueJay and his son struggle to make ends meet and suffering at the hands of the ‘man.’
Surely, with the Capn profound belief in a common pocketbook, he can support BlueJay out of his over-sized wallet, instead of taking vanity trips to Europe.
And once again, personally Capn, I think we should quit looking backwards or else we are going to miss the oncoming bus.
But, I doubt you will because that’s your whole game.
I went to the Google and searched “oakland cop shoots man,” thinking I’d find the recent video of an Oakland cop shooting that guy at the BART station.
Turns out there was another Oakland cop who shot another alleged perp back in January after the kid had been handcuffed and was lying prone on the ground.
Now, I’m not gonna defend Mixon.
But it sounds as if the Oakland cops are a renegade bunch.
Heh, my vacations to Europe are about as far from luxurious as you can get.
We go “peace corp” . . . but so what, I earn money and I spend it. BlueJay and I have no problems.
I do have a problem with a guy who gets a gov’t pension who claims that other people in the same situation don’t deserve what you have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTQt7ElqqnA
Are RepubliCONs in Ohio racists?
You decide . . .
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CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 3:48 pm | Permalink
Heh, my vacations to Europe are about as far from luxurious as you can get.
We go “peace corp” . . . but so what, I earn money and I spend it. BlueJay and I have no problems.
I do have a problem with a guy who gets a gov’t pension who claims that other people in the same situation don’t deserve what you have.
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No worries Capn, I’ve seen most all of Europe on the government’s dime and since you said peace corp, evidently you do as well.
Thanks for the paid vacations…
I love this site
The incident – which gained national attention when it was captured on videotape and distributed on YouTube – had prompted the government to sue the men, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring would-be voters with the weapon, racial slurs and military-style uniforms.
Career lawyers pursued the case for months, including obtaining an affidavit from a prominent 1960s civil rights activist who witnessed the confrontation and described it as “the most blatant form of voter intimidation” that he had seen, even during the voting rights crisis in Mississippi a half-century ago.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/29/career-lawyers-overruled-on-voting-case/?feat=home_cube_position1
CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 3:50 pm | Permalink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTQt7ElqqnA
Are RepubliCONs in Ohio racists?
You decide .
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The commentary later in the video: Coming out of his ‘mouf’ (sic) lmao!
yeah Capn, you’re on a roll today…roflmao
“Black Washed”
Mr. Bull said the “clear purpose” of what the Panthers were doing was to “intimidate voters with whom they did not agree.” He also said he overheard one of the men tell a white poll watcher: “You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker.”
Old white men, struggling to maintain their dominance in American politics and society.
It would be sad if it were not so laughable.
Your time has passed, old white men, it’s a whole new world these days.
WSClark,
I would guess most of the LIBs on this board could be considered, “old white men.”
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WSClark
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:01 pm | Permalink
Old white men, struggling to maintain their dominance in American politics and society.
It would be sad if it were not so laughable.
Your time has passed, old white men, it’s a whole new world these days.
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Join the crowd, ancient one – you’re an old white man too. Your opinion no longer matters according to your own description of ‘old white men.’
Rest in peace.
Regular–
I’m not in the “peace corp.” It’s a term to indicate a super-budget traveller, but since you haven’t left your house since 1987, it doesn’t surprise me that you aren’t familiar with it.
Also, when we go, we stay part of the time with actual Europeans. That’s what happens when you “value diversity,” you start to mingle with actual people who are actually different from you.
You also got to know the locals. The ones who say, “Hey, GI, you want go boom-boom?”
Also, when we go, we stay part of the time with actual Europeans.
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Well who the hell else would you stay with in FREAKING Europe?
“Join the crowd, ancient one – you’re an old white man too.”
Actually, I am an old man, multi-cultural on BOTH side of my family, Jewish on BOTH sides, NA on BOTH sides, AA on one side, with multiple mixes on BOTH sides.
So, what’s yer point?
AA on one side
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The side that houses your liver?
CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:06 pm | Permalink
Regular–
I’m not in the “peace corp.” It’s a term to indicate a super-budget traveller, but since you haven’t left your house since 1987, it doesn’t surprise me that you aren’t familiar with it.
Also, when we go, we stay part of the time with actual Europeans. That’s what happens when you “value diversity,” you start to mingle with actual people who are actually different from you.
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I lived in Europe for eight years buckwheat, I’m quite familiar with it. Lived in nice houses there with German, Turkish and English neighbors all around me on the ‘economy.’
Considering it’s “Regular” –
He probably didn’t last ’til the second “boom.”
“ANTI” –
“I would guess most of the LIBs on this board could be considered, “old white men.”
I always suspected “okobserver” was “GMC70″ in drag.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:21 pm | Permalink
Considering it’s “Regular” –
He probably didn’t last ’til the second “boom.”
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Prostitution is legal in Germany. I used to live down the street about six blocks from a six story ‘bordello.’
Germans don’t say ‘boom boom.’ That was a racist remark the Capn made about orientals.
That was a racist remark the Capn made about orientals.
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Heh heh…
Speaking of racism –
Look at this “joke” image sent out by a Tennessee Repupic Party official:
http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/presidentobabma.jpg
Capn writes:
“If the lawsuits are really frivolous, then the plantiffs would be fined for bringing them.
When people die because big corporations don’t give a damn except for profits, that’s not frivolous.”
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Since in your mind, there’s SOOOOOOO many deaths associated with doctor/hosptial malfesance, why don’t you open your local Yellow Pages and tell me how many “Personal Injury” lawyers you see vs “Personal Fatality” lawyers. Don’t forget the back cover…it’s ALWAYS an injury lawyer. Or maybe you can provide link to all these fines getting handed out for frivolous lawsuits. My ex-monster-in-law filed no less than 15 “personal injury” suits while I was married to its daughter…never once fined…made a nice living for herself settling out of court on every scam possible.
“Old white men, struggling to maintain their dominance in American politics and society.”
Take a close look in the mirror libs. Start with the number of old white men democrats in the senate.
Then go to the US House of Representatives.
The results of your looking in the mirror will be reflected in the deer in the headlights look on your face.
Dumb Sheats. Even brain tumored, rednosed, woman killer Kennedy is an old white man.
Stop drinking so much koolaid boys.
TN Republics – not so funny without their hoods.
Monkeyhawk
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:33 pm | Permalink
Speaking of racism –
Look at this “joke” image sent out by a Tennessee Repupic Party official:
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From what I read, the guy was a school board member sending out emails. Nothing was written about him being a republican party official.
The Blog primate joins the Capn in distributing lies.
Liberal media is feeding left wing cult.
cult: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion; or a black president.
Post a link to the story, Monkeyhawk.
Squirm away, “Regular” –
According to Tennessee media reports, the image has been tracked back to a Tennessee State Senator’s office.
It’s gone viral ever since.
But keep defending it.
It’ll make people forget about last weekend’s “Michelle Obama is a gorilla” “joke” from a South Carolina Repubic Party official.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
Squirm away, “Regular” –
According to Tennessee media reports, the image has been tracked back to a Tennessee State Senator’s office.
It’s gone viral ever since.
But keep defending it.
It’ll make people forget about last weekend’s “Michelle Obama is a gorilla” “joke” from a South Carolina Repubic Party official.
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Link?
It’ll make people forget about last weekend’s “Michelle Obama is a gorilla” “joke” from a South Carolina Repubic Party official.
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I’d like to read that one too!
Of course if there is a conservative media, then you must admit there is a liberal media.
The lib media is not balanced. It is not reporting anything negative on Obama. I’m not sure if it’s a matter of choice by lib reporters, or directive.
Regardless, the truth is hard to come by on the Obama white house. Nothing can be published unless it is put in a positive spin. For instance, not a word in the media on Obama personally firing a US Inpector General in violation of federal law last week. Seems the IG was investigating an Obama bro…… The story is having a hard time surfacing. The truth is being withheld from the sheep. But this case may lead to impeachment – “if” a fair press reports it. It’s on the open thread.
American_Way
Posted June 15, 2009 at 5:12 pm
The lib media is not balanced. It is not reporting anything negative on Obama. I’m not sure if it’s a matter of choice by lib reporters, or directive.
Let’s see, as Barack Hussein Obama moves the United States towards a Welfare State, let’s examine the progress.
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See the highlighted bold for the O’Bama Reich. :D
- Take over of financial institutions. Check!
- Take over of major corporations. Check!
- Total control of political activity(A.C.O.R.N.). Check!
- Removal of a threat (second amendment). Check!
- Vilification of Christianity and other Judeo-based faith. Check!
- Make all dependent on the state (rationed Health Care). Check!
- Control the salary and education of the people (The Salary Czar and Socially-based education Czars). Check!
- Vilification of conservative speech or movement. Check!
- Weakening of the military and transfer of power to a police state (Miranda act for terrorists and downsizing the military role). Check!
- Creation of an intellectually elite(a pseudo class). Check!
- Control of public airways and media (Fair Mascarade Act) Check!
- Deceiving the people with flowery speech without substance. Check!
- Judicial activism, eliminating the voice of the people. Check!
- Appointment of unqualified power mongers to run government (O’Bama administration). Check!
- Transfer of private funds to States and Federal government in order to control the people via deceptive regulation. Check!
CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
If the lawsuits are really frivolous, then the plantiffs would be fined for bringing them.
When people die because big corporations don’t give a damn except for profits, that’s not frivolous.
Gee CapnAmerica, did you miss Obama’s speech to doctors today? He now supports placing limits on lawsuits. You better get with the program!
Regular
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
Link?
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http://www.wkrn.com/global/story.asp?s=10535945
ANTI
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
I’d like to read that one too!
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http://wonkette.com/409162/your-latest-racist-anti-obama-gop-facebook-outrage
Thanks Daniel,
quote from the story:
legislative aid of Republican Senator Diane Black of Gallatin…
I dunno, if it were me, I would have fired the individual. Goofy and racist graphics have no place on government computers.
Is “religiositicized” violence like that completed by Scott Roeder really different from regular hate crimes? Inquiring minds would like to know…
CapnAmerica
Posted June 15, 2009 at 4:06 pm | Permalink
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Also, when we go, we stay part of the time with actual Europeans.
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Even on vacation, capn wants to benefit from someone else’s labor.
Solly,
“Even on vacation, capn wants to benefit from someone else’s labor.”
And aren’t you benefiting from someone else’s (even some libs’) labor every time you post on this blog? Maybe you should consider paying for the privilege?
Steven,
Religious violence is no different than racist violence or violence against immigrants or violence against women. They are all crimes against humanity.
By using a publicly exposed tool? Kind of a stretch isn’t it?
Think that might be a little different than freeloading in someone’s house?
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